13s on the other one
#assassination
distant lava
same thing as psychus man
imagine 2 combusts and 1 vend going into it
how do you even pad on it
distant lava
idk we were asked to play it safe
fleet anchor
I mean Psychus I'm in MG2 and we don't have a Mage down on that one so it's not so bad, but I don't use CDs on Psychus anyway, just save for coming out on boss
vast forum
because if you use CDs on boss, he goes immune 😄
distant lava
and the logs weren't changed back then
I've been using vend on boss for a while now
vast forum
at this point, using CDs on anything other than boss is better 😄
fleet anchor
You can get around the boss going immune
distant lava
but I remember him dying with the 7th tentacle
vast forum
you need to stop dps tho
fleet anchor
You just have to slight delay before the RP
distant lava
then you have the run of the century to your corpse
fleet anchor
We still pushed him sub-20% before going into Mythic phase this week
vast forum
well, what might be slight delay for you is ~15-20 sec for us 😄
distant lava
I guess we have too many padders
fleet anchor
I'm curious to try the P2 kill strat but that probably requires a little more burst than we have available at that timestamp lol
distant lava
fleet anchor
Either way we're basically just getting to the point where we're letting first thoughts make us go insane in P3 and killing before any mechanics so it's way nicer than on prog 😄
distant lava
I mean
fleet anchor
Cutting 2 minutes off the fight is nice
distant lava
if chamber is wiping you
some peeps are HARD trolling
you legit have to click a thing
and that's all
fleet anchor
lol well happens sometimes if people are dumb but mostly just takes time
distant lava
I remember wiping on progress on one of the potential kills
fleet anchor
The P2 kill strat is like sub 9 minutes haha
distant lava
cause a lock put a soulwell
just on a bomb
so nobody could click
people panic screaming "MY CLICK DOESN'T WORK"
fleet anchor
But I think anything now in the 10:30ish range is fine in terms of risk/reward. No P3 mechanics makes it pretty trivial
fleet anchor
Failing the P2 kill strat going insane there is just a hard wipe 10 minutes into the fight
Not sure our DPS is quite comfortable enough to make it reliable lol
Also those timings would basically require Assassination to use Vendetta on Psychus otherwise you won't even get one during the lust/insanity burn timing
fleet anchor
yeah but then you give up Vanish cleave on the THs which is sad!
fleet anchor
Vanish Garrotes are like an extra 1.6m damage or something 😄
I'm not really sure the timings would be great for parsing for Assassination anyway
P3 strat is easier
Either way, anything that skips the clown fiesta that is P3 mechanics is good
I sure do love running around as melee for 60 seconds with virtually no DPS uptime. Good fight design. 🤔
silver musk
poisened knife wdym
distant lava
"oh my paranoia partner doesn't want to go close to boss ? ok I guess 
"
red bloom
Progressing on it now, I never thought I could hate some of my guildies so much
cock
silver musk
tfw priest grips you away from boss and stand still
fleet anchor
I believe the same guy who designed N'zoth did Maiden of Virtue, so he seems to highly value raid hate 🤣
silver musk
feelsbadman
red bloom
I keep getting them jokingly asking why I’m not on my hunter which they know I fucking hate, but they’re not joking RIP MYDUDES
distant lava
mistake number 1
don't mention a good alt
you wanna be safe like me play boomy on the side
no immunity 
tropic ocean
@fleet anchor how much can you tweak apl that my character doesnt get outsimmed heavily by my shitter alt that killed maut
red bloom
@distant lava that should have been the play 😂 😂
fleet anchor
lol
Ausr, I've been subconsciously sandbagging my Hunter alt
By not playing it hardly at all over the last 3 weeks
Then I sim it with Expedient vendor adding 2 Expedient IIIs
And I'm simming at 103k with scuffed Azerite, no Mythic Vita, and 2 sockets
Makes me pretty sad lol
If I actually put any effort into my Hunter I'd be like simming 10k higher than my Expedient 28 Rogue lol
It's messed up
red bloom
My rogue sims much better than my hunter cause I put it in the bin pog
It also could have been me making macros for it just to change the icons to all my sin abilities making my RL feel bad for me
fleet anchor
Like basically if you have the Skitra bow, random 475s you can toss a couple Severes/Expedients on
You will sim 100k+ on a Hunter
😛
But at this point Rogue is mostly a bottom-end outlier of pure DPS specs. Given that Mage/Hunter/Warlock are all really strong right now. Rogue just hasn't gotten much attention in BfA after the first tier. 😦
red bloom
Rogue are still top tier in arena just to throw fuel on the fire of hate rogues get, since arena is a popular way to grind echos, get the the brunt of it from my guild mages and locks for “not being aloud to play cause we’re a shit class” haha
fleet anchor
lol yeah Mages and Warlocks aren't good in arena? 🤣
red bloom
Lol ikr
ocean torrent
can anyone drop me some insight on the "BiS corruption" setup. I have the 7x Exp III and 1x Exp II, but I ran a set of SIMs to confirm 1x Honed Mind III was the best option for corruption as listed on the guide, but SIMs came back as telling me to use a 1x Racing Pulse III but then swapping all my gems from Haste to Mastery.
