And it’s all decent iLvL?
#assassination
balmy condor
balmy condor
Quick sim, yuck
Either way
11 corruption is kinda low tbh
Most people try to stay under 40
So you got a lot of room to work with
ember iron
of course simming is a little bad for me being m+ aoe
balmy condor
Nah it’s not that, quick sim is just awful to look at a glance, especially on mobile
Cause you can’t see the pieces like you do in top gear
ember iron
oh
ember iron
heres my top gear:
balmy condor
I’ve also been having a good time running exsang in m+
It’s definitely viable
Maybe try that
mint oar
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nmvLRYLE28YGuG2MQoKsbb this is really bad
balmy condor
I mean, don’t get me wrong
mint oar
what should i swap?
balmy condor
Rotation is a part of it
But gear is also meh
I’ll take a look real quick lrk
Oh ffs another quick sim
balmy condor
Yeah same layout can’t read it lmao
Can you send me a top gear
With literally anything
From what I can see though, those essences are mega jank
tropic charm
There might be an answer to this already, but apart from SS for the exs build, what’s the other trait we want? Is it DD or heart of darkness?
balmy condor
Heart is pretty good for exsang build
Infusion from gorak shoulders are good
Uh, clockwork isn’t bad either
balmy condor
I think gorak shoulders double heart
mint oar
there's a better sim
balmy condor
thats still the same layout
balmy condor
top gear
just send a top gear
I'm not home atm so its actually impossible for me to see your gear on mobile
mint oar
yea every option is on that sim
balmy condor
I mean, ideally you would just do everything
here's another 2k btw
getting rank 3 essences is big, especially bote/clf/botd
lucid is pretty good as well
but I think lucid 3 is just a bit of vers or something
mint oar
bote grind is dumbbbbb
balmy condor
from there just getting more azerite/corruptions and catching up on the neck
bote is BiS for keys
¯_(ツ)_/¯
mint oar
sad
pliant token
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iZCjQsu7FBUVe89vV6w4B I need now corrupted gear to improve? droptimizer found 1x1k ring improve 😮
tall rose
is the engineerign helm still the best for assas if i have a 465
balmy condor
mythic maut helm I would think
engi helm is pretty okay though
@pliant token you need to fix your essences
and not take crimson single target
also you're taking IS, and that's going to screw you over on a lot of fights
if you're going poison build, you're going to want more DD traits, your mut damage seems low
but quick sim 
so I can't see
:D
paper kelp
he only has one DD
balmy condor
that would do it
normal olive
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bgLkViZo7tDixwMZS1L1wt
Got a Expedient 3, should i get rid of IS 3 for it?
balmy condor
I'm guessing its like 1 np, 1 dd, 2-3 ttk and some other random garbo
less TTK, more DD
@normal olive thanks for the top gear, yes I would get rid of IS3, just for the consistency alone
vital haven
ehhh
vital haven
if you are doing 3 min fights or faster then ye get rid of it
like IS is still pretty good
paper kelp
if you have a lot of haste 10 procs for IS is almost guarenteed in a 4.5 min fight
normal olive
Yeah i just started to get into mythic+ and a bit or raiding so i hope to get some trinkets and weapons
balmy condor
IS is good for shad, xanesh, and maybe maut
it was never good on anything else this patch
vital haven
pretty good on wrathion as well
balmy condor
if you want to rng parse just stack tendies
paper kelp
tendies are killing me
vital haven
what i mean is if you are running super fast ST fights then ye get rid of IS
paper kelp
one wipe 60k dps
vital haven
not worth it anymore
paper kelp
the next 0 tendie
paper kelp
im playing tendies 8
paper kelp
when it procs
insane
when it doesnt
i want to end it all
also i found out today that while voidwoken your tendies still do 100% dmg
paper kelp
yeah for exp stacking
balmy condor
ye
vital haven
like yesterday i cleansed my 2 mythic daggers
paper kelp
but i have 0 of it for now
vital haven
no more tendies for me
mint oar
whats the best way to farm honor for bote?
paper kelp
comp stomp
vital haven
dude
its so bullshit that you still ahve to gety the essences the old fashioned way
on your main
paper kelp
talk to me about a rogue in my guild that had all the essences he needed
vital haven
well i mean you dont have to LUL
paper kelp
and had 25k echoes
wet ruin
how is it bullshit that you have to get them on your MAIN?
