Vop minor can be good if ur killtime is like 145 to 150
#assassination
mellow pier
cunning geyser
Hey I've read the guide on exsang in the pinned messages but I haven't found the answer. When the first empowered garrote exsang expires, when I reapply a new garrote with vanish do I apply it twice for pandemic ?
vast forum
yes
cunning geyser
ok and it's quite micro but should I do garrote garrote or more like garrote mutilate garrote, like waiting the end of subterfuge
in opener yeah I saw it's indicated
it just wasn't clear to me if we had to apply twice everytime we vanish but I guess it does make sense
mellow pier
So on opener u gar ruptute gar
cunning geyser
yeah the opener is clear I read it, it was just about the new garrote with the first vanish and you answered ^^
mellow pier
2nd 1 u can do like a gar env gar or something just depends on cp and finishers
chrome grove
i feel kinda trolled. 12 carapace hc kills and still not a single weapon š is there a good one that is farmable with m+ ?
mellow pier
Yeah just depends on what u line up with
lone junco
not necessary for the vanish
grizzled jay
@cunning geyser I usually Gar-Mut-Gar-CT after Vanish
lone junco
the opener is getting a full panedmic garrote
and a full pandemic rupture
Making good use of the extra CPS from SS
mellow pier
Etc.
grizzled jay
It also depends if you have DS or not
mellow pier
Yes that too
grizzled jay
With DS you are less likely to overcap CP, so Gar-Mut-Gar is exactly 6CP is Mut doesn't crit.
mellow pier
Theres no set thing to do tho
cunning geyser
I play vigor but I guess I should sim for DS
mellow pier
Sim it
grizzled jay
DS will out-do Vigor as you get more Haste because you will overcap Energy a lot with Vigor
cunning geyser
I'm far from a hyper expedient build yet, trying to go there but I got a few. here's my sim if you wanna know what my assa look like:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5fCUeWVyz1owXGCG7Yzds2
grizzled jay
Which devalues it
minor thicket
how much corruption are you guys generally playing with for your exsan build?
grizzled jay
Play what you are comfortable with
mellow pier
56 atm
grizzled jay
You have to play 55+ if you want to 'parse', but if you are not comfortable with playing around TfB there's nothing wrong with playing sub-40 as well.
cunning geyser
Illgynoth as well right ?
minor thicket
no, illgy you need to play less
mellow pier
I did but depends on how good u are
minor thicket
generaly
cunning geyser
just asking because I'm reclearing for first time with my guild, couldn't play with them before and they told me that it's better to be under 40 for ilgy
mellow pier
Plus most pple dispel now
vital haven
sub 40 for illgy is fine
like i mean its one fight
you can go above for everything else
mellow pier
@cunning geyser are sure u utilize poisoned knife for thing
surreal summit
@cunning geyser i still sim lower than you on patchwerk with bis azerites and 5 expedient
mellow pier
Crippling poison is huge
vital haven
really the most annoying part about corruption is the fucking slow
mellow pier
U can cripple poison and move a few steps most times and be fine
cunning geyser
@surreal summit I sim "high" ? How come if it's less optimal ?
yeah I'm used to play with thing and I'm fine usually, just wondered why it was so important for ilgy. I just understand it's a safe thing to do
mellow pier
Basically if u die u wipe the raid
Thats why some pple dont wanna play higher corruption
U can get comboed out
cunning geyser
yeah ok
cunning geyser
on the 2nd vendetta where I have to wait the vanish to be up, I got to wait for exsang as well right ?
vital haven
yes but they should come off cd at relatively the same time
cunning geyser
hmm I guess I did something wrong on the dummies just then
it was like 10seconds late
surreal summit
@cunning geyser dno tbh, im farming to get the spec going, but i have no clue why i only sim 87k
cunning geyser
cos I just refresh on cd with a garrote above 15s and rupture above 25s
mellow pier
@cunning geyser when lining up cds remember vendetta is 20s and blood/exsang tick out is roughly 10s
U can pop vendetta early before u use those cds if u will still have up for duration of blood
cunning geyser
BoE in general is used after the exsang under vendetta ?
mellow pier
Yes
cunning geyser
ok
mellow pier
Next gcd after exsang
cunning geyser
yeah make sense
if my vendetta comes back in 15s do I keep exsang ? What's the minimum amount of secs I wait
sorry for all those micro questions but not sure where to find the answer elsewhere
icy oasis
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stuck island
Is there one of those that lets u know if garrote is empowered?
surreal summit
ye i've got 140k coalescing atm that i need to grind
steep obsidian
also the really big sims have an mythic cara dagger
cunning geyser
I'm very confused your gear does seem better than mine, I guess it's the sockets
surreal summit
Ye exactly
steep obsidian
you can add socktes in raidbots pretty easily
to see what socketing a few pieces or everything would give you
novel drum
490 chest piece, 485 dagger, get yourself a plumage
also sim if you should be runnig DS instead of vigor?