red bloom
Just a few pve heroes thinking they can mindlessly blast arenas and get mad if I or any other rogue can lock them down and not get hit by fast af chaos bolts
vital haven
racing pulse can be better
fleet anchor
I'm probably gonna ask Paryah to clarify that part of the guide
And mention that Racing Pulse/Honed Mind/Void Ritual are all viable top corruption fillers and just depend on your gear stats
vital haven
hell if you really want to go full ST an infinite stars with expedient is technically the highest dps you can get
fleet anchor
Yeah I mean technically IS is always gonna be highest when it works, and our proc rate can approach DH levels
ocean torrent
yea @vital haven I've seen people run 1x IS III and a bunch of Expedients
fleet anchor
But I don't think anyone really wants to do the RNG thing lol
vital haven
its a set that ill have
fleet anchor
But yes
vital haven
in the future
fleet anchor
I think most people probably will have an IS3 option
Either way
Racing Pulse+Honed Mind+Void Ritual are all potentially good
It 100% depends on your gearing stat itemization
vital haven
ye
ocean torrent
makes sense
vestal wren
i would argue that if dh uses it and the proc rate comes very close to dh that it might become a relevant idea^^
vital haven
for me racing pulse is better
fleet anchor
Well DH also hate using it too
But they don't have much other option
I get to listen to our DHs complain about RNG proc rate every raid 😄
vital haven
man i remember complaining how broken dhs were gonna be at the beginning of this tier
fleet anchor
IS is so much better for them than everything else
vital haven
how wrong was i LUL
fleet anchor
And none of the stat corruptions are very good for them
And GW nerf killed that avenue
Probably a lot of them were going to go full GW
balmy condor
My DH had 23% damage from IS on our shadhar rekill this week
It’s very fun gameplay I hear
vital haven
fleet anchor
Ra-den this week
vital haven
good game
fleet anchor
mellow pier
Dh has furious gaze tho
vestal wren
is pretty sad that dh has no alternative tbh
ocean torrent
3x Furious Gaze is busted
cobalt pelican
being a dh is just suffering at this point
they're actually cornered into that build
fleet anchor
DH is pretty much in a terrible spot with corruption though
vital haven
im pretty sure being a dh in general is not suffering
fleet anchor
They have no better option than IS
balmy condor
I mean, I think having utility but a shit rotation and garbage gearing
Is bad design
mellow pier
Theyre over 300
fleet anchor
For a smaller percentage of time though
fleet anchor
I actually think full Expedient build Rogues probably average more Haste than DHs at this point
ocean torrent
my DH has meh gear and have t5 Exp and hits 200% just using Eye Beam
fleet anchor
They have the same procs but never run Expedient so get less from them
mellow pier
Point is they can afford to run a shitload of IS and have close to same haste as us
With full exp
fleet anchor
Perhaps, but that requires running full IS 😛
The main point is they pretty much have to put all their eggs in the RNG basket, similar to TA Rogues
It just sucks to play
And has zero skill expression
ocean torrent
i miss my tendies
fleet anchor
I mean I think that's just a stereotype
Pretty much all the DHs in my guild have either quit or would quit if we didn't need one in for the raid buff 😛
They were great for prog but post-vendor they just suck
lean marten
DH is a gateway class
mellow pier
Ah
lean marten
imagine justifying not having fun playing a game, for any reason
fleet anchor
Anyway mostly Blizzard screwed them and a bunch of other specs (including Outlaw tbh) with the GW nerf
mellow pier
Imagine only having fun if ur class is brokenly op
fleet anchor
Any spec that didn't gain a lot from Stat%
mellow pier
But wait it still is
fleet anchor
Got screwed by that change pretty badly
mellow pier
Rogues dont scale super well either but we still play them
fleet anchor
Yeah but Assassination actually has Stat% as our BiS
mellow pier
Our top end sim is like a mid tier arms sim lol
fleet anchor
Like consider the fact that before the Corruption vendor
Despite the memes
Sub and Assassination were doing nearly identical damage
On most fights
mellow pier
Tendy dagger tho
fleet anchor
Post-vendor, Assassination is just destroying Sub
mellow pier
It was all rng procs
onyx osprey
3.5k haste unbuffed + vita enough to play the Garrote build?
fleet anchor
GW was going to be Sub's BiS setup and got nerfed
mellow pier
Sim it
fleet anchor
Just like WW/DH/etc.
Most of the low-tier specs got hurt
And the top-end specs didn't lol
mellow pier
WW is in a real bad spot for pve
Like terrible lol
Yeah the gw nerf shoulda just been pvp only
Ita still stacked in arena even after nerf lol
GW would made dh feel a little better I suppose
mellow pier
Arms depends on weird kill times and shit
mellow pier
Yeah u dont have to thibk
cobalt pelican
i'm not unhappy with the state of it
fleet anchor
For reference though. I checked out compared to one of our DHs. Their 71 Corruption IS6 setup vs. me going 71 Corruption with IS3+Expedient.
mellow pier
U can just mongo ur cds tbh lol
regal tartan
Why are so many rogues playing with triple SS now?
fleet anchor
So I don't really think DHs are really in the healthiest place tbh 😦
regal tartan
Is it because of the corruption vendor who has tons of haste?
regal tartan
Yeh forgot the name :D
I tried it too and my damage jump is insane
What's the opener for ss rogues with Strategem and Exsanguinate?
The usual one or garrote garrote rupture ex
plain thistle
regal tartan
Whoops mb, thanks :D
tropic ocean
@fleet anchor with full procs and 7x t3+1x t2 with vita i dont get close to what my dh gets
😦
muted swallow
for the expedent/exsang build whats "high amounts of haste" like % wise lol
regal tartan
What's the point of that one honed mind 3 in the bis corruptions of the ss build
slim pebble
More bleed damage on proc id guess
strange python
because after we have max cloak resist (125 cloak + 10 from essence i believe) 9x exp3 is only 45 corruption
while 7x exp3 + 1x exp2 + 1x honed mind 3 is 55 corruption
Finally ditched my IS3 lol. 41% haste enough for exsang?
urban bough
so i have a problem ^^ since outlaw doesnt makes rly much fun in my opinion i switched from outlaw to assa back and now i need some help from someone who can sim my character cause i rly dont know how to sim it perfectly maybe cause i have less iterations some help would be great 🙂
regal tartan
@strange python alright thanks :)
urban bough
mhm ok i got it with simming properly but with which corruptions do we play the assa rogue especially in m+? same as outlaw? severe and strikethrough?
woeful minnow
yes, and expedient in raids
urban bough
ok thanks 🙂
desert orchid
So how does exsang actually work? It speeds up the dot tick rate, if you reapply during the pandemic period does it refresh at the faster tick rate?
fleet anchor
No
Exsanguinate snapshots the hasted tick rate through the duration of the DoT
If you overwrite it, it removes the benefit
desert orchid
K, so hit it and just refresh right before they drop
wary ice
no
fleet anchor
So you always want to let Exsanguinated dots fall off
desert orchid
So no
fleet anchor
No, you use it immediately after Garrote falls off, the goal is to get Vanish DoTs within Vendetta
wary ice
3rd exsang you can either use on cd or save for vanish vendetta depending on situation
desert orchid
Got it, that's what I thought
desert orchid
And is tb viable if you don't want to miss with that aoe bleed talent?
