"i mean i got like 500 points over like a long weekend"
#assassination
rigid eagle
is that rly choking lol
tropic ocean
but what do you want to tell
tropic ocean
yeah ?
depending on how much u play
u can do 2k to 4k
0 to 2k
0 to 3k
no clue what you want to express
rigid eagle
pugging? nuts! well played!
shut garnet
ah right so we’re making the distinction that going 500 up is more “pog” the higher rating you go
shut garnet
so where did your +500 take you?
tropic ocean
even 5k+
and actually
if you are at 3k its easier to gain 500 points in a weekend
than if you are at 2k
because you know, the keys give more points
🤷
rigid eagle
went from trying to find a siege key for keystone master to about 2.3k, so im at least not 100% worthless now
tropic ocean
ok but what do you want tot ell
i dont get it
u say ur teams are bad
and you are better
but ur score doesnt reflect it
rigid eagle
i say you run into good and bad people while pugging
tropic ocean
yeah
tropic ocean
u run into good and bad ppl while playing in teams too
u run into good and bad people when leaving your front door
rigid eagle
"i can't possibly tell what my team is gonna need when I don't know if they'll int me lol"
we've circled back to this now
tropic ocean
?????????
no
you just dont understand
you cant know if someone ints or not
but you can see affix, key and class
and base your decision on that
shut garnet
dude there is just a standard m+ build you play unless SPECIFICALLY instructed otherwise
shut garnet
rigid eagle
and the standard build is 3SS + 3EB lol
shut garnet
right, so use that
rigid eagle
@tropic ocean is saying i can drop EB completely just by looking at team comp xD
tropic ocean
yeah u can?
and I did so
all last week
and the week before
and timed every key I joined
🤷
how does people playing bad have something to do
with group comp
rigid eagle
ppl playing bad = ppl not achieving what their comp is supposed to achieve
shut garnet
you keep pointing to the same obvious statement of “there are bad players in pug content”
tropic ocean
and i highly doubt you can even assume that not playing eb is int
rigid eagle
@shut garnet i keep pointing to the fact that it's pretty hard to predict how each run will go
shut garnet
thats the point, you cant predict it because it’s a froup of FOUR RANDOMS
rigid eagle
and so the standard build of some aoe and some single target will be statistically better than specializing for ST with only 3 SS
shut garnet
You’re the only factor thats CONSTANT
tropic ocean
no?
your logic is insanely flawed
because you assume non eb is non aoe
but its not
generic stat traits have value in everything
cleave
aoe
st
while eb has no value in st
rigid eagle
how much does 2 dark hearts and a Blightborne buff your FoK dps tho
crimson palm
tropic ocean
i dont know and it doesnt matter
how much does eb do for you when you pull saurids and skyscreamer
to pad on stuff that dies anyway
while u can also just kill skyscreamer
?
how much value does eb have on packs like augur+confessor
and in value i dont mean overall dps
rigid eagle
"stuff that dies anyway" is sketchy lol
shut garnet
it isnt
rigid eagle
maybe it's cuz i never farmed out my conflict and strife but i've legit had a +15 small dino jump me and instapop my cheat death
rigid eagle
LOL
tropic ocean
if small dino jumps you
rigid eagle
srsly a lot of these little white shits hurt like hell
tropic ocean
you play it wrong
no eb/non eb issue
and not sure how small dino can 1shot in +15
but yea sure
rigid eagle
im legit just standing there hitting the skycreamer and bam my healthbar is gone
tropic ocean
ok ?
shut garnet
point being while playing 3SS3HoD will lead to a lower overall, it’ll do a lot more to prio shit
which might actually benefit your group to timing the key a lot more
than FoKing saurids with 3EB 50crit
so you have a big shiny 5 digit overall
tropic ocean
u have 5digit without eb as well
I did 21 atal yesterday3 ss2hod 1 bbi melting confessor before bl was over
shut garnet
yea i mean the dmg diff isnt even THAT huge anyway
tropic ocean
melting every guard/augur
rigid eagle
i mean if you cant hit 5 digits then you really have to repair your gear lmao
deft obsidian
Ultimately depends on your group setup. AOE tends to be less of an issue in lower keys. So focusing full ST is fine
winter gale
Yo yo
deft obsidian
If no magoo definitely priority target burst is huge
winter gale
How to corectly use CE on single target fights?
