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#assassination
void pecan
crimson palm
But a youtuber gave you that title
scarlet sequoia
no not me
arctic walrus
think its hilarious u kids talking shit about Tisu. u wouldnt say this shit to him at lan, hes jacked. not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes. yall are pathetic lol.
upper mortar
Yes
scarlet sequoia
im personally running 31.13%
tropic ocean
nothing
void pecan
You break the game.
tropic ocean
you will waste your stats
arctic walrus
@scarlet sequoia did you reforge away from hit cap to favor more haste in your build
fleet whale
what's the haste breakpoint for 1 second bleed ticks?
crimson palm
Someone should make a FAQ out of this discussion and pin it
void pecan
then put it in a video
warm parcel
dude I came up with 71 
void pecan
#failedguidewriter btw
crimson palm
thats why u lost #1
warm parcel
real zoomer hours here
fleet whale
is leach corruption good?
scarlet sequoia
ye
fleet whale
does that mean leaching poison is meta?
ember timber
SO do we want haste+crit on all our gear with expedient?
Or what's the deal with sin
void pecan
No more, no less
scarlet sequoia
no
ember timber
I meant he pin says stack expedient so I assume haste and then I imagine crit is the best other stat?
rancid bobcat
If you have to you can take leeching poison to make it to 15%
crimson palm
best stat is avoidance
main adder
Does anyone have a solid rotation for the expedient / elab / sub / exs build with CFL ? with Humming black Dragonscale? I feel like this new set up really changed my rotation all around...
void pecan
Look at the sim sample sequence @main adder
crimson palm
main adder
Look at the sim sample sequence @main adder
@void pecan Ah ha! Thank you
that on raidbots?
strange python
when you do a quick sim on raidbots you can scroll down on the page to find it
main adder
very cool thank you
strange python
it takes 1 iteration and shows you how it did things
main adder
very cool
inner zephyr
can someone help me out with sims
scarlet sequoia
@gusty kestrel
inner zephyr
im willing to buy curruptions but dont know how i will sim with them but dont want to buy them without knowing which to getg
for raiding and M+?
inner zephyr
i have been using it but im just getting worst results each time i run it again
tulip panther
@strange python hey bro can u simm my top gear again? i have mechagon rings now
D:
inner zephyr
im trying to figure out if getting a bunch of expedient is gonna benefit me
strange python
warm parcel
if its longterm, yes
strange python
in top gear you can test things
warm parcel
longterm haste apms are the go to
strange python
@tulip panther sure
warm parcel
but if youre low geared/low corr haste amps might not be the best
haste likes more haste
arctic walrus
@strange python confirm?
warm parcel
inner zephyr
im474 i think thats decent enough to buy corruptions
ive been saving echoes for this im at 28k
strange python
just dont put them on shit gear you'll replace in a week
warm parcel
yea should start with items you know youll keep for a while
like cara daggers are quite certain picks
mecha rings
steep trail
plain oxide
Vafan
tulip panther
@strange python
I have 4 expident in my bagsi want to try expident build with 3SS
sorry i dont have premiun and its hard to sim with so much interations xD
strange python
np just takes some time
willow mulch
so my sims with 5 expedient rank 3 vs infinite stars rank 2 paired with a few random corruptions come back as only about a 500 dps gain single target. any thoughts? imo doesnt seem to be worth redoing all my gear with expedient
void pecan
It has been said time and again, stars is sim bait
it's a vacuum so it's going to sim best
willow mulch
i just came back a month ago so i havent heard that yet sorry.
willow mulch
how much corruption after resistance?
rotund siren
44
willow mulch
kk nice
rotund siren
well 41 after i do my vision but yeah you get the point
next week you can put 8 on and be under 60
ocean torrent
so according to the guide pinned on the Ravenholdt site, what is the magic number for Formless to surpass Lucid as a minor?
for Haste*
drifting cloud
theres no magic number but its alot
theres no magic number but its alot
60+ or somewhere there
void pecan
So what you're saying is.. at 71.. go formless
drifting cloud
no you sim it
astral tiger
Should I bother taking mechagon rings on Wrathion? It's my first week using them, but I don't know if i'm technically able to be behind boss
vast forum
ttk has almost no value for exsang build
dark token
https://i.imgur.com/7FvMhH5.png 1 down 3 to go
celest ruin
oh right tf thanks for pointing that out
strange python
Uh, why wouldn't you be able to be behind wrathion?
sharp bear
@dark token 
gz
astral tiger
Because Wrathion has a tail swipe
So I didn't know if there was a range where I wasn't behind for the swipe but was for the buff
astral tiger
oh really? neat
drifting cloud
counts for behind everywhere almost
dark token
yeah
astral tiger
awesome, thanks!
strange python
there's like a cone on mobs that counts as frontal anything else is "behind"
drifting cloud
if you cant get parried = behind
astral tiger
ahh okay, thank you! I had no idea, like I said i just got the set and I don't wanna be a 3head kek
drifting cloud
and some bosses cant parry even from front so mecharing procs like that
dark token
mostly stuff like last boss of workshop right
fickle jolt
So I'm trying to figure out what pieces to put Exp 3 on...any general guides on what stats I should have on the pieces I use or do I have to just sim it
fickle jolt
ok, that confirms what I was thinking
rotund siren
71% base haste and formless void sim higher than lucid for me @void pecan
void pecan
I mean really it makes sense, you don't need that random "get energy back" if you just.. get energy.