Err. PB. Not tb. Sorry
strange python
its slightly less dmg
desert orchid
Crimson tempest of whatever it's called
drifting cloud
at high haste ct is like 1k over pb
desert orchid
What haste cap should we go for base?
drifting cloud
- free pad 👌
desert orchid
Or should I say, is there a thing as too much haste?
desert orchid
Think I'm at like 50% base
strange python
Just tried out exsang, this is pretty fun
Getting like 85k+ sustained on dummy, with pretty high burst windows
I dig it
Now off to farm KR for that trink
desert orchid
Which, plumage?
strange python
Yeah
strange python
Idk, guide says it is the recommended trinket
plain moon
So is vigor vs deeper just a matter of how much haste/expidents you are running?
desert orchid
Well, running that hastd one from the raid and Harlan's, can't be too bad off
solid warren
Si basically its
strange python
yeah im just rocking vita and dragonscale
desert orchid
I need to get thd hastd ring in me ha though still
solid warren
Opening garrote , rupture , exsang ans after vanish vendetta right ?
desert orchid
Wish this thing would quit misspelling haste
Isn't it garrote, rupture, garrote, mut to full cp, vendetta, essence/trinket, rupture then exsabg?
Maybe swap essence/trinket and vendetta around
Then when empowered and exsang garrote falls off vanish and reapply thd buffed garrote. That's the just I got, might be wrong though
solid warren
Oh ok ty ! Will try that
tropic ocean
@desert orchid this sounds very wrong brother
garrote, trinket,rupture,garrote vendetta, mut if cp =6 rupture, exsang bote, mut, mut ct
strange python
Is exsang build okay for M+? Not doing super high keys or anything
Or should I just swap to a standard m+ build
lean marten
its a good all-rounder cuz of CT
tropic ocean
wouldnt stack haste tho
strange python
So with CT do I just replace envenom with it?
Or how does that owrk
work*
oh nvm, i just read the description. never used it
So if i'm getting it right, just use CT during opener and refresh whenever it's about to drop?
And env in between
pins
click guide
read
Yeah I did, it doesn't say anything about how to use it. Just the opener.
its very complicated
see you have 6 combo points
so your first ct gotta have 1 cp
then after that 2 cp
and so on
you cycle through it
Yeah this CT rotation makes no sense to me
Losing like 10k dps on it
vast forum
@strange python btw there is such a thing as too much haste, unfortunately
i did a 7exp3 1exp2 1hm3 sim on my gear with galecaller and vita and it wanted a few vers and 1 crit gem 😦
strange python
haste lord
If exsang comes off CD, and I have like.... 22 sec on rupture, should I refresh rupture then exang? Or just hold exsang til rupture refresh is coming up?
vast forum
refresh rupture or plan ahead
strange python
yea it had me gemming weird things lately
So it's better to refresh way ahead than hold exsang CD?
but i wrote he probably wont reach that point from where hes at now
vast forum
i guess galecaller/vita/2xOP combo really overwhelms you with haste 😄
strange python
i think there was a magic number for what duration rupture the apl looks for before using exsang right?
strange python
Yeah I mean the guide says >25 seconds
strange python
But if say you have 23 seconds, do you refresh rupture right then and there and then exsang or just hold exsang
tropic ocean
dont hold exsang
scarlet sequoia
it says exactly how to use CT in the guide? what are u on about
tropic ocean
iirc u will just put max cp rupture over <25 duration one
not 100% sure tho
can probably see from quick sim what apl does
strange python
kk. And it says how to use CT in the opener but that's it, doesn't say about using throughout the fight. idk i never use CT i don't know the intended use
tropic ocean
? u just keep it up
so if you would envenom and ct is in pandemic or not on target u press ct instead
thats all
and
strange python
Okay ez pz, that's all I needed. I kind of figured but juggling three finishers was just throwing me off
tropic ocean
maybe raz should add general rotation into guide as well
so its not in a different place
strange python
can anyone give mes ome advice on my gear, feels like im doig something wrong
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8T9J1Mj9UhygKKYJRyjrda
scarlet sequoia
its okay
jovial haven
I think sim uses it at 4+ cp with 2+ targets, but in ST it’s just another finisher
arctic walrus
also a specific build guide shouldn't really cover how you go about your rotation/priority
wowhead icy veins and rh all have that covered on their own, even with whatever talent you have selected
minor thicket
why do we focused resolve now over unbrideled?
lean marten
it does more dps
solar flicker
civic hatch
Anyone else using galecallers boon over plumage? I’ve got no plumage and a 475 boon but I kinda hate positional trinkets but it sims higher than plumage for exang build
tropic ocean
no
@scarlet sequoia well ravenholdt already has the basic rotation/priority
just in a different place than exsang guide so
might want to add it to there cuz u know new players might think its different
who knows
late vessel
Is assass at all useful for M+?
royal lantern
does more or less the same dmg as outlaw but less utility cus vanish is a dps cd for assa, and utility cd for outlaw+outlaw has gouge wich is huge in m+
feral flare
So ive been practicing with high corruption for the past few days. 160 base. It's.. interesting to say the least. But with the weakaura im finding it manageable. Barely. Ive only tested it so far in heroic NWC. My raid group is 5/12M. We're progressing on Xanesh. Im just curious to know... am I a mad man for running 160cor? Its almost killed me twice I think so far in my shakedown runs. Next week it'll go below 59 so atleast Ill loose the extra effect on a TFB strike. Thoughts?
storm perch
royal lantern
running over 39 during progression is a big nono imo
quartz depot
how the fuck do you even equip 160 corruption
feral flare
Problem is im being smoked on the meters while the rest of the guildies run high cor. Until now I was the running the lowest at 39
160 base. 61 actual.
royal lantern
who the fuck cares about meters
storm perch
I can understand a copy, but what with the eye radius?
royal lantern
like
who
if you die, you do 0 dps
if you keep running around/use cloak sprint too avoid things/eyes you dont have the abilitys for utility moments
cobalt pelican
just.. play better
feral flare
Sure. But if I can avoid the eyes and TFB then... no problem, right?
we just started Xan. Not stuck.
royal lantern
^
we STILL tell people too go under 39 for carapace/nzoth re-clears cus we hate random corruptions wipes
fringe socket
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/whL25vzjmfqU6tavfbfiH4 do i want to be stacking shrouded and using exang?
storm perch
I guess with 160 eye radius will be like whole zanesh's platform
cobalt pelican
he's saying 160 before resist
it's not that insane really
i play '155'
so it's like 61 corruption or whatever
feral flare
Yes 160 base. 61 actual. The eye is roughly the size of Id say Thrall's throne room.
storm perch
Ah well
cobalt pelican
it's certainly playable but i mean idk
feral flare
So those 5masks will be fun 🙂
storm perch
Better to get 59
cobalt pelican
xanesh has 0 relevant dps checks
feral flare
Ive seen the snare. What causes that? I thought that was from being hit by TFB?
cobalt pelican
and you shouldn't be on the bottom of the meter regardless of corruption in a low end guild if you're playing well
feral flare
59 will be next week,
storm perch
The biggest problem on xanesh, if you are football player, copy will be always on you
Cause of the debuff
feral flare
Its not so bad. Just a of the meta classes that can allow for it like DHs...
just a few*
DH's, Warrios, Mages... cant keep up.
feral flare
I wouldnt mind going back below 39. My heart would thank me.
