59 for raid
#assassination
balmy condor
lean wing
oki
balmy condor
39 for m+ usually
lime edge
yea
i do 39 m+
except that my guild doesnt let me go over 39 on our weekly heroic run
lol
balmy condor
pussies
lime edge
ikr
paper kelp
I wish
paper kelp
but one of the officers is an ass and looks at everyone's damage taken on wipes
lime edge
paper kelp
and you have the mega apes of my guild dying to their corruption and that isn't helping my case
lime edge
honestly, assassin is kinda op against thing from beyond
lean wing
i came to conclusion, play set up you prefer more. for example, i want 2x non-usable trinkets. fuck sims, i never be in Method level anyways
^^
but ofc sim myself
just not be fanatic
sweet rampart
is it normal for breath of the dying to sim higher in major slot over blood of the enemy?
real solar
@lime edge did a rough sim on my phone, you don’t have the gear for exsang yet
paper kelp
it sims higher if you dont have it in minor because of corruption resist
real solar
And get breath r3
real solar
Ya
sweet rampart
@paper kelp ok that went slightly over my head, DO i need to have it selected in my top gear in the minor slot and just have BotE as the major? Just trust that BotE is better?
paper kelp
have botd selected minor
or an other corrupt res essence
otherwise botd major will always sim higher than bote
paper kelp
should do
sweet rampart
does BotE sim higher on patchwerk over BotD?
sweet rampart
hmmmm nope 😦 it still is saying BotD is better as a major than BotE. I must be effing something up
drifting cosmos
sweet rampart
Anyone wanna take a look at my sim? 😛 and figure out why BotD is higher than rank 3 bote?
bitter hinge
If the sim is for sng target why are use using subterfuge? if you are still gearing play MA
patent topaz
MA with 2x ss 
bitter hinge
yh but playing ss on sng target in general /:
serene sierra
harsh sphinx
bitter hinge
No, the "dream" is a combination of DD, NP, HoD and 1 blightborne
sweet rampart
And i am using Sub because thats what sims tell me to do lol
...you ask this discord 2 hours ago and everyone said SSx3 lol
bitter hinge
Yh if you are using ss then subterfuge would sim better but generally you wanna use MA. dont just look at top logs
strange python
???
mighty elm
you use SS with expedient gear
bitter hinge
yh only if you have stats
sweet rampart
Alandria you are literally opposite of what i have been hearing all day lol
drifting cloud
because hes wrong
strange python
Just sim yourself
bitter hinge
if you are still gearing up the MA is better
strange python
Raidbots can give u answers we cant
sweet rampart
Well shouldn't raidbots be putting my rank 3 bote ahead of botd :P? I am confused why it tells me to use major botd over bote, most everyone uses bote in nyalotha don't they?
mighty elm
you do no dmg thats why
flat reaping flames dmg will be better than aplifying your "no dmg" with bote
quasi pewter
Botd is good
sweet rampart
gotcha, so eventually BOTE should overtake once i gear up more
quasi pewter
Propably, not sure how long botd is better if ur not playing exsang though
vital haven
so CT even in ST
mighty elm
dont think he had anything better ryler
drifting cloud
probably, didnt really go indepth into a 50k sim
mighty elm
drifting cloud
literally just play the game and sim as you go
cobalt pelican
ct being a gain st is actually like
kinda nice when i find a bind for it
but finding a bind for it is fucking awkward
scarlet sequoia
its awful to use in the opener
no idea if i did it right
just did normal opener and and didnt cast ct until after 1 envenom in blood dmg increase window
crystal vault
was it just a try, or did CT sim better than PB ?
scarlet sequoia
@crystal vault its being worked on rn for sims
nothing in raidbots yet, just decided to give it a go
ah okay @cobalt pelican just felt like it was a waste to use it in blood window
tropic ocean
wouldnt you want ct to benefit from exsang too
feral creek
what? CT in singletarget?
feral creek
so its actually better on movementfights i guess too
cobalt pelican
it's p much equal to pb for me at 53% haste, 5exp3 2sev3
vital haven
and i got like 50 or 60% haste
cobalt pelican
changing to 6exp3 1sev3 pushes ct ahead by ~200 dps
and i imagine the gap just
grows
to the point the bicc geared people are like ~80% base haste
scarlet sequoia
mega hard to have 98+% uptime on it tho
vital haven
do you need to refresh ct before every exsang as well?
cobalt pelican
afaik from reading kojis post you just
ignore it as far as exsanguinate goes
besides letting the exsanged one fall off
before reapplying
scarlet sequoia
i didnt unless it was semi natural
cobalt pelican
you don't force it at all
tbh if you had to fit it into the opener exsang
i'd prolly not play it
purely out of disgust
vital haven
LOL
cobalt pelican
idk the pandemic for ct even
scarlet sequoia
i had no WA for it so was just random as fk
crystal vault
One Button more, 1 bleed more, with that amount of haste, idk sounds cool
cobalt pelican
there's so much cleave anyways it's a pretty big win if you can just play it everywhere
FREE damage
lime edge
for m+ do i just use dslice?
