it would be cool if you name changed though so I'd stop getting pinged in gally
#assassination
arctic walrus
dim yacht
lmfao
waxen socket
dim yacht
theres a guy called chrisky and another called chrism, both from frostmourne
and i ping the wrong chris all the time
drifting cloud
server owner of warr discord is also named vel 
dim yacht
marble hemlock
#exposed
arctic walrus
I am universal
dim yacht
i remember there was a blood elf rogue on my realm with almost the exact name as me
and we were competing for #1 IO for rogues for so long too
cause MG IO is so easy to get #1 
i remember a casual friend of mine told me he was so excited to be top 10 surv hunter IO on moonguard
top surv hunter wasnt even 1k
storm storm
when do you guys recommend using galecaller's boon, when playing the bleed build ?
mossy valve
So I’m a pvper, does anyone know if a full gushing build in m+ or raid is even moderately ok?
strange python
its playable
viral valve
It'll do some work, and it's more than good enough if your pve goals are just heroic and +15s
strange python
if raid/m+ isnt your focus
viral valve
If you spam arena you could probably afford some expedients by the time it comes back up, though
mossy valve
Yeah my main problem is it’s my alt and I just play to fuck around but sometimes I wanna do keys with some irl buddies and don’t wanna int
And I could come on reclear for some bosses maybe idk if the damage is like completely garbage or not.
viral valve
Honestly, post-nerf gushing is underrated, it's just that every class has something that's better, it's by no means a bad corruption to run
rancid obsidian
Tbh it's only important to only have some good corruptions, for example i use 2 RP instead of exp at the moment becaus i MIGHT replace those pieces and RP is only a few % worse.
strange python
rancid obsidian
(Rp was on those pieces to beginn with)
strange python
here is all mythic shadhar (st) logs who used at least 1 gw
so you can just look through and see if there's any with full gw
viral valve
Keep in mind that full gushing has only been available for a few days, and only those who had a lot of echoes when vendor came out(or lucky drops) have full expedient. So they'll both be underrepresented in logs
loud brook
is it just straight up expedient stacking or do i sprinkle in some severes or honed minds in between?
rancid obsidian
Optimal Corruptions for my current gear are 1 Gw,1 Mastery proc and rest Expedient. (I the mastery will vanish once i get a bit more)
Expedient stacking is a good idea, pretty much any build uses mostly exp
frigid briar
nah, anyone running gushing in top 10 for maut or shadhar has TA aswell
thats TA procs by the looks
which will always go to the top since it has some mad RNG god pulls
if you look at top 10 for maut, apart from me and raz in full expedient the other people have tenticals and had mad procs
frigid briar
also kill times is a big thing aswell
103k with gushing he did, think I did like 112k last week with full exp. Proc corruption will net you the BiS log if it goes mad. I do think 1 GW at the end might be something eventually though
strange python
just shows that you're not cucking yourself too much running near full gw
so if raids isnt your focus but pvp is, its not that bad
frigid briar
I mean on shadhar that dudes log is stil 30k behind full exp on shadhar
30k is quite a bit
well I guess it is and it isnt in this patch
loud brook
I just wanna hit my max potential with what I have and what I can achieve
red bloom
Got my GW in the bank ready to go... after my raid kills nzoth and I can go to 60 WOOO
bleak spoke
I’m honestly confused as to why that’s so low
It looks like it should sim higher than that
loud brook
i'm assuming it's because I don't have everything socketed out
bleak spoke
Oh that’s not a m cara dagger either
bleak spoke
Dragonscale is depleted maybe
loud brook
hmm, maybe
red bloom
Is CT simming better than bomb for ya?
loud brook
doing that sim rn, dont have enough iterations to test out everything. just copied someone else who did 112k
and am working backwards from there
red bloom
Ah, I’d go lucid instead of formless void, you’re copying someone with a lot more haste than you have atm, not the greatest idea since you don’t have their gear
loud brook
fair
tropic ocean
oh and dont just mindlessly stack crit haste
sim your stat
mastery probably already better for you
azure pewter
Can you replace the behind ring with the 3 different spells one?
loud brook
here, i'll sim the current gear set im using for raiding. the one i showed was a set waiting for expedients
que is taking forever
tribal obsidian
Its low cause your missing some expedient, lots of sockets and using formless at low haste
Pretty sure
loud brook
this one i posted right now doesnt use formless. Yeah, I figured it was just a haste and socket problem but it just makes me feel inadequate about my way of choosing gear
loud brook
jesus
loud brook
alright
wooden osprey
What corruptions should I be looking for as Sin? I'm just returning and don't quite get the whole corrupted gear thing just yet. I keep hearing conflicting things in game.
scarlet sequoia
expedient
wooden osprey
And that's just a % increase gained from all sources? So the haste expedient?
wooden osprey
And that's randomly sold by Mother now?
scarlet sequoia
yes
wooden osprey
And also comes on gear in RNG?
tribal obsidian
Yes
wooden osprey
Thank you! Sorry for the questions, but people in game were telling me all sorts of nonsense
tribal obsidian
Np
wooden osprey
So I can cleanse bad corruption and add expedient when it's available and when my gear is better..
I'm still really low right now
tribal obsidian
A lot of people just look at top rank parses and are generally behind in whats actually good
Thats my observation anyway
strange python
Corruption is shit
wooden osprey
??
tribal obsidian
It is and i like it at the same time
quartz depot
it's mostly the way you acquire it that is awful
wooden osprey
Visions over and over?
tribal obsidian
This tier would be boring without it
quartz depot
it's boring even with it 🙂
wooden osprey
I've only done a few visions and they're already boring
tribal obsidian
Take a break
strange python
U cant play this right now, u can have an itemlvl 420 but top the Meters u only need the right corruption, its so boring
waxen socket
Not really
shy axle
thats not the case though
waxen socket
Since the vendor u actuelly need good pieces to be corrupted 🙂
sullen pagoda
thats just not true
tropic ocean
U cant play this right now, u can have an itemlvl 420 but top the Meters u only need the right corruption, its so boring
@strange python x doubt
shy axle
keep exaggerating
waxen socket
The vendor actuelly made it so that there is a bis list now which feels amazing imo
tropic ocean
you can also play very decently while having bad corruptions
sullen pagoda
especially since stat amps are bis now so it comes down to your play
its not how many tentacules will i proc
wooden osprey
So I don't want any other corruptions other than the haste expedient?
