assassination

[orchid sequoia]

can you give me a valid reason

not just "dont do that"

since i dont play rogue i dont know

[royal lantern]

cus sin without ss sucks harder then most dhs at complicated mechanics for dungeons?

and you still probably wont have the fight lenght where dd pulls ahead, dd gains value over a loooooong time(and we even play ss with shitton of haste for st at this point

[hardy crypt]

hey, are the engineering goggles viable for the exsang build? they sim REALLY good but I've never seen anybody talk about using them

with the relational normalization gizmo, it procs for like 1300 haste

and double dose

[royal lantern]

dd and exsang build is a big nono

you need 3xSS for it too work

[lone junco]

@orchid sequoia DD does a nothing in cleave. Fok will never trigger it. While the 3 garrote opens are absurdly good.

I mean. Has the guy has completed 24s with assassin in bad traits?

[orchid sequoia]

yeah i know SS is insane, and he is usually just playing outlaw, we're around 4,5k io and hes never played sin before with us, but the rogue hasnt done a high workshop with us yet

but the argument is the last 2 bosses are the only thing that matters, and it maybe wouldve been better

i thought no ss sin is purely trolling so i came here to ask

[royal lantern]

dd as a trait was good cus it gained value over those 5min+ raidfights where you used mutilate over and over again

ss is better for cleave/aoe/shorter st fights AND longer st at this point

[storm perch]

DD procs from mut

[orchid sequoia]

okay, ill just tell him to go outlaw then

[storm perch]

You don't use mut on aoe

[orchid sequoia]

well yeah but thats not the question

[storm perch]

Only on bosses

[lone junco]

If nothing mattered but last boss. Then SS is better cause it is front loaded. But DD isnt a zero trait.

But with the appropriate low haste DD is probably pretty lame st.

[storm perch]

there are some logs where sin take DD in M+

[lone junco]

But he could probably fix it with tendy. Lol

[storm perch]

but it's only with something like firemage/dh in group

[orchid sequoia]

i dont actually know how optimized his gear is, the rogue is his alt aswell

[storm perch]

and only on something like tyrranical

[orchid sequoia]

he has pretty decent outlaw gear from what i can tell

well, we play hunter dh rogue

and giga zap scales off fortified

and third boss is kinda monkagiga aswell

so thats where the whole discussion came from

[lone junco]

If he beats the rest of you. Then maybe he is big brain.

If he comes in near tank, maybe not.

[strange python]

how do you guys go about rexxar in 5mask? I keep losing shit loads of insanity against him

[orchid sequoia]

meh he can just play outlaw

cuz i assume 2 SS isnt enough

u want atleast 3 i guess

or well, u want 3

[royal lantern]

@strange python use all cds, cloak when all 5 boars are out, kill him before the cloaks ended

[strange python]

so it's not advisable to kill the boars jsut go for rexxar

[royal lantern]

just tunnel rexxar and kill him in 10sec

[young portal]

I just nuke Rexxar, when the first boar cast is about to go off I cloak. He's dead before cloak drops

[strange python]

I ll try that thx

[limber star]

@strange python u can also head there first and lust on him if you need an extra bump in dmg. It'll be up again for end

[warm olive]

If your dps is not enough you can pull him into the stables behind him, there you wont get knocked back from boars and the first couple of casts can be los‘ed.

[strange python]

I mean I have 471 ilvl with 7x gushing so my st dmg should be more than enough I'm just not good at pve

the only problem I have in org 5 mask tho is rexxar and the mob before him rest is relatively easy

[warm olive]

The mob before is easy if you Shadowstep behind him so he kicks you into the slope, evasion there (no need for rexxar).

[royal torrent]

Can blind big mob before Rex and kill little ones too

[limber star]

What kenzo suggests for mob prior is easiest I find too. I've been punted into some really bad spots before

[warm olive]

If rexxar is your 2nd zone you probably need your first orb before pull. You can stealth behind him and lay down orb without breaking stealth. Just wait for <50% mob to spawn outside. You can try to get gift proc of him as well, shadowstep rexxar instant orb and pull.

[strange python]

appreciate the tips

[warm olive]

I dont have enough echoes for severes next week, i have the following options: a) r8 severe r3 TD or b) r14 severe. Personally i favor a) until i can fully exchange TD. Would you agree?

[feral flare]

What are Rogues stacking severe for? M+ build?

[atomic willow]

cuz crit is great for the FoK build

[warm olive]

My question was for M+ yes

[sullen mortar]

Hey, I kinda have a couple questions regarding the class

Mind if anyone dm me to help me out here?

[shut garnet]

have a quick read of the pins and post whatever questions youve got in here

[sullen mortar]

ty, I did that

If the target is more likely going to die quickly and im engaging on it

Should I put all the bleed on the target

or do I just Mut/Env

[strange python]

what is "quickly"

5 seconds? 10? 15?

[sullen mortar]

lets say yeah 5-10 seconds

[strange python]

if it's 10 I would say put garrote

if it's 5 there's no point

since it's like 4 or 5 globals

[sullen mortar]

Hmm alright

Another question I have in mind for AOE

If I am not running shrouded garrote what should be my priority

Apply garrote and rupture on all or just focus on 1 target at a time?

[strange python]

do you run subterfuge?

[sullen mortar]

I am running Master Assassin

[strange python]

I have no idea but I guess you would want to start with FoK if it's 3+ targets

and then spend your combo points on a rupture

and then FoK again

[vast forum]

why would you run MA on aoe?

[strange python]

That too

[sullen mortar]

For raiding in example

[vast forum]

you should sim

[sullen mortar]

or just random trash mobs

[vast forum]

subterfuge should beat MA even on single targets for most people

[sullen mortar]

I am running a triple double dose build

Is it still viable with it

have subterfuge I mean

[tropic ocean]

Yes

Sim

[sullen mortar]

having*

I am sort of new this, so I am unsure how do you really sim

[strange python]

do you have simulationcraft? The addon

[sullen mortar]

I am able to copy the SimC Input and paste it on raidbots

But then what do I click afterwards

[strange python]

you post it in top gear

scroll down until you see talents, and then choose MA and SUBT

then you click "find top gear"

[sullen mortar]

Ty, ill do that

Turns out for me MA is ahead for me

If I am doing dailies then

And clearing out trash mobs individually with the build I have, is it best then just to have rupture on them alone?

or as you said no point mut/env only

[bronze path]

so ive finally got gear to play sin (aka 2 daggers) after only playing outlaw since boosting a rogue. Do we really want to run triple shrouded suff?

reading guides and trying to learn this is giving me a head ache x)

[strange python]

with exsang build yes

but just sim yourself to know what's the best you can equip

[bronze path]

which guide is better atm icy veins or wowhead?

[strange python]

I always use wowhead

but it depends on what u look for

I would say RH is the best for openers

[bronze path]

dont we need like bis gear for exsang to work?

[strange python]

it's better with proper gear yes

[bronze path]

my gear is far from bis x)

[strange python]

as I said

sim yourself to know what's best for you

[vast forum]

3xSS is best for m+ at all gear levels

only best for ST at high-end gear

[bronze path]

im really only planning to play sin for pvp and ST fights in raid mainly

[vast forum]

pvp i think you want twist the kinfe

with 1 ss and 1 np

[robust lake]

For prog on carapace/nzoth, what is a good ST sim #? 110k+?

[steep obsidian]

what

you arent getting anywhere near that without gear from carapace and n'zoth 😛

id say 85 to 90 is plenty to kill the boss and not feel like you are being carried

[sturdy mesa]

How many combo points minimum for crimson tempest just go for 5-6 i'd imagine and nothing less?

