assassination

[balmy condor]

yeah

?

[tropic ocean]

are multi target sims really inaccurate?

[keen tree]

those outlaw guys can sim for dungeons it seems

[tropic ocean]

im pretty +- on 4 target dummies as my sim is

[balmy condor]

you boutta tell me that a dungeon slice sim works for both a teeming shrine, and a tyrannical workshop?

[tropic ocean]

:^)

[vast forum]

no1 can sim accurately for dungeons

[strange python]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[balmy condor]

or that a +10 tyran waycrest is the same as a +20 fortified waycrest

like

dungeons are different, affixes are different, the level people run keys at are different, pack sizes/pulls are different

how do you expect to sim that all accurately

[floral shoal]

yeah I know, just a funny observation

[tropic ocean]

u can just sim st

and sim 5-6 mobs 40s-1min

[green basalt]

just go Outlaw in m+

[tropic ocean]

and combine the 2 to balance ur character

outlaw has the same inaccuracy problem

as every other class in the game

😄

its not tied to spec

[balmy condor]

simming dungeons just doesn't work

for anyone or anything

[tropic ocean]

unless you have some artifical intelligence that can adapt

where u enter ur group comp and their logs or so

just cant 😄

[balmy condor]

little do you know, I'm actually programming an AI that finds the optimal route, pulls, and sims your character perfectly for any given dungeon, without knowing your comp, or how much the tank chain pulls

100% accurate btw

[shut garnet]

how do u parse hivemind, do u wait with the vanish in opener for the ravager to spawn?

[green basalt]

i do it easy for me just slap crit/vers gear on and go to town with in m+

[balmy condor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aNMz6jx7h8pV3LdA#fight=29&type=damage-done&source=11

one of the highest hivemind parses running an exped build

[green basalt]

damn yo

but he got like perfect gear too

[balmy condor]

yeah but that's how you parse

[green basalt]

yeah damn

little jelly

[tropic ocean]

yeah hivemind pretty good for ss build

u dont need to pad to do good dps

[balmy condor]

he still has a 465 plume

[tropic ocean]

but actually hard boss dps value

[balmy condor]

not perfect gear

kek

[loud light]

also key to parsing: literally never target darters (except he threw out one rupture)

[green basalt]

xD

[tropic ocean]

u dont need to dps darters as melee

if uh ave high raid dps

[balmy condor]

the darter probably got dragged into melee

[tropic ocean]

in current meta u basically dont play any adds/mechanics

cuz u just full push boss

which favors sin rogue dps greatly

[green basalt]

is it even worth using the exang build without mythic versions of the head and shoulders?

[tropic ocean]

for hivemind

very likely yea

but just sim 2 target cleave

[balmy condor]

exsang is probably worth using with normal raid azerite as long as you have expeds

like

the ilvl is great

but exsang/bleed doesn't take a lot to do better

[green basalt]

dont have that many expeds like 1 rank 3 and a few rank 2s

[balmy condor]

30-35% haste is actually free

super ez

[green basalt]

saving up to buy a shitload

[vestal river]

In 5 mask visions is it better to run poison bomb or hidden blades ?

[balmy condor]

probably poison bomb

I just run CT at this point

no clue what I did at the start

[tropic ocean]

yeah ct if u are geared for sure

[balmy condor]

brain don't work gud

I've repressed memories from early 8.3

don't wanna talk about it XD

[tropic ocean]

but even without its good for clearing

and cba switching talents all the time

im so lazy i dont even switch to echoing anymore for trash

[balmy condor]

yeah its a pain

just play BM hunter

or havoc

they don't change anything ;-)

[green basalt]

in hindsight i should rolled dh

[balmy condor]

you don't want that

they're forced to run IS on every fight

not a life worth living imo

[green basalt]

in m+ tho

td and slappers

[tropic ocean]

i think rogue is actually one of the stronget vision classes

insane cleave, melt all bosses

[balmy condor]

In m+ you should be happy to be a rogue

[tropic ocean]

skip all mobs

[green basalt]

my dh friends top 3 abilitys is slappers td and iris

[shut garnet]

skipping mobs just loses you mementos

[tropic ocean]

yeah

rip 200mementos

[balmy condor]

but if you're just trying to clear

[tropic ocean]

but finishign in 15min

[shut garnet]

why would u wanna do that when u can pull the whole area, pop defensives, eyebeam+iris and its over in 5 mins

[tropic ocean]

😄

[shut garnet]

[tropic ocean]

eyebeam as rogue

🤔

[shut garnet]

obviously talking about rogue

[tropic ocean]

and you cant pull whole arena as well

[shut garnet]

[balmy condor]

some big ???? goin on here

Dj is typing...

[tropic ocean]

but good memes

[balmy condor]

oh boy

the whole gang's here

[distant lava]

You just sunfire everything and PP kills everything

[shut garnet]

[distant lava]

Hello

[balmy condor]

o/

[green basalt]

i asked if i could play rogue on illgy, my raidleader just laught at me why take a rogue when you can take a 130k dps arms warrior

😂

[tropic ocean]

think for ilgy rogue is even better than arms

[patent topaz]

according to logs, arms does 20% more dam on average

on ilgy

[loud light]

purely in boss damage arms absolutely crushes everyone on that fight

[mighty elm]

I guess his guild is going for world first

[green basalt]

haha

more like to many melees

[mighty elm]

dispel strat or na?

[green basalt]

no dispel

we had like 3 wars and 1 dh rest range

[mighty elm]

[green basalt]

i didnt mind it my thicc druid was equally geared

and got a few pieces for guardian swell

[sterile quartz]

hey guys....torment 460 with 50 crit socket or harlan dice 475 withou socket? .... simulation siming better for torment but i see lot of top M+ assas don´t using torment

and going vita + loaded or glas

[balmy condor]

for m+? torment is okay for aoe

[pallid solar]

What haste percentage should I aim for with sang build?

