not really
#assassination
drifting cloud
just weekly+assults+emissaries and the visions with cv you get from assaults
is like 7k a week
even slightly more iirc
arctic walrus
st 3 is in 8 days, can get a lot of arena games in that time if you're commited
vague kelp
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/w7TooMuMvPYSPpcUxG1uD2 am i using the right gear? what gear do i desperately need to replace?
strange python
What essence you guys run for raid?
west cove
using highest sim
delicate bone
@vague kelp you have like no corruption/the wrong corruption
Getting some expedient 3 from the vendor before it swaps on Friday will help you a lot
fallow otter
@vague kelp looks like you have a classic case of the equippedwhateverIgots, there is a better version of basically everything you have to be honest, but yes getting the expedients before they fall out of rotation would be the most urgent, then getting the other Azerite raid gear to what you have, and a vita, might be worth dying an ashvane if you have plenty of time also
west cove
what is pandemic timer for CT
vague kelp
So in getting the expedients is there certain gear I should be putting it on on or wait until I get better or best in slot gear? if so what gear(s) should I be focusing on to place the exp on?
fallow otter
What content are you clearing?
vague kelp
progressing in mythic ny'alotha
eager mountain
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aQ9oKhW6fnhSf2YTY94N9B
Hey guys, do you think this setup so far is good? From my pointy of view the only changes I need is the Mythic items (Dagger, Head, chest, Vita) I am still unlucky to get a Vita in heroic so far as well. Anything else maybe?
fallow otter
Mechagon ring set probably a great start
Then you can gem them and put exp on them
Offset mythic pieces for expedient after that, and then gem
That's probably what I would aim for first
errant delta
hay guys quick question about exsang and galecallers do i use gale on cd or save for evey 2nd exsang? and also same deal with vendeta/van windo?
eager mountain
@errant delta I read something about GCB on this channel, https://discordapp.com/channels/124169701881282560/228879086515126272/694299588944986122
Not sure if its still like that tho
pastel birch
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GV3JHhC27vftZqwQ#fight=4&type=damage-done can you guys take a look at raelds logs? wondering what we can do to optimize dps
sorry if this isnt usually posted here, my main class discord has a dedicated log review channel
stark matrix
Hye , sorry for asking nobb question , what are the best corruptions for assasination right now
for raids
tropic ocean
expedienttttttttttttt
patent topaz
@pastel birch looking at maut, low garrote uptime. 1 vanish in 6 minute fight. Few envenoms in tb window. 38/260 overcapped cps on mutilate. Low gear, no sockets, low corruption.
questionable vendetta
patent topaz
looking at skitra is pointless though
stark matrix
For simming should i use DSlice if i wanna try assasin for Tyranicle weeks?
shut garnet
the build doesnt change from tyr to fort
pastel birch
ty for helping grizz
patent topaz
its just a quick look
stark matrix
the build doesnt change from tyr to fort
@shut garnet I just changed to assasin , so i have no clue what is the build ๐ so go with Dslice?
shut garnet
roughly i guess its ok to get an idea
but remember itโs very inaccurate to what actually happens in a dungeon
stark matrix
innecurate ? more then for Outlaw ? cause its obviouse that i wont have the dps that it shows me there
pastel birch
when i do a top gear sim, everything that icy veins says is bis sims worse than other gear
should i trust the sim?
this is for my friend. he has a bunch of bis gear, but it sims worse than other stuff he has
should he go with the sim or go with the guide?
patent topaz
go with the sim
pastel birch
weird, alright ty
strange python
hi guys i am new here // ive got a question
i am playing the bleeding build
what do you think about this traits ? // i am thinking of changing something for gutripper for some additional damage
that has been the results
primal turret
I think you need more gear
strange python
I think u need higher ilvl gear
primal turret
In order to play that build
primal turret
Asuming "tempo" means haste you need higher ilvl and expedient 3 corruptions
primal turret
Do HC runs too since you get azerites with the good traita
strange python
cause the other items are not worthy
primal turret
This week you can buy more
strange python
i am scared of doing raids with randoms // since i dont know any guild i can raid with
shell atlas
whats the best helmet i can get besides mythic raden?
strange python
irontide and one more
max i can reach 92% haste when everything proccs
bro
u need gear
just gear
then i see Infexious with 170+ xD
west cove
dont mention that
pastel birch
condensed life force still best single target essence?
pastel birch
i dont trust sims anymore but ok
strange python
why?
pastel birch
im simming for a friend but sims have screwed me over a lot for fury
especially corruption sims, but i guess essence sims arent awful
strange python
how did they "screw you over"?
quartz depot
Also if my german is correct you have the same enchant on both weapons, which is bad
pastel birch
long story. ill just sim it
civic hatch
noticed the exang build sims higher with CLF for me, do i use it desynced after first use or try line with vendetta?
strange python
@quartz depot why ?
tropic ocean
@civic hatch use on cd
and then decide with fight duration if u pair it with last vendetta or not
quartz depot
Idk thats how the game works, you want 2 different weapon enchants
quartz depot
Most people have crit & haste
tropic ocean
worldly fable
What seems to be the general consensus on the amount expedient? 12-14? Asking for pure ST damage (mainly have in mind vision bosses/minibosses)
Or do you need to go lower expedient with honedmind/racingpulse
strange python
7 exp 3 1 exp 2
worldly fable
Or is it simply with 90sec fight duration
Expedient 23? holy jesus
Alright, thanks a lot
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Its very hard to make statements about stat trends in the current patch.
