assassination

[viral trail]

Which kinda sucks tbh

Because tbh mythic raiding is not skill based

[wet ruin]

did pvp only ever get you anywhere before?

[sullen pagoda]

eh some people still enjoy it but ye corruptions and pvp are yikes atm

[viral trail]

U just need people who have a brain

And my guild has no brain 😂

[wet ruin]

saying raiding is not skill based is kinda yikes

[viral trail]

Pvp takes so much more skill

Like 10 times more

[wet ruin]

one does not exclude the other

[viral trail]

I can make 0 mistakes all night and wipe all night on one boss

That’s what annoys me about mythic

[umbral rapids]

Uhh

It’s more group skill based

[strange python]

can a high level DM me his Damage Detail pls thanks! C: ( after an dungeon or so )

[umbral rapids]

Idk

[viral trail]

Yes

[wet ruin]

well, you are contradicting yourself

[viral trail]

Group skill

[umbral rapids]

It’s not fair comparing the 2 tbh

[wet ruin]

why do you wipe if it takes no skill

[umbral rapids]

They’re way too different

[north crow]

anyone know if they are removing toxic blade for assas in SL?

[viral trail]

Well I don’t know why people still stand in purple stuff on doggy in mythic

[umbral rapids]

You still need a bunch of decently skilled people

[viral trail]

😂

[strange python]

you can look that up

[wet ruin]

cuz they don't have the awareness or 'skill'or whatever you wanna call it to move out

[strange python]

at wowhead i guess

[viral trail]

Yes

[umbral rapids]

[shell summit]

You can play arena all night long and win zero matches because you cant 1v2

[north crow]

yer one article says iots staying and it reduces cd for shiv

and other says its removed

[strange python]

SL rogue is going to be very interesting with that +50% combo points Abilitie QWQ ❤️

HASTE *

buff

[umbral rapids]

Man you’d lose 2s all day with me 😂

[sullen pagoda]

its basically different games

pvp and pve

[dark crag]

Snd literally does nothing for assa besides more autohit dmg and poison procs

[north crow]

i wonder how ambush will be w blindside

pikaboo recons its trash for some reason in pvp

[sullen pagoda]

we just need to wait for all the balancing to go out

for now we can just talk about maybe gameplay

[north crow]

yer true

what spec u think will be superior for pvp i know its hard to tell rn but from what we see

i wonder if assas will still be viable

[dark crag]

Ambush procs is a nice little addition to get away from the dull, muti muti finisher

[sullen pagoda]

ngl i didnt watch much about shadowlands changes

i prefer to be surprised and discover shit when it actually gets released and im playing it through

[dark crag]

Blizz didn't either

[sullen pagoda]

[north crow]

assas is same except , SnD , toxic blade replaced w shiv, and ambush

[sullen pagoda]

true

[north crow]

i think sub now has 1 dance charge, rupture , poisons and find weakness if passive now not talent choice

and another talent coming out not revealed yet

[dark crag]

Outlaw and sub both miss a talent and no notes in the last builds at all

[clever niche]

My main worry is juggling so many maintenence buffs and debuffs it will feel awful when you screw up

[crimson palm]

how can you screw up maintaining buffs

[dark crag]

For assa for sure

[north crow]

u really only needa keep up rupt and garrote , and snd

[dark crag]

Sub is like the same given old nb and outlaw replaced rtb with snd

[crimson palm]

there's nothing easier in the game and there's almost no punishment if you fuck it up

[sullen pagoda]

I mean its not gonna be more than atm

[north crow]

but snd is like 30 sec's for 5 combo pts

[sullen pagoda]

imagine snd = crimson tempest

so its 3 things u keep up

now and then

[north crow]

noone takes tempest in pvp terms and i rarely see it in pvp unless big aoe but u usually run outlaw for aoe

[sullen pagoda]

i was referring to pve

i dont really play pvp except for echoes sometimes

[north crow]

yer true

[crimson palm]

ill bet snd will end up not being a dps increase

[north crow]

it wont

i feel sub is only class that will need it most

assas is meh for snd

and outlaw will cauz of replacement

[sullen pagoda]

if some envenom damage centered build becomes meta thats possibility

why waste finisher on snd when u can envenom

[north crow]

exactly

[crimson palm]

i dont see anything else working out early on

[north crow]

or ambush

like the attack speed is great but it isnt the greatest increase for burst

for dot ye

[broken sierra]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[keen tree]

i want to work out my stat priority for doing m+. I will sim when i've geared up a bit but in general should i be looking for crit/mastery gear or what?

i mean i have crap gear - but i just sim'd anyway for dungeon slice and raidbots is telling me to go with haste crit

[pale tiger]

crit is the most important, and it depends who you ask but vers and mastery are both good

and dont use dungeon slice it only works for outlaw

[steel ridge]

is that the reason it sims higher for my sin gear gear than outlaw?

[keen tree]

ok thanks @pale tiger

[pale tiger]

wait what?

[steel ridge]

dungeonslice sims higher on my assassination build than on my (somewhat crappy) outlaw build

figured it must be broken or something

[pale tiger]

yeah its basically broke, it was made for outlaw and it works well for outlaw but basically only them

also ret paladins oddly enough

but not assa

[keen tree]

i've been reading up more and since i pug m+ almost exclusively i think outlaw might be what im forced to play really. Most pug tanks don't give a damn about letting the rogue get back in to stealth before pulling again in my experience.

what are other peoples experiences with this?

[steel ridge]

my experience exactly

[pale tiger]

yeah it sucks sometimes but i'd rather deal with that than play outlaw

wont be as much of a problem if you find a group to run with and/or start running higher keys with better players

[charred mango]

\

vc\

cat walked across my keyboard

[keen tree]

hahah really? that's funny 🙂

[charred mango]

yep lol i just wanted to read waht ppl are saying about SL and she called me out for lurking lol

[keen tree]

i just noticed an interesting stat. While it is true that at 20 and higher keys the number of outlaw rogues is a lot more than sin rogues, at 15 and higher keys the two specs are quite evenly matched

[royal lantern]

they do more or less the same dmg, and on really high keys, aka 21+ dmg isnt really the problem anymore for good groups, you need utility

and the fact that outlaw has gouge+utility/deffensive vanish alone makes it better for those keys

thats pretty much it tbh

[dreamy falcon]

Hey guys, just a quick question, is there a base crit I should meet as assassination?