feral creek
@scarlet sequoia CT does around 1.5M dmg in a fight while Poisenbomb only does 133k so its quite good i guess^^
scarlet sequoia
sure but youre giving up using envenoms
strange python
With 1 additional bleed masterful should gain in value no?
scarlet sequoia
masterful is pretty shit compared to expedient
but yes the mastery stat should gain value
so you'll probably want less crit
strange python
So we go for haste mastery lets gooo
lime edge
whats special about tmr?
strange python
New raidbots nightly i believe
strange python
Koji is working on the CT ST build afaik
prime void
Just get 400 more?
solar flicker
Wtf we shilling CT now?
tropic jackal
does anyone know how raidbots decides which pieces of gear to use corruption on?
solar flicker
Literally only ever see poison bomb lol
tropic jackal
or can I just put them on whatever piece i want to
solar flicker
i like the playstyle tho in m+ at least
loud light
serene sierra
c(b)t
leaden lichen
can someone help me understand why this is so fucking low? Sockets+stupid helm? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hv7jEuJXUjLXvhQkTLnab2
rancid bobcat
yeah you could use more sockets
throw it in gear compare and see how much full sockets gets you
arctic walrus
exp 2 not 3s, wrong helm, low sockets, no mecha set, no plumage, no 485 daggers
leaden lichen
raidbots refuses to put 3s
so weird
I changed to DS and it put them in this time
arctic walrus
what makes +/- a minute any more accurate
cobalt pelican
are you on the weeds
lime edge
most boss fights arent even 5 minutes
cobalt pelican
groundbreaking.
lime edge
arctic walrus
most boss fights aren't a patchwork either, that's whack
lime edge
EXACTLY
drifting cloud
in fact theres only 1 boss named Patchwerk 👻
lime edge
but i meann
shut pollen
does someone have the new list of coccuptions sold by mother or can point me a site where I can check for myself?
lime edge
plenty of fights are like patchwerk tho
real solar
not really
arctic walrus
It's almost as if it's a simulated environment
lime edge
ur just constantly dpsing
lime edge
what am i supposed to say to that
leaden lichen
real solar
lmao
cobalt pelican
i sim 3min for basically all of the patchwerk fights early in the raid
and sim 5min for
all the rest
lime edge
SEE
cobalt pelican
?
real solar
but
lime edge
MINUTES MATTER
real solar
your meaning of patchwerk
lime edge
real solar
is completely wrong
lime edge
elaborate
cobalt pelican
it rarely makes any difference outside of essence value and occasionally some traits
cobalt pelican
and tbh you can more or less do essence value without the sim at this point
lime edge
dont minutes affect long cds too tho
drifting cloud
can I get a custom apl for a 165s fight
lime edge
like vendetta
drifting cloud
and another one for 193s
lime edge
and vanish
drifting cloud
yeah well thats not 193
cobalt pelican
frick
real solar
193 or riot
lime edge
is vanish more dmg for the exsang build or the regular crit build
lime edge
i would think the exsang build
lime edge
but idk
real solar
still not 193
drifting cloud
is that precombat clf
cobalt pelican
yeah i was checking
how bad it was to not precombat vs bote
and just using our reclear lengths
drifting cloud
too bad rock man doesnt wanna shot bolt
cobalt pelican
idk which boss took 192seconds
glacial jasper
Plumage with vendetta is 👌
drifting cloud
vendor pls give exp2
lime edge
y tho
cobalt pelican
next week i only need
lime edge
u better not buy more than 1
cobalt pelican
an extra rank 1
so expedient 1 this cycle or next is hot
2 would be cool too though
echoes are legit so easy to farm you can buy whatever the fuck you want and be fine
lime edge
coral op
drifting cloud
sigh guess im not getting rid of it even when I go xsang
cobalt pelican
that is one of the things that made me start simming 3min for the first half of the raid though
prolly not if you have a biggy one
drifting cloud
since mine has a socket and im prolly putting a socket in plumage as my literal last item
cobalt pelican
it's like -1.7k on 3min cause of the lost coral use which is kinda relevant if you care about reclear parses
lime edge
just drop it
drifting cloud
unless I get it from weekly I guess
lime edge
duh
cobalt pelican
and i think the distance gets bigger for the bigger geared ppl
my gear kinda the poopoo
lime edge
if ur gear is poo
drifting cloud
gcb, heart and dice from weekly, clearly next is either talisman or plumage
lime edge
then idk what mine is
lime edge
homie out here with mythic azerite pieces
cobalt pelican
but the simumalations
drifting cloud
id rather uninstall
drifting cloud
galecallers
lime edge
oh
lime edge
ez
lime edge
why tf does gcb even give speed
drifting cloud
wheres your illgy shoulders
drifting cloud
wait they do
last crown
how do you get warlords trophy?