Ill post a log next chance I get at 39 to see if theres things im missing. Gear wise Im missing all the EP trinkets. Gor mantle, CLF rank 3 and those ring pairs. Sims at around 75k. Beyond playing better I just wonder what obtaining all those pieces would do for me.
strange python
linking a sim is better for us to see what your gear looks like
cobalt pelican
75k is pretty low at this point so i'm sure there's quite a bit you're m issing
strange python
and u can go into gear compare to see what they do for you
main forge
Eh despite what I thought. The EP trinkets aren't as good anymore. I think that Raz guide favors other ones now.
rich trellis
is it worth playing assassination in m+ tyrannical weeks or stick with outlaw? any thoughts
feral flare
Im unfortunately away so I cant swap to 39cor. But for what it counts here is the 61cor build. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9xN15HdLgyTQeuLdUZyC5U
main forge
Meh. I feel assassination lacking in M+. Especially since you need SS + EB. So if you have that it might be comparable.
dull crypt
Why bod major o:
feral flare
All of that is what RB is telling me to do. I understand I may have to bench that mentality at some point.
main forge
With chain pulling, it can be difficult to get a restealth too.
dull crypt
If I were you I'd try and get rid of IS and replace it with expedient/mind flay
feral flare
I have tried that. I got burned real hard.
dull crypt
for 61 corruption and the gear you have the sim is pretty low because of your corruptions aswell
main forge
IS is a sim trap.
feral flare
Im sure it is, but even with IS in the sims I feel like it should be more.
dull crypt
It's really unrewarding for rogues aswell
ocean drum
guys.. even though guide says if you got 5 CP after mut you'd use CT before 2nd rupture, meaning you'd use exs at around second 9.. it kinda feels bad to me since you "wasted" that much time on this 3 SS + sub garrote and it feels some less bursty? or is it just me? 😄
main forge
It's fine for shadhar but even my latest log on shadhar. expedient pulled ahead.
rich trellis
fair, i wasn't sure if anyone had some experience with the higher ST damage of assass possibly making some runs easier with tyrannical
feral flare
And I did try an No IS build. It may be a case of just not enough expedient, but the performance was bad to say the least.
dull crypt
rogue can still do good ST with triple SS and a mixture of TTK and NP in m+
for tyrannical
I think you just dont have very much base haste gear
so expedient doesnt really do much for you
actually youve got more haste than i first thought
isnt worldvein a much better major essence for you in that build than bod is?
feral flare
Yeah all my gear has haste on it except my boots.
With 1 ally it is.
334 dps difference with 1 ally last I checked
strange lichen
Is 3 SS pretty much required to play sim? My single target is higher as outlaw but my ilvl is 4 lvls higher with 470 / 465 compared to my 465/460 outlaw weapons
To play sin*
dull crypt
in m+ kinda
sly fern
Good evening everyone.
Can someone explain me, why vita shard sym worse than harlan's dice? Is everyone use vita only because it gives raid buff?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pnAD9vvuwv5iSJbfAx5Pod
dull crypt
vita just gives a huge amount of haste
imagine if youre in a party and 5 people have it
sly fern
I agree. But I thought that vita give more dps than any other trinkets to you personally. Am I wrong?
latent field
That’s not what his sim results say
sly fern
Yea. That's why I asked 🙂
cobalt pelican
for a lot of people (my profile included), vita is better than dice for personal dps before considering the group buff
it seems pretty common that mid geared characters end up using expedient and trying to force the build that's naturally best for better geared characters
and end up stat deficient in other areas
dice probably covers some of that
brave escarp
My sim shows that I should not be using any haste enchants/gems despite expedient stacking. Is that normal?
cobalt pelican
it can happen, it's kinda unlikely though
brave escarp
Interesting.
sly fern
@cobalt pelican thx for answer. It seems that you are right and I need some other stats. Probably better azerith gear
I spec to exsang build just because it started to sims better for me
royal lantern
haste gems only started too pull over crit at like 3x expedient
cobalt pelican
should be fine
royal lantern
for me
brave escarp
I'm at x3 expedient >.<
main forge
I'm happy that I had top dps on shadhar despite missing raid by an hour because I fell asleep. Although I'm scared that in top dps ....
We were missing our best dps. I just got lucky on that end.
honest iris
what crit % do you want to be at?
main forge
110% is what I want to be at.
But in reference to what for real? M+ or raid? And as the usual note we don't have % to hit. We just sim and see what comes out better. Our stat weights are fairly even.
main forge
anyone got a good guide for what to run for 4 and 5 mask runs? I really hate doing visions, they make me tilted at times with adds and the like, and just want a good setup to aim for doing them(essences, guessing azerite for expedient build is fine) or any other tricks y'all do? I only seem to struggle on thrall and the add pull before rexxar.
strange python
you can swap to outlaw to grappling past pack before rexxar
and what problem do u have with thrall?
serene osprey
good spot to cloak of shadows too, rexxar is usually done with orb + gift proc
strange python
Im at the point where I kill him in 8 seconds
so I just cloak the first void quill
on thrall you can sap and blind both adds to make it a lot easier
tacit charm
I can usually be in an orb and kill rexxar
tall basalt
wouldn't anything over 100% be wasted
strange python
I'm pretty sure he was memeing
main forge
Thrall is just me being bad, I think i burn him too fast, and the phases just fly by and I take that easily avoidable stun too much
tall basalt
i see
serene osprey
yea that frontal cone is crazy sanity loss, adds up
main forge
Yeah... I was being a dick. about that crit thing
strange python
get the weakaura for visions too if you're having trouble
tall basalt
gotcha gotcha
i figured either you were trolling or i've spent the last 4 expansions misunderstanding how the crit stat worked LOL
main forge
I just like to see big numbers... you know 9,999 ruptures.
serene osprey
whats real 100% crit anyway? like 102.6?
tall basalt
how much of a difference do you guys think it would make if the energy cost of mutilate and garrote went down by 5?