Please use a simulation to generate results for your personal gear situation.
shell atlas
when do we use vanish/ shadowmeld to reapply an empowered garrote?
tulip crow
With vendetta
crimson palm
meld on cd after vanish emp garrote falls off
tulip crow
If the trash is fortified and itโs 2+ minutes from a boss, vanish on trash for 6x garrote
crimson palm
@shut garnet SS amps up garrote from shadowmeld
shut garnet
yes
but if he was asking about raid bosses
you cannot shadowmeld stealth in a boss encounter
crimson palm
it works on raid bosses
crimson palm
you just dont trigger subt
your garrote is still amped by SS
only Subt is not triggered
strange python
Weird, dagger in the back is simming best for me over heart of darkness
drifting cloud
you dont have 25 corr
strange python
lmao thank you
I didn't even think about that
hmm
46 corruption actually
no way dagger is simming better then
arctic walrus
you're definitely leaving out a significant piece of information
strange python
link the sim?
easiest way
I don't have the mythic helmet with ss etc
I will dm
grizzled trail
ripppp put expediant and a socket on the wrong mecha ring
grizzled trail
really good at wasting my resources lol
i had 3 spells and behind in bags and didnt double check -_-
strange python
why did u even keep the 3 spells one xd
grizzled trail
i dont empty my bags ever tbh lol
balmy condor
People who donโt keep their bags clean are simps
shut garnet
any razqt sim(ps)
balmy condor
Weโre all raz simps in our hearts
dreamy mist
But technically u are still good with 3 spell ring... Ur rotation got more than 3 buttons that u press anyway on the 10sec recharge window and the haste ring is on a 15sec buff... Dont think u are in rly bad spot
grizzled trail
its roughly 15% less uptime it seems
dreamy mist
Eeeh
Cant u press 2 spells and maybe fit in smth useless just for the proc?
Like out of gcd
balmy condor
That sounds very clunky and not worth the effort tbh
Are we back to detection spamming
dreamy mist
Ye most probably
grizzled trail
ye i could play arouind it but screw that. will just farm another socket ๐
and waste more echoes lol
dreamy mist
Lol๐ ๐
balmy condor
And learn your lesson and clean your bags
grizzled trail
๐ฆ
balmy condor
:)
crimson palm
Did they change something about hivemind logs again
scarlet sequoia
not on allstars is it
balmy condor
What a mess
quasi pewter
absolute clown of an admin
sullen pagoda
soon it will be insult to clowns to call them clowns
balmy condor
I donโt get why they canโt just let damage be damage
Padding has always existed, throwing arbitrary weighting at it and hoping it works
sullen pagoda
as i said few weeks ago the way they are going someone is just going to take over the market 
just like no one cares about ur wowprog m+ score and just rio
balmy condor
Do they just not realize that people will figure out how to best cheese the weighting
Feels like they have 0 idea whatโs going on
sullen pagoda
idk some 
at warcraftlogs obviously thinks wow raiding is a single target training dummy
just remove all logs except shadhar while at it
balmy condor
But you have to move in that fight
Now remove all logs except shadhar when youโre standing completely still
fallen sandal
hello, quick question on raidbot in best gear what is "expected value" and "best drop" ?
strange python
best drop is well best drop
balmy condor
Expected value is the DPS you get on average from buying that
strange python
^^
balmy condor
If you have +200, +100, and 0 dps gain across 3 items
Your best drop is +200, your expected value is +100
fallen sandal
for eg
fallen sandal
ok thanks ๐
balmy condor
Np
storm perch
drone - it's the one who will deal a large amount of damage to raid after 20 sec cast?
atomic creek
Which corruptions would you guys recommend for Assassination in M+?
storm perch
Which corruptions would you guys recommend for Assassination in M+?
@atomic creek severe/strikethrough
atomic creek
Aight, thank you
crimson palm
raz my guildmate thanks u for the ez rating 
shrewd night
raz i plai ct in riad, thanks u for 95% parse
scarlet sequoia
stfu
sullen pagoda
patent topaz
paying the price
crimson palm
i was talking about an arena match but i like the way this developed 
scarlet sequoia
ah is ur guildmate matth
crimson palm
aye
scarlet sequoia
tell him np for all the pve questions ive answered for him
crimson palm
ill just link my 2 carapace daggers instead
scarlet sequoia
?
all of u are so funny memeing when u are out here being dogshit most of u
stop it or get good
please
crimson palm
rigid mango
steep plover
thorn crater
whats ur haste number preprocc everything everyone?
strange python
mine's like 64 I think
arctic walrus
@scarlet sequoia couldโve just @ ed me man
thorn crater
DS exsa sims for me like 5k dps higher with harlan over raden trinket and im only at 41
38%****
im confused af
1,5k dps dif harlan>vita
like, dont u need vita to work better? am i missing something other than me being a complete noob? ๐
crimson palm
vita's better when u get dem Exp IIIs
at bis corr at least for my char 475 harlan = 475 vita
thorn crater
what i mean is, im confused as to how DS exsa is so much better than vigor TB with so low haste
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3Q6dU7X3he223XAK2VXobC this is the report
scarlet sequoia
@arctic walrus theyre so annoying bro
willow pulsar
There is no crit cap, follow what sims say
topaz gust
Hey guys. I've only recently started playing rogue (assa) and I am kinda confused about the stat priority. I know that I gotta stack them beautiful expedients, which means that every item of mine should have at least some degree of haste, but what about the other stats?
steep obsidian
verse drops off a little bit but crit and mastery still good
it takes a LOT of gear before that build is good though
or better anyway
as always you an sim
icy oasis
Hey, at what point of haste I can start playing CT? It count as another bleed, right? So more energy?