shut garnet
CE?
winter gale
CT
winter gale
Hahahaha
tropic ocean
I only did 21 atal and 22 jy last week cuz busy
but played raid build as well
and topped meter in both keys
so not bad per se
and def huge value on nasty packs
not as good as firemage, but similar
winter gale
Refresh it after it expires or a bit sooner? It sims 0.5% better for me
tropic ocean
refresh in pandemic
shut garnet
wow haste build in JY did the zap omegacarry like the outlaw tc mastermind predicted ausr
tropic ocean
unless exsanged
shut garnet
rigid eagle
...and then you go into freehold
tropic ocean
but I personally think atal gets more into it as well
deft obsidian
Yeah running full raid build in JY is mega fun
rigid eagle
when they grab the entire area and lust
shut garnet
but mah FoKs
sullen pagoda
ye you can still do really good with full haste
rigid eagle
how is aoe still 300k?
shut garnet
if u dont 3 garrote ct vanish 3 garrote rup
winter gale
Is there any opener in pins for CT build?
rigid eagle
i think the packs are still just dying too quickly in +17s then
rigid eagle
that's the ideal case
shut garnet
no that is what happens if youre not playing with a boomy and a feral druid
firemage literally hits 1mil dps on the first pull of freehold
rigid eagle
that's the 17+2 UR I was talking about, triple garrote -> BotE -> CT is just standard procedure but never 300k
rigid eagle
ct has a initial hit right
rigid eagle
blood right after garrote gives the crit stuff the most uptime
sullen pagoda
i mean you wont beat a good fire mage that is being played around with any class except hunter maybe @shut garnet
rigid eagle
and also buffs the aoe hit a bit
shut garnet
yeah obviously, the goal is never to beat the firemage though
rigid eagle
triple garrote into blood of the enemy isn't how it works
shut garnet
you never triple garrote into blood
you dont wanna waste fok casts in the first 5 blood gcds
lol
rigid eagle
@tropic ocean 0/3 EB is why im salty about azerites dude
tropic ocean
but then also
shut garnet
you still dont do that
tropic ocean
you would ct>bote>fok
shut garnet
tropic ocean
and as said
you don't need ebs
at all
my friend pushed 3.5k and he has no eb azerite too
rigid eagle
wait can u link me ur sim
tropic ocean
not sure how my sim will help u
crimson palm
are you suspecting that better geared people will actually do more damage?
tropic ocean
from what you write from my pov
its more of an gameplay/understanding thing
your opener is already wrong
so is many things you write about m+
steep plover
Oi does the specific chest piece matter if the azeritr traits are the same? It should right
steep plover
Life if i have ss and eb
tropic ocean
???
rigid eagle
ur legit like 10 ilvls higher than me lmfao
tropic ocean
and??
rigid eagle
is that not a significant gap somehow..
tropic ocean
i legit have no clue what you are trying toa rgue
to argue or say
ilvl is not something that matters a big lot
and especially not at these lvls
I pushed this rogue to 3k before corruption vendor
dark crag
Neck lvl matters more
tropic ocean
with 465 azerite
🤷
dps generally is most of the time not a big issue in keys itself
and rarely the thing that depletes your key
or at least for me I didn't have a key yet where I thought afterwards damn, if we had 3k more dps we would've timed
because even if as you said hunter doing 50k dps
if all 3 ur dps do 50k dps and you play clean
you'll time 17
steep plover
When do u reckon u shoukd play the ss+eb build? Like kr and ws right?
rigid eagle
wait but 3 months ago you were playing 3 eb lmao
steep plover
Shouldnt*
tropic ocean
yeah
because I didn't have access to targeted corruptions
lol
@steep plover eb has little value in keys like kr/ws because pulls are small/little amount of trash
so yeah
steep plover
Easy
tropic ocean
I still play ss eb I just change it when needed depending on group and dungeon and affix
as said
and yeah obviously months ago when I pushed I just played what I had
cuz there was no vendor
steep plover
I finally got a chest with eb and ss today how good 😍
kind edge
Hey guys, can someone send me a link of their armory to check their ST assassination build?