cobalt pelican
i get really lucky
last crown
random drop+cache?
cobalt pelican
with sockets
i'm legit sat on about
15 socketed pvp items to upgrade slowly
trophies are either from your weekly box, or from obtaining 40 commendation things
of these items, both daggers wrists vita boots came socketed i think
drifting cloud
like its easier for me to put a corruption on a non ideal already socketed item
than to farm the damn socket
stupid visions
cobalt pelican
yeah it's pretty rough
i actually need like 3 socketed sets now
one for outlaw one for raid and one for pvp
which means a lot of visions
it's ok one day i won't be playing the most scuffed azerite in the universe
arctic walrus
how many of these were bought
drifting cloud
or how my warr is now sitting with a nzoth socket weapon in bags
while simming like 102k like a total pleb
last crown
how do you get commendations?
cobalt pelican
2 per conquest handin, 3 per week from call to arms quests
last crown
i got a 430 medallion and wanna just up this shit instead of KRing
good lord thats a lot
cobalt pelican
it's intended as the 'unlucky pvp gear catchup' but it's just kinda trash
you can get sigils from end of game, which will also upgrade it
but to a worse ilvl
if you're 1800 it's like 465 from trophy, 455 from sigil?
last crown
1800 seems low
im 1850 with two friends who have never pvped and are using auto-trinket
cobalt pelican
it just goes up and down 5 per bracket from there
so 2100 is 470, 2400 475
but ya you can't really just go farm a trophy
there's enough conquest caps now you CAN just do like
510395019510 conquest to get it
but it takes like 5 years
so..
last crown
so basically having this 430 trinke tmeans i get fucked unless i got a trophy from a cache which is a random chance?
cobalt pelican
bretty much
last crown
fantastic.
cobalt pelican
just do your conquest cap once a week and do your weekly win at 1850 or whatever
and maybe you get lucky
it's not super rare to get a trophy
but it's not super common either
last crown
whats the cap on conquest?
i keep charging through these reward bars and not sure if thats a catchup mechanic or cap is loose
cobalt pelican
it's just 1 bar per week, but if you're behind they like
let you do all the way up to current week
in 1 go
surreal solar
does the guide apply to M+? or just ST?
arctic walrus
you talking about exsang?
lime edge
unless
surreal solar
rip
scenic nacelle
poggers
fleet whale
another piece of the puzzle
last crown
max bis corruption was 1 piece of exped 2 and the rest as exped 3? or did we need expeds 1 as well?
fathom swift
Its gonna change week to week as cap increases
teal kettle
if you're stacking crit for m+ should you throw in some strikethrough 3s with the severe?
last crown
isnt the cap already known to be 80?
minor thicket
So strikethrough good to buy?
fathom swift
80 corruption resist? Not afaik
charred harbor
ya thats what i was gonna ask, if strike is owrth it for sin
real solar
strikethrough is fine for m+ if you're mixing w severe
also depends if you're running TD or stats
charred harbor
but for raiding you want expedient right
real solar
raiding, expedient build
minor thicket
rank 2 worth it?
cobalt pelican
generally in the short term if you missed rank 3 you should just
buy rank 2
if you bought rank 3s, it's worth buying at least 1-2 2s
to cycle week by week
drifting cloud
it really depends how much content you do, because assuming exp3 doesnt rotate for rougly 3 weeks you can farm 30-40k by then
minor thicket
if i was only able to buy 1 rank 3 expedient
drifting cloud
unless you also have other plans to spend it on
minor thicket
should i buy rank 2 ? or more?
sweet rampart
i thought the better plan was to save up for rank 3s?
last crown
we basically need an exped 2 anyways for max, no?
isnt the full-bis setup 7x exped 3, 1 exped 2, 1 honed mind?
cobalt pelican
why are you worrying about max corr res
it's in like
actually 50 years
exped 2 will be on the vendor
4 times before then
scenic nacelle
if you play the game a decent amount you should be able to get enough echoes for exp 3 next time it rolls around
last crown
i thought max corr res was 80 on cloak??
sweet rampart
yeah i think i will just buy my 2, then save up for exp 3
drifting cloud
its 125
last crown
you can get your cloak to fucking 125?
fathom swift
Like i said its not 80
drifting cloud
quick maffs
fleet whale
wowhead posted about this awhile ago
cobalt pelican
unless you're very inactive in wow and your echoes income is so low you can't spend any ever
just fill your gear with exped2
fleet whale
it's like sept or oct where you reach max
cobalt pelican
it's literally the same as exped3 for now because you're not locked to item slots
lime edge
vendor reset, right
cobalt pelican
if you use rank 3s you have 2-3 items uncorrupted
lime edge
?
