clockwork is better in theory
#assassination
fleet whale
main blaze
Seems like clockwork isnt ever worth it for me
fleet whale
i just think Gorak tul shoulders has Overwhelming power
while the mechagon ones don't
steep plover
Is it worth droppijg IS 2 for 2 expedients? Im in the same boat
fleet whale
idk i kind of want too, but on my damage breakdown is 2 is like 10% of my damage always
fleet whale
And i use my ST setup with IS 2 on like 7 of the fights
and it's always around 8-10% of my damage sometimes reaching 12
steep plover
Ye fuck its usually a good chunk for me too
cobalt pelican
steep plover
Oh wow
fleet whale
like on a maut kill i just had... 12% of my damage was IS... and a vast majority of the time it hit maut
steep plover
Ye same for me at raden
cobalt pelican
% of damage is a pretty hard metric to glean info from
did you get above average procs?
fleet whale
main blaze
So for 3min sims Clockwork is much better, but Gorak's is better for 5min. Thats annoying.
cobalt pelican
yeah, this is above average hits even assuming pure patchwerk
not by a massive amount but yeah
fleet whale
i'll even link a mythic log, only 8.6% of damage this time so a little below average...
but even still, IS hits maut a very high majority of the time and the adds are up longer in mythic
cobalt pelican
it's pretty safe to say expedient would be better in that case
fleet whale
I mean would it? The haste i would gain from expedient would have to make up for over 8% of the damage from IS. More reliable and less risky cause of shield phase for sure
cobalt pelican
8% of your damage is only 6k dps, i'm fairly confident without even checking your profile that 50 corruption of expedient is more than 6k dps on a 5min sim
7k rather
dawn rock
IS is trash its well known. any argument for it is silly
keen moss
what azerite should i be running for m vexiona?
steep plover
I go bote
vital haven
@cobalt pelican ideally how many casts should the clf pet get?
keen moss
i mean what traits
grizzled jay
Sims say that 475 humming with hole is only 0.5% worse than Lustrous 
thinking about swapping to the humming
cobalt pelican
sim gets 37ish st during lust opener clf, 29ish on the second cast with no lust
obv varies a bit depending on your haste/etc
but i think most people are around 75-80% haste in the same template gear now anyways
grizzled jay
Nameless is this idea bad
cobalt pelican
the difference is likely bigger on shorter fight lengths and it's like
not hard to play plumage
just macro it to vend like a lazy person
vital haven
AINT THAT THE TRUTH
cobalt pelican
if your only goal is to go fast then go for it i suppose
vital haven
i mean how much haste do you have already @grizzled jay
astral tiger
I'm struggling to find a good place for a second vendetta on cara, do I just hold for p3? I feel like the synapses die too quickly for it to be useful there
grizzled jay
37% with humming/vita
grizzled mist
does anyone have a spare min to help me out quick. im just wondering why Crimson Tempest and BotE sim so low for me. is it too low haste?https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rs5hryH8uVQsc2Wb2oXXPx
my stats
astral tiger
bote is gonna always sim lower than clf, but it's better in practice most find
Also, you'll really want an on use for your vendetta
like plumage or galecallers
or gladiator's
grizzled mist
yeah i just havent gotten any to drop
very unlucky
CT being 1541 dps lower sure isnt right though
which confuses
astral tiger
CT?
grizzled mist
Crimson Tempest
astral tiger
ohh
grizzled mist
oh that reminds me, does anyone know why the sims are telling me to get so much Crit?
strange python
clf instead of blood?
grizzled jay
@grizzled mist Once you get a certain amount of Haste, Crit starts scaling better
cobalt pelican
there's probably a few factors that go into ct besides haste but generally like
even for people like me at 80%ish ct isn't a massive st gain
like 1k or something
grizzled jay
CT becomes much better on all the cleave fights though right
grizzled mist
thanks for all of the help. appreciate it! good to have the answers now. was confusing me for a while now lol
seems like every rogue i see runs CT no matter what
grizzled mist
yeah that's fair.
grizzled jay
and becomes better in cleave, which most the fights + trash are
grizzled mist
true yeah. im still progging. so ill get there
cobalt pelican
are the rogues you see doing the big dam on the logs or
strange python
its very relaxing getting to play 1 build/setup for everything for a change
drifting cloud
grizzled mist
nah it was actually a... not good player, which made me think if i missed something.
drifting cloud
simmins i hard
grizzled mist
would you recommend i dump CLF for Blood at this point?
drifting cloud
theyre both green what do u mean
grizzled jay
Leeching Poison 
cobalt pelican
but exsanguinate and ct are red
drifting cloud
yeah its -1.3k
grizzled jay
that must be a farm talent
strange python
rogue healing parses duh
red bloom
Are some big brains still running the azshara gloves if we don’t have corruption on that slot?
drifting cloud
I used 455 for quite a while
think they were around even or slightly worse than 470socket
but I had other slots to put sockets in
red bloom
Hmm right on, I’ll have to check and see if I have any in the bank
grizzled mist
is it just generally better to use BotE even though CLF sims higher?
drifting cloud
depends on your guilds kill timers
charred harbor
so you want CT past 65% haste?
drifting cloud
and on the boss
red bloom
Sims like to prepull with clf as well don’t they?
undone nacelle
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Its very hard to make statements about stat trends in the current patch.
