3 garrote or 3 Fok for M+ if you cant get both
#assassination
inner leaf
arctic walrus
garrote
desert pelican
Depends on dungeon too. Probably if there is chainpuls and key is high enough 3eb probably stronger
vast forum
no
never drop SS
there are no dungeons where you chainpull so much that eb can outperform ss
unborn pendant
So how long have our bleeds been affected by haste?
Because I learned this two weeks ago and this was the biggest revelation of my life since learning that Garrote was usable outside of Stealth.
cobalt pelican
start of bfa is when it was reintroduced
unborn pendant
Am I delaying Vanish+Vendetta for Exsang, or am I just using them on CD after delaying Vendetta for Vanish 2?
languid talon
where does bote fit into the rotation for subterfuge opener? after vendetta or before
glacial jasper
A lot to type cas so here’s a link https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-exsanguinate/
languid talon
https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-battle-for-azeroth-raid-dps/ looking at this guide but it doesnt say when to use bote
also if i dont have echoing blades azerite, for m+, do I just open garrote x3, then keep rupture on all targets and focus one down?
glacial jasper
The one I linked says what to do, so I’m guessing you didn’t click it:p
Garrote 3 spread bleeds with fok combo points on 3+ targets I believe
rocky ibex
vital haven
thats the end game
arctic walrus
more sockets, betters trinkets, more expedient, less than 59 corruption cuz 67 isn't that realistic, not running vision major cuz it's heavy rng and sucks on anything that isn't pure st, and gorak tul's
unborn pendant
Dumb question, but if I'm running the triple NP build with VoP major am I using Razor Coral on cooldown, or alongside every Vendetta?
arctic walrus
always with vendetta
acoustic trail
If I only play M+ which corruptions should I aim for?
boreal maple
crit % and crit dmg
acoustic trail
That's what I figured
obtuse perch
is the exsang build strong in junkyard? Anybody took it into high keys?
spring topaz
i've been running it in 16 - 19keys
rancid bobcat
I doubt it
indigo cloak
is it better than outlaw?
unborn pendant
I have no idea why THIS BUILD, of all things, is the one that sims highest for me.
indigo cloak
you need more haste for SS build to be stronger in ST than this
strange python
Vop major was simming better than my DD build aswell for a long time
spring topaz
I did a 110k overall in motherload 16. Just by running default raid gear. And i dobt like outlaw so thats perfect
indigo cloak
i had same "issue" .. but i just bought expedient II and its way stronger
@spring topaz with 3xSS + exsa ?
and bunch of haste?
spring topaz
Yes and 2hod and bbi
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eGZgVMkXzUxRL2rQzh6Fcg had crimson instead of poison bomb
Crimson sims 300 dps more in singletarget
And bote ofc
spring topaz
Outlaw is more for the utility not the dmg sin don’t have that tho
balmy condor
outlaw is for m+ when the tank doesn't let you restealth
I personally can't stand outlaw just because of playstyle, but they have the m+ dream
so much cc
indigo cloak
but, assa also have blind, cheap shot and kidney
outlaw have only blind, cheap shot and between the eyes
and slow from deadshot
balmy condor
and gouge
strange python
Gouge
indigo cloak
gouge a ye
spring topaz
Gouge is big
indigo cloak
true
sullen pagoda
cc isnt even comparable imo
rancid spade
but sin has IRON WIRE!!
sullen pagoda
xD
ebon forge
guys quick question, im currently at a rating for 1601, ive played arena last week and i got a 460 ilvl, now ive finished my conquest bar and got the reward this week ( a wrist ) and it says on the weekly cache at the arena tab ill get an item of 445 ilvl
am i missing something ?
faint harness
You probably didnt play enough arena games
You need to win a game at that rating to get the ilvl in the chest, quite sure
ebon forge
im challenger atm
tropic ocean
did gw nerf get removed from nightly?
storm perch
gw nerf should be on the next reset
faint harness
It was put in simc last week
strange python
that uses weekly
faint harness
^
tropic ocean
oh wow im dumb af
I forgot when I hit sim again, it will use my sim-settings and not the original ones
and was like wtf is gw simming so good
last gyro
how to use CT on st tho ?
like do you use exa with ct
or just refresh ct shortly before it runs out
apply after exa
spring topaz
after
crimson palm
use it instead of envenoms
last gyro
ok
yeah that was what i was wondering
thanks for the help
when to refresht tho at what second like so for rupture it's 7 seconds to get most out of it
heavy lark
On single target with x3 shrouded are people opening with double garrote>rupture.... or Garrote>rupture>garrote>Mutilate>rupture?
tropic ocean
garrote rupture garrote
lilac sparrow
simc consider server latency..? I play 3ss exng with 51% haste and my energy always bursted during exng + vita time... but simc say more expedient is best
tropic ocean
as in guide
heavy lark
its feels bad when mutilate doesnt crit?
prisma monolithBOT
sick oyster
!guide
tropic ocean
simc consider server latency..? I play 3ss exng with 51% haste and my energy always bursted during exng + vita time... but simc say more expedient is best
@lilac sparrow you can see latency used for the sim in full report
heavy lark
yeah, do you use poisoned knife or another mutilate for the builder if you only hit 5 combo points before exsanguinate?
storm perch
is expedient/exs build work in m+?
sick oyster
Depends on dungeon level affix grp etc etc
storm perch
noticed one thing, that if you spam fok on trash, your energy regen with exp pieces is way more higher, than fok can consume...
tropic ocean
that but also haste just doesnt scale as good as other things on aoe
wet ruin
@last gyro you know that 10% is not applied to the garrote the same way subterfuge is right?