vital haven
we are buying corruptions
mint oar
farming an old raid
vital haven
like who cares anymore
mint oar
is p dumb
paper kelp
he spent it in versatile cause he was sure it would be broken for arena
rancid bobcat
they could def reduce the essence requirements a bit more again
balmy condor
god damnit
paper kelp
i shame him on a daily basis
wet ruin
why would you get a free pass 😄
balmy condor
I knew it was coming and I'm still mad
rancid bobcat
is vers not what you stack in arenas though
vital haven
as i said who cares if you get a free pass
paper kelp
but he doesnt do arena
vital haven
ive had bote 3 for like months
normal olive
Oh one more thing i have a 470 IS 3 belt with Crit Mastery, should i use a 465 belt with Exp 3 and Haste Crit instead of cleansing the 470?
paper kelp
like not at all
vital haven
i dont think anyone would care
paper kelp
he wanted to get into it
balmy condor
@normal olive sim it :)
normal olive
Sim says i lose almost 10k dmg
balmy condor
then don't
wet ruin
they might as well just remove 2-3 mechanics from mythic bosses as well, I mean who cares
normal olive
it says the same when i swap IS 3 for Exp 3
balmy condor
ye
paper kelp
random bgs to fill conquest type of guy
balmy condor
if you're using an IS corrupt
last crown
blizzards just trying to drag out this shitshow of an expansion any way they can until shadowlands is ready
last crown
theyre not making decisions based on balance or fun
normal olive
Sometimes i get a ton of procs and then i have fights with 5 minutes of 0 procs
last crown
theyre trying to walk the line of appeasing returning players and not losing current palyers until they can abort this xpac
paper kelp
the best pain of this patch tho is one shotting myself to obsidian skin with my corruption
best part of this
normal olive
Allrighty
balmy condor
I think they can reduce the essence requirements again
but I don't think they should just be ezclap for mains
balmy condor
for me, the community kinda shoots itself in the foot, cause on the one hand, they complain that all the content is just patch by patch and everything gets replaced every patch and its patch of warcraft, not world, and there's no relevant old content
but then they cry when they have to do the last tier of raid for stuff
paper kelp
true
balmy condor
and I get that coral farming isn't great
and they should implement more 'worldy' stuff
but I also think we got bigger problems to cry about
paper kelp
the only sad part is that a 430 trinket outsims a mythic trinket
royal lantern
the 430 trinket is good
balmy condor
for me that's kinda big whatever
royal lantern
the trinkets this tier are not that great
the 430 trinket gives like 1,6k crit on your cd window
paper kelp
yes and EP ones are just too good
balmy condor
quirky things like that allow people who know what they're doing to min-max harder
if you don't care, run a wrathion trinket and whatever you get from m+ and its fine
so for the people here, that actually care about min-maxing at least to some extent
kinda annoying
but for most people, big whatever
paper kelp
i mean anyone not willing to min-max shouldn't cry about something like that
normal olive
I run around with the 455 alchi trinket because i don't get trinkets without m+ and raiding c:
balmy condor
yeah but it snowballs right
someone like a streamer man who min-maxes will cry
and the community will run with it
paper kelp
most players are actually NPC
drifting light
Any willing to help me out figuring out why simming so bad for the ilvl? I know when ring is very bad and offhand but still...
shy axle
do you use breath major in ilg myth? or just standart st clf/blood/wv
paper kelp
is subterfuge better than master assa even without SS ?
balmy condor
but if your ranged is bad and can't keep up
helping snipe is okay
yeah
subt scales harder
your job as a sin rogue on ilgy isn't add damage
you're there to pump boss and cheese beams
paper kelp
well for me master assa has been simmign way higher
balmy condor
if you have to hit bloods on ilgy, I think the raids got other problems
paper kelp
than subt
balmy condor
yeah, subt isn't just straight better for everyone
it depends on gear and stuff
bit janky
paper kelp
yeah ok
manic pendant
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hhB5VexXAfc9zc5LPgRGZw Going assa only for single target fights. Any tips?
paper kelp
farm coral
drifting light
So yeah botd major sim 5k higher than bote...
balmy condor
OH
paper kelp
echoing blades
balmy condor
its simming higher cause you aren't using it as a minor rogueing
the corruption res
lmao
paper kelp
and the minor insane dmg
balmy condor
ye
paper kelp
on exec phase
grave marsh
paper kelp
save up
manic pendant
Isnt coral a bit overhyped?