[shrewd night]

No

[crimson palm]

[shrewd night]

@crimson palm

[mighty elm]

[solemn meadow]

[tribal obsidian]

Did someone say 34

[balmy condor]

@pale tiger @steel ridge @keen tree dungeonslice is fine for sin. It’s not broken, and works as intended. But you should take it with a grain of salt as simming m+ is very sketchy given the amount of variability in keys

Also @keen tree don’t bother simming stat weights, that’s a huge waste of time

They change constantly and don’t really give you any information

[jaunty surge]

So I was looking at the top sin players and they pretty much all stack SS in raid. But I'm super confused because I did the math, and it does 15k every 2 minutes assuming single target, with an extra 15k per target, up to 3 targets. Twist the knife adds 3.5k, so I'd only have to hit envenom 5 times to beat that? Nothing personal adds 36k, but only works in single target, and double dose adds 4k so I only need 4 mutilates that trigger twice to beat it?

Does it scale well with ilvl/haste or something?

[steel ridge]

it does scale with haste, alot.

[balmy condor]

Yeah

It scales really hard with a lot of things

[jaunty surge]

Ah ok

Ty!

[balmy condor]

Usually looking at tool tips doesn’t help much

[jaunty surge]

What breakpoint should I look for before I stack it

[balmy condor]

That’s why we simulate

[jaunty surge]

makes sense

[steel ridge]

just get ALL of the haste you can

[balmy condor]

You’ll see exsang get better around 30-35% haste

That’s usually when people start to see it

[jaunty surge]

Ok, tu

ty*

[pale tiger]

maybe broken isn't the right word but it really doesn't seem like an accurate representation of an entire M+ run for assa

much less so than it did for outlaw when i was still playing outlaw at least

although obviously a ws is going to look super different from a motherload

[balmy condor]

It’s accurate the same way outlaw is accurate

The pulls and sizes are all the same

It’s got smaller-ish pulls compared to some dungeons, so it’s not giga aoe

But for what it sims, it’s accurate

[steel ridge]

naturally sin scales better on smaller fights

[edgy ginkgo]

hey guys, is the vita trinket simming wronmg or something? how is it possible that the vita trinkets sims worse than torment in ST? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hh6DrBp9DG5mGGU51ZebRa

[keen tree]

@jaunty surge how do you find the top SIN players in raider.io?

[balmy condor]

Simming multi target and dungeon scenarios is always going to be somewhat inaccurate

[edgy ginkgo]

or do you have soime tips to optimize?

[jaunty surge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/24#class=Rogue&spec=Assassination

I look at the top logs for each boss by spec

[keen tree]

ah logs

i was hoping to find what the top mythic plus players are wearing - but raider.io doesn't seem to offer a way to separate them out

nd im aan idiot

ignore me

i just found it

you can stack overwhelming power right?

[balmy condor]

@edgy ginkgo vita sims fine, but it doesn’t count the party wide haste buff

Yeah you can stack OP

[edgy ginkgo]

so if vita sims a few hundred dps worse i should wear it anyways?

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[edgy ginkgo]

for raid dmg?

ok ty

also in m+?

[balmy condor]

Yep

I think spyglass/torment could be arguable

[plucky shadow]

If i have to switch to an add on ilgy mythic and exsang is up. Do i just garrote 6cp rupture and then exsang? Or do i need to empower first with pandemic?

[edgy ginkgo]

yeah atrm, i wear spyglass 475+torment

[balmy condor]

You gar 6cp exsang

I think if they’re 475 and the vita is only heroic

[edgy ginkgo]

should i play spy+vita or torment+vita then?^^

vita is myth

[balmy condor]

Then i would start to think about it

Yeah then vita + something

Up to you

[crimson palm]

you dont switch to an add on ilgy mthic

[edgy ginkgo]

maybe tyrannical spyglass and torment in fortified?

[balmy condor]

Yeah I was gonna mention that too

The adds die super quick and it’s also not your job to chase them down

And really the spyglass/torment thing is gonna vary from dungeon to dungeon and affix

It’s a lot of feely craft

They’re both fine

[sinful marsh]

is shrouded suffocation build better with high haste?

with subterfuge

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Subterfuge is going to be better with more gear regardless of build though

Even without SS traits

[gleaming viper]

hi, does someone got a WA showing garrote, rupture damage on the target ?

[balmy condor]

Damage?

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[balmy condor]

You can look at those

But I’m not sure why the damage would help you

[sinful marsh]

I didnt specify - for ST

[plucky shadow]

I meant the 3 mini bosses on ilgy mythic

if you play galecallers on exsang build. Would you save exsang for 1 min trink?

[gleaming viper]

want to see the tick damage when honed mind proc for example

[balmy condor]

No

Gcb on cd

Line it up with vendetta

You can see the tick damage from the combat log

And yes @sinful marsh, single target

[sinful marsh]

thanks

[quaint vortex]

Subterfuge is going to be better with more gear regardless of build though
@balmy condor would be curious to see at which point the haste on gear makes Subterfuge better than MA - MA is still better for me with my current gear, but it's likely because I'm stuck running a crit/tendy build. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mJsokV7faQbYtavwLDVziU

[balmy condor]

That sim says subterfuge

[quaint vortex]

wow, I'm blind

[balmy condor]

[umbral rapids]

😂

[quaint vortex]

MA was simming better before and I just saw the gear changes LOL

[balmy condor]

Well this is awkward

How’s the weather

:)

[umbral rapids]

@quaint vortex right now :

[quaint vortex]

it was when I was running dice/vita but no mechagon rings

[umbral rapids]

[quaint vortex]

that's my usual mood though

[umbral rapids]

Shit

You reminded me i need the mechagon rins

Ring*

[quaint vortex]

although the interesting part is that likely reveals that dropping 4% crit and picking up a few mechagon rings shifted it from MA to Subterfuge

[balmy condor]

Yeah

You were on the edge for it apparently

[quaint vortex]

see, I just had to make myself look like an idiot for us to answer my question. it was a 5head play all along. 🙂

[balmy condor]

And I didn’t have a green name come in an tell me that I’m talking out of my ass

Win win

[quaint vortex]

there's still time for that

[balmy condor]

The subt thing is very common

I don’t think I’m in trouble :P

[keen tree]

just did my first dungeon and 31% of my dps was from garrotte!

is that normal?