fleet whale
and by that point were gonna be pretty close to SL anyway
rustic fractal
Yes shax
lime edge
kk
rustic fractal
Exp 2
fleet whale
in us it reset
lime edge
oh yea
fleet whale
so you eu boys have to wait
fleet whale
holy hell raidbots right now though
fleet whale
i mean in the end it doesn't really matter THAT much
lime edge
yea prob not
fleet whale
when all your gear has decent corruption slapped on
you're gonna be powerful relatively speaking in the tier
fleet whale
well didn't you start rogue kind of recently
lime edge
yea
about a month ago probably
maybe less
i started the game in general like a month and a half ago
fleet whale
getting 15 should be easy just do visions
fleet whale
and you can kind of catch up afterwards with a weekly N'zoth and full vision clear
why are you saving those up lol
lime edge
no reason
fleet whale
you have plenty to get to 15
lime edge
each vision is one cape upgrade
fleet whale
and with the corruption vendor
the 5 mask piece of gear isn't even that important now
sweet rampart
takes me 2 visions to upgrade cloak 😦 am i messing up?
last crown
how do i get raidbots to allow me to sim more than 1 corruption?
lime edge
well, there u go
fleet whale
well eventually you have to do more runs to get a cloak rank
sweet rampart
i am conflicted, a lot of people in this discord were saying to never buy rank 2s, always just save up for rank 3, but now some are saying to go ahead and just buy all rank 2s now that it is on the vendor lol
minor thicket
if i dont have the proper helm is there anypoint in running the Exsan build yet?
lime edge
maybe u need the paid version to sim more than one
tribal obsidian
its based on how much corruption you have set i think
lime edge
thats mine
lime edge
weird
tribal obsidian
if you have locked in choices with corruption
last crown
i have corruption cap set to 100 and current corruption is 39, so idk if thats it
tribal obsidian
try selecting purify
last crown
did that too
tribal obsidian
oh
gray crest
if im playing the bleed build, what do i do when my vanish and vendetta dont line up
lime edge
but numbers still there
tribal obsidian
mine has 2
gray crest
not with VOP
tribal obsidian
so i reloaded the webpage and more contaminant numbers came up (not rerun sim but refresh webpage)
strange python
the bleed build doesnt involve vop
u mean the NP build with vop major?
otherwise u dont play vop with the expedient build
gray crest
Using bote major, VOP, breath, and dreams
last crown
someone with a working sim wanna sim me and see what 3x exped 2s would do? 🙂
lime edge
solid piece to corrupt exped 2 on, right?
fleet whale
Imagine how sluggish assassin is gonna feel
grave marsh
Is it worth it to stack expedient 2 ? Or should I just buy one for final build? I r a n00b
fleet whale
when SL launches and we lose all of this haste
frail jungle
that's what I have socketed and exp out Shax
rustic fractal
Yeah im just gonna kms and switch off it
Even if its not the worst dps wise i just dont know if I could live with how it will feel
last crown
SnD coming back will at least feel a little nice unless they nerf the spec for some dumb reason to compensate
fleet whale
SnD does little to nothing to speed things up
frail jungle
Pull -> Before P2 -> Start of P3 -> Lust but the last half is pretty dependant on your kill times.
drifting light
Tf mother has exp 2 and honed mind 3? Both suggested on the new pinnned guide...
chilly marsh
phont our group is starting p2 with 10s before vendeta cds
prob not worthy using on cyst right?
twilit hollow
so is the idea for SS exsang build haste on every piece and then a split crit/mastery as the second stat
real solar
lime edge
crit is better than mastery by a bit i would think
even tho it says =
atleast a tiny bit
twilit hollow
yes i see its in the pins but is it actually dead equal, considering the honed mind thing is new, and last week it was just haste crit all the things
lime edge
remember tho
twilit hollow
that answers my question
woeful minnow
you need a certain amount of crit for mastery to start being better, at least for me it was like that
but you know, sim yoself and all that
sweet rampart
Hmm i cant decide if i should save for exp 3 or not 😦
worldly sandal
week 5, no carapace dagger still
lime edge
yo same
worldly sandal
deleting my rogue is looking more and more appealing
grave marsh
How much haste do I need to switch to Exsanguinate?
cobalt pelican
there's no good reason to save unless your situation leads you to not getting many echoes incoming per week, or you don't care about your dam for the next 3 weeks
lime edge
u can get 10k echoes a week by doing weeklys/dailies
cobalt pelican
it's not like 2 is worse than 3
lime edge
^
cobalt pelican
it's literally the same, 3% per 5 corruption
lime edge
yea
cobalt pelican
it's just spread over more items
lime edge
but we arent limited by sockets rn
cobalt pelican
it's slightly less efficient in terms of echoes/corruption
strange python
or you know you're playing the same build the next 3 weeks anyway 
lime edge
its a little worse
sweet rampart
But cost efficient isn’t it bad? Isn’t exp 3 875 more ?
