assassination

[thick jasper]

i cant even decide which dagger i should choose from my pvp cap

+crit haste or +verse mast

[balmy condor]

crit haste will be better for pve

[thick jasper]

i just chose the one that took away mastery because the other one took away haste

i probably sound stupid lol im really trying to learn this game

shits complicated

i just got a new azerite headpiece and like i cant put it on cause my buddys not here to help me with my traits

[balmy condor]

wat

why would you need your friend to put traits on

[thick jasper]

can you top gear sim the azerite traits

[balmy condor]

yeah

[thick jasper]

because im ocd and i dont wanna do it bad

i dont wanna be a weakling

[river raptor]

isnt mastery good for assasiantion? more blee dmg and posion

[balmy condor]

mastery is good but its not the best

[river raptor]

is there a % u try to aim for mastery?

[balmy condor]

no

you go for haste in single target and crit/strikethrough in aoe

mastery is secondary to that

[river raptor]

ah ok thx

[vagrant dirge]

crit ring enchants or haste?

and gems

[river raptor]

do rogue sim 1 tar patchwerk?

rogues*

[sullen pagoda]

sim your gear and go for stats by that

dont listen to go for haste then x or w.e

[river raptor]

yea but 1 tar patchwerk ye?

[sullen pagoda]

yes

5min or 3min depending on fight / your guild kill timers

[river raptor]

ok cheers anyythting i add in apl for assasination or no need?

[thick jasper]

howcome i just simmed my gear and it tells me my 435 headpiece is my top gear and i have a 445 in my inventory

[sullen pagoda]

no need to add anything

[balmy condor]

apl is fine

[river raptor]

ok thx

[sullen pagoda]

your 445 one probably has shit traits @thick jasper

[thick jasper]

could that be because i didnt pick the traits yet

[balmy condor]

that's definitely why lmao

[thick jasper]

im just a gay nerd dude i actually read my azerite traits and just picked them

lol

its not that hard

overwhelming power seemed like an obvious pick

twist the knife, meticulous scheming

[balmy condor]

TTK

[thick jasper]

the iLvl goes up when u empower a piece/??!!/

[balmy condor]

yes the last one is +5 ilvl

the one in the middle

[thick jasper]

dope

[sullen pagoda]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k7cLsy21EyGD5qC8m4Um6C @tropic ocean do i become clf gamer

[tropic ocean]

Depends

If crit = 34 yes

If not no

[sullen pagoda]

i shit u not i saw the stream today says

top 100 rogue world streamer

[balmy condor]

huge

[tropic ocean]

Lol

Am top 10 rogue gamer heroic pre nerf 1

Sup yall

[thick jasper]

i did it boys

[sullen pagoda]

i got rank 1 skitra log

[thick jasper]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dmNxe4wiXJ4Kh1XaFoC6tr

[sullen pagoda]

if anyone needs tips hit me up

(pls dont)

[thick jasper]

im hitting u up

[tropic ocean]

What did you so

Do•

[balmy condor]

spam him

[thick jasper]

i picked my own azerite traits instead of my nerd friend doing it

[echo cargo]

Just killed nzoth but died in execute hit me up for tips on how to have a DH drop anguish on your head

[thick jasper]

i feel empowered

[tropic ocean]

Noice

[thick jasper]

like my IRL item level just went up

[tropic ocean]

Tomorrow is saturday

And ive done 0 assaults

Rip

[sullen pagoda]

mechagon shoulders 750 over gorakthul on 3min

actually pumping

[tropic ocean]

Oh noes

I dont want to reforge

😭

[balmy condor]

imagine spending 20k resid for gorak

just to replace it with mecha

[sullen pagoda]

mechagon shoulders are all i looted for like 5 weeks

[balmy condor]

[sullen pagoda]

finally got goraktul like last week

[random crater]

wtb rogue mentor 😄

[balmy condor]

how much you paying

[random crater]

1g per day

[balmy condor]

dude

huge money

[tropic ocean]

Imagine spending 9500 resid and get 2x goraks

[random crater]

plus a 1g stipend for food

[tropic ocean]

[balmy condor]

infinite gold as long as I live forever

[random crater]

travel not include

[rancid bobcat]

1 brutosaur

[sullen pagoda]

[tropic ocean]

Maybe i should sim

3ss 3np vision

For 3 min fights

[sullen pagoda]

dude vision major was closest i was to quitting rogue

f that

[tropic ocean]

With good rng

I can do 80% of warr avg dps

Worth

[sullen pagoda]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/NhNjbBtG6S3U3y8RCifG6 3min 55 corruption

simming less than my alt warr on 5min under 40

[little root]

could be worse... you could be playing sub

[minor spade]

IS or Flayer for non-stat corruption?

[balmy condor]

flay for sure

but neither is the correct answer

:)

[minor spade]

yeah

im still working on upping my corruption budget, gotta catch up on resist

then stacking haste until i die

[balmy condor]

Yeah if you don’t have corruptions just keep whatever tbh

Purify your cara daggers last

All that stuff

[minor spade]

right now i have IS3 ring and 1x H Cara dagger

with 2 epxedient3 in my bags

[balmy condor]

You’ll have to suffer with that IS for a while I’d think

[minor spade]

yeah

it's fine, im okay with it, just gotta grind out 12k more echoes to catch up on resist then i can go back to buying corruptions

[balmy condor]

Exped 3 is back on the 14th

[minor spade]

ik

[balmy condor]

So it’s a possibility that you save up, buy a ton of expeds

And then go for the resist

[minor spade]

hmmm

[balmy condor]

Depending on how bad you need it

[minor spade]

i mean im at 29% haste without any haste corruptions on

[balmy condor]

And how many echoes you get etc

Just a thought

[minor spade]

true

i just gotta find a good way to consitently grind them

i guess it's arenas?

[balmy condor]

Arena is the fastest

Unless you’re high rated and it takes like 15 minutes for a 3v3

In which case m+ might be faster

[minor spade]

i dont have friends so i do 2s lmao

[balmy condor]

Double dps 2’s are super fast

Probably the way to go

[minor spade]

hit 1.6k from 0cr in 3hrs and <50 games

do we know if honed mind 3 is on the rotation at all/when it's up?

