went up 2% haste by putting a haste gem in just now
#assassination
dull crypt
strange python
Hi, totally new here and so some of your abbreviations I do not know. What is BL and NP?
strange python
cool ty
verbal sparrow
on that bis corruption guide is honed mind, it's better than others? like you could even go for gushing/striketrough as the last corruption
(The 7x Exp3 1x Exp2)
verbal sparrow
I don't still have the everything yet, I was just wondering why honed mind in situation if you had everything you needed
quasi pewter
because its 35 corruption
and expedient 3 is only 20
35>20
you need it to "fill out" your corruption budget
because you want to play with as close to 59 as possible
verbal sparrow
R1 HM is 15, so Gushing or Striketrough r2
quasi pewter
please read :/
sullen pagoda
you still need to at least activate HoD mate
quasi pewter
you only take honed mind at the last levels of cloak resistance
so in like 2 months
and only r3 of course
simply because "only" full expedient will leave you with like 40 corruption or something
and playing a worse corruption but 15 more of it is better
verbal sparrow
You could run Honed mind under 60 week before cloak would hit a max cap which should be 125 + 10 from essence. So mb then. I thought you would have way too much corruption
quasi pewter
yea the bis corruption in the guide is just for when we have max cloak
so ppl know what to work towards
glacial jasper
Work towards doing something else till shadowlands
quasi pewter
until then its just full expedient
sullen pagoda
had to go recalculate how much corruption we will have, i remember something about under 25 with full expedient but thats warrior
no dual wield corruptions 
quasi pewter
we will have 135 resist i think
glacial jasper
With an essence yea
jolly finch
I haven't played a rogue at the start of an expansion for a long time. Is there a possibility the rotation could feel really slow going into Shadowlands given the level of stat amps we're gonna have come the prepatch? or do they manage to normalise it?
quasi pewter
it will feel slow
most likely
especially assa usually feels bad at the start in my experience
verbal sparrow
did a quicc math and with 7x Exp 3 1x Exp 2 and 1x Honed 3 you would have 190 corruption, and when corr. resistance hits its cap you will end up with just 55 corruption on your ass cheeks so pretty easy
verbal sparrow
yea the numbers are again poppin up high, I'm quite exited about shadowlands that you wont hit for fkin quadrillion with autoattack like you did in legion
sullen pagoda
how big are numbers is really not that big of a deal
sullen pagoda
yeah its only relevant compared to other numbers
distant lava
could be measured in dicks of different size for all I care
mighty elm
distant lava
auto : 8=>
glacial spike : 8=====================>
man now I want an addon that does that
sullen pagoda
waxen socket
O boy
waxen socket
Blind one every 2 min 
thorn crater
though ofc i started replaying 2 months ago and my guild is only 6/12
distant lava
the most common way to deal with it is to take it to the dome
thorn crater
so there is that
sullen pagoda
cuz unless you are pushing like world first keys u probably arent dealing with hard enough content to drop the thing from beyond
waxen socket
Step kidney the fuckers
sullen pagoda
or your guild still does no dispell ilgynoth and insists on under 40 like mine :residentSleeper:
distant lava
I can relate
thorn crater
i mena we are progressing raden
sullen pagoda
we barely even go to ilgy anymore so its w.e
shrewd night
Yall have it easy
sullen pagoda
its like did we not put on the 
mask and clear is going fast? ok we go ilgy too
shrewd night
We wiped 2,5h on xanesh the other day
distant lava
I think someone wanted shadhar yday so we just cleared the full pit
got wrists from shadhar tho so I won't complain 
sullen pagoda
is wclogs down
sullen pagoda
probably doing more calculations on what to remove from fights
waxen socket
They are messing around a lot with the all star stuff
Maybe that fucks over the server
patent topaz
we had more xanesh wipes than nzoth this reclear 
thorn crater
is xanesh hard no mythic? we havent been yet
sour wraith
Mechanically it's very simple, executionally it's somewhat challenging - moreso than, say, Shadhar or Hivemind
marble hemlock
its literally just
people needing to stand in a certain position and facing in a certain direction
if they do that, you kill the boss after 5pulls
if they dont, you wipe 50times
cause if one of them fails, its instant wipe
shrewd night
@distant lava Id show you, but logs are down 
distant lava
@marble hemlock kicks too
shrewd night
Nah, you can survive someone missing an interrupt. But if one of those nine fuck up 
twin bay
just stack shamans ^^
twin bay
yep
quasi pewter
anyone else hope warcraftlogs stays down forever and we get a new site
marble hemlock
twin bay
?
shrewd night
In my wettest of dreams there are shamans using all of their utility 
twin bay
whats the problem with warcraftlogs?
shrewd night
They try to reinvent the wheel every couple of months to give us more 'accurate' logs, and govern 'how people should play to get a good parse'.
novel drum
why isnt there just a way to report a log for unethical parsing 🤔
twin bay
ah the allstar point thingy...yeah i completly ignored that for 8.3 with all the procc corruption etc. i use the site to look for cd timings on progress
wet ruin
@novel drum is not the unethical parsing they are trying to remove
novel drum
theyre trying to make all logs equal by taking the cheesing out of it, no?