Please use a simulation to generate results for your personal gear situation.
broken dirge
Is there a cap for Haste ?
arctic walrus
no
broken dirge
And mastery?
arctic walrus
no caps for any stat
broken dirge
I change some gems and enchant from haste to mastry
Now my mastry +1400 and 5070 hate unbuff
fleet anchor
@cobalt pelican I mean I think CT is a pretty huge gain on at least 4 fights in there, maybe more. So the fact that it's marginally better in ST is basically just a bunch of "free" AoE damage without respeccing or changing rotation. So it's kinda "why not" really. 😛
At least for me, CT is a solid 1% increase over PB which is not huge but definitely will take it if I'm going for max damage.
cobalt pelican
yeah i don't ever not play it, but it's not super abnormal for it to be a 1% loss for medium geared people on patchwerk
fleet anchor
Yeah I could see that
cobalt pelican
if people still want to take it on the fights with 2t+ value that's fine in that case
serene osprey
CT kind of goes up in value depending on how twitchy your tank is that night
fleet anchor
There is some advantages to having a semi-ranged ability when our Energy tops out so easily atm lol
Although I have definitely seen some funny hitbox interactions
Like the first boss in Shrine I noticed seems to be really strange in that you have to be well inside his hitbox in order for CT to hit him, even though he's within melee range, it's very odd
But overall I really enjoy playing with CT
glacial steppe
fleet anchor
Yeah although in this case I was seeing CT not hit even when Mutilate could hit, which is quite abnormal. But haven't really seen too much else like that
Otherwise the AoE on CT is generally pretty large
fathom swift
Only one I really noticed ct bugging out on was p2 on carapace
Had to like jump to get it to hit properly
fleet anchor
Jumping does give AoEs more range typically, since you get the movement bonus
fathom swift
I thought it was just buggy z axis
fleet anchor
That could be also in the case of Carapace, but all AoEs in WoW do get additional range while the game thinks you are "moving" to fudge position sync issues
It's like 2y or something iirc
fathom swift
interesting, never heard of that before
i guess me randomly spamming jump all these years actually had value
fleet anchor
haha
Normal melee abilities get additional range if both source and target are moving, but AoEs gain it if only the source is moving
unreal mesa
need to macro that now
main forge
damn... broke 225k on burst at the pull on maut... highest damage I have seen this tier. and then I herpa derpa and decide to fuck up the simple mechanics.
inland garnet
If i have both mediocre azerite helm (traits) and shoulds with the same ilevel( 465) should i rather buy helm or chest?
strange python
depends what content you can and want to do
like mythic maut is easy and can get you a helm (or be engi and craft one) while the first chest you could get is from vexiona
assa m+?
there's 3 chests with ss/eb and only 1 helm with it i think
idk
i would recommend you play outlaw until you dont have to sweat about the azerite anymore
because it's a truely unfun experience
analog glade
Hello, if we play galecaller, It is better to use it at the same time as the vendetta or just after ?
strange python
if you play exsang make sure you use it before that
fallow otter
Am I the only one using coral with exang? Plumage isn't an upgrade for me nor is 475 gcb
analog glade
With my guild we are going to burst under 2 min Maut, so I would like to know if I should have played Galecaller and Vop
or not
patent topaz
analog glade
For second burst on vendetta
Its not a bad idea imo
But u vendetta 10 sec
And maut die :/
normal zenith
Returning wow player. What is the most common in Ny'alother and other raids: Single target or multi target?
rancid bobcat
single target is overall the most important
normal zenith
Okay. Thanks
hollow escarp
mighty elm
@analog glade just yoink someones clf with formless and force a raider to run spark
analog glade
xD
stable relic
Do you really need two sets of gears for raids and M+ or is there a fine balance you can strike as an assassination rogue
shut garnet
given the statweights are almost flipped from one form of content to the other
rancid bobcat
Nope it plays almost like a completely different spec
stable relic
😦 well that’s uneventful
tropic ocean
@stable relic u can play m+ with raidset (azerite and corruption) but it will be kinda behind to 3 ss 3eb
🙂
civic hatch
is it normal for expedient to start simming ahead of severe/gushing wounds in dungeonslice? its telling me to use expedient
quiet finch
vestal dune
Why does the APL hold blood of the enemy so long after the vanish vendetta ashvanes?
The previous use was at 2:34
There are no exsanguinates after the blood of the enemy
blissful storm
if my dot crimson tempest is going down and my rupture dot is going down which one should I refresh first?
arctic walrus
rupture
vast forum
both within pandemic 
if they're both expiring at the same time, you fucked up your previous finisher
crimson palm
u dont have to fuck up ur finisher it happens sometimes
vast forum
how?