tropic ocean
sadly the common logic is bad corruption is 0 dps, bis corruption is 1 mil dps
tribal obsidian
Theres a lot of "corruption is awful" parroting
tropic ocean
but in reality the difference between bad corruption and good corruption is not as high
wooden osprey
Can one of you please link your Sin so I can see what I'm aiming for?
tropic ocean
I'd even say the difference between bad and good azerite is higher
sullen pagoda
@tropic ocean obviously if im doing bad its the gear duh 
strange python
Its still a bad system^^
sullen pagoda
i dont think its bad system
tropic ocean
idk I like it
sullen pagoda
with vendor
tropic ocean
only issue was vendor should've been way earlier
sullen pagoda
before vendor sure it was garbage
tropic ocean
the issue is not the system, but the rng, but it was the same with wf/tf
waxen socket
this is my current sim but not near perfect even
tropic ocean
or legendaries even
waxen socket
If it helps u out @wooden osprey
sullen pagoda
I like the whole idea of risk and reward of corruptions
loud brook
every log i can find of high performing rogues has 80 corruption after resist. I can't even gauge and analyze people who play around my corruption level because every rogue that parses runs rank 8 tendies or rank 25 expedients
sullen pagoda
wdym @loud brook i got rank 1 skitra 2 days ago with just regular 60 corruption, ofc most relevant boss 
waxen socket
@loud brook there are alot of rogues who top log with below 60 since the bleed / expedient build
tropic ocean
@loud brook compare cast counts/uptime/cd usage
waxen socket
what are u on about
tropic ocean
not dps
wooden osprey
@waxen socket thanks, but I don't see the haste expedient on your gear. Or did I miss it?
tropic ocean
just quit the game
tribal obsidian
People will complain in SL too
tribal obsidian
X item system sucks
loud brook
I just want to compare myself against other people who run under 40 corruption. I don't care about anyone who runs anything above 40
sullen pagoda
https://i.imgur.com/EQBTRXR.png 400k peak not bad
waxen socket
@wooden osprey it shows next to the items for me? this is with 59 corruption and mass amount of haste
Which hopefully wednesday comes on the vendor
tribal obsidian
Id rather have a non optimal item system then none
waxen socket
so i can actuelly buy it 😄
Still since the vendor i liked the raids more in terms of rewards honestly
loud brook
dont get me wrong, im happy that people are having fun doing 40-80 corruption builds, i don't want to spoil anyone's fun. I just wish there was a better way to filter out stuff I don't want to see
waxen socket
grinding for your bis items to get corruptions I find enjoyable
waxen socket
U are clicking on the items?
sullen pagoda
I mean cant just close eyes on people playing big corruptions
waxen socket
idk in the overview it shows next to the items the corruptions 🙂
tribal obsidian
I wouldn't gear your self based off logs
sullen pagoda
take risks get rewarded
tropic ocean
I mean
infinite stars/tend stack will always have the ability to give you the highest possible outcome due to rng-factor of the corruption itself
but I wouldn't care at all about it
tropic ocean
you can also do r1s with expedient stack
loud brook
if they explored the idea of ineffable truth and the popular spec major essences and found ways to implement them into the endgame of the next expac as talents or things to help customize playstyles id be down with them
crimson palm
u'll suck on all stars with tendies so who cares
tropic ocean
- your log variety wont be as gigantic
tribal obsidian
I mean you can tell the people who are trying to copy gear from a log. They show up with CT, exa, formless, bote and no haste
Assuming its all linear
sullen pagoda
exsang build just has the regular amount of rng
getting vita / op proc in exsang snapshot
is giga
sullen pagoda
yea thats what i mean, its rng that existed in every expansion
loud brook
honestly, the rng is out of control this expansion
loud brook
sometimes i burst for 170k on my opener, other times it's 120k
sullen pagoda
it really isnt that much with stat amps instead of dmg proc corruptions
tropic ocean
like wcl is an external site that can be shut down every day so wouldnt care too much about it
sullen pagoda
compare it to wod arcane mage that literally could 3x 4x their dps just by having procs
tropic ocean
and with owner going crazy who cares, might remove proc corruptions from wcl soon too
😄
sullen pagoda
or getting that wod hfc trinket proc chain
forgot name
for rogues
assa in legion was poison bomb casino
tropic ocean
soul capacitor?
loud brook
cloak procs, azerite blightborne procs, essence minor procs, corruption procs, poison application procs critical strike procs during your dps proc window granting exponential dps increase, SEAL FATE PROCS
i think this list needs to get trimmed down to 4 or 3 procs
sullen pagoda
literally
tropic ocean
I wish there was a trinket like archimonde
loud brook
oh right, that and envenom increasing proc chance application of poisons
sullen pagoda
legion assa dps couldve yoyo dps by 20% just from poison bomb ignoring everything else
loud brook
they should make poison bomb a cd that we can activate for burst
rather than this malarkey
tropic ocean
the should just lower dmg
but increase proc chance more
so its reliable
I mean its better than legion
cuz legion was
similar to tentacle rng
lol
tropic ocean
only start in antorus
sullen pagoda
any sub pre 7.2 gamers here
tropic ocean
and there sin was picked mostly? i think
loud brook
id be fine with it being more reliable, but less dmg, though i think that giving it to us as an ability to activate that's off the gcd that empowers our next like 4 envenoms or envenoms for the next few seconds is the best state it can be for long term health of the class
then they should address the stuff like hidden blades and venom rush
only time i ever used venom rush was in legion while leveling
back when it was like 10* energy
shrewd night
Assa with bracer/ring combo was smooth as fuck, get that sub out of here 
smoky horizon
Question: I was lucky enough to acquire a 475 Galecaller’s Boon and I was wondering if I should bind it with Exsanguinate? Every other Exsan would be coupled with Galecaller’s
shrewd night
Ring was better for my gear than shoulder, not at all salty about that 
tropic ocean
@tribal obsidian idk i started late into antorus 😛
but I also really enjoyed the rotation with kingsbane
tribal obsidian
Yea
tropic ocean
I like the planning around burst windows playstyle
tribal obsidian
I played sub exclusively so
tropic ocean
@smoky horizon pretty sure u want to use it on cd
tribal obsidian
I honestly didn't care for the DFA stuff though
I wouldn't bind gcb to anything because of the movement part
Im excited to see legendaries back i actually didn't mind them
tribal obsidian
I wouldn't mind a tier set item system even like corruption
Where you could add it to pieces
loud brook
I just hope that exsanguinate doesnt become mandatory since we're getting toxic blade baseline as shive
shiv
same thing
bleh
tribal obsidian
Exa will prob disappear again in SL
tropic ocean
yeah
think azerite corruption mixed into a system like netherlight crucible where u can choose what u want
would be big
so you just farm like the corruption or the relic and put it where u want
tribal obsidian
Exactly
tropic ocean
would also solve the issue blizzard being unable to properly balance azerite pieces
strange python
Exactly
@tribal obsidian Hey , waiting your sim bro
loud brook
I mean, the row is effectively venom rush and exsanguinate without tb. idk if alacrity will be the default option
alacrity will be better for awhile, then exsanguinate will get better with more haste. I just don't want one talent to overshadow the others. I want ppl who like sang to be able to play it while also me not having to play it because i hate it.