🤔
serene osprey
a lot of us are basically gcd capped, so not really much atm
main forge
so for visions, essences should be... breath major and minors purification, iris, memory ? or is there a better setup?
ripe gulch
just go m+ build
ripe gulch
blood major, minors breath cnf and u can use purification
i just pull the whole startign area and blood it down
with hidden blades
rancid bobcat
there's not really some magic combination
ease of doing it is definitely more reliant on your overall gear
main forge
yeah, I know, just making sure I am not far off from what i plan on using
digital cosmos
is razor coral still a borderline bis? running dragonscale and vita, but guild wants to run EP for mages to get font, wonder if i should tag along for razor coral
drifting cloud
better than dragonscale
digital cosmos
yea ive been trying to replace dragonscale by grinding for either loaded dice or spyglass. figured coral might be even better
jolly helm
Is there a magic number for the amount of haste I should have for the exsang build to be preferable?
rancid bobcat
do you not have a better on use
dense blaze
Coral is a downgrade across the board for me these days, feels good
drifting cloud
compared to what
dense blaze
Vita and plumage
rancid bobcat
gale or plumage
drifting cloud
my 445 socket coral beats everything except a 475 gcb
dense blaze
You hate to see it
fallen shuttle
Hey guys, I'm trying to build up on the exang build, what's the general consensus on Blightborne vs Heart of Darkness?
drifting cloud
not really I dont mind it
people overexaggerate, coral was fine for a year suddenly everyone think its terrible :d
dense blaze
hod sims better with short fights
digital cosmos
forgot about plumage. god i hate kr
main forge
I love KR.
dense blaze
KR is good
fallen shuttle
that makes sense, thanks
main forge
Its wide open.
Screw WC and that other dungeon that is all cluttered.
TD... If one more tank pulls shit threw walls...
via Twilight dev
vital haven
coral is actually still better for me
but fuck using coral dude
trinket is still top tier
wary ice
The exsang guide mentions the plumage as being BIS; but im simming galecallers higher (which is lower ilvl and missing a socket) do i trust my sim here or is there something im missing?
tribal obsidian
think you literally need best everything for plumage
wary ice
I guess you actualyl dont care, as long as you have everything for the vanish vendetta 2nd pot
might as well get as many cds out as possible
rancid bobcat
the sims dont sync intermediate uses
tribal obsidian
shouldnt it line up anyway because you are saving second vanish for vend
wary ice
so just use stuff on Cds and save for 2ns vanish?
tribal obsidian
i think you use on cd everything except saved second vanish for vend so those two always line up
scarlet sequoia
galecallers is better if you can stand in it for the full duration
serene osprey
does galecallers get you towards the top of the meter at pull like plumage does? that's like 75% of what I care about these days tbh
Gotta look good on the prog wipes
steep plover
If i wont be mythic raiding anytime soon will heroic versions be fine? Or are there better choices at higher ilvls
cobalt pelican
gcb is more dam on the opener than plumage i'm p sure
the inter-vendetta use is so like
low value
so i imagine the majority of the dps gains over plumage are on the vend uses
but you can just sim 40sec or something and get a reasonable result
serene osprey
Nice, have to try that for our no mage, no warlock raden strat
wary ice
im going to stick with plumage cause its easier to use :/
ima smol brain man
500 damage on the sim will get rekt as soon as i get incerated during vend :/
fathom swift
Most important part of gcb is just having the haste when you use exsang tbh
vast forum
ye
vast forum
that's actually pretty interesting
i'm surprised your vita has a mastery gem but
dice outsimming vita?
long portal
Mine does that also when i use GCB
cobalt pelican
do you have vers gems in here
i think i'd always rather gem vers if required and not play conflict minor if possible
cobalt pelican
it might if your sim is unironically thirsting hard enough to want conflict
98 vers is very low
rancid bobcat
well im gonna swap out the belt soon
cobalt pelican
yeah idk stats are wild
like whatever i do dice won't show up for my character in a million years, but i also have way more balanced stats than you (which isn't necessarily a good thing i suppose)
rancid bobcat
i mean with sockets you have 550 stat to dole out to whatever you want
so if the sims wanted vers it could socket it in
cobalt pelican
this doesn't have vers though right, but i guess you've checked before
rancid bobcat
well im rerunning it for the first time in a while
cobalt pelican
i actually have a 475 dice sat in my bags that's been there for like
10 weeks
with 0 reason to use it
strange python
I dont think it simmed void though?
rancid bobcat
stats dont have to be balanced
cobalt pelican
they don't have to be balanced
but usually
if you have 0 of a stat
regardless of how your spec interacts
you want some of that stat
for example there are shadow priests who had to move over to conflict minor or gem interim vers despite 'hating vers'
and dice itself like
isn't a good trinket
it's not bad
but if it's good it's usually because it's giving you something you need
not because it's inherently good
ionic vault
anybody knows why recently I feel like im always out of energy?
cobalt pelican
idk, did you put poisons on your weapons?
strange python
do you run like 5% haste?
ionic vault
11.6 atm
strange python
well then
ionic vault
whats the target?
ionic vault
Like I said I havent changed my gears in over a month but I just noticed recently
strange python
maybe much downtime on bleeds?
rancid bobcat
thats just really low
ionic vault
its not so much on boss fights, more when im doing wq
ionic vault
what do you roll with ?
cobalt pelican
thingken about it maybe it really is worth just relying on dice/hod for off stats
i should prolly check my character with some of my poop pieces replaced
meh
strange python
but during world quests u can just get perma energy resets from rupture @ionic vault
ionic vault
I usually open with garrote and the mut till I can hit a 5cp ruptre but they close to die by then
how is rupture reset energy^
strange python
"If an enemy dies while afflicted by your Rupture, you regain energy based on its remaining duration"
Dont know the exact scaling
ionic vault
where do you read that
strange python
Venomous wounds
ionic vault
cobalt pelican
paying 5 buck to the first person to make gem sims not take 500 years
strange python
It's very fast wdym 8)
pallid notch
Is it worth buying another Expedient III just to hold onto incase i get a better piece of gear to put it on or just save my echoes?