My sims still shows that CT is 1k behind but I gain like 10% haste and still same
icy oasis
Ok, thanks
odd heath
For me, CT started simming equal PB at 52%ish haste
icy oasis
Patchwerk sims, right?
odd heath
yep
icy oasis
Ok so i can trust sims normally, I though it might not work good with this build or something. Thanks for info!
tropic ocean
yeah trust
grizzled jay
CT is going to be useful on pretty much every fight this tier aside aside from Skitra.
tropic ocean
we have really good ppl working at rogue apl for sim
but its useful in skitra too
u can multidot close spawns for pad
grizzled jay
Well I mean sub-52% haste
tropic ocean
๐
grizzled jay
Oh for Pyche pad yeah lol
grizzled jay
i thought clone damage was excluded on WCL
tropic ocean
not sure
strange python
Even If you don't wanna pad on Skitra, another dot is fine to keep up damage when he goes into hiding for a bit
icy oasis
It is excluded
grizzled jay
its just boss dam and pyche dam
grizzled jay
but yeah CT is fine to take on 10/12 fights, where Skitra/Xanesh are the only ones where you do need some amount of Haste.
strange python
Since when? If they excluded add damage then they might as well add it Back to Allstars
icy oasis
Maut?
grizzled jay
Most people cleave adds during intermission
tropic ocean
maut/shadhar yeah
grizzled jay
Oh Shad yeah, forgot about that xd
icy oasis
Those ads on Xan dies to fast :D
tropic ocean
yeah fucking warlocks
icy oasis
Yep
grizzled jay
Combust machine go brrr
icy oasis
Padders...
tropic ocean
if wcl continues like that soon we will just dps boss and ignore all adds
and wipe cuz meh logs
grizzled jay
It makes 0 sense why WCL filters cause there's already a "Damage Dealt to Boss" filter
so you can already filter out pad
tropic ocean
I can understand to some extend due to massive padding
icy oasis
Yea the logic behind wcl must be flawless to make it useful
tropic ocean
but it just gets ridiculous at this point
grizzled jay
Like the Hivemind change was so stupid. The only way to parse on that fight is to not do your job and actively ignore adds.
How is that better than allowing AoE add pad
icy oasis
Padding happens only coz of corruptions and the insane lvl of everything we getting to
tropic ocean
ignore everything else
but pretty similar to carapace now
@icy oasis nah apdding happens always
grizzled jay
And N'Zoth. You only parse if you don't go down
tropic ocean
it just wasnt as bad this tier
grizzled jay
Cause that's how parsing should work. Only parse when you aren't doing mechanics.
pure pepega
tropic ocean
in orgozoa e.g. ppl purposely killed adds slow for pad
but with how bosses are designed this tier its just pad fiesta
blood into antigens and blast
tribal obsidian
Imo they should always design a couple of patchwerk/ brurallus style fights for parsing
sullen pagoda
its ok boys 7 more bosses to be removed and warcraft logs will reflect true player skill on shadhar
4 bosses removed and 2 "weighted damage"
we can go further
strange python
"I removed Shadhar from Allstar Rankings because people getting super quick Killtimes due to 19 DPS stacking skewed the results for everyone else""
Done
sullen pagoda
you are memeing but i wouldnt be surprised
or something in sense of "every log with infinite stars doing more than 15% of your damage is made invalid"
odd heath
or something in sense of "every log with infinite stars doing more than 15% of your damage is made invalid"
@sullen pagoda So all DH logs
sullen pagoda
true
strange python
Oh and remove Nzoth due to folly padding on psychus
i think it's stupid for wcl to even change anything
grizzled jay
of course it's stupid. it's a website dev thinking they have some obligation to the community or something and using that power.
strange python
Psychus Bonus damage removal is well justified IMO and should've happened earlier.
Skitra All Stars removal was also fine because playing the Fight correctly leads to vaaaaaaastly less damage I guess. Couldve just removed all Clone damage though and have it be in Allstars still
quasi pewter
skitra was removed because the logs dont work
sullen pagoda
dont they actually do work now tho?
strange python
Ah right, you have to log yourself
quasi pewter
no they dont
strange python
it's first and foremost a site to log fights, idk why they even have rankings, much less why they define their own rules for them
sullen pagoda
you can separate skitra from the adds from what ive seen if u mean that
quasi pewter
you have to log yourself or it doesnt work
and you cant expect every single raid member to log
quasi pewter
its a very good reason
better than removing hivemind
or doing weird shit on carapace
only valid change was removing psychus bonus damage
everything else
sullen pagoda
but like for other bosses idk
quasi pewter
stupid
sullen pagoda
this "weighted damage" is so dumb shit its insane
like
its so subjective
but hey power tripping probably thinking they are 100% in right
tropic ocean
i can only see psychus and skitra okay, maybe hivemind/cara to some extend cuz ppl just pad like crazy rather than skipping transition phases
but now they wanna remove vexiona too
soon raden adds will be removed as well
quasi pewter
hivemind and carapace shouldve stayed in
without changes
if you remove those 2
you will remove vexiona
and xanesh
etc
tropic ocean
i dont think they needed to be removed either but I can see why they removed it, is what I mean
I personally rather kill boss quick than load echoings with blood into antigens
๐
it just takes so much overhand
chinese are all rmt
adds dont count
we will have nice patchwerk logs
sullen pagoda
damage removal should really be only for something that can be literally heavily exploited
not "oh fight has adds REMOVED FROM ALL STARS"
tropic ocean
I mean even all stars removal is fine
but now logs are so scuffed
instead of padding
just tunnel boss
use cds on boss only
its like the opposite thing, but same
๐
oh ure a class with middle field st and good cleave, haha, bad for u fker
XD
odd heath
I got my second yesterday also
quasi pewter
plain thistle
I got my first dagger after 10 kills, still waiting on my second one tho 
odd heath
now gotta socket and add a juicy exp3 to it
lethal heart
i got one from the very 1st kill
this is when i got 1st one
rofl
been a while
till my 2nd
thorn crater
dare i ask what this allstars is?