[balmy condor]

Yeah wowhead has the full timings in list form

Google wowhead corruption vendor

But honed mind 3 isn’t the way to go anymore I’m pretty sure

The guide aged a little

[minor spade]

hmmm

[mental trout]

Can any one explain why garrote, rup, garrote is the best for single target? Just to get that extra 2 seconds of ticks?

[balmy condor]

It’s an extra 6 seconds

Not 2

[minor spade]

if not honed mind maybe some strikethrough?

[balmy condor]

It’s actually 2 ticks and 6 seconds

[minor spade]

or even a gusher?

[balmy condor]

Racing pulse is current idea

[mental trout]

How is it 6 seconds?

[minor spade]

would ineffable truth work?

[balmy condor]

Cause you have an 18 second garrote

And then you hit it again

Get the full pandemic

An now you’re at 24

[mental trout]

Ohhhh ok I get it

Thanks

[balmy condor]

Ineffable truth is awful btw

We line up all our CDs, ineffable fucks everything up

[minor spade]

pulse seems smart then

RP3 comes up on the 21st, might be a worthy investment

[balmy condor]

We won’t have enough corruption for that for a while though

It’s literally the last thing you add

[minor spade]

yeah

[balmy condor]

I’m sure koji will look at it

[minor spade]

ill have to keep my eye on it

[balmy condor]

Might be honed mind but I can’t imagine it’s better than racing with all the expeds we stack

Mastery might be worth more but that’s just a ton of haste

Don’t think it’ll be able to keep up

[minor spade]

yeah

ive been seeing some builds on logs going strikethrough/severe splits

[balmy condor]

For aoe yeah

For single target it might be some tendies or big enven cheese thing

Some people go crit and poison build and get huge envenoms

[whole canyon]

hi everyone, so i just came back to wow a little bit ago cause i wanna do shadow lands blah blah blah, im gonna try and get aotc with this guild i joined but i gotta get my deeps up and im wondering if i should really focus on essences or my cloak or just overall gear first, like whats gonna help me get higher faster to get into better content for gearing, sorry for long :D

[balmy condor]

Essences is usually the quickest

Overall gear on the side

M+ spam and essences

Cloak as you go

[whole canyon]

swag ty!, guess i gotta find a eternal palace grp lol

[balmy condor]

Nah

Just get bote

That’s farmable

And gives more echoes in the process

[minor spade]

spam battlegrounds for bote

only need what, 5k honor now?

[whole canyon]

should i not worry about condensed?

[minor spade]

i dont think any assassin builds use CLF

[balmy condor]

Not true

[vagrant dirge]

eu corruptions reset late tomorrow right

[balmy condor]

CLF is bis single target

[whole canyon]

o really? i thought i was seeing is at #1

[balmy condor]

But depending on timings

Bote will beat it

[whole canyon]

i guess i will be spamming more mythic+ so blood shoudl be priority

[balmy condor]

And a lot of people run bote because they’re used to it

CLF is for sure an upgrade tho

But bote is competitive with it

So you should get bote

And then you can worry about CLF for the long term

[whole canyon]

i see isee

ty

[balmy condor]

Np

[royal lantern]

people use bote cus clf is not really that good for most fights tbh

[balmy condor]

Like what

Fight between 2:20 and 3:10?

In that case, yes

But CLF is fine

If you’re going EB on vex or hivemind, sure

But single target pumping, CLF is definitely good

[slim estuary]

Hi everyone, I asked the other day what I could improve and was given some pointers. I took these on board and tried to correct them. Would anyone be able to take a look at my heroic run from last night and lmk if there are anyy more big issues. I am still trying to get the hang of some tips I was given so in some cases I activated some of my opener out of order and I think I renewed exsang rup a few times because my ape brain has been playing poison since TOS in legion. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/K4AzHNctqL8Tx3ng

[balmy condor]

big oof

[slim estuary]

That was maut right?

[balmy condor]

other fights seem okay on the opener tho

just happened to be the first I clicked

[slim estuary]

I knew I ate shit on maut

I think you were one who gave me help the other day, thank you 🙂

[balmy condor]

yeah I'm in here quite a lot

there's some small stuff

this could've been mut mut gar rup for example

[slim estuary]

||I need to fix my opener and cast GCB before exsang and mut after vend
I need to use BOTE after exsang
my first vanish I should double garr (after my exsang garr falls off) to benefit from pandemic
I should be holding vend, bote, vanish, and exsang to line up on my second window
I need to change my pot
change how I do vanish||

[slim estuary]

This is what I was given to fix last time

[balmy condor]

this is kinda yuck

yeah

so before every exsang

you should be doing gar->6cp rup->exsang

[slim estuary]

Right because I am running down the clocks on my bleeds before exsang so exsang does less

I should be renewing bleeds closer to exsang so I get a longer duration?

[balmy condor]

you should be planning ahead for it yeah

Ideally you wouldn't 6cp rupture and then 6cp rupture exsang like 5 seconds later

or something

[slim estuary]

The guide says to exsang if rup and garr are above 25 and 15 respectively. Should I just renew these even if above these thresholds?

[balmy condor]

yeah that's outdated

always using gar->6cp rup->exsang is I think 0.4% up

#tc-updates has some stuff on it

koji did a bunch of testing

[slim estuary]

no matter remaining time on them?

[balmy condor]

• Pre-Exsanguinate it will attempt to Garrote -> Max CP Rupture -> Exsanguinate regardless of existing Garrote duration, if Garrote is available in ST and adds won't spawn within 6 seconds (minor 0.4-0.6% gain for ST Exsanguinate to do this when it aligns)

as per #tc-updates on 5/29

[slim estuary]

oh ok, so no matter what always renew bleeds before exsang

[balmy condor]

yeah

[slim estuary]

cool, thank yyou

Are there any other points to fix up?