manic pendant
Do it work on alot of encounters?
paper kelp
yes
hallow heron
how much overall dps in m+ is decent to push past 15? in 15's im currently doing around 60-65k overall
balmy condor
thats an aoe trinket
paper kelp
depends on the time tho
manic pendant
ok
paper kelp
because 60k overall can be high or low
balmy condor
thats really feely-crafty and hard to tell, but 65k is eh
hallow heron
ah, yeah idk, either timing them or 2 chesting
balmy condor
depends on key, group, dps from the tank and the other dps
delicate bone
depends, 65k in places like TD isnt bad, since you spend a lot of the time unlocking shit as a rogue lol
manic pendant
Any1 running vision of per a minor trait?
delicate bone
but like JY, its pretty low
hallow heron
i just ask because after like 5 15's the last couple days i have ended between 60-65k overall with all kinds of different comps and dungeons
balmy condor
@manic pendant vision is okay, but its not always the best
manic pendant
thinking since i got x3 nothing personal
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fyQ4W3GNkE5XX5NMenaeP got it ub with 2k
manic pendant
New to the patch so just feeling my way
balmy condor
okay
so
triple NP, not really great, there was a VOP major build around
but that's since fallen by the wayside
full crit gem/chanting, not really great
force multiplier is HARD trolling
you should put a quick nav on that
tranquil imp
While Rank2 sever is still on the table is that recommended for Mythic +?
balmy condor
agi gems quickly become worse than haste gems
balmy condor
that writhing segment is an awful trinket
manic pendant
Am i ignoring vers as a stat when making decisions?
balmy condor
yes
vers is really meh
its nice to have once you have really high gear
and it scales everything
but most of the time, vers and mast are both just afterthoughts
manic pendant
Aight, and how about mastery? Do i ever go out of my way to get more?
just saw what u wrote
thx
balmy condor
you'll also see a huge swing from pull to pull
since the only corruption you're running is TA
paper kelp
keep all for exp 3
drifting light
Thanks, @balmy condor
But I cant get higher than this running bote major and botd minor
balmy condor
i dont understand the question
drifting light
paper kelp
on that sim you didnt sim essences
balmy condor
yeah
unless you select breath of the dying as a minor
you're always going to get breath major
paper kelp
simply for the corruption res
paper kelp
see it higher
drifting light
So u think whats holding back is the no haste no crit ring and offhand? DD sims higher than SS but I dont have 3 of the latter
balmy condor
that looks better
vital haven
is there any info on how essences scales with neck level
drifting light
TB also higher than exang
paper kelp
also does heroic vita sims higher than mythic wrathion ?
balmy condor
not enough haste
is usually the case
but it's also pretty rough to run exsang without 3x SS
its possible to get it to sim higher
but rare
vital haven
you can
vital haven
my sims tell me to just run one SS actually even with exsang
drifting light
I see, usually whats then min haste to go exang haste build? 40%?
paper kelp
as much as you can
balmy condor
minimums and whatever are awful ways to check yourself
each character swings so wildly
breakpoints change from char to char
higher haste, usually exsang
generally
and that's about as specific as it gets
drifting light
K, ty for the inputs
vital haven
i think 35% is when my sims started telling me to use exsang
balmy condor
yeah, somewhere between 35% and 40% for me as well
last crown
XD upgrades between wrathion and raden dont exist
vital haven
my sims are telling me to drop lucid
balmy condor
yeah
vital haven
im not comfortable with that
balmy condor
that'll happen
vital haven
that lucid minor hasnt been changed ever since essences have been introduced
balmy condor
I've heard of a lot of super high haste players are actually dropping lucid
because its energy capping them in opener
vital haven
ye
rigid eagle
@balmy condor thoughts on dropping lucid vs. going Deeper Stratagem?
balmy condor
uh
irrelevant
deeper strat is go-to for exsang build
we're talking about dropping lucid with deeper strat already taken as a talent
balmy condor
when you got 4000 haste sitting in dazar
yeah
gets pretty nutty
toss in all of the haste buffs and lust
rigid eagle
probably gonna miss it next xpac lul
balmy condor
pretty sure 130% haste is doable with lust and procs
don't quote me on it
but some quick finger math says that it's possible
rigid eagle
is it worth it to take a single racing pulse when u have multiple exped?