novel drum
i feel like i should ignore raidbots suggestion to keep running 1 honed mind III and run another exp III instead ๐ค
strange python
how much is the difference
fathom swift
you havent gotten a 2nd dagger in 4 months?
plain thistle
well, 1 honed mind rank 3 is better than 1 expedient rank 3
you cant compare 35 corruption with 20
lethal heart
i skipped a raid or two
but yea
took me 15 kills/15 bonus rolls to get 2 daggers
xd
fathom swift
damn thats unlucky
I only have 1 raden wep in about the same time but I've traded some to other people/buyers
but just never looting a 2nd is way less likely
tropic ocean
@fathom swift 18 coins for 2x raden weapon
fathom swift
same
odd heath
I got 2x slappers in 4 kills I think. But 2 cara daggers took me 10
fathom swift
have bonus rolled 2 socketed vitas in the same period ๐
tropic ocean
will see if I can coin something on nzoth next id
stopped coining cara now only nzoth so
will see
lethal heart
i dont need single item anymore
gonna coin raden
for leech/avoidance i guess
idk
lethal heart
thats not gonna happen
lone junco
I have backup IT for hpal. incase I get a better haste piece. but its nice being "done"
tropic ocean
I was like "NOONONON NOOOOOOO"
and when it was going to be time di was "YESYESYES"
๐
tropic ocean
lone junco
I put 1 piece on druid, and got 17% for like 13c
tropic ocean
i've seen some players run it recently in very high keys
but as sin is not really running haste amps in m+ not sure its worth
for arms or destro lock maybe
lethal heart
nah no point running avoidance as rogue
i mean
avoidance on gaer is cool
but not avoidance corruption
lone junco
once we have 150? c there will be limited slots I guess
marble hemlock
@lethal heart 
lethal heart
strange python
true i sug
lone junco
yeah. my moonkin hits 196% on the regular, so i get that
tropic ocean
but yeah potentially on classes that use haste amps
but then again u dont really need it unless u run super high keys
๐
marble hemlock
....
lethal heart
your normal weekly chest
lethal heart
na didnt get dice
marble hemlock
i can sit on my golden throne of cannonball runners and mydas talismans
marble hemlock
while you dress yourself in feathers
lethal heart
ye the double ring is absurd
plumage is w/e
coz you can get it from pvp
if you try
hard enough
lone junco
you raid sin, keys outlaw?
lethal heart
ye i play outlaw sometimes in raid
on some bosses here or there
but last 2 reclears i played havoc
distant lava
lone junco
i think our rogues are getting tired of me fixing their rotations. one got super mad when I said exang snapshots. and 3 people were like "snap shotting doesnt exist"
So he spent the next 15 mins doing log review to prove me wrong.
distant lava
lone junco
one guy was only using env/rupture on 5cp. so there were so many mut on 4
but he still refuses to vanish for dps.
quasi pewter
lone junco
but ya subterfuge homey
distant lava
no deeper
lone junco
please
distant lava
lone junco
baby haste.
marble hemlock
someone wanna grind echoes for me so i can try full expedient m+ build?
distant lava
lone junco
with all these memes floating around, im suprised we havent seen a prophet make VR or Blindside work
wary ice
is @marble hemlock streaming today? I need to watch what im doing wrong :^(
marble hemlock
nope
wary ice
T-T
marble hemlock
gonna chill until dota2 gauntlet
wary ice
respectable
marble hemlock
just chatting with a friend
and making fun of sebek for being an overgeared ๐ once more
distant lava
that's what the other rogue in my guild has
I'm lucky he doesn't have the cara dagger for now 
lethal heart
who cares even
distant lava
imagine running 24 corr and wondering why you have less haste
distant lava
shrewd night
Dj is extra laff, he doesn't even have weapons
lethal heart
shrewd night
quartz depot
just play font coral, very lovely trinkets
wary ice
It sure feels that way @distant lava :^(
lethal heart
pre vendor
distant lava
only expedient 2
wary ice
I cant for the life of me find an extra 8k to comfortably fall in the 80+k dps overall range
distant lava
wary ice
especially on the non-motherlode dungeons
lethal heart
and there is no way i play above 60
lethal heart
and i choose to not play above 40 even
in raid
i just cba
dont wanna deal with that
im just spoiled with outlaw having perma sprint and vanish all the time
so i cba dealing with it as assa because protip you cant
xd
lone junco
does outlaw use 1 IT?
shrewd night
Nah
distant lava
@shrewd night this week I get one
lone junco
ive got 230 on pally. and it makes my ret a bit weird.
distant lava
this is the week
obsidian fjord
does anyone know how many expidient corruptions i should be running. i got two rank 3's and sitting at 36.5% haste and in sims it says haste is now lowest prio stat. should i just stop there and get some crit instead?
lethal heart
ye when i simmed bis setup for me was like 2 severes r3 and rest expedient
i think
was a while ago tho
shrewd night
Depends on gear though. If your gear is ass or ass stats it might to not shift to expedients before later on
Also. Stop using stat weight sims.
obsidian fjord
my gear is mostly haste-crit with a bit of haste-vers/haste-crit. i'm looking for it being good in the long run. how do i figure it out without siming stat weights?
lethal heart
top gear
shrewd night
Top gear will help in all your gearing needs.
red plaza
obsidian fjord
ah okey so i just have to run a lot of sims with different gear setups ?
shrewd night
If you dont have premium that's unfortunately what you have to do
obsidian fjord
how much easier/quicker do you think it gets with premium?