heavy lark
@wet ruin the idea is to still have subterfuge up when you apply that second garrote
wet ruin
I know what the idea is, just the way he is saying it suggests that he thinks the 10% is for the whole garrote
tropic ocean
yeah, do you use poisoned knife or another mutilate for the builder if you only hit 5 combo points before exsanguinate?
no
heavy lark
so you dont use another builder? you just use exsanguinate into a 5 point rupture?
mortal umbra
is it worth buying expedient 9% instead of using a second GW corruption? this would mean i might not get TD rank 3 if it is buyable next lockout?
last gyro
wait wtf when did I say that ?
heavy lark
a 5 point is 24?
last gyro
I know that subtefuge is betterb ut having both % more
why wouldn't you want that if you can have it
nah
it's not
if you applied 3cp rupture before :P
tropic ocean
@heavy lark but you refresh it in pandemic?
last gyro
^
heavy lark
@tropic ocean i was being stupid
tropic ocean
like when my rupture has 5 sec left
and I refresh it with 5 cp
it will be 29s rupture
or smth like that
heavy lark
yeah im with you now thanks for the help
that mutilate not critting feels less of a cuck now
tropic ocean
well with current gear levels in 2 mutilates the chances are very low that it wont give u 3 cp with 1 anyway
balmy condor
@mortal umbra not sure I get the question. Exped is probably the better corruption single target after GW nerf, and if you’re trying to get TD3 then you shouldn’t buy expeds to begin with cause you clearly care about your m+ set
tropic ocean
but even then in tc theres some discussion going on that u can garrote before anyway and then you'll have enough cp
Pre-Exsanguinate it will attempt to Garrote -> Max CP Rupture -> Exsanguinate regardless of existing Garrote duration, if Garrote is available in ST and adds won't spawn within 6 seconds (minor 0.4-0.6% gain for ST Exsanguinate to do this when it aligns)
balmy condor
Honed 3 only good once you have a ton of exped tbh
Kinda rippy
But imo not that awful
glacial jasper
Are there any weak auras that pop up a shiny icon for rupture garrote ct with enough time to exang, and even shinier for when vendetta is off aswell, I’m. It super good with WA just yet
analog phoenix
bote before exsanguinate or after?
strange python
after
analog phoenix
ty!
glacial jasper
Or maybe one that pops up a shiny exsanguinate icon once go factors are met with rupture garrote and CT durations being long enough
whole mantle
feral creek
does they fix exsang? exsang is now working on CT too @here
sharp snow
sterile quartz
I am still playing 3x DD + 3xNP cause I dont have good azerite gears for garote build....so I think is still viable
indigo cloak
my guild mate is playing DD and NP build with appendage and infinite star, and sometimes we are at same dps. But i have only 38% haste
but most times i do like more 5-10k dps
it depends on rng procs of slappy bois and infinite stars
but i like SS build a lot more, i just have that raw haste = dps = no fkn rng like infinite star and slappy bois
sterile quartz
But you can play also haste build with DD and NP or not? More haste =more energy=more mutilate with DD damage? Thats how I play now
Actuatlly I have 55% haste
sterile quartz
I did a 110k overall in motherload 16. Just by running default raid gear. And i dobt like outlaw so thats perfect
@spring topaz and you have only SS or also EB traits? 3+3
indigo cloak
but SS is just overall better for fights with 1 or 2 adds
glacial jasper
After changes to the night I am simming ds exang ct as a break even for me so I suppose I’ll run it cause I prefer it anyway and better aoe
Next time expedient 3 is up I’ll be able to buy 5-6 of them
sterile quartz
I personaly dont understand how SS build can be better for single target than DD build...you have to wait 2 mins for vanish but with DD you have still dmg. Or could somebody explain me?
glacial jasper
Because numbers
It’s only a little better
Soo do as you wish
I like exang
I play
loud silo
killed mythic cara tonight but no loot, big sad
main adder
How does this look: Corruption 54 - Expedient 3, Severe 4, Strikethru 9, Twilight Dev 1
lone junco
Just a little bit of everything
@sterile quartz look a the damage profile of an SS exang build. Vs a DD build. You do so much damage in the open and vanish. DD is neat, but just more constant. I personally like the heavy peaks. They can line up at specific times.
tropic ocean
@sterile quartz whats the difference between doing 200k dmg every 2min
or 50k dmg every 30 sec
winter gale
High end exsang build vs high end MA build? I saw some ppl simming 100k patchwerk with exsang build
Are they simmilar or should we all aim for the expedient exsang?
red bloom
high end MA? pretty sure at this point loads are all playing (or at least sim better) with Subt regardless or playing TB or exsang
mellow pier
Since u can target corruption expedient with ss is the way to go
void pecan
There's like a 1% difference between dd and ss exang IIRC
mellow pier
TB or Exsang doesnt make much of a diff tbh but exsang is honestly easier
void pecan
But exang ss is better for not just single target
mellow pier
Also CT is = in ST which it makes it the right choice for most fights
mystic crest
when do i use galecallers with exsan?
faint harness
before pressing it
mystic crest
ty
sweet rampart
how many echos are you guys getting on average a week?
faint harness
well i think i got about 16k this week
so far
thats with almost 0 farming
its full raid, emissaries, visions and weekly boxes
sweet rampart
emissaries - 1750 a week, + 12 bosses that give a minimum of 50 - 700, visions - 750 if you full clear, then for assaults isn't it 1250 a week?
how did you get to 16k? lol
jovial haven
100x max key from previous week, 15x key level (as many as you can run), plus pvp box (I get like 800/we for just world pvp
strange python
I haven't checked but how much echoes do u get from arena
jovial haven
Not super hard to get to 16k if you grind some dungeons
faint harness
Raid is more than 750 iirc
I think ive done 2 m+
which is 500
I got 2000 from the m+ key and 1000 from pvp
sweet rampart
wait so if you do a +15 key, you get 1500, if you do 2 +15 keys a week do you get 3000?