if they're both expiring at the same time, you can refresh CT with <4 sec
and have enough time to build for rupture (in case it's exsanguinated)
and if it's not exsanguinated, you rupture <7 and build for CT
the fact that they're both expiring at the same time means that you used an envenom recently and not refreshed 1 of them
which is TECHNICALLY fucking up
crimson palm
aye
usually happens to me with the low cp ruptures but that's mostly autopilot fucking up
vast forum
but it's still fucking up 😛
so ye, if that situation happens, rupture is prio, but should work on not letting it happen in the first place
bleak spoke
wait is this dude a genius https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GcT3t8jWH2CMQa4h#fight=50&type=damage-done&source=51 @arctic walrus
AM I ABOUT TO PLAY THIS
FOR SOME HUGE FUN
arctic walrus
this is a big
arctic walrus
this build is the new "got another 1.9mil crit on raden, hopefully next week 2mil"
warm parcel
why 
coarse tusk
It's fun in that it's mutilate finisher
bleak spoke
It’s got 6k stat sheet crit Lool
warm parcel
that could feel nice tho
back at argus with 80% mut crit
and low cost garrote
smooth
bleak spoke
Also double 490 azerite is kinda Pog
warm parcel
argus dj
arctic walrus
if only mut crits procced dispatch
bleak spoke
yeah 90% env crits
arctic walrus
also dj this is probably better than masterfuls because you have no haste so the crits make up for not needing as much energy
bleak spoke
89.8% crit on garrote ticks l0l
distant lava
is it like
bleak spoke
like this doesn't seem super high rolly at all
distant lava
a cool build that's kinda up to par
warm parcel
time to go full severe
bleak spoke
if all his abilities are literally at 90% crit
warm parcel
bleak spoke
lmao
distant lava
or could it be better
bleak spoke
that just seems fun lmao
wet ruin
100% crit on melee 
arctic walrus
reminds me of hfc rogue
distant lava
I like bleed build tho
bleak spoke
like look at this SLAMMENING https://i.imgur.com/ooB8q8H.png
that's actually POG
that looks fun as hell
warm parcel
100%
arctic walrus
ofc
coarse tusk
Seems like a low dps ceiling. At that much crit what are you praying for? Ta procs?
distant lava
wdym 6k crit on sheet you baboon
warm parcel
I dont think this lad cares about logs at this point
bleak spoke
it's not 6k it's like 5k
distant lava
he has 5k
bleak spoke
that's a possibilit innit
distant lava
by downtime
wet ruin
he is also playing 34 corruption btw
bleak spoke
what
arctic walrus
imagine not wanting to pad and cleave 
coarse tusk
Wrathion
warm parcel
why would you fok even
bleak spoke
how do you get cucked on ilgy
warm hazel
Hi guys. Is it possible to play 3DD with subterfuge and no SS in raid ?
warm parcel
waste of a gcd
distant lava
at least that's something the m+ boys can aim for
bleak spoke
even if you're surrounded by bloods
distant lava
so they can have 1 set except azerites for both
bleak spoke
dude it's not even like his gear is wild
warm parcel
I just want a nice and relaxing assa
bleak spoke
they're not even high-crit
warm parcel
not this zoomer spec
distant lava
wait which one is zoomer spec ?
crimson palm
wdym
crimson palm
assa is 5s focus 2 min chill
distant lava
ye
crimson palm
all you need to do is not overwrite emp bleeds KEKW
bleak spoke
i want to spend 4 seconds saying oh i think i made a mistake if i envenomed before tb
bleak spoke
^
distant lava
bro have you seen this guy
bleak spoke
literally
distant lava
his apm isn't lower
distant lava
@warm parcel you can play outlaw for lower apm 
bleak spoke
i want to, between every cast, look around to see what type of wild shit other people are getting into
distant lava
not even memeing
crimson palm
and afk between windows lmao
warm parcel
utlaw
distant lava
it's slower tho
coarse tusk
Fuck that I like the haste
distant lava
good for your boomer reflexes
warm parcel
I meean
distant lava
bleak spoke
yo
bleak spoke
https://i.imgur.com/UxO59fg.png i don't want this shit anymore
this is fucking annoying
i play a rogue not a demon hunter
coarse tusk
It's fun
bleak spoke
this dude is literally casting 20 less cpm
so like 10 less globals because muti is scuffed
warm parcel
I just dislike exsang for proge
Cause it really doesnt work well with bosses
Its just way more inefficient than tb when it comes to any form of mechanics you gotta do
vagrant dirge
😦
bleak spoke
yeh idk like people are like exsang's really fire and forget but it feels like the opposite to me
it really feels like an uptime spec
limber lion
But tb forces you to tunnel the target for 10s. I like exsang way more personally
coarse tusk
Mut counts as 2 casts but needs to cast less muts cause he combo caps faster so that skews cpm
bleak spoke
exsang forces you too but because of different reasons
cuz you have energy to tunnel you must
LUL
warm parcel
A. You have to prep for exsang
B. you have to stick to the target for a longer time
C. You have a larger punishment for oor/not prepping
bleak spoke
@coarse tusk yehthat's fair
warm parcel
Than tb which you can just slap onto a new target that needs to die
And then you smack that target with envenoms
distant lava
but it gives you more burst during cds
warm parcel
exsang?
bleak spoke
man i wouldn't compare 1 tb to 1 exsang favorably for exsang man
distant lava
ye
warm parcel
sure the 2 min window of exsang is far superior
limber lion
You have to prep for tb as well, can't exactly start a tb window with 0cp and 0 energy
bleak spoke
it's specifically your vendetta/vanish where exsang is nuts
distant lava
which is one of our main strenghts
warm parcel
you cant exactly start with a garrote and rupture on a new target with exsang
you have to spend a lot more globals swapping to them than tb
that can literally tb
bleak spoke
^
you can have bleeds on a different target than your tb one
people seem to not understand this
limber lion
But after you use exsang, you can switch targets and refresh the dots when they fall off
bleak spoke
your energy is off of bleeds ticking on poisoned targets
your swap burst is literally your tb window
limber lion
You don't have to funnel your envenoms/mutilates on a target that's exsanguinated
bleak spoke
so sure it's more damage to have garroted and ruptured the target you're swapping to
warm parcel
Lemme give you a practical example
vast forum
what is this discussion even?
warm parcel
On raden you have exsang coming up, void add is spawning and you know that void add has to die.