I see some things are changed, people use exsanguinate now and some traits might be changed
tropic ocean
Ye
steep plover
Pins have the build
steep plover
Why the fuck are youse still fighting over builds lmao
cunning needle
i forgot what the original arguement was about lmao
tropic ocean
Ive no clue what youre trYing to say
rigid eagle
just that i feel like 3 EB + 3 SS along with the targeted corruptions
could've pushed a bit further in 3 months lol
tropic ocean
idk if u are trolling
Why u trying to teach me
I couldve probably pushed more y but I prefered to push dh
kind edge
You guys don't use Twisted Knife anymore?
deft obsidian
Come back from a breakfast. The lads are still going 😂
deft obsidian
Becoming top popcorn now
rigid eagle
so i guess my next step to improving is to stop looking at subcreation's site
tropic ocean
Ur next step to improving is
Fix attitude
Learn dungeons
Then worry about azerite
distant lava
Yeah they timed it despite having an assa rogue 
sullen pagoda
madlads
cunning needle
no DJ it's about having a can-do attitude and never giving up!
friendship always finds a way
rigid eagle
i really should stop looking at top builds then
distant lava
I mean you can't get a group if you have a shit attitude, but yeah I agree
rigid eagle
its leading me astray
tropic ocean
Morningwind was top assa rogue playing hidden blades
Therefore hiddenblades is top talent
Right
kind edge
Can you use poison bomb instead of Crimson Tempest?
tropic ocean
Yes
distant lava
Wait aus
kind edge
Thanks Aus
distant lava
Thats not how it goes ?
balmy blade
😄
distant lava
rigid eagle
@tropic ocean is morningwind 40% of the top clears?
that's actually a legit question
rigid eagle
not familiar with top players, just a blind metasheep
tropic ocean
?
distant lava
you're the gift that keeps on giving aren't you
rigid eagle
obviously that's leading somewhere, so pls elaborate
kind edge
@tropic ocean You referred to me right? I can use poison bomb instead of Crimson Tempest?
Like in the good old days
tropic ocean
yea
crimson palm
quasi pewter
tol dagor propably
rigid eagle
"is morningwind 40% of the top clears" was my question
tropic ocean
no hes not
rigid eagle
yeah that means he's an outlier right
tropic ocean
idk?
rigid eagle
statistically he's an anomaly, normal people don't clear with his specific build
tropic ocean
so
rigid eagle
and statistically speaking the build that makes up 40% of the top clears is probably going to work best for an average player?
tropic ocean
the site you linked
basically reflects 1:1 what I said
even though you still dont understand it
m+ is no static environment
you do what your group needs
I highly doubt its playing exsang master poisoner hidden blades, but to each its own
rigid eagle
what you said that it is possible to push high without EB, what I'm trying to say, maybe poorly, is that EB build is gonna make the push way easier
tropic ocean
and you base that
sullen pagoda
Not really depending on affixes and key
tropic ocean
on that 40% play eb for the top keys
cunning needle
i mean it sounds like you're both right 
rigid eagle
"1200 Assassination Rogue M+ logs"
out of 1200 ppl clearing from 18 to 28, 40% of them used 3 EB
sullen pagoda
i mean
cunning needle
yeah but for KR - EB wouldn't be as good right?
rigid eagle
or 1200 clears done by less people
tropic ocean
so we have a very inflated statistic
- we also dont have logs for the top m+ players
but yeah sure
sullen pagoda
if you go by 18s all the DHs should play some bote fel barage tos trinket always
rigid eagle
that's actually a good point, but what even counts at top sin M+ lol
are the ppl pushing to 30 actually taking sin rogues?
or is like 28 the highest this spec goes
tropic ocean
so it shows
sin 3 ss 3 eb
+28
but theres only 2 logged +28 assa rogue dungeons
junkyard and siege
and the siege is hard deplete
and in the junkyard 28
the guy played
0 eb*
rigid eagle
link we the jy 28 lol im not seeing it
rigid eagle
wait but that's 3 eb
rigid eagle
but that's ALSO 3 eb..