[strange python]

yes

[crimson palm]

4+ is fine

[robust lake]

hmm, kk. so a 94k sim is good then...I didnt realize that nzoth gear wold boost me that much

i just see all these 130k ST sims lol

unless im missing something they are doing with the sim to inflate the number

[crimson palm]

no rogue is simming for 130k st

[drifting cloud]

were not arms/bm hunters

[robust lake]

I guess they were messing with the sim then, as there were some on friday

may have set their corruption to 150 or something dumb and I missed it

[plain thistle]

or probably a 3 min sim

[plush remnant]

Could also be fight duration

[fallow breach]

1min fight

300k dps

[next summit]

why are m+ top assa rogues stacking crit and crit damage? to just spam echoing blades?

[fallow breach]

Yup

[loud light]

scrolling back, the only 130k sims I see are dungeon slice

[next summit]

are there any alternative ways to talent for "not end tier rogue gearing up?"

[loud light]

where the numbers are kind of meaningless

[robust lake]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/96bAjGXZ1MfQLT5owLdGh2 this is what I saw

I think they was like a 126k sim I saw at some point. prob the same thing

Guess the 3 mins just messes with it.

[steep obsidian]

well yeah thats a perfect sim that ends like right after your 2nd set of cds

although you get no 2nd rockboy so i guess its still interesting

[loud light]

set it to 40 seconds for EVEN BIGGER numbers

[steep obsidian]

same

[fleet anchor]

20 seconds tbh

[robust lake]

lol. yeah, Just trying to get a ball park of where im at. My gear just seems like its in transition, but I guess im where I need to be https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sha4oLva5k5NrPxcwP1X2K

[fallow breach]

Nah in 20s you havent fully spiked yet

[keen dome]

Y no 475 in main hand?

[patent topaz]

2x SS with MA and worldvein

[pearl mauve]

is 1 NP to preffer even on exsang builds?

[rancid bobcat]

usually not but you can sim it

[pearl mauve]

yea, gonna try it 🙂 ty

[robust lake]

no 475 as it isnt gemmed. So my 475 dagger unenchanted/uncorrupted is +60dps

*ungemmed/uncorrupted

[woeful minnow]

what

he means swap your mh and your oh

[robust lake]

oh odd. Dunno why it simmed like that as the 475 is in main. Guess I did somethin dumb when I went to sim it

Just hard to figure out what gear will give me decent upgrades. Obv gem/corruption will help, but actual new pieces of gear...no idea what I need

[wind nymph]

good evening, is still haste the go to stat for raiding/single target situation and crit for aoe?

[jolly finch]

Is there a way to set up a sim to figure out which piece is best to socket or do you just figure it out yourself based on what you're unlikely to replace? I'm behind the curve so a lot of unsocketed gear still

[fleet anchor]

@fallow breach Not sure what you mean, by 20s after Vendetta runs out it's basically all downhill :P
20s sims are like 50k DPS higher than 40s sims for me!
Not that it matters, both are worthless haha

[tropic ocean]

koji

did u test the stuff to delay exsang for clockwork procs

[fleet anchor]

I did not

[tropic ocean]

some guy was asking if it was worth or not but

idk

😄

[fleet anchor]

Probably won't any time soon tbh, since SimC core doesn't have any method for accessing the clockwork timer. Like could maybe hack something with hard-coded time thresholds

[tropic ocean]

think it just procs every min in combat?

[fleet anchor]

Yes

[deep willow]

hello, should i use Unbridles Fury or Focused Resolve for Single Target?

[shut garnet]

do u vanish to refresh the 1st garrote after it falls off the first exang or do u wait to line it up w 2nd vendetta exang

i imagine you keep vanish if you're playing VoP minor, but what if you're not

[strange python]

u refresh it

[drifting light]

There is a raz from pieces on asmongold’s transmog comp

Is that our raz?

[drifting cloud]

yes

[drifting light]

‘Highest sim rogue in the game’

Some1 brought it up lol

[void pecan]

Lol

Was just gonna say, our boy raz getting asmon to coom everywhere

lmao

[drifting light]

Lol he did cum

[rancid bobcat]

cooming

i bet i could beat raz sim

[novel drum]

w...whats raz's sim?

[void pecan]

like 120k+

[distant lava]

[novel drum]

bruh.exe

[distant lava]

it's not

[novel drum]

oh thank god

[void pecan]

It's high tho

I don't remember how high

[distant lava]

he used to have insane gear but since everyone can farm corruptions and sockets he's only really ahead cause he kept farming azerite

stop obsessing over raz it's just weird and cringe

[rancid bobcat]

did raz autism his neck

hmm kinda

but mine's higher

[vestal wren]

raz could potentially beat 120k if he hasn't already by shifting some stuff around

[distant lava]

[rancid bobcat]

i dont think there's a way to hit 120k without going above 59

i'm at 114 without clf/symbiotic

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/461n3E5kuiR7jpSTCRtMGH

117 with max cape config

[void pecan]

[rancid bobcat]

so def not hitting 120k without some bullshit

[void pecan]

So you're saying he's a false god.

[rancid bobcat]

no its' just the ceiling

[vestal wren]

he probably could farm a GC too

[rancid bobcat]

isnt the jury still out on gale

[fleet anchor]

I don't really think the jury is out on it, just depends on if you want to deal with it

[rancid bobcat]

also farming a 475 gale

[scarlet sequoia]

pls stop for the love of god

[rancid bobcat]

[scarlet sequoia]

pls

[fleet anchor]

I think it's super easy to use personally

[rancid bobcat]

i mean yeah i use it

[fleet anchor]

I ran it all last week during raid and had no problem pretty much maximizing every GCB use. It's really not that bad

[rancid bobcat]

but getting one is

[fleet anchor]

Well yeah getting 475 trinkets in general is just total RNG

Other than PvP trinket

[rancid bobcat]

yeah fuu tell us how to farm

[void pecan]

Reveal your secrets pls.

[main forge]

Get good at PVP

[void pecan]

I don't think I've got a single trinket in my box this whole xpac actually

[rancid bobcat]

475 dice is the real ticket

[fleet anchor]

Raz' profile can definitely get up to 118k with CLF and Racing Pulse setup instead, but that's obviously preference as has been discussed at length

But I really don't think it's possible to break 120k

Without BS

[rancid bobcat]

so is it supposed to be racing pulse or honed mind at the end

[fleet anchor]

Depends on your gear stats

[main forge]

I got a 465 GC.... the only pain is when movement is involved like getting a Incineration, or the Maut pool, or shad'har miasma

[fleet anchor]

Void Ritual is also an option

[scarlet sequoia]

that profile is old

[rancid bobcat]

i cant see that fully unless you're really neglecting one or the other

[scarlet sequoia]

i get above 120k with blood

[rancid bobcat]

which is almost impossible

[fleet anchor]

I haven't seen a 120k sim, link? 😛

[scarlet sequoia]

no.

not doing that anymore

i cannot take the dms any longer

[rancid bobcat]

[novel drum]

raz tell me how much crit i personally need

[void pecan]

lmao do people actually bug you like that?

[novel drum]

t h i r t y f o u r?

[rancid bobcat]

ive gotten dms after linking my own sims

though not a lot

[fleet anchor]

lol I mean the difference between 118 and 120 is pretty small, after all. It's only 1.6% at that point. But yeah

Never gonna touch BM or Arms

[main forge]

or fire mage

[fleet anchor]

That's just not possible

[vestal wren]

475 GC and you are at 119 😛

[main forge]

sad and infuriating.

like how far off is our top sim vs their top sim

[rancid bobcat]

doesnt matter much at this point

at least

[main forge]

Well if I want the #1 spot on dps, I either have to run with people worse, or pay priests to lifegrip people

[fleet anchor]

It's ok Raz, I can find your sims via magic.. I won't link them though 🤣

[solar flicker]

u rolled a beta class pal what do u want

survival hunter is better

[tropic ocean]

🥱

[rancid bobcat]

i guess it does matter if the only thing that matters is topping damage charts

[main forge]

be nice to have a competition that was say within 1-2% of each other... instead of 10-30%

Think we could get a full rogue group to go in and kill most of Nyalotha? like mages, and tanks are doing?