lone junco
I have it, and dont play a dps. rip
there is no line. and you can do a 2 corruptions and a blank, on about 5 slots at a time, if you are also doing like 4 trinkets.
wary ice
get premium because its supports wow better than ur subscription does
raidbots is a huge boon to the entire community
feral flare
@lethal heart - What is cba?
obsidian fjord
ah nice thanks
astral leaf
@feral flare canโt be assed
warm fulcrum
Can't be asked...but assed sounds better
woeful minnow
no it's definitely assed
warm fulcrum
distant lava
It's can't be arsed
white wyvern
^^
lean marten
its Can't Be Assa
wary ice
๐ข
feral flare
"can't be asked" to go above 40 Cor? I tried 60 last night for the first time. It didn't seem too bad. I just need a better way to identify and catch the TFB. Because if that hits you you're fucked. I feel like it's the only way I can begin to complete in raid.
compete*
grizzled jay
Yeah you need like 55~ corruption to get a half-way decent parse nowadays
worldly iron
no, it's still "can't be arsed" like DJ said
strange python
Meh
warm fulcrum
Just tell healers to heal harder and just tank tfb
strange python
I got a 99 parse for my ilvl with 48 corruption last night
Definitely not going any higher than 48 though
BUT after looking at my logs, I think I've finally seen the anti-IS light. Could someone recommend what corruptions I should replace IS3 with?
woeful minnow
if you're gonna go above 39 you might as well go all the way to 59
strange python
i have one exp3 in my bags right now, but would it be good to throw in TD?
woeful minnow
and @feral flare get a weakaura for TFB
strange python
I don't trust my healers to keep me up if i go higher lol
spark olive
48 and 59 are basically the same, just TFB moves little faster
strange python
Doesn't it do more damage? And the circle shit is bigger/more damaging?
I've gotten blasted by two of the TFB and it isn't fun
spark olive
i mean yeah circle little bigger but i dont believe TFB hits harder
Honestly ill eat a handful and vial after and save the cloak if blind is down and i knw it'll kill me
strange python
That's what I've been doing for the most part
worldly iron
are you progressing?
strange python
But yeah, any corruption recommendations? I'm okay with dropping IS3 at this point so that frees up a ton of corruption
Yeah
3/12 M
novel drum
7 exp and haste is still edging out best secondary for me lmfao
strange python
I have 2 exp3 and 1 exp1 on my gear currently, with a exp3 in my bags and i can toss IS3 to free up 75 corrupt
Idk if I should just go full exp3 or what
novel drum
simming is always the best answer, but any secondary corruptions will always be more versatile than infinite stars tbh
cunning blaze
With exsang build, should i use condensed life force (sims highest) on Nzoth progress instead of Bote?
crimson palm
for maximizing boss dmg yeah
lean marten
i think ppl use breath on Nzoth for tentys
novel drum
find out what psychus youre in, and where your guild is pumping dps in final phase and map out where your personal cds can go
cunning blaze
aight
strange python
The problem with simming is that IS is always showing higher for me
And i know that's really not the case in real life
novel drum
yeah its going to perform like your sim very rarely
and thats even on actual ST fights like wrathion/shad'har
strange python
Yeah after looking at my logs from last night IS is really only great on a handful of fights
wary ice
I still get into fights w. guildies about IS
novel drum
im not good at simming either, i was lucky and was able to instantly transition to the full expedient build.
i just use gear compare to replace my current pieces with an imaginary piece with a corruption on it
but thats only viable when altering a build, not entirely different builds
strange python
Ahh i havent tried gear compare much yet
I'm also kind of getting to the point where I think going with the exsang build might be better
Honestly never ran it though, so I don't even know the rotation
stuck island
I went from DD build to exang build and it feels more reliable, with DD i have to use some Twisted to get my dps up, with exang build i can rely on myhaste and play attention to the rotation, dmg will come up if u d ito right
novel drum
ive been playing the toxic blade build for like 2 full tiers so i gotta say going back to exsang build with all this crazyness is so much more fun
fallow estuary
Is there common knowledge which 3rd traits are considerd best for M+ Sins?
Like unstable > elemental whirl > heed my call or smth
strange python
is there a way to sim which combination of your essences would be best?
Hmm, okay well let me sim some exsangs and see how it is.
novel drum
but secondary are so simliar simming is your best chance
@strange python when you put your string in, it will show what azerite pieces you have and you can click the traits that arent already in place and it will sim those choices
strange python
but won't i have to try like dozens of different combinations to know one is best that way
strange python
okay thanks
novel drum
sim your primary traits first, then secondaries. i doubt secondaries will ever change what primaries you choose
novel drum
ooooooooooooooh im so dumb
theyre all at the bottom, the left column is your major and the right column is your minors. it will find the best combo of all 4
strange python
this is what i got rn but im not sure about the strenght levels at different ranks
so it will just give me the best combination?
thank god i don't have to change each individual essence and sim it
novel drum
yep! its awesome. it will choose the best combo with all choices in mind
novel drum
not nearly as bad as it was i thought?
strange python
It's not too bad
15 days max
i just started caring about essences yesterday
so im going to have a rough time ๐ฆ
warm fulcrum
Welcome to battle for timegates
warm fulcrum
Grinding r3 breath already makes me want to bleach my eyes. 1.2k away
wary ice
"rep grinds are fun"- some intj at blizz HQ
rapid flame
i have seen InFeXiOuS recommend 34.49582% crit, but i only have 34.465837% crit.. Feelsbadman my rogue is unplayable
wary ice
reroll dh :^(
warm fulcrum
Nah BM hunter
rapid flame
i legit rolled off my dh back to rogue, getting arthritis playing dh
steep obsidian
man pre pull cltf xsang is terrible can you even pull off that opener in the pal with any latency
ancient cosmos
what are the ST essences ?