novel drum
wrong word for it sure
wet ruin
you can report logs for such things
twin bay
xD
wet ruin
but 'padding on the adds' is not a such thing
novel drum
i understand where theyre coming from, i dont agree with it though
wet ruin
no I don't agree also
novel drum
i feel if they made these changes a few weeks in, i would honestly almost agree with it
wet ruin
it sucks that you can't pad, but removing the damage from it just paints a completely different picture than reality
novel drum
but at this point fuck it
twin bay
in my raid u dont even need to think about padding...8382920 firemages or wl melting every little extra dps away 😄
wet ruin
some people use logs to see how they can improve with thing, and while 5 months into the patch is not really doing much in terms of those aspects its still a different fight
twin bay
adding a firstkill tab could be interesting
low girder
I mean, if you're looking at a log for hivemind for that and seeing people run EB, you know what's happening. Or you should. I don't get the point, tbh
novel drum
for hivemind, people werent JUST running EB though, they were keeping those adds up for as long as possible keeping them floating at 20% letting them heal
thorn crater
EB?
twin bay
echoing blades
thorn crater
oh right
wet ruin
not specifically talking about hivemind or rogues
its carapace and n'zoth that take the hit imo
low girder
That's still pretty easily recognizable in a log though. Most of it is. I dunno. Seems pointless.
novel drum
nonono
only the adds that are under the steroid i thought
i dont really understand the psychus normalization
or at least idk how people were cheesing it
wet ruin
they are not
novel drum
and what was the carapace removal? the things on the wall or the floor?
quasi pewter
psychus bonus damage not counting is the only good change
sour wraith
I believe they removed antigen damage on carapace
novel drum
to make it more balance for the shadow priests that are staying out?
low girder
The fury dmg in p2 carapace is fine
wet ruin
going down is still better than not going down
novel drum
yeah
low girder
The rest on that fight is not, but that one was
crimson palm
hope they remove vexi adds now xD
novel drum
i really just have to hope that corruption is the main cause to this tiers logging being god awful
and that next tier i can really tryhard for parses
wintry terrace
hey what should i aim for. full exp or full severe for a balance between raid and m+?
twin bay
i mean u could now with the haste/exang build and just ignore logs with TA
novel drum
nah i got drained trying to parse pre nerf, post nerf, post nerf 2: electric boogaloo, and post nerf: straight to DVD
ebon karma
whats the best fight style for nzoth mythic on raidbot?
twin bay
uhm none imo. u would need to run an advanced sim with the timings etc etc
distant lava
bro you think expedient build is not rng
the difference between proccing vita / OP before exsang
and then proccing bbi and cloak is so huge
orchid solstice
thats arguing that the game isnt rng
which is just dumb, obviusly its all rng but compared to tentcles
twin bay
i can pull 120k on maut every single pull regardless of proccs with exsang (if i play correct ofc)...last id i still had the TA dagger and they did barely 600k dmg...while our other rogue with the same dagger had 5mil TA dmg
orchid solstice
I ran rank 8 TA once for some fun before the vendor, and it didnt proc once on a 3 minute fight
other similar fight lengths it had procced 10+ times
twin bay
had that happen the week before..70 corruption for nothing
orchid solstice
dont remember the number difference but it was... big
verbal sparrow
but it's actually true lmao
unborn helm
Nah, just my sims, like “ehy go full mast” i go full mast then i sim again “bro lmao go full crit dumbass” and so on
novel drum
yeah every sim i did this tier during poison build has been crit>mastery=haste
verbal sparrow
i remember when I was simming crit even with 3x ss sub etc... I don't miss those times
loud brook
I just trust the pins, they are my gods and they tell me to go zoom zoom corruption
thorn crater
@unborn helm pretty accurate Xd
twin bay
the number is bigger
manic pebble
@twin bay any addons that let me customize the damage number color specifically for that crit?
twin bay
im sure there is but i dont display dmg numbers tbh
manic pebble
Guess I’ll look it up on curseforge then, thanks anyway!
twin bay
yeah but do you realy want an addon that displays something that is out of your controll anyway?^^
manic pebble
I just want to know how often do my bleeds crit
once I’m satisfied, I might disable them lol
twin bay
use details 😛
manic pebble
😮
twin bay
or other dmg meters
novel drum
i mean itll crit according to your crit chance normally
twin bay
thats details...there u can check every dot..the critrate, uptime etc
shell ivy
I’ve been checking through guides and I still dunno which stats I should look for as assa
I’m outlaw but looking to change spec soon so I wanna save some gear
Not sure if crit haste is good
novel drum
have you simmed yourself?
sand whale
Note: As with everything else; to find out what is the best corruption setup with your exact gear, make sure you sim yourself. Simming yourself will ALWAYS result in more precise results, as not everyone will have the same gear. - this line is within the guide on the latest pin
twin bay
at the beginning its not worth to think too much about the stats...for assa every stat does something good
novel drum
except vers
shut garnet
that's very dependent on content
novel drum
disgusting
shut garnet
cuz assa's best raid stat sucks massive dick in m+
twin bay
when u have the right azerite/essences etc then u should start simming urself
shell ivy
Ya I’m full geared crit vers since its main stat for outlaw
But I saved a few crit haste pieces
Also gonna buy like 2 expedient 3 so I don’t have to wait next month I guess
twin bay
its a good trait..but since i dont use it thats all i can say about it
runic tinsel
I see, ty
twin bay
on 3min it sims 600 dps higher then bbi for me 
runic tinsel
perfect for Ra-den!