steep obsidian
oh i didnt evne look at the talents
sand whale
right forgot the corruption threshold but you got stuff you can use, I don't think you're simming correctly in terms of pieces you need to use
steep obsidian
look at erik
steep obsidian
you will have a phatty sim with a few more socktes
clever dagger
when should i use the troll racial beserk in the opener ?
steep obsidian
now just gotta get good at playin it
cunning geyser
if the duration of vendetta is less than 45s, should I keep exsang for it ? How many seconds ?
steep obsidian
I think the answer to your question while playing it in a raid comes with encounter knowledge and kill timers
if you want to see exactly what the sim does just go look at the timeline of the button it presses and uses its cds
cunning geyser
I'm just asking on a dummy then i'll adapt for raid encounters
strong folio
anything special i need to do to have raidbots sim CT in single target?
novel drum
nope just sim as you normally would for single target
obviously its only gonna work if you have enough haste
strong folio
is just that on the damage breakdown i dont see ct damage
quiet finch
yo guys, i'm switching from outlaw to the 3x expedient build and I was wondering what the stat caps were
i saw haste>mastery=crit but i was wondering if there is a specific amount to aim for
quiet finch
is that bis sim?
woeful minnow
there are no specific amounts to aim for or breakpoints of any kind
use whatever sims better
cunning geyser
CLF on cd or on vendetta ?
woeful minnow
@strong folio your quick sim doesn't use CT because it's not a dps gain for you, you should be using poison bomb
strong folio
alright ty
i simed plumage too, this did more Noobe
in practice might not be better
raven locust
Plumage comes out on top by quite a lot on shorter fights for me
orchid elk
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eager mountain
Do I put CT, in single target rotation?
woeful minnow
if it sims better!
eager mountain
I think the sim uses it but not sure
lone junco
GC is just shit to actually use imo.
eager mountain
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aQ9oKhW6fnhSf2YTY94N9B
As much as I can see it is using it, but when I do it, I get lwoer DPS
slim pebble
I have the BIS slot for head but its 465. my 480 chest doesn't have SS on it. Should I take a chance on another 480 chest or buy a 480 head?
blissful storm
how much garrote dot and rupture dot at least have to be to cast exsanguinate?
strong folio
I also just noticed that on the sims galecallers in only used on vendetta windows, isn't that wrong?
stuck island
15s in garrote and 25s in rupture is my way to do it
strong folio
Nvm, my bad, 2nd use is just not timed with exanguinate
red plaza
@slim pebble if you guys kill mythic Vexiona, the chest there isnāt bad. SS/NP/OP. If you kill Mythic Raden the head from there is BIS. I would roll on the piece from the boss you donāt normally kill
stuck island
Thats why u use exang in pandemic, cuz garrote goes to 23 secs if u apply 2 of them
blissful storm
ok ok, thanks
balmy condor
I thought new APL always casts garrote -> rupture -> exsang
Yeah
Itās garrote->max rupture
Regardless of duration
hardy crypt
do you have any guides on how to play assa on m+? for example, do you go more into the subterfuge +shrouded suffocation or pure fan of knives with echoing blades?
are there any good guides on it?
lone junco
g g g ct, fok rupture then ofkfokfokfokfokfokfkofkofokfokf
balmy condor
Yep
lone junco
use vendetta on purpose. on baddy fort mobs, or on bosses.
balmy condor
Well, fokfokfokfokfokfokfokfokCTfokfokfokfokfokfokfok
hardy crypt
ct stands for?
balmy condor
Crimson tempest
lone junco
but 3SS does real work, if you get 3 tabbed garrotes
balmy condor
Fok talent isnāt good
lone junco
ish
prisma cypress
is worldvein still a thing or is it overrated compared to condensed life-force
lone junco
in some packs, youl ggg ct vanish ggg 3 different mobs.
balmy condor
But it doesnāt cleave so /shrug
hardy crypt
so 3xss 3xeb, blood of the enemy, subterfuge and crimson tempest?
balmy condor
Yes
lone junco
balmy condor
PB on high tyran
prime void
^ shit player
lone junco
I know right
prime void
That looks like Iām pointing at you whspyr š
hardy crypt
is going for severe + strikethrough a viable option
prime void
Itās the option
balmy condor
Thatās the most viable option
prime void
Not a viable option
prime void
You want extremely high crit
grizzled jay
Whispyr you might be the worst, but at least you're the cutest
lone junco
crit stacking is great for keys
hardy crypt
so the gorak tuls is probably a good piece too right
hardy crypt
yeah i already go for the exsang build on raids
prime void
Itās actually pretty decent for lower mob density keys
balmy condor
I mean
hardy crypt
but im thinking of switching from outlaw to assa on keys
balmy condor
Yeah
balmy condor
Thatās why aoe not low mob density ;)
But you 100% correct
Tyran kings rest plays way different from a teeming motherlode
And weāre one of the specs that has to change for that
prime void
Well low mob density is still aoe yknow; just have to differentiate it from things like first pull in FH or Atal
balmy condor
glares angrily at bm hunters
hardy crypt
I'm just worried about chain pulls, that's the thing
balmy condor
Fkin 1 talent lookin ass
hardy crypt
yeah the teeming ml
prime void
You still do fine damage if your tank is chaining awkwardly
balmy condor
Vanish works wonders
prime void
Just say something. Doesnāt matter if he chain effectively, then itās worth it for the group
If he chains when 1 mob is left and at 10% just flame him and get kicked
hardy crypt
do you have any links to some guides or streamers who have full information on that build?