[quasi pewter]

yes the bosses will die as fast as the mage grp

ilgynoth could be problematic

[tribal obsidian]

I ended up with too much haste and didn't realize it was telling me to cut some for crit

Mostly gems

[crimson palm]

Should be fine with some cd adjustments

[tribal obsidian]

I was at 82% passive haste

[mighty elm]

im chillin at 83% haste

[tribal obsidian]

I was at 29 crit and sims had me trade haste down to 76 for 3-4% crit

[main forge]

I got 50% haste >_> missing three expedients I think... and two pieces of haste gear(belt/pants) and the mecha rings

[fleet anchor]

also, fwiw I'm not seeing anything in the Raidbots statistics generator about Assassination going over 120k recently without going up into like the 80-90 corruption range so shrug

[crimson palm]

I'm at 118k with 79

At 94 neck

Raz should be above

[rancid bobcat]

79

[rancid bobcat]

wtf

koji looking into the matrix

[mighty elm]

show me your gear hemo

[fleet anchor]

Anonymized reports

[rancid bobcat]

[fleet anchor]

Get some stats to analyze gear profiles

[rancid bobcat]

it's the raidbots matrix

[fleet anchor]

I mean it definitely might be possible to barely break 120k at higher neck levels, it's definitely close

But yeah it's really the upper bound in any practical sense for the most part

Unless something changes

[crimson palm]

Are these blood or clf sims?

With clf it should def be above 120k

[fleet anchor]

I'd have to link up to the actual gear/essence configuration

[crimson palm]

Neck levels are around 700 dps upgrade

[fleet anchor]

But nobody has simmed it if they are running it higher than 120k

At that corruption level

Since this keeps track of the top sims over the last week or so

[vestal wren]

last day iirc

[fleet anchor]

Nah it's bigger now, some more magic happened 😄

[rancid bobcat]

gimme access

[fleet anchor]

Back to 6/12 actually atm

[novel drum]

i just simmed a GCB and it gives me like 1.5k dps....

[tropic ocean]

@fleet anchor reduce fight time until u can hit arms dps

[novel drum]

i could item restore a 465 rn 🤔

[tropic ocean]

[fleet anchor]

lol

200 IQ strats right there

[vestal wren]

oh its wihin last 30 days

[fleet anchor]

I'm seeing Survival sims at 130k

delt dis

[vestal wren]

but still every day is seperated if i do understand it correct

[novel drum]

fuck it im restoring the GCB

[tropic ocean]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cbjxeB9iYG3qeRmNd9eWwm

[vestal wren]

1 min 30 secs

[tropic ocean]

yeah if u do 130k dps stuff dies fast

[fleet anchor]

137k Arms sims with 64 corruption RIP

[tribal obsidian]

I restore on CD

Not even jk

[tropic ocean]

doesnt arms sim like that already

[rancid bobcat]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fro9Bd8xxpBoPUb4jUpAyA

[tropic ocean]

with low corruption?

[rancid bobcat]

[fleet anchor]

Yes, I'm just saying

129k is not high enough

You gotta go shorter 😄

[tropic ocean]

or inc corruption

but I cant even go really high in corruption

[mighty elm]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/s2ceikzrxUph47iktm9FFo

[tropic ocean]

cuz i have no more slots to corrupt

😄

WOW

ROUGE OP

[mighty elm]

FLYING

[tropic ocean]

rise>raz

[mighty elm]

💪

[fleet anchor]

We are about the same as Fury Warrior sims fwiw

[novel drum]

how do you do it

[tropic ocean]

in 40 sec fight

probably full severe/strikethrough

will be even superior

to expedient

[fleet anchor]

I dunno, since so much of it is just hasted SS

I'm not so sure

[crimson palm]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9rFYhaNmd2krxdWk66xttC gcb would put me at almost 119k

2 neck levels would be 120k

[fleet anchor]

Well

It should be possible to get a little higher now

Due to the fix I mentioned in #tc-updates

Gave you a free 0.5% or something 😛

[tropic ocean]

replace 1 expedient

with racing pulse r3

@crimson palm

[crimson palm]

That'd be above 79 tho

[tropic ocean]

with max cloak

it'll be fine

[crimson palm]

Max cloak is far away 😁

Koji bote minor was already a decent upgrade when running clf

Like 0.4% over formless

[fleet anchor]

Yeah was getting there for me too

Although I was only seeing like 0.2% or something last week

Was close enough I cba to change it last week before raid lol but I'm gonna run it this week probably

[crimson palm]

Well apart from xanesh/wrath can't really run clf now

All kill times under 3 mins

[fleet anchor]

I mean I'm still running CLF major

Still think it's better or equal on all our typical fight lengths

[crimson palm]

With fight length variance turned off, it's a 1.3k dps decrease for me on 3 min

[fleet anchor]

I mean maybe exactly 3 minutes which is, quite literally, the worst of worst case scenarios numbers-wise for it

At 2:30 though it starts gaining the other direction, at 3:20 it gains a massive amount

[rancid bobcat]

drest/ilgy/vex at under 3 min?

[fleet anchor]

Not that many of our kill times are exactly 3:00 on the nose

[crimson palm]

Ours are between 2:40 and 3 so it's pepega

[fleet anchor]

Like our Ra-den is 2:19 for example

One-phase Maut is just over 2 minutes

Same with Skitra, Hivemind

[crimson palm]

Skitra is a bit weird

Not sure if clf would get full value

Like first burn is over before vendetta expires

[fleet anchor]

I mean the pet should hit stuff regardless, although I'd say DoTs keep ticking on Skitra anyway right?

[crimson palm]

Well there is some downtime still

[fleet anchor]

Shad'har is probably the only fight length right now that seems in the problem area for us right now

Since I think that was like 2:40ish

[crimson palm]

We're at 2:41 on shad now

[fleet anchor]

Although we were at 2:47 with 2 deaths (including me) in P2 last week so I think we're gonna be pushing down into the 2:30 range

[mighty elm]

should come ahead if you run formless and yoink a clf

[fleet anchor]

Yeah I've considered doing it

[drifting cloud]

with formless blood is 2:36 cd?

[fleet anchor]

One of our Hunters was running WV last week and I think a couple people actually did the WV+CLF thing

[drifting cloud]

or less

[crimson palm]

Its 2:30 iirc

[fleet anchor]

I didn't want to deal with it last week since I was trying out GCB for the first time in raid so I wanted to focus on that

But I might try it this week

[crimson palm]

Is it possible to check 2 min length with vop minor if clf beats bote

When you delay the vanish

[fleet anchor]

You mean hold the Vanish for the 2nd Vendetta instead of using in the opener?

[loud light]

is the tick rate of exsanguinated bleeds snapshotted on the exsang so all that matters for GCB is having the buff then? just parsing this APL line and the "use within 6 secs of exsang coming up" bit

[fleet anchor]

It's not all that matters but it's the main thing

Still gain from your later refreshes and from AAs, hasted procs, etc.