[balmy condor]

but worse for ST

as high as possible

people be running around with 80% haste in town

spyglass is especially good in m+

because if you fok onto a target with the debuff, it gains stacks as long as the fok hits it

[pallid solar]

Thanks

[static river]

a question for log experts, is there a video or guide that really goes detailed into how to use logs to get better especially when comparing yourself to another person outperforming you? I get the basics of using wipe fest, wowanalyser and the basics of seeing who had more casts but really i don't know what to do with most of this data and how to translate it into actionable feedback. It's easy to say maintain more bleed uptime or read the guide but how do you apply it all and actually improve?

[balmy condor]

95% of it is knowing what to look for

like if you know what the opener should be, you can easily see if you're doing it properly

you can see how many envens you're getting into a TB for example

there's a lot of smaller things

but none of them are specifically difficult or big brain

[strange python]

how would you rate that interface

[balmy condor]

why's it so off centered

[strange python]

qq

ppsh

[balmy condor]

but idk

seems fine

[strange python]

D:

[balmy condor]

interfaces are personal preference

as long as you have the information you need

kinda big whatever

[urban spire]

is trying to rupture all targets the correct playstyle in M+ or am I doing it horrifically wrong

[balmy condor]

no

you bleed till 4

so gar gar gar is 3 off of the opener

and then 1 rupture

and you're chillin

no more ruptures needed

[strange python]

aoe spamm

qwq

[balmy condor]

fok->CT is good

fok->enven is good

vendetta into pump

also good

[urban spire]

okay so you garrote 3 targets and rupture one and then just do FoK and enven?

[strange python]

Whispyr do you use an Lucid dreams weakaura?

[balmy condor]

gar x3 CT fok-> do stuff

and no

what the hell is that

[strange python]

XD

it showes when it procs 😛

[normal crater]

In heavy aoe it’s usually a bigger spa gain to just spam 3 FoK’s then 1 env to refresh Elaborate Planning.

[balmy condor]

I don't even use lucid minor

[normal crater]

Dps*

[urban spire]

okay, thanks

[balmy condor]

in heavy aoe you would use a CT to get elaborate planning

not evenom

but okay

[normal crater]

True

[urban spire]

I have 20-22% haste so is it still worth running CT?

[balmy condor]

for m+ yes

for single target, B I G no

[pale tiger]

what do you use instead of lucid whispyr?

[balmy condor]

in raids I use CLF iris blood breath

[pale tiger]

m+?

[balmy condor]

in m+ I use lucid

[pale tiger]

ah for sure

[urban spire]

thanks guys!

[balmy condor]

np

[warm parcel]

damage meter not big enough

-15% dps

[balmy condor]

oh man I didn't even see that stuff cause the alpha is so low

why is there a second player/target frame up there

at least we know that his GPU is running at 72c

nice and cold

[ruby ibex]

I got a 475 Logic Loop of Recursion from my chest; if I farmed +15's for a Logic Loop of Division @465, would that wind up being better?

[balmy condor]

sim it

[ruby ibex]

Oh I keep forgetting gear compare exists

[strange python]

can someone tell me where i find the spell ID

[balmy condor]

you can look it up on wowhead

or if you have it enabled in elvui you can hover over the tooltips

[strange python]

thanks

[mental trout]

so how bad is the bleed build for M+ it actually sims higher then my current M+ sims... 213k for 6 boss 10 mins. whats every ones M+ sims looking like?

[balmy condor]

6 boss 10 min?

that's definitely one way to sim

[mental trout]

i was reading thats more accurate then the dungeon slice

[balmy condor]

6 boss 10 min is basically dungeon slice

except worse

in every imaginable way

there's nothing inherently wrong with dungeon slice though

but I mean, if you're able to do 213k in a m+

maybe I'm being an idiot

[rancid bobcat]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dPhmUnDEZp8yfHVeuVNN8S hmm do i bother

[balmy condor]

120 but you go to 60corruption

hmmmm

[rancid bobcat]

i havent raised my cloak this week yet

this setup is only good for this week

[balmy condor]

uh huh

good I guess is relative

120dps might as well be a missed crit

[rancid bobcat]

its just cause the bracers dont have a socket

[balmy condor]

yeah

[rancid bobcat]

let's see

[balmy condor]

but are you gonna socket it?

[rancid bobcat]

probably not

if anything im waiting to socket raid bracers once exp2 comes out again

so this week it's 10+15

next is 10+20 or 15+15

[balmy condor]

yeah

[rancid bobcat]

week after stays the same

i do need to make a socket 15 piece though

[mental trout]

whispyr you mind posting a link to your average M+ set up?

[balmy condor]

not on my pc atm

I'll link you one when I get back

[mental trout]

right on, thanks!

[feral creek]

Im just socket my pvp gear for the next 2 weeks😂

[sweet rampart]

-_- my helm i rolled for was a 3k dps loss

[balmy condor]

unlucky

[sweet rampart]

465 > 480 = 3k loss 😦

[balmy condor]

let me guess

you usually run CT in raids?