rotund siren
when the haste procs happen, you literally sit on almost capped energy
its pretty crazy
dark token
@fickle jolt any 475 with haste put expedient on it, but prefer haste mast > haste crit > haste vers
sharp bear
https://i.imgur.com/cCqawY8.png so ur telling me purify this and throw exp on it
havent tried exsang build yet was waiting on corrotuption to come back
rotund siren
how many expediant do you have right now
plain thistle
sharp bear
1 rank 2 and 1 rank 3 
warm parcel
I wouldnt corr that if you have access to cara mythic
dark token
carapace doesnt have gloves tho
warm parcel
And you wont have expedients in bags waiting
o gloves
I saw a dagger
ignore that
ye corr that shit
sharp bear
i dont mythic raid at all 
warm parcel
Then thats an even greater piece of loot
sharp bear
https://i.imgur.com/iRReI3t.png and ya i was gonna put 1 on this 2
since i got like 30k echoes
warm parcel
Yea if you dont mythic raid thats best you gonna get
sharp bear
👍
void pecan
It is after the vers nerf
inner zephyr
what essence do i use for raid with Expedient 3
void pecan
inner zephyr
and is that all i want on my gear is expedient
void pecan
r3 x 7 r2x1 something else x 1
astral tiger
so when you vanish to reapply garrote after exsang, do you just like try to start off with 2-3 combo pts and then garrote > envenom > garrote, so you don't override the exsang rupture?
main adder
The 460 hood from Ra-den would be better than the 480 Stygian Guise?
strange python
Which one to use blood of the enemy or world vein for raiding
strange python
Ok ty
hidden maple
so is there an easy explanation as to why CT is viable ST now?
it doesnt contribute to energy refill, so is it just that with our haste we can keep the uptime up to the point it beats the average poison bomb?
lean marten
its a bleed
arctic walrus
haste makes bleeds tick more/faster, faster means more dmg and eventually it does more than pb
hidden maple
wait i thought haste makes the ticks smaller and faster, thus same dmg?
ive played for way too long to be asking this stupid question i know
arctic walrus
more haste is more ticks inside the duration
hidden maple
ive just never really understood/asked for full explanation of haste
warm parcel
Haste reduces tick interval
Yet total duration is unchanged
So more ticks in same 12s
lean marten
start of bfa rogues got Bleeds and Poisons hasted
warm parcel
More dmg in same 12s
lean marten
thats why big haste with bleeds is gud
shadow talon
is +20 corruption Expedient rank 3 ?
strange python
why do big tick when many tick do trick
lean marten
yes pommy
shadow talon
Xang thanks
hidden maple
for some reason i just thought if garrote does 100 dmg, it will do 10 ticks of 10 dmg, but if you get alot of haste it would do, say 20 ticks of 5 dmg
shadow talon
vendor should tell about rank too
drifting cloud
then with alot of haste all you would be doing is applying dots over and over 😄
wary ice
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xs74Pnysk83CMXJqBeF1AY any suggestions for next steps besides exp 3 (which i am currently working on obtaining)
the strike throughs / crit gems are from my m+ set, need more daggers to replace, no luck yet.
hidden maple
i knew the duration was the same, just thought the tick/dmg balanced out
daring urchin
when i sim myself, it keeps saying to play DD and never SS, am i doing something wrong?
warm parcel
theres nothing wrong with dd
lyric crater
any one know what major essence we should be useing?
strange python
blööd
strange python
make a quick sim and scroll down on the page
hidden maple
but i want someone to explain to me with flashing words and pretty colors 😦
uuuuuhh the rotation is telling me to garrote rupture garrote vendetaa mutilate CT...
is....is that normal?
inner zephyr
thats what i do to start my
inner zephyr
garrote rupture garrote Toxic blade vendeta envenom
wary ice
vendetta before mutilate maximized uptime on the garrote ticks + the direct damage of muti
CT does initial damage so u want that in vendetta as well
assuming ct is stronger than pb for you i think that makes perfect sense
hidden maple
crazy world
main adder
yay, got my gibbering maw tonight ❤️ now i just need my shoulders from vendor and itr's all good.
strange python
or ilgy
lyric crater
is deeper stratagem any good now or is it still bad for us look good on paper
strange python
its great with enough haste so it doesnt feel like shit
lyric crater
im sitting at 20% haste no buff or do i need more u thing
strange python
i wouldnt touch ds with that
grave eagle
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strange python
the only reason ds is tolerable is because it feels like vigor at high haste
dark token
can you cloak raden debuff off? last phase
forgot i never tried it lol
the healing one
i assume no
arctic walrus
cloak the lay on hands that's on its way though from the pally you have a beef with
lyric crater
got it yea after the burst i do with it on a target feel slower rotation
dark token
wait cloak works on friendly spells? hmm
eager river
afaik pre-cloaking the cast also doesnt work, so both the application and the debuff itself aren't cloakable
cobalt pelican
safe sluice
is stacking expedient the way to go for prog bosses?. guild is on M illgy atm
fast nacelle
yes
fast nacelle
im maining dh this content... trust me
it could be worse
debuff is actually troll for dhs
lyric crater
ok why is it haveing me stack ver more on sims weights has me at haste ver now
fast nacelle
cause you prob playing with tentacles
expedient getting better the more you have
(also with bleed build)
lyric crater
dont have it have wounds and just got rank 3 stars
fast nacelle
stars sims are missleading
lyric crater
o wait your right i do have tentacles lol forget it on my weapon
fast nacelle
expedient is good the more you stack. then you get your 3x SS azerite and a vers trinket and you are good to go
shrine one isnt shabby either (trinket)
fleet whale
i feel so bad that i'm 471 ilvl but i'm still stuck with a 430 coral...