sweet rampart
is there any other sources to get coalescing visions? Besides the dailies in each assault?
faint harness
nope
jovial haven
War mode 😋
sweet rampart
if you do dallies and assaults each day, you can do what 4 to 5 visions a week?
long portal
5 or 6, yeah
sweet rampart
Also i am not skilled enough (maybe geared enough?) to full clear a vision yet 😦
I can do 3 wings, but run out of insanity on the 4th wing sadly and need to go kill windrunner
lost swallow
What corruptions are you guys getting ? I was thinking 2x 12% haste, 1 mindflay and then idk
long portal
for raid, i wouldn't buy a tendie. just save for r3 exped
sweet rampart
any tips for full clearing visions? Or did you guys not run into much trouble? I have been watching videos, and ill keep practicing
high nacelle
gear swap for bosses helped initially
sweet rampart
between aoe and single target?
faint harness
early on you need to minmax ur orb usage
sweet rampart
what really messed me up this week was i think shaw? I am not sure the mechanic with the little eye things that pummel you with lightning
fathom swift
you need to face away from them
sweet rampart
ahhhhh, that makes sense
wet ruin
I would say skip mobs where you can, but that is mostly for org I guess, since the majority of mementos come from chests during and after the vision
sweet rampart
org starts tomorrow i think, so ill start researching videos on how sin rogues clear that
wet ruin
you will mostly find full clears at this point
sweet rampart
is it gear dependent ? Or does the vision scale to you?
faint harness
gear matters
wet ruin
gear matter at the start yes
faint harness
its a joke to most geared ppl atm
5 mask as well
masks are not important for echoes farming tho
sweet rampart
ahh that might be part of it then, i am only 557 i think
sweet rampart
err
yeah
😄
hope to get more gear this week in heroic, stupid ra-den gave me the wrong damn trinket
desert kelp
is there a "BiS" gear list that you should aim for with the exang expedient build? like m+ items to aim for etc
west cove
how long till next expe3 in vendor?
west cove
thanks for info
frigid briar
EXPEDIE: 3 0 0 2 1 0 0 0
MASFUL: 2 1 0 0 0 3 0 0
VERSAT: 0 3 0 0 2 1 0 0
SEVERE: 0 0 2 1 0 0 0 3
Each column represents the rotation #.
Kudos to Imfireup from <Complexity Limit> from cracking the code.
Now to see if it holds!
sweet rampart
4 rotations
frigid briar
2 weeks yeah
desert kelp
4 rotations, 2 rotations per week
huh, so I actually calculated it right myself, sweet
sweet rampart
I feel like i shouldn't have bought exp 2s lol
desert kelp
You need 1 exp 2
frigid briar
its hardly code
desert kelp
and 1 honed mind 3
frigid briar
problem is, it might not follow the sequence after one full cycle
desert kelp
so if you don't have HM3 yet it's currently on sale!
sweet rampart
unless i can sell the 3 exp 2s i bought, i won't have enough 😦
desert kelp
Start doing arenas then ;)
glacial steppe
wondering when you actually want to go for honed mind tho, prolly kinda late i guess
faint harness
if you play the game you'll afford a bunch of exp3s if you start saving now
tawny ingot
Long shot but does anyone have or know where I could find the energy/CP/CD’s weakaura from this old dratnos video
glacial steppe
old version of afenars rogue WA iirc
faint harness
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
sweet rampart
@faint harness ima try real hard to have as many echos as possible for 2 weeks from tomorrow 🙂
frigid briar
why honed mind? did something change?
long portal
Its in the guide, for when we have 150cap corruption resist /shrug
For my current sim, full exped sims better than 1 HM, though
faint harness
think its a thing if you have very low mastery
frigid briar
Id have guessed RP or VR 2
long portal
It's not really that interesting, gcb was always sick for exsang tbh.
Without vendor or extreme luck, you'd never have enough haste to make exsang good, though
faint harness
Yea i know
But GCB was recently fixed to work better
In which it gained about 1000 sim dps
(fixed as in.. SIMC APL)
long portal
Yupyup
lime edge
long portal
luckyducky haha
mellow pier
Wasnt lucky at the time
long portal
i bet you were pissed xD
zinc furnace
what exactly was fixed about GCB? sorry missed news in my cave
mellow pier
I actually got plume and GCB first 2 weeks
long portal
i got dice and azerite from my first weeks boxes, pretty tilting
mellow pier
Now im sitting on 2 475s lol
Good to go
@zinc furnace apl
Its used better in sim
zinc furnace
ah ok, i thought some in-game changes to it
long portal
I mean, if you're raiding mythic there arent a lot of options outside of luck
tribal obsidian
Yah but outside the 485 pieces you can get the others from m+ weekly chest right
mental tulip
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees
tribal obsidian
Just wondering if its worth adding in some severes if you get a decent amount of crit
mellow pier
It just depends on what u have available
long portal
Every exped you get will just make haste more valuable
tribal obsidian
Yea thats how stat mods work
mellow pier
Not really my haste goes down
When i get more lol
It wants me to gem/enchant crit/mastery when i get more expedient
long portal
It goes down by point of haste, but each point of haste will be giving you multiple points of haste. Make sense?
tribal obsidian
Even after removing things like lucid?
mellow pier
Lucid still sims higher for my gear
long portal
lucid doesnt give haste, it gives % energy regen. But at bis setup, you drop lucid also
tribal obsidian
Yes because the energy is devalued at high levels of haste
long portal
similar to how we drop vigor for DS
umbral scaffold
It's worth dropping 4 CP envenoms to get EP uptime on Exsan right?