[sweet rampart]

yup

[balmy condor]

and you rolled for a helm

and got irontide

and you put SS/TTK on it

and now its 3k down

[sweet rampart]

Cowl of Fluid Mach, put echoing blades and SS on it

[balmy condor]

oh

well there's your poblem

NP kinda bad I guess

but It should be fine

EB will sim like trash though for obvious reasons (doesn't fan in single target ever)

[sweet rampart]

i figured a 15 ilvl upgrade would still outweigh, and i didn't lose a SS, just lost a HoD for a EB

[balmy condor]

yeah

that's a strict downgrade

HoD is really good

EB is actually a 0dps trait in single target

[sweet rampart]

yeah Gibbering maw to a 480 cowl 😦

[balmy condor]

if you simmed NP instead of EB you'd probably get close

[sweet rampart]

hmmm

[balmy condor]

but its not going to be quite enough to be an upgrade

[sweet rampart]

maybe i will try it

[balmy condor]

I use cowl in m+

because EB/SS

pretty gud

[sweet rampart]

think it might still be worth using over my gibbering?

but if it is ST go with gibbering?

[balmy condor]

sim it

465 gibbering and 480 cowl with NP/SS usually comes out roughly equal

[sweet rampart]

nope, still a 300 dps downgrade 😦

[rotund mural]

what major essence would i want for visions?

[sweet rampart]

what a bummer

[warm parcel]

depends on how fast you wanna go

reap is nice for adds

bote kills bosses in 2 sec

[sweet rampart]

Think it is still worth rolling on a helm to get a 480 that is better than my 465 gibbering?

[balmy condor]

that's what droptimizer is for

[normal olive]

i use beam in visions, i just pull the whole area and kill the small ones with 1 beam

[balmy condor]

beam

[normal olive]

[sweet rampart]

oh rip, i didn't know dropitemizer worked on azerite rolls lol

[forest vigil]

how worthwhile is it to just gush stack

[balmy condor]

no

don't

XD

[woeful minnow]

it isn't 😦

[forest vigil]

sad. sauce.

[silent crescent]

Fun in pvp though

[woeful minnow]

I'd like to see someone with full 485/475 sim a full gushing set out of curiosity though, just to see how close/far it is from full expedient

[balmy condor]

that can be arranged

[forest vigil]

😮

[balmy condor]

I think I have raz's sim floating around

[forest vigil]

would be very interesting to see that

[balmy condor]

rip no I don't lmao

its all quick sims

unlucky

nairda it is

gimme a second, I'm setting it up

[mental trout]

what is the current max cloak resistance? guild member told me 98 this week + 10 from essence. That correct?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[quaint vortex]

Fun in pvp though
@silent crescent yeah I'm running 7 right now (trying to get 9 before reset) and the damage difference from 2 - 7 was massive lol

[balmy condor]

oops

dungeon slice

hold on

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cajbCVdcYhnJUVNDMmBRjU

there

[forest vigil]

compared to?

[balmy condor]

that's full GW

same gear/sockets/enchants

just with GW on every slot

the equipped is his (or her) normal raid set

[forest vigil]

OH I see

I'm big dumb

wow, big sad to see

[balmy condor]

I hope they don't mind me just hijacking a sim like that

[quaint vortex]

I wonder if it would sim better with TB + bomb + crit build

[sour wraith]

You'd have to change talents and essences around though

[balmy condor]

maybe

yeah

I'll do that

[quaint vortex]

and probably CLF

ahh already has CLF

[balmy condor]

yuck

okay this is getting involved now

give me a couple minutes

I'll talent sim

[forest vigil]

even without expedient is the bleed build still >> typical toxic blade?

[balmy condor]

no

you'll need some exped to make bleed better

[forest vigil]

uhg I need to just stick outlaw

[quaint vortex]

if we're going all in on this @balmy condor

double dose will probably sim better than SS

[balmy condor]

that can also be aranged

just give me a second

[quaint vortex]

probably DD + 1 twist the knife

[balmy condor]

yeah

they have all the gear in bag

not a problem

[quaint vortex]

and if they have a second crit ring over the haste ring it is probably better as well

my crummy crit build knowledge is useful for once LOL

[balmy condor]

hm

okay I think I have to do this in 2 sets

[quaint vortex]

oh vigor is likely better than DS with the lower haste as well

[balmy condor]

lot of iterations happening here

[quaint vortex]

probably 😦

[balmy condor]

unless

wait

we have the knowledge on the equipped

no combinations needed for exped stuff

that makes this easier

I'll throw in some NP traits in there for sake of complete-ness

[quaint vortex]

i'd slot the 475 spyglass into the sim as well - might come up over vita

[balmy condor]

yeah

locking some talent combos atm

to get some more iterations

aighty 15.3mil iterations

[sweet rampart]

@balmy condor how trust worthy is the dungeon beta sim? It is saying that my 480 helm with EB would be 1700 dps lower than just using gibbering maw (460)

[balmy condor]

poggers

dungeon slice is fine

[quaint vortex]

15.3m? ez pz

[balmy condor]

just take it with a grain of salt

cause it doesn't sim giga aoe for example

its all smaller-ish pulls

3-5

I think there's a 6 mob pull in there as well

I would run the 480 with SS/EB though

over the gibbering with HoD

oh no

medium precision with 0/1 combo

not looking good

[sweet rampart]

damnit, i demand a refund on my helm, i shoulda rolled shoulders EFF

[balmy condor]

I messed this up somehow

its not seeing both weapons

sigh

I'm trash

[woeful minnow]

lmao

appreciate the effort, was curious but not willing to put in the work

[normal olive]

Hello trash i'm dad

[balmy condor]

dad?

[normal olive]

[balmy condor]

i thought you and mom were working things out

[normal olive]

where is pepoleave when you need it

[balmy condor]

gotchu

@quaint vortex do I spike the sims with crit vs haste gems

I'm tempted to just hit replace all gems with crit

eh

its fine

[quaint vortex]

I think crit gems will probably outweigh

[balmy condor]

I'll toss them in

[quaint vortex]

because I don't think GW has any haste scaling, but it does scale with crit

[balmy condor]

aight

here we go again

[quaint vortex]

and such a large dmg % is going to come from the GW now over other things

[shy dust]

GW is effected by haste

[balmy condor]

yeah

GW is hasted

[quaint vortex]

just tendies that have no haste scaling?