But yes, the Exsang snapshot is the biggest thing to be mindful of

[odd heath]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[crimson palm]

You mean hold the Vanish for the 2nd Vendetta instead of using in the opener?
@fleet anchor yeah

It's the case with first 3, and soon most likely raden and vexi as we get more corruption resistance

[rancid bobcat]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f7EGgG1xcmpa9PGzYuhgLm

fuck formless mang

[fleet anchor]

Probably worth investigating yeah

Not sure if it would be better than using during lust/opener but seems worth taking a look anyway

[crimson palm]

Most of us are doing the delay

And get a second full burn at 1:30 with bote

[robust lake]

so rather than holding vendetta for vanish to come up, dont even use vanish, and vendetta again 2 mins in with everything up?

[crimson palm]

No, this is a specific case for kill times around 2 minutes

Where you don't get a 2nd vendetta by waiting for vanish

[robust lake]

ah ok. just checkin. I Assumed it was fight length, as a way to cram in an extra burst window

[novel drum]

GCB and CLF is gonna be interesting to get used to

[main blaze]

Damn 114

115*

[novel drum]

seeing all those vers gems makin me resim to see if i finally have to swap any

[grizzled mist]

when's the best time to use an on use trinket for Exsang build? right before Vendetta?

[fallow breach]

get a macro that use them with vendetta

the cds line up

[rustic python]

for mechagon rings instead of hitting from behind i wear "if you cast 3 abilities..." ring is it okay? or one is better than the other?

[grizzled mist]

ty

[novel drum]

you have to cast 3 seperate abilities the moment your debuff drops, where as the "behind" ring instantly procs once the debuff drops

as long as your behind the target obviously

[steep plover]

Are there other bis items other than the azerite pieces, mech rings, cara daggers

I know for a fact i sold a bunch of good items before i had any idea what i was doing and cause sims used to tell me to stack crit

[novel drum]

vita trinket is pretty universal from what i've seen

i could totally be wrong

[steep plover]

Oh ye other than trinkets

Like legs/hands/wrists etc

[novel drum]

nope

whatever 475 haste/crit or haste/mastery piece will PROBABLY be your BiS

[steep plover]

Aight so best just to sim as u get items that look like they have good stats?

[novel drum]

yep!

[steep plover]

Right tyyy

[inland garnet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3cdsg1Dxs5a585EZo3rAS1 Whats the best thing to do for me right now? (except for getting rid of my terrible trinket)

[novel drum]

cannonball runner

is a DEAD trinket

[inland garnet]

yeah i know that

[mortal spire]

Do i need to change the settings for my sims when i sim for Exsanguinate build?

[inland garnet]

but i already asked about anything but the trinket

[novel drum]

if youre wanting to run the SS build, you need alot more expedient

[inland garnet]

i have 7 in my bank right now

rank 3

[novel drum]

get better azerite on helm and shoulder

[inland garnet]

Anything usefull doable right now? getting azerite is only properly doable for me right now through m+ chest

since iam not doing mythic nya

[novel drum]

mecha rings

vita from raid

[inland garnet]

Allright

Guess ill be doing mecha till next reset then

[novel drum]

sim out DS/exsang/CT

as talents

it might not sim high for you as you dont have the expedient though

@mortal spire nope

just sim patchwerk 5 min nightly

should be the default sim

[mortal spire]

thanks

[steep plover]

What doss the nightly/weekly shit mean in sims

Also is clf good for long fights? 3+ mins?

It seems to always sim better for me but people say its sim bait

[vagrant schooner]

Hi! Someone can explain to me why in pvp we dont open with cheap shot?

[mighty elm]

@vagrant schooner #pvp

[spark pike]

should sims always just be trusted blindly ?

[chilly marsh]

for mythic nzoth should we go psychos or stay out?

[manic anvil]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p4GfqTrsav3FpJN7Tf41vu anything I could improve upon?

[rancid bobcat]

more sockets more corruption res

put your 475 in main hand

better azerite

[normal olive]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uyhpMshu7H1nKZS3GtJCEW are the mechagon rings worth trying to grind?

[rancid bobcat]

yes

[green forge]

yes they're

[spark pike]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bjahy31Vze1RhkgXaJ32VE i have legs with alot of haste and low versa but it wants me to use versa/crit legs should i trust it ?

[fallow breach]

why wouldn't you

[spark pike]

well loosing haste

[fallow breach]

the whole point of sim is showing what's better

so don't run sims if you don't want to apply what it says

[rancid bobcat]

the build likes haste but it's not the #1 stat all the time

you also gain +5ilvl

[spark pike]

but agi is super low stat wise tho

[fallow breach]

if it says it's better

then it is

that's it

[rancid bobcat]

yes but you still gain a fuckton of agi per ilvl compared to 2ndaries

would you rather have 1x $100 bill, or 10x $50 bills

and in general if 2ndaries are all equal, then the deciding factor is agi amount

[novel drum]

idk a $100 bill is pretty stylish

ive been simming all enchants and gems for an hour and a half now...

[fleet whale]

i think people will have a hard time dropping haste for something that sims higher cause of feelscraft

once you keep getting more haste, mentally you feel you never want to drop it

[spark pike]

yea thats how i have it xD

and i just never see anyone with those legs so dont want to put expedient on them just to later on put on a different pairs

[steep plover]

Ye i drop to 9% haste for my m+ build it feels so yuck sometimes but once u get bleeds up on everyone its piss

[fleet whale]

i mean, they are pants, they tend to have a very high primary stat budget

i don't think you are going to hurt yourself if you put exp on it especially since the raid doesn't even drop pants with haste on them i believe

[spark pike]

yea thats why im hesitating id mutch rather use 470 legs with alot of haste and low versa that i crafted

because i cant get anything from raid with haste on anyways

[fleet whale]

yeah, but did those pants sim higher or lower?

[spark pike]

lower 😦

[fleet whale]

then the macrabre one's are better

[spark pike]

but noone uses them :/ maby because they have more expedient ?

[fleet whale]

i guess, but why are you worrying about what other pants other players are wearing?

[spark pike]

well because theyre in the top so they know more than i do

[fleet whale]

ok, but the macabre one's are the best pants you have available, so theoretically they will give you the best damage.

It feels like you just don't want to drop any haste, and if that's the case just use the crafted ones, they don't sim that much lower anyway

[spark pike]

hmm if i sim without gcb and go with plumage only the macabres are not best guess ill go with that because its easier

[fleet whale]

yeah, but does that set-up sim higher than what you linked above?

[spark pike]

nope 1-200 dps lower so ill go with that

[proven moth]

why 7 exp3 and 1 r2? Why not 8 Exp R3? 🤔

[fathom swift]

talking about the guide? it's based on trying to fit corruption under 60

[undone gyro]

Hey guys new here and recently coming back to wow after not playing for ages. My rogue is currently 471 ilvl. I've been stackint expedient 3 (also have a severe 1 and is1). Where should I go from here corruption wise?

Sorry sev2

[novel drum]

drop the IS1

[undone gyro]

Should I replace the is with more expedient or go with severe

[novel drum]

expedient is the hype train right now but youd have to sim your character to see what youre looking for

[undone gyro]

Ok sounds good. I will.sim it. But in general is stacking all expedient not an issue then? Or should I try to work a little something else in there

[novel drum]

i run 7 expIII and 1 expII

so in my case, yes stacking exp is a good build

[civic hatch]

whats the best way to sim for m+? is dungeonslice crap?

[steep plover]

I do patchwerk, 5 bosses, 1 minute, no buffs

But i dont rely on it as much as i rely on st sims

[plain thistle]

testing raid build for dungeon, not bad (motherload 22)

did a WS 24 and a KR 24 with it too, its really good for ST and cleave xD

[lusty nacelle]

how much haste do you have?

[strange python]

Hey @plain thistle can you please share your sim

What essence you guys use in raids

[drifting cosmos]

all in the guide dude

[plain thistle]

@strange python 1s, ill sim with 40- to show you

@strange python this is what is used in the dungeon > https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kyP7gywLavPWadMPrQUboW (5 min st sim)

[strange python]

@plain thistle ty man, is this the same gear you use in raids?