So you exsang the void. You have to first apply rupture and then build up to a new one on this void all the meanwhile you can be targeted by the aoe and run out or have to soak the bouncy ball
bleak spoke
there's a log of a gamer playing triple ttk with severes enough to have 90% crit yoppa
and they're pretty decent logs
warm parcel
All the while tb can literally hit tb on the void
and envenom it twice to not really lose anything
what if you exsang and have to run out?
oops 200 energy down the drain
oops all bleeds fell off
limber lion
But if you're playing a build that does not use expedients, generally you want to rupture them as well to have energy during the tb window
warm parcel
yes
limber lion
You'll run out of energy pretty quickly if you just smack a tb and start envenomin
warm parcel
but you can go into the add with combo points
just like exsang would
but exsang needs another build up for the second rupture
bleak spoke
you also have energy from your prior target
warm parcel
to be optimal
bleak spoke
as i said, your energy comes from bleeds ticking from a poisoned target, not bleeds ticking on your tb target
warm parcel
and you cant smack envenoms with either build on every gcd when youre doing mechanics
sharp snow
ey people, can someone explain me how echoing blades works
does it stack
or its just cause of dmg
warm parcel
but tb doesnt really care cause
A. it doesnt have to hit every 9 gcds during tb
limber lion
How is garrote > rupture > exsang more prep than rupture > muti (> muti) > tb
warm parcel
B. it doesnt overcap in 2 seconds
well
doing a shit exsang like that
is not optimal to begin with
lol
bleak spoke
^
bleak spoke
if you hit garrote rupture exsang on a swap target then it's just actually awful lol
bronze aurora
warm parcel
And even if we look at the apl;
Exsang requires a lot of work to be an optimised one where as tb is literally press on cd
cinder vessel
how is the opener with CT is it same?
warm parcel
There has been countless times people have tried to make some form of cool tb conditions that all fall short of just press it
bleak spoke
the only tb condition that has stuck to the wall over the years so to speak
is "you can cast tb at 5 cp"
limber lion
Well, the add doesn't survive that long, so doing a huge prep for pandemic garrote/rupture is kind of a waste. Running TB on Ra-den would still result in lower dps overall, maybe higher on add damage but not much more.
warm parcel
Now sure
limber lion
Pretty sure you want to pool energy for it as well and not just literally press it whenever it's up
warm parcel
But Im talking about progression where shit actually matters
limber lion
Like you actually have to be aware of it coming off cd
warm parcel
Now you can just ignore the add
bleak spoke
literally we did 1 add set last night lmao
warm parcel
Yea now you can surely do what ever Ill give you that
limber lion
We just had our fire mage combust and that pretty much killed it lmao
warm parcel
Raden is a way different beast now than it was
limber lion
Yeah that's true
warm parcel
And again going back to tb prep
warm parcel
Im not joking when I say only condition in apl is that rupture is up on the target
So even sometimes apl casts it at times "we would see as poor tbs"
limber lion
Why doesn't the apl require to pool energy?
warm parcel
Cause it never turned out to be a gain
limber lion
Like optimally you'd want at least 2 envenoms during the window, right?
warm parcel
Over just pressing it
bleak spoke
now for the real reason i'm excited about this build, look at this kill timer I AM ACTUALLY MALDING man
warm parcel
Yea well
crystal basin
is worldvein any good in raid?
arctic walrus
You always had energy procs to fit in enough envenoms
bleak spoke
2:21 KEKW
warm parcel
You will quite easily get 2 envenoms in a tb
arctic walrus
didn't need pooled energy
bleak spoke
even in uldir you could always get 2
warm parcel
Even without really trying
warm parcel
Its just when bleed refreshes hit the window, it doesnt automatically happen
bleak spoke
idk man i'm getting 1 vanish in this fight i rather it be in blood lust
wet ruin
@bleak spoke here is this guys sims, using the exact gear he had and even adding 20 comre corruption, so it would appear he is not a genious https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bda3uuumsfSZrJdfJdcu89
bleak spoke
like the problem is exsang doesn't actually make your vanish do more dammie right
warm parcel
I aint saying hes genious
bleak spoke
it's like
wet ruin
my gear with full exp and SS tb seems to be just 2 k less
warm parcel
Exsang will likely hold the best sim dps
bleak spoke
it just compresses the window
warm parcel
By far
distant lava
idk if exsang requires more uptime ngl
cause sure when you press it you need more uptime than tb
but you press tb twice as much
wet ruin
I was curious to see what he was simming as well and if it was even close
warm parcel
Yea Im strictly speaking time after you press that row talent
distant lava
yeye ok
wet ruin
but seems like its not anything to stress over about
bleak spoke
you do have to stick onto the boss more often, if not for longer
yeah i mean i'm not stressing over it i'm just saying it looks like a lot of fun
warm parcel
Like tb just doesnt come up as an as important spell to "prep around" from all the apl trialing that has gone into it
distant lava
fun thing to try if you can be arsed farming full severe
bleak spoke
i don't really care how much better or worse it sims if it's at lesat competitive
wet ruin
yea, I saw it like 2 weeks ago and was curious as well
distant lava
and reforging the shoulders from outlaw
bleak spoke
and like that looks really competitive to me
wet ruin
does it though
warm parcel
Im honestly just interested as I want to play some vop again
Gimme the ultimate lazy ass spec
bleak spoke
i mean he's got a playable ranking on ilg with it
like 7th for boss damage ain't bad
and 90% crit sounds like tons of fun idk
warm parcel
Ill keep advertising the good ol argus meta again and again
2+4 tier with boots bracers 80% mut crit
So smooth
wet ruin
yea, but he is simming 5k less than my profile and like 8k less for others profiles and this guy is jacked up
distant lava
never played it
warm parcel
Yes he is
Koji has said since the vendor came out that haste builds will edge out at the end
Crit is slightly behind and gw just isnt a thing anymore
arctic walrus
Haste build edges you crit lets you finish
warm parcel
And when you go haste, exsang is again slightly ahead of tb
What Im more interested in is how valuable would ttk become at high crit
If any
arctic walrus
Dd would still have been better for him I feel
wet ruin
if you can get the gear from the gear compare I did you can try it, but I don't know how and if its possible and cba entering all the gear again
warm parcel
Yeah Imma just use my char after I do these midsummer ques
Fuck that with gear compare
bleak spoke
doesn't ttk scale pretty good though
coarse tusk
It could but he casting probably half as many mutilates with all that crit.