[balmy condor]

but we're making a janky full GW build

[arctic walrus]

affected

wtf rae

[shy dust]

[balmy condor]

the Effect of GW is affected by haste

[shy dust]

English isn’t my first language plz no flame

[balmy condor]

go back to school nurd

mother fk

did I screw it up again

aighty round 3

[languid magnet]

hey. my sims are "only" at around 85k. i see many other sim at 100k+ easy. either im messing something up, or simming with wrong settings. Im ilvl 477 but dont have optimal corruptions (saving up for next expidient iii)

[balmy condor]

link the sim

also if you link anything other than a top gear sim right now vel's gonna ban you

[languid magnet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xwUgoBbBnoFGrAgnk7uBCF

[balmy condor]

excellent

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uafeAV9sBrwuvrXZvLY8iU

Here, y'all can look at that

okay, first thing is your cloak is behind, and you only have 2 sockets

you also don't have mecha rings

[quaint vortex]

hey we got it up 5k 🙂

[balmy condor]

and you're running CT with a TTK helm

hold on

I fix this sim

[normal olive]

The moment when the scuffed GW build sims higher then your main build

[quaint vortex]

is it saying it wants exsang + bomb over TB?

[balmy condor]

yeah apparently so

[quaint vortex]

seems like an odd pairing to me but I won't question the math

[balmy condor]

@languid magnet I'll DM you, running like 5 sims atm

seriallos probably throttling me at this point

[languid magnet]

alright cool. I know i dont have much haste stuff yet, and atm im saving up for sockets and expidient corruptions

[quaint vortex]

thanks for simming the jank GW build btw, I was curious

[balmy condor]

no problemo

[quaint vortex]

esp because I'll be stuck running GW on a few pieces I don't have duplicates of

[ebon patio]

Afternoon everyone. Quick question regarding traits. How's clockwork heart doing against blightborne infusion?

[balmy condor]

clockworks looking pretty hot on the short fights I think

[ebon patio]

So, short fights would be anything less or equal than 3 min right ?

[balmy condor]

ye

[ebon patio]

Obviously, I will sim it anyway 🤣

thanks!

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/good-evil-starwars-emporerpalpatine-darkside-gif-4624104

let the sim flow through you

[ebon patio]

lol

[next solar]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/45rhknonqugeFXG1uXpVDf until expedient, ugh

[balmy condor]

yikes IS4 TA4

[next solar]

YUP

saving up for expedients then we gucci

my outlaw ST sims higher lmao

[balmy condor]

yeah

1 week

then the influx of "how much exped???" will come

[tribal obsidian]

Clockwork has been simmimg higher for me for awhile

[balmy condor]

my body is ready

[tribal obsidian]

@ebon patio clock work sims higher for me even on 4 min

[next solar]

this is juist sad lmao https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/onv7uYDfWYzUeLmX6hv5tm

[balmy condor]

seems fine to me

[next solar]

its so low in comparison lmao

[quaint vortex]

looks pretty good to me

you're missing 3 haste pieces as well I think

[tribal obsidian]

Try replace void with bote

If you have

[next solar]

oh woops, i forgot to add sockets on the othe rpiecces i wanted to sim, i have 2 sockets

[tribal obsidian]

Void is usually paired with bote major i think

Since you get the minor anyway

[balmy condor]

yep

[grave trail]

whats usually a good trinket to combo with vita cant get plumage

[balmy condor]

galecallers, vers pvp trinket

coral works if you're super desperate

[grave trail]

yeah its what ive been using

[vital raptor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iU4oiut6TADFTzXyiQyhim

think you genaraly want plumage since galecallers you will have to stand still

[balmy condor]

plumage is more cough V E R S A T I L E cough

but galecallers is definitely super strong

[umbral rapids]

Lmao

[vital raptor]

i mean vers increases damage and helps you take hits

[balmy condor]

yeah but you run it for the damage

[vital raptor]

and doesnt the pvp trinket also increase vers

[balmy condor]

pvp trinket is identical to plumage

[quiet finch]

yo whispyr

quick question

[balmy condor]

yo myro

quick answer

[vital raptor]

i mean i have a 475 galecaller trinket but i just dont like the fact you have to stand still

[quiet finch]

idk if you remember, i asked u if i should hold vanish for empowered garrote w/ 2nd exsang

[balmy condor]

if you didn't have a 475 plume with a socket I'd tell you that it would outsim

[quiet finch]

you said id miss on a 4th exsang

[balmy condor]

yuh

don't remember it

[quiet finch]

im jw, am i supposed to exsang on CD then

[balmy condor]

but sounds like what I would say

[quiet finch]

bc usually i do dots/vendetta/exsang

[vital raptor]

let me sim it

[balmy condor]

yeah on CD

[quiet finch]

then exsang 45 sec later

then wait for vendetta to come off CD and exsang with it

am i supposed to exsang, on CD, then wait 15 sec for 4th exsang and use it with vendetta

[balmy condor]

opener, exsang at 50ish, then at around 90ish, then line everything up and slam at 135

[quiet finch]

hmm ok

[balmy condor]

if you do it properly you'll have the big bops at around 135-140ish

[quiet finch]

ive only gotten 1 exsang between a vendeti

[balmy condor]

you fit 2 and delay vendetta

cause you're waiting for the vendetta

[quiet finch]

yeah

kk so ive been doin that wrong

[vital raptor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/F9w36DdWYu3e7QT2ZfB1A