pallid notch
Outlaw gang in M+ so im good with that
strange python
then i would say it's worth to buy one more
there is a guide
you can ask specific questions here though
yes
but yes
with DS u use finishers at 5/6
that is in the guide
I would suggest that you read the guide and then ask questions after 🙂
dull crypt
unless you've already got bis pieces with expedient on its always worth buying in advance
cobalt pelican
nice..
i checked some stuff for my profile and dice is like +91 for clf and +636 for bote so i guess is hould socket it one day
pretty low down my list of give a shits for now i guess
i need to get me one of those 98 necks some day..
halfway to 94 pokkers
coarse carbon
With DS, what break points are we going to want to pandemic non-empowered garrotes and rupture? Are we wanting to also pandemic CT or let it fall off?
cobalt pelican
pandemic is always 30% of duration you're applying
so garrote won't ever change
others depend on the cps you apply
coarse carbon
Gotcha, easy. Thank you 😄
coarse carbon
Fantastic. Thank you for the help!
viral breach
Does anyone have the sims laying around for the Severe / Strikethrough build as well as the Expedient sims ? Can't seem to find them
spark cloud
So guys im currently working on the expedient build, as a casual player its gonna take me a while, but what i would like help with is what should i focus on trying to upgrade first? i dont raid, i do mythic+ and i conquest cap every week
strange python
what will you be using the expedient build for if you dont raid?
spark cloud
honestly ive gotten a taste of it and the amount of haste you have with it is so so satisfying and fun to use
in a fight when i went up to 156% haste it was just unlimited potential and i loved how good it felt
strange python
you could start by farming galecaller's trinket and another one of the mechagon rings (the from behind one)
you should also want blood rank 3 and get breath rank 3 asap
spark cloud
yeah that other mechagon ring ive been trying for but no luck. the galecallers im assuming to replace the spikes trinket?
spark cloud
yup im working on the rank 3 essences as well! they're taking me a while to catch up on
breath rank 3 isnt too far off for me, im almost revered with them. but blood rank 3 i need like 10k more honor haha that one will take a while
strange python
i think you only need revered now to buy rank 3
spark cloud
yeah rank 3 breath is revered, im almost there. stil honnored
scenic shale
i got the mechagon "if you hit 3 different abilities"
is that decent compared to the "if you hit from the back"?
cobalt gyro
theyre both fine
deft vault
If u run CLF major do u just use on cd ? or delay for Vendetta/Vanish?
fathom swift
Depends on fight timings
ebon heath
deft vault
Whatever sims highest
surreal summit
Hmm i don't get this, with the triple SS build we open with Garrote obviously, but i land on 3 combopoints, and the guide says i should use rupture right after. Do we double garrote to land on 6 or?
scenic shale
@surreal summit do you know how pandemic effect works?
surreal summit
Refreshing dots etc right
scenic shale
do you play with exanguinate too?
surreal summit
So by extending garrote with double application at start, i gain the 6cps i need for rupture
yeah
scenic shale
when u get 6 combo point rupture its not the highest duration u can have before exsanguinate
so you do it on 3 combo points
then you can refresh it with pandemic effect
you will have a longer duration
surreal summit
ohhh
surreal summit
Makes sense
Does the pandemic work for Garrote / Rupture only
or is Crimson included in that one?
scenic shale
i dont really run crimson tempest :/ so i couldnt answer that
but i dont think it is part of the opener
pandemic effect should work on any dot
pretty sure it works
you do it when there are 2 seconds left or something
since its already on a low timer just 12 seconds
surreal summit
yeah it's rather annoying that crimson is in the game 😛
simming poisons bomb vs crimson now, hope poison bomb comes out on top
There's a 0,4% dps difference here
One thing i don't get, is why is im so low compared to other classes... but i guess IF and stuff liek that just sims higher
@scenic shale would ya mind taking a look at my sims? gear aswell
scenic shale
im kinda new to this patch i quit after bod started actually 3 weeks ago, still learning more abour corruption, essences and new stuff
but sure ill look at your sims and see if i can help
pm me on private
visual kiln
Im playing master assasin. Question is how do i do the vanish combo with blood? I get full rupture+garrote, vendetta, then toxic blade and vanish? And use mutilate to break vanish and blood after? Or use evenom to break? Also not sure when to press blood
New to assa 
turbid galleon
Check the guide in the pins
visual kiln
Pin says blood into vanish + finisher(evenom) while tb is up with vendetta. When i sim the sim says use tb after vanish in sequence. Any benefit to use tb after vanish? Or can i do it before?
strange python
The assassination essence overview in the pins seems outdated. Or is it still relevant?
feral flare
Really struggling on damage in raids. Ive tried many things but im out of ideas. I cant help, but feel I should be doing more. I like to think im doing my rotation correctly as can be. But beyond that is there anything gear wise that stands out? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/quNhHWNZs1WDv5XnnDsS4h
Also.. is there anything else I can post for troubleshooting?
Besides RB
I sim 4k higher with a t3 infinite star, but im trying to eliminate it.
feral flare
I do have r3 blood, but it sims much worse then Breath. No r3 CLF.
livid hull
Breath is a sim trap most people don’t use it if you look at logs
drifting cloud
breath is not a sim trap
loud light
^
you can at least make an argument that it's hard to use as well as the sim in multitarget, but patchwerk is very straightforward
feral flare
Those logs have 3min kill times. We're at 6min roughly.
feral flare
I like patchwork as a baseline. Ill use Helter Skelter sometimes for more realism. But even that doesnt help me much
84k..wh.. how?