[balmy condor]

this is a bit messy on raden

but generally no

I don't see anything major

[slim estuary]

Yes, my guild is 11/12 myythic and are pumpers. There were a few cases where I was just trying to squeeze in damage because the boss was close to dying

[balmy condor]

you can consider vop minor and holding vanish on some of them I would think

you just do a normal opener and then hold vanish for 1:30

and then pump again

[slim estuary]

I know I should hold for exsang but there were soome cases where I didnt know if exsang would be up in time so I went for it

[balmy condor]

yeah that's fine tbh

I'd rather cast and realize I had time

than not cast and lose it

[slim estuary]

They were pumping 99s oon most bosses soo everything was dyying so fast I wasn't sure if I would have time to hold

[balmy condor]

yeah happens

[serene osprey]

everything dying too fast to parse well is kind of a good problem to have

[shrewd goblet]

What is Azerite do I run for the top ST build right now? I’ve seen like 3 different builds people claim are the current meta

[balmy condor]

3x SS, 2x HoD, 1x BBI

[shrewd goblet]

That clarifies a lot. Thanks @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

np

with really short fights some people are seeing upgrades with the clockwork stuff

so that's decent too

[slim estuary]

I mean, things dying too fast are good but I don't have any expedient rn and I hit a real low oustside of cd window. its just long enough that they die just as I get to my second window so I can't bump my dps again

[drifting cosmos]

Can't wait to see what's the kill time when Cape has max resis

Fire Mage or gtfo sorta thing

[balmy condor]

sub 1 minute maut is probably doable with full pumpers I would think

[mighty elm]

#doubt

[balmy condor]

you're already seeing maut kills in the 1:20's

[mighty elm]

yeah , with no healers as well

[drifting cosmos]

The stats scaling with corruption is pretty nuts

[balmy condor]

1 tank, bunch of fire mages, full corrupts

I think its gonna get close

[drifting cosmos]

For later bosses too, would be whole lot easier

Tho personally I don't like the system but oh well

[balmy condor]

I think a lot of people don't like it

[drifting cosmos]

Hope it get better in SL end game

[crimson palm]

With the state of covenants atm SL's gonna be ass

[balmy condor]

hopefully they won't be too busted op

if they're busted op and the balance is out the window

its gonna be a mess

[crimson palm]

Cheat death and 20% haste is already op

[balmy condor]

balancing passes haven't happened yet

[crimson palm]

It doesn't matter, the utility is there

Like every class will want cd for progress

[balmy condor]

and they might realize that and remove the utility

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wooden fog]

anyone here know trig

[balmy condor]

like the math?

[wooden fog]

yeah

[balmy condor]

I mean, its been a couple year

[wooden fog]

that's alright just trying to figure out what a vector is

https://gyazo.com/e4236adceb955859d88a207336cadebc?token=5e6e451f6f38b7ab069d4913cf4ad9e4

is this a vector

[crimson palm]

[balmy condor]

this aint the discord for that dawg

[wooden fog]

whoops i'm sorry i mustve interrupted your guys' very important discussion

ill bring my silly number problem elsewhere

[balmy condor]

It's not about interrupting or not

[crimson palm]

Np

[steep plover]

Doesnt a vector have a direction but

[balmy condor]

its about off topic in a channel that's not supposed to be

but yes, vectors have directions, that's not a vector

[wooden fog]

so you're saying that

if i drew an arrow to the end of it

it would be a vector?

[balmy condor]

bruh there's like khan academy for this stuff

[steep plover]

I was about to say khan academy lmaoo

[wooden fog]

do i look like a guy who can afford khan academy

[humble valley]

What build do y'all run for your visions and m+?

[steep plover]

Its free cunt

[wooden fog]

exactly

[balmy condor]

m+ 3x EB 3x SS

[steep plover]

I just use my m+ build and then switch to st build for bosses

[balmy condor]

visions I run 3x SS, 2x EB and 1x NP I think

idk,

5 mask is pretty nowadays

so

I don't really bother

[steep plover]

I havent learnt any of the mechanics

That drain sanity

So i have to just rely on my dps otherwise

Death

[balmy condor]

just pump the mini bosses and don't stand in literally ANYTHING

and gg

[steep plover]

BRO im a dumb fuck only yesterday i realised that boss in the totem zone

When he silences u, u grab the gold orb

To get out of silence LOL

[balmy condor]

oof

[steep plover]

I just hate HVs so im usually multi tasking when i do them

But last night i was doing a 5 mask and i realised all the mechanics ive been ignoring

[toxic remnant]

So I’m looking to get into assa from outlaw. I’ve got crit/vers gear with strikethrough/sev build. What Azerite traits should I be aiming for? I have 480 gorak tuls, so I assume a double dose build?

[balmy condor]

ideally for raids you would be going exped, but a TTK/poison build with crit can be okay

strikethrough/sev is mostly m+

[rancid bobcat]

its not a ttk build it's double dose

[balmy condor]

I mean

yeah

but I think you want 1 TTK

[rancid bobcat]

nah

[balmy condor]

really?

yikes

[rancid bobcat]

not mandatory

hod beats it

[balmy condor]

goes to show how much I pay attention to the weirdchamp builds

[toxic remnant]

So I should try for 3x DD, 1 ss, 1 np?

[rancid bobcat]

i mean it was the build everyone ran before vendor

[toxic remnant]

What other trait should I try for?

[balmy condor]

yeah I don't remember the before times ;P

[toxic remnant]

Or are those last 2 mandatory?

[rancid bobcat]

dont need SS

yet

[toxic remnant]

With my gorak, I assume I should use one Blightborne,

[rancid bobcat]

you can run vex chest and raden helm

[toxic remnant]

3 dd, bb, 2 np?

Or maybe hod would be better,

[rancid bobcat]

NP, heart, and twist are fine

just sim it

[glacial jasper]

looks tasty https://shadowlands.wowhead.com/spell=320660/niyas-tools-poison

[toxic remnant]

Gotcha. I will when I get back. I have enough for an Azerite piece, so just trying to figure out exactly what piece I should go for

[rancid bobcat]

can you get raden and vex azerite

[toxic remnant]

Prob not mythic for a while...

[balmy condor]

heroic is fine

[toxic remnant]

Would heroic really outsim a 480?