vital haven
its telling me to go blood minor
balmy condor
I think 1 is okay
vital haven
the fuck
balmy condor
but that's really a sim-to-sim based question
that could easily change depending on char
delicate bone
dont take sims as the law my guy, test it out and see what you prefer, and if you realise what it says is actaully better, it might be
balmy condor
ye
vital haven
its just procs and stats
its only a 0.1 upgrade
imma wait until i get more expedient
ember iron
is this ok dps (rogue) for a +16 WC?
grim mason
Hola guys, just getting back into wow, been playing Warzone can anyone pint me in the direction of some good weps for sin outside of raiding?
rancid bobcat
any dungeon that drops a dagger
grim mason
Thanks @ember iron , @rancid bobcat
leaden burrow
thoughts about the exsanguinate meta ? Idk if i like it atm xD new playstyle to adabt to, but the question is, is 3xDD still viable ?
with toxic blade and such
lean marten
yes and within 1-2% at top end
leaden burrow
Pog, i'll do some more research try out the exsanguinate strat abit more, otherwise ill just stick to DD with toxic blade
vast forum
@ember iron did you time the run?
rancid bobcat
exsang isnt very complicated
leaden burrow
i mean, no. Its just not as easy as keeping tb off cd xD
vast forum
either way, losing to a tank isn't generally acceptable as a rogue 
leaden burrow
i mean against a prot warr on aoe pulls as assa can get tricky
vast forum
can it tho?
leaden burrow
i think so
vast forum
then you're not playing assa very well
no flame
it can only get tricky if warr procs 5 TDs
leaden burrow
Fair enough xD
vast forum
and this isn't me bragging, it's just assa with 3ss shouldn't lose to a tank unless the tank is perhaps chainpulling half the dungeon
rancid bobcat
its also only a 16 so a warrior tank can murder mobs very quickly
drifting cloud
well the actual dps number would give better context atleast
leaden burrow
well with 3x ss no, you shouldnt, but im saying, i usually run +15's with DD cuz i just do my weekly and thats that for my weeks m+, and that gets a bit tricky if im not running like td or something like that
vast forum
i mean
drifting cloud
I didnt scroll far up enough
leaden burrow
xD
vast forum
if you're playing with DD in m+
vast forum
i use my SS patchwerk gear anyway 😄
vast forum
i sometimes rotate 1 trinket tho, that's just cheating
either way, using DD doesn't really put you as a reasonable benchmark for assa in m+
leaden burrow
yeah fair enough. Tbh i cant be arsed to change azerite traits for 1 dung a week. so yeah, thats why i have been using dd in those dungeons. not done terribly tbh.
leaden burrow
yeah true. im trying out the exsang meta atm, but fuck its a change from just spamming TB off cd xD
scarlet sequoia
yeah now u have to spam exsang off cd
drifting cloud
dont bully us assa simpletons
leaden burrow
I little more brain in it than that i believe xD maximizing garrot and rupture uptime before popping it
but yeh, im just a pepega i guess
rancid bobcat
@scarlet sequoia do you fully refresh bleeds for non-vendetta exsangs
crimson palm
u do if garrote + rup duration is lower than 65%-75% of the total combined
rancid bobcat
Wat
crimson palm
u need to change the apl and sim it
rancid bobcat
crimson palm
for my char the threshold is like 40s
that means garrote + rupture duration should be above 40s to press exsang
vast forum
i just plan ahead 🙂
crimson palm
a more general rule is to just refresh rup if below 25s
vast forum
rupture has a very static duration between exsangs
ember iron
@ember iron did you time the run?
@vast forum yep
leaden burrow
rancid bobcat
@idle nova no
vast forum
for example, after every exsang that you use with a full duration rupture, you ideally want to use 7-8cp on your next 2 ruptures total, which would make your rupture duration ~8-13 sec at the moment when you wanna reapply it for next exsang
that way you're wasting 0 CP and almost no rupture duration
rancid bobcat
is that timed with just 1 exsang between each vendetta
vast forum
every exsang is a 45 sec CD
rancid bobcat
so you're not syncing with vendetta is what im asking
crimson palm
you always sync
vast forum
you sync it with vend ofc
rancid bobcat
then you cant exsang off cd
rancid bobcat
vast forum
unless you're losing a cast
crimson palm
you delay vendetta by like 10s
scarlet sequoia
@rancid bobcat i refresh rupture if its below 25 seconds and garrote i just press
unless its empowered ofc
vast forum
vanish lines up pretty well with 4th exsang anyway
so you sync your 4th exsang, vendetta and vanish
worldly sandal
crimson tempest or PB for a 14 kings rest?