cunning needle
it almost looks like he's changing up his build for which dungeon he runs?
rigid eagle
but even in this dynamic environment, EB doesnt seem to change?
strange python
I’m new to discord , where are the pins located for bleed build
rigid eagle
he's changing up fookin everything aside from EB lmao
tropic ocean
lol
strange python
Sweet thanks
sullen pagoda
that toldagor build looks like a big memer
tropic ocean
one more interesting fact
taht eb guy
played outlaw
for parts of the dungeon
so wait
sullen pagoda
oh ye
sullen pagoda
he just started the key as assa
cunning needle
lol what
tropic ocean
mhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
tropic ocean
very meaningful statistic
rigid eagle
lol so he legit picked sin for the EB?
tropic ocean
surprise
sullen pagoda
mate
rigid eagle
tropic ocean
eb is good when u pull 30 mobs
sullen pagoda
have u ever seen how they do start of toldagor or u trolling @rigid eagle
xD
its legit 50 mobs
rigid eagle
@sullen pagoda i have lol, that's sorta the point
sullen pagoda
and where else would u see that magnitude of pull that makes EB giga over SS?
rigid eagle
freehold start
tropic ocean
lol
rigid eagle
im not sure about motherload
sullen pagoda
not even half
tropic ocean
name one dungeon where u can pull that big
oh yeah
sots can pull all plobs
true
tos conscript room
too
rigid eagle
"that big" as in pulling the exact same number of mobs
cunning needle
KR with all those shadow mobs at the start!
rigid eagle
or pulling like 4 packs at a time?
sullen pagoda
that big as anywhere close to that amount of mobs
tropic ocean
which dungeons pack
sullen pagoda
which is
tropic ocean
have the mob count
sullen pagoda
nowhere
tropic ocean
of tol dagor entrance
tropic ocean
maybe plobs in kr
rigid eagle
maggots in waycrest LOL
sullen pagoda
you dont gimp yourself for whole dungeon for 1 meme pull
even maggots arent that many unless you miss kicks pretty sure
tropic ocean
he played 3 eb
for the first 2min of the dungeon
and influences a whole statistic
for 27 key
not bad
rigid eagle
interesting how he switched to outlaw after the pulls got smaller tho
tropic ocean
yeah
bleak spoke
you play sin at the start of tol because you need a slow
tropic ocean
so with that log u want to tell us
we should play raden weapon and blackwater weapon?
bleak spoke
there's no other pull like that in the game
tropic ocean
so he did 73k dps overall
while completely gimping his boss dps
while u can just do more overall
and not gimping your boss dps
rigid eagle
but he timed a 27...
sullen pagoda
i mean you can time a 27 with sub rogue also when you have a mage destroying every pack
doesnt mean sub is good
tropic ocean
yeah
bleak spoke
i mean that team litearlly exists to enable the mage
tropic ocean
u r just trolling
he does what his team needs to function
something I try to hammer into your brain since 2 hours
bleak spoke
which is applying a slow to mobs
tropic ocean
and yes his build works when u have a mage that does x2 ur dps on bosses
cunning needle
how the fuck you working when laughing every 10 seconds
bleak spoke
tropic ocean
just play raden weap
folly
full eb
and blast
cuz thats how u time 27s
oh and pray that u have 180k dps mage
bleak spoke
i mean i might as well do that right https://www.twitch.tv/zallanin/clip/OriginalAnnoyingSandwichDancingBanana?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time
like my damage clearly doesn't matter at all
tropic ocean
combooooooooost
rigid eagle
and im still really just not getting why this man would need to build 3 EB when its the mage doing all the dmg, does the echoes also apply slow?