bleak spoke
like the jump between 480 and 490 ttk
distant lava
thought it was garbo ngl
bleak spoke
is kind of alot
warm parcel
Thats a good point about mut casts
But those mut casts would also always have env up for dd
and dd can crit
so
bleak spoke
yeah ttk almost certain gains value the more envenoms you cast
warm parcel
and no clue how much ttk gains from azerite ilvl
bleak spoke
number goes from like 10k to 12k per cp or soemthing
wet ruin
Im pretty sure even before you had pretty good uptime on envenom buff
bleak spoke
i was pvping and i wanted to see how much better using my cara chest would be
warm parcel
P good yes
bleak spoke
and it looked very good
wet ruin
I think 80 yea
bleak spoke
the sim you ran says the sim had 90%
distant lava
is he running deeper btw ?
distant lava
bleak spoke
deeper would feel awful with this
distant lava
I mean
bleak spoke
like lmao if you're about to muti twice
distant lava
even if you finish only at 4
bleak spoke
yeah sure but like
distant lava
that's still 5% on env
bleak spoke
clearly this dude wants to have fun innit
finishing at 4 when you're deeper sounds like a great way to give yourself an aneurysm
even if it's alright or whatever
also ttk's buff is per combo point
wchih is interesting
would like to check a bunch of different corruption setups with this
severes? masterfuls? mastery procs? etc
severe strikethrough use-your-outlaw-set? KEKW
No matter what I doubt it’ll outsim exsang expedient setups
But I don’t doubt it’d be pretty fun to play and not that far behind which is okay for farm innit
crystal basin
hey do we use worldvein in raids
distant lava
lettuce look at outlaw real quick
humble tiger
is there a guide on how to play assa in mythic+?
not talking gear more like what skills at what target count and how to spread dots
lethal bobcat
is full Severe Okish for dungeons or is the strikethroughs almst a demand for it?
lethal bobcat
ye but i dont even have severes
and have to save for either one
cuse they come pretty close to one naother lol
severes are more important right?
bleak spoke
for sin in m+ probably? can't say for sure
but you definitely need the severes for the strikethroughs to be good i think
lethal bobcat
guess i will just save for severes then
brisk delta
Does anyone here have the alpha?
coarse tusk
I do
wooden osprey
Good morning! Is it worth spending resources on Exp II this coming Friday? Got a 475 waist with corruption that makes my dps go down if I replace a 465 with Exp III on it. 465 with 12% haste Exp vs 475 with 9% haste EXP. I'll sim of course, but didn't want to waste the resources if you guys already know the outcome.
brisk delta
Cool. How does the night fae covenant feel gameplay wise atm?
distant lava
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/96bAjGXZ1MfQLT5owLdGh2 @bleak spoke come at me bro
coarse tusk
Garbage atm
distant lava
@arctic walrus
coarse tusk
Using it solo content resets mobs
arctic walrus
we have approached it awhile ago
arctic walrus
but that means clf major 🤢
brisk delta
:C
distant lava
for like everysituation, except maybe on pull
brisk delta
A second vanish sounded cool imo
arctic walrus
yeah formless a good chunk behind bote minor
coarse tusk
It might be in raids
coarse tusk
It just doesn't work well in open world content
brisk delta
Oh, then we'll have to wait until dungeon and raid content are more accesible for testing, I guess
wet ruin
@arctic walrus you simmed with masterfull navigaition on both daggers, so maybe that is skewing the results
distant lava
wait is galecallers really simming lower than plumage
arctic walrus
@wooden osprey literally all we can tell you to do is sim it because it's just a wild number game that nobody can predict. Just make sure to have enough combinations set so it will sim all available pieces and you get an accurate result
bleak spoke
wait what oh god i need to check masterful too now?
holy moly
i'm fried
give me ttk severe build i give up
crimson palm
for 34% crit
bleak spoke
he needed a way to make them fast
arctic walrus
@distant lava it does sim better for I did some weird shit to expedite a sim just to link
you think I"m taking my ass to an AH and crafting for 2 hours of my day that I could spend wasting elsewhere
quasi pewter
well yes
distant lava
not 475 
arctic walrus
maybe if the vendor was in the game 5 months ago
solar latch
what boss on heroic should i spend my coins on
limber lion
Cara
feral flare
What's Honed Mind? Saw the expedient build guide mention it.
dawn moat
mastery proc
feral flare
Really? Mastery. Interstate...
