It’s counted as garrote and rupture damage
#assassination
bleak spoke
scarlet sequoia
@hardy wind you just sim yourself, impossible to give an accurate number
hardy wind
ok thank you both for the help
shell owl
Thanks, I used to have one in Uldir, but its been a while
vital haven
oh shit i remember that weakaura
@shell owl https://pastebin.com/RmEK4mdh
i think thats the one
ripe gulch
ugh why does my sim tell me to pre clf
shell owl
ty
bleak spoke
does it just track how much damage the cast did @vital haven
vital haven
from what i remember ye
bleak spoke
pretty cool gonna grb it
warm parcel
Yea it calculates the dmg your bleeds did on that target after you cast exsang
Thats the same old aura from early legion I have
And still works just fine afaik
bleak spoke
would it be possible to make an aura that figures out how much damage your cast of exsang will do
wait no it's not cuz only haste snapshots
not everything else too
nvm
bleak spoke
would be cool to see like how many ticks of garrote/rupture are going to happen ig
even if it's not actually useful info lol
shell owl
Yeah, it doesnt really effect decision making, but its neat info imo
sharp swallow
whats the opener for a double dose build?
bleak spoke
are you playing ma or subt
sharp swallow
Ma
bleak spoke
it's all in the pinned guide anyway
but
you muti rupture muti garrote
if you get 3 cp from muti you garrote if you get 2 cp you muti again
unlikely though
sharp swallow
oh okay ty <3
bleak spoke
@warm parcel have we checked just an agi pot in situations where you can't use focused res
like idk 2t openers might be a bit weirdchamp
but feels unbridled kinda sucks now
crimson palm
agi is dead stat
tropic ocean
hater
ionic vault
Might be a dumb question but why wouldn't you want to pick Hidden Blades over Poison bomb in M+ considering it relies on AoE pulls?
strange python
isn't CT better?
quartz depot
I heard ct exists yes
dull crypt
it's also just one empowered fan of knives
it'll keep resetting each time and you use it more than once per pack =p
ionic vault
makes sense
warm parcel
idno b out agi pot
hardy crypt
is running racing pulse on exsang build worth it?
i know expedient is better but is it viable if i have no expedient yet
fleet whale
it's fine
dire lintel
!wa
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warm parcel
Anything is better than nothing
Dont buy it but not liek you can transform shitty corr into expedient
rancid bobcat
rigid eagle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eUg8PhmDD9rtyVtshQ7Zn3 at 6 exped 3 + 1 exped 2, my 465 gibbering maw finally starts to outsim my 480 slithering loa
main forge
Can that be the image for the channel?
strange python
dont sim light movement
rigid eagle
now idk how i'll get a 480 SS piece
main forge
Gamble
strange python
my maut helm with NP + HoD sims higher than heroic ra den helm
rigid eagle
just this week i gambled for 480 shoulder, i got sanguin monstrosity out of all the possible useful shoulders...
brave escarp
Sims still telling me to put on IS 3 >.<
strange python
IS is simbait
rigid eagle
unless ur a demon hunter...
brave escarp
Yea, only really accurate on things that are completely ST, yea?
strange python
but try to not sim light movement @rigid eagle
rigid eagle
@strange python i feel like there isn't a single patchwerk fight in ny'alotha tho
brave escarp
Maut is pretty close
strange python
do you know how light movement work?
rigid eagle
wait how does it work
strange python
I don't know exactly
so I don't use it
but it with the description it looks like wrathion movement kinda
brave escarp
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tAZuR791694shQohsrmGTZ This look about right? I wasn't able to farm out enough for more Expedient 3s so I'm working with the 2/1s that come up next in the corruption rotation.
main forge
Shad'har and Maut are the closest things to patchwerk.
brave escarp
(Ignore the IS, was just curious)
rigid eagle
maut's dmg reflect phase is actually insane
i can barely maintain dots without oneshotting myself
main forge
Yeah, running IS on that will kill you right quick
rigid eagle
even when ppl bring the orb over perfectly
main forge
I know the hardest part is when the phase starts as healers are still sometimes catching up from last phase
actually thinking about it... maybe I should switch to leeching for that... I haven't struggled in a minute on it, but lighten the load on the healers ay?
strange python
leeching poison is bae on maut
rigid eagle
lol i mean our healers are struggling on hive so maybe that's our problem
rigid eagle
hive is THE nightmare
shitty ass aoe fight with tons of running around
0 good loots
main forge
my group moved over and are doing.... soccer boss instead
rigid eagle
- in the way of raden
main forge
yeah and raden is apparently hard right?
strange python
leeching shouldn't be needed on maut though
rigid eagle
we're locked into mechagon rings
strange python
mecha rings are better
strange python
we get mast vers gloves 8)
main forge
but as a general rule... its not always about us
rigid eagle
LOL mast versa gloves actually sims pretty well for me because i have 0 versa on me
main forge
I want to see the group get gear
rigid eagle
if ur that tight with ur friends
they should help u get together a carry group
and farm the shit out of mechagon
main forge
we do when someone has a key
rigid eagle
no like open a PUG group as 4
main forge
oh yeah, and do a LF mechagon key
rigid eagle
they really are pretty nice
royal lantern
its a set of rings that give the same stats as all other+bonus effects
ofc they are simply better then all other avaible rings
rigid eagle
honestly ilvl doesn't scale secondary stats that much right
so even mythic raid rings get shit on by 460 mechagon rings
strange python
it's like putting sockets on tabard cloak and shirt 8)
main forge
Damn... so I got the 455 behind the back ring, but i got a 455 absorb magic damage for the ring.
rigid eagle
lol i wish undeads could put extra gems into their eye sockets
rigid eagle
yeah +11 workshop is like 20 minutes per run with a group of non retards
strange python
I did 16 and rolled 3 times lol
but my rng is so shit
needed 16 yard runs for behind one
feral flare
Replying to an answer to an earlier question I had about pandemic timers using DeepStrat. So... Garrote doesn't work with pandemic? Only rupture?
strange python
yes
feral flare
I couldve sworn refreshing garrote at 3 seconds extended the next one.
feral flare
Eh... So garrote does benefit from pandemic? Way they made it sound earlier was that it doesn't.
strange python
yes it does
feral flare
Okay. So im not crazy. Ty.