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[keen tree]

cool! it was so fun

[crimson palm]

no

[balmy condor]

He doesn’t have eb

[keen tree]

yeah i have 3 ss and no eb

[balmy condor]

31% is normal

[crimson palm]

it should be 34%

[keen tree]

kk thx 🙂 really enjoyed it!

hemo lol

[balmy condor]

You right hemo

How could I have been so blind

[keen tree]

haha

really glad i stuck with sin now - i enjoyed that a lot

[balmy condor]

glad to hear it

[keen tree]

and knowing most of my dps comes from the first 3 attacks i do on each pull sort of taakes the pressure off of doing any cock ups in rotation later on

[sinful marsh]

@balmy condor one more q: should I spec to SS over heart of darkness then?

[keen tree]

i mean it feels like the class/spec will be very forgiving

[balmy condor]

for single target? sim yourself

but usually the SS is more important than the HoD

[sinful marsh]

ty

[signal ivy]

Is KR trinket or coral better for ST

[balmy condor]

sim yourself

usually KR

[odd viper]

Hey, can you explain why should i start my opener with : garrote > rupture > garrote , instead of : garrote > garrote > rupture , because i'll get 6x combo rupture from this .

[balmy condor]

a number of reasons

the biggest is that we use the 3cp rupture to get a full pandemic on the 6cp we cast later

so 3cp vs 6cp rupture in that case is actually wasting cp

but gar->rup->gar also gives us an additional tick of the empowered garrote, since you're delaying it another second

[odd viper]

thats reasonable, and also with garrote>garrote>rupture>vendetta you will use 2x mutilate to get 6x tempest instead of 1 time with garrote>rupture>garrote>vendetta>mutilate>crimson tempest. But at the same time the highest dps i can make comes from garrote>garrote>rupture>vendetta. I don't really know, maybe i am not used to opener yet

[balmy condor]

you don't CT in the opener unless you hit 5cp from the mutilate after the vendetta

so if you do gar>rup>gar>vend>mut and it lands you at 5, you would CT then, but if it lands you at 6, you rupture exsang from there

if you hit 6 and do that route, you then CT the first finisher after the exsang

its pretty min-maxy though, if you're confused or aren't comfortable with it, learn the first screenshot

[odd viper]

i read that guide you are talking about, i guess i'll have to get used to it, in case its really more sufficient to apply pandemic, and also with extra delayed second with subterfuge

[balmy condor]

the gar>rup>gar for sure

the CT janky stuff is kinda whatever

[odd viper]

one more thing : 39 % mastery is just fine or should i add more ?

[balmy condor]

depends on character

just keep simming

[bitter rose]

You ever notice how rogue is in a rough spot DPS wise but no one ever talks about it because utility?

[balmy condor]

there's no breakpoints on sin, and all of our stats are pretty good

[timid coral]

its pretty min-maxy though, if you're confused or aren't comfortable with it, learn the second option
@balmy condor I think you mean first option, going off Raz's guide... it looks like you reversed the order of the images from there

[balmy condor]

good eye

yes

discord sent images in wrong order I think

rip

I get like if you send multiple files, you want them to all load as fast as possible

but why discord doesn't queue them up like everything else will baffle me forever

[umbral rapids]

Holy shit

That’s actually so helpful thanks @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

what I do

[umbral rapids]

The explanation above for opener with exsang

It actually sims higher for me I just didn’t bother learning it yet

Do you happen to have the log for the first screenshot ?

[balmy condor]

the screenshots are the ones from raz's guide

[umbral rapids]

Gotcha thank you :)

[fervent jasper]

Noon question. Sometimes when I open with my 3 garrotes, or vnish for 6 garrotes, I tab back to an already garroted target and actually waste my subterfuge window trying to find the target I want. Im sure im not the only one who's had this issue and it feels REALLY bad to miss an empowered garrote. Any advice?

[balmy condor]

use the nameplates instead

[umbral rapids]

Yeah click the nameplate

[fervent jasper]

Click them? O.o

[balmy condor]

yeah

[fervent jasper]

guess i should probs finally switch to stacked name plates

[umbral rapids]

Plater is nice to track dots and CCs too

[balmy condor]

I think I use plater as well

[pale tiger]

kui is also really nice and takes a lot less work to get it looking good imo

but plater is mega customizable, its great

[balmy condor]

kui works too

really any nameplate addon has the functionality

[bitter rose]

I also use plater

[pale tiger]

yep even elvui nameplates aren't bad at all

[bitter rose]

And Afenar

[fervent jasper]

I use nplates

Always have. love em

[umbral rapids]

I literally just copied a plater profile

[bitter rose]

I really life Afenar as it's just a centralized hub that shows what my main CDs are and how long are left on the dots on my target

And will flash when your dot has like 5 seconds left on it.

[fervent jasper]

thats what im dealing with

[balmy condor]

oh yuck

you have a multi-target prog bar for dots?

haven't seen one of those in a long time

[fervent jasper]

@balmy condor i really just track the # of bars in AoE. like I know I need 4 of them to be energy neutral.

not so much what is ticking on what

[balmy condor]

there's easier ways to do that

[fervent jasper]

im open to suggestions

[balmy condor]

could make a weakaura to count bleeds

[fervent jasper]

isnt that what that is?

4 bars = 4 bleeds

[balmy condor]

yeah but it takes up a third of your screen

[fervent jasper]

what do you use?

[balmy condor]

I just look at the nameplates

if I'm starving on energy I know I need to put up another dot

[fervent jasper]

if youre not energy starved then youre not losing dps for not having bleeds out right?

besides CT

[balmy condor]

well yeah if you can't cast you lose dps

but 3 garrotes into a CT for basically every pack

[fervent jasper]

yeah ofc

[balmy condor]

toss a rupture up on the prio

and then go to town

[fervent jasper]

ye big FoKs

i have that 3 SS 3 EB dream

all 480

[balmy condor]

I was thinking vendetta exsang

but sure

foks are fine

[fervent jasper]

in m+

but like

[balmy condor]

yeah

[fervent jasper]

the bleeds

aside from CT and the 3 garrotes

are not for damage

theyre for energy

so if youre not energy starved you dont need to bleed

[balmy condor]

sure

correct

[fervent jasper]

this is my understanding

do you know the haste break points for the number of bleeds you need?

im running 11% haste cuz its tryan but on fort I only run 7%

[balmy condor]

like for 3 bleeds vs 4?

no idea

if you're running your raid set, 3 garrotes from stealth are more than enough

[fervent jasper]

nah i only tried that in this 23 shop earlier this week

just to experiment

i typically go the crit build

but on tyran I run vita

because Ryfie told me to

[balmy condor]

I always run vita

[fervent jasper]

otherwise I run dice/plumage

it just feelsbad imo getting a massive haste proc like that

in a high count fort dungeon

maybe im feelycrafting

but id so much rather a vers or mastery buff

like 90% of the time in those keys

[balmy condor]

definitely feelycrafting

[fervent jasper]

the haste proc on the boss is really that big that youd take vita in a fortified freehold?