i feel like id get more value out of poison bomb
leaden burrow
PB
I dont believe CT is of any use atm, dont quote me. i dont do alot of m+, but PB hasnt failed me yet
vast forum
i personally don't run CT because i focus a bit more on ST and i cba finding a new bind for it but i'll probably start using it soon when i stop being lazy
leaden burrow
I'd say, dont stress about minmaxing in a 14
worldly sandal
KR seems like its more or less the same with teeming. not too much extra trash to worry about that id get my moneys worth with ct
vast forum
KR definitely PB
flint jetty
Trying to sim for m+ - sims make my haste low asf, should I move some stats around so I have comfortable %haste for bosses? like make the executive decision to use vita or something
Low haste feels awful outside of aoe packs
rich kettle
Would infinite r1 and r3 do decent? 🙂 haven't got any other good st corruptions atm
delicate bone
@rich kettle thats what i run on my sin spec, for the same reason
its works "decent" in single target fights, but i cant wait to switch it lol
rich kettle
Aight, ty for answer - rn im looking to get 2x daggers from cara
delicate bone
like PURE single target, as soon as you bring even 1 extra add in, its essentially 50% on hitting your main target
rich kettle
then i'll switch to mind flay corruptions and at one point % haste
delicate bone
thats my plan too lol
delicate bone
like my inf stars did great on wrathion, and thats about it
almost kills me on maut so i have to either swap gear or take a dps loss on the stone phase
rich kettle
I c
because I got an IS my first vision on a 420 piece that did 20k dmg and somehow it does 46k now
delicate bone
yea IS scales with ilvl
tribal obsidian
is it common for subterfuge to sim higher than MA without any SS on patchwerk?
rich kettle
but it did 20 to 46k one day to the other ><
delicate bone
ohh in an actual fight?
yea, its not very reliable, but neither is TD in setting like m+
thats the risk you task with on proc corruptions
last crown
anyone have a WA for the mechagon ring?
wicked anvil
if i have 4 Combo Points, garrote and rupture are up, should i simply envenom or go for another mutilate? but would be actually beyond the cap
delicate bone
depends on how long you have your dots for gar and rup on the target
rich kettle
^ I know from wotlk rotation that u do either 4 or 5 to no over cap
delicate bone
you dont want to overcap the time on that too
a 4 cp envenom is fine if you dont need to refresh your dots
wicked anvil
oh thanks for the replies 🙂
shy wolf
what trinkets would i want as assassin?
vast forum
@flint jetty you should run vita anyway because it buffs your group
and haste loses a lot of value in aoe and you should aim for crit/mastery in m+
vocal hatch
Could someone possibly push me through a few mythics Iv never done one b4 and struggling to find a group
acoustic cradle
if exsanguinate works best at very high haste levels, why in war logs I see the top Assa rogues have the Razor Coral (crit) as a trinket instead of let's say Dragonscale (haste)?
scarlet sequoia
@acoustic cradle on exactly which boss do you see top assa rogues have razor coral
a large majority of the top logs use vita + plumage(medallion)
worldly sandal
yeah i can use 460 vita + 465 plumage now
instead of trying to make coral work on fights like nzoth
marsh fog
hey guys i have twisted appendage 3 and twisted appendage 2 + expedient 3 and i can purify appendage 3 and 2 and put in infinity stars 3 this will be good choice ?
winter gale
And, should I use or not use IS on most fights in Nyalotha?