Geez I've been refreshing at 6seconds for rupture and 3 for garrote. Wonder how much that's been hurting me...
strange python
not much
main forge
Just pooling more energy.
main forge
And as long as it isn't an exsanguinated garrote or rupture
btw... IIRC I somehow beat my sim dps on shad'har this week
strange python
was kill time as long as sim timer?
wet ruin
why is that surprising you
main forge
kill time was 30 seconds longer than sim timer
wet ruin
the sim has variation
main forge
and it wasn't far off... within 1k dps
strange python
rng procs?
wet ruin
meaning the number you get it the mean number
main forge
aww yeah
wet ruin
so from 10 000 iterations or however many you ran
main forge
Just ..... its been awhile to get that close to sim dps for me
wet ruin
the sim got really good luck with crits and did 120k
and the next one it didn't get any and did 95k
but on average it did 105k
for example
main forge
oh yeah... if you click the full html report it gives you such variation
Here's a question... how much is the augument rune worth to us? roughly
strange python
I guess u can do stat weight for agi
woeful minnow
you can do a quick sim with it on then with it off
strange python
and do augment x agi
main forge
Thats what I thought...
woeful minnow
just tried it, about 300dps for me
main forge
almost doesn't feel worth it
woeful minnow
eh, 50k is nothing
main adder
When is it best to use CLF for major essence over BLood of the enemy?
woeful minnow
lots of people see clf as simbait/too buggy/too clunky
main adder
yea i tend to stick with Blood
dull crypt
@feral flare sorry for being super late to the convo but maybe people meant that garrote doesn't benefit from DeepStrat because it isn't a finisher move, so the pandemic timer is the same without that talent
Whereas rupture actually does change
strange lichen
so after opener, just keep rupture/garrote..ex on CD, then vanish and start opening again when vanish/personal line up and just repeat?
pseudo hamlet
What's the best corruption for M+? Running with ~5-6 TD right now and it's fine(kinda RNG, but it still does nice amount of damage, like 85-110k DPS overall this week for example, which is totally fine by me). Was just wondering if I could boost it higher with other?
strange python
I think severe/strikethrough are the bis corruptions for m+
atomic willow
what's best the ratio of strikethrough to severe?
rigid eagle
strikethrough in particular is mostly to scale echoing blades right @strange python
should ppl with just SS still take it?
jolly star
it's not like u drop SS for EB for m+
tropic ocean
crit dmg also buffs ur garrote ticks
wide delta
do I use galecaller on CD or line up with exsang?
civic hatch
I thought you line it with vendetty
wide delta
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wide delta
@civic hatch sim tells me to use it on CD
thin stump
You line GBC with Exang and vendetta generally speaking(depends on dif. things) if you can you can delay the inbetwwen exang until the GCB
feral flare
With DeepStrat should I open up with two muts into a 6point rupture
Or dump a 4point with a single mut and unload?
Currently doing Mut>Rup>Mut>Gar>Ven>TB>Van>Go. But it only puts me at 4points with that rupture so i have to refresh it quickly. However two Muts doesnt feel as smooth.
Actually its Mut>Rup>Mut>Gar>Worldvein>Ven>TB>Go.
vast forum
is MA simming better than subterfuge for you?
that seems incredibly unlikely at this point
stray pumice
So I sim myself, and it makes me replace mindflay tentacles and put 2 Infinite stars, is it really better?
strange python
IS is simbait
solar flicker
how much of a simbait is clf because i fucking hate using it
cobalt pelican
if you don't like using it don't us eit
but it's not really simbait at all
i'll probably go through some of my own logs and compare cast counts tonight
distant lava
besterer than me that's for sure
cobalt pelican
for ref single use lust clf is getting 37 st casts, 3 aoe casts, logs from jun18 ```wrathion: 26st/3aoe
maut: 33st/3aoe
skitra: 28st/2aoe
raden: 32st/4aoe
xan: 37st/3aoe
vex: 25st/6aoe(?)
ilg: 24st/3aoe(no lust)
so uhh maybe i'll revise my statement a little but yeah
wet ruin
whats up with that vex though
wet ruin
I asked koji about formless void major like a month ago 😦
cobalt pelican
if it's a lot of work for a minor subset of players i don't blame him for not bothering tbh
wet ruin
yea, I guess
I don't know how it might be implemented if they do that, but he said he can change some stuff to try it out
It was more of a SimC problem rather than an apl probelm
cobalt pelican
yeah formless just
doesn't exist in simc
as a major
i don't think
so any way to add it either requires writing it from the ground up or making some jank ass setup to 'mimic' it
cobalt pelican
some fightlengths it lets you get 1bote1clf instead of 2botes
others it just lets you have formless minor instead of clf minor
keen moss
if my gear 480 azerites give me shrouded suffocation is it worth dropping down to 465 for best traits?