feral flare
How do I go about getting a 475 Gorak Tul Mantle? Is the only way to get lucky on a TR roll? Or is it listed in the 20k section? I forget if I saw it.
balmy condor
We linked a streamer earlier
hardy crypt
ohhh
prime void
I donāt raid either
feral flare
I'm at 13k. I best just continue to save up instead of blowing it and getting burned. Ty.
prime void
If that helps :p
balmy condor
Aight youāre actually cancelled
broken oriole
I've rolled 3 times and no luck yet
broken oriole
The good thing is you get 1000 back
feral flare
And I take it a 485 version like the mythic stuff just doesn't exist?
tropic ocean
480 gorak is superior to mythic lvl shoulders
@feral flare
@hardy crypt yes, they are all from vendor though
hardy crypt
oof
feral flare
Oh. Does it drop at 475? I thought the TR gear was 470.
sullen hollow
What are bis corruptions for DD spec?
tropic ocean
you can do island and get mission on table
balmy condor
Do a +30
tropic ocean
and grind normal/heroic/mythic and scrap azerite u get from there that u dont need
sullen hollow
Really?
balmy condor
Corruptions donāt change
sullen hollow
Huh
balmy condor
But also DD in 2020
tropic ocean
corruption is expedient for raid, severe/strikethrough for m+
balmy condor
Kinda yikes
drifting cloud
you can play TA and pray
sullen hollow
Its kinda yikes, and even if you still run dd / np
drifting cloud
thats what most dd logs are
sullen hollow
i want to
drifting cloud
play more, pray more
sullen hollow
but i need pieces
hardy crypt
the stat prio is probably crit->mastery->versa->haste right
balmy condor
Ryler spittin facktz
hardy crypt
on the aoe build
balmy condor
Yes
hardy crypt
noice, at least that
balmy condor
Although itās weird to think about it like that
hardy crypt
so are there some thresholds at which the stats become worse
balmy condor
Cause each dungeon is different and so itās kinda weird to be like āhaste is bad in m+ā
hardy crypt
oh yeah that makes sense too
tropic ocean
not really
balmy condor
Debate 100
sullen hollow
I just dont have the gear to run expediant exsang build
balmy condor
Iām not saying you should swap to exped
balmy condor
For ALL of m+?
tropic ocean
u gain small st
but lose high cleave/aoe
on 6target sim for my char i lose 20k+aoe
to gain 5k st
when switching expedient vs severe strike
and thats with haste gear
cuz im too lazy to change all gear in sim to crit vers
balmy condor
I just said corruptions shouldnāt change
balmy condor
I agree
tropic ocean
maybe junkyard
vast forum
depends on dungeon
tropic ocean
but thats the only dungeon I can see
vast forum
i'd run expedient in KR/workshop always
tropic ocean
if u desperately want boss dps
sure
but u will lose more overall than u gain on st
vast forum
not really
balmy condor
Yes really
vast forum
ok
tropic ocean
good logic
vast forum
sometimes, 5k st dps saves you more time than 20k aoe dps
tropic ocean
š¤
balmy condor
Thatās some curious math
tropic ocean
idd
vast forum
if you have 6 targets
the dps per target is 3k
and that's the time you save
you also wanna balance out your group, if you have aoe blasters, some more ST is better
tropic ocean
if its not due to surviving
balmy condor
A dungeon, with all pulls, has X hp
Doing more overall is faster
vast forum
but time to finish dungeon will go down
balmy condor
^
tropic ocean
and more dmg is better
vast forum
you're assuming you're soloing the dungeon
tropic ocean
nope
but gaining 5k dps on st
but losing 20k on cleave or aoe
is not a time gain
tropic ocean
aight
stuck island
Friendly reminder for all haste build users, farm your way to both meca rings, dont be like me and think your 2 rings are good enought and apply EXP3 to them, once you get the meca ones u will regret it
vast forum
so let me give you an example
hardy crypt
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/w9JvY792N8px7pueoweops okay since it's awful dps what do you think you would change
sorry for interrupting the discussion
vast forum
if you do more ST damage, you're reducing the amount of time your pumper bm hunter has to do ST damage
and you're increasing his aoe dps
over the entire dungeon
balmy condor
@hardy crypt stop taking the fok talent
vast forum
but if you only look at your own personal dps, ofc, going aoe will be better
hardy crypt
oh yeah it's there XD goddammit
hardy crypt
so poison bomb + toxic blade?