wary ice
im 476 and dont have a coral :^)
digital timber
if i'm using VOP minor, how does one use vanish and 2min trinket? on CD or just hold and line up for next vendetta?
unkempt stump
You
expedient is good the more you stack. then you get your 3x SS azerite and a vers trinket and you are good to go
@fast nacelle Why a vers trinket?
fast nacelle
u want the big dam gars
unkempt stump
I guess I'll b farming king's rest then later today
unkempt stump
Im WAYY to bad to get 2.1k rating hehe
Lets just hope I get the trinket out of my chest later today 475 mmmmmmmmmmmmmm
gray crest
why does the bleed build run a honed mined r3?
arctic walrus
fills out corruption budget better than an exp 3, and mastery is pretty good
gray crest
why not racing pulse though
loud silo
so ive got gorak tuls but its simming less than illgynoth shoulders, is this normal because HoD = op?
arctic walrus
for me at least it's very marginal
You can ask the lovely guide writer himself about his findings however @scarlet sequoia who has provided much needed information for the community
loud silo
like its fine because i'll just use it for outlul but was a bit odd considering the guide suggests goraks, but i guess its easier to obtain then illy shoulders
true cairn
I've looked around but can't find an answer on this. I have simmed Worldvein vs BotE several times and Worldvein always comes out on top. Does BotE become the best with gear or is it a simming issue like IS?
hidden maple
isnt worldvein like always technically BiS but no raid actually uses it because its annoying
opal minnow
WV is niche
if you can get 2-3 others to run it on like maut or shad its good
bote is just versatile and strong
true cairn
Even with 0 allies it sims as my best. It can be tricky to use on a lot of fights i guess.
Im guessing no but would i delay the 2nd exsanguinate to stack with it?
drifting cloud
you just dont play it
wary ice
my raid set went from 75 sim to 88 sim today :^) bless tuesday
sand plume
my sim went down cause I cleansed my infinite stars rank 3 to make room for expedient 🙂
stone fossil
am I missing something with this sim guide says they're BIS and most rogues on logs are using them but they sim terrible for me ? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/w3kd8sKoWoVQTdbyaY3Loc
loud silo
CT isnt really worth trying to squeeze into your vendetta exsang correct?
fathom swift
why not racing pulse though
@gray crest racing pulse sims better for me, check it it might for you too
hidden maple
aaaaaannnnddd cleansed. good game design
jaunty crystal
just came back from a 1-2 month break. Is MA still the go to build assuming I don't have multiple expedient?
jaunty crystal
even without SS?
balmy condor
yes
jaunty crystal
yea 500 above MA for me it seems. Thanks 🙂
fleet anchor
@stone fossil For full Expedient setup 475 Galecallers is mega-BiS lol..
But I would expect Vita+Galecallers to beat Dice+Galecallers
manic harness
With vers trinket 2ss, would I be using trinket on cd with vendetta or with vanish?
sturdy python
Should be using vendetta and vanish together
manic harness
I would usually try to use vanish Garrote as multidots
I might be missing something obvious but what does Vanish add to Vendetta?
sturdy python
Vendetta buffs garrote damage
manic harness
Oh that would explain it then
sturdy python
But if you’re talking about m+ I’m not sure. Boss fights you typically hold the second vendetta until you can use with vanish and exsang
manic harness
I'm not running expand build yet
sturdy python
Then just vendetta until vanish
Unless it would cause you to lose a cast at the end of the fight
manic harness
So correct order would be Vendetta ,Vanish, Garrote?
Or Vanish, Vendetta, Garrote?
sweet rampart
Is there a guide on how to weave Crimson tempest into our rotation? Or what our opener should look like?
rancid bobcat
press it in place of envenom whenever you need to apply it
stone fossil
@fleet anchor alrighty ty ty 🙂
tiny finch
ive seen some sims prefering crimson tempest to poison bomb, is this a bait or nah?
mine just popped it out
i got super lucky on gambling tonight and got gorak's
so im transitioning to this build
indigo elk
crimson outperforms pb at certain haste lvls
sweet rampart
I just hit that level myself lol
tiny finch
ty, im reading the old messages
indigo elk
its 50%, either it drops or it doesnt, 
low girder
maybe if you add every person that kills it, including all the classes that can't get it. but drop rates are kind of an obfuscated thing with personal loot.
hidden maple
maybe
low girder
same drop chance as anything else in the raid really
mighty elm
sweet rampart
@rancid bobcat does Crimson tempest effect when we use Exsang?
outer moon
I gotta ask for some help/advice. Had a total shit raid tonight. I've been simming, and I'm not even hitting sim numbers. I still feel like I'm doing something wrong. Is my major essence really subtracting that much damage (seeing the 90k+ that gets tossed around), or is it stats? I just feel like I'm missing something fundamental. Even with some small rotation mistakes/boss placement, I shouldn't be falling 5k+ away from my sim.