[balmy condor]

chances are you'll transition to exped/exsang if you're gonna progress mythic

[rancid bobcat]

there's not really any superb vendor azerite like gorak's

maybe bomber jacket

[balmy condor]

especially helmets

helmets are kinda yucky

everyone's running irontide and then can't use CT

[rancid bobcat]

actually cephalo is fine before switching to bleed build

[balmy condor]

which one's that

[rancid bobcat]

and vex chest is the best before carapace

twist dd op

[balmy condor]

aha

yeah that sounds fine

[rancid bobcat]

vex can do traits for both builds

[shy dust]

Bomber jacket is good backup option for bleed build

[mental trout]

Another two weeks until I can buy the rest of exp 3 for the haste build, but I need the vender shoulders still and sitting at 5+ res, should I keep gambling until I get it or save for 20k?

[rancid bobcat]

well the main thing is it's probably a waste

cause it's more likely to get a vex chest i think, before getting enough haste to be able to actually use bleed

so then it goes to waste

though i guess it's fine for assa m+ but

thats something else

[vital haven]

bomber jacket is bis chest

[rancid bobcat]

for m+ yeah

[vital haven]

no at some point on raid

[rancid bobcat]

no way it beats carapace

[vital haven]

ye

[rancid bobcat]

matched with vex

[vital haven]

it heavily depends on kill times

like for 2 to 2 and a half min fights

clockwork is king

[rancid bobcat]

which is what

heroic shad?

m shad is prob not going below 2.5

[vital haven]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aqqKY6iNF5mCBkbvpgYwx8

found it

[bronze topaz]

what are your thoughts on blightborne infusion vs clockwork heart on the shoulder slot? they are simming almost the same

[rancid bobcat]

i mean

cara chest still at the top there

[vital haven]

for 2 mins it aint even close

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mvdTCuqehUN84MizT9KBdW

but ye overall cara chest and gorak are still really good

[rancid bobcat]

where the fuck are the 2 min kill times

[vital haven]

lol i mean skitra is already less than 2 mins for a lot of guilds

[rancid bobcat]

[vital haven]

maut even with one more than one healer its like 2:30

with one healer its like 1:30

[cobalt pelican]

for fast guilds a lot of kill times are like 2ish now

[rancid bobcat]

i guess

[vital haven]

obviously as i said is very kill dependant

[cobalt pelican]

like speedkill ranks are basically getting to <2.5min for everything

outside of obvious ones

like ilgy+last 2

i think the only fight besides those that is longer is like drest

and that's just cause drest is cringe

[rancid bobcat]

hey alright

[vital haven]

both are pretty good @bronze topaz

clockwork heart draws a lot of its strength from the fact that it 100% procs on your opener

[rancid bobcat]

it doesnt seem like itd line up well though for the rest of the fight

what's the deal like

on a 2 min fight it saves vanish for min 1 clockwork?

[cobalt pelican]

don't try and force align it with anything

accept the juice on the opener, only real way to play around it would be on longer fight lengths where you can move longer cds after the 2nd set

dropping lusted+vend garrote ticks for clockwork garrote ticks is almost definitely not worth it

[rancid bobcat]

i suppose

[bronze topaz]

thanks : ) i think i will go for clockwork since it delivers the more consistent dmg and a feeling of less rng

[lofty quail]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nP5kbz6hfb3D1zcz65GC1a

i main an outlaw rogue i want to try sin for single target raid

this is the best i could do, any suggestions for azerite traits

or essence changes

i also have heroic nzoth shoulds

[balmy condor]

do you have to stay under 39 for your raid

nvm you don't have enough corrupts to go to 39

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sp4fws6pPkVLPBMN9CyDK6

found this

just real quickly

[lofty quail]

thank youuuuuu

[balmy condor]

das a lot of severe tho

[lofty quail]

yes i main outlaw

[balmy condor]

yeah

[drifting cosmos]

Big jump!

[balmy condor]

I'm just saying you'll probably want less if you're gonna start making a sin set

the good news is

[lofty quail]

so expedients on the 14th?

[balmy condor]

you have a lot of space for corruptions

[lofty quail]

grab a few of those?

[balmy condor]

lets find out

oh and now that I see it

that chest should be DD/SS

you don't have enough corruption to proc HoD

so its actually a dead trait

[lofty quail]

ohhh right

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oBxxuWKwUdynTmQ65DwioB

ez 1200 dps

[lofty quail]

🙂 now to learn the rotation

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iBcBNjfm7n9v2KSt3kB76b

ye

it wants big exped gang

[lofty quail]

can cop some 1's rn

[balmy condor]

just save up

[lofty quail]

copy that

[slim estuary]

exp3 is back on the vendor 15th

[stable relic]

my leatherworking is 175, how would i craft the eldritch boots and legs?

[balmy condor]

get the recipe, get the materials

[stable relic]

yeah but where do i get the recipe

i cant find the drop anywhere

[balmy condor]

I think the nazjatar crafts you learn from crafting the 440 ones

[stable relic]

oh so i keep crafting the low ones

[drifting cloud]

no it drops in 8.3

just go in minor vision

[stable relic]

oh wut

okie

[drifting cloud]

not sure how you havent gotten them

[stable relic]

ill just drain all my sanity in a minor vision tomorrow

[drifting cloud]

my 50 bs alt got them in 2min

[stable relic]

i just got the 440 one

not the 470 one

[drifting cloud]

well yeah you have to make those

[balmy condor]

you sure its not from the lower ones

I feel like its from crafting the lower ones

[stable relic]

lol thats what we were talking about ryler

i got the base already

i just need to craft the low ones i suppose

[drifting cloud]

he said nazjatar, you dont need nazjatar

[balmy condor]

I think I was in the wrong patch mindset but the right crafting steps

yeah I mispoke

I thought the base was naz

but he had the base

TLDR just craft the low ones

[stable relic]

damnn it requires a void focus too

are those easy to farm?