Maybe more Expedient/TA build?
loud light
'most' fights IS is bad because of the presence of other targets
or short fight duration
lime edge
do u guys play with stacked nameplates or overlapping?
i would never go IS
no real reason to doom urself to rng
desert orchid
so has a consensus been made between haste or crit corruptions?
tranquil imp
I thought the consensus was between which kind of content you planned on doing?
dark crag
Haste for raid, crit m+
desert orchid
how far off is haste from crit in m+?
dark crag
Haste is almost not needed in m+
Enough targets to rupture for energy
A minimum haste for boss is ok
desert orchid
so more or less stack crit and mastery, go with crit % and crit dmg corruptions for m+?
but sim for the stat stacking values
we pretty much toss appendages, stars, and the likes out the door?
delicate bone
w
haughty mulch
Do I stack nothing personal like I do double dose? Like would I take three if I can or sim for the other traits after 1-2
desert orchid
what is your other option for traits?
it's pretty strong, but not always the best to stack from what I've read
echo crest
now that expedient stacking is the way to go, what stats should i am for in my gear? it is still spread or now we have a clear choice?
marsh fog
how ofen racing pulse 3 is up ? is better then twisted appendage 2 ?
lime edge
its up 30% of the time
marsh fog
becasue one of this i must purify
lime edge
lime edge
psst thats easy
frigid kestrel
If you ain’t playing 60+ Corruption on mythic Nzoth you ain’t playing the game right
😂🤣😂🤣😂
idle nova
winter gale
I saw someone saying versa is def not stat we should aim for in our gear. I had alot of haste/crit gear and raidbots suggested alot of versa + sockets to Versa too
And I have now 25%crit/34%haste/12%versa
rancid bobcat
stars is just not very good in most cases
gleaming viper
ok ok, another question :p it looks like i sim better with breath of dying major, should i go for it ? if yes, whats the opener ? :/
twin flint
Do I just play VoP/NP combo if it sims better?
strange python
no
strange python
why would you not play stars if it sims better
normal sphinx
If there's more than 1 target stars gets worse
twin flint
Just curious as I see other rogues mainly use blood tbf
normal sphinx
It stacks randomly onto targets not onto primary so it loses value in multi target fights
Blood is great with the right gear. If you run 2 to 3 nothing personal, vop sims and plays better
Vision will proc 3 nothing personal which is about of damage
With 1 NP don't play vision generally
twin flint
ty
drifting cloud
how much better does it sim for you
twin flint
uh il post a sim
drifting cloud
its just not that good of a setup for prog especially
so if it sims close I wouldnt use it personally
twin flint
not prog anything, just on farm
twin flint
i guess with everything, its nice when it procs alot, had some pulls with 50% uptime and some with 20
delicate bone
dont take sims as law, test what its saying and see how you like it or how it does in an actual scenario
drifting cloud
thats terrible advice
drifting cloud
yeah just test a rng major by design, im sure your sample size of 10 bosses is more relevant than a sim
tropic ocean
also comparing stars to vision major idk
vision is no stack up thing that procs on random targets
so if it sims significantly ahead
Play it
for few dps dont bother the rng
and often I feel most issues arise by not properly using raid bots as a tool
if you sim patchwerk 5 min it will give you results for patchwerk 5 min
You decide applying it on your fights
it wont be accurate applying 5 min patchwerk sim on a 3 min cleave raden fight
tropic ocean
But thats not raidbots fault
bleak spoke
Yeah
But I’m saying that if you test it you might find that you highly dislike the rng nature of it
tropic ocean
Or ignoring downtime
bleak spoke
That’s a qualitative judgement despite that set simming higher that’s valuable
tropic ocean
5 min standard sim considers you attacking the boss 100% of the time
not holding cooldowns
No intermissions and so on
bleak spoke
Yeh
tropic ocean
so yeah use some logic interpreting sims, or to better say wcl choices (vision minor in wrathion for example)
Obviously when u can attack boss for x seconds every y seconds will turn having ur cd available every dps window superior to having another minor that has 0 effect during downtime
if you want to go super indepth you can also manipulate raidbots by custom sims however u want it
so tl:dr the issue is not raidbots telling you something wrong but you simming something different than you fight
winter gale
Is this somewhere wrong ?
twin flint
alright, il go look into some custom sims and stuff, hopefully that will give me some better results, ty @tropic ocean
tropic ocean
@winter gale wrong in what?