cobalt pelican
can't see alacrity ever not being the play assuming bleed damage follows similar trends to bfa
having a 1sec gcd but only being able to press 1 button every 3 gcds is usually the biggest dps throttle we have early on
tribal obsidian
The problem with azerite type systems and same with the legion legendary is they need to continue to balance them
cobalt pelican
and i doubt we'll reach corruption levels of haste again anytime soon
sullen pagoda
@tropic ocean u missed assa with boots prenerf and 3x relic traits for vendetta cd
that was a blast
loud brook
Yeah, the only way I think that they'd be able to make sang competitive would be making the gcd press for sanguinate more impactful or to add a huge bleed % damage amp to make it useable for Priority damagr
sullen pagoda
i cant remember later on, i quit in antorus and NH/ ToS was sub
sub was too giga in tos
loud brook
But I'm not a game designer, so idk the ramifications of adding those effects
sullen pagoda
You will always have "best" talents at the end of the day @loud brook perfect balance doesnt really exist
vestal wren
Sub was rly strong in ToS but damage wise still lower than warriors
only subtlety got nerfed tho
sullen pagoda
yea warriors were bangers in ToS but sub was one of highest dps + immunity class with tier that had the most soaks ever in wow
loud brook
Yeah, I know 
vestal wren
sub was good bc. you could use your imunities
and classes without immunities did not get taken in
sullen pagoda
it also had fights that allowed it to tunnel dps a lot
like mistress or w.e name that fishy naga
loud brook
Anyway I'm off to bed, peace everyone
sullen pagoda
rest cant aoe easy evis spams
vestal wren
i know its trendy to bash rogue's utility but rogue is not one of the classes/specs with the most utility
survivability is also highly dependent on the encounter
evasion, feint and cloak do more often nothing so the utility is highly reliant on what blizz allows
sullen pagoda
that is true, but in ToS rogues were god class
hell i got accepted in guild that already had 4 rogues just cuz rogue on KJ prog
vestal wren
that had several reasons
e.g. on avatar you had a buggy feint damage reduction that kind of made the soak damage 0
sullen pagoda
yeah i forgot about that
didnt aoe dmg reduction and ST one stack
so it made it do 0
vestal wren
and on KJ you could cheese the soaks
but as mentioned, this changed dramatically, rogue's only guaranteed defensive is vail
the rest can change from encounter to encounter
sullen pagoda
this days DH's outshine us but when you see some other melee classes we are still in great spot
vestal wren
i think esp. when talking about utility ppl just think about shroud in m+
sullen pagoda
I was thinking more of raid defensives and survivability
but rogue ye brings much more than shroud
especially outlaw
vestal wren
well yes, but its the main reason you usually want 1 rogue in your group
ofc. this season its a bit diffrent given the seasonal affix does reduce the impact of shroud
sullen pagoda
Im mostly worried about SL some classes getting big raid buffs like wf totem and banners that if we dont bring high damage we will be left out kinda
but thats all alpha and prone to change 
vestal wren
that was already the case in BfA
rogue was not the best class to bring on many fights
runic kernel
Any glad rogues I can talk to?
Wondering if i should just buy a few gushings or at least one versatile?
Dont have many echoes.
sullen pagoda
yep this expansion rogues werent the greatest, u needed other melee for the raid buffs and fights didnt allow many melees
very limited spots
runic kernel
I have 2 gushings bought and im wondering if i should buy one more or a versatile.
sullen pagoda
@runic kernel pvp channel
runic kernel
yeah it seems dead lol
vestal wren
problem is the majority in the spec channels focus on pve, so answers here might be less relevant
runic kernel
Just thought I may find someone.
vestal wren
I think rogue playrate was alright
a lot of even very high world ranks did bring rogues even if it was not the best option for the slot
and i doubt there will be much change in SL to that
strange python
Harper pikaboo at least went full gushing, can't do anything wrong with that. mix of vers and gushing should be good as well
sullen pagoda
thankfully Nzoth needed a lot of immunities so we were wanted in the end
vestal wren
idk you can just as well put a BM hunter in the place of a rogue
sullen pagoda
even as solo rogue in my guild gm asked me if i wanted to focus on my warlock maybe cuz my warlock was already very good geared lmao
ye bm hunter does everything rogue does better
vestal wren
its just overtuned
current state of the game just showcases how important propper tuning is
or... what happens if you don't do that
sullen pagoda
i find it funny how bm hunter went from "dont go bm hunter going into nyalotha useless class"
to most broken thing atm
vestal wren
the shocking truth is that TC's did point out flaws in Corruption sclaings, so the OP stuff was known
it wasn't something that hit blizz by suprise
sullen pagoda
pretty sure they straight up forgot about bm just like they did with sub but bm scaling and bow made them into monsters
vestal wren
it just comes down to their strategy of balancing
and it did not include re-evaluation and tuning, thats why we have classes that barely reach 100k dps with bis gear while others are at 130k or higher
sullen pagoda
i dont mind bm being best, they werent for long time but they are best in so many aspects atm which is annoying
like their aoe St cleave
its all top tier
vestal wren
thats just a consequence of tuning
tribal obsidian
They've stated before they really dont like to nerf things
And they definitely just let things ride out more now
soft shale
they didnt forget to buff arms twice or thrice tho meanwhile rogue in general only got nerfs
shrewd night
Throwback to when demo warlock was hot ass and devs told people publicly to not play them
rough sapphire
Hey Guys, what stats i want on Craft items? Haste>Versa? (Pants)
vast forum
My issue with bm having the highest patchwerk dps is that it's also the most mobile class with 40yd range and by far the best at dealing with grand delusions
soft shale
feral is the best at dealing with grand delusions tbh but hunter has its things too
steep obsidian
wary ice
Cant bm feign it?