strange python
actually +780 dps in 3min sim for me 
twin bay
pog
minor thicket
is it unusal that the SIM wants me to have all my gem slots as crit instead of haste?
high siren
@twin bay where does your nick come from? 🤔
strange python
@minor thicket that's not unusual depending on your gear level
there's like stages of simfuckery
strange python
seems reasonable with all the haste you get from 2x rp + gcb
minor thicket
yea i have 2 rank 3 expedient in my bag and sim still wants the RP equipped
shrewd night
whats the ppm of rp?
eager mountain
whats rp?
minor thicket
racing pulse
eager mountain
ahh
crimson palm
its like 30% uptime
shrewd night
Surprises me how sims want the haste burst instead of perma value ig
cobalt pelican
5
minor thicket
ive never played with CT
shrewd night
Like, internally screaming every time I miss vita proc on exsang by half a second
Imagine if that was RP
shrewd night
errant delta
at what point do you go CT
crimson palm
^^
minor thicket
@minor thicket https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gatRavJikqTNBsd9CmhQqd
@strange python how does CT work ive never used it before
crimson palm
there're probably 10+ resets till prepatch
enough time to get decent rng on most bosses
twin bay
you keep it up like the other bleeds
strange python
it's wrong but just do your normal exsang opener and replace the first envenom with ct
sullen pagoda
I mean our rng is pretty fine ngl
strange python
then just keep the dot up
strange python
otherwise you gotta do bigbrainsplitsecond decisions
crimson palm
well getting procs or not in lust opener is a 100k diff atm
shrewd night
my feel everytime shitters still kill themselves on maut 
errant delta
but like whats the point where you stop using PB and start CT
minor thicket
so at what point do you switch from Poison bomb to ct?
shrewd night
When your sims tell you to.
strange python
when it sims better
sullen pagoda
@errant delta when it starts simming more
crimson palm
at 34% crit
shrewd night
Yo
strange python
sullen pagoda
shrewd night
Dont start that shit
crimson palm
shrewd night
errant delta
hmm but whats gunna make it . . . like more haste more harts
crimson palm
i dont have a rank 5 maut log but im top30 on all stars my opinion must be valid
right ???
strange python
more haste yes
fathom swift
How does clockwork heart actually work
crimson palm
it just procs every min
strange python
procs on pull and every 60sec after
shrewd night
Every minute, it procs
crimson palm
at fixed intervals
fathom swift
Exactly on pull?
tropic ocean
@sullen pagoda not sure u can kill it wit rogue
distant lava
is it a minute after the start of the proc
fathom swift
Ok cool
strange python
yea its weird like that
distant lava
or a minute after the end
fathom swift
Doesnt line up for 2nd cds tho that kinda sucks
strange python
oof idk
crimson palm
and keep in mind anything can trigger it
so dont use it on fights where you lose uptime on stuff
crimson palm
i.e. wrath/vexi/carapace
minor thicket
so essential i should switch to CT due to my haste now?
fathom swift
I'll use it on whatever I want to tyvm
sullen pagoda
for me its like 1300 dps with 80% haste
minor thicket
it was 92k sim to 97k no?
minor thicket
ah
strange python
you can just click on things and it takes it as start
minor thicket
i didnt think harlans dice would outsim 475 plummage
twin bay
u had 2 onuse trinkets
crimson palm
u cant have 2 onuse
strange python
i think it might not if you had a nice vita
shrewd night
Just thinking about playing with gcb gives me the heebies man
strange python
yea they make a tiny field you gotta stand in and give you speed for it so you can yeet out of it easier
bigbrainblizz
twin bay
still praying for 475 KR trinket
shrewd night
Like, whats the value. Delaying it for exsang or popping it on cd?
crimson palm
got it this week
crimson palm
popping it on cd, there was a discussion on #tc-research
crimson palm
dunno but its aids
shrewd night
Yeah nah, Ill keep doing my plume dawg
abstract chasm
plain thistle
echoing blades, azerite trait
strange python
we can
minor thicket
it wont let me do the pants
on my sim - aat 96,889
trying that setup
but wont let me put expedient on the pans
thorn crater
question. out of the 4 suggested azerite builds raz suggests is there one that outperforms the others or is it gear dependent?
strange python
it is gear dependent it looks like to be ss/exsang build at end game
runic tinsel
Is there a fight where galecallers is usable? i have one at 465 and it sims really nice
strange python
clf will probably sim higher but many people use blood for convenience
sullen pagoda
its usable on every fight
strange python
you can see here what people run: https://nyalotha.subcreation.net/assassination-rogue.html
just click on a boss
it takes data from warcraftlogs
fathom swift
Every fourth lined up?