rigid eagle
yo can someone with premium raidbot help me out a bit
i wanna sim everything i have because when i sim a few things at a time the bis gems keeps changing
prime rock
@outer moon you might want to sim light movement as opposed to Patchwerk to give you a more realistic figure to aim for, for 99% of fights
forest saffron
How important is mastery
I only have abt 800 and I feel like its holding back my essang build
tropic charm
When is one supposed to use CLF with exsang build? I know when to use it when opening, but after that, do I line it up with a specific CD?
hidden maple
easiest way to answer that is to sim yourself and check the APL i think
grizzled jay
Guess it depends on fight time really
If you're are only gonna get 2 casts, guessing it's better to time it with one of your bursts
arctic walrus
@outer moon link logs if you want actual help within the raid
sturdy mesa
Eyo is it haste/crit or haste/mastery we want for the haste build?
keen dome
Haste & whatever sims best
keen dome
Lol
solar pendant
Should i switch to the exsanguinate build if both builds are close together
keen dome
Depends on kill times, exsang is more bursty
solar pendant
feel like kill times are going to go down
arctic walrus
yes ss will be more versatile in nyalotha
solar pendant
makes sense
tame pewter
looks like the hot build isn't really working on me yet. what am I missing? I definitely don't have the most ideal azerite pieces for it, but I'm having a hard simming (especially from the azerite vendor) which items would help, and if they'd help the old build just the same. any thoughts? here's my top gear sim with what I've currently got https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p1AN9hfyK9xqgX2aLLpLGZ
patent topaz
azerite, more expedient, more sockets
tame pewter
this is what I get for playing so inconsistently this patch. I'm way behind in my corruption resistance and I'm just finishing my vision research tree this week, ugh. thanks, I'll keep grinding
hidden maple
also im not sure corral is good with this build anymore
drifting cloud
its still pretty good
tame pewter
I foolishly assumed I wouldn't be replacing it so I gave away the heroic titanshard drops I got 😬
hidden maple
O O F
keen dome
@kleppy mind trying without TA on the danger?
Dagger
I simmed higher with this build once i got an IS piece to replace my TA
As TA does not value haste a lot
tame pewter
ok, didn't realize that. I'll simming another exp3 over TA. I also have 2 IS1 items, I haven't tried messing with those together yet
it also doesn't help that none of my SS pieces are over 465, pretty unlucky on that
drifting cloud
exp3 isnt gonna sim higher than a 470 ta becaues its 15 less corr
keen dome
Vita trinket would have replaced your dive, coral is still good
drifting cloud
and dont bother equipping IS if you have any other options
keen dome
Just curious to see if exsang build would come on top
drifting cloud
not without azerite
tame pewter
yeah that didn't do anything. lemme try replacing the weapon corruption with both an exp3 and a severe1 I have sitting around
but here's the thing, even better azerite puts me just barely above what I'm doing now https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/97uszvN75iPohnTDwr2ZeW
kind gorge
If I'm just committing to playing the old build casually is Expedient still pretty good? I have a couple of those and a lot of tendies
I'm going to build towards PvP set so I do also have a few GW
indigo elk
pvp set generally should be different from the pve ones
old builds are still good but with enough haste and exp, exsang and ct will just naturally pull ahead
waxen socket
For casual play it should be more then fine @kind gorge
kind gorge
Okay thanks I appreciate the response
waxen socket
just remember that tendies are very rng
so sometimes u can deal a shit ton of damage and sometimes u wont have any procs at all
kind gorge
Gotcha, ya our main team rogues complain about that. I think they swapping to new build this week
kind gorge
Does more haste help the tendies proc more often?
tame pewter
lol what are tendies?
keen dome
Twisted appendages
noble pilot
Does mastery generally sim higher than crit with expedient build? I am trying to figure out whether to place expedient on haste/crit or haste/mastery pieces.
shrewd night
I really hope anyone can explain this to me because Im hella stumped
a)
b)
Same bracer
Different corruption
But tendies counts for 100 more haste
sturdy mesa
shrewd night
Like.. I have more haste by taking off a 9% expedient
harsh sphinx
24 corruption doesnt get HoD
noble pilot
@shrewd night Heart of Darkness
shrewd night
Am I that dumb
harsh sphinx
shrewd night
TIME TO PURGE THIS CHANNEL
harsh sphinx
i saved it too late
shrewd night
rav just admitted to spreading misinformation
sturdy mesa
lacks critical information
shrewd night
harsh sphinx
shrewd night
Ima just grind out another expedient before raid ez
rigid mango
ebon ore
Hey guys, may someone help me to simulate my rogue? Im just rotating to exanguinate build
and I have doubts
shrewd night
Dont look at me, Im clearly clowning today
harsh sphinx
at least you have a dagger
steep plover
For the logic mechagon ring
strange python
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xjG7t4t5FgPz62JXJ8Rq5L crit and mastery???? xd
shrewd night
Haste
strange python
full haste or the sim build?
verbal lion
@shrewd night 
shrewd night
verbal lion
blessed
shrewd night
Welcome to the cool kids club
verbal lion
yeah i saw you have one
shrewd night
Part of me isn't even sure if it's a gain with your killtimes lmao
Big boi kratos and shit
verbal lion
yeah i always get bullied will killtimers
shrewd night
arctic walrus
A SB that plays the game? something's off
rigid mango
idle nova
patent topaz
ill just socket my 465 GCB after I open todays chest, fuck it
red plaza
GCB is troll tho
patent topaz
not really
shrewd night
@arctic walrus Gotta balance out that the other active sb is sub, so cant have people comb over all sbs with one brush
thick kelp
hi there! i just wanted to ask if there's something i should change for my gear. Bc the ones that raidbot recommends are much lower ilvl items..