winter gale
I saw someone 30mins ago saying that versa is not stat to go and here sim suggests versa to me
tropic ocean
well someone told you wrong
twin flint
stats will be down to your gear tho, there is sometimes too much of one stat with another lacking behind
tropic ocean
in high gear end build its probably not versa
for your individual character it might be
prime void
“Obviously when u can attack boss for x seconds every y seconds will turn having ur cd available every dps window superior to having another minor that has 0 effect during downtime”
Fuck yeah brother
tropic ocean
wrong channel
faint harness
yea miz, wrong channel
tropic ocean
normal sphinx
@tropic ocean It's an older guide, he hasn't updated exsang because he doesn't play it or raid very much - ryfie is a m+ player who raids mythic for gear haha
tropic ocean
wouldnt bother
shut garnet
it's pretty good but
lime edge
yea
tropic ocean
- u cant socket it
lime edge
u know whats wack
normal carapace dagger is a 3.1% upgrade
last time i checked
lol
tropic ocean
wtf dagger are you wearing
lime edge
some dog shit weapons
tropic ocean
that 445 is up
lime edge
lime edge
tropic ocean
Unlucky
solar flicker
It said H cara dagger was a 2% upgrade for me, then I simmed it and it wasn’t better than my normal ones
idk how accurate droptomizer is
tropic ocean
might be due to max corruption setting?
cobalt pelican
it just sims the corruption above whatever you have equipped
so it's almost always going to be a big upgrade if your mainhand is uncorrupted
solar flicker
It was tho
lime edge
oh i see
solar flicker
Im gonna re do droptomizer and see if it still says that, despite having cara dagger in my bags now lol
hexed root
evening guys, so I finally got razor coral, and my question now is what the timing is?
do we use it on pull then with ever vendetta? or where could I look for this?
shut garnet
check pins
but yes, essentially what you said
apply on pull, pull out every vendetta
hexed root
just saw that, thank you 🙂
drifting cosmos
What's the proc rate for TD and stars?
cobalt pelican
2+haste for both from memory
hardy wind
so condensed life force sims higher than blood of the enemy as a major but I see most people using blood. is there a reason why? I guess it would save me from having to use tomes to swap essences for single target/aoe fights
rocky ibex
subrefuge is better than master assasin on my sims but when i try seems to be lower, what do you recomend?
rancid bobcat
try harder
fleet whale
Regarding both of the comments above, many players value comfort over what sims higher, especially since the sim difference isn't that large
if you are struggling with subter you are fine going MA unless if you have like SS traits
vast forum
not using vanish is a <2% dps loss when not playing ss, so the subterfuge/MA difference shouldn't impact your dps much
unless you're doing something very wrong
cobalt pelican
vanishing and forgetting to leave vanish
till the end of the fight
intense roleplay
vast forum
ye, sounds about right
junior flume
The boss will be all like "wtf where is he" and do less damage to tanks because he is preoccupied worrying about the rogue... Next level plays
lime edge
is it possible to topgear a piece of equipment i dont have
rancid bobcat
fake it with item id and ilevel=w/e
prime void
@faint harness right channel
desert orchid
so where is the largest gap? Stacking the crit corruptions for raid, or the haste for m+?
cobalt pelican
you don't even have ss as an option on your vex chest in the sim
but it's not that abnormal to play low ss
chilly marsh
yea im testing because needing to reforge it 2-3 a day...
cobalt pelican
your gear is kinda weird though, you're still somewhat ta reliant somehow
probably what's causing ss to suck the butt for you
chilly marsh
you mean because of the Tas?
tranquil imp
@desert orchid was kind of wondering that myself, but from what the pin says haste/ss still works well in aoe.
prime void
I’d be curious to see a haste build in m+. I don’t see how it could be decent at all
tranquil imp
Yeah the note in the pin doesn't exactly mentioned M+ just aoe so idk.
I would assume that since crit is better for raiding then haste is for M+ that if you had to choose 1 set for both you would stack crit corruptions.
balmy cloak
Breath of the Dying is now my highest simming major essence. Does anyone else use that? If so, do you think about when to use it, or just macro it in with something and spam it?
it sims better than it is?
stray folio
Is gushing nerfed in sims or no since it was postponed?
loud silo
exsang build in visions is actually disgusting, i just hit 500% haste and killed alleria in 12 seconds
lavish swallow
How do you get 500% haste
odd drum
When are you supposed to pop BotE in SS/exsan build?
wispy chasm
is the visions major build actually good or just a meme
strange python
@odd drum after exsang
strange python
and vop major can be good its just somewhat random
yes you want to make the best out of your tiny bote window
sweet rampart
how much do i trust raidbots on essences it says for top gear?