strange python
If you are worried about buy expedient 2, then buy strikethrough 3 for M+ build
sweet rampart
I think i am only at 12k echos 😦
I enjoy m+ but i for sure care more about dominating raids lol
sweet rampart
I am not sure i should even worry about exp 2 either, i am still gearing up, but i know i will be much better geared before 3 weeks
strange python
ye, if you only focus on raid then why no buy exp2
strange python
exp3 prob dont come again till... shadowlands kappa
sweet rampart
Is that another perk to exp 3? You are putting it on fewer pieces so you can pick up strikethrough too?
sweet rampart
Rip
cobalt pelican
there are no perks to 3 over 2 besides it being spread over less pieces of gear, which means you'll hit a point where you literally need rank 3 to reach corr you want
and also means you'll have less interchangable pieces
if you want to wait 3 weeks or whatever for rank 3 to show up again go for it but
idk
strange python
its ok buy 2 if you play... normal, idk
you can have enough echos for 3-4 rank 3 exp if pops after 3 weeks
lime edge
i bought a rank 2
cause by the time 3 comes up, ill be able to buy atleast like 6
which is plenty
6 is exp 18
¯_(ツ)_/¯
cobalt pelican
by the time exp3 rolls back around
i'm planning to have spent like
100k echoes total
so if i can't somehow get enough to buy a few extra exped3 (you wouldn't need to replace all your 2s with 3s the first time around anyway..) then you just aren't playing the game
lime edge
wtf
cobalt pelican
like if you buy 2s now
when 3s roll around
you might replace
2-3 2s with 3s
that's it
not every single slot
lime edge
yea
in my case, someone who bought just 1 2
i probably wont even replace it
cause corruption
who knows
sweet rampart
So i am still learning about this system, I only want to throw this on pieces i know are for sure good right?
sweet rampart
I only got 12k echoes too 😦
cobalt pelican
i think my shopping list for this week is
2x exped2, 5k echoes to socket farming to put them on fresh wrists
and then farm as many echoes as possible to buy a spare exped2/strikethrough 3s
weirdly s trikethrough 3 actually shows as not complete ass in a couple of sims i did and i want some for outlaw gear anyways
so meh
prime void
Strikethrough is sick in keys too 🙂
void pecan
Should buy strikethrough for M+ then?
cobalt pelican
i retired from sin keys where strikethrough would be a thing i think
probably yeah, some weird severe/strikethrough mix is probably the way to go
cobalt pelican
i only really actively play sin in keys in dungeons where i'd be
prime void
And how your tank pulls
cobalt pelican
more than comfortable playing 80% haste set
void pecan
That's what I'm thinking. I don't do 21+ keys so
tribal obsidian
my first corruption ever has been probably my best piece have never not used it
wish i pushed a higher key that week though
last gyro
Got a question, should I replace a hasge proc with 12% haste from all sources?
grizzled mist
does Sin want double Carapace daggers?
drifting cloud
yes because 485
grizzled mist
awesome, would you purify one and put expedient on one? or just keep both TA?
fleet whale
probably cleanse one of them at least cause RNG, some people may even cleanse both
upper spear
are we finding expedient build is better on all fights? or more specific stuff like dungeons ect? Would Exp 2-3 still be better than stars on fights like Shadhar or even Maut?
fleet whale
it would be more consistent that's for sure
it appears people on here at least want to stray away from the high variance corruptions
fleet anchor
@cobalt pelican Yes for Crit setup Strikethrough+Severe are typically balanced
Both for Assassination and Outlaw
So you kinda want both of them
cobalt pelican
i have 14k echoes rn and the store resets tonight on eu and i
can't decide whether to just commit some to severe
as soon as i do i'm in the 'grind all weekend' phase
fleet anchor
Man EU gets such cheat for the vendor
Getting to know the next week 1 day in advance 😦
hax
fallen bone
assasSINation 🙂
tropic ocean
how much is strike 3
harsh sphinx
5k
harsh sphinx
never ending grind. first exp then vers now strikethrough
tropic ocean
but I guess I can get 2 strike and will have enough echoes for rest of exp when its up again
strange python
less chatting more pvp 
tropic ocean
but also need severe
fleet anchor
I wonder if ya'll are gonna like DungeonSlice more when I finish these tweaks for Crimson Tempest/Exsang and we do basically the same as Outlaw even without EB 🤣
tropic ocean
tropic ocean
2-3 severe rest strike y
fleet anchor
Last I looked Severe + Strikethrough split was ideal but I didn't check 3x EB
harsh sphinx
hmm should be solid then
fleet anchor
Imagine it will hold though because those two interact, there is almost always gonna be an ideal ratio
last gyro
so would you go for haste% or haste proc if you already had like 60% from all sources ?