1k dps increase if i socket it

[quiet finch]

bc i just remembered and i was confused on how i was missin that exsang

[balmy condor]

imagine finding a whole % for free

[vital raptor]

i just dont like that you have to stand still

[balmy condor]

it's honestly not that bad

you can stand still on a considerable amount of fights

[brazen garden]

doesn't exsang snapshot your haste anyway

so its not a huge loss as long as you exsang in it

[balmy condor]

yeah

correct

but he'll lose a couple hundred if he just exsangs and dips

[sick oyster]

is exang not affected if i press gcb after exang? thought it updates dynamicall

[balmy condor]

not haste

exsang actually removes the bleeds and replaces them with new bleeds that have current haste

[sick oyster]

oh so it uses the haste you have the moment u press the button

[balmy condor]

yeah

[sick oyster]

ok thx

[balmy condor]

if you think about it, it's kinda janky to update dynamically

cause you would then have to adjust the tick rates during the ticks

and that can get pretty janky

[sick oyster]

it makes moving in and out less punishing but you also just need to be in it for the time pressing exang

ye also that would be weird if i think about it

[balmy condor]

imagine being 0.2 sec away from a tick, you lose a buff, and now your tick is delayed

[sick oyster]

the updating every single tick part

yes i can see that

[balmy condor]

and then you have to re-calculate from current time

cause you can't update based on garrote application

[quiet finch]

hmmm im only doing ~80 on dummy w/o flask/food/pot

80k

can i tell you my rotation and see what im doin wrong?

[balmy condor]

if you calculate haste changes from garrote application, you get into even weirder territory where ticks farther into the garrote start to have more time dilation than the first ones

sure

[quiet finch]

so opener

i do garrote, rupture, garrote, crimson tempest

vendetta, mut mut 6p garrote

exsang, bote

and maintain dots

[arctic walrus]

yeah that's pretty horrible

[quiet finch]

ok good

what do i change

[balmy condor]

guide in the pins

do that opener

[arctic walrus]

there's openers in the guide, and you can also do a quick sim and it will show you an opener rotation

[quiet finch]

kk

thats what my sim did

weird

[balmy condor]

def not

there's no world where the APL would pull crimson tempest ahead of vendetta in opener

[quiet finch]

hmm

opener on the guide by raz?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[quiet finch]

kk lemme check

[vital raptor]

i just made a macro for my opener so i don screw it up

[drifting cloud]

🤣

[quiet finch]

wait, a macro?

wat

[vital raptor]

a cast sequence macro

[fleet whale]

Why would you need a cast sequence macro

[vital raptor]

because i dont want to screw up the opener?

[balmy condor]

is it really that hard?

[umbral rapids]

At first it can be tbh

Slammed dummies for a an hour or so

What even is a cast sequence macro anyway

[vital raptor]

getting usto it is and if there's a way to do it flawless why no use the macro

[umbral rapids]

Oh

[quiet finch]

white

[wet ruin]

your opener changes based on crits, why would you want a cast sequence

[balmy condor]

^

[wet ruin]

just learn it the proper way

[quiet finch]

kk so i figured where my opener was bad

[vital raptor]

meh i do the rotation the same no matter what my crit is at im not going for world number 1 parse anyways

[quiet finch]

for the 2nd exsang, do i force a crimson tempest or just go with garrote and rupture if i cant get 6pt crimson tempest up

[umbral rapids]

Not with that attitude

The guide says to not force it iirc

[quiet finch]

sorry im still learning how to read

[balmy condor]

lmao

[umbral rapids]

😅

[quiet finch]

ill get there one day

[balmy condor]

yeah don't force CT

but always gar->6cp rup->exsang

[umbral rapids]

Even if not empowered gar ?

[balmy condor]

yes

always

[umbral rapids]

Dw myro you’re probably 100 times the sin rogue i am lol

Okok

[quiet finch]

o that was another thing

is it ever worth rupturing at 5 points

[balmy condor]

yes

with DS finish at 5

[quiet finch]

ds?

[balmy condor]

but if you're gonna exsang, 6cp rup

[umbral rapids]

Deeper stratagem

if you’re gonna exsang it’s worth to waste a cp ?

[quiet finch]

and i highly doubt that sym lol

my assa parses are in the gutter

[umbral rapids]

Well... i played assa for like 3 hours

[quiet finch]

i dont have that much on ya then LMAO

[umbral rapids]

Fair game then

[balmy condor]

wdym waste a cp

[quiet finch]

but the 5 cp point rupture is only a problem when i was for exsang'd rupture to fall off

[umbral rapids]

From mutilate ?

[quiet finch]

and my mut doesnt crit me

to 3 cp

so empowered rupture falls, and im only at 5 pts

[umbral rapids]

Wish I could help

[balmy condor]

I'm confused

if the mut after the vendetta lands you at 5

you CT

[mental fog]

Sup guys

Guys, I managed to get the Logic Loop of Recursion ring, does it serve the same way as the Logic Loop of Division? or do I need to continue farming junkyard

[balmy condor]

its slightly worse

but it'll do

[rancid bobcat]

does the proc track abilities used while it's on icd or do you have to use the 3 abilites after the icd comes up

[balmy condor]

you have to use 3 abilities I'm pretty sure

so you lose uptime compared to the division ring

[rancid bobcat]

i mean

[mighty elm]

Yes after

[rancid bobcat]

so the latter

big rip

[arctic walrus]

The spells that proc it are also fucked. Kick tricks vial shroud stealth and mut sometimes and sometimes doesn’t work