steep obsidian
different combs can work
novel drum
simming/ravenholdt are your best bets
rapid flame
novel drum
simming will give you an exact answer, ravenholdt will give you a roguh guide for a build you want to play
ancient cosmos
is BotE major and for minors iris, lucid . breath of the dying good
novel drum
sounds pretty typical for raiding yeah
dull crypt
Hey, I just joined this disc because it was long overdue and I've been looking at certain rogue builds to be as useful as possible in our casual mythic guild
Also a bit scared I'll be memed to death if I mention the words raz, infexious or haste build though
Was wondering if any experts are bored and could lend a hand
steep obsidian
read the pins and ask some specific questions and you won't get memed
the answer to most stuff is sim it though ๐
the haste build needs a lot of gear and vendor corruption before it gets overpowered compared to other builds
dull crypt
On it, thank you
lone junco
@dull crypt if expedient 3 is still available I would buy them. dont need to stick to gear until you have your stuff together, but its a long time until they come back around.
sharp bear
isnt like 2 or 3 weeks ?
crimson palm
1 month
dull crypt
Yeah I figured I didn't wanna wait another 4 weeks so I went a little ham on the expedient III, the only question I have is whether my character has enough mastery to pull off this build
I should probably get better at simming and just figure it out myself
dull crypt
And honed mind isn't really a thing until we're corruption capped?
vital wedge
so if my gear isnt the best right now .. still exp3>honed mind3 ... right now hm sims better but idk with better gear
dull crypt
Or is that a meme
vital haven
honed mind might not even be the one you go for
sharp bear
im pretty sure gushing on mythic cara boots is bis
fickle jolt
I agree with Haste stacking. My dps was starting to fall off as 8.3 was settling in and I was getting hardly any expedient so I started stack haste. No issues anymore now with the vendor
vital haven
gushing wound is good
would be surprised if its bis over expedient
even on 485 pieces
edgy cosmos
whats with the sudden swap from DD&NP to SS in raids looked at logs basically one day apart and now everyones using SS
sharp bear
exp3 in corruption shop
vital haven
exang build became popular
edgy cosmos
ight then that came outa nowhere
dull crypt
Do you recommend people that aren't used to CT are better off using poison bomb for the haste build?
novel drum
i mean thats your only option
dull crypt
I'm at 65 atm, got a fairly decent set for the build I think
lone junco
CT over PB is just a small gain if i recall. and it is active.
until you get comfortable with the SS and exang, i wouldnt introduce another thing to worry about
dull crypt
maybe something to look into when comfortable yeah
novel drum
so raidbots is telling me to take the one agi gem over another haste gem ๐ค
lean marten
did u check the box to force it to
novel drum
well it says its a 80 dps increase lol
lone junco
you might not have the BoTE, but the opener is probably the most important part of that build.
ancient cosmos
is heed my call any good ?
lone junco
when you see peaks like this.
you know, that the middle is maintenance, the opener and vendetta vanish is where the damage comes from
lean marten
https://i.imgur.com/e7vTlmS.png just make sure that's unchecked so it doesn't force one
lone junco
@light jacinth nice log btw. gotta give credit for the snips
novel drum
high ilvl so i have no clue how agi gem beats out another haste gem with 7 exp III
dull crypt
Noobe that post earlier was the single target opener without CT right?
novel drum
yes
dull crypt
Thanks a lot for the help!
sweet rampart
What time exactly does the corruption vendor change over tomorrow?
white wyvern
11 PM EST
lone junco
a few tid bits. @dull crypt
If your mage or shaman is slow on lust, dont exang before it. (+/- a few seconds) if they delay to phase 2 or something then just let it rip.
dont fuck up your SS garotes by using another out side of subterfuge. you get 3 seconds after breaking stealth and vanish.
Let the very last garrote tick and drop off the exang before you vanish gg. its a bit bigger than the others, and you dont want to refresh and lose it.
Exang is very good spec because after about the 18sec mark, you can run around and do mechanics without losing a ton of damage.
ebon heath
How does IS sim works, im stacking expedient3 simming my character but i cant get past 80k dps at patchwerk, how can 1 IS 3 beat 5 expedient?
lone junco
you might want a good weakaura kit to show the exang running if youre new.
@ebon heath when you sim with stars, check the html. you may see a very wide low/high performace
that yields a good average.
dull crypt
Hmm we always lust about a second after pull so the first exsang being +-6 seconds in should be fine. Just trying on a dummy now and it already feels much more fun than the usual DD spec/rotation
Just SS'd your opener and this tagged message, appreciate it
lone junco
DD is long sustained Mutilate uptime damage.
SS is HARD open and a limp middle.
just remember that youre super power also includes vanish G G G on 3 adds at once if works out that way. Like Hive mind, you can open with a G tab GG and really pump the two bosses
then when you vanish at 18s, do that again, but probably flip the bosses.
tropic ocean
I usually hold vanish for ravager
tropic ocean
Think 3 garrotes are worth the little delay
lone junco
I was thinking back to the 3 boss council fights in legion. was a good time for 3x uptimes.
tropic ocean
For me the biggest + for 3 ss exsang is the value doesnt drop when u lose uptime
Like with dd build
novel drum
im surprised a NP isnt used in this expedient build for the fourth dot to giga charge
i gues it doesnt interact with exsang though
lone junco
there were some memes with vision major and NP
lean marten
anytime i Fan with DD i feel 
tropic ocean
Well for hpal its giga anyway
icy oasis
Guys, how should I change my WA to know if Garrote or Rupture is empowered?