soft shale
iirc feing 1 trap 2 stun 3 root 4(if talented) then you get hit by five
wary ice
Just walk away from it 4head
night mantle
@wary ice yes BM can feign it
vast forum
You can quite literally just walk away from it while doing full dps
soft shale
bm can play well above 40 but cant play that well above 60 because of the slow and lack of defensives good trade off on doing crazy damage with low corruption anyway
vagrant hinge
Hey there. Any advice ?? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fnyPTGDZij4GbKJy7kHonC
strange python
farm trinkets/dagger/rings
cobalt pelican
drop td, probably play vigor over deeper at your gear
but yeah generally just loot items a lot
vagrant hinge
And for essences ? Blood of the enemy 3 is a must ? I’ve rank 2 but tired to farm honor
vagrant hinge
Ok
viral valve
Mind taking a look at another sim? This is what my gear will look like after expedient comes back up on vendor, I'd like to be sure I don't corrupt the wrong shit. I can't think of any upgrades other than getting good shoulders and mechagon rings. (My guild is unlikely to get past xanesh, so late mythic gear is a non-option) https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xnhaSaHZYd6vS7c11X8HHq
stark echo
59 corruption? is that safe?
stark echo
just ignore the ring?
mellow berry
hi there, I'm just coming back to my rogue and I absolutely love the assa spec. Now I'm a bit overwhelmed over what traits/essences to use for m+ (10-18ish). I've read the exsanguinate guide but I'm not sure if thats in the cards for me... any recommendations?
Thanks in advance
viral valve
From what I can tell, the ring set is about ~2k upgrade
viral valve
Mostly, yeah. Just pop feint
strange python
@mellow berry do you have 3x SS? if not, go outlaw
if you have 3x ss just stack crit/mastery
stark echo
i have 3x ss, but i feel like people are saying stack expedient which is haste?
viral valve
I like haste in bolstering siege/shrine as well, getting the priority targets low before they bolster from the smaller adds is pretty huge
stark echo
so haste for single target, crit/mastery for multi
i think i'm just gonna do 50/50 haste/crit corruptions. i only want to time 15s
strange python
if you're buying corruptions for m+ go with severe/strikethrough
stark echo
thanks, will do!
strange python
@viral valve https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8qZ4GpyM42gqMpX7vwZtim I got it up a little bit
hey assas rogue here 444 ilvl wanan boost my dps and not sure how to do so im kinda new to bfa rogue
jolly star
get items 😄
strange python
get gear
stark echo
check the pin too
strange python
your item level is way to low to start thinking about specific ways to boost dps
viral valve
Thanks Buck, didn't realize whirl would beat out gutripper. Just gotta farm those echoes for more expedients.
strange python
No problem 😄
spyglass is a good trinket if not raiding yet shud i go full crit mastery
SOMEONE BE MY MENToR
I would suggest to look at a wowhead guide
got 100 more dps xd
strange python
u can use both daggers
basically same dps
what daggers are go to? i got the 2 from ad m0
mellow berry
So I go for 3SS? and above that? for corruption severe and strikethrough? I thought haste is preferred with garrote and rupture. Any hints on essences? sorry for the questionbombardment :X
viral valve
Huh, I must have done something wrong with earlier sims, I definitely don't have two of those daggers lol
wary ice
the exsang build on raven holdt is for single target
for m+ the standard is to go crit/mast 3ss 3eb
but to be honest u can get pretty creative with builds depending on azerite
unborn otter
Running the bleed build currently with only a rank 2 expedient currently. Baseline, without procs, I sit at around 34% haste. Is that still too low? Have all the traits needed for azerite. Parsing in purple in heroic.
strange python
You should sim yourself
I dont think crimson tempest is better than poison bomb at 34% but I could be wrong
unborn otter
Even if CT sims/is worse than poison bomb, I'd rather run it in m+. Really dislike PB as a whole.
wary ice
ct will outperform pb in any 3+target situation
strange python
I thought u meant raid since u brought up heroic logs
unborn otter
But yeah, mostly just running bleed build to break the monotony of MA and double dose
wary ice
but with high enough haste CT will beat pb on st as well
unborn otter
Oh, I did. I thought the CT comment was towards me
wary ice
It was lol
strange python
Yes
unborn otter
Oh, ayy lol
strange python
because at high enough haste it outperforms PB on ST
unborn otter
That's good to know though
strange python
but if u want to min max you should sim yourself
unborn otter
Ye, I plan to eventually, but my guild stopped mythic prog so I'm not worried about min maxing as much. Just curious if that amount of haste was worth using with the bleed build
strange python
hey anyone know where i can get azerite gear that has shrouded sufocation and echoing blades? can't seem to find any
wary ice
vendor
strange python
the specific pieces?
is it worth saving up 20k or just trying to get one at random
type 2 bomber jacket
with 4k residuum
randoms imo
wary ice
- I believe you can sim wheher its worth saving 2) always save cause u want gorak tuls over basically every other option in shoulder, raid included, 3) it wholey depends on ur current gear set up and ease of access to 480s from raid
elfin saffron
what trinkets should i use for bleed build i see alot of vita/kR
strange python
Helmet: Cowl of Fluid Machinations
Shoulders: Gold-Tasseled Epaulets, Extravagant Epaulettes, Pistoleer's Spaulders
Chest: Type ll Bomber Jacker, Raiment of the Blighted Tribe
pieces with EB and SS
strange python
lemme look xd
only one vendor helm
Other shoulders are Pistoleer's Spaulders
there are 3 shoulders o.O
wary ice
🤷♂️ i got the # right but the distribution wrong T_T
strange python
unfortunate for people who need helmet xd
strange python
I got goraks on my first buy this tier x)
wary ice
my first 3 rolls were cowl, extravagant, type 2
neon berry
Stat prio in mythic raiding? So stuck for stat weights
strange python
haste > mastery with bleed build
wary ice
so now i keep saying im going to save for goraks then not and rolling more shoulders and crying
strange python
Damn dude
wary ice
Sang gang almost
lean marten
unborn otter
I've rolled 5 Cephalohide Jacket's. 😤
unborn otter
strange python
now I just need helm for exsang build
dire spoke
just kill raden ( :
red bloom
I’m using my HC raden helmet cause raden still hasn’t dropped a fecking thing for me and now my guild won’t be relearning for a little while, at least til nzoth wipes get boring...
royal lantern
cant you get the engineering head....?
upper cradle
how much crit should i be aiming for? I have 39.65% just standing here
tropic ocean
grizzled jay
420.69% crit
grizzled jay
the sim answered your question, crit is your best stat
wooden monolith
Hello I’m new here and got referred to here by a buddy I’m current struggling to find which corruptions to get that are BIS for my char specifically.
strange python
raid: expedient, m+: severe/strikethrough
wooden monolith
But when I sim it tells me crit is higher stat weigh doesn’t that mean severe would be better? Or just stay 7 expedients and I will be good?
grizzled jay
Haste gets better as you get more Haste.