cobalt pelican
oh yeah i forgot actually we didn't lust pull on vex so maybe that explains the super abnormally low count
still seems on avg kinda bad though
what do you mean socies, did you miss a don't somewhere, like 480 don't give you or
wet ruin
normal casts yes, but what about the aoe casts
cobalt pelican
n i'm just stupid, 2targets obv so it's just 3 aoe casts hitting 2 targets
kinda just badly worded
wet ruin
ah
I played guardian on wrathion and xanesh last recrear
it got 35 st and 3 aoe on wrathion
and 36 st and 3 aoe on xanesh
xanesh one was pre-casted, wrathion one was not
wet ruin
that is only the first one, cuz I got 2 casts on those fights
cobalt pelican
there's no consistency to its behaviour really
wet ruin
and they were lusted
I use guardian on those 2 where I can get 2 casts off, but on the other 3 min or less fights I play blood cuz I can do 2 big setups with it
and the apl is just not doing that right now
cobalt pelican
mm
i guess i should just give up on precombat clf altogether
prolly shoulda a couple weeks back
wet ruin
if its bugging then yea
I am just waiting for koji to test timings in the sims
to see if it will be any better
cobalt pelican
i've heard of people saying it does regardless of precombat or not but i don't have access to a lot of no-precombat logs without going through randoms
vital haven
precombat clf aint worht it imo
too risky
it only takes one pull where someon pulls a bit early and you dont get stealth
cobalt pelican
it's actually not happened to me at all
almost all the prepullers in my guild are like
very obvious projectiles i can react to though
vital haven
ya hasnt happened to me but id know id prob quit the ggame if it happened to me once lmao
drifting cloud
look at mr. cyber athlete over there
drifting cloud
I forgot this week I have to save cloak on wrathion to parse
so I just gave up 40s into the fight
wet ruin
why save it, what else are you using cloak on
cobalt pelican
every week
vital haven
should do the speed kill strat on wrathion
drifting cloud
cant believe my 3 worst parses are shadhar maut and wrathion
drifting cloud
the fucking easiest bosses to parse
vital haven
honestly i cant go back to killing wrathion normally after doing speed kill strat once
really good for parsing as well
vital haven
nah we are not
drifting cloud
and a buyer or two in alot of the time
cobalt pelican
looks like muh clf was behaving better on jun11
drifting cloud
so speed strats dont exist
vital haven
we do go for speed kills though which is nice
cobalt pelican
skitra 27/3
maut 34/3
raden 31/3
shad 32/3```still worse than sim on avg but
at least less terrible than thurs just gone
drifting cloud
I also did 5 bosses after wrathion with vop minor because forgot 
vital haven
LOL
vital haven
how did you not notice that
drifting cloud
ok im lying I noticed after 3
cobalt pelican
tbh i just dont even go vop on wrathion cba and think it kinda sux anyways
drifting cloud
then I forgot to swap and carapace died next pull
but yeah doing 120k on raden with vop minor when you dont even use it
feels kinda bad
vital haven
if raden's kill time is like 2:40
what do yuo guys think wait for vanish until the adds spawn or use it immeditaely and get a second vanish guaranteed
drifting cloud
hmm what time does 1st set even spawn
vital haven
its like 30s in right?
cobalt pelican
should be easy enough to figure out right, energy largely isn't a factor so just check if your garrotes tick out on the ads normally
if they do it's 54 seconds of emp garrotes, just doing 2x boss vanishes is 23.4*2
wet ruin
imagine not having the adds BLASTED by warlocks and mages 
warped panther
OK
I ACTUALLY did it bois
I need just a little bit of luck for Workshop haste ring
and farm a ton for expd 2
and I am stacked
drifting cloud
sick dungeon slice sim
warped panther
FUUUUCK
vital haven
ye why is it dslice lol
warped panther
i thought it was fuckijng patchwork
cobalt pelican
if your garrotes on the ads aren't ticking out in full it's prolly safe to say 46.8seconds of emp garrotes with more of them being inside vend > 56sec of empowered garrotes outside
warped panther
KMS
vital haven
and also thanks @cobalt pelican
warped panther
ty for telling mr
drifting cloud
rogues totally sim 120k 
warped panther
cause i am stupud
drifting cloud
who just hit the filter lmao
vital haven
ye we also have 4 mages and 2 locks so i guess the answer is pretty clear
wet ruin
I can't even put them on cuz I am doing red circles around that time
drifting cloud
yeah thats the worse
warped panther
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wWFXCVUSrcm4zkWXs8bMx meh still good enough
chest + dagger from carap will jump to 100k sim and I am good
wet ruin
I am surprised its less than 100k tbf
drifting cloud
its 41 corr
stray pumice
Thats the new Crimson build?
wet ruin
it is 41 yea, but his gear is not that far off
warped panther
yeah basically that's all I can push for now
wet ruin
I guess neck is just too low as well
warped panther
simming now with carapace items
yeah neck is yikers
but I dont play that much :/
drifting cloud
well yeah but 55-59 corr youd get 3k just from that
then rest is mythic gear, sockets
warped panther
yea 3k upgrade from carapace dagger + chest
drifting cloud
then you lose some when you sim with bote 
wet ruin
you could be right yes
cobalt pelican
just farm ap till you die
warped panther
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/daiWn2QkRX62s4Ytf2dbuS final I can push
drifting cloud
also yeah only 90 neck
wet ruin
around 500
stray pumice
Can you tell me you haste % ?
warped panther
no clue, don't have all the exp I need tbh
will farm them next week i guess if I can
vital haven
have to be around 60 if its telling you to go CT
warped panther
it would be even more
currently its 50%
and I have only 2 * exp 3
with 3 * exp 3 its 55%
strange python
essence build for assa 5 mask?
strange python
Purification for major, and what else?
wet ruin
how did you get purification major from that 😄
strange python
. . . .
drifting cloud
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cpw1yoRWioSah4aRjzb2Nw @shrewd night can you make it happen on wednesday?