tribal obsidian
I got a socketed gcb from weekly
long portal
thought they couldnt roll sockets?
mellow pier
@umbral scaffold just rupture before u exsang
U have EP up
With exsang rolling no way u run outta energy
tribal obsidian
They def can
umbral scaffold
No no it's not running out of energy, more that EP can run out before you get 5/6 CP for envenom
long portal
Ive been unlucky with corruption, not surprising to be unlucky with free sockets too xD
mellow pier
I never have ep run out
umbral scaffold
So i was wondering if dropping the 4 CP envenom to refresh EP would be worth
tribal obsidian
I believe i got crit haste pants with a socket too from weekly
wary ice
You have 4 globals to get at most 3 muts out
tribal obsidian
But i had to yeet siphon off them
wary ice
How are you running out of time?
crystal blaze
In quicksim, raidbots use vanish before vendetta around 2:25, is this not a dps loss ?
tribal obsidian
For exang?
crystal blaze
Yup
mellow pier
I honestly have not looked at the actual apl for exsang yet lol
crystal blaze
And the rota is garrote mut garrote
crystal blaze
Nop
wary ice
Are you like 3x Dd 3x ss?
mellow pier
Theres no way u mut unless u have dd
crystal blaze
I'll send a screenshot
lean marten
post the sim
mellow pier
Idc what the apl says lol
lean marten
not hard
tribal obsidian
Even with two DD and one SS mine tells me too rote rup rote
lean marten
still b4 exsang thats normal
wary ice
Its cause u have rupture up already
So ruptures not pandemic, and 3cp isnt worth env so mut fills the global to build
long portal
omegalul
tribal obsidian
Oh thought you meant opener
wary ice
Same lol
lean marten
for subt vanish is just for fatty garrotes
wary ice
Yeah I think u vanish pre vend because u can then get more damage abilities into vendetta
While still fitting most of the exsang duration into it
U lose like a second
Could be wrong though I'm a monkey
crystal blaze
I thought we were supposed to use our second vanish cafter vendetta
long portal
I know it doesn't answer your question, but what you're talking about is so insanely small
one way or the other
lean marten
its the same order as opener on pull pretty much
crystal blaze
Guess i still dont know how vendetta really work after 5 years x)
lean marten
except vanish is stealth
wary ice
And u mut over rupture because u already have a rupture running
Using rupture there is literally the same as skipping the global.
leaden lichen
Its the same as opener you just dont vanish garrote at the end yeh?
lean marten
yeah
Master Assasin talent and Subterfuge talent affect how to use vanish
depends which one u use as how to use vanish
long portal
MA hasn't simmed better than subt for a long time, for me. Even with no SS traits
wary ice
You could consider using mut before vanish
tribal obsidian
Even with DD spec
crystal blaze
Yes but i always tought that if you vanish before vendetta your garrote wouldnt be buffed
wary ice
That's some 2006 shit dude
long portal
vendetta doesnt snapshot
wary ice
Snapshotting is in the past and on cats
tribal obsidian
And cameras
wary ice
And technically haste on exsang
crystal blaze
So when i press my vendetta, all my current dot got the 30% buff ?
cobalt pelican
yes
crystal blaze
Damn
agile spire
i cannot think of a time where it has been diffrent tbh
maybe back in bc or something like that
crystal blaze
I just didn't think about it before
long portal
Like I said before, the difference is really irrelevant /shrug
lean marten
opener and burst rotations can be the difference between +-20% dps
hardly irrelevent
long portal
If you scroll up, you will see we're talking about pressing vanish before or after vendetta by 2 globals.
fickle zinc
If i go full expedient corruption, should i use double dose or shrouded suffocation
wary ice
long portal
Depends on your gear, mostly. They are very close to eachother
tribal obsidian
SS would pull ahead even more with an extra target right
long portal
surely
tribal obsidian
Id always use SS if they are close
unique gorge
Which Stat should i prioritize crit or haste?
Do i need vers or doenst really matter?
Pve
long portal
Depends on your current gear/corruption, really
crimson palm
on how many targets casting CT takes prio over rupturing individual targets first?
tropic ocean
3+ afaik
mellow pier
I honestly dont run exsang on things with that many targets lol
Too much to worry about
manic pebble
do 32% crit
22% haste
44% mastery
2% versatility
looking good for you guys?
void pecan
my sims tell me to keep using DD 
buoyant ridge
hi guys, a question, I have two mind flayer a expedient at 3 and one at 2, is it convenient that you purify a one mind flayer and put another expedient at 2 and 3? Thanks
vast forum
sim it 
unique gorge
On a Single Targets*
jovial haven
It’s easier than TB. Once you exsang you can leave that mob to go to others. TB locks you on the target for its duration
strange python
Sup Guys, shall i buy some Expiedent 2 ? or spent all on expiedent 3 ?
wary ice
i mean 3 > 2
so unless ur progging on something and need a boost asap, spending currency on a lower form of something is a bad move in the long run
that said if you're filling expedient 3s, you need some 2s to balance out the budget iirc
IDK im not doing it so i didnt take too many notes :/
tropic ocean
can buy 1 exp 2as u'll need it later anyway
strange python
kk 😄
tropic ocean
rest I'd save
cuz if u want to play m+ and/or arena
you've got a lot of echoes to spend
strange python
just for raiding for now
outlaw will come as second 😄
Is there btw a Double Dosde Guide, cant find one yet
strange python
ty sir
honest basin
What's seen as the best build corruption wise for M+ as Assa now that we kinda have the choice ?
long portal
Crit amp/crit damage, from what i've read. td so fun, though xD
honest basin
Is there not a crit cap at which point other stats, such as mastery, become more valuable ?