novel drum
just count in your head
icy oasis
...
novel drum
i wish i was good enough at WA's to help as id like that as well
i dont think ive done it on raid fights but i know ive thrown away an empowered garrote from time to time
lone junco
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
tropic ocean
@icy oasis wdym
lone junco
I use Mizerok kit
tropic ocean
Rupture is never empowered unless exsanged
icy oasis
Thanks
lone junco
i rip out the center bar with CPS and health and shit
icy oasis
I just need to change mines coz I like the layout
lone junco
gl
icy oasis
No I mean subterfuge and exsanguinate
tropic ocean
Rupture is never empowered by sub
void pecan
I use luxthos
tropic ocean
And for exsang u can see it by the exsang cd
lone junco
i just get a giant boner as exang is ticking, so i dont need anything to track that
strange python
lol
icy oasis
Ok I wanted to be mean but... if I can do it with a tool and just check color or something why would I "strugle" with checking exang cd?
tropic ocean
i dunno if u can do it with a color
tropic ocean
Since u let them tick out having 0 issues to track exsanged ones
strange python
Luxthos has green number's for empowered stuff
icy oasis
I'll and I already said thanks for it but some debate started I dunno
novel drum
what uptime should i sim for formless void? i wanna use it on more fights besdies drest
idk if its worth for me though
sand whale
you can probably set it up to do that but if you just have no idea how to set up WAs could be hard
grizzled jay
@novel drum Well is anyone in your raid using low CD Majors? You should sim based on your knowledge of what your raid is using, rather than simply guessing.
analog phoenix
novel drum
found a raider of mine and she keeps above 90% pretty well on every boss. i guess its time to say goodbye to lucid dreams D:
dull crypt
how different does the exsang opener feel with bloodlust? is it worth practising rotation on dummy without it or should we drum for pace feel
novel drum
it feels pretty much the same, youre just obviously going to have alot more dmg
dull crypt
Great, thanks, think I've got opener down then
so you just want to do that every 2 minutes and keep bleeds up with high timer exsang in between?
strange python
I think I'm going to try exsang build tonight. Should be fun lol
I have zero mythic gear woo
sacred harbor
Hey guys idk is this right section to ask but what are good/the best minors with Assasination?
grizzled jay
@dull crypt You want to delay Exsang if you need to line it up with a Vanish window iirc
dull crypt
yeah I figured but since exsang is on 45 secs I can use one and then delay the second until vanish?
sacred harbor
ok @strange python is there like order what should i get 1st 2nd and 3rd?
strange python
as in you dont have any of them?
sacred harbor
yes
sand whale
you def don't want to delay the second one until vanish lol
depending on the fight you can line up the 4th with 2nd vendetta it means delaying vend til exang is back up
woeful minnow
you delay VENDETTA for vanish not exsang
dull crypt
I mean delay the third one in that case, since you line up the first one and the second one is back up well over a minute before vanish is back
lone junco
exang is 45s.
so yeah, we vendetta exang around 0:08
then vanish gg around 0:18
So then we need another exang for the one for the 2:18 vendetta vanish gg trinket exang.
some times people just exang on cd and then push back the vendetta vanish for the 4th exang.
This is ok, if you know you will not get a 3rd vanish.
If the fight is long it gets wonky
sacred harbor
well ill get rank3 Iris on Wed, but should i get Lucid or rank 3 next?
long cipher
Sorry for interrupting, but I'm looking at logs and my question is when is it the best time to use BotE in the opener with toxic blade?
sacred harbor
rank 3 breath*
lone junco
bote is a short buff, are you running MA or subterfuge
long cipher
subterfuge
sand whale
ya and even on some fights wrathion for ex you'll see some not so textbook usage, very dependant on fight but it's usually pretty safe to just line everything up with 4th exang
dull crypt
But since those cds arent back until 2:00+ it's fine to use the second exsang between 00:53-01:15 right?
lone junco
def want to use it. it feeds you energy in the slow times.
phasing fights are nice/horrible cause it lets eveyrhing sync back up for a nice alignment.
remember the exang guide is out there
tropic ocean
I just exsang on cd
dull crypt
Also means I can put myself in the xanesh ball group when that alignment isn't up which is nice
tropic ocean
U get 20s of buffed garrote into vendetta anyway so
Not tragic
To not have exsang
lone junco
yeah. so thats the thing about exang. id doesnt actually increase the damage of SS Garrotes.
but it does let it overlap with the Short stuff like trinkets, bote etc.
tropic ocean
It will give more rupture dmg during vendetta but
Idk
Think the gain if there is any is too much overthinking
dull crypt
All it mainly does is just give you energy ticks twice as fast right
tropic ocean
Y
But x2 ticks buffed by vendetta for dots with longer duration than vendetta
Is dps inc
lone junco
vendetta 20s. on a vanish gg (23s?)
so cutting it is nice.
but taking 23s and cutting it to 11 and overlapping with some 6 to 10s trinkets/bote is where the multipliers stack
is what happend in legion with BOTA. +100% bleed damage 10s lined up nicely with a vanish NS rupture. cause that was too long to fit . add a trinket and it pumped.
same thing is happening here
grizzled jay
Hm, Stratagem is now a ST dps increase for me finally. Guess it's cause of the 6CP Rupture Exsangs. The only change would be to always 6CP Rupture in the Exsang window, right?
lone junco
just swapping the big rupture with the big garrote
@grizzled jay DS becomes a win, when you are capping E too much for vigor.
dull crypt
Also plume is bis over coral because 80% of your damage is in those small windows every 2 minutes right? So coral becomes pretty mediocre unless there's a super important execute phase?