@shrewd night its not that bad, you use it close to on cd
But plumage def easier to run
fathom swift
Its not like nothing happening its still large haste buff on 1 min cd
tacit charm
If I have the traits nothing personal and I use vendetta in stealth does that buff the damage?
shrewd night
Ye, imagine on nzoth though. Clearing cysts before drag. OH WELL BETTER POP GCB LMAO.
fathom swift
P1 timing nzoth is kinda awkward yeah but p2 onwards its actually great
Mostly just awkward cause if you cd psychus 1 you have to hold for like 1 min
shrewd night
I couldnt even justify using a sins cooldown on psychus over boss this late into prog tbh
crimson palm
well if you wanna pad it gives you 1 extra vendetta at 4 mins
fathom swift
On prog i have no idea but we just only send down 3 or 4 dps anymore
mellow pier
Its better to use on boss
fathom swift
Ya if you vop minor its nicer timing
mellow pier
U dont lose any cds really since u should be holding up top for p2
lone junco
@shrewd night Devs: let's make a boss where the damage windows are so skewed that people will burn their CDs all over the place in reduced damage mobs.
crimson palm
6:00 cloak anguish and blast
mellow pier
That basher dies so fast
crimson palm
8 is the secret phase
fathom swift
Oh sure I just like having cds at 5.30 for p2
mellow pier
Its almost not worth it lol
crimson palm
aye that's the normal
fathom swift
Cause my cloak is 1st immune soak
crimson palm
but for padding purposes these timings are also ok
shrewd night
Also devs: Lets watch the social drama of raiders arguing for who gets to spend cds on psychus
mellow pier
Also devs: lets remove master loot to stop loot drama
fathom swift
Thank god it doesnt like solely determine parses anymore
shrewd night
I hold vendetta for each boss window after opener, I feel bad even pressing exsang on tendies because they die so fast
shrewd night
crimson palm
and just let it bleed out lmao
deft obsidian
@shrewd night ain't that the truth 😛
shrewd night
I dont even dps neurons 
Kidney one, blind the other. Then I can just afk for twenty seconds
mellow pier
Kidney one blind other and ct psychos lol
shrewd night
I could pad, but do I risk dpsing when everyone is running like headless chickens to their paranoia partner?
deft obsidian
My sole focus is bashers and boss damage, I don't go down
shrewd night
I do, but that wont stop people from running on me lmao
deft obsidian
One I top both, i'm happy kekw
crimson palm
that sounds like a you problem
shrewd night
Imagine not going down, the dream scenario
fathom swift
Has anyone else ever accidently shadowstepped boss on last paranoia 🙂
shrewd night
ANY SECOND GATERS IN CHAT 
plain thistle
crimson palm
i've accidently used vendetta on harvester and kept dpsing boss
dunno which is worse
fathom swift
I think I did that once too
crimson palm
i swear tab targeting is fucked up there
fathom swift
Just targeting nzoth generally is v awkward
crimson palm
what vendetta macro
shrewd night
Vendetta + plume lmao
shrewd night
frail folio
Okay so need advice. Trying to get a good all round build. I have R3 TD and IS (on separate belts).
Do I buy a load of expedients or wait for Sever and Strikethrough?
crimson palm
gotta empower the first 3 ticks
shrewd night
lean marten
fathom swift
I still have plumage macrod to vendetta despite never using plumage anymore
shrewd night
Just dont press it outside of combat, ez
lean marten
my vend macro is like 4 trinkets and sometimes i don't have any equipped
twin bay
Had it in there sknce uldir lmao
lean marten
if ur in combat doesn't matter :^)
fathom swift
Too much effort to swap macro when i swap trinkets
strange python
just put /use 13 in it
shrewd night
Herecy
strange python
efficiency
lean marten
i type "/use" then shift click the item
mellow pier
But what if u wanna trinket early like pull on nzoth
lean marten
into the macro
fathom swift
Was gonna say doesnt work with gcb but it prob would anyway
mellow pier
I trinket prepull on nzoth
strange python
if you're smort enuff you can even trinket mid gcd so it doesnt trigger vend
mellow pier
Get used to having seperate binds
crimson palm
think it's better to use trinket at 0:30 with the first vanish
mellow pier
Dont be lazy
crimson palm
at least on nzoth
mellow pier
Nah i was 1st psychus
lean marten
i use foot pedal to mutilate gets my steps in
mellow pier
Did 90% of prog having to use cds downstairs
I didnt even vanish on the opener wasnt worth
warm parcel
Foot pedal as push to talk is real 
shrewd night
All I know is that I can probably solo the two first bashers, but all the other deeps decide they want to 'help'
crimson palm
well we are lusting at 00
i dont think that basher survives 4 garrote ticks
its fkin monkaS
twin bay
After second psychus yep
mellow pier
We lusted p2 not psychus phase
shrewd night
We lust in first boss window, I dont know I understand why, but 
mellow pier
Nzoth sub 25% before secret with lust p2
shrewd night
It be what it be
twin bay
We did that on prog too
mellow pier
U must have a firemage trying to parse
crimson palm
it used to be like 2:10 lust early prog
mellow pier
Lol
shrewd night
Like, I dont think we have enough mages to efficiently make use of a p2 lust, so I guess there is that
mellow pier
Firemage is just there to kill thots
Hunter does most ur boss dmg
And rogues are actually good at it too
shrewd night
We have 1 (occasionally zero) mage.