Interesting*
I've been stacking Haste>Crit. When does mastery come into play?
strange python
mastery is just pretty damn good for the exsang ss build, thats all
sim your top gear and see it yourself, sometimes it will select hast mast over hast crit, etc.
and honed mind r3 is in the BiS Setup because mastery is good, AND because it simply is more corruption than full exp3 stack
feral flare
Suppose I just need to get to that point. Still 5x expedients short.
strange python
can't really compare 35 corruption to 20 cor
it's something that only comes into play at the very end anyways, ye
feral flare
Cool, ty for clearing that up.
rotund oak
Hey hey guys,besides the obvious exsang-tempest build,since im kinda new in progress with raiding and there is inconsistency with my uptime,we doing raden mythic tonight,wanted to ask if MA with VoP major is actually solid for the fight
royal lantern
strange python
Hey guys. I am looking for a WA to show me when to not refresh my bleeds (SS/Subt/Exsang build). In dungeons its very easy to lose track of which targets have my empowered garrote (Exsang is not that big of a problem).
From what i see Garrote/ SS Garrote and Exs Garrote have the exact same id. Is there some other flag that i can track through API or smth?
Atm what i have done is made a WA that proccs when:
- Exs is over X sec CD, or
- for X secs after Subt faded.
gz @royal lantern
Anyone with a no refresh WA? 😄
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
main forge
Anyhow search luxos weakaura on google. His has a green countdown when empowered
Works for exsang too
strange python
I see, will do that thx.
main forge
Also z YouTube about them so that's neat too.
tropic ocean
@royal lantern du sack
@rotund oak uhm exsang build is stronger with inconsistent uptime cuz u just need to have uptime every 2 min to get full trait value
Vision major suffers from uptime issues
as its proc based
@strange python u only should put 3 garrotes empowered so
royal lantern
@tropic ocean still sims lower then vita+coral
tropic ocean
There shouldnt be any issue tracking empowered ones but yeah theres weak auras that show different color for it
elfin saffron
hey for m+ wiht EBx3 and SSx3 is hidden blades better or CT
tropic ocean
Ct
strange python
@tropic ocean Thanks for the reply 🙂 This is exactly my issue though. Lets say there are 4 mobs and i dont vanish. 3 of them have empowered garrote and 1 of them doesnt, while rotating for rupture, you lose track of which mob has what garrote.
strange python
why?
tropic ocean
because non empowered garrote dps/energy value is inferior to rupture
so you put 3 buffed garrotes 1 rupture to sustain energy
Then when garrotes drop replace them with ruptures
usually need 4 to sustain energy, 5 if you have really low haste
strange python
if anything i have too much haste atm... need more crit
topaz valley
how do you compare essences on gear compare ?
strange python
85h 23c
strange python
so lets say im vs 8 targets and i dont vanish. i should just put out 3 empowered garrotes and then all into rupture/crimson?
topaz valley
@tropic ocean thanks
tropic ocean
And then it depends on ur azerite
topaz valley
found a way
strange python
bote
tropic ocean
With echoings just spam fok
strange python
3ss/2eb/1bi
tropic ocean
Or use fok to build and envenom into prio mob
Depending on whether you want overall or prio dmg
strange python
lets say overall for now
is feels weird, to not bleed that much and focus more on fok
but ill give this a try i guess
tropic ocean
well it will definetely improve ur dps
bleak spoke
I think with 2 eb you finish for elaborate planning
bleak spoke
Isn’t it the natural way to spread ruptures though
To give yourself good energy sustain etc
tropic ocean
read above
bleak spoke
Yes 4 bleeds to sustain 35e/s at 11% haste we’ve talked about it for years zzz
With a severe setup and very very little haste it seems that rupturing to extend ep after ct is right still
noble pilot
What's the difference between Gladiator's Medallion and Plumage? Medallion sims higher by a tiny margin on gear compare but they seem identical?
warm parcel
margin of error
bleak spoke
G G G R F CT F F F R assuming crits are happening like that’s the 10th global of the opener
Seems like a good time to start worrying about e regen
Shrug
crimson palm
plumage gives 2 more versa than medallion
warm parcel
aka margin of error
crimson palm
it's still better
bleak spoke
... lol
bleak spoke
Yes, you can consistently expect to not get a 475 plum, and it’s 50/50 you’re good at pvp or you suck. Huge rng there
scarlet sequoia
just get good
bleak spoke
okay raz like i watch you attack people and when you connect they disappear and then i attack someone and nothing happens then i die
game is too hard
dark crag
Did someone say plumage?
cobalt pelican
attack faster
deft obsidian
Some day...:P
robust lake
So whats the final word on 4+ targets? With 4 bleeds rolling, finish with Env? Then reapply rupture as bleeds fall off?
cobalt pelican
4+ covers from 4 to infinite so that's a pretty wide margin
in normal dungeon pulls generally that would be the idea though yes
robust lake
Yeah thinking multi group pulls in m+. Just gotta stop bleeding all the things...
hidden bay
cobalt pelican
galesnorers
spring topaz
https://gyazo.com/b21249bb04e50dfad2cf3e7b84bfc58d got the last ring today #feelsgood
crimson palm
Disgusting
deft obsidian
Added plumage for the low blow
spring topaz
haha :D Yup
deft obsidian
Gz though! 🙂
spring topaz
tyvm
fallow breach
warm fulcrum
woven phoenix
1
void pecan
I don't think I've got a single trinket out of my box
sullen pagoda
https://i.imgur.com/dWS0NX9.png any hastes in the chat
warm parcel
only at 73 ooc
strange python
YEah
woven phoenix
👎
grim trellis
worth not to apply Crippling for Sanguine weeks?