bleak spoke
no but you have consistent aoe
tropic ocean
man
they just keep chaining big packs all the time
so overall yes he will do more
tropic ocean
they also pull packs
into boss too
they pull pack+double obelisk into last boss
gl doing that
rigid eagle
bigger pulls to make the time right
tropic ocean
in your pug
bleak spoke
honestly the guy he should probably just play 1 ss 2 ttk
and just play envenom funnel with taht setup
he has no haste for exsang anyway lmao
tropic ocean
idk just cba anymore
play 3 ss 3eb
when ur key sucks blame ur team
and gl in shadowlands
tropic ocean
raid build
tropic ocean
original argument was to play what your team needs
bleak spoke
ah
rigid eagle
i thought my original argument was that the standard 3 EB build is more widely applicable and therefore better
bleak spoke
well that should be a prior assumption to any discussion of gear in keys yeah
sullen pagoda
being able to adapt your build to what your party needs is legit only good side of sin rogue
sullen pagoda
if you want to use 1 build total just play outlaw then @rigid eagle
tropic ocean
needs it/works with it
bleak spoke
it honestly just depends on your comp
rigid eagle
ah im going in circles now
bleak spoke
there's no general answer
tropic ocean
you never left your circle
bleak spoke
to what you should play
rigid eagle
pugging in the low 2ks is never knowing what sort of team you're going into, but I have to play different builds to support the team
tropic ocean
the rio doesnt matter
rigid eagle
in order to climb out of low 2k
tropic ocean
you can see your team comp
and in order to climb out of 2k
u need to play good
learn the classes
bleak spoke
i mean in low keys it doesn't matter what you play as long as you don't scuff
sullen pagoda
because dungeons where AoE isnt as important playing raid like build will benefit you more
sullen pagoda
like killing bosses faster leaves less room for error
tropic ocean
instead of constantly arguing against them
bleak spoke
if you want to climb out of there with your own two hands so to speak, you play outlaw you learn what literally every cast sequence on every mob is and you "fix" the dungeon with your cc
otherwise just hit buttons and don't make obvious mistakes you'll climb over time?
sullen pagoda
you 100% wont deplete an 18 from lack of aoe damage cuz u went raid build instead of 3x eb crit stack
bleak spoke
^
bleak spoke
you won't even deplete a 24 like that
tropic ocean
but I can't 100% say that cuz i only did up to 22s
i dont deplete many keys but all the depletes are
mechanic failures
bleak spoke
at 25 it starts becoming tighter i feel
tropic ocean
wipes
never dmg
in 22 atal we went last boss
with almost 8 min left
and deplete it
bleak spoke
but even then the damage is usually the last enemy to be defeated
bleak spoke
it's not scuffing and not having your tank randomly fall over and then after that it's your route not being dog
bleak spoke
lmao
tropic ocean
basically never dmg issue in any key
depelete 22sots
cuz 2nd boss cleave party fiesta
bleak spoke
to be fair if it's being tanked on the side
dps/healer should have the courtesy to actaully look
at the only thing that can wipe them
tropic ocean
dmg is so irrelevant most of the time
bleak spoke
kinda makes me angry when tanks apologize for "pointing the cleave bad"
in that situation
tropic ocean
due to outgearing
tropic ocean
at least for non top keys
like that 22 jy yesterday
paladin dps was floorpov all dungeon
bleak spoke
imagine making your homies immune to tornados
tropic ocean
and still almost 5min under time
bleak spoke
and having ppl complain about the cleave
bleak spoke
^
tropic ocean
dunno when they changed it
but he just fixes it on a location now
and before he was doing it while moving
iirc
bleak spoke
yeh
cunning needle
ausrr what minor essences do you use
bleak spoke
that's the key bit though yeah
tropic ocean
for what
bleak spoke
its literally whether ppl are paying attention
tropic ocean
usually
vision breath iris/conflict
iris in stuff like atal kr or ws
where i dont do a lot of target swapping and can keep the buff up
cunning needle
no lucid dreams?
bleak spoke
this is in raid build
tropic ocean
nope
cunning needle
though i suppose you have high enough haste
cunning needle
bote as major yeh?
tropic ocean
y
bleak spoke
bote slams in keys
tropic ocean
too lazy
bleak spoke
insane opening burst on cleave packs
formal willow
is gushing wounds unnerfed? herodamage lists it as best corruption again
warped panther
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vJnoJ8HH2sEbJUr51zPJ4j is this my best sim currently, or I am missing something?