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o7oiCUgxnAXDVrfDpJ6oEr
and i have 465 ilvl with the highest ones
long coyote
Hey guys, I am new to this discord channel so I will not be taking too much of your time. I am planning on buying a ton of haste corruptions today. Is there a limit on haste, where it becomes useless and something else becomes better?
distant lava
@sullen pagoda I wish but I'm stuck with this for now
3 pieces without haste on them
patent quartz
sullen pagoda
oof
im thinking of replacing my vers mastery pants for 250 haste ones i got from LW and putting exp 3 on them
easy 6k haste 
sullen pagoda
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cBCxSC1tyAAaqaR2m8VJ1t wtf dude how do i sim so low
distant lava
lucid
sullen pagoda
wait ye
i need to sim that
but i dont believe in my tanks to properly use flame
need to bully them a bit
distant lava
no goraks aswell
distant lava
I want your gloves too
but I need to socket them for them to be a gain vs my crit mastery socket ones
celest sundial
what rings are people slapping expedient on bois?
sullen pagoda
mechagon ones
shrewd night
what do you mean what rings
sullen pagoda
preferably
shrewd night
There are only two rings worth having
celest sundial
just 2 of the workshop ones? with majority haste and some mastery right?
sullen pagoda
but you need exactly 34% crit
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kuNvhXPBL5SgGxxF6AbBHh yeah 600 dps to drop lucid
not bad
deft obsidian
Whats your crit sitting at atm @sullen pagoda
sullen pagoda
34
spring copper
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deft obsidian
Ideal, not even a gem needed 😛
main adder
I use Afenar's, but I set the whole thing to only show incombat
blissful storm
Can anyone explain to me how Raz is getting 3k more dps than me? His trinket is giving me less dps, is that the difference in boots and pants?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mHZk2mhDwoi8z6hsxWBxq2
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/txGdSgdX2UXYt72BiV45h4
shy dust
Neck level
wary seal
does nothing personal get a bonus from mastery ? as it is poison dmg? and does exanguinate work with it ?
sullen pagoda
any daily raz sim linkers in the chat
loud brook
gib dem sockets
crimson rampart
What haste % do we stop Lucid? 🙂
patent topaz
66.6%
crimson rampart
👍
crimson rampart
wow lol
turbid osprey
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3zj8sFmVtkLgBCWmX3wWqj finally broke 100k hahaha
scuffed trinkets / azerite cant hold me back
arctic walrus
clf actually wins out at any fight length over blood but people just dont like using it
turbid osprey
is there any nuance to using clf? or just on cd
because if not whats not to like :p
west cove
so no honed mind huh?
shrewd night
High haste
turbid osprey
u can do it!
fathom swift
thank you expedient gods
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eAKmxTiRxfQXozMzVYfgJj
arctic walrus
clf simmer pepepoint
west cove
fake sim
fathom swift
yeah but i actually also use clf in raids
loud brook
do main hand vs off hand enchants have any interaction with assassin?
patent topaz
some weird minors
loud brook
gotcha
arctic walrus
I only miss it for human
fathom swift
alli oce = horde anywhere else
fathom swift
no shame playing most populated faction in ur region
fathom swift
goblin is haste right
shrewd night
ye
fathom swift
gnome has it too, I don't think it's affected by expedient
shy dust
What about gnome
fathom swift
cause human was simming 1k higher
loud brook
Im very tempted to not farm my eyes out this week and just build up again and spend it on expedient 2s
when they rotate back
fathom swift
I used to play gnome, it was sick for the corruption root dispel on prog
arctic walrus
gnome is trash human remains bis
shy dust
Gnome plus Mekkatorque cape BiS
loud brook
I was forced to be a human in dazar
arctic walrus
thank god that race change was guild provided
loud brook
and each time it was the most tilting shit
arcane torrent would be ripped off my bars
i had to put it back on every time
fathom swift
yeah thank god it was only for 3 bosses
shrewd night
Imagine all of yall talking about belfs and gnomes, but noone recognizes vulpera as the race overlord with more bagspace and a second hearthstone 
loud brook
if i was a smarter man, id have just made a macro so it wouldn't get forced off
arctic walrus
fwowi would be proud
rancid gulch
so is there any rotation update with ct?
arctic walrus
yeah use it
loud brook
discusteng
shrewd night
Is ct up? If no, make it be up.
loud brook
i hate ct so much
sullen pagoda
CT is pog to play
shrewd night
wdym, its hella much better than envenom 
fathom swift
does like double envenom damage its op
broken zodiac
If we have the 2 essences Breath of the dying + Formless void, we just have 10 corruption resistance and not 20 .... :(-
fathom swift
yeah it says "unique"
broken zodiac
yeah 😦
arctic walrus
well you end up spending a lot of points into ct and not envenom
loud brook
was about to say, it'd be better if both envenom and poison bomb talent combo got compared to that
fathom swift
ya ofc there's more nuance than just "it does dam"
just actually hitting the button on st when you're talented into it does a lot
celest sundial
is the "attack from behind" ring actually better than the "3 different spells" ring?
arctic walrus
it is
errant delta
how much?
arctic walrus
30% uptime difference
loud brook
then you have to ree to yourself when your guildmates tell you to stack in front of skittra
can't have shit in nyalotha
pseudo hamlet
@celest sundial sims about ~20% less uptime for me.