long portal
That I'm not sure of, but if youre using crit amps and crit damage amps, its going to keep pushing the value of crit /shrug
buoyant ridge
i mean 3 > 2
@wary ice
but as an expedient to 2 you can put more .. then more statistics
long portal
biggest thing to me is the vendor cost. its only 850 more echos for r3>r2
paper kelp
yes
but also stat wise exp 2 isn't worth more at the corruption resist we already have
long portal
I'm done with prog, so I'm just saving for r3s. Everyones gear/circumstances are different, though
long portal
Yeah, just depends. If i was still progging I would take the upgrades now, as we're not likely to see r3 for at least two full weeks from now
wary ice
Not being able to turn shot corruptions into dust is especially mean
Purifying should give echoes
Cause I've gotten 8 avoidance from haste from my visions over the last 3 weeks
And that's just rude
white ermine
what Sim options are you guys using to sim for M+
long portal
r6 td 😄
tropic ocean
@white ermine 6 mobs ~40sec-1.30 fight duration
and td is not so good on assa
in comparison to crit/crit dmg
white ermine
thanks @tropic ocean
void pecan
Crit % isn't for another week and a half too. Sad.
tropic ocean
patience is key for success
frigid kestrel
@void pecan Is this true? Where did you see that at?
long portal
All conjecture at this point, but we'll see
balmy condor
Yeah
viscid onyx
tender folio
R3 Sever should be here in 2 days
balmy condor
If he’s right
tender folio
For myth+ sever and strikethrough are bis atm
Now it depends how much crit you got since at the breaking point strikethrough takes over
But you cant make a mistake by going more crit either way
long portal
Wish I didn't need different things for every aspect of this spec 😕
long portal
Needing 3 sets of gear with sockets and corruption isn't "interesting" imo
void pecan
Isn't mastery on friday?
tender folio
Ah well , good thing i stopped raiding 😄
void pecan
and crit next friday?
void pecan
according to the "cracked" code thing
balmy condor
Reset twice a week
rancid spade
honey mind rank 3 ?
balmy condor
What about it
long portal
Don't do ittttt
languid sail
what is the max ideal crit % for m+?
wary ice
100
tender folio
Well there is no cap but after 60% you have options to optimize
gray crest
are you sure its severe 3 next reset?
tender folio
It should be
unborn pendant
So how many viable playstyles for this spec are there? I've seen the typical Double Dose build, I've seen the 3xSS+Exang build at higher gear levels, and a triple NP+VoP Major build is simming higher than both for me.
gray crest
it looks like vers2 expedient 1
unborn pendant
Apparently there's a formula that might've been cracked
Masterful 3 next weekend, Severe 3 the following weekend.
unborn pendant
It's probably true tbh
tender folio
We will see
long portal
Imagine putting corruption on a rotation : /
unborn pendant
I don't think ANYONE wanted it to be on a rotation lmao
long portal
Some blizzard idiot that doesn't even play the game did 🙃
tender folio
So by this it means r3 sever would be on 13th of June
I rly hope that's not the case
frigid kestrel
Should i stack up on Strikethrough? Im looking at logs and homeboy is top on almost every key and thie....
visual pawn
Is razor coral still good for assa?
frigid kestrel
Looks like alot of the top Assa in Raider IO and Logs are stacking it though.
thikning about to yolo buying these sums of bitches
long portal
Crit damage>crit amp at a certain point, thats why you're seeing that.
And yes coral is still good. Plumage and galecallers are also good
tropic ocean
@frigid kestrel because you only want as much crit to reliably proc 5 echoing blades per fok which varies depending on how much crit you already have and how many targets you are fighting
so the higher your critical strike chance is the less severe you will need and the more strikethrough you want to stack
frigid kestrel
so at %50 base crit before food or crit procs i should be solid
tropic ocean
u can sim in raidbots roughly
as you will not always fight the same amount of targets
frigid kestrel
I mean ill sim, but that should be enough to keep EB up
tropic ocean
at my rio-level usually always fighting 5-6+ targets so I will sim that
and build from there
which will result in overcapping at higher target counts but
who cares
But even then in some weeks ull have so much things that u can increase/reduce severe on a per dungeon basis
tropic jackal
Hey guys if I'm planning on moving over to 3xSS exsang build should all of my pieces of gear ideally be haste/Crit and haste/mastery
valid spoke
You want to aim to put expedients on pieces with haste yeah?
tropic jackal
Also I'm not at the point where I can reliably get givbering maw mythic . Should I roll for helmet or save 20k
tropic ocean
you want to aim to put expedient on the combination of what sims best
tropic jackal
Yes but I've seen some of the top parsers have expedient on pieces like Crit/versa
tropic ocean
Also I'm not at the point where I can reliably get givbering maw mythic . Should I roll for helmet or save 20k
@tropic jackal
a question you need to answer yourself
As you are still progressing might as well gamble to get powerspike now
tropic jackal
Hmm good point
tropic ocean
cuz from my pov, bis helm is from raden, what would I need to save 6? Or 8 weeks for a helm that I wont use for anything anymore cuz raid is either over
Or I can get raden helmet by then
And even if I gamble a wrong helm, might get m+ helm who knows
tropic jackal
Yeah you're right thanks for your input. I didn't think of that
ember mural
gambled so many shoulders still no gorak tuls 
tropic jackal
:(
tropic ocean
gambled so many shoulders still no gorak tuls
@ember mural
Got 2 can give you one 
tender folio
After seeing everyone with strikethrough it seems its a better option then to wait for r3 crit %
upper jasper
Inevitable Truth R1 worth for more vanish? Or nah?
tropic ocean
After seeing everyone with strikethrough it seems its a better option then to wait for r3 crit %
@tender folio no
tropic ocean
well then you are most likely in a position where strikethrough will be superior to severe
but that just comes down to individual stats
tender folio
True, well it's 500 dps difference on 3 targets with strikethrough for me
tropic ocean
will get higher the higher your target count is
tender folio
So it's pulling ahead
tropic ocean
Cuz less crit needed the more mobs u attack
tropic ocean
the uptime is gigantic
But with your amount of base crit mastery proc might be good too
tender folio
So many options xD
tropic ocean
yeah 😁
feral creek
Im playing full expediant in M+ with vitashard and ToS Fabg trinket👍🏻 and it fucking amazing to play😂
CT is so much dmg
magic thorn
Hey guys, when looking at striketrough vs severe how to do you guys personally decide what to pick?