shrewd night
Make what happen
drifting cloud
fuck hes actually here
shrewd night
Bruh, any reason you are pinging me at 4:20 am
shrewd night
Tell you what
For pinging me at this hour, Ill get a second plume before you get your first
How bout dah
drifting cloud
wet ruin
@strange python why did you ask about essences then 😄
warped panther
so basically i need to farm around 10k echoes :3
till 26.06 🙂
better start then KEKW
'
wet ruin
10k for what?
warped panther
4 * expd 2
wet ruin
its more like 16k
warped panther
that's disregarding the runs
yes but I already have some echoes saved up
10k echoes I need if I don't count my current one + vessel runs
sullen cloak
How important / big of a upgrade are the Mechagon rings (Attack from behind/gain haste) for expedient build?
sick oyster
They are bis by far
sullen cloak
I’m 476 equipped, and I really can’t even seem to get into groups for them it’s annoying.
limber merlin
Needed this on Rogue but received on Druid Sed 😢
sick oyster
@sullen cloak just get some friends and boost keys
limber mango
Why is plume so good compared to other trinkets
Is it specifically for the haste build?
arctic walrus
coral is better if you're running double dose, haste build just lets you get value out of an on use trinket for every setup including opener
jolly star
Needed this on Rogue but received on Druid Sed 😢
@limber merlin
dafuq are u gaming on? windows 98?
grizzled trail
mythic nzoth u run full ST in my opinion.
vast forum
Ye, full st with an emphasis on burst
floral shoal
So I did a quick sim to see on which mainhand I put my next severe3, can anyone explain how there is a 3.5k difference between two 475 daggers which only differ in second stats? What am I missing here:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wn6M7AAs5wrFeFoqF5354m
fathom swift
there isn't, 2nd one is using double quick nav
floral shoal
Yeah thanks, I knew it was something stupid 🙂
deft obsidian
Anyone running high keys (19+) as sin? Curious on corruption setups being used. Dependent entirely on the affix of course
drifting cosmos
Severe strike through
deft obsidian
Is it the same setup as combat essentially?
drifting cosmos
No in raid you stack exp
deft obsidian
Nah for keys mate.
quartz depot
same minus the lashes
drifting cosmos
Maybe in some high Tyr weeks you put exp too
deft obsidian
I’ve got r23 expedient already so looking wheee to spend next
drifting cosmos
Oh combat you mean outlaw I read it wrong
deft obsidian
Yeah I can’t never get onboard with the outlaw buzz
drifting cosmos
Idk I started in Legion, it's always outlaw for me
deft obsidian
Vanilla (I’ve been playing too long) forever combat 😂
drifting cosmos
But yea pretty much the same, except crit mast is good for sin too
Not everyone all stack crit verse
deft obsidian
Yeah I’ve got some solid pieces ready for a outlaw setup. Just need to get another 15k for when vendors are up in like 7-10 days
arctic acorn
Wait so it's really the same gear setup as OL except daggers ?
As in crit vers, stack EB + SS ?
arctic acorn
Noice
tropic ocean
noiceee
dull crypt
Will be progressing vexiona mythic tonight, do you guys suggest picking up a nothing personal for that first minute pre-air phase to do as much damage as possible?
Since we'll be doing a zerg strat
tropic ocean
are you sure u can do zerg-strat when u are still progressing?
dull crypt
We have high dps with a 15 dps setup, just haven't done the fight yet
Only started mythic recently
tropic ocean
well u can sim the duration until he flys up so
and then can see if np is a high dps upgrade for that
but should be yeah
cunning gulch
you guys doing the haste mastery build?
dull crypt
yeah just making sure it's not a dumb idea before looking into it
tropic ocean
if sole intent is managing the push might even go 3 ss 3 np
cunning gulch
lacking, not long been back so missing all of them
strange python
essences do a lot
cunning gulch
should i just grind them out then come back?
strange python
you should get rank 3 essences yes
dull crypt
its probably the best first step to take
strange python
if you link a top gear I can sim for you
and see what u can do to get better dps with your gear
and also see how much of a difference correct rank 3 essence would give
but at your gear level I dont think CT sims higher than posion bomb
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6XuhCBUFNbwYAbS1fjf2Wu with tier 3 essences
@cunning gulch
cunning gulch
@strange python thank you 🙂
twin robin
Guys how much haste u need to make exanguinate build work? like minimal amount
arctic walrus
dont know just sim yourself and have the right azerite pieces
twin robin
ok and in sim is it possible to see my stats after changes?
crimson palm
why'd you want to see your stats after changes
twin robin
couse im curious and dont wanna waste my money on gems enchants, and kinda scared of purification
crimson palm
ok
blissful storm
Hey I have a question about using Vanish with our held vendetta. From what I read we pop vanish and refresh garrotes and after that we vendetta an enemy. My question is are there any other requirements before casting vanish on our second cooldowns? Like pooling energy or popping it only when we have max CP prepared?
crimson palm
and u vendetta before vanish so your first ticks are amped
north marten
hey, i'm still experimenting the exsanguinate build right now, im just confused what to do with vanish when both vendetta and vanish are ready
should i just return onto opener rotation when i use vanish?
quartz depot
get 2-3 cp, vendetta, vanish, garrote, finisher, garrote
night vale
Why do people vendetta before vanish? The sim craft apl uses vendetta after vanish?
north marten
regardless of current bleed duration, i should still reapply all the bleeds for maximized duration on exsanguinate yes?
vast forum
generally yes
north marten
okay, thank you!
tight gate
So the exsang guide says the 4th exsang should line up nicely with 2nd vendetta + vanish but at leat fo me it doesnt. Theres still a good 20 sec on exsang when vanish comes off cooldown. Should i delay vanish+vendetta for the 4th exsang, delay the 3rd or just use exsang on cd?