strange python
dunno
warm parcel
strange python
😾
main forge
I just want to thank everyone here... Yinz are super helpful! And I finally got a sim(albeit a 3 min one...) that breaks 100k dps
main forge
yeah I know
I finally think I am at the point where I can put them in pieces I don't have replacements in the pipeline for
cobalt pelican
if you don't have 100% haste are you really trying??
ornate gazelle
jokes on all of you, i have 847553845% haste
shy axle
do you play clf on carapace if it sims better than bote in patchwerk or do you prefer bote on that fight? Unsure
crimson palm
if you're phasing the boss too fast in p1 bote gets a lot of value with your 2nd vendetta
crimson palm
when do you use your 2nd vendetta
shy axle
i use it on one of these big things on the wall, idk the english name, the 4th one and do it alone as fast as i can
crimson palm
ye so use bote in that case and go for the stacked growths (2 on left, 3 on right)
assuming ur playing 3ss
hexed dock
can anyone explain this
i have been stacking haste and expedient
but i get these results
why is every other stat is still higher
royal lantern
statweights is pretty ussules
hexed dock
they dont include the values from expedient or smth?
royal lantern
nah, statweights as a sim option is simply ussules cus it helps with almost nothing
and even in your statweights haste is 9.3 while your highest stat is 10.6
lean marten
royal lantern
you can gem sim in topgear too
keen dome
You use twisted appendage. It is not affected by haste, thus crit or vers gets higher value. @hexed dock
bleak spoke
If only 1 I think clf vendetta on pull and then clf vendetta start of p3 and another time in p3
hexed dock
thanks that makes sense
stable relic
what does it mean when the guide says "when the scale factors says its the highest"
tropic ocean
?
stable relic
lol am i supposed to sim somewhere specific to find that out, or is it just the highest secondary stat
stable relic
im assuming its not on raidbots?
rancid bobcat
It is
tropic ocean
u can choose any weapon enchant combo on raid bots
robust lake
Yeah. If possible find a friend or guildy that has a paid account...you run out of iterations in a hurry when changing gems and enchants. Or I guess buy your own account for RB...
quartz depot
Excuse me, thats highly illegal
lime cove
it's against the ToS on raidbots. it's not illegal. popo aint coming to your house to bust ya.
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
unborn otter
Wait, it's against the ToS to have someone run sims for you?
Or are we just talking about account sharing
lime cove
from raidbot twitter: If I get premium on your site, can I share my login with my m+ group or is that not allowed / not possible ?
answer: Basically “at your own risk” - I don’t officially support it, policy may change, I may implement rate limits, abusers may get warned/banned. 5 normal users likely fine, more than that or very heavy use that impacts other users might get warned. All subject to change
latent heath
which talents should i use on assa rogue for M+
shy axle
killed carapace today and trying nzoth for the first time, any valuable rogue tipps next to the things mentioned in the guide?
distant lava
save step for paranoia
feint every torment
focus tentacles not psychus (you just keep bleeds up on him)
cloak late when you have to soak so you immune evoke anguish too
royal lantern
disable your dps meter or you get depressed
unborn otter
Pad on Psychus
to not be derpressed
safe river
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
safe river
!build
royal lantern
there is a guide in the pins
strange python
i see some using crimson tempest now, even on single target.. why? does it become better with full expedient or?
distant lava
yep
strange python
i got like 5 rank 3 expedient, didnt seem better for me yet
desert kelp
Passed PB for me, got 7 rank 3s ^^
distant lava
then don't use it ^^
strange python
it simmed better for me at like 65%
desert kelp
on another note tho, weird question but for some weird reason I feel like I'm doing way less dmg this week, as if my corruptions weren't functioning completely
could just be bad rng or imagining things though
distant lava
maybe your azerite isn't working
strange python
aight cool, ill keep using poison bomb untill i get more expedient
distant lava
sometimes it bugs out
desert kelp
could be
strange python
uuhm
desert kelp
cause last week I was trying stuff out and keeping a stable 130-150k
for a minute or so
but now I can't even keep above 80k for a minute for god knows why
without any rotational changes
icy oasis
Hey, first vanish I should use when my emp garrote is about to fall off?
desert kelp
I mean if it's SS bugging out, that would pretty much explain it all
was it fixed by unequipping and equipping again?
remember hearing something like that a long time back
strange python
idk
mine usually bugs while doing wqs
and then works when I hearthstone or smth
strange python
and it works?
desert kelp
opener doing 60k more dps
strange python
desert kelp
god I love this indie company
astral tiger
@icy oasis yes, when it runs out, pop vanish and reapply(twice)
icy oasis
@astral tiger best scenario Mutilate (3CP) > Vanish > Garrote > Rupture > Garrote, right?
astral tiger
No because your rupture should still be exsang'd
strange python
yes
astral tiger
Just CT or Envenom, I think
strange python
replace it with CT or Envenom
icy oasis
Ok thanks, that was prob my mistake
wet ruin
what are you even saying, what is wrong with garrote->rupture->garrote
strange python
he means in first vanish
wet ruin
ah, right
strange python
the rupture will still be exsanged when that comes
jovial hinge
hello, new to assassination here. If i dont want to play the exsnaguinate spec only because i dont have enough haste corruption. what secondary stat should i be going for?