[balmy condor]

I'd say so

haste is still good bleed damage too

but I'm feelycrafting too

so this aint gonna go anywhere

[strange python]

how does garrote work in the shrouded/exsang build

[bitter rose]

I feel like it says in the guide

[shut garnet]

exang in m+?

[balmy condor]

yeah why not

[shut garnet]

isnt it super garbo with 0 haste?

[balmy condor]

especially in tyran when you're not running a full EB crit stack

[shut garnet]

and plus u dont want bleeds to run out on mobs, u want them ticking for energy

ah yeah tyr fair enough

[balmy condor]

exsang is still good prio damage

so

[pale tiger]

i just like swapping one eb for a ttk if i want more prio damage

ttk + tb+ a lot of crit = really chunky envenoms

[drifting cosmos]

I know it's feelcraft but

I just can't play at low haste

It feels so bad

[pale tiger]

it definitely feels like shit on bosses

[drifting cosmos]

Even on small packs

[pale tiger]

on small packs i don't understand

[drifting cosmos]

3-5 packs I know it works

But it still feel slow

[balmy condor]

I mean on small packs you just gar 3x and you're fine

[pale tiger]

yeah you shouldnt have energy problems even on two targets

[balmy condor]

yeah

[drifting cosmos]

As in you don't wait at all and press every global?

I think it takes more than 2

[pale tiger]

no it really doesnt

just garrote and rupture both of them

[balmy condor]

yeah no

[pale tiger]

and your energy is fine

[balmy condor]

haste has nothing to do with gcd's on rogue

energy is the only thing we care about

since we're gcd capped

[shut garnet]

you shouldnt have energy issues on anything except bosses if ur playing 0 haste 3ss3eb

in m+

[balmy condor]

and in that case, bleeds basically just haste

[pale tiger]

yeah bosses definitely feels mega doodoo but if you can have 4 dots up your energy is chillin

[shut garnet]

4 dots?

[balmy condor]

4 dots

[drifting cosmos]

Well having energy issue and feel slow is 2 different concept I think

[shut garnet]

on a boss fight?

[pale tiger]

no on two targets

[shut garnet]

right, yea for sure

[balmy condor]

4 dots on 2+ targets

[drifting cosmos]

Never had much energy issue since crit passed 55 but can't stop you feel slow from time to time

[pale tiger]

we're saying 1 target = energy problems but as soon as you add an extra target your energy is fine

[drifting cosmos]

And also how many tries do ppl spent before getting that ss EB helm

I am seriously thinking about the 20k option now

[pale tiger]

most people save up for it

i just got really lucky

[balmy condor]

yeah I think ss/eb helm and goraks are the 2 people save for

[drifting cosmos]

I thought 1 in 6 shouldn't be bad

[pale tiger]

its pretty much as bad as it gets lol

im shit at math but the odds of you getting it before you spend 20k are not good

[fleet whale]

it doesn't seem bad but then you realize you roll the same garbage azerite piece three tries in a row

[balmy condor]

quick math in my head says its actually better odds on average

but yeah

if you get unlucky

that's insta rip

[fleet whale]

like some garbage underrot piece

that i always seem to get

[pale tiger]

alright if my math is correct (which it definitely might not be), it is slightly above a 50% chance that you would not get the helmet after rolling 20k worth of residuum

not by much, but definitely not great odds

so i guess you just need to ask yourself, do you feel lucky?

[fleet whale]

i think people are just sick of BFA rng

so they would just rather save up regardless of the odds

[pale tiger]

i mean i would definitely recommend rolling for both chest and shoulders if you're going for ss/eb

you have good chances on those

but yeah the helm is just not good

[steep plover]

It doesnt really matter about what the specific piece is as long as it has the traits right? Like im using raiment of the blighted tribe chest

[balmy condor]

yeah

[steep plover]

It has ss, eb , whirl

[balmy condor]

that's fine

[steep plover]

Ye sweet

Cause i always hear about certain pieces so im not sure if theyre special, but i get some are like goraks and shit

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean there's secondaries

so

there's technically some pieces that are better

[main forge]

would be nice if the dungeons just dropped the stuff even if it was uber rare

[balmy condor]

yeah

that's part of the problem imo

cause even if there's bis, its basically unobtainable

[main forge]

The weekly limit on titan residuum is another issue

each mythic dungeon should reward like 200 or so

also scrapping gear to get more currency is a little >_>

[fleet whale]

imagine if we were still using the bfa launch system of getting dungeon azerite

you know, when you had a chance of getting an azerite piece from the weekly chest, and no vendor? lol

[balmy condor]

yeah

[main forge]

oh damn that's some bs

[fleet whale]

it was really bad

[balmy condor]

idk who the hell thought that was a good idea

[main forge]

Ion probably

[fleet whale]

every bfa patch

has basically been blizz fixing a major flaw in bfa lol

[main forge]

I like the Shadowlands thought process on it... and the weekly chest has choices for you to pick

[fleet whale]

yeah, it's about time for that

[main forge]

the only other thing I could ask for... is to slowly upgrade your gear...

[fleet whale]

i did get lucky though in early bfa and got the freehold hat from the chest

[main forge]

Like if i have a 455 plummage... it would be nice to spend some sort of points every week to get it up by 5 ilvls or so

[fleet whale]

well, with forging gone

they could bring that mop system back

[bitter rose]

You know what I say? Let gear be gear.

[fleet whale]

that was mop

[bitter rose]

We don't need systems for gear, we really don't

[main forge]

its boring otherwise though...