balmy condor
reverse synergy with EB
you can play TB if you want, I would say exsang
not taking CT is actually trolling though
distant lava
latent spear
I've switched to exhan build and I like it far more then TB Crit build
hardy crypt
so my azerites are pretty shitty for the aoe @balmy condor
i can change the chest and head
to
chest shrouded suffocation + nothing personal
balmy condor
that's not great either
hardy crypt
scent of blood?
balmy condor
no
balmy condor
scent of blood was good 14 months ago
hardy crypt
yeah agi lowkey sucks
balmy condor
I mean, EB is just straight better
grizzled jay
Kingsbane Legendary? 
tropic ocean
scent could potentially be strong if constant chainpull and big
but i dont think its even on eb pieces atm
balmy condor
we all asked for tier sets, so now we get shadowlands legendaries
ion teasing us so hard
balmy condor
wait actually?
grizzled jay
yes
latent spear
Yeah
grizzled jay
in his interview with Sloot
balmy condor
how did I miss that
grizzled jay
idk
tropic ocean
yeah
grizzled jay
it's copying Legion basically, EN didn't have Tier either
balmy condor
<- actual dumpster trash
grizzled jay
Cute dumpster trash
verbal sparrow
Even class tmogs as sets ? 
grizzled jay
whispyr can i add you on bnet and annoy you with rogue questions
main forge
With no tier sets in the first tier... gives them a nice baseline to look at where all the classes start out at
balmy condor
;=;
grizzled jay
"Signet of Tormented Kings - Activating Bladestorm, Recklessness, or Avatar randomly casts one of the other two abilities."
balmy condor
bully
grizzled jay
The rich get richer
tropic ocean
i'd really like tier sets i first tier already
makes raiding worth so much more
like from balancing blizz doesnt care anyway so no point in waiting
main forge
I don't like tier sets. since there isn't even a choice in the matter.
grizzled jay
Which Rogue Legion leggos were Pog?
tropic ocean
wrists
main forge
its either good for 2 pc or good for 4pc, and you work around that
tropic ocean
yeah
but it makes raiding worth
more
wrists/shoulder (or boots if u played earlier legion)
main forge
I rather have on proc or on use items
grizzled jay
If they make tier 10 slots (all 8 + both rings) that would help a lot with letting you pick and choose pieces for the 'right' secondaries
tropic ocean
yeah they should make something like corruption item drop
grizzled jay
Instead of being locked into the same 4 or 5 slots
tropic ocean
that lets u put tier bonus on any item
and not limit us again with 4 pieces locked to set
grizzled jay
People will not complain about tier set overall compared to Azerite set imo
because Tier isn't random
you don't get a random 2pc and 4pc
balmy condor
you crafted your legendary, so now you can't replace it, tier is locking your slots, the trinkets are OP busted
I can see it getting pretty saucy in the locked slot land
main forge
It just sucks there is no choice in the 2 pc or 4 pc... Its either good or it isn't, at least with azerite.... there is variety
balmy condor
you assume blizzard learns from mistakes and improves on them
main forge
There are a few traits that are like either/or
tropic ocean
For rogue its not as bad as some other classes
tropic ocean
In arms eg 1 tom is better than 2x most of other traits š
In assa no trait can compete to ss for multitarget
and so on
main forge
nothing personal or DD aren't bad choices either though
tropic ocean
?
vast forum
EB competes with SS on enough targets 
main forge
^
main forge
I think EB wins out over SS on hivemind
verbal sparrow
Why that guide Raz made gives you 79 corruption in next ID. 7x Exp3 1x Exp2 1x Honed Mind 
verbal sparrow
but thats scary
ebon heath
Hey how much haste % do you need to make CT +esxanguinate work?
verbal sparrow
I have 64 and it hurts
tropic ocean
@ebon heath as much as when it starts simming better
With raz build u will be under 60
With max cloak
I run it 1:1 except honed mind and im at 56 or so
And will get 36 more res
balmy condor
@ebon heath no breakpoint, it just happens, usually between lik 30-35% for people, keep simming yourself
tropic ocean
So 55 or smth with honed mind
balmy condor
also depends heavily on azerite
CT though
that's not happening
until like
way later
like 55% I think I see most people seeing it pull about even
tropic ocean
Think im gonna run a strikethrough or lower tier honed mind until then
ebon heath
Yes im trying to sim my char with expedients instead of IS, im sick of infinte stars rng, im 473 with 27% haste atm without expedients
verbal sparrow
i have (just atm 8x Exp3, bout to purify one and make it Exp2) and I would have 59 next week.
tropic ocean
did u miss cloak up?