royal lantern
eh, just sim yourself, stats are pretty close without it
favors haste/crit with the normal tb build
jovial hinge
ok will do ty 😄 current stats are 38% crit, 35% Haste,30% mastery and 7% verse. sound ok?
main forge
shooting in the dark here... whats your sim dps at? about 65k?
from what i saw anyhow... my stat weights were about 1 to 1.5 points apart... so having a different stat was a loss of dps but it wasn't huge
jovial hinge
ill run it real quick and see
lethal bobcat
with TB is it better to go master assassin on subturfuge is still ok?
or you only go subturfuge if you using SS?
and is TB good with SS as well or must go DD?
jovial hinge
sim says 80.9k
lethal bobcat
ive been playing a while with exsang... but i still dont know if i like it lol
wide ridge
do you guys go 3ss 3eb for M hivemind? I'm using 3ss exsang build atm but can do 3ss 3eb
strange python
do u need drone damage?
wide ridge
dont know yet, we're about to prog on it today
strange python
I would stay without EB though
wide ridge
hmm right
how do you do the opener on cleave fights like that?
garrote one twice and once the other, rupture both and go ham on the one you garroted twice?
strange python
I play outlaw on Hive so I don't know. But I would guess u want garrote on both
and then just keep dots on both
wide ridge
oh
lethal bobcat
hows the opener with 3DD TB Subturfuge? or is there somewhere i can find it?
strange python
it is in the ravenholdt guide
lethal bobcat
aight ty
strange python
Garrote
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Rupture
Vendetta
Mutilate
Toxic Blade
Mutilate if less than 4 combo points
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
Vanish when Garrote hits 5.4 seconds or less when talented into subterfuge
@lethal bobcat
lethal bobcat
ty
strange python
the EB one?
lavish brook
yessir
strange python
Most likely yes
lavish brook
Could anything have changed in the past 6 months?
strange python
I wouldn't know
shell owl
Whats the macro to cast stealth if you arent in stealth, but doesnt take you out of stealth if you are stealthed?
wide ridge
/cast !stealth i think
shell owl
thank you
main forge
aww thats a good one to know
shell owl
Nice, I like to have a macro for things like instant cast stealth + sprint, but had to have 2 in case I was already in stealth and didnt want to leave it
wide swallow
@wide ridge use normal prepot, but you can pop empowered proximity when drones are out if it lines up well
strange python
thats some bigbrain shit ive no keybinds for 
shell owl
I use it mostly for my druid. I can instant cast cat, stealth, and dash with one push
wide ridge
@wide swallow ty
wet ruin
in what scenatio is that ever usefull
topaz valley
when raid bot tells me mastery weights 11.56 and haste weights 10.49, does it take count of my expedient which means i should switch one/many sockets to mastery or does haste still beats mastery because i get more than 50 thanks to expedients?
topaz valley
oh didnt know thanks
shy dust
Make sure to set it to replace existing gems. So that it will sim even gems currently socketed.
desert pelican
Statweight still worth to if u has too more thing to choose. Just know which stat probanly should be better for u
knotty grove
do u hold exsa for galecaller's boon or just use exsa on cooldown when running that trinket
desert pelican
Like 40 pieces of gear and no clue which to choose ;D
tropic burrow
how do you sim m+ encounters? what settings do you use?
worthy scarab
Hey guys, you're meant to refresh garotte and rupture to full pandemic duration just before exsanguinate, right? Wowanalyzer is telling me off, and just need to know who's right: https://wowanalyzer.com/report/XnTYLdBm7GR4bA62/22-Heroic+Dark+Inquisitor+Xanesh+-+Kill+(6:23)/Yap/standard
robust lake
From what I've seen, I think you just refresh rupture
arctic walrus
First of all, don’t use wow analyzer because just like in this case, it’s guidelines just don’t understand how the spec is played, it’s not as one dimensional
Also just as a side note I see on xanesh at least your cd usage is really fucked up
worthy scarab
=/
arctic walrus
You always want vanish vendetta blood and exsang to be used together, you seem to only get 2 gcds every subterfuge instead of 3, you use blood and exsang on cd, which is wrong blood goes with the big cds always
worthy scarab
So save blood to line up with vanish/vendetta - but save exsang for when, if not using on cd?
It's 35 sec right? So save the third cast to line up with 2 min cds?
gentle belfry
Where do you generate an opener sequence in a Sim 👃
arctic walrus
You do use exsang on cd, and you save the big cds for exsang to come off cd instead of the other way around
Quick sim then scroll down
worthy scarab
you use blood and exsang on cd, which is wrong
gentle belfry
Ty velll
worthy scarab
Ok well I'm confused lol
arctic walrus
I worded it wrong that’s on me. You are using blood and exsang together which is the wrong part
Keep using exsang, just save blood for vendetta
worthy scarab
Ok, and delay vanish/vendetta/ blood for ~20 sec for 4th cast of exsang?
Gotcha, thanks
serene osprey
haste or crit build for workshop
wheat stag
Hey all, simple quick question for my first post here: I finally got my 2nd carapace dagger last night and I am debating cleansing it and popping an expedient on it. To my knowledge, the corruption effect twisted appendages does not work independently when duel wielded (unlike the effect on the fist weapon) and as such the internal 12 second CD on the effect makes having a duplicate kind of pointless. Is this a correct assumption, or have I missed some key information in my research?