[rancid bobcat]

you get stuff for it from the raid

have you not crafted at all this expansion

[drifting cloud]

yeah they drop plenty in daily vision aswell

5-10 min of work

[rancid bobcat]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=305338/profession-updates-in-patch-8-3-visions-of-nzoth-new-recipes-void-focus

[stable relic]

bruh i just came back two weeks ago

and i left in 8..0

LMAO

[rancid bobcat]

well there u go

[drifting cloud]

well 8.0 had the same system tbh

[rancid bobcat]

that too

[stable relic]

i havn't crafted since now

[rancid bobcat]

well no it was different at the start of expac

sanguicell/breath of bwom were the first two iterations

[drifting cloud]

instead of the void focus you had the mats from bosses yeah

rest was same

[rancid bobcat]

i think before 8.3 the profession trainers gave you the initial recipe

so that's slightly different

[stable relic]

thanks for the help guys

[drifting cloud]

but yeah hope you have expulsom

otherwise youre not gonna have fun

[rancid bobcat]

i mean until you switch to bleed build you can probably use w/e stat 470s

[drifting cloud]

well you still need enough to craft them

[rancid bobcat]

i suppose

[toxic remnant]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jtHtrCp1igRKN2fyp4AfEb

I need some help

[balmy condor]

that's an int dagger in your offhand

[toxic remnant]

that's embarassing. no wonder

[balmy condor]

there's some other problems tho

but it mostly stems from PvP player trying to make it work in pve

that what it seems like

sins gear-set reliant like that

[toxic remnant]

yeah, i've been mostly playing outlaw for m+, i'm trying to put together something so I can actually do damage in raids....

as well as being able to pvp

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9qURLSbCAvHcYkRpVrbn7q

so there's this

you can slap on the gushing wounds wrists on reset or when you get the next cloak upgrade

that'll give you another 2k-ish

should try and hold on to some mecharings if they drop, and a replacement for that torment in single target

[uncut schooner]

Isn't expedient 3 coming to the vendor soon too? Surely he wants that right?

[balmy condor]

yeah but I don't want to clobber his entire gearset together

He said he does pvp and outlaw m+

not a ton of pieces left over that aren't corrupted

but yeah, comes around on 14/15th depending on region

that would be the way to go

[uncut schooner]

I love this expansion..

[winged basin]

I feel 😐

[rancid bobcat]

you can just spam up some m+ and get base gear to use for assassination

[balmy condor]

yeah

he just doesn't have that atm

and idk which pieces he would be comfortable purifying

so

[winged basin]

I am tired of farming bgs for Blood of the Enemy r3 😠

I dont wanna do any more bgs

I am only 18k/30l

[balmy condor]

could use clf in raids

work out fine, just single target pump

[winged basin]

yeah but isnt bote better?

[balmy condor]

debatable

for aoe when you're running EB, yeah

[winged basin]

I just want to play sub.

[balmy condor]

you can do that if you want to

[winged basin]

I know this is the assass channel but I want sub to worth playing 😐

yeah but its poop

and switching all my gear again will also be poop

[balmy condor]

If you're not progressing past like 6 or 7 bosses in mythic, its honestly kinda whatever

like you'll do worse for sure

but if its like heroic raiding, big whatever imo

playing what makes you happy is always better than being miserable

[winged basin]

I like big boy st numbers thats why I am playing assass :/ but you arent wrong at all hah

[uncut schooner]

Hence I play Assa in both m+ and raiding.

Though I do need better corruptions between them.

Working on both.

[winged basin]

my gear is just kinda all over the place

I am 35% haste now tho

still no vita trink

[balmy condor]

just make an exped set for raids, and a severe/strikethrough set for m+, and a gushing/vers set for pvp, and preferably with 6 different daggers cause those need to be corrupted, and you obviously need different azerite, and different trinkets

shouldn't be a problem right

why is that so low res

[uncut schooner]

I don't do pvp so meh.

[balmy condor]

[uncut schooner]

I alrdy have a strikethrough dagger.

[balmy condor]

oh god that's worse

[winged basin]

I cri erytime

[uncut schooner]

I'm working on a second.

Meanwhile getting shards from cara (heroic)

[winged basin]

You want me to work on a 2nd lmao? I dont even got the FIRST done

[balmy condor]

I've rerolled cara for 6 weeks now

[uncut schooner]

I got one shard on my first attempt.

xD

[balmy condor]

4 shoulders, no dagger

[uncut schooner]

Need to try get the second now.

[winged basin]

I have 1 heroic shard

[balmy condor]

or chest or whatever the hell he drops

[winged basin]

I would kill to be able to pug a raden kill rn tho, just want a single freakin trink

gotta replace this 430 harlans dice with a socket..

Subtlety logs dont look to bad til you switch to assassination and see what its pulling on bosses lmaoooo

[drifting cosmos]

There is a reason why not many playing sub

But then again, sin is probably one of the better rogue specs for raid, but when you lookt at top specs right now, there is a decent gap there

[winged basin]

I mean on paper, its just bad.

The numbers are bad lmao

I feel like I am losing my spark for rogue, but its too late in the xpac to catch anything up to my rogue

[drifting cosmos]

Sub ppl are real believers or just want to take a break from sin and outlaw

Guess you have seen enough hunters around

[drifting cloud]

its 50% casuals, 45% farm memers, 5% believers

[drifting cosmos]

I don't think it's too late yet still got cple of months left

[winged basin]

by the end of the xpac I can catch up to my rogue lmaoooooo, I dont get to raid every week cause work :/

I am 468 equipped and I do pump, just not at the really really really geared level

[drifting cosmos]

But tbh at this point is all about play what you like, grinding echo can feel depressing

[winged basin]

extremely, I just feel like I dont have any goals set and thats whats killing me

I CANNOT for the life of me clear a 5 mask

[drifting cosmos]

30 keys a week and PvP and visons

Well at 468 I suggest you buy vision food

And practice sin for vision

And swapping gears like old days in legion

[winged basin]

Do I just try to farm 3-4 masks? 4 mask by myself was sketchy and I have only done it once

[drifting cloud]

sounds like you just need to look at a guide

because 468 at 15 cloak 5mask is pretty easy

[drifting cosmos]

And that too

Yea at current cloak level and vendor for corruption

[winged basin]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/zuljin/zeydal