1min?
livid hull
Cause he’s simming 5 mins
loud light
helter skelter is a nonsense sim, btw
vital haven
ye
livid hull
Basically you should just get more haste amps buttttttt a bit late for that now
vital haven
well no this is for raiding
feral flare
I figure the buffs will be there regardless.
vital haven
ah ok
drifting cloud
yeah thats why you sim with them
vital haven
there is nothing that stands out to me with your gear
drifting cloud
I mean everyone else will, how are you going to compare sims
vital haven
maybe put on more corruption pieces 26 is a tad too low
feral flare
26... crap. Thats wrong. Ill have to redo it.
drifting cloud
you just need to farm more echoes
feral flare
Heres my results on the essence sim. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kbHNP1E4zHA8KDtXQ5c8KU Thats without said buffs. So I wonder if thats a factor as to why breath sims better.
vital haven
ye dont sim without buffs unless you wanna sim for like solo content
feral flare
You think thats why Breath is simming better? No buffs?
vital haven
well idk the theorycrafting behind it but ye im going to assume that is the case
feral flare
Makes me wonder how much its been effecting my corruption sims ive been pounding my head over for days.
vital haven
really breath major is fine as you can see from my link
its just rarely used as a major
feral flare
Do you just check "optimal raid buffs" for the sim?
vital haven
ye thats fine
feral flare
I was able to recreate your sim. Ty. Thats.. interesting. The inclusion of deeper strat as well.
strange python
can I handle 5 mask visions with 463 ilvl Assa?
vast forum
yes
strange python
do I need drums?
vast forum
what matters much more than ilvl is cloak lvl and general vision knowledge
drifting cloud
they wont hurt
vast forum
drums are very helpful on rexxar
vast forum
it should be trivial then 
drifting cloud
you can 5mask at 11 cloak onwards with little effort
vast forum
just play it safe
strange python
how many times can I upgrade my cloak via visions?
vast forum
resistance cap is 89 atm
strange python
can I constantly upgrade 3 at a time?
vast forum
but what matters for visions is the sanity loss reduction which is capped at 80%
strange python
5 masking?
drifting cloud
once aweek
vast forum
1 per week from n'zoth normal/hc/mythic
strange python
oh, so can I still spam out all my visions in a day?
vast forum
ye
feral flare
Looks like with "optimal raid buffs" ticked it wants me to use worldvien major.
zero allies
rancid bobcat
depends on the rest of your gear and etc
feral flare
So im just wondering if maybe I should go back to using Infinite Stars given what I have for gear. Heres a sim with no IS. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2Dp4EDsYLnxwhDtzk1yDe and then a top gear sim with it. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/et1DnQQNUjYdrnypnRiY4P About a 4k dps gain. I know IS is a crap shoot, but given the fact that the IS build has be loosing two gushing wounds and a severe1 im wondering if it may be worth it. I keep the rest of the expedient I have.
vital haven
IS is good for ST fights that have a good duration
the longer the better
you also need to be aware that you will need a non IS set as well
urban bough
im thinki9ng about picking ct in m+ instead of poisen bomb? what do you think? is it worth picking it?
teal geyser
usally u always use crimson tempest in dungeon excapt for temple and KR i guess
and if u run the expedient build now u still use it even on single target fights meaning u use CT all the time
feral flare
Hmm. 20k for Gorak Tuls Mantle. I have 13k. Enough for two random rolls... what do you do? 😛
feral flare
So god damn tempting.
strange python
is it worth using blessing of the storm?
maybe in raid as assa for more overall team dps
i am sorry its on german //
patent topaz
the trinket only works for you
feral flare
So after much revision im curious. Assuming im doing my rotation correctly. Does this look about on-par for my gear? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ryUrfFYEeAjx3xXTdnU8qd I feel like theres more I can squeeze out, but im starting to go crosseyed on using raidbots.
patent topaz
wouldnt use worldvein personally
loud brook
clf major bbyyyyy
rancid bobcat
"on-par" sim is a confusing question
it's a simulation
so by definition it will be on par for the gear you feed into it
it's like saying "is 4 on par for the equation 2+2"
civic hatch
CLF for nzoth? or is BOTE better even if it sims less for me
wide swallow
well, is it kaite? i dont know maths
torpid sparrow
u got bote for pull and both first nzoth vulne, once before secret phase and twice after; i used it for my progress
didnt try clf though
worldly fable
What's the interaction between bote and strikethrough?
They don't stack, do they?
cunning geyser
Hey I'd like to know what are my best talents for assa rogue m+, is dungeon slice on raidbot a good tool for it ?
spice surge
worldly fable
dslice is not good for sin, the general consensus is to go 2/2/3/x/(2?)/2/1or3 , stack echoing blades and shroud suffocation azerite traits and use bote major iris/botd/cns-iris
tranquil moat
Anyone able to get this any higher for me?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/74pww7Pw1Gg5FXJXVH4Abd
worldly fable
They do? neat
distant lava
nobody goes 2/2/2 anymore
distant lava
wait I'm dumb
worldly fable
But if he;s asking for starter stuff 99% he wont have expedient
distant lava
I thought you meant azerite
cunning geyser
I see some hidden blades, poison bomb, crimson tempest, how would I know what's best
worldly fable
Hidden blades is kinda poo, PB and CT depending on which dungeon and what affixes
cunning geyser
I'mm full expedient and severe I have both
worldly fable
aha
cunning geyser
I play outlaw m+ so I got severe/strikethrough and assa raid so full expedient
but I want to try assa m+
tranquil moat
Since I don't have expedient, do I go crit or vers?
worldly fable
I think what corruptions and traits you use depend on which dungeon and what affixes
So, if you do small pulls 3x SS+HoD and expedients will be best
Big pulls 3x SS+EB and crit corruptions
Chaos you need trinkets, thats for sure, even a 445 vita would be best than the mechacycle/cannon/mydas
hushed torrent
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5qGbfaweQrWDftuvoUWib1 - anyone any idea why my ST/Sev outlaw build is outsimming appendage? i thought appendage was good?
tranquil moat
@worldly fable Thanks dude, i'll try and spam some freehold and raid then.
I've got some echoes for expedient, should I start rolling some bits?
drifting cosmos
Appendage is not particularly good
Too much rng in practice, in Sims it's not a simbait like stars
feral flare
Just switched to deeper strat and i find im having a hardtime filling out the extra combo point. Should i go for a third mut or should I env at 4cp?
drifting cosmos
Mut
drifting cosmos
Most of the times yes 5+
hushed torrent
@drifting cosmos So the only really way to go atm is expedient build? which is like 7 exp 3?