[fleet whale]

i think blizz has seemingly solved that in SL though

no warforging/titanforging

no corruption

[main forge]

I like and hate corruption

[drifting cloud]

yeah lets change 15 year old loot system just because you find it boring

👌

[fleet whale]

and i think they are talking about bringing back tier later on

[drifting cloud]

if you want better items do the content where they drop

[main forge]

Nah, it really is boring... if you get BiS... what else do you have to do... right now, its difficult to get BiS

[fleet whale]

that's ok imo

i know wow is an mmo but it's ok to max out on gear imo

[drifting cloud]

difficult? its the easiest its been to get bis

in like 3 xpacs

[main forge]

Wrath was the easiest it was

Cata was fairly easy too

[fleet whale]

Gearing is absurdly easy in BFA and in Legion

[main forge]

MoP wasn't exactly hard either... everything was pretty much theorycrafted to death

[bitter rose]

I can buy BiS shoulders for my hunter

literally just buy them with TR

[main forge]

Yeah, but that requires work

they aren't free

[bitter rose]

Agreed, I honestly think that's a good system

having a gear vendor in general

[fleet whale]

it's similar to the badge system

[main forge]

Wrath had that... you got xx tokens per heroic dungeon run and then got to spend them on a vendor

[bitter rose]

also gear is a bit annoying in terms of stats and ilvl

[main forge]

Then again... I play with people that want reforging back

[bitter rose]

you get to 120 and you're at ilvl 200

[fleet whale]

reforging would be a welcome return for me

[bitter rose]

those people sound like idiots

[fleet whale]

but it's not a game changer either way

[bitter rose]

oh wait reforging

yeah that's fine

[fleet whale]

it would help with rings that's for sure

[bitter rose]

I thought you meant forging like war, and titan, etc.

[drifting cloud]

yeah and that vendor gear wasnt up to par with raiding gear

it was just a nice system that most people liked

but it didnt gear you to bis

[main forge]

nah... reforging like taking 50 versa and turning it into 50 crit

[fleet whale]

it was to serve both as a catch up

and to relieve you of bad rng

[bitter rose]

cause azerite is a trash system

[main forge]

it was just sloppy as it meant that you had to reforge your entire set every time you got a new piece of gear

[fleet whale]

i didn't mind that really

[drifting cloud]

it was pointless

because addoms did it for you

[fleet whale]

idk, i liked it

[drifting cloud]

its basically an archaic version of simming

[bitter rose]

I'd take it over azerite

[drifting cloud]

yeah it was whatever, but blizzard has said it they felt it was bad for casual players

[bitter rose]

no choice is better than the illusion of a choice

[fleet whale]

"casual player" is too vague and too general of a term to base decisions on imo

but that is a discussion for another time

[bitter rose]

people that blindly follow guides

[fiery zephyr]

Hi, I'm new here. Can anyone recomend a m+ build for assa?

[balmy condor]

3x SS 3x EB

2x severe 3, rest strikethrough

you can use a raid set and be fine though

as long as you're doing 3x SS

you're fine

[fiery zephyr]

:/ Right now i have only 2 SS and 1x EB

😦

[balmy condor]

yeah that's a good start

[fleet whale]

TTK is ok too if you don't have 3 x EB

[fiery zephyr]

TTK ?

[fleet whale]

like there is a helm that is SS/TTK and it's decent for M+

twist the knife

[balmy condor]

irontide helm

it fucks over people trying to get CT in single target

:)

[rancid bobcat]

I mean would you ever hit CT single target in an m+ build

[balmy condor]

yeah but people use it in raids

and then wonder why CT doesn't sim higher

[fiery zephyr]

Is there any source I can read about this 3x SS 3x EB build?

[balmy condor]

search function in discord

its basically just 3x gar from stealth, CT

and then the rest of it is just the usual priorities

[fiery zephyr]

oh ok... I just wanted to read about essences etc. I have rank 1-2 right now 😦

[balmy condor]

bote

[drifting cloud]

@fiery zephyr ryfietv on twitch is the currently the highest rated assa rogue

hes live atm

[proud horizon]

I can’t find that link Ryler

Is he under streamers?

[drifting cloud]

I mean you type twitch.tv and then put a dash and ryfietv behind it

I cant link it directly because against advertisting rules

[proud horizon]

Oh fuck, okay, ty

Sorry I’m a bit new

[drifting cloud]

I have no idea who he actually is I just checked rio leaderboard and saw he streams

[proud horizon]

Holy fuck he’s amazing thank you

[balmy condor]

yeah he's a chill guy

he has a discord too I think

[autumn night]

is it even worth siming now or do i just stack expedient?

[balmy condor]

always worth simming

but in raids, you'll want a lot of exped yeah

[tawny bough]

soo im assuming i should run 1 gushing wounds and the rest haste for ass rogues?

[balmy condor]

no

just full send the haste

[tawny bough]

alright

[balmy condor]

GW might be strong early

but its def not BiS

Always sim

sim is answer to all of life's problems

[tawny bough]

i try to be careful with sims for curruptions because anything with TD or IS will just bump up 10k dps and isnt always good tbh

thank you though

[balmy condor]

yeah but that's why no one recommends IS

[tawny bough]

true lol

[balmy condor]

everything else is honestly fine

[humble valley]

With deeper strategem, do I always envemon at 4+ CP?

[balmy condor]

DS finish at 5+

[humble valley]

during my CDs, do i mutilate again at 4 CP to hit 6 then?

[balmy condor]

yes

[humble valley]

okay ty

[tawny bough]

sooo should i be doing the posion build or the bleed?

and im assuming bleed is for later end

[balmy condor]

bleed gets better

if you have 3x SS it actually doesn't take long for it to overtake poison

but poison is viable

[tawny bough]

ok

[loud brook]

is dungeon slice good for sin?

or is there another way of simming for m+

[balmy condor]

It's fine

good enough I argue

you could sim 4-5 target aoe

but there's so much variability in m+

simming it very hard

[loud brook]

that's fair

[misty light]

is there a good resource for M+ to know what skips/tricks we can do in the different dungeons?

I haven't played since 8.0 and forget basically everything...

not seeing anything in the pins on point

[balmy condor]

skips don't really exist anymore because of obelisks

but you can try ryfie's discord, they might have something on it

[willow pulsar]

Watch some yt videos of zmok or streams

[balmy condor]

yeah stream vods are honestly the biggest thing

[fallow otter]

Raider. Io releases weekly MDT routes, it's a good place to start

[balmy condor]

Oh yeah, completely forgot about that

Dratnos still writing those?