crimson palm
id pay to have 0 mages
fathom swift
To be fair tank dps atm isnt bad
harsh sphinx
0 mages 
fathom swift
Our blood dk sometimes tops psychus damage
twin bay
Im dont use cds in psy1 anymore cause no one gives a fk what cds are called for for psychus anyway
deft obsidian
Being topside means we have cd's for every burst window, yet to be beaten on boss damage kekw
distant lava
@crimson palm tfw a talent that gives us the ability to pad is also an ST increase
checkmate raidleader 
crimson palm
the dream
crimson palm
i think i tilted my raid the first time i used it
shrewd night
No, but like.. Its warlocks and then me on boss damage being overloards
strange python
rogue rn is so nice please sl dont disappoint 
crimson palm
its perfect atm
twin bay
Oo
tropic ocean
yy
mellow pier
Ehhhh
tropic ocean
rogue so bad
shrewd night
Aight, Ima spare you the view of my logs lmao
mellow pier
Its not very good
fathom swift
Cant wait to play slice n dice 😴
crimson palm
its gonna be the same as CT so w/e
fathom swift
Ya ill pass
lean marten
spinning 15s CTs is worse
crimson palm
gonna replace the bind
deft obsidian
I mean I just wish we had the ability to cleave with ease like other classes, so much to ask for?
fathom swift
I played inq on ret enough its the same thing
distant lava
@shrewd night now you on sin is something I want to see
mellow pier
I remembe when ct was useless
shrewd night
wdym
strange python
why is wcl down again
mellow pier
Hello wod
shrewd night
are u booli??
strange python
its like every other day now
lean marten
what if we spin CT, Rup, Gar, and SnD 
sullen pagoda
probably too much trafic from all that friday raiding
mellow pier
Lul
strange python
everyone trying to look up swolenar
shrewd night
@distant lava explain urself
sullen pagoda
ok xang stop giving them ideas
mellow pier
Prob too much traffic from recrawls telling pple how to play the game
fathom swift
Get ready for partition 3
slim estuary
Do you have to use masks to get echos from visions? does it scale with masks used
mellow pier
No
mellow pier
No it doesnt
tropic ocean
mementos that is
deft obsidian
Nope it doesn't
tropic ocean
fingers r faster than brain
deft obsidian
Banged out 12x on my alt the other for the echo grind, kekw 😦
crimson palm
i played 30ish these past few days
mellow pier
I still gotta bang out 5k more on warrior to get full exp
crimson palm
gotta get my alts up to date
mellow pier
And do more dmg than my rogue with 10 less buttons
tropic ocean
hope u can raid then
deft obsidian
I've got like 15 to do on main and too many on alts, i'm being lazy
Its just for my M+ setup so meh
fathom swift
Cba playing more than 2 chars
sullen pagoda
i was thinking of getting 1 more exp on my rogue for perfect corruption next week
but
cba
would rather just play warzone kekw
mellow pier
I got my last 1 banked
deft obsidian
Snap @sullen pagoda
mellow pier
Thank u arena
deft obsidian
I've 4 stashed also, for what reason...who knows
shrewd night
No I dont 
sullen pagoda
why gw
deft obsidian
Severe now, but I can already afford 4 when up
sullen pagoda
are u going ham at arenas or
sullen pagoda
ye gw can do that one
mellow pier
Tendy boy too rng
sullen pagoda
or even better reroll to DH with gws
mellow pier
Manaburn dh is the most troll thing in this game
sullen pagoda
o ye ive seen a clip
mellow pier
Played a team last night with guardian and manaburn dh
sullen pagoda
dh 200k annihilate
mellow pier
Guardian was top dmg in arena with gw
50% damp game
But ill try pushing last 200 rating with full gw
shrewd night
@distant lava big angey
mellow pier
Imagine having post nerf 2 logs
shrewd night
Imagine having a 98 on hivemind one day, and the next day they are 69
mellow pier
They reverted
sullen pagoda
imagine being able to open warcraftlogs
mellow pier
Tbf u prob do more dmg ignoring drones anyways
shrewd night
baddies dont get access to the site
mellow pier
And killing boss faster
distant lava
shrewd night
brb gon get good memories of antorus logs 
harsh sphinx
only post nerf 1 will show in later expansions you'll have to dig to see post nerf 2
tropic ocean
@sullen pagoda u can open it again after new poll is up
sullen pagoda
which one will it be
shrewd night
distant lava
the only time I won at something
sullen pagoda
"remove raden from all stars or dmg on adds" and same thing for maut
distant lava
although getting rank 1 into rank 3 was pretty great, ngl
sullen pagoda
o ye pillar wrathion
shrewd night
The only really good logs I have is hazabel and blood blob in uldir
sullen pagoda
just proc more or
distant lava
just 5 buff 
shrewd night
Ye, fivebuff as the blob came back up from the floor, and hazabel is just raw poison bomb damage 
mellow pier
Yo what happened to just letting parses be gamed
It was always like that for years lol
sullen pagoda
nah fam
now all that matters is your ST
aoe doesnt exist in the game if we pretend long enough
orchid elk
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fallen sandal
hello
at what point do ss build become better than dd ?