[balmy condor]

detection spam?

is it back boys

[quiet finch]

my dumbass ran galecaller on m xan

feelsbad

[arctic walrus]

I can’t remember the specifics of it but it’s been a problem since the rings introduction over a year ago and my lone ticket didn’t get gms attention

[balmy condor]

you're not important enough to them vel

but its okay

you're important to me

[tidal gorge]

I mean, I can proc the ring by casting deadly poison, crippling poison, and stealth so practically anything must proc it

[steep plover]

Anyone have a tricks of the trade macro

To target tank

Especially for bolstering week 😭😭

[balmy condor]

I just use mouseover macro

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,help,nodead][@target] Tricks of the Trade

[unreal imp]

#showtooltip
/cast [@focus] Tricks of the Trade [@mouseover,help] Tricks of the Trade; Tricks of the Trade

Focus macro, you can change focus to tank's name if you want if you need focus for something else

[balmy condor]

or that

[unreal imp]

also does it on mouseover

[balmy condor]

yeah

probably just better

[quaint vortex]

if the tank is party lead you can use this:
#showtooltip tricks of the trade
/cast [@party1] tricks of the trade

[unreal imp]

yeah that's also pretty cute

[steep plover]

Sweet boys

I feel like i struggle to mouse over people i moght just set tank as focus in dungeons and use the focus macro

Tyyy

[unreal imp]

that's typically what I do, the mouseover is just a backup condition mostly. Or if you're using the tricks pvp talent in outlaw in a BG or something

[steep plover]

Right sweet thanksss

Do u just cast it before a big pack and then spam fok

[unreal imp]

mostly been playing outlaw right now, but typically you just cast before big pulls yeah, then pump out aoe

[balmy condor]

you cast it before most packs

I cast before every boss and every decent pack

[unreal imp]

yeah really most packs I guess, the CD is only 30 seconds

[balmy condor]

almost on CD tbh

[steep plover]

Whats the cd of it i forgot, im so shit with using utility and shit i rarley use them

Oh sweet

Bro i realised

I rarley use feint aswell

[balmy condor]

[steep plover]

I need to burn it into muscle nemory

Memory

Do u just feint all the time or just use it when u know a big aoe is about to hit

[balmy condor]

whenever I know there's big damage comin

[steep plover]

Sweet i need ti remember that i legit just instinctively use evasion and vial like a dumb cunt

[balmy condor]

evasion is probably the least used defensive

if you're taking melee hits its already doomed

[quaint vortex]

im guessing you can probably use it on things like deadshot in TD

[balmy condor]

deadshot is cloak I'm pretty sure

[quaint vortex]

i'm just assuming that if my DH can blade dance it it would make sense that i could evasion it

[steep plover]

Nah i think its evasion

I remember using it cause we had 2 people leave and just 3 of us doing it

And i pressed it and i fojnd out it worked

[balmy condor]

I always pop them both together on that fight

so I have both covered

[steep plover]

Damn so evasion isnt used that much?

[balmy condor]

not really

[steep plover]

I spam it fuck no wonser i die all the time

Legit i have ti be so careful im such a squishy cunt

I only know how to attack LOL

Can u givr me a brief run down on using defensives/utilities if u have time

Or if theres a guide for it

[quaint vortex]

can probably evasion tenderize in WCM as well

handcuff and the crab pinch in TD?

[minor spade]

i use evade for sharknado in fh and for any barrel throuh in kr

[quaint vortex]

barrel through is really good to know actually

[minor spade]

yup

if he targets you just run away and evade it

[quaint vortex]

tbh if you want a really comprehensive list of everything that you can evade, checking a DH discord would probably be the best idea

because there is probably a pretty extensive list of every mechanic that can be blade danced

[quasi kestrel]

do you guys think infinite stars t3 is worth

[balmy condor]

infinite stars is never worth

don't buy it

[quasi kestrel]

okie

[autumn night]

is it true that we should use 1 gushing with expedient build ?

[balmy condor]

no

with current resistances, full stacking exped

[autumn night]

k

[balmy condor]

later on with more res, honed mind 3 or racing pulse 3

depending on char

[steep plover]

Fuck me dead

Logic loop of synergy 475 out of the chest

[balmy condor]

I'd rather not

[steep plover]

With expedient 2

Thats rude

It had a fucking socket too

Kill me

Do youse insta scrap any azerite pieces from vendor or?

[balmy condor]

any that I don't use

[steep plover]

Or just keep atleast 1

Ok sweet

Im 1.4k from being abke to roll another 480 piece and i have 2 480s that i dont use

[night summit]

how much of a diff is SS/haste build compared to Twisted Append/Crit build? I see most people doing SS

[balmy condor]

its a couple thousand for sure

highly depends on your gear level

it'll get worse and worse as your gear gets better

[night summit]

im 472 but with 3 appendage just from drops

[balmy condor]

^ the poison build gets worse

[night summit]

idk whether to just get rid of all corruptions and just spend a ton on expediate 3

[balmy condor]

that's usually the strat

[night summit]

mhmm okay

[steel ridge]

Logic loop of synergy 475 out of the chest
@steep plover synergy? Which one is that?

[steep plover]

Heal one

😭😭

Why does that even drop for dps specs

[steel ridge]

How is that in the loot table of rogue?