When you have low iLvl, crit is the best stat pretty much across the board for most classes because crit gets more value when you have bad stats. But as you can scale other secondaries better, they can catch up and/or surpass crit.
wooden monolith
Okay sounds great thank you for the info. So I should work on getting gear that has haste/crit? And just stack exped? Im more worried about raid regardless anyways
grizzled jay
Worry about getting to the point of raiding first, then work on perfecting your character after
woeful minnow
that's the goal yes, but it might take a while before that sims better than whatever you have at the moment
the expedient build is pretty much your endgame but if your ilvl is low at the moment you probably won't see any increases in DPS from 1-2-3 pieces of expedient, all this stuff pretty much improves exponentially with your number of expedients and your ilvl
strange python
but if your gear is low why would you buy corruptions for it
and not just bank for endgame
we all made it without the vendor
wooden monolith
I am 7/12M and 478 item lvl and sim at around 98000 on patchwork but I’ve been stacking crit most of the time I’m just looking for guidance on how to pull more as we get the harder bosses
grizzled jay
Well don't expect to get near BM Hunters or Mages, Rogue as a class just can't do it without some build that has high variance. 98k is very good, the gap between you and a top parser is probably just Corruptions
wooden monolith
Okay cool thank you all for the info. Ima grind and keep siming! Much love!
hollow jolt
I've seen rogues go like 2 to 4 gushings again
for raid
with the bleed build
thoughts?
sullen pagoda
its worse than going expedients
viral valve
Gushing on 485s can be debatable, or if you don't have enough expedients.
strange python
aight i got meme beam essence crucible and breath what shud i put in major
shrewd night
Beam major 
strange python
if the tanjks keep the boss still its op
i have to get the enrgy to farm the honor one
and the nazjatar
shrewd night
Beam major is a huge feelsweird.
sullen pagoda
viral valve
If those are all your options, go breath for ST, but you should really get clf or blood
You can grab formless void and steal blood or clf as well
viral valve
Discussion is just what to use before he unlocks those
strange python
i got two days off inc in 3 days from now on im gonna farm all i need
im currently gonna run junkyard 2 for the essence
im only a noob tryna improve
wanna get good at rogue then do end game in sl
trinkets wise i think spyglass and loaded dice?
cause i dontreally raid
well til i move server
is it worth getting one from nazjatar? the essence i mean
grizzled jay
Lucid is the best minor in the game for I think every single spec in the game lol
fair sail
hi
dire spoke
it doesnt really matter what major you run if youre in char progression, nobody expects shit from blue essence toons
dont Stress it
fair sail
Does anyone have the gushing wound build?
strange python
yeah but im actually tryna get good at this would like to haveeverything set up first
manic harness
so I just got a 465 Plumage but it isn't simming super well, I'm assuming it stacks well with Expedients?
or maybe I just suck at simming, idk
fair sail
strange python
how do i rank up the npc who follows me in nazjatar?
lean marten
check wowhead guide on nazjatar
mighty hatch
Hello, can i sim dung slice as Assassination ?
balmy condor
viral valve
It's often better to try to examine logs from high keys than trying to sim for m+. Changing pull sizes and durations between different dungeons, comps and affixes means that whatever sims you run will differ a lot from real situations
fleet whale
that one random rogue using Master Poisoner on Vex...
last gyro
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
surreal vale
Hello ! i have a question about Shadar fight on Mythic
When shadar cast the slug with the 100% slow reduction. My question is if Shadow cape works with that
strange python
what one of them WA is btter?
harsh sphinx
it's more of a personal preference thing. try a few and see what you like. i prefer the first one 😛
strange python
any good addons?
unique gorge
k
pseudo hamlet
@strange python I'm using Event Horizon instead of WA to track poisons/bleeds and it's really useful, plain and very simple to use.
clever perch
Hey guys, I’m working towards the SS exsanguinate build and was wondering around what levels of haste does it start simming well?
vast forum
no specific number
pseudo hamlet
42% for me. But everyone has different gear.
vast forum
it will depend on your azerite/trinkets/other stats
clever perch
I have the 460 plumage and running vita for raid, 3 SS azerite pieces, my bis mechagon rings but only 2 expedients
Rank 2
astral tiger
Before a mythic cara chest, is there a second best chest with a SS trait from the vendor? Or would it just be a heroic cara chest?
clever perch
Type 2 bomber or darkheart robe @astral tiger
astral tiger
Aight ty
verbal sparrow
How fast dots tick when you have 7 expedients, hero, and everything just procs good ?
like, while bursting
fleet whale
half second, maybe even lower
verbal sparrow
that must be pog
even now I have think I've seen 0,7s max and I have only 12/12/9 expedients.
fking vendor, i want my expedients back
manic harness
At high level, why does Shrouded Suffocation become so good that 3 of them are necessary? Exsang builds or does Garrote scale that well?
fleet whale
it's crazy amount of haste we get from expedient
and more haste means more garrote ticks... which makes SS really good
also, 3 SS isn't actually neccessary to preform well. You can still do really well running the traditional DD Toxic Blade build
verbal sparrow
I think the most huge difference between another classes that are basically dotters is that SS gives you that damage to each tick, not just your final dmg
lean marten
bleeds and poisons are hasted now
verbal sparrow
at least I think Assa is the now only spec with traits like this
verbal sparrow
I'm excited about shadowlands but since I started on BFA and traits do such a huge difference especially on rogue that I'm quite scared aswell if I will like some of the changes. I'm quite that kind of person that hates huge changes lol
@gritty yew check pins, there should be bis guide on assa from Raz
shy dust
Rogues in general don’t have traits that make up such a massive difference as you believe.
In comparison to actually broken traits like Blaster master and test of might
gritty yew
can't really find it
verbal sparrow
Since we've had a bunch of questions about the Expedient + Exsanguinate build, @scarlet sequoia was kind enough to write a guide on the topic.