I did a 6T 40s sim and Strikethrough puls good ahead.
I understand that the sim calculates the crit from bote, traits and coral but im unsure if i want to trust it.
Here is the Sim: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hgFammDRimMqWjZh7S4U4o
feral creek
And the trinket is heavy OP in BIG pulls
chilly marsh
so blizzard fucked us exp 3 will only come day 26?
cobalt pelican
that sim doesn't really show
strikethrough pulling ahead
it's a healthy mix which is usually what seems ot be best
it's severe11 strikethrough13
feral creek
75corruption i dont think that us the way to go🙃 but st will be pulling ahead at much targets because EB allways crits
magic thorn
@cobalt pelican i meant to say it pulls ahead instead of full stacking severe. if i would stack full crit% i would be arround 80% baseline and could somehow guarantee everything would crit always.
The 75 corruption is to so i can calc how much strikethrough i want to buy tommorow before reset so i dont have to wait after that for the next cycle
cobalt pelican
a severe/strikethrough mix seems strictly better than a stack of either
tender folio
Indeed
prime void
@cobalt pelican depends on your base crit typically
magic thorn
Ok on my boots i currently have TD 3 and on some dungeons i like it alot because it does insane dmg with my crit. Would you consider it worth it to purge it or get some other boots and socket them
cobalt pelican
i imagine base crit will somewhat sway which one is weighted slightly heavier but overall it probably doesn't make a big difference
tender folio
Here is my little monster that i just made now with combining strikethrough and severe , its for 3 targets 40 sec
lone junco
they even spend cps at that point? just fokfokfokfokfokfokfokfiokf
prime void
Depending on targets, typically just rupture on 3, and then fokx3 and finisher for EP buff
tender folio
Well im sitting on 62% crit right now
lone junco
legion we were running like 75%
was nice, but rupture damage was much bigger. so ep mattered.
magic thorn
why did you simmed 3t and iris major ?
magic thorn
yeah thats why i thought about stacking full crit
tender folio
Im lazy to farm blood , chill 😄
magic thorn
so i can st mut env mut env on bosses and have still good aoe
lone junco
i like it, cause haste for raid, and crit for keys is dumb shit
if you take a 3% loss but can PUMP in cleave, its still a good move imo.
magic thorn
So you would suggest going strike ?
lone junco
im not suggesting anything, just here jerking off in the peanut gallery
lone junco
i dont have bote either
lone junco
all 3 of my guys are sitting on 0/1 pvp island.
balmy condor
y i k e s
lone junco
went healer before it was relevant
tender folio
Well it takes some time to farm it and im super lazy for pvp
prime void
Well just think of it as facing npcs, that’s about how stupid most players are in BGs
tender folio
Haha indeed , well I will run out of the things to do so in the end might even get bote xD
long portal
You don't have bote? >_>
tender folio
Nop :/
long portal
I think they even nerfed the honor for it xD Just farm bg week. It's not that bad to get
Or slowroll it, and just get 1 win every day for the bonus honor
gloomy slate
tender folio
Well bg week is from Wednesday , hope I'll have some free time to farm it
long portal
You get like 1k honor a day from 1 win on a normal and and epic bg. Not counting bg week
pseudo hamlet
Can someone help me?
Sims shows that to beat my current gear I need 3x Expedient III, socket and... deeper strategem talent(without exanguinate!).
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uTMaZ1ngAoCX42owrZmj96
It's weird because I did expect much more DPS gain with 3x haste bonus, I even raised the corruption to <60(was <40). Maybe I did something wrong?
long portal
Try swapping your azerite to SS/Hod - SS/BBI - SS/Hod
pseudo hamlet
I do, it's showing under the TOP and current gear.
sullen pagoda
you are expecting big gain but not playing the meta 
long portal
with exsang
pseudo hamlet
Forgot about the azerites. 
plain jewel
What are best corruptions to buy for M+
Severe/Strikethrough?
pseudo hamlet
Thanks! Will prolly swap talents/azerites when we finally get the expedient vendor 🙂
long portal
You'll have like 3 more sockets by then too 😄
sullen pagoda
also gameplay is so much more satisfying
i was ready to forget my rogue after prog
but ss build is giga fun
jade lantern
Should i buy this weeks Severe II or wait for Severe III?
jade lantern
okok and what about other corruptions, fow big ST dps should i just stack as many severe as i can?
sullen pagoda
you go for expedients
tropic ocean
no matter if dd or ss build
sin has a lot of pooling by default
with a lot of haste u make that empty gcd window very small
long portal
severe is for keys
tropic ocean
<5%
jade lantern
Yeah i meant expedient, im stupid
tropic ocean
so for a easy explanation
hitting 5x for 2k will be superior to hitting 3x for 3k (values made up)
static cove
does opener change at all when running CT over PB
long portal
It's the same every xpac tbh. Haste is always king at the end, for assa
sullen pagoda
eh cant really say that since classes are nothing alike
tropic ocean
its not
jade lantern
So i should try to get as many expedient as i can then? no severe, Infinite stars, etc?
pseudo hamlet
@sullen pagoda the 465 Gibbering Maw with SS/HoD/Overwhelming Power sims even higher! https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3EVSK2y4Nw9M4KAeF9M5iL Gonna roll with it now 🙂
frigid kestrel
Yea in legion Mastery scales dumb high in the end game
sullen pagoda
thats actually a giga gain for 460 piece
damn
wait wtf is this meme https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wezmaJf5gvXjmWBCazXRsQ CT sims
languid talon
Ss is better than dd for single target now?
long portal
leggo bracers helped mastery a lot
winter gale
Guys anyone knows how long it will take for full cycle of corruptions?