fleet anchor
haste cap is 10000000%
The value of haste% is pretty consistent, procs don't really ever get better
At best they get almost equal
last gyro
I dunno if to cleanse that dagger
tribal obsidian
easy sim check
sweet rampart
im scurred
arctic walrus
@cobalt pelican can I see your sim rq
sweet rampart
i never have done a full vision by myself
arctic walrus
are you gonna buy the 2s?
slow helm
do you ever want mastery with the exsanguinate build?
arctic walrus
It becomes better but you never go out of your way for it
bleak spoke
slow helm
but do you want crit vers or mastery? as secondary after haste
fringe socket
is twilight dev good ?
arctic walrus
yeah it rounds out your budget towards the end
different for everyone
idk how stacking expedient 3s is worse than stacking 2s for me
slow helm
@arctic walrus was the "different for everyone" aimed at my question or? 🙂
slow helm
mainly cuz im crafting some pants with leather working atm and im like do i rly want mastery over vers/crit as secondary
arctic walrus
that's fairy
slow helm
so vers is actually rly low rated?
slow helm
i just dont have the amount of expedients needed to rly sim exsanguinate 13hours and 33 min then i can buy some :3
cobalt pelican
yeah i'm gonna buy
2 2's for current gear
and 1 2 for backup for in a few weeks
to shuffle around
that's the plan at least
not sure if i'm gonna end with enough echoes to get the backup one but
we'll see
arctic walrus
62 max means you can hit it next reset yeah?
grave bison
i didn't get expedients last time, i kept playing my old dd build. Should i buy all rank 2 that i can to get into SS build
slow helm
i kinda wanna get some strikethroughs aswell for mythic+ but its gonna get rly tight
grave bison
i play outlaw there, won't need it
cobalt pelican
ya 62 is 59 next reset
slow helm
oh @arctic walrus what you think of font of power?
cobalt pelican
so i'll be on 57 or whatever
arctic walrus
hm let me see what I can come up with then
cuz i'm still using 59 and it's having be use 50
font is just outdated and worse than a vita
slow helm
i were thinking about trying the fire mage setup with double onuse trinket
just to try it
since i dont have access to mythic vita
frigid briar
Font will see more gametime when kill times become shorter I think
cobalt pelican
50 is current weeks res yea
cause i'm stuck on 50 this week
shitty week of cape being on 80 instead of a weird number like 83
slow helm
should i swap my weapon enchant from versatile to the haste one?
arctic walrus
sim
slow helm
i rly need il'gynoth shoulders -_-
frigid briar
I dont think vers enchant is ever worth it as assassination apart from pvp with force multiplier
slow helm
it used to sim the highest for me with the old DD build
frigid briar
On pure ST patchwork sure but we dont have that. You probably player more tenticals in that DD build to right?
slow helm
rank 6 mostly
without expedient im running atm 35% haste and 44% crit with the gear i got
and atm my guild is progressing on shad'har so we mainly need pure single target atm 🙂
frigid briar
Honest opinion, if you are not playing full ST on all progression bosses you're playing it wrong. Rogues are pretty weak RN for anything else. Other classes just do everything else better without losing tonnes of boss damage
plucky ether
guessing i should probably sim w/o my stars boots if i want an honest sim with most raid fights?
slow helm
you just said "On pure ST patchwork sure but we dont have that" thats why i mention'd it xD
frigid briar
Also when you have warlocks banishing adds ect so they gain more dps kinda makes IS even worse
tropic ocean
from sin rogue pov theres no other fight than pure st
in progression
maybe hivemind the exception
and with 3 ss exsang being the top build
u got all cleave u need
frigid briar
I play full ST on hive. They make me kick the interupt so I just hammer that boss
slow helm
since i got the gear rdy would it be worth swapping over to my 3x SS and 3x EB for hivemind? 😮
tropic ocean
eb basically int
frigid briar
Just keep dots on 2 bosses and kill ravager/darters, 3 HoD and 3 SS traits
Forget small adds, someones TD will global them anyways lol
tropic ocean
think my dps difference from 3 ss 3 hod to 3 ss 3 eb echoing was
106k to 125k or so
except that 125k had lot of small add pad
😄
slow helm
im confused @tropic ocean you are saying EB is basically int but then you say it actually increased your damage? o.O
tropic ocean
yeah overall
and that was idk
2month ago
or 3?