[plain thistle]

yeah, I was only testing, not sure if its the best, most uses severe+strikethrough

[strange python]

Thanks man I’m trying to maximise my dps for raiding now I’m going to play around thanks heaps

[void pecan]

I've been using my bleed/haste in some M+

and it's been pretty fun

[oblique jackal]

Sim wants me to run 2 quick navi.. is that wrong?

[shrewd night]

You probably fucked up the sim

By not pressing 'replace current enchantments'

[oblique jackal]

ah gotcha.. what wep enchants are we going with?

[inland garnet]

Does anyone have some tips for killing the guy in the tower in visions as assa rogue? the fight isnt really hard but quite annyoing with leaden foot

[plain thistle]

you burst and watch him die 😂

joking, but with end game gear thats what happen

[inland garnet]

Well i recon thats what happens below 4 or 5 masks for me aswell but for now guess ill have to hope for a lucky tentacle spawn then ^^

[drifting cloud]

can you still put stuff that interrupts him when he ports?

[void pecan]

when he ports just stand there and fok him to death

He won't ever port again

[autumn cosmos]

Looking through the last few days and everyones sim's look as though they are targeted for Mythic +'s. Can someone post a sim for Mythic content? Specifically 10, 11, 12 Nyalotha

[rancid bobcat]

what questions are you looking to answer by looking at random sims

[icy girder]

how good is the haste proc ring from ws ive run it 25 times this week and only managed to get the nature dmg on is it rly worth chasing

[drifting cloud]

its really really good

[icy girder]

ok ty ryler ill keep farmign then

[drifting cloud]

assuming you have the behind part

its a few k dps better than any other ring combo depending what your rank of expedient is

[icy girder]

yea i have a socketed behind 1

[autumn cosmos]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cWHiununqmP9XXhV5qeL8u

Is what I'm running - So I'm assuming to get higher is just the higher exp's in a few weeks and then just some Nya 475 shit/485. Plus the Mecha ring would be huge.

• I have better boots, just waiting for more echoes to stack another expedient on them then will pull off the corrupted glad ones.

My question also is what's the pros/cons on the xsang vs toxic and bomb vs crimson. See a few people like myself going the toxic and bomb route but also see just as many if not more going the xsang and crimson route.

[rancid bobcat]

exsang and crimson tempest will do more damage once you get more expedients and higher gear

[drifting cloud]

@autumn cosmos not sure if thats your current prog set but just looking at your stuff in bags and depending how many echoes you have, theres better options that you arent using

[autumn cosmos]

Can you advise which? I just dumped a fair bit of echoes to achieve the above - I'll farm likely 30k prior to the rank 3 exp's so I can swap a fair bit over when that lands mid July. I've been messing with my sim a fair bit to try and get as high as possibly. Going for hopefully cutting edge this week so trying to get as high as possibly before heading into Mythic Carapace and Nzoth.

@drifting cloud

[drifting cloud]

well vita for example and exsang

then the rest just depends on your current amount of echoes and the corruption you want to be playing at

since your cloak is also 9 below cap atm

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ifQJy27soBTGHA9PhgNPHX

just clicking like 4 things

and the ws haste proc ring would be insanely massive

[balmy condor]

I’m also not sure you have enough haste to ditch the lucid minor

[drifting cloud]

oh yeah I didnt even think of that

[autumn cosmos]

Appreciate your help @drifting cloud Yeah I need to get the extra resi for sure. Just didn't feel the 6k echoes was worth it

[drifting cloud]

its probably not

[balmy condor]

Only having 4 sockets kinda blows

[drifting cloud]

well really depends how much you farm them

[balmy condor]

Vers nav also kinda blows

You have a strike through but you’re not using deadly?

Seems a little counterintuitive

[autumn cosmos]

That's just from a previous set - don't have something to swap it for.

[balmy condor]

Could overwrite it unless you need it for a pvp set (I don’t know if they use that in pvp)

But yeah, ryler’s got good points

[autumn cosmos]

Appreciate both of your help for sure. I'll def swap out the weapon ench. Then work on that mecha ring as well as getting the resi up a bit higher for more expedients.

[drifting cloud]

lucid is like a 1k dps gain for your current gear aswell

[balmy condor]

^

[autumn cosmos]

Yeah I didn't realize how good it would be. Should have it rank 3 for next week so can swap it in @drifting cloud

[drifting cloud]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eCwxu1DxaD7KfBzuF323SW

but yeah then its like I said, this is only 32 corr so if you can buy another exp2 before it rotates you can equip it next week already

and if I had to guess the ws ring would prolly give you 2-3k dps aswell

you can just check it in gear compare

[cedar depot]

can someone tell me why severe's being picked like cray here over strikethrough rank 3? i already have 49% crit without the 4 extra rank iii severe's being reccomended lol. am i just simming incorrectly for this build with dungeonslice? any tips/tricks appriciated xd.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pyEmdXyN81Lys7g4vwDn6j

[balmy condor]

only 1 EB

lot of your damage isn't coming from the EB hits, so critting more often is valued higher than critting harder is my theory

[drifting cloud]

also you should take assa ds with a grain of salt

[balmy condor]

Koji heard that

dungeon slice as a sim is fine, although I think dungeon slice in general requires a pretty big grain of salt due to the variability in m+ to begin with

generally speaking though, NP is pretty awful

and not running more EB will hurt your damage overall

[cedar depot]

okay thank you - ive rolled 6 times on 480 azerite chest piece for EB and SS. hopefully get it this reset

will run a gear compare and see what happens if i have perfect azerite

[fleet anchor]

I mean the primary reason is that with almost all builds using Severe, having a somewhat equalized Severe vs. Strikethrough value is generally just mathematically more optimal.

If you don't crit enough, Strikethrough really doesn't do much

And although the EB triggers are always going to Crit, you still would want to have enough Crit% for those to reliably proc at anything other than mega-high target counts.

That gear set even with the Severes added is averaging around 72-75% crit rate

[rocky ruin]

How much severe und strikerthrough we need per piece? 3/3 or 2/4 or 4/2

[fleet anchor]

Probably would depend on how much base rating you have on your gear

I mean the way Cakemix was doing it with purifying it with Severe/Strikethrough options in Raidbots is the easiest way to figure it out probably.

Even if one doesn't believe in DS for whatever reason, 6T patchwerk gives basically the exact same results. Targeting Severe 12 + Strikethrough 12 and keeping them about equal

It's basically just a factor of the mathematical interaction between the two

[rocky ruin]

@fleet anchor if i send you my char could you possible look at it

[fleet anchor]

Probably favoring slightly more Severe than Strikethrough would yield slightly better DPS on lower target counts

For Outlaw it has usually ended up being Strikethrough as -1 vs. Severe

And think that is generally the same process as most profiles end up being

[rocky ruin]

As an assa rogue should i use dungeon slice or patchwerk for knowing how much severe and strikethrough i need @fleet anchor

[fleet anchor]

Are you talking about like an EB AoE setup or?

[rocky ruin]

Ye for m+

Or does severe and strikethrough also for work raid?

[fleet anchor]

I mean I would sim both DS and possibly 6T patchwerk without cooldowns and kinda get a feel for which direction you want to optimize for when they deviate. DS is going to be a mixed ST + various pull size type sims, which generally doesn't prefer heavy EB setups. But I'd also give the caveat that a lot of M+ are not really as sustained large pulls as people usually think unless you have a very aggressive group. But only you know how your group pulls.

[rocky ruin]

Im in pugs most of the time

[fleet anchor]

6T patchwerk is not going to show SS as being very strong, so keep that in mind. DS allows restealths between the packs so generally will show SS's strengths better.