I use the exact opener from the guide btw
royal lantern
delay vanish vendetta for exsang
north marten
im having that problem right now as well
that makes sense too\
i am really mising out on this build, i tried to use this on vision and it was very very satisfying to see rexxar die under 10 seconds
my jaws dropped
crimson palm
u know that you can open a shad'har log and just look at the cast sequence from some of the rogues right?
night vale
Should be fine, vanish vendetta will be around 2:20ish
You exsang at 5, 50, 1:35, 2:20
Plus, from the above discussion, it’s probably a neglible difference but you probably want to vanish before vendetta. That’s what the simcraft APL does anyway
crimson palm
why'd you want to vanish before vendetta
night vale
So you don’t waste a global on vanish in the vendetta window I guess
strange python
@crimson palm you do vendetta > insta vanish right?
night vale
Is the apl wrong then? I noticed Raz is also using vendetta after vanish
strange python
raz uses before no?
night vale
Odd maybe it’s changed over time
rigid mango
Could just ask him :)
strange python
true that
night vale
Yeah I was just following the apl tbh
tight gate
Well thats what hes written: Garrote > Rupture > Garrote > Condensed Life-Force (if chosen) > Vendetta > Mutilate > Rupture > Exsanguinate > Blood of the Enemy (if chosen) > Mutilate > Mutilate > Envenom
Vanish: First Vanish is used once your initial garrote expires. 2nd Vanish is used as soon as it comes off cooldown with Vendetta.
rigid mango
@scarlet sequoia sir overlord mr raz what do you do!
scarlet sequoia
i cba
rigid mango
Fair enuff good day sire
scarlet sequoia
u too bro
tropic ocean
@crimson palm you dont
when u vendetta after 2nd garrote
u will get full empowered duration into vendetta
tropic ocean
so?
crimson palm
so instead of getting all your ticks empowered you lose some
the duration of emp garrote is lower than ur vendetta duration
scarlet sequoia
@night vale what boss did you take that from
cus i dont think i would ever do that on any boss other than hivemind
night vale
Think from xanesh but could be old, idk, just tried to find any ST log that wasn’t shadhar short
Think that was it
scarlet sequoia
but thats not what you linked in the ss?
nvm u cut it off
was gonna say i would never vanish double garrote like that
crimson palm
gz on joining pieces raz
night vale
Yeah sorry on mobile difficult to navigate logs
scarlet sequoia
ty
mighty elm
runic tinsel
Is it just my azerite and sockets that holding me back now? i feel like my gear is decent but i still cant get close to 100k
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bx3PSxenQ3FiP4n9ncrhMA
deft obsidian
Sockets are like 560 ish dps for me so yeah, sockets, better helm and more expedient
runic tinsel
is it okay to go 59 corruption though? feel like i will die alot, but never really tried it
strange python
and RNG the 475 plumage 8)
deft obsidian
Some day Buck, some day hah
strange python
I rolled it like second week
deft obsidian
I've only had one trinket and it was the spyglass
strange python
in weekly
sturdy mesa
never lucky with 475 plumage
deft obsidian
And absolutely push to 59 @runic tinsel
Only really spicy on like 2 fights and alot of it you can cover
runic tinsel
What two fights are those? 🙂
deft obsidian
Mythic N'zoth the damn thing procs like wildfire at times and Ilgy. I seen to get awful RNG on it
Basically fights with constant ticking damage incoming
And ilgy entirely depends on the strat you're using. If no dispells, running 59 can potentially cause a wipe kekw
runic tinsel
I see, we are progressing Ra-den tonight, it should be fine then?
deft obsidian
Yup yup, slam it 😄
scenic jacinth
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Its very hard to make statements about stat trends in the current patch.
Please use a simulation to generate results for your personal gear situation.
crimson palm
its fine on ilgy it barerly procs since there's no constant dmg
and if a bad overlap happens just call out for external
runic tinsel
yeah, havent gotten to cara yet :/ we only raid once a week so progress is pretty slow
novel drum
bleed build is real fun right up until you go do amathet uldum dailies and every single buried stone guardian event is up
twin robin
xd
fleet anchor
gleaming cosmos
Best way to handle things from beyond as a sin rogue?
dull crypt
blind/cloak
feral flare
What's the best way to go about getting my rotation analysed? Dude who uploads logs in my guild isnt consistent enough. So I'm going to start doing it myself. But do I have to wait for raid night then post the log? Or can I like live log on a training dummy then have that analysed?
dull crypt
both work
its better to save cloak of shadows for last resort since it can also negate other effects
sorry rygul was answering late to feardot
feral flare
Np
strange python
Wait for raid log
shy axle
is it true to do gar-rup-gar-vend- mut and if i do not have 6cp by then use Ct first,then rupture and then exang in the opener?
strange python
yes
shy axle
so i do not "loose" "garrote that would have been exanguinated" that way?
if you know what i mean
strange python
no
manic pebble
is there a way to shadowmeld and then stealth while in combat?
sturdy python
In the world and dungeons yes. Raid combat no
manic pebble
I tried in dungeon while fighting the boss it won't let me go into stealth
sturdy python
Sorry, it may not work on dungeon bosses either.
strange python
I don't think you can in boss encounters
reef herald
Anything that could be improved?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h3ErzsycjMk2XUGWmLXgcf
dense blaze
reef herald
Alright thanks, working on those atm
surreal summit
QUick question guys. During normal dps rotations without cd's etc. Do i just refresh Garrote with 3-8 seconds left or?
and rupture for that matter, or doesnt it matter?
strange python
you refresh garrote when it is below 5.4 sec
rupture below 7.2 I think
what essences do you guys change for blood + vop?