i have 47.76 haste unbuff, and can have 2ss but it still sims lower than my current build 3x dd
quiet finch
i think its as soon as u can get the 7 exp 3, honed mind 3, exp 2?
fallen sandal
almost all rogues in logs that are top 100 play ss build
tropic ocean
yeah because almost all of them have the appropriate gear for it
fallen sandal
that's what i'm asking
shy heron
well for starters you'd need three ss for it to be worth it
tropic ocean
only raidbots will be able to tell u that breakpint
breakpoint*
because it varies from character to character
quiet finch
dumb question
unborn otter
quiet finch
yep lol
tropic ocean
if I switch to dd build atm its 2,7k dps loss for me on st
but might be able to improve gear for dd more not sure if full xp stack is the best
quiet finch
for sim, should i do base gear sim w/o corruptions to find the best base gear? will it scale with corruptions
tropic ocean
no point to sim without corruptions
quiet finch
im just trying to find the bis gear to put my exp 3s on
tropic ocean
as corruptions will influence wat is good for u
quiet finch
i have 5 sitting in bags
tropic ocean
well generally u want 475+ with socket
boots and weapons being 485 if u can access them
for pieces u need to sim topgear, but for other slots usually haste/mastery haste/crit will be the ones giving the best results
rings are locked as well (mechagon set) so its just belt, hands , pants, wrists
belts hands will most likely be the one from raid as they have good stats so maybe wrist and pants will be the ones left 😄
quiet finch
ok
i dont have many mythic pieces sadly
but i have 470 for most of the pieces that have either haste crit
tropic ocean
then just sim ur 475s
quiet finch
or haste mastery
tropic ocean
topgear will tell u which combo is best
quiet finch
kk
ill try that, ty
should i run one sim per gear slot? i have like 18 things for every slot
compare all of the pieces to find the best
dull crypt
475 BoE boots are a very nice piece if you dont do mythic raiding
strange python
just select what makes sense dont include shit you know wont be good
dull crypt
they're only 90k ish on my server now
quiet finch
fair enough, shall do that, just select pieces with haste main stat and crit/mastery secondary
i might buy the boots
thanks for the advice guys
dull crypt
just simmed top gear and it says for SS build my 480 SS/NP/whirl chest sims about 1k higher than my 475 SS/HoD/whirl piece
anyone reckon its the same result if a human does this instead of a bot? feels like i'd way overcap on energy with NP
quiet finch
i had a 475 haste/crit in my bank that i forgot ab lol
hod better for over all fight w/ constant stat boost?
dull crypt
well it becomes better with more expedient on your gear
gives me 154 haste instead of 84 because of it
quiet finch
oh yeah, didnt think ab that
dull crypt
just strongly wonder if 60 agility extra + nothing personal actually beats heart of darkness
candid token
Sorry if this question has been asked a thousand times already, but just came back from a long break.. is Assassination still the strongest spec for raiding? Or has it changed now
dull crypt
best single target yeah
candid token
Aight, thanks
quiet finch
i dont have the ring combo from mechagon and rings are the last pieces i can put exp 3 on, should i put corruptions on the rings i have not or wait till the better ones drop
only simming 64k dps atm
open briar
what ss or dd means pls?
woeful minnow
64k? you should have saved your expedients imo, what's your ilvl, 450?
but yes the rings are farmable and bis so you should just focus on those
quiet finch
473 equipped w/ 3ss, 3 hod, honed mind 3, exp 3 x 4
ancient cosmos
to use mutilate at 4 cp or to not ?
quiet finch
simmed 65k
manic pebble
@quiet finch your gears are better than me but why the dps is lower than me like 20k
shut garnet
EP sim 
manic pebble
no blood of the enemy
quiet finch
pvp talents 😭
shrewd night
bro, what sims is this
shut garnet
pvp still plays master poisoner?
quiet finch
i do atleast
ancient cosmos
yo guys should i use mutilate at 4cp or no
ancient cosmos
so there is no problem ?
cause it feels so wrong
i feel like im commiting a crime
using muti at 4cp
quiet finch
72k sim with correct talents
quiet finch
wat da hek
shrewd night
bruh, miss me with that 60k mess lmao
paper kelp
optimized with healing rings
shrewd night
Nothing for now ig
quiet finch
yeah dont have the rings
shrewd night
The pieces that dont have exp is kinda doo-doo
quiet finch
all i did was run jy yesterday and no drop 😭
is it worth cleansing the tendie 2 and put exp 3 on it
shrewd night
Can put one on the ring tho
shrewd night
Uuuuh, Id probably pug wrathion and get that dagger before slapping an exp on it
tropic ocean
the optimizer
quiet finch
the mythic dagger will never drop lOL, i have heroic =/
tropic ocean
ty ravenholdt for pimpin my rogue
quiet finch
i kill it every week, hopefully next week
dull crypt
simming shows gore splattered does 1k more dps, should I take that seriously since nothing personal loses quite some value with high amounts of haste?