[drifting cosmos]

But damn vision is so depressing yet needed for sockets

[winged basin]

It should be easy? 😮

It doesn't feel very easy lol I get dicked everytime

[balmy condor]

yeah nowadays 5 mask is pretty simple

[winged basin]

😠

[balmy condor]

I've been 5 masking without an orb for a couple week now

[winged basin]

Whaaaaaaaaaaaa

[balmy condor]

I'm also more geared than you tho

but should be doable

with 3 orbs it shouldn't be a problem imo

[drifting cosmos]

Wasn't that on the news that someone carried 4 afk ppl in 5 masks

[balmy condor]

yeah

[drifting cloud]

I 5 masked Org in February

[balmy condor]

prot pally solo'd a 5 man 5 mask

[drifting cloud]

I think tisu even did it at cloak10

[winged basin]

Well dang... can someone pm me a good guide then? sounds like I need to study up

[balmy condor]

yeah idk when the first time I 5 masked was

https://www.wowhead.com/guides/horrific-vision-of-orgrimmar-strategy-guide

there's tabs on the left for strats for each one

[drifting cloud]

ss/np pieces and the bosses melt

[balmy condor]

hitting 300k on rexxar feels good

just cloak when the boars come out

completely ignore that entire dumpster fire

[winged basin]

Y'all make it sound so incredibly easy, I have literally been struggling on this for weeks now lol

bad player is bad ig

[drifting cloud]

its not incredibly easy, but at 15 cloak yeah its not that big of a challenge

[balmy condor]

15 cloak and the bottom research

[drifting cloud]

especially as assa which is one of the better solo specs for it

[balmy condor]

the bottom research is busted

titan knowledge or whatever its called

[drifting cloud]

on arms I have failed plenty of them, mostly dieing to dmg 😂

[drifting cosmos]

Use food

[balmy condor]

yeah the 100 sanity food is solid

that + potions

[drifting cosmos]

That 2% regen is pretty helpful till geared

So tanky

[balmy condor]

there's like 1000 sanity just laying around in potions

[winged basin]

yeah I got 2 more traits and ill have the whole skill tree done

[drifting cosmos]

Yea gotta get an add-on for that

[balmy condor]

I didn't bother tbh

just look left and right constantly

the crystals though

fuck the crystals

[drifting cosmos]

What do crystals do

[balmy condor]

extra mementos

[drifting cosmos]

How much more extra

[balmy condor]

425 for a full set

[steep plover]

Honestly it was hard for me cause i would half ass it and not prepare or research, but once i started learning the mechanics, which is mainly move out of bad stuff, and then using cloak and shit in situations like rexxar it becomes easy cause ur dps should be good enough to burst

[drifting cosmos]

Are they random like chests?

I mean location

[balmy condor]

they have certain spawn locations

but there's always 2 in a zone

[drifting cloud]

its like 4-5 spawn locations per zone

just get handy notes

[balmy condor]

yeah

[winged basin]

Can you have more than 1 food buff active in the visions? or do I gotta get a bunch of them

[balmy condor]

the sanity food has a 3 min cd

you eat it and get 100 sanity

[winged basin]

is just the sanity one worth getting for 5 masks then?

[drifting cosmos]

Guess that's what I was missing, too lazy to get add-on for crystals

[balmy condor]

I used just the sanity one

but I think there's a couple others that people used

don't really remember what they do anymore

I try to avoid thinking about visions as much as possible

[drifting cosmos]

100 sanity is not a buff you can other food buff on while eating that

[balmy condor]

yea

[arctic walrus]

at rank 15 not really sure why sanity would be an issue for you

[balmy condor]

standing in bad most likely

[drifting cosmos]

On alts I don't even bother with chests anymore, it is that bad

[balmy condor]

if you're trying to 5 mask and you stand in shit you can drain like 400 sanity in a snap

do that a couple times and you're done for

I afk'd one time to get a drink and didn't remember it was fear week

that was almost bad

came back and it had popped my on death

wasn't too happy bout that

ran me into a pack of mobs

[winged basin]

idk, guess i am just not very confident in myself. yall are saying how easy it is, but I am mad struggling lmao so idk

guess imma keep trying til I get lucky

[drifting cosmos]

Split personality ! Can't wait for that to be an affix in keys, would make everyone quit

[balmy condor]

don't think "luck" is your problem

to be blunt

[drifting cloud]

are you 2 talents off the whole tree or away from the one at the bottom ot it? forgot the name ..

[winged basin]

I have the bottom trait

I have everything except 1 sanity increase trait and the rez

Expansive Mind and Synchronized Mind Stabilizer

[drifting cloud]

and azerite with SS on it?

alternatively, ss/np with exsang just deletes bosses

[winged basin]

I am not running the ss exsang build cause I dont have pieces with the traits

[balmy condor]

oh yikes

[steep plover]

If ur patient it should be fine, my main issue was not knowing what things to avoid/kick and pulling everything at once

[balmy condor]

not running SS

that's pretty troll

[winged basin]

I am running 2 DD 3 NP

[balmy condor]

you get more restealths than in m+

SS is basically required

[drifting cloud]

thats dogshit

[winged basin]

k

😐

[drifting cloud]

you have 3 traits that do 0 dmg for 80% of the vision

[balmy condor]

ye

[drifting cloud]

and 2 that are only st

[woeful minnow]

np is great for visions what are you saying

the build for like the first 2 months was ss/np

[balmy condor]

yes but he's running 3np and no SS

and I assume VoP major?

[winged basin]

So DD is dog, and I need to find ss

[balmy condor]

you should find SS anyway

[winged basin]

and no I have r3 CLF and r2 bote

[balmy condor]

for m+

and exsang

which do you run in visions tho

[winged basin]

r2 bote

is what I have been using for like everything

[arctic walrus]

yikes

[balmy condor]

yeah that's probably the way

[drifting cloud]

you can respec inside

breath on trash, clf on bosses

[arctic walrus]

you might as well just play outlaw

[balmy condor]

but that's mega not ideal

[drifting cloud]

or something

[balmy condor]

yeah breath just all the way tbh

if you're not bursting bosses anyway

with 0 SS traits

[steel ridge]

Purification Protocol for Visions!