tropic ocean
U miss more than 1
tropic ocean
I have 86 res
verbal sparrow
ohno
patent topaz
89 is max this week
tropic ocean
I run 7 exp 3 and 1 exp 2 that puts me on 56 corruption (after resistance)
So next week it will be 53
For u aswell
verbal sparrow
so it ain't possible to run Raz corrupt build atm right ?
verbal sparrow
yea that's what I meant, like, you could but its suicide
verbal sparrow
I'm dumb, I purified accidentaly Exp R2 and made it R3 
tropic ocean
Rip
balmy condor
but it gives more haste 
verbal sparrow
true š§
sick oyster
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echo night
At what haste % does the expedient build start to shine?
dull crypt
ye next week you can run 8x r3 exp
echo night
Currently at 60% haste
dull crypt
Ive only picked it up today at 65% and already nearly went 300k burst with bad play so
echo night
Crit/mastery still sims higher :S
balmy condor
@echo night stat weight sims are troll
echo night
So, how do i sim myself now then xD?
balmy condor
top gear
sinful island
Top gear!
echo night
Oh
analog glade
Gallecaller boon better than Lustrous ?
balmy condor
galecaller technically better on paper I think, but harder to use
sinful island
I'd go with Lustrous as you can move out
tacit charm
Is CT crimson tempest? The AOE poison?
dull crypt
yes
sinful island
Yes
tacit charm
Ok
grizzled jay
AoE Bleed
grizzled jay
Doesn't benefit from Mastery or Venomous Wounds
tacit charm
Thatās what I meant sorry lol
analog glade
@balmy condor Hmm
sick oyster
anyone around that has the link to sims comparing rupture vs ct with 5cp in the exang build opener
balmy condor
hmmm?
echo night
I would only use galecallers on fights/pulls you are 100% sure you can stay in full duration
grizzled jay
@sick oyster What do you mean?
analog glade
@balmy condor Is it more for comfort or the burst is more important?
balmy condor
if you move out of it
it gets worse
so if you can stand in it
cool
if you can't, plumage opop
sick oyster
@grizzled jay if you go gar rup gar mut in the opener and end up with 5 out of 6 cp
grizzled jay
You would Mut again and Rupture, not waste on CT.
sinful island
how much haste do you guys guy with that many expedient that people are running now? I'm at 5 and at 72% so spammy
get*
sinful island
Sorry, 5 x3 and 1 x2
tacit charm
I recently got 475 deadeye from my weekly box.
dull crypt
I'm at 6 exp 3 and 65% haste, still got room for 2 and no haste on dagger
echo night
Ive got haste on all items and 4x exp r3 only 60% haste :(
balmy condor
raz is doing an opener where he goes
g rup g vend mut ct mut mut rup ex bote
Idk how much of an up that is
but its definitely an up
5cp -> CT
6cp -> rup
lean marten
all depends if the mut after vend gets you to 5cp or not
strange python
wasnt the diff like 0.2%
sick oyster
ye i know someone was simming how much of a difference its actually is
balmy condor
very minor
strange python
min maxing š
grizzled jay
@sick oyster So in your scenario you'd have a 2CP Rupture for 27,456 damage then a 5CP CT for 25,616. When you pandemic the Rupture, you get a 6CP for 36.4 seconds for a lot more than those 2 numbers combined. Probably over 70k easy.
sick oyster
@grizzled jay you always pandemic the rupture its just 5 vs forced 6 cp
vital haven
i do find it annoying that the first mut sometimes is only 2cp
lone junco
such is life
vital haven
its like come on dude
tacit charm
Do yāall use deeper stratagem or vigor talent?
rancid bobcat
just get more crit
lone junco
100% crit is nice
rancid bobcat
vital haven
ill say when EP first released
going MA with rank 3 blood
basically no chance of getting non 4 cp muts
was nice
grizzled jay
@tacit charm Vigor is better when you have lower Haste, but as you get more Haste (and thus more Energy regen), Vigor drops in value significantly. DS also better in any AoE situation since you'll get 6CP CT's
tacit charm
Ok thank you.
balmy condor
vigor in dungeons, in raids vigor with lower haste, DS with exsang
tacit charm
But isnāt outlaw better in AOE fights like hive mind? Or are you talking about fights like Raden where there are only 3 ads
lone junco
@rancid bobcat i had 100% crit at the end of legion with argus buffs. was nice.