quiet finch
raz's guide?
crimson palm
quiet finch
who dat
dull crypt
im not really doubting the sim, im more doubting own ability to prevent energy cap with NP, bloodlust and 71% haste
surely a sim is a lot better at that than I am
shrewd night
@manic pebble With the lack of choices there wasnt much I could do, but theres a 1k increase by just going PB instead of CT
Wouldnt DD be better?
tropic ocean
Why use np
dull crypt
I put both options in top gear and it says NP
paper kelp
NP is 2 enegry per sec
dull crypt
as in DD and NP
scarlet sequoia
@crimson palm u do realize the guide is there because people keep coming in here asking the exact same questions over and over again? obviously if you are a semi aware and capable player you don't need to read a guide, but some people aren't
tropic ocean
Np will for sure hard overcap u
scarlet sequoia
yeah its still really funny
manic pebble
@shrewd night I see, but 1k is not bad, thank you!
novel drum
i just noticed my sim is using 3 casts of shadowmeld lmfao
i forgot all about that niche interaction with SS
fleet anchor
I mean most of NPs value is in the damage not the energy regen
novel drum
not subterfuge
novel drum
i remember subterfuge for some reason knows its not real stealth but SS doesnt
fleet anchor
Yeah it's a little strange iirc
paper kelp
oh
lean marten
its becuase smeld allows the use of stealth abilities but Subt only works when u have rogue stealth active
novel drum
yehyeh
paper kelp
learning everyday
novel drum
just tested it yeah 650 out of stealth, 230k out of meld
but those 2 extra CP every two minutes
GIGA DMG
dim rose
Been a while since I played ally rogue, but can't you just macro meld into stealth?
dim rose
Ahh ok. Makes sense. I was going from memory in arena
fleet anchor
Unfortunately that would require playing Alliance 😄
paper kelp
Should I use CLF off cd or wait for vendetta/vanish ?
lean marten
if ur in a m+/arena/world u can meld->stealth and get another subt
in raid ur hard combat locked so it doesn't work
tropic ocean
think u'll use meld more to dodge abilities ;:P
tribal obsidian
so i did a heroic run with a mix of IS and expedient and did way better on every single boss then with full expedient. Did I just get lucky with IS procs on every boss?
rancid obsidian
Highly depends on the bosses, on paper IS does insance dmg but it's so suseptibel to problems.
tribal obsidian
both sims were about the same so i was testing
rancid obsidian
Even if there are only 1-2 adds running arround it might aswell deal no dmg at all.
paper kelp
its just less reliable
rancid obsidian
It's simmilar for me yes, and probaly anybody for that matter.
But run it for a while and you will see the issues.
Pretty much feast or famine.
tribal obsidian
ive ran it up till now
i only got expedients this week
well i always had like 2-3 but now am at 3 rank 7 and 1 rank 2
anyway gonna give it some more time
woeful minnow
have you considered maybe you're playing the exp build wrong
vestal granite
Can I get a quick reminder. Shroud Suffocation, does it get applied during Subterfuge on subsequent targets (after first leaving stealth)? And what about shadowmeld when you dont get full reset?
tribal obsidian
nah i know the rotation dont know how you could play it wrong really lol
woeful minnow
if your mix of IS/exp did better than full exp on something like vex there's something very wrong happening
or you're the luckiest man on the planet
paper kelp
on heroic adds die before i even get to them
woeful minnow
fair
paper kelp
ofc IS on heroic is gonna be good
tribal obsidian
we didnt do vex
woeful minnow
hive?
tribal obsidian
i guess most of the stuff we did was the ST oriented ones which would make sense
woeful minnow
even nzoth I dunno
paper kelp
nzoth is can be good cause during its 99% redcued dmg you can still get stacks on him
and enter last phase with 8 stacks
tribal obsidian
i just thought things like wrath, maut, raden, shad would be closer
i was expecting better with IS but not that big
scarlet sequoia
exsang guide has been updated, includes crimson tempest now
woeful minnow
bless you, like 60% of the questions on discord in the past week have been about the ct opener
tribal obsidian
i mean CT is basically replace envenom with CT when its not on the mob or in pandemic
right? Dunno how theres so many questions on that
scarlet sequoia
think its the opener that causes most of the confusion
but all of it is covered in the guide
paper kelp
me dumb dumb can't read
ebon heath
How does expdient works? is 12% flat haste ? or 12% of all your haste?
ebon heath
So it also benefits from vita, and humming black trinkets?
vestal granite
far as I know the Expedient percent flatly add up (increasing in rank) while it will dynamically update the haste bonus when you get proccs and stufffrom all sources
yeeeeeeeeeeees
west lake
@charred prism make them make you good
paper kelp
imagine if exp worked like sotw works
ebon heath
yeah bye IS3
quiet finch
does expedient stack exponentially or does every exp 3 just use your base haste %
ebon heath
I think it's base haste + haste from buffs
wet ruin
it uses your base
ebon heath
It says all sources
wet ruin
just think of it as a single amp
that is a bit more powerful (or a lot more powerful rather)
ebon heath
Also, how much haste do you need to swap from vigor to deeper stratagem?