[bitter rose]

Probably

[drifting cosmos]

Different tank has different routes really

[balmy condor]

They’re all pretty similar

[drifting cosmos]

Especially high io tanks have their own that you don't see many in pug

[balmy condor]

Gnight guys, or good morning to the EU boys, love you all. Remember to wash your hands

[arctic walrus]

time to clock in

[warm parcel]

[shadow wedge]

[novel citrus]

Hey guys looking to get into sin m+ have some echoes saved up and not sure what to do with them cus severe + strikethrough arent for another month (and from what i see those are best) should i not spend anything and wait or is there maybe something else i can buy to have temporarily that will perform nicely and is worth it?

[warm parcel]

Spend if you farm more

Dont if you dont

[novel citrus]

Anything particular you would recommend actually spending on

[warm parcel]

Gw if you wanna pvp

Hastes nice for raids

Is for memes

[warm olive]

What do you guys think of Torment in a jar, it sims highest for multi target, but I haven't seen rogues wearing it in high keys M+, what is the reason behind that?

[steep plover]

I think its cause stats usually are better for us? Buts its still good for heavy aoe damage

[strange python]

It never seems to do much dps for me, not a fan

[steel ridge]

It doesn’t really scale well for sin

thats my experience aswell

[steep plover]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[steel ridge]

Just using plumage and annihilate priority targets with exsanguinate

[steep plover]

do people use luxthos WA or are they not that good?

[urban spire]

What’s the suggested haste for the Crimson tempest/exsang build

[sharp swallow]

yes

as much as you can get

[urban spire]

To start using it

[steep plover]

whats a good low resource intenseive nameplate + wa ?

[urban spire]

What haste does it outsim the normal guild

[warm parcel]

when sim tells you you can use it

[urban spire]

Oh

[steep plover]

itll usually be atleast 50-60% + haste

just gather haste/crit haste/mastery gear that wont be easy to replace and then chuck expedients on them

[urban spire]

Ah, I see.

[steep plover]

and then get the bis azerite pieces if u havent

[urban spire]

okay, thanks!

[steep plover]

😄

anybody got some clean/simple low resource intensive nameplte/wa recommendations?

[fallow otter]

Plater mvp, but low resource isn't a box I need to tick

[umbral rapids]

I just realized i need both mechagon rings cause my 475 recursion has severe

[shell ivy]

Plater nameplate here

[umbral rapids]

Same

[shell ivy]

there’s elvui a lot ppl use I think but never tried

[steep plover]

Aight tyy for suggestions

[umbral rapids]

Yeah I have elvui but really didn’t like the nameplates on it

[strange python]

I use kui nameplates

[polar goblet]

hi. may i ask what is the best spec for m+ ? i'm a returning rogue btw

[drifting cloud]

outlaw

but assa is still very good

[steel ridge]

@urban spire for me it starts to sim better with 60% haste an honed mind R3

[urban spire]

LOL okay I’m screwed with my 22%

[steel ridge]

Yeah 22% is far away

you will be better of with toxic blade and double dose

[urban spire]

Okay, thanks lol

[steel ridge]

And the rotation is much more packed

It gets really interesting gameplay wise

[urban spire]

How about shrouded suffocation + crimson tempest in m+ regardless of haste?

Or do I just run poison bomb/toxic blade there too?

[drifting cloud]

you dont need 60% haste for exsang to be better

you prolly need that for CT to be better than PB on st tho

[jolly finch]

Yeah PB still sims higher for me atm personally

[polar goblet]

can someone give me the latest assassination guide plz

[spiral thunder]

Go check wowhead or icyveins they have guides

[royal lantern]

pins

🙂

[uncut tiger]

I got around 36% crit, 40% mastery. So im wearing a 475 pants with crit/haste atm. Is it worth to craft LW 470 pants and aim for mastery/haste?

without these crit pants id be at 34% crit

[cunning vector]

Oh shit nvm thoguth this was for sub xD

Yeah f me..thought we were talking about sub;w;

[vast forum]

@uncut tiger usually not worth dropping ilvl, just change your sockets around if you need different stats

[uncut tiger]

alright, ty

[red bloom]

😍 that magic 34% crit though

[shrewd night]

[quiet radish]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[keen tree]

should i be getting crit, haste or mastery enchants and gems?

but you can't really sim for m+

can you?

[shrewd night]

That wasnt part of your initial question, was it?

[willow pulsar]

Crit gems

[crimson palm]

at 34% crit your char gets infused by a buff which only rank 6 maut log guys have it and your character starts doing insane dmg

[next solar]

dont you hate how minmax sims for assass is like average sims for most dps lol

[quartz depot]

Ye its pretty nice having shit alts that sim more

[next solar]

i think my minmax atm is like 102k with expedients lol

[keen tree]

sorry i had to go afk - so i use crit gems until i get to 34%?

im a low level right now so this is just me trying to do the best i can until i get better gear

[next solar]

this just hurts my soul to look at https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mf6u7YCDmWLKcbGF2yVDbp

[steel ridge]

Thats what i felt aswell... other classes sim higher

[next solar]

oh im banking until expedient lol

im pretty much done with outlaw

[keen tree]

im pretty much done with outlaw
@next solar why?

[steel ridge]

Next week is gonna be the week

[next solar]

i meant corruption wise im pretty much done, now im investing into assass

[keen tree]

ahh ok

im playing sin even though i will mostly do m+.. and was looking for validaation of my choice lol

somethign like "oh its so boring playing outlaw" or somethinglike that 🙂

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[halcyon zealot]

!wa

[next solar]

i enjoy the lockdown aspect of outlaw just as much as the dps

[steep wave]

How important is honed mind in raid exsan build? I forgot to buy III and i think about buying II, as i dont have even 40corruption (20 atm) should i buy one before III comes again? I see it is recommended to play 1x III Honed Mind. About 3.8k haste for now

[pallid solar]

Is there a section or guide for updated corruptions? Wondering which one is best for sin rogue

[plain thistle]

@steep wave its recommended because if you use everthing with expedient rank3 we will have room to put more corruption (once our cape resistence is at max value), and since 1 rank 3 honed mind is better than 1 rank 3 expedient we use that

[lean marten]

some people swap it for a GW with similiar results

[steep wave]

so i should buy one - two to get more corruption as i have low and then - when expedients comes up - i should sim to check if expedient will still give me the most dmg, if not i should take honed mind, thanks

[novel cedar]

Does twisting appendage stack in different gear slots?