Can you help me somehow push a little bit more or thats my limit currently?
hidden bay
wheres the wago links
steep plover
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
calm lily
you didnt sim formless void right?
warped panther
No I didnt
warped panther
but best sim is with iris?
calm lily
and i think you need to sim mastery gems aswell
warped panther
hm let me try that ok
manic pebble
it's so hard to get gorak tul's mantle from arzerite random shoulder 😦
harsh flume
Still pretty new to rogue. but is there a recommended amount of Crit / mastery i should aim for when running full rank 3 Expedient?
calm lily
its easy you buy it first week and get it 😄
calm lily
i mean the first week you could buy rnd pieces
cunning grove
Just started gearing alt as ass, just I just be hoarding exp 3 for when i have decent gear?
manic pebble
just slap exp 3 on the pieces than you think it's gonna stay with you for a long time
vestal granite
I was tearing my hairs out yesterday but couldnt get enough echoes for honed mind 3 >:_<
Turns out I had a 470 belt with hm3 on it on my bank 
manic pebble
2 weeks ago I made a big mistake
bought wrong corruption and didn't check it
until it was too late
vestal granite
last week I grinded like a shitton of echoes to buy vers3
late into tuesday night
and forgot to buy it
XD
oh well
which one did you buy? leech? avoidance?
manic pebble
I bought deadly momentum instead of expedient 3
I realized it when I was trying to apply it on my gear lol
brave river
I'm new to assassin; around 445 ilvl, does anyone have any tips and advice for increasing my dps/essences/traits. Basically starting from scratch learning!
vestal granite
Does anyone have an approximate breakpoint for when I will use Crimson Tempest over Poison Bomb in Single target?
with exsang of
runic tinsel
no
vast forum
exact breakpoint is when it starts simming better
you can start using it a bit earlier than that on bosses that move and have more cleave
steel ferry
Given ct scales of both mastery and haste, it's hard give a proper approximation
vestal granite
my sims telling me its a -1.5k dps on ST but thats a small loss for increased flexibility im
vast forum
1.5k isn't small
vestal granite
yea it is^^
vast forum
use it then
vestal granite
just wondering beceuase I swear I read something somewhere about ct catching up but might be mistaken
wet ruin
can you post your sim @vestal granite
red plaza
haste is still too low, I wanna say it's ~ 50% base where CT will overtake PB in ST
ebon heath
Guys did you farm 25k residuum for gorak tuls or just buyrng shoulders ?
red plaza
I got em on my 8th shoulder gamble right after I main swapped to Mage XD
ebon heath
Im trying to build around expedient but im still getting DD pieces 😦
crimson palm
roll it, mechagon shoulders are also fine
manic pebble
the chance is 1/7 if you wanna risk it 😄
crimson palm
and so are ilgy
red plaza
ilgynoth shoulders are good too
slim estuary
Hey, so I’m still new and trying to get a raid spot in my guild again. I need to get some expedient but I don’t want to use my tokens on trash gear that I’ll replace fast. Is the boe ring decent? It’s crit haste?
wet ruin
@vestal granite sorry for the delay, but you are running Twist the Knife, there is no way CT sims better since the APL simply does not use CT if you have 1 or more TTK traits
wet ruin
but you are also missing A LOT of sockets
vestal granite
yea they are all on my pvp gear xd
wet ruin
also HoD is very good in giving you stats, so if you fix your azerite and get more sockets it will start simming better
vast forum
galecaller/coral is a pretty awkward combo to play
minor thicket
ya i wont be using that
vast forum
plumage is the most convenient trinket to use, but it doesn't sim the highest for most people
minor thicket
right now im using harlans and galecaller
vast forum
it's the highest consistent combo
if you can't get full use from galecaller, plumage is better
minor thicket
i was just so pumped to get plummage and its not simming well
i still need the Vita
vast forum
you shouldn't only look at sims tho
slim estuary
Sims will tell you what the ideal thing is, but life isn’t ideal
minor thicket
generally what pairs well with plummage?
vast forum
vita
you should always wear a mythic vita when you get it
even if a some point it sims slightly lower than another trinket, it buffs your entire party
minor thicket
ya were running raden again tonight so hopefully i get some luck
would dragonscale and plummage work well over galecaller and harlan dice?
vast forum
it would be more consistent
slim estuary
Is boe ring any good in the absence of anything else? Trying to get a raid spot but I only came back a couple weeks ago. Need a good piece to put a exp3 on
vast forum
it's not bad
but mechagon ring set is much better
so i wouldn't recomment putting exp3 on it
south nest
hello everyone, Today i just got the mechagon ring in the weekly chest gs 475 with 439 crit. Should i change the one with the 465 ring
Ring GS 475 with socket and Surging Vitality II corruption and the ring bonus activates when I am under 50%.