[winged basin]

I only have r2 breath also aha 10k/12k for revered

[balmy condor]

definitely not purification

get that garbage out of here

the fk

[drifting cloud]

pp minor is good

[woeful minnow]

you should definitely have pp minor in visions

[drifting cloud]

major debatable

[balmy condor]

yeah minor good

major tho

y iiiiiiiiiii kes

wait you don't have r3 breath either?

[winged basin]

not yety

[steel ridge]

Why? It annihilates, literally

[balmy condor]

so you're just omega undergeared

[woeful minnow]

if you have an outlaw set I'd recommend just running that

[balmy condor]

cause PP major is a terrible choice

[woeful minnow]

then switch to assass ST for like, shaw, rexxar and alleria

[winged basin]

I guess so lol, wasnt aware it was that bad

[balmy condor]

It's just not as good as Bote, breath

I think iris major could be better as well in theory

but I have no data for that

[drifting cloud]

just get azerite

rest is whatever

[latent field]

I use pp major in visions

[drifting cloud]

youre losing so much time on trash because of your azerite traits

[balmy condor]

yuck

[latent field]

[balmy condor]

pp major is indeed omegaweirdchamp

[latent field]

The stun is great imo

[steel ridge]

I am not so sure... PP is perfect

[drifting cloud]

its fine, it stuns does some dmg

[balmy condor]

but its like

[drifting cloud]

but its definetly not the best or even 2nd best choice

[steep plover]

I run 3x ss 2x eb and 1x hod for visions

[latent field]

And you can place it anywhere don’t have to worry about your positioning

[balmy condor]

yeah

like just cause it does something

doesn't mean its great

[steep plover]

But then ill switch to my 3x ss and 3x hod when going for a boss

[latent field]

I mean I massively overgear visions so I’d rather have the stun these days

[drifting cloud]

well when stuff dies from half of your garrote you dont have to stun it

[balmy condor]

yeah

If you massively overgear visions you don't need a stun

[latent field]

I use it to pull a lot

[balmy condor]

I mean bote+eb does that too

[steep plover]

Ye iron wire ss garrote, legit theyre silenced then dead before they cast

[latent field]

Meh I’d rather have a ranged aoe to supplement my kit in visions

[balmy condor]

and that's fine, you can have that opinion and that flavour

[latent field]

You can also pull tons of stuff mounted and pop it

[balmy condor]

but it definitely ain't a holy grail

[latent field]

I think I’m choosing wisely

[drifting cloud]

yes but you can literally do that with iris

more dmg - stun

regardless, everything works because theyre not that hard

[distant lava]

you pick that flavour that makes you glow queen

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-boss-gettin-it-done-yes-honey-yes-sassy-gif-13412357

[drifting cloud]

but yeah since the guy was asking for advice because he hasnt actually done one

and he doesnt have breath r3 or bote r3, then I guess it would be between iris or pp major or maybe Im even forgeting some even more niche essence

[latent field]

I know, just had to defend big pp major

[balmy condor]

props for defending big pp

[steep plover]

We love big pp here

[balmy condor]

truly a king

[drifting cloud]

I mean I definetly remember doing a few of them with pp major

[steep plover]

But also small pp

[drifting cloud]

I just dont remember if they were even 5 masks because it was so long ago

[drifting cosmos]

This is a long discussion about vision

[winged basin]

Guess I will work on my build. got a lot to do aha

[balmy condor]

difficult solo content man

gotta optimize hard

someone DM koji, we need vision sims

[minor spade]

god learning this new rotation for the SS build and im feeling like my DPS is regressing :/

[steel ridge]

yeah if you fuck it up you suffer much more than with TB

Opinions on Racing Pulse?

[balmy condor]

decent

[steel ridge]

since its on sale right now, is it worth to complement a full stack of expedient or just stack more expedient?

[arctic walrus]

no you shoudln't really be buying a rp

[steel ridge]

only choose it if its already there, decent?

[arctic walrus]

simmable at that point

[whole canyon]

is there a spot in any of the guides where it shows a good % of stat you should be at for different situations, even tho it is kinda changed by what build and azerite stuff u have, just curious

[rigid eagle]

@whole canyon you mean 34% crit?

[whole canyon]

well like for mastery haste crit

[distant lava]

there isn't

because that's stupid

[whole canyon]

D:

[winged basin]

I KILLED ALL 4 WINGS ON 5 MASK AFTER SWITCHING TO SS

HOPEFULLY I BEAT THRALLS ASS : )

[distant lava]

I'm sorry but it's just true

[steep plover]

I KILLED ALL 4 WINGS ON 5 MASK AFTER SWITCHING TO SS
@winged basin GET IT BRAH

[whole canyon]

idgi, like i know for mythic+ you wanna run certain stats but like is there a point where you want to stop stacking a certain stat and grab another like say with gems and such?

[winged basin]

Okokokok, do yall kill boars when fighting thrall or just pop drums and beat his dick in?

[distant lava]

depends on your gear

[steep plover]

Just hit each target with a garrote

[arctic walrus]

how many people do you want to tell you the same thing

[distant lava]

killing boars is safer

[arctic walrus]

there are no stat breakpoints

[steep plover]

I hit the boars and then thrall with my ss and then focus thrall and they usually die by the time i pop bote

[winged basin]

okokok thanks pals, will let you know how it goes!

[distant lava]

I just ignore the boars

[whole canyon]

1 person "told" me and was just asking a simple question that i hadnt really seen anywhere sorry for askin :D

[winged basin]

I FUCKING DID IT BOYS LETS GO

[steep plover]

Its hard to know what specific amount of stats u cause it varies alot per person cause not everyone is wearing the same gear or using the same things u know

LESS GOO

[steel ridge]

TB/PB vs. Exs./CT sims with a 15 dps difference on my character even tho my Bleed Gear is down 40 itemlevels 😮

[distant lava]

40 ?