I don't really understand how to sim that
limber lion
Generally don't want to go blood + vop with the exsang build because then vanish doesn't line up. With DD good choices would be blood major + vop/botd/lucid minors
strange python
Just for wrathion, normally I never change from CLF
vast forum
CLF is good on wrathion too 
strange python
maybe no point in changing then
I guess he wants the blood vop for extra vendetta
what essenced do you run now @strange python ?
CLF, Iris, formless void and breath
I just thought about changing to try it
elder kernel
strange python
no need to change tbh, but if u wanna run blood vop I would swap void I think
and exsang 45 second cd so 1 exsang out of vandetta the next one in vandetta
just thought it would go well
tropic ocean
@elder kernel thats decent dude
strange python
Tiny Electromental in a Jar just simmed better than vita haha
tropic ocean
i have nothing more to upgrade besides getting lucky with ring/trinket from weekly and i only sim roughly 5k more than u 😄 and maybe other wrists with better stat than versa
quartz depot
my shitty arms warrior sims more than rogue with 25 corruption less, hard times
elder kernel
@tropic ocean I saw 105/110k patchwerk ;'( .. but i have nothing to put for more corruption !!! Hard to optimiz 2 spec :/ (with 0 echoes at the start ...)
tropic ocean
yea
cant really upgrade more besides, more corruption and ringset 475/475 trinket
or replace wrist/legs with haste/mastery haste/crit ones
but thats minor gains
placid dawn
why do you have strength flask?
elder kernel
so with more corruption ( but for now i can't ) :
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7zLTDRCv6uJnAq6NbH9vDY
your's is nice :p !
strange python
@tropic ocean neck level 😛
tropic ocean
hell no
strange python
and galecaller on some bosses
elder kernel
I would have liked so much to get the chest or one other dagger .. :p ! ( but only 2 kills on him )
elder kernel
no more reclean ahah we try to kill nzob before all the raiders's vacation ^^' ..
tropic ocean
damn
elder kernel
Ahah true but nzob with low dps/brain raider look like a waste
mortal basin
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young vessel
guys assa or outlaw for myth nzoth?
little root
🙂
drifting cloud
north ibex
tall basalt
is crimson tempest viable? i've only seen people run poison bomb but wouldn't CT be good for the mass energy return?
shy dust
tall basalt
does internal bleeding return energy from venomous wounds?
strange python
tall basalt
the pinned guide in #pvp says that it does
ah
ingame it only says garrote and rupture
quasi ledge
Talent IB and it shows it
wide ridge
if i'm using masterful and quick navigation enchantments, does it matter which hand has them?
strange python
No
mellow berry
hey guys, how do I best sim for m+?
bleak dune
475 Galecaller vs 465 Plumage 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔
vast forum
475 galecaller if you can stand in it
quartz depot
if you can stand it*
versed mica
When you use CT in m+, do you use it in ST on bosses too?
waxen nacelle
!weakauras
vestal wren
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void pecan
Infexious
vagrant dirge
do you get more echoes from 5mask vs 0mask?
uneven summit
whats the highest sim we´ve seen
young portal
do you get more echoes from 5mask vs 0mask?
@vagrant dirge no
odd nebula
Struggling keeping my DPS up outside my burst window with the expedient build. Any advice?
distant lava
I mean
you're not supposed too
you don't drop as hard as fire mage does
but you always drop
until you use cds again
south flicker
Hey there, got a question been simming a bit and no real change atm is there like any haste breakpoint where the exsanguinate an ct build pulls ahead ??
void pecan
There is technically, dunno what the number is
just sim until it tells you to switch
Mine was at like 61? %
drifting cloud
theres more factors than just haste, azerite matters
void pecan
Figured that was a gimme, as they said "haste breakpoint"
red bloom
the difference in sims is just because I'm running hc helm for exsang right?
Exsang - https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fGjWpD8iGqU8ku4PEbAwcy
VoP - https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rG3VjM1ghiBMUriuDuHBem
strange python
maut helm with NP + HoD might sim higher than hc ra den helm
drifting cosmos
When you use CT in m+, do you use it in ST on bosses too?
@versed mica
You don't in pure st
strange python
u dont wanna run over 36 corruption @red bloom ?
considering u got an expedient dagger
red bloom
Im only simming<40 atm since we're on n'zoth
late folio
@strange python 
fallow breach
red bloom
ah sweet, odd though since I could have sworn id tried that as well haha thanks though 🙂
dull crypt
pretty nice that exsang over tb means you can target switch better
celest mirage
is "if you damage an enemy while you are behind them" the bis mechagon ring?
drifting cosmos
Yes
gentle belfry
if I wanted a monkey bleed build for visions, should I just copy the M+ spec/geaar?
drifting cosmos
Yea exg + ct is pretty good in vision
But if you geared af doesn't matter what build actually, it will work
orchid yew
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pH5vVknYFRqbS46tTV8VsF
Hello! Any help would be greatly appreciated 🙂 I know I'm missing 2-3 expedient but dunno how to get higher otherwise.. (no cara dagger atm). Thanks!
deft obsidian
Sockets and Expedients for current achievable gear. When you can get mythic vita/azerite/daggers it'll bump signicantly again
feral flare
What a good up to date guide? The one pinned above seems old and doesnt cover corruptions.
harsh sphinx
https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-exsanguinate/ pretty sure it covers corruptions. not sure what one your referring to
steep plover
Do u have to use exsang + ct to make use of the expedient build or is it worth to build haste anyways even if ur gna use them
fathom swift
No expedient is just generally good
void pecan
TB + PB is good with expedient too.