grizzled jay
Outlaw is a better dps spec yes but who has time to grind out daggers AND swords
tacit charm
Well I usually just use Outlaw in dungeons
dull crypt
SS spec is very capable for hivemind, you won't top the meters but it'll do enough
grizzled jay
SS spec is also super high skillcap on hivemind vs Outlaw just brring AoE dps kekw
tacit charm
@grizzled jay when you get the sword and the dagger off of mythic wrathion then me
grizzled jay
doesnt that sword have str
tacit charm
It is a crit haste sword
dull crypt
Should I trust raidbots when it says my 475 mastery/vers dagger beats 470 cara hc one with 24 expedient
tacit charm
No it drops one for outlaw and 0 for sin
grizzled jay
@dull crypt if its MH, then yes
MH wep damage is our best DPS
OH wep damage is our worst iirc
tacit charm
He drops one dagger and one sword
dull crypt
alrighty just making sure
tacit charm
I
dull crypt
I envy those with double cara mythic daggers
tacit charm
Ok
grizzled jay
I want to say 1 wep dam = 12 dps, and usually Haste is like 6-7 dps per 1
main forge
I don't even want to cleanse my heroic cara dagger š¦
light jacinth
@lone junco which log you talking about
fleet anchor
š¤¢
light jacinth
Ah yeh
lone junco
had good tendys there
light jacinth
It got beat after like 2 weeks 
lone junco
idk if that view helps noobs but I liked it when I was learning stuff
light jacinth
I wasn't playing with tempest then though
lone junco
when we played sub for a few weeks in legion, i had an opener on the right monitor and stared at it while I was rolling
and yet. you did more with tendy. such is corruption
light jacinth
Yeah I mean it wasn't overly good tendie dam either
Only like 4mil or something
Granted I had weeks running t8 tendies and get 0 procs at all
lone junco
yeah. Im running 200% IT, soon to be 230. its the heal equiv of stars procs.
when it procs outside of wings, im like š
but too good to pass on for sure.
stark oxide
How is assa looking for SL dungeons? Current aoe kinda relies on azerite traits so...
lone junco
It used to involve tabbed ruptures. Look forward to rupture bleeds having power again.
SS is getting baked into subterfuge right?
strange python
has anyone had any good experiences with vop major? its simming highest for me w/ 3 DD and 3 nothing personals but i'm still unsure about the proc rate (running expedient 21)
long portal
Dont have the azerite for exsang build? Vop can do really well in raid, but you just rely more on rng
lone junco
Vision major, NP and a ton of IT sounds so super lazy.
The kind of memes I like to see.
strange python
š
long portal
It only has to work once, right? š
lone junco
Probably not as good as just stacking stars. But I expect to see memes like that in logs as the tier goes on.
low girder
should be the next meme heroic run
create the best autoattack only builds
see if you can clear
lone junco
Classes where CDs push crd on CDs will perform better with IT. Nothing slides vendetta.
It is legit bananas for hpal.
strange python
my top gear sim doesn't work
lone junco
did you mess up your /simc import
strange python
it just always says "your currently equipped gear is the top gear"
no i just use the in game addon
long portal
Just means your gear is siiiiiik š
strange python
woops
lone junco
no the raidbots,com link
strange python
i had 460 legs and 445
and i know that the 460 are better
so i equiped the 445 to test and it still told me that those where bis
but when i equip the 460 it's also "bis"
lone junco
post the raidbot.com link
strange python
so idk if it even works for my essences
fleet anchor
Really no way for IT to be all that great for Rogue, it's really only good for classes that both have short CD cycles and also CDR built into their specs
strange python
just the url?
fleet anchor
Especially Assassination
lone junco
yeah.
lone junco
holy shock is a 6 sec cd. and it makes it nice. but wings in the wings is the good part.
getting vendetta back to back for 2 mins would be neat.
plain jewel
hey guys. finally using the exsang build, but crimson tempest sims higher for me. should i use crimson tempest before or after exsang in the opener?
lone junco
might not be huge though.
it would be neat to see vendetta push out like this wings.
83% uptime over 2:20
low girder
i think someone simmed it a few weeks back and it topped out around 80k lol
long portal
vendetta is a shit cd, thats why ;_;
lone junco
probably true. glimmer is azerite based so the hit is relatively fixed
vendetta needs actual damage done
if you dont pump, it just sits there.
200% IT on ret is weird as well.
just wind up smashing blade of wrath instead of the other builders.
strange python
@strange python whatever you are doing is not how top gear sims work
gentle belfry
How many Exp III should one have in total? +80 corr resist currently - for a sin pve build
sand whale
@strange python it's because you're not actually using top gear properly you just need to select the pants for a sim don't need to run /simc and change gear or anything when done right you should have a list like this https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gadvTnajfv8jJwCHPQRLCD
you aren't comparing items basically or at least not selecting the right items hence whatever you're eqipping is top gear lol
verbal sparrow
I heard here that CT isn't buffed from mastery... like.. it's a bleed isn't it ?
sleek pecan
Does shadowmeld improve garrote damage?
verbal sparrow
it does (only from SS)*
balmy condor
only from SS
not from sub
CT should be mastery buffed, I don't know why it wouldn't
@gentle belfry that's a sim question
@plain jewel if you get vend->mut into 5cp, cast CT, if you get 6, cast rupture
frigid grotto
hey guys where can i find a guide for the exang build?
sharp swallow
check pinned
strange python
@sand whale so i just do a top gear sim and then select the item that i think might be better and it will tell me if its better?