Also @cedar depot just a note when re-simming your profile, you may have just not selected it as an option but pretty sure the Tortured Fleshbeast Cuirass w/ SS+HoD will be better for your setup than the Darkheart Robe. Showed as about 1.6% higher when I ran it.

[cedar depot]

@fleet anchor you're right, ill do this

[patent quartz]

is there an weak aura for exsang rupture? only found working for garrote

highlighting the empowered ones

[fossil slate]

Should I assume that Wraps of Electrostatic potential and TB don't interact?

[vast forum]

yes

you should

[fossil slate]

49.7k dmg without TB and 51.3k with TB so seems it does

[arctic walrus]

that's not even 30% though

[fossil slate]

I didn't say it was

I'm just saying it changed it

[arctic walrus]

okay, how did you test this

[vast forum]

got a versa proc

[fossil slate]

Just standing at a dummy and running it through with TB and without

By all means i'm not saying i'm right here i'm just saying what i see haha

[steep obsidian]

i have aset of those i got from cache with honed mind never even bothered to use them

i thought they might be ok for pvp burst or something /shrug

[fossil slate]

I hear they are good for arena but i dunno, i don't pvp

[steep obsidian]

58.1k with me with nd without you must have had something else proc

[fossil slate]

Yeah guessing so

Not sure what though

maybe cloak

[steep obsidian]

honed mind seems to buff it

so mastery ig uess

[fossil slate]

Seperate question, when you sim font, does it do the whole precasting malarky

or would you need to add something sperate into it for that

[steep obsidian]

i havent chosed font

err used font

for ages

but you can check the buttins it pressess if you look at the detailed sim

[fossil slate]

true true

Looks like it does

Runs the buff for the first 30s of the fight

doesn't use CT on single target though

[patent quartz]

does any1 know how to make rupture WA glow when exsang? only managed to find a garrote one

[steep obsidian]

i havent managed to find a decent one let me know if you do

im just getting decent at tracking it in my head 😛

[fossil slate]

I wanna say that the one Luxthos has on wago has something for rupture using exsang

He has a little custom function in each of the garrote and rupture bits mentioned exsang

But I can't be sure

I think the timer on it just goes green tbf if it has exsang

[patent quartz]

yeah thats exactly what it does

just checked

[fossil slate]

Yeah looks like it goes a green timer on it when you buff it with subtlety or exsang ^^

[patent quartz]

good enough

[fossil slate]

Better than nothing ay

[steep plover]

What do we use for cara and nzoth? Do we still just focus as much st dmg or is it worth running eb or something like that

[vast forum]

there are 0 relevant adds on cara

[lilac sparrow]

is there any way to sim Overwhelming power stack reduction in real fight...? I think no reduction makes my haste underestimated

[steep plover]

Is there a recommended setup for cara or nzoth? Since theyre not purley single target focused

Or is it just for example, kill adds, blow cds on nzoth repeat

[crimson palm]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/24#class=Rogue&spec=Assassination&boss=2337

It really isn't that hard to check it yourself

[sonic iris]

ravenholdt specifically mentions the trinket from kings rest as bis

why is that

[marble depot]

Hellow everyone. I’m leveling up with my friends with my rogue assa and one of my friend also. He is a player with 12 years playing rogue and now we are around 105. His garrote are doing a loot of dmg vs me and he told me that i have to renew garrote and rupture after use vendetta but i not see that at opener rotation. What its wrong? Thx for answers and pattient

[steep plover]

Fuck i went through item restoration today and i found a bunch of bis items that i just scrapped cause i didnt know any better lmaoo

[balmy condor]

@sonic iris because plumage is incredibly strong, and unlike galecallers, doesn't require us to stand still for 10 seconds

@marble depot leveling is a finnicky thing, but I assume he's using subterfuge. I don't know what he means by garrote/rupture after vendenta. Vendetta will scale the damage of dots that are already applied, no need to re-apply afterwards

[quaint vortex]

@balmy condor my guess is that his friend probably thinks MOP snapshotting applies to garrote / rupture

[balmy condor]

yeah

thats a pretty solid guess

[sonic iris]

bis trinkets would be vita and plumage then right?

[strange python]

or pvp trinket

[balmy condor]

correct, vita/galecallers might be stronger when you don't have to move

but generally yes

[sonic iris]

hmm ok

[balmy condor]

pvp vers on use is equal to plumage

that's why that's a thing

[marble depot]

@marble depot leveling is a finnicky thing, but I assume he's using subterfuge. I don't know what he means by garrote/rupture after vendenta. Vendetta will scale the damage of dots that are already applied, no need to re-apply afterwards
@balmy condor thx

[winter lichen]

is coral still worth using in m+ if I have heroic vita and a 465 dice? ive simmed them and coral dice is coming out on top every time but in actual play I feel im not getting much use out of it

[runic tinsel]

As a rogue, what do you actually do on M drest'agath? I pretty much only went around killing tentacles but it still feel like it was too simple for a mythic boss. Obviously also took debuff when i had cds ready

Had an hour on him yesterday so didnt really get to much of what was going on

[steep obsidian]

back when people had less gear you could fall behind and also had to time the buffs etc a bit better

it was never a hard boss though

[steep plover]

Hehehe boysss

Finally got aotc lmaoo

1 shot

Got 2 carpace daggers not but theyre H

And cara chest

[royal lantern]

yo gz too curve

[strange python]

gz on aotc dude

[royal lantern]

@runic tinsel but ye, like sad daid, drestagath at this point it more or less a glorified trash fight

[steep plover]

How are nzoth shoulders?

[strange python]

not good for exsang build

[steep plover]

Right

So gorak tul or ilgy ?

[strange python]

yes

[steep plover]

Tyyy

[strange python]

gorak is better though

[balmy condor]

@winter lichen depends how you're using coral, its not awful, but there's better

[winter lichen]

ive just been tossing it on the mob im gonna assume is gonna die fast in the pull and letting it stack with dots while cleaving

is this incorrect?

[balmy condor]

I wouldn’t be tossing it on the first thing to die

But generally yes

[winter lichen]

how would you suggest using it?

[balmy condor]

Put it on one of the tankier mobs and let the crit buff carry through to the next pack when it dies

[winter lichen]

ok this makes much more sense, im stupid.

[balmy condor]

Imo it’s a janky ass trinket and vita/Harlan’s will probably serve you better

[winter lichen]

thx for the help my guy, ill prolly end up dropping it soon tbh.

yeah thats what im thinking

[balmy condor]

Hate that stupid thing

[winter lichen]

its a bit weird to play around for sure

[night vale]

Everyone keeps telling me that Vita should be better than 475 harlan's, but i cant seem to find any setup that makes Vita useable for me?

Could someone take a look and see if im just doing something wrong?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gWgzAaAh8pyTpY1tQb8HUR

[balmy condor]

yeah, I can't get vita to sim higher either. It's consistently 150-200 down. I would still run it just for the group haste though

[tropic ocean]

vita gives dps to ur group

too

🤷

[balmy condor]

^

I wouldn't be losing my mind over 200 dps to myself when it gives more than that to everyone else

[night vale]

yeah, i mean im fine using it for the group boost, i just presumed it would sim higher than it does

[tropic ocean]

oh and

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oH3spbt7hKc88sojVpPBoz

btw

[balmy condor]

Oh nice, I didn’t even bother with CLF

[night vale]

yeah im not a fan of CLF major tbh although it does sim higher, ill probably try it on our next reclear

ty for the help guys 🙂

[long coyote]

Hey guys? For the exsanguinate build. I should use exsanguinate off cd, but should i reapply my dots no matter how long they are lastin? (If they are bellow 24 and 8 secs)

[fallow breach]

pandemic boi

extend your dots as much as you can before exsanguinate

so 24s for garrote and 36s for rupture

[strange python]

rup should be 25+ sec garrote should be 15+ sec before u exsang

[long coyote]

But if I have a 20 sec rupture, and garrote on 12 secs, should I wait for them to fall down so I can refresh them in a normal manner and then use exsanguinate, or refresh immeidately so they are above 25secs rupt and 15 secs garrote and then exsanguinate

[fallow breach]

refresh them but you should be planning that before your exsang comes out of cd

so as soon as it's up you can use it

[long coyote]

Ok got it thanks 😊. My raidsim says I should be doing 83k, and yeasterday struggled with 60k so wanna get better with this build.