Ring GS 465 Strikethrough III Bonus activates when I stand behind the enemy
Unfortunately, at the moment I only get the bonus with the poison. The Haste Bonus is not yet dropped
Unfortunately I don't get smarter with Simcraft either. Can anyone help me? Thank u 😄
vestal granite
Whats the pandemic for Rupture + DS again? How many seconds left
shrewd night
@south nest Thats why we have tools to figure those things out for us, so we dont have to take a strangers word on the internet.
wet ruin
@vestal granite its not a set number, it depends on what cp rupture you are applying, but 30% from that
balmy condor
@south nest thats a sim question
fervent jasper
How many targets is it when Fok>mut?
balmy condor
Just make one
balmy condor
With eb you fok on 2
fervent jasper
wait now im even more confused
at 6-7 there's no way youre using envenom
with EB traits
is there a point where CT>FoK with EB?
i wouldnt think so I usually just keep the CT DoT up in big AoE and spam FoK but i could be doing it wrong
balmy condor
That’s the CT rule the APL uses
Idk about just straight fok
Usually do it by feel tbh
Can’t find anything about it either
south nest
Okay, I'm gonna sim it again. What exactly do you sim for myth +. Hectic cleave?
balmy condor
@fleet anchor help we’re confused about CT and EB and I’m blind and can’t find documentation on it
Dungeon slice usually
M+ is difficult to sim for because of the variation from dungeon to dungeon
So take it as a guideline, not as gospel
south nest
okay Thank u 😄
shy axle
any tipps how to maximize dmg on wrathion with the 3dd build? How do you handle the spine phase? I dont like the fight but i want to try to do it as good as possible. Cds only on boss or do you use it on the spines?
viral aurora
Multibleed a couple on your way to outer part of platform, find a loner spike and just ST it
haughty hollow
@shy axle use vision of perfection so you get vendetta twice before down phase. Try finding a group of spikes to FoK for fast combo points. Put up dots and move on to another target. Or FoK- envenom spam.
young vessel
guys u got any tips for mythic nzoth with that build?
whats best spot for me and where to burn
balmy condor
Pump n’zoth
Is basically the tldr of the whole fight
There’s not really any 400 IQ plays
young vessel
should i just first vendetta the basher in the beginning?
and which psychus is better to line up shit
balmy condor
You should vendetta n’zoth
Bote Minor is fine, but you should be running bote major on 90% of fights
So you get the double
Dropping memory is fairly normal for high gear levels
Usually for formless
fallen bone
Is there an alternative to formless? It's uptime was 70-80% on our pulls. Summing at that level was showing a dps decrease so I have been keeping memory.
strange python
idk just sim it
vast forum
if you're using blood major, breath and lucid minor, last slot is between CNS and formless usually
plucky epoch
is the bleed build better than standard poison for the most part in raids/single target
vast forum
with high-end gear, yes
plucky epoch
what about for like around 455 ilv
vast forum
probably not
lone junco
If you have to ask, they are probably about the same.
vast forum
nah, DD build should be strictly better at lower gear levels
lone junco
The rotation for exang is still really good. And better if you can ever cleave.
vast forum
SS build relies on a lot of endgame items and expedient corruptions
lone junco
And 480 is 480. Some times you just don't get lucky from the vendor.
Well you can still run exang with vigor if you don't have the huge haste right? Or does it go from -10% to +10%
lone junco
If the bloodlust is at like t= 0:09 I would.
strange python
ok tyvm
lone junco
Not for t = 2:30
Out lust is always sloppy and late.
Exang then lust is not something the sim will ever do. But it's def not good.