[steep plover]

Ikr

[balmy condor]

its still a ring

and its still usable

[steel ridge]

rip

[steep plover]

I wouldve been so happy if it was division or overclockinh

Socket, expedient on it already, 475

[balmy condor]

yeah

kinda unlucky

[steep plover]

Now watch me roll a shit azerite piece

If i dont ever come back its because i had enough

So long

[main forge]

wow... I can see why the lmecha ring set is so powerful... i swear I have the recharging buff all the time

[balmy condor]

division has 98% uptime

[steep plover]

Its free haste

[normal olive]

Imagine getting the rings in the first place

[south horizon]

i've been trying to get the overclocking ring for a while, to no avail, but managed to get a 465 socketed nature dmg proc ring. is that one far behind haste typically?

[balmy condor]

its definitely behind

you can sim it

gear compare btw

the hidden tech

never before seen

[normal olive]

just sim everything manually

[balmy condor]

go to wowhead, find the item id

and build the bonus id's by hand

through simcraft documentation

[normal olive]

is there any diffrence to simming yourself and using raidbots?

[balmy condor]

no

because those are the same thing

[normal olive]

that's boring

[steep plover]

IM 16 RESIDUUM SHORT

[balmy condor]

island weekly

just rng roll the resid mission

[steep plover]

Fuck

[normal olive]

How exactly does gushing wounds work? does FoK proc it on everything or just your target?

[balmy condor]

target

[normal olive]

ah okay

[fallow otter]

finger1=",id=169157,bonus_id=6534/1522/4786/6514/6476/6470,context=16,enchant_id=6109,gem_id=168639"
finger2=",id=169159,bonus_id=6536/1522/4786/6514/6476/6470,context=16,enchant_id=6109,gem_id=168639"

[balmy condor]

sick

[steep plover]

So i have heroic carapace chest, raden head and ilgy/nzoth shoulders for raid
And i need a head with ss+eb for m+ for the full 3ss 3eb build what should i roll

[balmy condor]

we doing simcraft ID chains now

[fallow otter]

That's my 465 socket expedient mecha combo if you want to use

[balmy condor]

lets do it

[steep plover]

Either head or shoulders ?

[balmy condor]

knees and toes

knees and toes

nah but fr, no idea, that's up to you, the content you do, and the life you wanna live

rolling for heads are mega yucky tho

[steep plover]

Really

Is it heaps unlucky

Ive actually never rolled for head

[balmy condor]

you don't have high chances

[normal olive]

there is only one head with ss and eb? oof it's the shoulders all over again

[balmy condor]

I mean you could roll an irontide

that's not bad for m+

cucks you in a fake raid piece though

that's sorta unlucky

[steep plover]

Im using heroic raden head for m+ and raid rip

[balmy condor]

heroic raden doesn't have much of an upgrade till mythic raden

[normal olive]

i use my raid stuff for m+ i just swap out trinkets

[balmy condor]

so you're good for that

at least in raids

[steep plover]

Ttk vs hod in m+

Is there a winner or are they pretty close

[balmy condor]

TTK is considered better

HoD works

[steep plover]

Amazing

Same shoulders that i rolled

Last week

This isnt my week

[gritty timber]

hey guys for raid what azerite traits should I aim for?

[balmy condor]

depends how geared you are

later on you're looking for 3x SS

preferably with HoD/BBI/clock

as secondaries

earlier on you're looking for 2x DD 1x TTK

most likely

[gritty timber]

475ish but working on getting sin set together

[balmy condor]

how much severe you got

guessing you have an outlaw set

[gritty timber]

1 missed it last rotation cause of moving house :/

[balmy condor]

oof

so there's sorta 3 builds

[gritty timber]

spewing man haha

[balmy condor]

there's a crit poison, the normal haste poison, and bleed

from worst to best in that order

[gritty timber]

ooo ok obviously crit wants severe and the other 2 want expededients?

[balmy condor]

correct

sin needs a ton of sets for different content

so some people just double dip

and run the crit version in raids

[gritty timber]

i have 3 expedients i bought on rotation to slowly prep

[balmy condor]

yeah

then I would suggest just getting SS traits

and skipping the rest

there's a good chance that exsang will outsim poison come next week

[gritty timber]

ok sweet i have them just dont have a set with HoD or the others atm :/ ok sweet im assuming i will need more haste for that tho?

[balmy condor]

not a ton tbh

exsang usually gets there at like 30-35%

but if you have the SS set I've seen people sim higher on exsang at like 25%

its honestly not that bad

[gritty timber]

o sweet without them on im sitting at 25% atm

[balmy condor]

ye

ez pz

[gritty timber]

blood major, vision, lucid and breath minors right?

[balmy condor]

blood iris

[steel ridge]

focusing iris for haste

[balmy condor]

lucid breath

but CLF lucid blood breath is good too

CLF actually will beat blood a lot of the time

[gritty timber]

ok ill have to pick it up then

[solar pendant]

is it better to go sin or outlaw for mthic cara?

[balmy condor]

eventually you'll get more haste and then switch PB for CT, and drop lucid for formless/blood

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/24#boss=2337&class=Rogue

you can look it up

a lot of sin

[solar pendant]

i know i can see that

but thats people clearing already

not on prog

[balmy condor]

if you need the single target, play sin

if you need the aoe, play aoe sin, or outlaw

I can't tell you which is better cause I don't know

[gritty timber]

ok sweet do we use the haste ring set?

[balmy condor]

1. your gear
2. your comp
3. your strats
4. the problems in your prog
5. how good each player in that comp is

yeah, behind/haste from the mecha rings

omega good

[solar pendant]

feel like im falling behind once adds come out

even with crimson tempest

[gritty timber]

sweet will farm them out, any other pieces of gear i should look for?

[balmy condor]

but is that your problem

is the question

plumage is good

trinket wise

[gritty timber]

will keep trying to get it then haha using vita and 450 glad badge atm

[balmy condor]

is the glad badge vers on use

I don't remember the name

[gritty timber]

vers passive agi on use

[balmy condor]

ah

yeah that's not too great

[gritty timber]

ahh bugger lol better off just using a 475 socket humming then you recon?