balmy condor
yes
it will create combinations based on the selected gear/essences/etc
and then simulate those against one another
and spit out what it thinks will be the highest dps
long portal
Do you have the simc addon, ingame?
ebon patio
Hey everyone! Could anyone send me the simc/raidbots string for Gibbering Maw, either the heroic or mythic version? Thanks!
balmy condor
you select the pieces, it makes all possible combinations using those pieces
if you have 2 legs
strange python
I always just run quick sim with item A , then with itzm B and watch whays better
long portal
so you copy the string from the addon ingame into the top gear box.
balmy condor
it'll make the combination with leg A and leg B
ebon patio
Thanks @balmy condor didnt know that!
balmy condor
if you select rings A B C alongside legs A and B
long portal
this will show you all your equipped gear plus the stuff in your bags
strange python
Yeah but what combinations
Isnt it just supposed to say which of the 2 legs sims highest
balmy condor
then it'll do ring AB and leg A, ring AB and leg B, ring AC and leg A, ring AC and leg B
etc etc
long portal
did you click both of the legs?
strange python
Oh so you choose 1 item and then it tries everything in your bags& essences ?
balmy condor
no
strange python
Nope because i had no idea how it worked
balmy condor
it only does the selected items
long portal
ill send you a screen shot one sec
long portal
https://gyazo.com/3049a56862b793511e2667a295180125 You should see something like this after you past the simc string into raidbots
then you just click on all the items you want it to sim
uncut cape
with Deeper Stratagem do i finish with 4-6 or 5-6 CP?
balmy condor
5-6
strange python
Yeah that's what i thought but i don't get what you mean with different combinations because aren't there only 2 combinations?
long portal
by default it will have what you're wearing highlighted. you just click whatever other options you want to sim also
uncut cape
so sometimes i need 3x muli?
balmy condor
yes you will need 3x mut sometimes
balmy condor
top gear is far more powerful than leg A vs leg B
you can select multiple items across different slots, and compare them all at once
strange python
Oh yeah i get it now
So you could test all the best essence combinations in 1 sim?
balmy condor
yeah
you could select like 4 different majors and 6 different minors
and it'll just go through each combination and work it out
errant delta
hay guys is there a reson we gar rup gar cds mut rup ex rather than gar gar rup cds ex?
errant delta
ahh ty
long portal
you get an extra tick of garrote
long portal
i mean with G>R>G you get an extra tick of empowered garrote vs what he said. you dont waste any cps?
balmy condor
either way, gar gar rup is bad
strange python
Okay thanks man , it's starting to make sense to me :)
balmy condor
you waste 3cp
strange python
u get EP earlier too right?
balmy condor
because the first rup is 6cp
instead of the 3
there's a multitude of reasons why gar gar is bad
the EP is also a good point
long portal
big true
balmy condor
so you have EP, the extra gar tick
and you have efficient pandemic usage from the 3cp rup into the 6cp rup later
vs 6cp rup into exsang which would be without pandemic
or 6cp rup into 6cp rup
which then wastes the 3cp
grizzled jay
is there any merit to gar gar rup mut mut ct exsang
grizzled jay
but both mutilates get EP vs. only 1 mutilate with gar rup gar
and the aoe CT gets ep too
balmy condor
mutilates aren't the damage source though
long portal
thats probably really close in damage tmb
grizzled jay
in an aoe situation i think gar gar rup mut mut ct exsang is better
so the ct gets EP
balmy condor
in an aoe situation you do gar gar gar ct
which is completely aside the point
if you do gar rup gar vend mut rup, all of that is in EP as well
if you do gar rup gar vend mut ct mut mut rup exsang
you get all of it in EP as well
its a mute point
if you do gar gar rup, you're missing a garrote tick, and losing EP time on the garrote
its minimal obviously
but strictly worse
strange python
on second cds do u use gar > rup > gar again?
long portal
depends on your bleed timers
grizzled jay
gar gar ct is usually what you do
balmy condor
yeah I think its completely dependent on your bleed timers
long portal
any combination would be viable
strange python
do you guys use Azerithbeam in dungeons as Assa?
long portal
want the third global to be garrote, though
strange python
I guess second cd u want all bleeds for exsang?
since assa's aoe isnt THAT great tbh
long portal
Bote major in keys, and yes all bleeds for second exsang
lethal bobcat
question
strange python
or you focus on single target nuke
lethal bobcat
whats the openeer for TB?
tropic ocean
in opener y
lethal bobcat
toxic blade
lethal bobcat
is there anywhere in here where i can find an opener with toxic blade?