fathom swift
Enough for it to sim better
wary ice
Expedient is a multiplier on the number of your haste, so if you have 1000 hast and exp6, you get 1240 haste. If you get a proc that gives another 1000 haste, you'll be at 2480
tribal obsidian
i could be wrong but im pretty sure expedient buffs everything even procs it just doesnt exponentially stack. The expedients are additive
tranquil moat
anyone got a sim I can look at for a M+ setup?
fathom swift
When people talk about expedient why do they say rank 6 or rank 8 etc, ranks dont scale linearly, 3 rank 1s is not the same as 1 rank 3
fathom swift
Why not say 40 corruption worth
wary ice
tribal obsidian
does the term tendies trigger anyone else with regards to appendages
broken oriole
Yes. Tendies are tenders
tribal obsidian
they arent attendages or tendacles
wary ice
I think theres just very few reasons to intentionally be using 1 or 2 without being fully kitted
broken oriole
Specifically, of the chicken variety
fathom swift
Rank 6 could mean anything from 24% to 36%
Ya but some people have weird gear setups
wary ice
You're not wrong
novel drum
cant say enough how refreshing it is to have a build that confuses the shit out of me
grave trail
so how good is the nature damage ring from mech
grave trail
fml just looted a socketed one
novel drum
i mean its not bad
grave trail
30+ runs still no haste
novel drum
its just not something youre shooting for
vast forum
it's still bonus damage but smaller bonus than the haste
grave trail
Kay
vast forum
any1 know what the highest raz sim is?
also, for people wondering about formless void major on a 3 min fight, i feel like this is a good depiction of what it should look like 😄 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QkPY7ymdJra6Z3pV#fight=21&type=casts&source=7&view=timeline
fleet anchor
As per the discussion about about Expedient mechanics
They are additive and multiply all of your haste rating
vast forum
holy shit i just noticed i dropped garrote for quite some time near the end of the fight monkaW
fleet anchor
e.g. 12% Expedient + 12% Expedient is 24% passive multiplier on your haste rating. They don't multiply each other, and they don't affect things like lust.
But they affect all sources of rating
haha Yoppa, happens to the best of us 😄
vast forum
but i felt good about the fight, because the fight length was perfect for trying out formless major with bote + clf 😄
it also allowed me to delay 2nd galecaller for 3rd exsang without losing casts of anything
fleet anchor
I've still been torn on how best to technically parse on Xanesh. Part of me feels like finding a way to Garrote the adds would be the best optimally, but really tricky to pull off without wasting time.
vast forum
best way to parse on xanesh requires your group to have shit add dps 😄
vast forum
it's like, it's downright impossible to parse on n'zoth if your grp does a lot of dps
because he goes immune
or you have to stop dps
fleet anchor
haha our R1 Heroic guild kill
vast forum
also, the downtime between tentacles is longer
vast forum
yep 😄
fleet anchor
It sucks
vast forum
i think the boss is horribly designed with the immunities...
fleet anchor
Even on Mythic it's hard to get damage in on the start of the fight, I've mostly just given up lol
vast forum
you should be able to skip a psychus phase if you do enough dps
fleet anchor
The first add wave dies before Paranoia even goes out now
vast forum
i got 1 good log (while forgetting to use flask) and now it's just going downwards with 4-5 hunters and 3 mages with all their severes/masterfuls
i'm happy about 1 good parse tho 😄
fleet anchor
I got a Rank 51 on Mythic this week but it's really annoying since I'm losing so much damage on the pull to everything dying so fast. Not really even bothering with prepot and get almost no value from initial Stealth Garrotes
vast forum
i was rank 15 on the no-flask kill at the time but the parse is now >100
rank 111 actually
distant lava
@fleet anchor I try to bribe my fire mages
to combust the other basher
hasn't worked out so far
vast forum
we have 3 mages so everything is combusted 😦
fleet anchor
lol
vast forum
we used to even have 4
fleet anchor
Sometimes I've had the best luck with double garrote on Basher+Corrupter then stepping to a spike in range but OUT of combust range
But that's a little high risk because if anyone else touches the spike it dies instantly lol
But if I get it to myself it's 👌
vast forum
you can do more but it's super unreliable
distant lava
I just garrote garrote vend exsang blood
vast forum
like if you double garrote the basher and corruptor and insta blood-exsang
i feel like this is a case where blood goes before exsang
distant lava
don't even know if vend is worth the global
vast forum
or maybe i'm wrong 😄
i'd say press vend after blood and exsang and see what happens 😄
distant lava
my fucking mages keep swaping targets too
vast forum
it's just such a shit fight once every1 is geared
fleet anchor
I mean
distant lava
so I can't even pick one that's going to live a bit longer
vast forum
i wish the tentacles had more hp
fleet anchor
The adds last less than 10s for us
I barely have time to even get dots up at all lol
Obviously ways to early Exsang, etc. to squeeze what I can in, but no matter what it's just really inefficient
compared to when they died slowly lol
vast forum
~12 sec of bashers for my guild 😄