How much more tire I have before Expedient 3 ? 😄
Time*
long portal
2 weeks from tomorrow, if I had to guess. Give or take 1 cycle
long portal
With no info from blizz, no way to know for sure. But assuming its a rotation where all corruptions become available before they repeat, it's either 2 or 2.5 weeks
little root
did anyone have any preference between cheat death and elusiveness for shad prog?
or does elusiveness not even do anything for shad dmg
long portal
That's what I was just typing, the damage from impact is aoe anyway, I'm pretty sure
little root
okay I figured that jsut wasnt sure if anyone played elusiveness for a specific shad ability
long portal
Your only threat of unavoidable death on Shad is blood impact and not being able to be healed in p2. Not really an elusive fight, imo
balmy condor
long portal
Yup, it's possible for sure.
balmy condor
big disclaimer
long portal
Like I said, without word from papa Ion, no way to tell.
I wouldnt put it past blizz to put some rng on their rng, but that would be pretty toxic of them.
balmy condor
for all we know, blizzard could see the datamine, and change the vendor rng on reset
drifting light
Yeah, haha
balmy condor
hotfix the rotation
drifting light
Yo, I heard u like RNG so we put RNG on ur RNG
long portal
Wake me up when bfa ends 😴
little root
RNG^2 oh baby u gon make me act up
sullen pagoda
thats not even a "datamine" thats a streamer trying to predict the rotation but i guess that sounds less clickbaity for wowhead
long portal
The info on wowhead is not from firedup
his theory is based on 4week rotation from what I saw
sullen pagoda
This speculation was based on ScheduledWorldState hotfix data originally found by Dorovon from Big Dumb Guild.
its 2nd sentence
long portal
Ahh, different streamer different theory
drifting light
This one pushes exp 3 further 2 weekish
sullen pagoda
o it actually is different
sullen pagoda
it was my bad afterall @long portal
long portal
It's all just speculation, anyway
long portal
vendor will probably be broken tomorrow when they patch some irrelevant shit anyway
sullen pagoda
like idk they are actually being full
"nerf 2" bracket, 1 corruption nerfed and its not even nerfed the nerf is delayed
long portal
logs this tier have been pretty dumb anyway, more so than usual
long portal
What I want to know, is when is Blizzard going to add boots for the mythic Dashing Scoundrel set 😠
cedar ore
What happens if you cloak before the Nzoth buff expires at the end of the fight?
rancid bobcat
still get mc'd
long portal
Once the bar is gone, theres no comin back xD
rancid bobcat
most mc effects go through cloak
at least drest/nzoth does
i mean it makes sense that it does, otherwise immunities would be even more broken
cedar ore
Bubble works
long portal
Big brain, buy them right before reset so you can sell back 😄
But unless you're going to farm a lot, that's not really the play imo. Not for me anyway, I need to buy like 6 exped3s and that's 30k echos
long portal
Get maledict for drest, imo
prime void
How is plumage better?
rancid bobcat
at same ilvl
prime void
Ooh does it?
long portal
Ive seen that before on gear too actually
sweet rampart
plumage is harder to get though 😦
prime void
Interesting I have 470 and 465
long portal
like one pair of gloves having 1 more total stat
rancid bobcat
plumage is definitely not harder to get unless you're 2400
prime void
Plumage is much easier to farm
sweet rampart
lmao
prime void
2100 = 470 trophy
sweet rampart
this discord man, i asked like 3 days ago and there were 2 people in here for sure saying to get medallion, it is much easier
lolol
oh wells
long portal
Easier is relative, I guess. If you're farming wins at 2400+ you could get a random drop trinket. But surely its easier to look in LFG for 14+ kr keys
long portal
gale is probably better anyway 😉 #enjoyfarmingsots
prime void
^
sweet rampart
I can't 😦
prime void
That’s the lowest effort option hehe
sweet rampart
luck will not be on my side
if you had to choose between the 2, which would you guys choose?
prime void
The one that would provide more dps given my goals and build 🙂
However plumage is amazing in keys
GCB is not.
I’d go with plumage
sweet rampart
plumage is only slightly below gales right raid wise?
long portal
Depends on your gear, i would suspect.
plush remnant
Do you delay exsang to line up with gcb?
long portal
The thing people dont like about gcb is the circle on the ground, but most of its damage comes from Exsang snapping the haste, the rest is kinda meh
I'm not sure what the apl does tbh.
rancid bobcat
I'm not sure if they've done anything more with galecallers but plumage was doing better last time I checked
sullen pagoda
meh just get coral
prime void
Fuck coral
long portal
yeah my coral still sims better at the default 5mins
plush remnant
But if you don't know that for certain. Is the general rule delay them or use on cd
sullen pagoda
at least for my gear getting 465 plumage is nowhere close to a 450 coral
almost 2k dps loss iirc
long portal
I would think you delay exsang to line up with second gcb, yes but I'm not sure
plush remnant
Need one of the big brains for this lol
long portal
at the end of the fight, you just need to pay more attention to when the boss dies to determine what you save to line up, as always
There isn't going to be an easy answer, as it will likely come down to not missing casts - ie fight length
plush remnant
That's what I assumed. Was in a pug and hard to tell fight lengths there
long portal
Yeah, i have to look at my raid from last week actually. fights were a lot faster since the vendor
night vale
When playing exsanguinate we want to let the garotte and rupture fully tick down before refreshing right? if i refresh early ill overwrite the exsanguinated dots?