grizzled jay
sim with toxic blade
strange python
below the bleed guide
grizzled jay
and it gives you the TB opener
long portal
sim yourself with TB and look at the cast sequence
long portal
after garrote expires
long portal
G>something>G, yes
long portal
not unless its 2 or more targets
strange python
I'm only talking about ST atm š
long portal
Yeah, so basically garrote is first global to get the emp garrote up right away, then filler, then second empowered garrote to max its duration on your target
long portal
for second set of cds on onward it just depends on your current bleed timers
grizzled jay
yes
long portal
im not sure the difference between wasting another mut for 6 over 5 tbh
probably very small
balmy condor
always 6cp
quaint vortex
does anyone have an advanced sim they could share for M Ra-den? I'm running a severe/tendy build that sims higher on ST with master assassin over subterfuge, but I'm trying to determine if it would be worthwhile to swap to subterfuge for more prio damage on the adds
strange python
whats wrong with patchwerk
young echo
how do you guys deal with obsidian skin/vendetta CD on Mythic?
does feint reduce dmg?
strange python
dont pop vendetta on skin?
valid bear
use CoS
strange python
feint works with elusiveness but yeah idk i just chill a bit
and cloak + healthpot if u need to pop cds I guess
young echo
with our group if we arent using CDs we are struggling with mana
quaint vortex
whats wrong with patchwerk
@strange python as much as I love a good old fashioned patchwerk sim, our adds are living for an extended period of time (no mages to melt them) so I would like to try to accurately sim if I'll get more add damage by swapping talents
tyvm nairda
inner radish
What loa is best?
sand whale
team player, I would just tunnel the adds outside of your CDs
strange python
u playing zandalari troll?
inner radish
Yeah
quaint vortex
big parses are nice but actually killing the boss so I can get a mythic slappy boi is even better š
inner radish
Cool, that is the default one I think. Thanks Buck
vital haven
subterfuge with shrouded suff is really good if add damage is a concern
you can also go outlaw
sullen fossil
If you miss that much dmg going outlaw isn't that bad of an idea
vital haven
that what trill used way back when on raden world first
he went shrouded suff subterfuge
did it way before it was cool lol
wooden monolith
anyone have custom sim to see what food or potions i should be using?
strange python
someone linked it yesterday I think
vital haven
quaint vortex
it looks like outlaw is probably the right move for me for this fight based on the sims - thanks a lot guys
vital raptor
whats best for the exsang build running CLF or blood?
warm rover
best assa guide out there?
grizzled jay
My pants
grizzled jay
Not for you
woeful minnow
pins
warm rover
ty
vital raptor
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ggcdqhLLsRcKv1ywDsaH7q any improvements i can make?
dull crypt
tried BotE major?
vital raptor
yup ive tried it
vital raptor
wont be a while till my guild reaches cara might buy a mythic cara carry with 4 loot funnels
quartz relic
Hello, could you explain a little about the new rotation with expedient + exanginate?
vital raptor
idk much tbh this my first week of truly running this build
woeful minnow
first pin @quartz relic
dark token
sand whale
@vital raptor looks good at a glance, but in the future if you link a top gear sim it's easier for people to just rerun it for you
lime edge
lul
sand whale
coz I'm lazy
vital raptor
top gear sim or simc string?
glacial steppe
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sVwA8YZnMgjqZpe7GamLmV double dagger, racechange and +1 neck lvl next reset and i pass 110k poggers
vital raptor
Simc string
cobalt pelican
i think everyone is more or less going to level out at 109-110 unless they farm ap until they die
glacial steppe
hmm, didn raz sim like 114k or some shit
sand whale
@vital raptor https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5gHoovnrTyPYNQqev75ZBs can have a look at that if you want, and yeah thanks I got it I was just lazy to look at the raw input string
vital raptor
with 2 mythic cara daggers and mythic cara chest i only sim at 106k
sand whale
the difference is I sim symbiotic at 80% that's why it's lower
but like I said seems fine at a glance, your minor tweaking probably won't even make that much of a difference
vital raptor
well thxs anyways
strange python
@glacial steppe raz also has a 97 (or 98?) neck and the 475 pvp Vers trinket. Not many people are willing to grind the AP or grind out PvP to 2.4k. And can't really expect a 475 plumage for everyone
vital raptor
dam my neck is 92 but i do have a 475 plumage
glacial steppe
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bx2DJVbhHiY8sU9fK96A3s thats where i end up with 97 neck and 475 plumage tho
woeful minnow
97 neck is ilvl 527
glacial steppe
ye
woeful minnow
oh I'm stupid ignore me
errant delta
hay my sim says too keep 1 sever should i do it or go full exp?
vital raptor
also have a 475 galecallers but i dont know about having to stand still
errant delta
also when would you use gale in opener and rest of fight?
long portal
in the opener you can press it insta and it will be up when you hit exsang
glacial steppe
does exsang snaps the haste?
vital raptor
97 neck would increase my dps by 3.3k
errant delta
should i line up 2nd exsang with gale then wait the 15 secs?
long portal
I did the week I played it, but idk if thats the best
fast fog
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kzCTZDKNx8DEKbMEfBvW57
Anyone able to take a peak at this sim for me and see if I could make any improvements?
sand whale
think the line is in tc