The vendetta is used. The SS is ticking. You can hold trinket exang bote for a few seconds.
On shad I still have to yell LUST LUST LUST. eventually we get one.
And we have 3 shamans and a mage.
mortal trail
dose anybody knows how to add items on top gear
balmy condor
I steal the code from gear compare
spark olive
Is there a min num of mastery we should keep, I am trying to sim 475 legs basically equal crit/haste same haste as the 470 w/mastery i have but show as a decent loss even with the same expedient on them.
strange python
what about crit tho
ebon heath
Im at 68%haste and PB + TB still beats CT + Exanguinate
balmy condor
Exsang depends a lot of azerite too
ebon heath
It's maybe because my only SS is on 465 ilvl piece
balmy condor
Yeah without SS traits exsang isn’t gonna beat a poison setup
ebon heath
Yeah but the weird thing here is that uses deeper stratagem instead of Vigor
Big envenoms
balmy condor
Yeah
Makes sense
You’re still stacking exped
Vigor/DS doesn’t have anything directly to do with TB or exsang
balmy condor
Yeah
floral shoal
On shad I still have to yell LUST LUST LUST. eventually we get one.
@lone junco macro drums to trinket and tell them it's gonna be 25% if they are late
slate shore
hello , i just loot my razor coral , but when in my rota i need to use it?
fleet anchor
I mean there is a point where FoK is better than Envenom but CT seems like it would be hard to beat since they both scale with the number of targets
tropic ocean
use asap
use again with vendetta
repeat
ct is better than fok
it has indefinete scaling
while fok is capped
balmy condor
So fok -> CT spam?
tropic ocean
no
balmy condor
I thought the insta damage from CT sucks
tropic ocean
but at 15+targets
balmy condor
Just uptime
fleet anchor
At high target counts FoK->CT spam is actually kinda absurd damage
tropic ocean
cuz each target gets individual dot
tropic ocean
I logged it some time ago in shrine
where iris major difference
15-20 targets
was <100k total dmg
due to target capt
15->20targets
balmy condor
Are there any target numbers I can tell people
fleet anchor
But I dunno, just do whatever lol
fleet anchor
I'm lucky if I ever see that many targets 😄
We pulled everything in Temple the other day and even one cast of CT was such an absurd about of damage it was actually hilarious, wasn't running EB at the time though
tropic ocean
yeah
its after 10 targets where it starts dring
iirc
but u can test it very fast by just entering sots with logs
and beam into first group
balmy condor
So to be clear, fok->ct not fok fok fok
tropic ocean
and then in 2nd group
ebon heath
Do you guys apply rupture on targets or just spam CT?
balmy condor
3 bleeds
tropic ocean
yeah
quartz ember
at what duration should i refresh CT?
balmy condor
In pandemic for ST
next solar
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9hSutsbbhCCJ8PKUmjakpX gonna have to go with this, since tendie rng fucking hates me
balmy condor
Seems fine
next solar
how different of a playstyle is it compared to the MA DD crit build
balmy condor
It’s just better :)
next solar
will need to sim weights too, im sure my stats aren't ideal
next solar
oh really? so just highest ilvl with socket essentially? maybe besides verse
sick oyster
Well if you go for certain setups you know what you are aiming for but for sims weights change with ever piece / gem / etc you use
next solar
true
balmy condor
If you try and follow stat weights
You’ll re-gem everything
Sim it again
And it’ll tell you to change everything again
It’s just not useful information
next solar
true
thorn crater
so i was just in a call with my RL and he was asking me why im only spiking every 3 minutes with the exsa build
isntead of every 2-2and a half
and i honestly didnt ahve an answer
am i doing something wrong?
like, on TB build the spike happens every 2 minutes that much i do know and have managed
but should i get more clean with rotations and how i manage exsanguinate?
balmy condor
do you have logs
humble tiger
should i get expedient 1 now or what do you all recommend?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/izG4twhPNoQhv2nP2JXSZd
balmy condor
I wouldn't put expeds on any of that
you're going to replace every single one of those pieces
humble tiger
alright, so better to save up all my echos for when i get some hc/mythic+ loot
balmy condor
yeah
humble tiger
👍 thanks my friend