[balmy condor]

@strange python not true anymore, logic is always garrote->6cp rup->exsang

[strange python]

Oh

thank you 😄

[balmy condor]

Np

[gleaming ravine]

Where can I get the best daggers for my pvp 2v2 setup ?

[tropic ocean]

carapace mythic

[gleaming ravine]

That are doable by normal ppl

[sullen pagoda]

are people who do mythic not normal

[shut garnet]

why r people playing cara boots w expedient

over any other haste+x boots

[tribal obsidian]

Ilvl

Crit mastery isnt bad and its 485

[shut garnet]

yea sure but the only thing u get off ilvl for damage is agility

and mainstat sucks ass for assa

[tribal obsidian]

Once you get to a certain amount of haste sim usually has you grab some other stats so might as well make use of the extra ilvl

[shut garnet]

thats fair enough if it just sims higher for peeps though

[tribal obsidian]

My personal experience is at around mid 70s of haste my sims would rather add crit then go higher in haste and tells me to seitch to crit ring enchants and some crit gems

Tldr boots sim highest

[balmy condor]

You don’t only get agi with iLvL, ilvl has more overall stats

[vast forum]

sometimes, 150 crit is better than 100 haste 🤷‍♂️

[gray briar]

Stupid question, how does a 3x Shrout Suffacation Build works in a raid? is eveything depending on vanish?

[thin cargo]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[steep plover]

Boys

Is it a good move to chuck expediemt 3 on heroic cara daggers

If im not gna mythic soon

Or are there better things to put it on like from weekly m+ chest

[strange python]

well there are 475 daggers from weekly

[steep plover]

But thats rng so idk if its worth waiting for luck

[strange python]

and I would start with putting exp on mechagon rings

[steep plover]

Ye ive already put it on mech rings

And i have 1 on 1 heroic cara dagger

Just got another today idk if its worth it to just say fuck it instead of wait for weekly

[strange python]

up to you tbh

[steep plover]

Aight sweet

Tyy

[shrewd copper]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2xmzMGyH8qhFeLG39uCRJV

Any advice ?

for raid

Seems a bit low right now.

[keen dome]

moar sockets, try to sim with Deeper Stratagem talent.

[quartz depot]

good enough to clear it

[vestal dune]

The bug that caused ss to lose the extra dmg when applying a non buffed garrote was fixed?

[plain thistle]

lol, that was fixxed a long time ago

[spark oyster]

I think it got fixed 1,5 years ago lol

[vestal dune]

I left on uldyr and recently came back, just wanted to make sure 😛

ty!

[spark oyster]

npnp

[remote oriole]

Should i disregard haste for m+? 35% crit 22% haste but i have like 0 vers...gem/enchant crit/vers? I sim but it goes according to haste..

[crimson palm]

Depends on how high the keys you're running are and the traits that you have

[remote oriole]

im catching up so lowish, 8-12 keys & shit traits tbh, 1xDD , 2xSS, 1xTTK, 1xEB

Don't wanna fall to like 10% haste i think it'll be very sluggish idk

[sturdy mesa]

How bad is full haste in m+ for 15-20 keys with 2x EB and 3x SS

[plain thistle]

its not bad, and can be good for some dungeons (like WS and KR where you cant pull a lot), but I wouldnt use EB for that build

or at least im not using EB for this build

if its better than regular 3SS + 3 EB build with severe and strike I dont know, but its definitely a option

[strange python]

Is galecallers simbait?

[void pecan]

If you can stand in it on use, no

[strange python]

Getting a massive dps loss in sims by using 465 plumage vs galecallers

[tribal obsidian]

Just try them both as said if you can stand in it

[strange python]

Do you basically just spam it?

[celest sundial]

Line the 2nd galecallers with 2nd exanguinate, but you need to use it pretty quick after it's back up to line it up with 2nd vendetta

[storm perch]

what do you mean massive dps loss?

like 10k? or something?

plumage is great trinket cause it's 2 min cd, like vendetta - and easy to use

gcb is bis, but hard to use

best thing to use gcb on 3/4 of your exang

but it's all about fight length and trinket usage

[tacit wedge]

!Help

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[tacit wedge]

i'm looking for the wa that make me say "poison bomb please don't move"

i checked wago.io, they are all dated from legion

[tropic ocean]

dont use that

and or use ct

😄

[tacit wedge]

ah

thanks

i suppose

[placid kindle]

worth simming clf over blood?

[idle nova]

Once you add a 2nd target blood pulls ahead by a fair bit

[merry plinth]

at what haste % is it worth to move to the exsanguinate build minus CT

[crimson palm]

69.97

[placid kindle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8fSxqyZvaN9DLkK5kzCj3H yeah just noticed huge difference on pure st

compared to https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/djLwff9BcyYVzueu7gafaX

[merry plinth]

68% haste baseline @crimson palm ?

[crimson palm]

no it has to be 69.97

and 34% crit

[fallow breach]

exaclty or you'll deal 0 dmg

[merry plinth]

just curious

cause my sims all show me doing more dps with exsanguinate even at 31% base

[balmy condor]

They’re trolling cause there’s no breakpoint where exsang is magically better for every character

It’s basically just

[merry plinth]

in other words sim it and if it says it's better do it

[balmy condor]

Ye

[merry plinth]

and ofcourse CT is where you need exped 3s

[balmy condor]

Yes, but you should be stacking exped’s anyway regardless of build

And CT will just happen eventually

It took until about 58 or 60% haste for me personally

But again, no hard breakpoints

So my numbers are fairly meaningless

[fickle jolt]

So I'm having a hard time on N'zoth. My DPS just seems low to me. Other than not dying what's the general strategy for Assassination on Heroic N'zoth?

[gritty quiver]

Best talents for M+ as assas

2212223?

[frosty kettle]

which guide is the best to follow from the ones pinned? icyveins wowhead or ravenholdt?

[balmy condor]

@fickle jolt Do you have logs?

@gritty quiver yep

[gritty quiver]

thanks @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

@frosty kettle depends on your build tbh, theres an exsang guide in the pins, but icyveins/wowhead/ravenholdt all have similar starter guides, so it shouldn’t make too much of a difference

[frosty kettle]

@balmy condor aight thank you!