errant delta
whats my opener for this build sub but not ss
arctic walrus
it's basically a 270 degree "behind" the target, and your bleeds proc the tick already
why are you running sub without ss
arctic walrus
the rh guide has openers for any combination of opener there is
deeper doesn't really change anything just what you finish at, >4 rupture >5 env
also if you quick sim it details a rotation for you
errant delta
true good thinking
strange python
hey guys! typically what is the amount of haste you're all aiming for, percentage wise?
low girder
all of it
loud brook
im at rank 19 and it's still not enough
lost wharf
If you run ct, do you just keep it up? Do you try to max out on it for exsang or just prio rupture?
arctic walrus
just sim yourself
deft obsidian
r23..just about juicy
turbid osprey
so, looking at this i need to buy bomber jacket, https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fVoUFZVcaUCAw69sQaqG3Z
but we got our first cara kill last week, so does it make more sense to buy goraks and hope for chest next rekill?
sullen pagoda
isnt it more clear to just say how much % amp it you got since exp doesnt scale lineary
arctic walrus
nah because even that changes from week to week
verbal sparrow
Finally expedient 
deft obsidian
93% Amp, happy @sullen pagoda ❤️
sullen pagoda
big
deft obsidian
Unfortunately my crit has taken a smack 😦
need to regem a bit and lose that tasty 84% haste
arctic walrus
how is gw instead of the exp 2 for you
deft obsidian
GW falls behind massively in my sims now 😦 RIP
verbal sparrow
I have 8x expedient now and I think my raid group will want to smacc me in face with that high corruption
deft obsidian
I've got carapace boots, just not slapped a corruption on it yet
deft obsidian
Just over
deft obsidian
I assume if he mentioned his raid going mad, its because its over the 60 "cap"
verbal sparrow
I had exp 2 on one item, but purifyed it and now I think it wasn't been a smartest idea
lost wharf
I can't get the frikin "hit from behind" ring -.- I'm still running with a "use 3 different abilities" one
glacial steppe
verbal sparrow
I don't have any of them
I have if I fell under 50% I will deal 8k dmg
been mecha like 2000 times, and I didn't even saw that ring drop
lost wharf
Was mecha on my mage yday for my chest. Got the weap from workshop. Was like "Why the fck no1 uses this? It has a int on use!". Then I realised it shares cd with trinket and it has 1k less base int than a weap of same ilvl while giving 2.2k int on a 45sec cd.
rigid eagle
Today is a monumental day isn't it
untold mortar
interesting
limber lion
Anyone got the custom advanced sim that sims the best food buff/potion?
upper jasper
How on earth have I gone from 98k sim to 96k sim with an extra exp 3 and the mecha rings??
scarlet sequoia
it went down
upper jasper
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ryse2KRHmyVsftm3H4UYd7
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tH6yoAYSKFzPhd4CAvciEb
eager mountain
How much CP should I used when playing with DS? Do I go with 4/5 or 5/6?
upper jasper
Poison bomb aint gonna make 2k difference surely?
royal lantern
@eager mountain rupture at 4 or more, env at 5or more
keen dome
@upper jasper you have different secondary essences in the 96k sim. It doesn't have Lucid
crimson palm
simming ur chest with outlaw traits is such a 5Head move
icy oasis
Hey, is there special way to sim Bleed build? Or if Crimson Tempest isnt higher I need mroe haste?
eager mountain
@royal lantern Thanjk you! 😄
shell cloud
Hey! Can I have some help 😄 Is it worth it to sacafice gem and item level for that combo with behind the back? Im thinking about ring 1 vs ring 3 on my scren to wear ring 1 and 2 or just stay like ring 1 and 3?
upper jasper
HAHAHA
royal lantern
need a shitton of haste for CT too be higher
upper jasper
simming ur chest with outlaw traits is such a 5Head move
@crimson palm I'm great
royal lantern
use from behind
and put a socket on it from vision
and try too get a 465 overclocking
young portal
Use 2 and 3, with the uptime difference between Recursion and Division. Its probably worth more than the socket anyway. Which you can just slap a socket on anyway
upper jasper
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ch5n4cgNNnSzPfKxfMrivE @crimson palm ty bro xD
shell cloud
@royal lantern @young portal i just try with target dummy and ye perma haste when im behind is better. Thank you guys! 🙂
shrewd night
wdym wits isnt an upgrade for assa 
shell cloud
Thats even better 😄
untold mortar
i wonder that formless void is simming better for you @upper jasper
past hinge
alright boys, i need some help gearing my haste is at like 40% but this week is expident and i gotta make sure i put them on okay pieces, i dont have either of the mechagon rings so im thinking of putting one on each of them, think thats a pretty safe bet. how much do i value haste over ilvl? like say if i have a 460 piece with giga haste and a 475 piece with a bit less haste, and how much should i value secondary stats
grizzled trail
i see all the CLF sims but is anyone actually using clf on reclears?
past hinge
trying to play the exsang build
grizzled trail
feel like blood is just way better for pretty much every fight
rose sapphire
fathom swift
yeah I use clf a lot, it's good
upper jasper
@untold mortar I’m at 71% haste unbuffed now so it’s overtaken lucid
upper jasper
Interesting
untold mortar
even with one more exp it doenst overtake for me
upper jasper
Lucid will cap you so hard though
untold mortar
yea
upper jasper
Maybe you’re at a point where vers has overtaken haste? 🤔
untold mortar
15mio iterration sim is running
upper jasper
Tried it with Conflict?