steep plover
Sweet tyy
loud brook
how big of a jump in damage is heroic carapace daggers vs mythic?
wary ice
about 10 ilvls tbh
loud brook
can I? Thought i needed the item first to compare with the other dagger to see the difference
oh shit
nvm
strange python
nah you can just use this to add any item you like and compare setups: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/gear
loud brook
i can see it
red marsh
is spark of inspiration minor good on raden mythic prog?
loud brook
for sure
strange python
dont think ive ever seen anyone use spark
red marsh
I have 2 rogues using it and sim wise it's the 2nd to lowest
strange python
do you mean formless maybe?
red marsh
focused energy
red marsh
oh okay my bad
read the wrong name, would really help if logs also told what the minors major counterpart were
strange python
yea
deft vault
Do you ever delay vendetta/vanish for exsang ?
red marsh
also have a guy using vision major, guessing that it's not that great?
strange python
@red marsh no thats okay but why are they doing orbs
vop major is just very rng and very st focused
red marsh
rl keeps swapping between just rage ot range + some melee
loud brook
vision major is the nothing personal lottery meme build
strange python
i meaaaan if you're asking this stuff here for people in your raid you have far bigger problems than a slightly rng setup of one of them
red marsh
that makes 0 sense lol
plain thistle
@loud brook missing 1 enchant and 1 socket
red marsh
I'm out dpsing him as abigaildawn
loud brook
oh
fathom swift
Running ineffable truth as assa 🤔
strange python
he might just be fucked with azerite
loud brook
that dude is all in on the meme build
strange python
but i yea its weird he goes vop major
red marsh
something I should bring up to the rl?
signal garden
someone mind helping me out? we're having a fun discussion over in skyhold discord and someone is going off on the potential sim dps and scaling of exsanguinate rogue. Does anyone have the highest sims for that build (current or max cloak resistance) around? trying to see if this is just a troll or if this is real
strange python
a man of culture
fathom swift
Even if you run 3x np it's way higher variance and not much better than bote or clf
loud brook
that man is my goddamn hero
fathom swift
Max is about 115-120k, dont have sims on me
fathom swift
Outside of going over like 80+ corruption
strange python
@red marsh talk to the guy himself and maybe send him here
instead of going to the rl
red marsh
fair enough, but in my experience, sending people to class discords changes very little, as they have 0 incentive to listen to me
cobalt pelican
exsanguinate builds top out at like 114-115k or som shit with 97-98 neck rn i think
maybe a lil more with clf
red marsh
is exsanguinate the way to go now?
when I played back in uldir and bod it was poison blade all the way
fathom swift
I was getting 116k at max corruption with my shitty 92 neck so figured it could prob go to 120k
strange python
fathom swift
Wowprog sims 
signal garden
yah, the sims where the people have 4 x IS 3 
loud brook
or rank 12 tendies
signal garden
i just realized lol that this guy isn't even a member of this discord. How I wish I could send him here to learn. 
loud brook
more like a simpdps section
loud brook
cobalt pelican
1000 iteration 7.5min patchwerk
loud brook
jesus
fathom swift
Raider.io has basically the same functionality as wowprog its just easier to use wowprog for recruiting
minor nebula
M+ stats crit>haste>mast?
steep obsidian
you can sim multi target and burst to find out for your gear
minor nebula
but doesnt that sim to raid not m+
steep obsidian
you can sim 5 targets 1 min without lust
or whatever you want
30 secs
etc etc
minor nebula
ok
fringe socket
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mellow berry
good morning guys, what are the best settings to sim for m+?
fringe socket
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=43&v=UNMacbbPy08&feature=emb_title what addon is he using to show his dps?
mellow berry
looks like Details
inland garnet
How well is assa rogue performing in pvp with the haste build compared to other builds?
arctic walrus
You dont play haste, you go full gw
It's no mage/lock but still pretty good #pvp if you want more answers/opinions
inland garnet
Yeah i know that you dont play haste in pvp but in pve on the bleed build i wanted to know how well that build performs in arena compared to the actual pvp build for assa also sorry that i forgot about the pvp tab thank you anyway
digital cosmos
so just got the junkyard ring with the trigger being 3 abilities, not the behind version. is this still a significant upgrade over most rings? i have the workshop one already too. or should i keep grinding junkyard for the behind version
fallow otter
Yes, keep grinding
But the 3 spells isn't junk, it's just worse
And annoying tbh, you find yourself pressing abilities that you usually wouldn't, to proc it
digital cosmos
okay :c significantly worse tho? either way i'm going to keep running for it. wouldnt deadly poison, garrote, rupture activate it?
fallow otter
Deadly poison no
digital cosmos
that does kill it then, well back to jy then i go
hoary moon
does nightelf become a lot stronger than human damage wise with the garrote build?
fallow otter
Attack from behind has virtually no downtime its super good and takes no effort, definitely aim for it and 3 spells might be better than your current rings sim is probs the best plan
balmy condor
@hoary moon It probably does, but remember that shadowmeld gives you SS but not subt, so while technically you get a bonus, it’s not as omegapog as a lot of people tend to think
drifting cosmos
Is that in raid? I thought in m+ you get full stealth
viscid mantle
Does casting Vanish on Mythic Wrathion remove the movement debuff he places on you?
vital haven
yes
viscid mantle
Awesome!