[valid bear]

Exang build for KR this week is good?

[balmy condor]

@pallid solar theres raz’s Guide up in the pins. We stack exped in raids and severe/strikethrough in m+

@novel cedar the damage stacks, yes

And the exsang build is pretty good in KR, yes @valid bear

[pallid solar]

Thanks whispyr

[novel cedar]

would it be worth taking 2 twisting appendage over 1 infinite stars?

[balmy condor]

Considering infinite stars loses a ton of value outside of singe target, I would never recommend infinite stars

We only run ta if we want to rng parse

It’s not that great

[novel cedar]

ah alright, thanks

[balmy condor]

And it’s also inconsistent

Just stick with exped for raids

[manic pebble]

honed mind 3 is here

it's a must for exsang build right?

[crimson palm]

no

[manic pebble]

alright

[balmy condor]

honed mind 3 is the icing on the cake at the very end once you got a ton of expeds

we don't even have enough corruption resistance to run it atm

[fathom swift]

Its also not necessarily best for everyone

Like racing pulse is better as last slot for me

[balmy condor]

yeah

It's either RP or HM from what I've seen

[fathom swift]

Void ritual might actually be not that bad either tbh

[balmy condor]

whats the range on it though

[echo jay]

34% haste without buffs/food enough haste for exsang bui;d?

[balmy condor]

sim yourself

but usually exsang will start to become decent at 30-35% so you're getting there

[echo jay]

ok thanks

[warped siren]

so TA is only for rng parse? I'm best stacking exp?

[balmy condor]

yeah

exped will parse more consistently too

TA needs a LOT of procs to keep up

[warped siren]

also with stacking all this haste I want Deeper Stratagem?

[balmy condor]

yes

and with even more, you'll want CT single target

sim yourself to know for sure

[warped siren]

Oh really, even if im not using exs or anything like that

[balmy condor]

you would be at that level

but yeah

[warped siren]

Appreciate it

[balmy condor]

exsang at like 30-35%

CT at like 60%

[warped siren]

I'm at 57% atm but if I go past 39 corruption I guess I could run it

[balmy condor]

sim it to be sure

[warped siren]

Always simming, just double checking with discord as well c:

[balmy condor]

yuh

[green basalt]

42% haste enough for exsang build?

[balmy condor]

usually, yes

sim yourself and see

[green basalt]

82k PW fight

feels alrighty

[balmy condor]

but is it better than TB

[green basalt]

ahh

forgot about the talent thingy on raidbots

long time since i played my rogue now

[balmy condor]

top gear is hype

its the only way to sim tbh

like gear compare and droptimizer are good and all

but top gear is where its at

[green basalt]

nice!

will do it, been playing balance for a while now while we progress illgy and get the shortcut to carapace, and now i can return to my little creeper

0.9% better to play pb than CT atleast

[pale tiger]

im pretty sure the the apl just doesn't use ct if you have any ttk

so that might be why

[balmy condor]

correct

TTK disables CT

[median talon]

If I know there’s going to be adds in a fight (i.e. Xanesh/Ra’den) should I save vanish for a bit longer to multidot them or is it more efficient to just use it earlier so everything is up and just dot the adds with non-empowered stuff?

[balmy condor]

people generally hold for raden

I don't think holding for xanesh is worth it

[pale tiger]

i haven't played assa on hive but i feel like by the time the first ravager spawns your first garrotes should almost be in their pandemic window no?

wait im tired af why did i think you said hive

[balmy condor]

yeah vanish holding for the ravager is fine

[ebon heath]

Do you guys play exsanguinate build on M+ too?

[median talon]

Gotcha 🙂 Thanks! Hive could’ve also been part of the question so I appreciate the input for that fight

[balmy condor]

TB usually the go to with crit

but exsang is okay

[pale tiger]

it definitely seems like it would be really strong in tyr kr/ws

[balmy condor]

big saucy envenoms and EB damage

[pale tiger]

and some people like it

and jy

[balmy condor]

yeah if you're running more of an exped build

it'll be good

also really good prio damage

[pale tiger]

but i go for the 3 ss/3 eb build with severes and strikes

[balmy condor]

yeah

that's the way to go

and usually TB would work better with that for the meaty envenoms

[pale tiger]

yeah for more st i just run a ttk instead of eb

[balmy condor]

ye

[pale tiger]

with tb and all the crit that i'm stacking

it works really well i think

[humble valley]

what's EB?

[balmy condor]

echoing blades

[humble valley]

oh right

[tropic ocean]

wassup boys

[balmy condor]

hey ausrr

[ivory pine]

Is there any sin single target build that is viable that uses crit? I was sub (i know) but our guild is going Mythic now so sin is sorta required and I have all these severe 3 in my bag i dont wanna waste

[balmy condor]

poison is fine

[ivory pine]

Thats the standard TB/poison bomb and vigor one?

[balmy condor]

ye

that's how most people progressed in ny'alotha before the vendor

[ivory pine]

Gotcha, I guess the bleed one needs more of the right corruptions to be really good

[balmy condor]

just exsang

requires more haste

[tropic ocean]

youwant to stack haste for both builds in current meta

[balmy condor]

yeah

[tropic ocean]

just bleed build is more azerite/gear dependant due to scaling

[carmine dawn]

alright i sniped a galecallers from my chest. is this shit all its cracked up to be?

[balmy condor]

if you have enough haste, and 3x SS, you'll see bleed catch up and then overtake poison rather quickly

its pretty good

gz on the 475

[carmine dawn]

its wasted on a yellow name like me but ty

[balmy condor]

its technically BiS

but you can't use it sometimes because you have to stand in it for it to be worth

[carmine dawn]

so maybe like half the fights

[balmy condor]

lot of people will just opt for plumage

[fathom swift]

Theres very few fights is really bad on

[balmy condor]

yeah

you can make it work

on basically everything

[tropic ocean]

well its not bad per se

[carmine dawn]

good to know. i should start practicing Sin

[tropic ocean]

but it still makes u tied to a spot

which very fast can lead to no dps gain

[fathom swift]

But also as long as you stand in during exsang during cds thats the most important thinf

[tropic ocean]

if you get targeted by bad mechanic

[carmine dawn]

can i do bleed build with crit/vers from outlaw set or stick to psn?

[balmy condor]

bleed won't be better than poison

with crit

[tropic ocean]

sim, but I doubt without haste bleed will outvalue poison build

[ivory pine]

youwant to stack haste for both builds in current meta
@tropic ocean even for poison?