rancid bobcat
Coral is fine for like progression and shit but you want a plumage for farm for the short fights
Unless you don't care about parsing which is fine
sullen pagoda
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/n6oftBUJFLD5ALQLnXEsKx on a 3min fight its 430 difference and thats with adding socket to it
having coral doesnt make you "not care about your parse" lmao its not going to impact your parse almost at all
prime void
That’s a think
long portal
surprised I dont see more fonts/double on use on these short fights
scarlet sequoia
vita proc before 1st exsang is worth more
prime void
Raz are you still tanking to farm
Or did Graycens teammate getting a ban scare ya away from it
scarlet sequoia
just doing boosts now
prime void
Lol 2 birds with one stone
scarlet sequoia
yep yep
prime void
The amount of games played I have sickens me lol
rancid bobcat
Boost me raz
long portal
They banned people for tanking for echos?!?
strange python
guys actually twisted appendage isnt work for pve ?
prime void
One guy says it was due to echoes
A lot of ppl at that level will boost for real money tho
long portal
ye thats true
scarlet sequoia
if ure eu sure @rancid bobcat
rancid bobcat
glacial steppe
CT got mentioned a lot past few days, mainly in combination with the exsang build... something I dont know yet?
wet ruin
you can check #tc-research and #tc-updates
vast forum
sim CT vs PB in single target if you have high haste
glacial steppe
@wet ruin thanks, didnt knew such channels exist tho
wet ruin
kinda the most important ones 😄
vast forum
@void pecan IS 2+1 is 75 corruption, 3x haste is 60 and also, IS is fuckin garbage in reality on most bosses
void pecan
I have a gushing too
vast forum
if you use IS on any boss other than shad'har or MAYBE xanesh, you're literally inting your raid
void pecan
Keep in mind, alliance, dead server, also 3 bosses of mythic only
vast forum
that doesn't make infinite star do more or less damage
if you use IS on maut, there's a 50% chance each of your procs will hit an add that's being tanked in africa and not give a stack to the boss
void pecan
You see, that would be right if my raid did maut like they should..
vast forum
so, your raid just walks all the adds into the boss instantly?
void pecan
More or less yeah 
void pecan
Just gotta wait until next haste % comes to by more to switch to bleed
tribal obsidian
6x r3 exp only sims me at like 97k but 2x r3 exp and 1x r3 stars sims 101 🤔
cant seem to get haste stacking to outscale shitty stars
long portal
Because you're simming 1 target. Everytime IS procs on a random target is basically wasted.
IS is a simtrap, if you're not simming your actual fight conditions
tribal obsidian
oh i thought the haste build out performed IS on even ST
prime void
😓
long portal
I dont think anything would beat IS, assuming sick procs.
fleet jacinth
when does 3x SS and sang build win out?
stable isle
when it sims higher for you
drifting cloud
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dense blaze
Why does Raz's guide say Gibbering Maw has Overwhelming Power
my b I am looking at chest lmfao
rancid bobcat
gibbering chest
rigid eagle
im kinda curious, when we say "high haste" on this channel, what's the threshold for that lol
rn im at 40% haste flat, and TB is still simming like 200 dps higher than exsang
cobalt pelican
i have around 70% unbuffed and my gear isn't 100% optimal
but it's not like tb ever really falls that f ar behind from haste
it's more like shrouded gets better
rigid eagle
is the third shrouded the most important one then
cuz im 2/3 shrouded rn, and i've tried adding 2 more exped 3 to the sim but TB is still ahead
cobalt pelican
are you at 2/3 shrouded because you['re playing
nzoth shoulders or
cause if not you're likely running de poop azerite
drifting cloud
for me at 53% haste nzoth shoulders sim better
but bleed isnt miles ahead of normal build or anything, its just super gear dependant
and it plays better (imo)
rigid eagle
@cobalt pelican im 2/3 shrouded because my luck legit just sucks lol
471 ilvl according to the dungeon finder, but i haven't gotten a single helm over 450 that has shrouded
it's actually kinda baffling
plush remnant
I have 2/3 shrouded and exsang still comes out on top
rigid eagle
yup, but it feels REALLY good when you speed up
drifting cloud
probably your lag tolerance setting @uncut cloak
rigid eagle
it's like getting adrenaline rush on sin
drifting cloud
set up too high
normal sphinx
exsang only sims better if I have 8 expedient 3. Sooooo its only 1k difference
how are people getting 111k
frigid briar
Sockets neck level bis stats on gear
drifting cloud
do they sim 111k yet? isnt that with more corr resist
frigid briar
Im simming 103k over 5 mins im sure theres some people that were around 108k
Might be higher now
rigid eagle
also, if sim is telling me to stop building haste and get more crit when im only at 40% haste, that means i'm screwed right
cobalt pelican
yep your character is doomed might aswell delete it
frigid briar
Hard to say, you got haste mastery on all slots?
You probably dont have enough exp ranks
cobalt pelican
you can just link a sim but it just sounds like you probably have butt azerite/base gear and are aiming for big
which is a fine strat but you just have to accept that weird transitional phase
minor nebula
how can i be the best sin rogue in M+ i dont uinderstand which stats to get
vapid scarab
crit
rigid eagle
@frigid briar i'm far from hast mastery on all slots lol
kindred temple
@minor nebula I think echoing blade and crit build?
rigid eagle
@cobalt pelican ur right about my azerite lol
kindred temple
finding sin rogue mythic guide have been difficult in general
minor nebula
Crit haste or crit mast?