Also, what happens if you Vanish when you fixated by the oozes on Mythic Shadhar? Thinking about taking my rogue for a mythic alt run lol
manic harness
It re-targets, but that's bad because the subsequent raider has less time to react and place
hoary moon
Yeah i race changed and realised that, might just race change back to human, but im considering dwarf
wild yoke
vestal granite
Hey guys. Are there any opinions on how good the Alchemist stone is in Arena? running a gushing/vers mix as assass, also got bike and plumage but 2x on use trinkets feelsweird
as such I m considering if it is worth it replacing one or the other, depending on Matchup
shrewd night
Have you tried the pvp channel?
storm perch
is it ok, that plumage siming way more lower, than gcb? Not that much, it's only 600~ dps difference, but i'm alrdy 75% haste
storm perch
gcb should be used before every exsanguinate?
fathom swift
use on pull before exsang, then after 2nd exsang rupture expires, then with next cds etc.
shrewd night
Optimally every fourth exsang will line up with gcb if you dont delay anything. But timings can be a bitch.
storm perch
thought exsanguinate remembers haste level you got, so gcb should be lined with exs. Or am i wrong?
shrewd night
gcb is 1 minute cd, exsang is 45. Do you want to waste a exsang?
obtuse island
What %haste would you guys recommend before turning the the haste build for raiding?
shrewd night
When it sims better, depends on gear and thus no set haste percentile. You should be aiming for the hastebuild regardless as far as raiding goes.
obtuse island
I’ll start running some sims, if I can get lucky next reset and get the Maut mythic boots that should push me up, currently getting 40% flat, with no buffs, and I need to change ring enchants
My gear was Crit heavy because I was playing M+ mainly with outlaw. I’ve got some good 465 haste pieces.. im just a little against putting corruption on them, waiting for a higher item level 🤦🏼♂️
fair aspen
Sorry if this is the wrong place to post, but do you know of any good WAs for tracking exsanguinated bleeds? The ones I've found either throw LUA errors at me, or dont work when switching targets
shut garnet
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fair aspen
Thanks! I'll take a look at those when I get home.
heavy forum
S
young vessel
is it a good single target build sim?
im doing like 107k dps in 5 mins on dummy but cant use vanish on it tho
idk why this sims so low
young vessel
why tho
tropic ocean
because subterfuge does more dmg
placid dawn
Maybe you are hitting the wrong dummy
tropic ocean
no?
you are more likely just hitting a wrong target ingame
and yeah obv
u do more dmg in fights that are 1-2min
over 5min
subterfuge clf combo already big gain for u
also traits in helm/chest are wrong
tropic ocean
I cant even log in heroic
wdym
@sullen pagoda
idk how often i need to kill shadhar or wrathion until I can get a good log
😢
sullen pagoda
i didnt do hc on my rogue since the postnerf 2 thing
hybrid hinge
bruh mfw i can barely pull 40k in singletarget on my rogue
sullen pagoda
meanwhile my warrior ended like this https://i.imgur.com/ubayKZB.png
sullen pagoda
pussies tanks dont want to bring maut add next to it smh
tropic ocean
when I play on my warr I just pray that ppl die so I get longer execute
or maybe I help with them dying sometimes
hybrid hinge
Massacre is ridiculously big yeah
hybrid hinge
red bloom
I see your shadhar hc log and raise you my drest log...this is usually my coffee break XD https://imgur.com/IzO31UG
hybrid hinge
Test of Might Gathering Storm with Ravager
You might not be crazy after all, maverick
steep plover
Is cara dagger insta cleanse? Or u reckon twisted appendage on the daggers can work for m+?
hybrid hinge
TD TD TD TD TD TD TD TD
sullen pagoda
its insta cleanse if you have the replacement for it
sullen pagoda
TD is not that good for any rogue spec dont use it
hybrid hinge
Oh rly
sullen pagoda
ye
both assa and outlaw play strikethrough / severe m+
TD is decent but its not something you aim for
hybrid hinge
i wouldn't know, my chad arms main ass just presses cleave merektha and bladestorm, and watches TD carry me to an easy 250-300k dps
hybrid hinge
i'm at 60% haste i feel like going over is fkn unnecessary overkill. seeing ppl run about with 80% haste like
hybrid hinge
- I geared for pvp so i missed like 2-3 expedient 3's
so I thought fuck it, might as well make up for the lack of haste with a juicy TD
vast forum
"i press 3 buttons and TD carries me to 250-300k"
have you heard of tripple EB fok spam?
sullen pagoda
if u have any masterful you can use it to fill up the corruption on arms, big mastery destroys in m+
hybrid hinge
naaa fuck that i'm at 200% mastery alrdy
I got 2 different builds, max haste crit and max haste mastery
sullen pagoda
200% is like 500 mastery
xD
trust me try out big mastery + bote major actually big pump
k enough arms talk ehre xd
tropic ocean
the problem with td is on assa that u dont really run high haste in m+ so the proc rate is very unreliable
hybrid hinge
Wanna see some sexy shit before we stop?
tropic ocean
while strikethrough/severe is just constant good dmg output
hybrid hinge
tropic ocean
and for outlaw u are already set by 2x slapper and crit/strike for rest is just straight up higher
tropic ocean
yeah I ddi too
did*
the only dungeons where i personally could compete dps
was ws/kr tho
sullen pagoda
@hybrid hinge ok dude
tropic ocean
for junkyard my keys are not high enough I guess
sullen pagoda
tropic ocean
but I can see it being superior once u reach high enough keystone lvls for junkyard
but in 22 its inferior
from my xp
hybrid hinge
made him extra mad by putting versatile navigation, versa gem and gushing wounds on it, told him it was for pvp
sullen pagoda
i only did a 20 junkyard this week with it but the dungeon was clown mask on so not really great measure
hybrid hinge
tropic ocean
and since the pulls are so small u dont lose much dps from non crit/severe
since u dont play echo anyway
sullen pagoda
i actually did play 2x echoes