[balmy condor]

yes

[tropic ocean]

yes

[ivory pine]

Damn

Got 4 severe 3 I cant use lmao

[balmy condor]

can't use and not optimal are 2 different things

[fathom swift]

You can still use severe its just not best

[balmy condor]

^

[ivory pine]

Ahh gotcha

I just dont wanna reitemize for haste if i can avoid it

[balmy condor]

that depends on how far you're pushing

with sin

if you're trying it out, crit will be fine

if you're doing heroic, crit will be fine

[carmine dawn]

is triple SS only for bleed? so stick to DD for psn?

[balmy condor]

if you''re working on CE, probably should re-itemize

triple SS is for bleed

having 1 SS isn't bad though

DD usually for poison

sim yourself to be sure

[ivory pine]

that depends on how far you're pushing
@balmy condor its mythic, but I only have 1x SS

[balmy condor]

yeah that's pretty struggle then

but haste is still poppin

so

idk, that's up to you

[ivory pine]

Guess I will save up for June 14th for Ex III

[balmy condor]

how far in are you

[ivory pine]

4/12

[balmy condor]

oh

yeah won't matter much

[green basalt]

humming better then spy at 475 for exsang build?

[balmy condor]

sim

generally I think the spy would be better? but it depends on every character

wouldn't surprise me either way

[green basalt]

ah i will sim it and see, gonna sim my 475 dagger with socket against the TA daggers and see aswell

[balmy condor]

the 475 will probably win unless its mythic cara daggers

you'll want to purify those TA eventually

[green basalt]

its not but its vers/crit dagger

instead of crit/haste

vers/mastery i mean.

[balmy condor]

its a lot of ilvl

and the socket

is still huge

475 with a socket vs 470 without

is going to be the 475 a majority of the time

[green basalt]

think it will be awhile before i get my hands on cara daggers, just started real progress last night and got it to 42%

still along way to go

huming with socket won over spy atleast

[balmy condor]

by how much?

[green basalt]

but my TA daggers was -8.9%

if i switched to 475 one

[balmy condor]

wait what, 9%?

that's insane

[green basalt]

from 83k dps to 75k dps if i switch 1 dagger

[balmy condor]

and that's with equal corruptions/enchants?

[green basalt]

will do it again

[mellow pier]

Cara dies fast

U could get a dagger this week

[green basalt]

depends if we get a decent warlock perhaps

the pleb we had died when transitioning from p2 to p3

😂

[rough agate]

sounds like a healer issue to me

[balmy condor]

yeah not sure bout that one

during the transition?

[green basalt]

yeah he got a potato pc so when the priest grips him up for the portal he dcs and dies

[balmy condor]

[crimson palm]

So adapt and lightfoot?

[balmy condor]

I'm starting to think this isn't mythic

[rough agate]

Could be clip dcing if hes getting gripped up

But apparently hes gone now so this is moot right

[green basalt]

we did, got a few kinks to work out 🙂

[tropic ocean]

if this is about carapce

dont need grip at all

for nzoth neither

[balmy condor]

yeah

some yikes happening

[green basalt]

yeah he is slow af

[tropic ocean]

should play burning rush

but even without there shouldnt be any issue

plenty of time

[green basalt]

thats why they did grip him a few times

[balmy condor]

why didn't he just walk tho

[green basalt]

mostly it was a problem with the membrane and not facing it towards the raid and such

[tropic ocean]

how is that related to gate tho

[green basalt]

we gate the first infinite darkness

[tropic ocean]

usually problem with membranes is people picking the orbs before the breakers are in range

I know how the encounter works, but thats not in relation to membrane

and u got plenty of time to move up gate, stack, and click shouldnt be in need of any grip or any movement thing

but if slow just use burning rush

[balmy condor]

^

[green basalt]

aye first time last night for an hour or so, should be gucci when we get in a full night on it

[tropic ocean]

probably yeah

[green basalt]

its kinda a cool fight too i liked it

[tawny bough]

is shroudeded suf a must?

[balmy condor]

for exsang, yes

you'll need AT LEAST 1

but 3 is what you should be aiming for

[tawny bough]

ok what if im not running that and keeping the posion build what would i want then?

[balmy condor]

3x DD

[tropic ocean]

need to sim

only 2 dd if u have access to cara/nzoth azerite

[balmy condor]

yeah

it gets hairy

[tawny bough]

k

thanks

[balmy condor]

np

[carmine dawn]

wait if im doing psn build with crit stacking, is galecallers still pog?

[balmy condor]

sim it

I would assume less pog

but still pretty okay

[carmine dawn]

feelspogman

ty

[balmy condor]

np

[severe dune]

!help

[balmy condor]

!withwhat

[severe dune]

Sup guys. I got the plumage from my chest. Was wondering if there is a list of trinkets and when to use em

[balmy condor]

plumage is hype

[severe dune]

It’s good?

[balmy condor]

arguable BiS

[severe dune]

Damn feelsgoodman

[balmy condor]

you can just sim the trinkets you have

and go from there

[severe dune]

I got a vita and humming trinket. I’m assuming vita would be best. But I’ll sim

I’m coming from hunter. What’s the best way to aim for single target and for mythic plus

Patchwork 5 min one boss for single target I’m assuming

[balmy condor]

yeah

dungeon slice is fine for m+

[severe dune]

Kk thanks

[balmy condor]

but simming m+ is kinda yucky

huge grains of salts on that one

[severe dune]

Why’s that

[green basalt]

i simmed so i weight up the loss of 70 corruption from the daggers with a TDr2 but still its an 0.8% upgrade to switch out the TA dagger

[balmy condor]

cause multi-target sims and especially multi-pull sims are always going to be inaccurate

there's no way to account for that many variables

[green basalt]

Why is it wonky af if its an ilvl upgrade you slap it on goddammit!

[balmy condor]

affixes, differences in dungeons, etc

if ilvl = win, gearing would be the most boring thing ever

[green basalt]

true that but it would be easier

[balmy condor]

any chimp can look at 2 numbers and go "hEy ThAt OnE BiG"

[green basalt]

😄

[floral shoal]

discord: sim yo'self
also discord: "multi-target sims and especially multi-pull sims are always going to be inaccurate"

😄

[keen tree]

yeah i had that earlier today

[balmy condor]

I mean