drifting cosmos
Well I woundnt say the only way but definitely the optimum way
I think after a certain point of haste you just plug in a hone mind
Check Raz s guide
tranquil moat
damn, I changed to a few expedients and I've dropped 8k dps
from a vers setup
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6gQa3VADtqJwz7WTg7V9yW
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/35gMeffHNMRZhUUdVPNRx7
tranquil moat
oh shit
hushed torrent
@drifting cosmos 12k echoes = 2 exp id have to wait forever for it to come back up and be optimal just doesnt seem worth it
worldly fable
Could be higher, just fucked up some purifies
I'm also using your higher ilvl boots
You can buy another pair off the AH
tranquil moat
i'll have a look at your link thanks 🙂
worldly fable
I'm not super into sin, but from what I've seen maximum expedients with exsang will sim the best
But if you want to use the same gear for outlaw you can just use haste+crit gear with severes/strikethroughs and toxic blade
wont be super far behind, and if you're not progressing mythic raiding it wont really matter
dull crypt
Is force multiplier/quick nav viable for exsang or is that a stupid idea
vast forum
Deadly/quick usually best but sim it
worldly fable
quick nav is the standard, the 2nd one is usually deadly nav, but you should sim it either way
ancient cosmos
is shrouded suffocation the best trait ?
dull crypt
Hmm top gear actually says force multiplier/quick nav, also wants me to go clf major formless void minor, never played those before
worldly fable
Bote is generally not the highest siming essence but it is generally accepted as the best because it makes your rotation smoother
since double CPs from mutilate and stuff
botd/clf generally sim the highest in patchwerk sims
dull crypt
just got the rotation and opener down with bote major aswell, so probably not worth learning something new before tomorrow
we're progressing vexiona zerg so just want reliable damage
scarlet sequoia
botd is complete garbage for the ss exsang build
opaque relic
Should I use BotE even tho it sims 2k less than CLF on patchwerk?
worldly fable
essentially it's supposed to be that the raw damage from botd surpasses the multipliers from bote
however botd is generally frowned up
(unless you're almost bis)
dull crypt
CLF feels a lot more comfortable than I thought, I take it you just use it off CD because it never lines up after the initial burst?
worldly fable
I cant answer that
mighty elm
depends on your killtime
if fight is long enough, just line it up with vendetta again
glad horizon
i have no idea what general corruption setup to go for considering it seems to be expedient best for raid and severe for m+?
thick bronze
Hey guys, when is Shrouded Suffo x3 better than double dose/nothing pers?
is there a haste breakpoint?
currently rocking 37% base haste
strange python
sim yourself
ancient cosmos
isnt there a definitive answer on traits ?
strange python
No
ancient cosmos
cause on warcraft logs everyone seems to be running shrouded suffo x3
strange python
they are also all max geared
with most bis
but it will almost certainly be better when u got ra den mythic helm + carapace mythic chest + gorak tul's mantle
ancient cosmos
so until you can get 3x of shrouded, you go for double dose and nothing personal ?
strange python
you go for what sims tell you
ancient cosmos
alright thanks
runic tinsel
its insane how annoying it is to farm the mechagon ring. 17 runs last night and saw it drop twice, once for another rogue and once for a really low geared lock that couldnt trade it..
desert pelican
4x75 from weekly ;D
wooden osprey
@runic tinsel wow you sound like you have my loot luck.. Meaning not very much! 😂
strange python
mechagon rings are bitches to get
I think I ran 16 runs on both dungs
my guildie got both for me though xd
wooden osprey
@strange python hey at least you got em! How much of a difference did they make?
runic tinsel
yeah, i have to rely on pugs to give it to me, since no guildie have a workshop key this week >.<
wooden osprey
What's the min + level mythic you guys run for gear?
strange python
14
runic tinsel
14 still drops 465
wooden osprey
Okay cool, just checking... I've only been back for less than two weeks since taking a break in December.
strange python
I think dps increase when I got the behind dmg one was 4k since it had socket and I could add expedient
wooden osprey
This corruption crap... Haha
strange python
I took a break when I got 3/12
runic tinsel
corruption is fun once you get all the expendients
wooden osprey
I have zero expedients...heck my cloak is only rank 11 and I still have some gear in the 440s
I shouldn't even worry about expedients until I'm fully geared out right? Like 475 or close?
runic tinsel
the only 465 pieces worth using corruption and sockets on are the mechagon rings (backstab and haste)
wooden osprey
460 and 445 daggers 😭 lol
dull crypt
you shouldnt have to really look into it until youre geared enough to progress deep(er) into mythic
strange python
mechagon rings are the only 465 pieces i have 🙂
runic tinsel
i have plumage 465 😦
strange python
I got it 475 before my break
runic tinsel
lucky
strange python
Guess it's coming in handy now 😄
wooden osprey
Geesh man.. You're doing great gear wise. Even on my bonus rolls I get gold.
I always think "this is my day". Haha not yet..
Doing heroic clear tonight, so maybe I'll get something
dull crypt
should consider coining carapace then, since it drops a really nice dagger and a very good chest for the exsang build
other one ra-den
wooden osprey
Thanks.. It will be my first time doing heroic. No rolls left. Guild pulled me into mythic for 3 kills. Used them all.
balmy bridge
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wooden osprey
Hopefully Carapace feels giving!
analog phoenix
when to use crimson tempest in the opener with deeper strat + exsang build?
analog phoenix
awesome, thanks!
last gyro
No worries you are welcome
slim estuary
Is there a way to cheese thing from beyond without cloak?
tribal obsidian
blind
dull crypt
been playing around with target dummy, is the rotation on the second set of big cds like vanish/garrote/rupture/garrote/mutilate/rupture/exsang or should I not go into pandemic rupture that way
west totem
Vanish
strange python
depends on your bleed timers
dull crypt
The way it seems to turn out most of the time is that they're both about to end anyway
but maybe I'm subconsciously making that happen
But if garrote is already on 30+ sec before vanish go for envenom instead I imagine?
Err rupture*
feral flare
Is the pandemic timer for garrote/rupture different with deeper strat? As opposed to 3 and 6 seconds?
sturdy mesa
dull crypt
rupture is 28 seconds on 6 CP so 8.4 seconds pandemic window
uncut tiger
Is the expedient build allways better than IS? simming my character says IS 5 is doing in theory more dps than 7x Exp3 but i hate the rng thingy. What shall i do to get the most out of it?
dull crypt
Infinite stars shouldnt be trusted in sim ever
It's mega skewed
and IS is generally just quite bad for rogues compared to DH/unholy DKs etc
strange python
IS is sim bait
uncut tiger
alright thanks, ill try it
hardy wind
sorry if someone already answered but I couldn't find it in the exsanguinate guide. is there a specific haste % where crimson tempest is better than poison bomb?
shell owl
Does anybody have a WA tracker for Exsanquinate damage?
strange python
@hardy wind no
bleak spoke