lone junco
check your resources tab of your logs when running vigor and youre probably topped off
grizzled jay
But playstyle wise the only difference is you always Rupture with 6CP before an Exsang, right? Otherwise it's the same to Env/CT at 5 or 6
lone junco
it still happens to people running DS in the opener. but just less waste, and the bonus to env and ct and rupture is nice.
scarlet sequoia
@dull crypt why are u scared of getting memed if u mention my name
dull crypt
because I don't want to be seen as a flavor of the month rogue that knows fuck all about the spec ๐ญ
even though I am atm
scarlet sequoia
how are u being a flavor of the month rogue for playing whats best
grizzled jay
Rogue is about as least fotm as you can get
lone junco
its all good. its a fun build.
grizzled jay
At least we aren't Feral/WW but we're still Rogue
strange python
I can't tell if I should be switching to DS yet. Can I post a log for someone to check? I'm capping on some fights, not capping on others
sand whale
fire mages and destro locks are that way -->
lone junco
its not fotm if youve been good for 5 years straight
dull crypt
More in the sense of joining this disc to ask questions about it because I saw a video, feelsbad not being on top of it more
grizzled jay
it's not fotm when your class's top dps parses are like 20% lower than the actual 'fotm' classes lol
lone junco
one of the 3 specs is going to be good at ST, Keys, Pvp. I liked it.
grizzled jay
Sub in SL going to be top dog, book it.
grizzled jay
But to be honest, Sepsis Assassination with Subterfuge looks really strong too
sand whale
oh yeah forgot about them
grizzled jay
bm hunter is beyond fotm. bm hunter is admitting defeat.
lone junco
but BM has been fine for a long time. just got great recently
main forge
I seen BM hunters do great with having minimal gear.
grizzled jay
without insane Azerite Traits that only give Secondaries
grizzled jay
To be fair, the first two tiers of BfA were like a completely different game to now
Uldir especially lol
sand whale
I garroted all the things back then I'm doing it now again
tropic ocean
@vital haven have u not downed stormwall?
vital haven
og you mean frost mage lol
ye i guess on that fight
god it was like an etnirely different game back then
dont be afraid to ask questions @dull crypt worst thing that can happen is someone reacts with sim it or check the pins
dull crypt
I usually tend to figure things out on my own but the build is so out of my comfort zone (which makes sense I guess) that I didnt know where to begin really
was more afraid 100 rogues come in here and ask the same questions, didn't want to be #101
Just lucky enough that I've got the pieces in my bags to make the build work so I can't ignore it ๐
sand whale
stick around you'll see the same questions lol most of them covered but eh, esp the question about CT right now
grizzled jay
@vital haven Back when Resto Druids and Mistweavers were meta lol
sand whale
there's also the tc channels that talk a bit more about things that's more easy to read about than in here
woeful minnow
the CT openers should be in the pins tbh, that's like the most asked question right now
grizzled jay
Oh yeah I did have one question:
The APL is using CLF in the opener after Stealth, but CLF removes stealth. Why does it do that and should I actually be using CLF before the opener or during the Trinket/Vendetta window
lone junco
i honestly dont know. Havent seen it in a ST log yet.
CLF can be cast before you run in at like /pull 2s? right
cast stealth and then go
grizzled jay
Yeah but the APL isn't doing that, is why I was confused
The APL uses Pot-Stealth-CLF in that order.
grizzled jay
Well the order in which it uses CLF would dictate how long the guardian lasts, no?
lone junco
our dps tag on 1.5 or 3 or 0 or 1 so I would never do it.
drifting light
But to be honest, Sepsis Assassination with Subterfuge looks really strong too
@grizzled jay iโm rly digging sepsis concept. Hopefully it will not be bugged af for soloing/lvling, but making stealth a more important part of rogue dps is cool
vital haven
the logic is to get the buff faster
grizzled jay
The only bug rn is that if the last tick of Sepsis would kill a mob, it still resets because the Vanish happens "before" the damage tick.
vital haven
from what i recall that is the reason the apl pre uses clf
sand whale
dun think I have perfect gear for it @lone junco but here https://i.imgur.com/audCOBS.png
1% for me
grizzled jay
Okay so the APL is using CLF to break stealth instead of Garrote?
lone junco
not nothing.
grizzled jay
And then you Garrote-Rup-Garrote?
lone junco
probable requires DS to beat pb.
vital haven
then stealth
grizzled jay
But the APL isn't doing that
It's using Stealth then using CLF.
Which would break Stealth
lone junco
this is a CLF log.
grizzled jay
I mean I get using CLF then Stealth, that's not the problem
grizzled jay
But my concern is, does the APL doing Stealth-CLF mean that CLF lasts 1s longer than CLF-Stealth in an opener
And that would make the sim inaccurate.
grizzled jay
It's just an inquiry, I am not hinging anything on it lol
lone junco
that is plenty of time for your vendetta to finish
grizzled jay
But at the same time, we want the APL to be as accurate as possible
vital haven
realistically it doesnt matter that much
lone junco
the goal is to have haste stacked as you hit exang. and then it snapshots for the duration
then the vanish gg will get wimpy at the end
+/- the 2 sec isnt probably a big deal.
grizzled jay
I'm not saying it's a big deal, just that the APL should strive to be as accurate as possible is all ๐คท
lone junco
a lot of time. that level of micro is insignifcant to the 5min sim.
sinful island
Should we or should we not use VoP minor? I see a lot of rogues using it on logs, but the guide says no (for bleed build)
lone junco
what happens to the alignment of vanish when you push vendetta around?
Add in an IT and it gets all sideways.
vital haven
vop minor is only good on wrathion
sinful island
yeee it seems I was. Forgot to check the talents on the other bosses, sorry.
vital haven
it used to be sort of good on nzoth