but u will lower ur dps on boss and ravager
just let mage dh hunter do the cleave
without dps loss on bosses
slow helm
so i tried simming it now no matter how i sim versatile and deadly navigation is coming on top for weapon enchants
and it want my versatile navigation to be in main hand
slow helm
dont know why it sims higher with it being in main hand insted of the other
dont look at my shoulders but https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uZuT49QK1MvELCMPvcG4JZ
brazen garden
is navigation influenced by being in the mainhand vs offhand?
shy dust
frigid briar
No
slow helm
my rank 1 lucid dreams is actually getting pushed off as a minor lmao
woeful minnow
seeing bote2 minor is making me go crazy
frigid briar
With enough exp it should
woeful minnow
get some essences
frigid briar
Think you end up running FV minor
slow helm
oh ye mb forgot exsanguinate uses deeper strat xD
frigid briar
Yeah its more the cant spend energy fast enough problem I think
slow helm
well i normally dont have that much haste since im doing alot of m+ aswell its just fan of knives rupture up a few targets and you never go out of energy xD
maybe i should try deeper in mythic+ hmmmm since i never go out of energy besides single target
but lucid dreams isnt that needed for exsanguinate or is it just because mine is only rank 1?
frigid briar
1 one or 2 is weak yeah
woeful minnow
at extremely high amounts of haste it'll get pushed by formless void
but r1 is just bad.
frigid briar
Yeah what jnas said
Think even rank 2 is just a heal?
Been a while since I checked
slow helm
ye rank 2 is just heal
but it takes so long to get rank 3 :c
and fuck BOTE grinding aswell :c
frigid briar
If your going full exp dont bother getting it
Just play formless rank 3 minor
Use that quest time doing pvp for echos or something
slow helm
you just gotta win in arena's and stuff for echo's or?
i normally do mythics with my group but was wondering how good pvp gave 😛
frigid briar
Its fastest source if you can win atleast 50/50
Could always drop you mmr to 0 then smash noobs all way back to 1800
slow helm
Im a noob stuck at 1600 xD
agile tulip
Hey, in the pinned guide about the Exsang build, it says to use CLF after subterfuge window, but in the sim APL it uses it before combat. Which one is correct?
faint spoke
I would assume, the apl is correct
woeful minnow
before combat is correct but it's risky
you have to fully trust your raid to not pull early
agile tulip
so say I was to use it at 2s before pull, that's probably worse than using it in combat right?
tropic ocean
no? As long as you can restealth its good
rocky ruin
What should i buy exp2 for Raid and strikethrough for m+
whole mantle
the exsang build have any cap of critical ?
i'm with 1500 crit 3700 haste
if i lose crit is bad?
manic pebble
Harlan's Loaded Dice or Torment in a jar
lament dove
so now people stacking expedient no matter what the sim says, or at high itemlevels haste gets so valuable that it gets above all else, no matter how much you get from it...?
woven bane
can someone explain to me what this means? im a little confused what to choose here on raidbots
feral creek
Its how much of the bought corruption u will add to your gear
echo haven
Do you think a full GW build is valuable?
arctic walrus
not anymore, the nerf hit it too hard and fell behind expedient
rocky ruin
@arctic walrus how much GW should we equip? 1 or 2?
arctic walrus
ideally none, once you can unlock full expedients
If you have some in your inventory though, then you can just sim
cuz it's still one of the top dps per corruption, just not as good as expedient
rocky ruin
Got 475 and 460 GW
echo haven
Thx Vel
olive tusk
hi! Why opening "Garrot / Rupture / Garrot / Vendetta / Mutilate / Rupture / Exsang" and not "Garrot / Vendetta / Garrot / Rupture / Exsang" ? Even with Deeper Stratagem, you get your 6 combo points by casting 2 Garrots (of course you need to play with Shrouded Suffocation).
A pandemic Garrot isn't more efficient with Exsang than a pandemic Rupture with Exsang?
rancid bobcat
More rupture ticks inside vendetta
errant delta
hay guys can some help me im playing TB dont like bleed build should i still be running full exp3s or should i still have some TA in there ??
rancid bobcat
Expedient is still good for both builds
errant delta
yer but better than TA as i have 1 exp3 2 TA2s and 1 raceing pulse 3 do i drop the TAs for exp3s?
cus TA rng giveing me the shits
broken dirge
hello how much crit / haste / mastery i need for Assasination rogue atm ?
willow pulsar
@tropic ocean strike 3 is gonna be up this rotation my fellow m+ sin player
rancid bobcat
@errant delta sounds like you already know the answer
willow pulsar
My 25k echoes can't w8 to drop that shitty Twilight
fleet anchor
@olive tusk You want a max duration Rupture and that requires two Rupture casts regardless. So it's best to just put it up sooner rather than later. Using Rupture twice as per the current opener makes your second Rupture cast at max pandemic extended length, 6 CP rupture by itself is 30% lesser duration. You don't lose anything from sequencing it that way basically.