[balmy condor]

Np

[fickle jolt]

Here are the logs on the pulls we did this week. I know my uptime is atrocious in the Psychus realm, but I feel like I'm just fumbling around down there most of the time. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/m4VgjyT1PL2Qt3Xv/

[harsh sphinx]

just from a glance your nzoth dmg seems pretty low on the 2 best pulls. one envenom in the vend/tb window on your first vendetta

[proven moth]

CT doesn't sim better for me :(

[balmy condor]

get more haste then

[proven moth]

Ive 67% and 70% with food

[balmy condor]

@fickle jolt I see some interesting fan of knives casts, and I concur with rav, your burst windows seem to be curious. I'm seeing 2ish envenoms in a TB, and some awkward vanish/vendetta casts

also you're running 3x NP with the VoP major, which is fine, but it will be INCREDIBLY inconsistent. N'zoth is a pretty timing heavy fight, and relying on RNG to get a majority of your damage is kinda eh in my opinion. I would also be pretty impressed if DS/TB/CT really is your highest damage setup, but that's a sim question

[verbal sparrow]

Any personal play tips on Drest as a Rogue ? 🤔
Started progressing that boss and it quite looks like one big mess as a melee, or at least these few pulls were horrible

[crimson palm]

Don't die

[harsh sphinx]

have a nice playlist going in the background, try not to get too bored

[distant lava]

hit glowy shit

play breath major

and walk out of the tentacle aoe when reality tear targets you

[fickle jolt]

I was trying to use Fan of Knives to cleave onto tentacles, but that's probably not a good idea here. I'm also not sure how to set up the talents so I'm probably doing that sub-optimally as well. Should I just ignore the tentacles on Psychus and just focus him? That causes difficulties for me dealing with sanity management when the fire comes out. Honestly I'm feeling lost most of the time. Outlaw was just hit blade flurry and push buttons 😦

[balmy condor]

If you need the energy, you can snipe tentacles with rupture

once its your turn to go down, you can focus them a little harder

Fan should be used at I wanna say 4+ with DD traits, but its been a while

so usually you won't be using fok

might be 3+

[sweet rampart]

Possibly a dumb question? Can someone explain to me why we prefer Gorak's mantle over the shoulders from ilynoth? Is it bad to run triple HoD, and having that one blightborne infusion makes a huge difference?

[balmy condor]

gorak is blightborne and blightborne is good

[crimson palm]

Possibly a dumb question? Can someone explain to me why we prefer Gorak's mantle over the shoulders from ilynoth? Is it bad to run triple HoD, and having that one blightborne infusion makes a huge difference?
@sweet rampart because it sims better :pepeclown-1:

[sweet rampart]

so blightborne > HoD in general?

[balmy condor]

generally yeah

but a mythic raden helm > blightborne helm

[sweet rampart]

because it has shroud too?

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah, but just ilvl tbh

[harsh sphinx]

clockwork heart might sim higher on 3-4 min fights than bbi for you as well if you can't get goraks

[sweet rampart]

yeah that is true, i should of been rolling on ilgynoth a long time ago :()

[balmy condor]

ilgy shoulders aren't bad

they're just not BiS

[sweet rampart]

i have only been running 2 SS since i haven't had a chance to get a SS on shoulders yet, i figured i was just stuck waiting of titan res vendor RNG

shoulda been rolling on ilg as a substitute until then though

[uncut walrus]

Is the gushing build still viable ?

[sweet rampart]

but i guess the problem is...i am only a heroic raider...i already have some 480 shoulders, (tent-laced) that have nothing personal, and Double dose...i wonder if i should actually just roll and get my other azerite pieces to 480 and not try to roll for the goruk tuls mantle,

[uncut walrus]

Just asking because i dont have enough echoes because im playing outlaw so idk

[rancid bobcat]

If you're never going to get mythic azerite any other way then roll other slots

But like you should pug mythic maut at least

[balmy condor]

@uncut walrus gushing wounds is pretty eh. It's okay to have as like a filler piece, but a full build around it is not going to be great

[uncut walrus]

Ok since i play Str/Sev on outlaw maybe i should play around it

i mean playing around Crit and not Gushing

[sweet rampart]

@rancid bobcat think so? my chances of getting triple shroud off leveling up those azerite pieces are slim. I am wondering it it would hurt more to just get those pieces up to 480 vs keeping them 460 and keeping SSx3 and HoDx3

[rancid bobcat]

Ilvl is pretty big but I haven't looked at other traits much so probably sim it

[fleet whale]

would a 3xss/3xdd build be viable?

[rancid bobcat]

Like I think shroud/DD is comparable and that's on a few pieces

[balmy condor]

"viable" is such a buzz word

if you're looking to clear heroic, you can run 3x TTK and brag about your envenom damage

and it'll be fine

but all of these things are strictly worse than the recommended

[sweet rampart]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ssS6dXZGng4epQb9DS1D67

Assuming i did it right, it does not look like it would be a dps increase to get ilygnoth shoulders over my 480s 😦

[slow helm]

for progress exsanguinate or toxic blade?

mythic vexiona

[rancid bobcat]

Whichever is more dps

[slow helm]

im sitting here with our other rogue thinking about since its a rly long fight and exsanguinate is based on bursting wouldnt toxic blade be stronger?

[balmy condor]

not quite how that works

if I gave you 20 dollars a week vs 80 dollars a month

its still the same money

[slow helm]

you know there's some month thats 5 weeks right?

[balmy condor]

that's not the point

[slow helm]

xD

[rancid bobcat]

Lamo being dense while asking questions

[balmy condor]

lower peaks more often doesn't mean more damage than higher peaks less often

[rancid bobcat]

Aight bud

[sweet rampart]

welp, guess i am rolling helm next 😦 Fuck...this is going to suck losing my SS lol

[rancid bobcat]

Doesn't matter if you lose 1 SS if it's still overall more damage

Vex is a single target fight if you're playing assassination

[balmy condor]

not with that attitude, watch me pad with 3x eb

but yeah, realistically we're not the aoe pumpers

[slow helm]

so its a try and see and not something people actually done much into?

[rancid bobcat]

Whichever is higher single target for you

[south isle]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[lean harbor]

so friends

is there a way to stay in the fire on wrathion without dying on mythic

cloak doesnt last long enough so idk what to do i die each time iv tried xd

[shrewd night]

Feint, into cheat death, into cloak ig

[harsh sphinx]

believe you cloak after 3 ticks should be around 30-40% hp

as well as the other stuff koffing mentioned

[strange python]

Why would you want to stay in the fire tho

Just maximize uptime on boss?

[harsh sphinx]

yes

[strange python]

So you're telling me instead of running away like everyone else, we can just feint, cloak, cheat death, etc., and keep wailing on him the whole time?

[lean harbor]

possible yeah

i do it on heroic but like

[quasi pewter]

you dont need feint and you dont need cheat death

[lean harbor]

every time i try on mythic iv died

[quasi pewter]

1 hp pot and cloak is enough

propably dont even need the hp pot

[strange python]

Well shit I'm going to try that out

That's exciting

3 ticks, cloak, hp pot

sold

[quasi pewter]

i never look at any ticks

just make sure to have cloak up when the cast finishes

and also

hp pot first

take another tick

then cloak

pmuch

[strange python]

nice

[quasi pewter]

hp pot after cloak is useless 😄

[strange python]

Any other tips like that? My guild is just starting mythic this weeeeeek

[harsh sphinx]

don't do it then

[quasi pewter]

you can stay in the small aoe with feint

[strange python]

oh im gonna do it

[quasi pewter]

idk what its called

galeblast

i think

[strange python]

Where everyone typically runs out?

[quasi pewter]

yea

doesnt do that much

idk if you need feint even but i always do for safety

[spark cloud]

assuming same ilvl, is hmming black dragonscale better than vita-charged? i did the weekly timewalking quest and got a dragonscale trinket

[fleet anchor]

Yeah just don't stand in a spot that screws the people who run out and charge back haha

Since you'll drop a circle on the ground

[spark cloud]

i would sim myself however i dont have a vita

[strange python]

That's fair lol. Yeah I need to maximize uptime on Wrath, my guild has kind of low dps overall

[quasi pewter]

vita is better on same ilvl

[strange python]

So feint for gale, stand in fire during whatever that shit is and hp+cloak

[fleet anchor]

Vita is significantly better than Dragonscale at the same ilevel

Dragonscale is a little meh unfortunately