upper jasper
You don’t run vita
untold mortar
true
untold mortar
sims lower than my dice
upper jasper
What is this madness
upper jasper
Only if you’re not replacing them
steep plover
Idk if im gna be able to replace thek anytime soon unless i pop a 475 next week
limber lion
465 would be the lowest I'd go and that's only on Mechagon rings
steep plover
A good one
kindred stirrup
What happens when you shadowstep n'zoth ? Is there a behind ?
low girder
there is, it's set
untold mortar
yea there is
deft obsidian
Yeah
kindred stirrup
damn
deft obsidian
Normally right at our stack point. Pretty glorious
low girder
yeah that's where most people stack
upper jasper
Then probably okay unless you’re going to replace with 465’s / weekly chests @steep plover
low girder
just don't do it later in p3 lmao
deft obsidian
Anguished 😂
craggy aspen
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pSkWPtamd6ASvXPNiDuaQJ how come the 480 head without SS sims higher than the 480 with here?
steep plover
Aight tyy bro
I have a 460 mechagon ring should i chuck it on there
Logic loop of division
deft obsidian
I’d imagine it’s related to an overwhelming power slot? (Not opened link)
low girder
my set is 460 'cause i just queued for anything 12 or higher
somehow managed both in 13s
can't be assed to farm for 5 ilvls
craggy aspen
yeah the non SS has overwhelming / swirling sands / DD
deft obsidian
How’s your crit/haste?
limber lion
NP isn't great for this build, loses a lot of value after the more haste you have. Swirling Sands' value doesn't drop. Overwhelming Power is huge for this build
craggy aspen
haste is at 67%, crit 27%
deft obsidian
Ah your SS helm has NP?
craggy aspen
ye :/
deft obsidian
At high haste it’s basically a dead slot
scarlet sequoia
hopefully u guys realize its not high haste making np shit
craggy aspen
well the other option was EB
scarlet sequoia
its haste amp making hod insane
deft obsidian
Well it’s all relevant I guess. I’ve only one HOD still so can’t confirm kekw
Carapace chest. Some day
craggy aspen
YEP
upper jasper
Was lucky enough to get chest and then bonus weapon with socket on our first kill. Not seen another weapon since haha
deft obsidian
That is what I hope for every kill
deft obsidian
Gotten neither but boots x2
upper jasper
Had the boots twice too haha
low girder
prepped a roll on ilgy but rolled loot again anyway -.-
so now it'll prolly be nothing
deft obsidian
Tonight’s the night, I feel it’s
arctic walrus
sure hod gets even better but also there's no need for 40 energy over 20s when you are already gcd locked
arctic walrus
both are reasons np is just bad now
deft obsidian
Also the same Holsy 😂
scarlet sequoia
dunno if np has actually been good cus of the 2 energy for a long time now
low girder
was just decent dmg basically wasn't it
crimson palm
EASY
low girder
forget if it was amped by tb
upper jasper
@scarlet sequoia gorak still worth saving for over Ilgy shoulders?
deft obsidian
I’m using Vex chest and DDx1 still a fair bit higher than NP. Such a cucked setup
Works out about a 450dps loss for me switching to allure holsy. That’s “if” I had carapace chest also
upper jasper
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/706551714118893680/722742747127218226/unknown.png my stats @deft obsidian
deft obsidian
That crit 
I was just gonna say I’m behind in crit so the budget could be skewed
30.7% crit and 80.2% haste. Need to regem a tad
upper jasper
I think you want 34-36 minimum? Afaik
deft obsidian
Yeah 34 seems to be the sweet spot
low girder
i'm at 32 and it doesn't want me to change anything
and still throws vers OH enchant lmao
deft obsidian
I’m just waiting on my sim to finish up and see
No doubt it’ll just say go mastery
crimson palm
its between 32-34
upper jasper
Yeah I’m a touch high haha
crimson palm
get ur shit right raz
upper jasper
I’ll replace that severe by the weekend
deft obsidian
Should drop you into a sweet place
upper jasper
Hoping for legs from Wrath tbh, rather have the mastery. But might be too much crit loss
deft obsidian
They haste/mast? Can’t recall
upper jasper
Oh and I’ve just realised my ring enchants are missing haha
Only put e3 on them both this morning so got a bit excited haha
deft obsidian
Literally only gotten trinkets from that boss ha
shy axle
any guideline regarding gbc usage with exang? can`t find it atm
pseudo hamlet
Do we use CT before first Exang? According to sims we do, but in the guide it says otherwise.
upper jasper
My sim doesn't?
deft obsidian
Also doesn't in mine
pseudo hamlet
Ok, the guide says poison bomb, lol.
deft obsidian
It follows after Exsang/BOTE
upper jasper
pseudo hamlet
I'm using CLF. Weird.
upper jasper
Haste food I use
deft obsidian
Also as suspected my sim has come back with a marginal regem/enchant of +331 dps to go mastery despite being at 30.2% crit
pseudo hamlet
I have no idea what sorcery this is. 
shy axle
if you use ct on st you just keep it up but do not try to align it with exang , is that the right way?
deft obsidian
Mine shows the same running CLF.
deft obsidian
Is this a flash back to class where the teacher trolls us when we get the answer wrong or a legit question Raz
scarlet sequoia
yeah what u said
sleek pecan
cause ct is also affected by exsang?