[balmy condor]

that's a question for sims

[gritty timber]

yea im about to sim just wanted to make sure i was simming right traits/essences first basically

[balmy condor]

It probably will be

[gritty timber]

hoping so lol its just rough raiding as outlaw for most fights

[balmy condor]

I'll run some sims for you if you want

[gritty timber]

umm yea if you like it would help 🙂

[balmy condor]

I'm just sitting in rocket league freeplay atm cause I tilted out of the 1v1 grind

[gritty timber]

ahh fair enough lol im just trying to get this sorted to try it in raid tonight

havent been able to get daggers to drop then got 2 last week finally

[lethal arrow]

idk if this is the right channel but does anyone have any tips for DPS upkeep on wrathion and skitra etc with lengthy periods of no dpsing?

[balmy condor]

Feint the gale blast, cloak the intermission

Cheese that shit

[main forge]

Don

[lethal arrow]

u mean cloak the cataclysm part?

[balmy condor]

Skitra you just kinda have to sit there and wait till the tanks figure their shit out

[main forge]

don't get picked to be a runner >_>

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[lethal arrow]

yah im not a runner

[balmy condor]

So feint the gale blast

And then when he flies away

And your raid starts running away

You say “fuck you guys im in there”

[lethal arrow]

does cloak really last long enough for the whole lavapool phase

[balmy condor]

And you follow the bitch

You have to take the first ticks

[lethal arrow]

ahh I see

[balmy condor]

Crimson, maybe a healthstone

Feint if you have it for some reason

And then you cloak till the end

The fire spreads as well, so you can stay out of it for a couple seconds with some happy feet

[lethal arrow]

so basically wait til its like full size,take as many ticks as i feel comfortable taking then cloak

ok

[balmy condor]

Ye

And tell your priest to stop being a pussy and gripping you out

That parts important

[lethal arrow]

lol we dont have any healing priests as far as i know

im just trying to figure this stuff out for when expedient rolls back so i can get some better logs

[balmy condor]

Looking at vods is the best way tbh

Watch some crazy guy do reclears

They’ll pull out all the stops

[lethal arrow]

that sounds like a good idea, i'll prob look through some

my guilds just feels kind of like not the kind of guild I'm trying to be in atm so I wanted to get some good logs so I can leave

[balmy condor]

[lethal arrow]

happens

[balmy condor]

Also VoP minor on wrathion

[lethal arrow]

i will keep that in mind

[balmy condor]

Looking up logs also works great

Just gotta go to like page 4 or 5

So you aren’t staring at like 20 second wrathion kills

A couple pages in, you’ll find like farm kills that are just fast enough to have a bunch of cheese

But not fast enough to be ridiculous stupid

It’s a good place tbh

[lethal arrow]

yah ive been peaking logs,thats what lead to the question

cuz i noticed some ppl were consistently upkeeping 100k dps

i guess u have to be a little lucky with rng and pray u dont have incineration procs so u dont have to leave/burn cloak on stacks

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[patent topaz]

My 85k on wrathion is a 97. I didnt really cheese anything. I even got tail swiped after shadowstep because the tank turned it the same way

[balmy condor]

I got a top 500 on wrathion earlier today

That 85k ain’t getting you a 97 these days

[lethal arrow]

yah my simmed dps rn is 82k with 2 pieces of expedient, i can buy 5-6 more next week

[balmy condor]

Oh that’s mega rip

[drifting cloud]

uhm

[lethal arrow]

yah i kinda started 8.3 late

[drifting cloud]

85k is a 97 on wrath literally this week

[patent topaz]

that 85 was last week bruh

[balmy condor]

Oh I might’ve looked at heroic by accident

Lul

Carry on

Some guy linked me a crazy 1 tank thingy

[lethal arrow]

how much of a dps jump would you wager is 5 exped 3s and 1 exped 2

[balmy condor]

You can sim that

[lethal arrow]

brb lol

hmm so it simmed around 93k

dunno how good that is tho 🤔

[balmy condor]

Seems kinda okay

It’s nothing great

But it’s decent

Like a solid optimized heroic raider

[lethal arrow]

not good enough i suppose, im only 4/12 so i guess that plays a part

[balmy condor]

First couple bosses don’t drop shit tbh

[lethal arrow]

yah it feels like shit rn lol

skitra bracers the only good thing

[balmy condor]

Wrathion dagger I guess and Skitra daggers

Yeah

Not dagger

Bracer

[novel venture]

how big is weapon ilvl?

[balmy condor]

It’s a decent chunk

[lethal arrow]

478 in bag , 476 equipped

[balmy condor]

Not omg ilvl so good wow amazing

[novel venture]

cause I dont see myself getting to carapace this tier in my guild 😛

[umbral rapids]

ur a decent chunk

[balmy condor]

Ooh symfony

[umbral rapids]

Hi

[lethal arrow]

my guild has trouble reclearing shadhar

[balmy condor]

U scoundrel take me out to dinner first

Damn

[lethal arrow]

thats why im trying to leave

[umbral rapids]

Scoundrel

[amber quail]

Question: how Much haste do you have b4 expedient?

[umbral rapids]

Manuel

[balmy condor]

I know about 2, maybe 3 Manuel’s

Helps that I’m german

[lethal arrow]

prob around 20-25%

[umbral rapids]

I don’t know any tbh

[amber quail]

Much 😭

[umbral rapids]

😂

[balmy condor]

I don’t know how much I have before exped

[umbral rapids]

Thanks for this

[balmy condor]

Me exped

Me smash