[steel ridge]

yeah only got a 450 headpiece with SS/HoD and shoulders are 465

residuumvendor is a bitch to me

[distant lava]

oh you mean 40 total

[steel ridge]

yeah 40 in total on two pieces of gear... not 40 average xD that would be kinda insane

[winged basin]

I got a 470 crit haste belt with a socket hehehehehehe, cant wait to do this on stormwind..

[hearty crane]

For exsang build warcraftlogs tells me to go Plumage(465)+Vita, but sims says Dice(475+socket)+vita is better. Anyone can tell me which is better?

[balmy condor]

sims are right

[hearty crane]

Roger that

[balmy condor]

the socket + the fact that its 475 make it stronger

just more stats

[steel ridge]

the selling point of plumage for me is that you can macro it to vendetta and be consistent

[balmy condor]

dice is pretty consistent

[steel ridge]

i didnt say its not

[balmy condor]

its got like a 30% uptime

but plumage does line up on command with burst

[steel ridge]

its just when you exsanguinate, you got that 12 second window where you want as much proccs as possible, right?

[balmy condor]

sure

[steel ridge]

it´d be a pity if the dame dice wouldnt roll during that window

same with humming black dragonscale vs. vita

[balmy condor]

it honestly doesn't really make that much of a difference

vita makes a little bitof a difference

[steel ridge]

vita has massive stats, but the scale is online 24/7

[balmy condor]

but trinket uptimes and when and where they proc isn't that huge tbh

that's why you still see the odd harlans

on use trinkets are strong cause you get the control over it, but harlans and stuff still keeps up just because they're good

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[steel ridge]

i like harlans, its alot of stats and sin scales pretty good with all stats, unlike outlaw

same with elemental whirl

[balmy condor]

ye

I also like harlans

but the on-use is just too strong

never got a 475 harlans

[steel ridge]

my only 475 trinket is the humming scale... and suprisingly it sims 250 dps above vita shard

[balmy condor]

too bad vita is a must-use

[steel ridge]

for the group buff?

[balmy condor]

yeah

the group buff more than makes up for that 250 dps you're losing

[steel ridge]

how does that thing work anyway... does it stack in a raid scenario where everyone uses it? may i have multiple group buffs?

[balmy condor]

I don't think so

I think it refreshes duration

but stacking would be crazy

I can't imagine that being a thing

[steel ridge]

does it only apply to your own raid party (4 people) or the whole raid?

[balmy condor]

all group members

so it'll do the whole raid I think

[steel ridge]

so overkill when 20 people use it

[balmy condor]

actually hold on

might be in your party

I'm double checking with logs right now

it's gotta be radius or maximum members or something of the sort

cause not everyone is getting the procs from everyone else

I never really thought about it too much, I just let it happen

yeah

confirmed party

not whole raid

[cobalt pelican]

it's just party and each vita is a unique buff with no interaction with any other buff

[balmy condor]

Does that mean it can stack?

[cobalt pelican]

you can have several up at once yeah

they don't extend the duration of each other or anything like that though

[balmy condor]

Wow

I thought blizz would’ve made it refresh the duration instead of stack

Haven’t we had problems like this before with raid buffs stacking to craziness

I wanna say WoD had something like that

[cobalt pelican]

even if you have all 4 party members on you at the same time it's only just over 1k haste and since there's nothing like soulburn soulswap in wow anymore or much snapshotting in general it never really runs into issues

[steel ridge]

wow if it stacks its really no contest

[balmy condor]

Yeah I guess it’s not crazy enough to cause problems

[steel ridge]

yeah but if your raid lead puts the haste classes into the same group its stronk

[umbral rapids]

TIL

[steel ridge]

"only just over 1k haste"

yeah make it almost 2k with all that expedients

which is "only 30% haste in total"

just a drums, nothing major^^

[balmy condor]

I mean

It has to all proc at once for that

[steel ridge]

speaking of drums, does expedient increase bloodlust haste?

[balmy condor]

And that’s not 30% haste in total

Cause people be sitting at like 5k haste in town

And all the other haste procs we get, Iris, formless, quick nav, the actual vita proc, etc

That brings us way higher

So 1k haste isn’t really a full 30% omegapog

I also don’t think exped affects drums

That would be actually dumb

[steel ridge]

you think alot today

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Thinking is what I do

I just suck at it

[steel ridge]

let me just sacrifice one drum for the sake of science

[balmy condor]

And then one of the greenies show up like fairy or vel

And theyre like

Nah fam u silly

[steel ridge]

apparently it does

[balmy condor]

And then we all learn something

:)

[steel ridge]

i got 59,25% haste unbuffed

pop drums and i am at 99,06%

[umbral rapids]

D:

[steel ridge]

drums should only be 25%

[balmy condor]

How much exped%?

[steel ridge]

57% right now

which checks out

[rigid eagle]

60% haste should be like rank 15 exped or something right

[balmy condor]

39% from drums then

Yeah

That checks out

[steel ridge]

39,25% from drums

[balmy condor]

Mad stupid

[umbral rapids]

Should check the value. I assumed expedient increased flat haste bonus

[balmy condor]

That’s actually silly

[steel ridge]

and please for the love of god stop with that "rank 15" cause the math doesnt check out if someone uses something that is not 12%

[umbral rapids]

But yeah that checks out

Yeah should speak in %

[steel ridge]

use the actual % instead

[balmy condor]

It’s fine in that case

Cause 24 is only possible with exped3’s

But still kek

[umbral rapids]

Lmao

[steel ridge]

if i buy 12x Rank 1 instead of 6x rank 3 i have the same exp but only T12 instead of T18

possible or not, its just bad for comparison

[arctic walrus]

carry on whispyr i'm just here observing 🙂

[rigid eagle]

wait do we have 12 slots lol

[steel ridge]

no we dont

[arctic walrus]

9

[rigid eagle]

counting isn't one of my strengths xD

[balmy condor]

Oh I’ll carry on even if you’re not observing

My mouth is full of stupid sauce

It doesn’t stop for anything

[steel ridge]

since we are energy capping like crazy in bloodlust, a honed mind T3 shouldnt be too bad i guess

[shy dust]

This is where you take a sim into an account

To see what’s the best corruption to add

[balmy condor]

Yeah

That