Please reference this if you want to quickly get up to speed on details about the build and rotation:
https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-exsanguinate/
this
gritty yew
oh, was looking for the general build, but thanks, works well
astral tiger
I don't know if there really is a "General build"
I think it depends on what you have or what you don't have
verbal sparrow
yea, I think the most general for you will be just to sim yourself and adjust. that's quite true that it depends what you have
civic forge
do i need to use expedients with the m+ assassin build with EB/SS at all or can i just use my outlaw gear (severe/strikethrough)
strange python
I can't wait for CT to sim better for me to try on aoe fights and m+ in tyranical weeks
Got the weapon from shrine dagger crit vers 465
shud i buy corruption for it ?
obsidian ruin
depends on how you play the game. If you have access to a mythic weapon, probably not, if you won't for a while just go for it
viral valve
You want the severe/strikethrough for m+
tropic burrow
anyone around 465-47o0 ilvl here?
Just wondering do you stay assassination for m+ or do you go outlaw?
shy dust
He said it as in for rogue especially make a big difference when rogue doesn’t have any really defining traits like other specs do
EB is a fine trait but not insanely broken given that you still need ample targets for it to be strong and useless on ST
Also you can go outlaw or assassination . Assassination does however need specialized gear for m+
fleet whale
if you're doing like KR
fleet whale
3 SS with no EB is fine
tropic burrow
Also you can go outlaw or assassination . Assassination does however need specialized gear for m+
@shy dust damn.... how do you sim yourself for m+? which settings you use?
prime void
Eb is a pretty set in stone requirement if you want to push keys
Doing casual keys sure
rigid eagle
also m+ isn't nearly as weird as raid right
like just
strikethru + severe
EB + SS
dont get haste
prime void
As soon as you start pulling keys like you should you’re not doing much without EB
rigid eagle
and bam ur good
tropic burrow
Whats this EB?
fleet whale
honestly haste isn't even that bad for M+ esp if you're just doing a weekly 15
rigid eagle
echoing blade
rigid eagle
@fleet whale i lose 10k overall dps for going haste in m+ lol
prime void
Not talking about 15s lol
rigid eagle
and i dont even have echoing blades to scale with crit and versa
fleet whale
you get more boss damage too
prime void
Uh huh
fleet whale
what i'm trying to say is that exp isn't terrible for M+
tropic burrow
do you use hidden blades then aswell instead of toxic bomb?
fleet whale
if you don't have like a seperate crit set
rigid eagle
yeah lol, it's even more situational than normal m+ sin
fleet whale
so if you can get your hands on a EB/SS azerite set
tropic burrow
which one is Ss?
tropic burrow
so EB+SS set is best for aoe? but does the chance increase or just the damage?
unborn pendant
Question: Is Crimson Tempest viable for ST for that Exsang build?
fleet whale
if you have really high haste
unborn pendant
How high are we talking?
crimson palm
imagine if there was a tool that could tell you whether it's viable for ur char or not
solar flicker
vital haven
someone pin a message
i think its like 60% haste or close to that when starts being better than PB @unborn pendant
delicate bone
Even then it doesnt pull ahead by too much, if you don’t want to use it, don’t feel like you have to because it’s slightly better
unborn pendant
I'm probably nowhere near geared enough to play the build quite yet, but I'm looking to the future.
I'd much rather play a build I have full control over than a build that is entirely dependent upon tendies.
rigid eagle
@unborn pendant hey at least ur not playing the NP+ VoP build lul
manic harness
@rigid eagle way to call me out bro
rigid eagle
lmfao im actually curious about how that build goes
rigid eagle
what even are the bis stats and corruptions lol
i think there's a limit to how often vop can proc right
unborn pendant
I don't know if this is even close to indicative of BiS, but...
My stat weights were so fucked with that build.
We're talking crit>crit>crit>crit>crit>crit>crit
unborn pendant
Yeah, crit was simming best for me and all my top gear sims with it actively encouraged me to stack all the crit in the damn world.
unborn pendant
I wasn't in a position to do so but iirc Severe simmed ahead of non-IS stuff.
Please for the love of god do not use that as an indication for what you SHOULD stack if you were to play said build though.
rigid eagle
lul
imagine going IS and VoP + NP
your dps is gonna go from like
150k to 50k
just show up to one boss and double everyone's damage
unborn pendant
The swings would be insane.
rigid eagle
then next fight ur doing less than tanks
viral valve
I really like the idea of stacking ineffables with VoP + NP
unborn pendant
I already feel super swingy when I'm playing the typical DD+TB build
viral valve
Not that it would be good, but it would be funny
rigid eagle
you know what's REALLY funny
IS actually isn't even rng with demon hunters since they get 10 trillion haste for free
meanwhile rogues have to spend our entire corruption budget just to get haste...
hero class gap i guess
royal lantern
i prefer stat% over shity dmg procs
the fact that haste% is able too open a new playstyle is better then "lel i do the same but i get a rng proc that sometimes does 40%of my dmg"
rigid eagle
lol its not sometimes man
royal lantern
ik how idiothunter works, dont need too explain it
rigid eagle
idiothunter is right man
legit one button aoe one button ST
unlimited mobility so they never worry about dodging sht
fleet whale
i've found IS 2 to be fairly reliable with my high haste build tbh
always ends up as 8-10% of my damage
elfin saffron
when do you use CT in opener? or do you not use it
lime edge
pretty sure u dont open with it
long portal
That's not what raz told me about CT
I believe he said G>R>G, then mutilate - if you get 6 cps use rupture, then m>m>ct
if you get 5 cp use ct there and m>m>r>exsang>bote
fleet whale
people sleep on ripple minor
long portal
I use it for mount farming all the time xD
shy dust
That uptime on vanish
cobalt pelican
every time i scrap for items i swear to god
i do like 3 bosses without stealth bound
cause muh scrap macro goes on 1
lime edge
has anyone ever tried using avoidant in pvp?
shy dust
Was Gorak tuls earned
Also I don’t see that being good and more better off asked in PvP channel
cobalt pelican
i don't think avoidance even works as a stat in pvp so
civic forge
i basically feel like that when im in dungeons, and for some reason the pillars like destealth me after i stealth going in or out of them
fleet whale
stack GW for pvp
lime edge
dont u stack vers%
fleet whale
eh, having some vers on your gear is nice
but i think now after the vers corruption nerf you just stack GW
prime void
You want vers on every piece. Get as many gushes as you can now, fill out the rest with vers amp
lime edge
that makes no sense
as many gushes as u can is every piece with gushing
no vers amps
crimson palm
No u dont stack vers amp
sharp swallow
Does anyone have a link to a build that isnt SS Exsang? or could tell me what other azerites/corruptions etc I could take?
chilly marsh
is there a aura / addon to highlight buffed garrote / rupture in exsang? a friend of mine keeps refleshing it wrong
glacial jasper
sims still not updated for crimson tempest in single target?
shy dust
It is
cobalt pelican
the sim was updated before anyone even played it
glacial jasper
ic even with 9 expediant 3s Ct still isnt comeing out higher for me but thats prolly just my mastery level then
cobalt pelican
doubt it's mastery related
are you well geared
like sockets
ilvl
etc
expedient count is largely irrelevant if the rest of your gear is assbutt
500% bonus haste on 200 starting haste is nothing
hoary snow
Hey for PvP would I put gushing on 465 pieces too or better put Vers on those? And would I use bad stats 475 with gushing over 465 bis stats with Vers??