scarlet sequoia
wrong
it is but thats not why
u know the answer tisu, im tryna see if the rest know it
dire spoke
overcapping rupture too much early
sullen pagoda
ramping up the haste from clf
dire spoke
xd
novel drum
the dmg of CT is amped by vendetta
sleek pecan
Extending eb?
dire spoke
when running formless void it probably would do it earlier I guess
sullen pagoda
not knowing you should have 32-34% crit from a rank 5 maut
smh
its delayed so u can get to 10 stacks iris obviously
dire spoke
that's what I guessed 😐
scarlet sequoia
i give a hint here
jovial spear
Have the mecha rings in 465, is it worth corrupting them and putting on sockets, or should I pray to the RNGods that I get them from chests for the 475 version?
scarlet sequoia
its to do with how many combo points the mutilate after vendetta gives
pseudo hamlet
You want to have exactly 6CP rupture on Exang?
quartz depot
Rank1 players use poisoned knife there
scarlet sequoia
yes @pseudo hamlet , so why does the apl use crimson tempest like it shows in the screenshot
quartz depot
Rank 100 players just use torrent instead
low girder
What rank am I if I hit neither
quartz depot
Private logs player
low girder
F
pseudo hamlet
@scarlet sequoia because it'll be either 5 or 6 CP, so it would be better not to waste that 1 CP on bonus mutilate and have exactly 6 CP rupture next time? Also Exang works on CT
scarlet sequoia
yay you got it
worldly echo
This was a great read and teach raz.
I was following it and thinking hard what it was. Then finally realized it was the CP waste that was in the logic haha.
crimson palm
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/brqcQtj2TPfqgSZDp4JvHh bote minor is rocking it
sleek pecan
Why do uplay clf major?
arctic walrus
Bigger sim means he’s better at the game
crimson palm
i dont like bote
royal lantern
if you wanna simflex, you gotta take the big sim essence i gues
scarlet sequoia
careful flexing too much, you're gonna end up hating it in the end
crimson palm
im playing it on most bosses atm
mb its feelcraft but the upfront burst with lust outpeforms bote for me
sullen pagoda
https://i.imgur.com/llouzDE.png liar liar pants on fire
crimson palm
"most" kekw
bote on vexi ilgy carapace and nzoth atm
gonna try clf this week on nzoth
patent topaz
clf on nzoth means you have to save for 1st burn, no?
patent topaz
ye
rigid walrus
are we exsanging ct? no right
crimson palm
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/erXjodDgeBbx49zy2aiZrs like even at 3 min 1 clf > 2 bote 1.1%
scarlet sequoia
@rigid walrus no, you dont force ct for exsang
but if you wanna know more scroll up a bit and read:)
lavish brook
Is exsang just the build to do now? Or do ya need minimum haste? Also is 34% Crit the go to?
sullen pagoda
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/NMtW9hiXCVA1SAFRRh7v4 @crimson palm its time to join the club of real shoulders
crimson palm
ye im using em
gray breach
gambling still
gray breach
is it?
silver musk
hey im trying to comfort myself
sullen pagoda
aint backing down
crimson palm
u'll hate goraks when u start seeing the procs outside ur vendettas xD
wet ruin
@crimson palm try simming 3 min no variance
silver musk
same ahahah
hearty crane
To check which enchant i should get i can just sim stat weight right
jovial spear
How does expedient work? If I get 3 of them, will they increase my current Haste by 36%? (E.g 30% unbuffed haste x 36% Expedient = 40%?)
wet ruin
turbid osprey
we want 7 exp 3 total right
fathom swift
its fun to play 🙂
turbid osprey
ty
shy axle
do you use gcb on cd or align it with vend/exang whatever
turbid osprey
was gonna ask the same question but about plumage
fathom swift
gcb use before exsang on pull, then when your 2nd exsang rupture runs out, then with next cds etc.
faint harness
its only every other GCB usage which might seem weird
opal nacelle
Hello men, is very worth full hate (with corrupt) vs critik ??
fathom swift
yeah it doesnt feel like it lines up but its better to get it on cd
fathom swift
cause then next one does line up for cds
faint harness
i guess for 3 min killtimes it might be
tacit warren
is EXP the corruption to go even for mainly m+ ?
fathom swift
ya you hold if you're not gonna get another use anyway and will get another exsang]
tropic ocean
@tacit warren nah
tacit warren
what corruption should i go for instead?
tropic ocean
severe and strikethrough
(if you use echoing blade traits that is, which you should)
tacit warren
yeah ive got that
shy axle
so cgb is use on pull before exang, next after the second exang runs out, then togheter with Vend/Van?
shrewd night
ngl sounds like ass to play with
tacit warren
so is it worth me waiting for severe or stack up on strikethrough this week?
i have like 20k echoes
shy axle
yeah
regarding CT on st, i am just holding it up using it instead of an env,idk if thats right, didn`t get the conversation above tbh
tropic ocean
@tacit warren if u dont need exp for raid, yeah
faint harness
@shy axle CT just becomes a maintenance dot on ST yes
shy axle
good, thanks
civic hatch
CT is used in ST now?
tacit warren
sorry @tropic ocean is that save up or get ST ?
pine badger
If running condensed life force do you cast on cd or do you line it up with vendetta?
tacit warren
i wont be raiding enough to warrant the exp i dont think, i literally go to social heroic raids for gear then go back to m+
tropic ocean
then save for m+ things