errant delta
yer just simed it its like same but would be more conistant now just gotta wait
grizzled trail
im a whore and im goin to buy a bunch of expediant II cause im impatient and dumb
fleet anchor
Burning a bit of energy is irrelevant since you are energy capped during the opener anyway
errant delta
how much you lose out useing exp2s?
fleet anchor
Nothing really in the short term. You just will have to burn some echoes later to replace them eventually
errant delta
yer ill wait
grizzled trail
its all about that short term dps
loud brook
you also have to take into consideration your corruption amount
rn the cap is at 90 resist with an extra 10 of the essence resist
so you have to mix and match with the corruptions you already got to get the max value out of them
i like playing under 40 corruption, so my budget is 129 corruption rn
grizzled trail
from wednesday i can fit in 4 expediant rank II
and im totally doin that cause cba waiting
i think it will be like 57 corruption
loud brook
I just went all in on strikethroughs for outlaw
grizzled trail
my concern is after the 8 rotation it randomises again]
errant delta
yer whats the go with SS EB m+ build and strike through?
olive tusk
@fleet anchor thx
willow pulsar
@fleet anchor so are we about to use CT in single target even when low hasted? Talking about m+ builds
rigid eagle
hey guys, does Blood Rite work for Exsang build?
is the haste proc just not as good as HoD?
elfin saffron
do i uncorrupt cara weps if i have full haste corrups?
glacial jasper
Shoot for that 108% increased haste boi
charred hull
hey does increasing verse with say a trinket increase the dot damage already applied or do you need to refresh the dots?
indigo elk
@elfin saffron best way is to just sim it , just create 2 copies of cara wep with exp
spice peak
anybody here is an expert with simming dm me please ❤️
rigid eagle
man i really don't want to trust how high appendage sims
tropic ocean
@willow pulsar ty bro, decided to finish expedient first and then buy severe+strikethrough all together when I have enough echoes, as when I simmed I need 4 severe 4 strikethrough for it to take over my current setup
rigid eagle
simcraft is saying i lost 1k dps if i replace cara dagger's appendage with exped 3
tropic ocean
you can see full sim report
and see all iterations
but yeah on avg you will lose 1k dps
storm nymph
I guess its worth buying a honed mind to save for later?
tropic ocean
probably
willow pulsar
That's a lot, severs for two different builds?
storm nymph
thought we wanted racing pulse at the end
tropic ocean
I guess if I use coral+spyglass I will need less sever and more strikethrough but I like vita for the grup effect
the answer is, as so often, sim yourself
tropic ocean
did you read it?
because literally on top of the guide
IMPORTANT: This build requires a significant amount of gear to be optimal.
BiS Corruption with Optimal Gear:
willow pulsar
With my current setup sims says 3 severes are enough
storm nymph
I sure did, was just a comment. Because I remember prior to this guide, there was talks of racing pulse 🙂
tropic ocean
racing pulse is not bad by any chance
and depending on haste/gear it might even sim better than honed mind
so yeah
storm nymph
Missing cara chest unfortunately
crimson palm
Corr tier
arctic acorn
How do sin fares on nzoth compared to outlaw ? Looted 2 daggers on the same down by some god forsaken miracle that might make me switch
rigid eagle
lol dps in this game doesn't make sense
tropic ocean
@arctic acorn your boss dmg will be higher, your cleave will be lower
@crimson palm ty
leaden burrow
Hey Guys, how much haste would you recommend for exsang build? And is it worth with lesser amounts
leaden burrow
Well true, but why have a didcord if you cant ask questions 😅
tropic ocean
you asked a question and you got the appropriate answer?
distant lava
the sim knows better than us man
tropic ocean
I can phrase it differently
I recommend as much haste until raidbots stops telling you its your best stat
leaden burrow
True true, altough i was expecting rough percentages, of what you Guys run with. But okay, sorry for asking
tropic ocean
well I run with 61% unbuffed
but it wont help you unless you have the exact same gear I do
leaden burrow
Yeah ofcourse, im quite low, so i was looking for an estimate of relatively how much i need to farm 😂
tropic ocean
I know people tend to get frustrated when all they hear is sim yourself, but as corruptions/azerite/itemization impact your stat weights a lot theres no other answer than that
well relatively you want to farm all expedient and later on add in 1 honed mind
the stats on your gear wont really matter alot unless obviously you only have crit vers or mastery versa or so, just equip your highest ilvl/sockets and balance out stats with gems/enchants
like e.g. for boots you want crit mastery as they are 485 ilvl
leaden burrow
Yeah true. I run with like 37% atm, i feel energy starved as fuck.
tropic ocean
or dagger will be crit/haste due to 485 ilvl too
leaden burrow
Well thanks, reallr helps 😁
tropic ocean
rings will be locked at haste/mastery and crit/haste too