Trying to get my rogue set up for some PvP but fairly new to PvP
main blaze
Speaking of base haste. What is everyone getting to before expedient is applied?
viral valve
I'm at ~2.25k or so before expedient/procs, and haste still sims highest
glacial jasper
@cobalt pelican this was in a raidbots sim for possible gear
viral valve
If you could link the sim, we could probably find some better answers
hoary snow
Is it possible to track with a WA of your dots are empowered by exsang/subter?
grizzled jay
I don't believe so
But Exsang should be pretty simple since you just pressed it and bleeds only last about 10s~ after pressing it
And Subter is only relevant in the opener and Vanish (and Sepsis into SL)
hoary snow
i'll take a look tnx 😄
modern cedar
Mine does for sure
hoary snow
oooh the timer does
modern cedar
I just use the bleed timers from the aura and remove the stuff I don’t want
hoary snow
sick tnx m8 =]
strange python
could you maybe pastebin me the garrote and rupture timers from it if you have them seperate?
so i dont have to import everything and mess with it
modern cedar
Ya need a few min tho I’m not at the comp I’m on phone
strange python
sure
prime void
@lime edge do you have enough echoes for 9 gushes?
lime edge
how much is gush
prime void
4125 iirc
lime edge
ive got 24k
so not quite
but im not even saving for gushing anyways
if u planned on buying gushing
ud have enough for 20
prime void
Buy some gushers
hoary snow
i feel so dumb,, i joined a raid guild,, went assa,, tried learn assa in like a day,, stuck with it for 2 months,, didn't like it as much as i had hoped,, now after quitting it, i learn all kinds of things,, like not to refresh exsang,,, i didn't know that's how the tallent worked -.-'' feels badm an
prime void
Then why ask lol
lime edge
gonna do pvp set after raid
modern cedar
@strange python https://pastebin.com/6FK7CPz4 i didn't have just the garrote and rupture separated sorry. If I send them without the "logic" part of the aura it probably won't work. This just has the spell icons tho so you should be able to remove the few that you dont want easily
warm parcel
rigid eagle
hey guys
thoughts on slithering loa helm for exsang build?
i tried simming with like rank 15 exped and exsang but 480 slithering loa helm is still hard shitting on 465 gibbering maw
don't have a 480 gibbering maw to compare tho..
yeah but gear compare option doesnt let me add 4x exped 3 to my current build lul
hoary snow
😂 for some weird reason at unlimited corruption, sims tell me tot go 8x exp and then 1x gushing on my 475 weapon 😂 while on other 475 pieces it's like, nah exp better
green forge
yeah but gear compare option doesnt let me add 4x exped 3 to my current build lul
@rigid eagle
Add these 4 expedient by code itself
wintry turret
fringe socket
do i want vers enchants for pvp
rigid eagle
@green forge ah that sounds hella hard lol
green forge
Pretty easy tbh
rigid eagle
barely an inconvenience?
green forge
rigid eagle
green forge
Just add it to the lign of the item (which have no corruption)
If it have corruption already, find the numbers & remplace it by the new numbers corruption you want
rigid eagle
i see lol
green forge
Pretty easy tbh
@green forge 😉
rigid eagle
oh bruh double dose + swirling sand is like 100 less dps than third SS + HoD lmao
wtf
slithering loa op
man imagine if we got SS + swirling sand instead
jesus
fathom swift
Double dose is not like a large difference to stacking ss on st with exsang build, its just once you add targets ss value skyrockets
forest saffron
Hey I'm new to the discord is there a chance I could talk to someone experienced in the channels abt rogue help
rancid bobcat
just ask here
forest saffron
So I have been building an entire spec ima 474 sin rogue off of icy veins, I checked my parses as I was only pulling low greens and was looking for some help
I looked into the top players and realized they all ran essangunate
How does that build work what's the stat priority and everything
vernal canyon
astral tiger
Both are usually pretty equal
There's a guide in pins for it
SIN GUIDE HERE-->https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-battle-for-azeroth-raid-dps/ FAQ IN PINS-->
forest saffron
Is that the new optimal build?
Or is toxic blade still better with sub 40percent haste
fathom swift
Depends on your gear, see how it sims for you but its prob not better with low haste
devout mirage
glacial jasper
I love sepsis skill from night fae, fight me
jolly bison
is mindflay II worth anything or should i just save for expedients?
arctic walrus
expedient comes up tuesday/wednesday so you should just wait
faint edge
would it be better to stack expedient for assas or stack severe if I go outlaw often
loud brook
has the vendor followed predicted patterns?
hollow bridge
@faint edge haste for st outlaw is fine, but you dont play outlaw for ST, so its better really to have 2 different gear sets, one with sev and one with exp
faint edge
i mostly just go outlaw for keys so just trying to decide whether to stack severe or expedient when its up
long portal
You wouldn't want exped for outlaw keys
wary ice
anyone have any info on the TTK build referenced in the pins?
arctic walrus
what ttk build
wary ice
hmmmm maybe i imagined it? I remember reading something along the lines of "theres also a TTK build due tot he ilvl of the cara/nzoth pieces"
and it said "but if ur able to get this gear you probably dont need help"
I cant find it now though lol
rancid bobcat
doesnt sound familiar to me
inner zephyr
anyone suggest any of the corruptions for sale now i should buy?
i only have twisted apen on my dagger and gloves
sturdy python
Depends on your cloak and stuff. I think someone caught up on cloak can fit 7 rank 3s and a 2 and be at 59 corruption right now
inner zephyr
im at 62 resistance on my toon
astral tiger
Do we have BiS rings besides mythic nzoth ring?
modern heart
mechagon rings
astral tiger
oh shit i forgot abou tthat
I have the haste proc one, but we want the "hit an enemy from behind" one right?
modern heart
ye
astral tiger
Aight ty
spark cloud
so i know theres a few different builds floating around, and a recent haste one going nuts, but which one is a better bet for average rating arenas and m+? i dont raid because i cant get a commitment to a raid time haha
spark cloud
yeah i figured unfortunately. i just hate having multiple gear sets and a ton of gear in my bag, makes me go insane
primal turret
What will happen when corruption resistance increase and we cant get the HoD Buff with full expedient? Twisted Appendague?
spark cloud
i say average rating arenas like 1500-1700 rating, for whenever my friend is on and he likes arenas lol. but i enjoy running m+ even if i havent gotten very high. does that haste build prevail in m+ or should i do another?
rancid bobcat
max resistance is 135 so if all you're concerned about is activating heart of darkness then you'll always be able to with just expedient 3
135+25=160
8 expedient 3 pieces
arctic walrus
max resistance with the correct build will be 55
gaunt aspen
how much haste ideally do you want for sin
long portal
All of it
gaunt aspen
so haste enchants and haste gems? 😄
long portal
For raid, ye. But you should sim. If you don't have a lot of exped or aren't playing exsang your stat prio maybe a little different
spark cloud
Anyone got ahold of a Pawn stat weights tab for the haste build i can plug into my pawn addon?
long portal
You can get that from raidbots by simming your character. Generally using stat weights is suboptimal to using top gear
arctic walrus
log is probably better if you want us to see what you can be doing wrong
gaunt aspen
yeah one sec
ive only been playing sin for like 3 days so idk what im doing really
lethal ember
thats risky Stick, i did the same and got shredded haha
there is a guide in the pin
or if you look at the sims ability thing at the bottom
and learn the opener
then its just maintaining bleeds and shit till you can burst again
(very brief explanation)
gaunt aspen
yeah thats what i figured
prob just need to work on my rupture and garrote timing
and trying to use my cps better
steep plover
How come sims dont tell me to stack haste? Is it cause i need to stack a fuckton for it to be better than crit and tb
lethal ember
@gaunt aspen looking at your casts in logs, you dont have structure to what your doing, you kinda just press things
just go to the cast list on your sim, stand at a target dummy and copy the sim, opener, maintain, burst, maintain
gaunt aspen
basically yeah lol
lethal ember
its just that over and over
unless your in end game gear
it doesnt get any more complex
long portal
I'm not sure how current it is, but wowanalyzer may help you with your logs
arctic walrus
carapace is kind of a bad log to look at, but regardless you have some pretty glaring mistakes
first of all, you are running a shrouded suffication trait without subterfuge trait, which is a big loss. You aren't opening correctly, your cds are misaligned and that could use some work. openers can be listed in the ravenholdt guides specific to what traits and talents you have
you overcapped a lot a lot of combo points with mutilate, don't do that, you finish at 4/5 cp and dont mut to full. Try to not finisher and then toxic blade, you want your bleeds to have a relatively healthy cd, get to 3-5 cp and then use tb, it is the only acceptable trait to overcap on, so you always have a big envenom to start it off
delicate bone
also, dont use vendetta to garotte and sprint away, thats a lot of wasted DPS right there. i know the boss phased at this time, but you should have some sort of add on with timers that you can keep an eye on to avoid big mistakes like that
gaunt aspen
yeah i use a weakaura to watch my cds and stuff
but to be fair this was my first time doing raid bosses as sin, so i was a little lost
delicate bone
to be expected then for sure, just have to learn the fights and get comfortable with the spec tbh
gaunt aspen
fairly comfortable with the abilities and stuff now so i feel good about trying to actually use my abilities right for next raid
viral valve
Well, carapace phases on health percent, so dbm won't track phase timing, just don't use cds when the boss is less than ~10% from phasing
spark cloud
how often does MOTHER's vendor rotate corruption?
delicate bone
tue/fri
spark cloud
okay thanks
gritty timber
is gushing wounds still good for pve and pvp?
viral valve
For pve: if you drop a gushing, keep it until you can replace it with expedient, don't buy them, though. For pvp: ask in #pvp
gritty timber
ok sweet thanks i bought 2 just before the vendor reset so i can still trade them back but wanted to check
astral tiger
If I use CLF with the exsang build, do i just use it every like 4th vendetta or whatever? or should I just hold the CLF for a minute for the 3rd?
viral valve
I believe the consensus is that you should use on cool down if it gets you another full cast. But if the fight is 4-6 minutes, you won't lose a cast by holding
indigo elk
do we hold exsang im guessing we dont?
viral valve
That's answered in the guide
tropic burrow
this is my mate
running exangui buld with 7 gushing wounds
note that this is multi targed
but still
so far as ive heard expedient 3 is the best corruption to get atm
can someone correct me if im wrong?
lilac sparrow
How can I simc 3:30sec battle? I knew the way with advanced simc but forgot...
viral valve
Expedient outperforms gushing by a large margin once you stack enough of it. Raz's build gets higher than that on ST
tropic burrow
Expedient outperforms gushing by a large margin once you stack enough of it. Raz's build gets higher than that on ST
@viral valve whats enough? 4 of em or even more?
rigid eagle
@tropic burrow i mean exsang doesn't have any interaction with gushing
idk why you wouldn't just run vigor + tb
tropic burrow
dunno, thats his new build from few days ago, ill ask him when i see him online
fathom swift
what do you mean "his new build"
when he said the first gushing on a 485 piece was simming about the same as the 8th piece of expedient for him?
fathom swift
you're gonna have to be more specific than wednesday
tropic burrow
when the vendor gotten up he went and bought 7 gushing wounds and replaced all his corruptions at that time
he then (i think) switched to exanguinate
im not 100% sure, ill need to check with him when he gets online today
fathom swift
o i thought you meant raz not ur friend
fathom swift
a guy people like to copy gear from dw
tropic burrow
Raz got expedients from what ive read like 5 or 6 posts above?
rigid eagle
@tropic burrow basically haste scales ur bleed
tropic burrow
and proces aswell?
rigid eagle
eh depends
tropic burrow
someone told me it also scales how often your corruptions will proc
rigid eagle
massive haste definitely takes a bit of rng out of infinite stars
fathom swift
but yeah with gushing nerf expedient is just better when you're running exsang