vast forum
considering you don't have r3 essences just use whatever it tells you
sweet rampart
ahh so blood of the enemy doesn't really take over till rank 3?
vast forum
nop
sweet rampart
but once i do get it leveled up for sure use blood right? So it is pretty trust worthy then
vast forum
blood isn't always best on single target
fallow otter
It's a safe allrounder major
whole mantle
i'm with mutilate and dont have the expedients/trinkets :/
vast forum
i sim 100k atm
whole mantle
and with mutilate?
vast forum
also i think NP on your chest and BBI on shoulder is better
whole mantle
90k is good?
fallow otter
@whole mantle not great because I only have r6 exp
vast forum
idk, i probably sim 98k+ with dd
whole mantle
dd+ exsang right?
fallow otter
Feels bad @rancid bobcat i know them feels, I bonused mine last night, took forever
fallow otter
Well it's only 10% chance
I haven't got mine we killed like 9 times
But I'm super unlucky
tropic jackal
hey guys i'm trying to figure out if it's worth using the 3 saved up r3 expedients i have in my bank
right now i'm only seeing a 3k simmed increase from my current gear set up. is my gear just not high ilvl enough or optimized to run expedients atm?
or is 3 expedients too little
rigid eagle
yo guys, is subcreation's M+ page dead or something
their "current affix" tab isn't updating
rigid eagle
@mint oar bruh scroll up, these nutjobs are hitting 500% haste im combat
mint oar
im just wondering because my gear is ass
and my essences are worse
gear is alright but i have bad corruption
rigid eagle
honestly nowadays its more about the corruption and less about the actual gear
arctic walrus
2ss
versed mica
Thanks
civic hatch
what you need is triple exped 3
@rigid eagle I have rank 8 expedient in total and it still aims higher with default build
celest ruin
hmm 455 dice sims higher than 475 wrath trink for dungeon slice
plucky shadow
Which traits would you ideally want for raiding ST assa?
rigid eagle
@civic hatch i mean it varies depending on how much haste u already have right
i simmed double exp III with my current gear and exsang is already only 1k dps away from TB lol
civic hatch
Ye I’m getting deeper strat simming slightly ahead but exang still behind
unique mauve
What's a good Base Haste?
arctic walrus
not really any specific number
unique mauve
i have a problem where i'm just standing there for like 3-4 seconds auto attacking
is that a haste problem?
tropic ocean
@rigid eagle its not really hard to hit that high amount of haste in visions with expedient stack 😛
arctic walrus
are you keeping your bleeds/poisons up on the target?
unique mauve
Yep
arctic walrus
other than that then yes it's a feature not a bug
spec is just low apm until you get stack expedients and what not
unique mauve
can i dm you if you're willing to help me moving forward
arctic walrus
here is fine
unique mauve
can you look at my raidbots and tell me what i need to do, i fixed the trinket that they mentioned before and working on essences aswell but other than that idk what else to do cause my DPS is really low i was told
shy dust
Get better gear, corruptions, trinkets. Learn the class and read the guide
arctic walrus
can fix some stuff for you real quick but yeah generally you're just behind in gear, sockets, corruptions, and essences
nothing more to it
shy dust
There’s not a magical tip that’s going to fix anything
You just need much better gear and essences
People simmed that high back in Eternal palace You’re just far behind
unique mauve
Oh wow
arctic walrus
go with this for now, bumping you up to 50 corruption cuz it's pretty okay to run, if you dont feel comfortable then take off the expedient, but you can replace the TD boots with virtually anything else
drifting cloud
4 min sim cheater 
plucky veldt
unique mauve
alright will do and as far as getting better gear , like higher ilvl or better stats?
arctic walrus
same thing
level up your cloak, even if you have to use your echoes
get some 480 azerites, run 5/4 mask visions
unique mauve
alright, thank you!
echo haven
Guys I read all the pins but I did not understand which are the best stat for sin and the corruption.
For m+: crit-haste-versa-mastery
For raid: haste-crit-versa-mastery
Am I right?
But for corruption, should I go full severe or full expedient?
arctic walrus
stat weights dont really mean a whole lot
for raid you'll want full expedients
in m+ you can go with severe/strikethrough
in m+ you basically just disregard haste
echo haven
But why disregard haste?
arctic walrus
because you dont need haste for energy regen, you spread bleeds
drifting cloud
its x2 worse than other stats pretty much
echo haven
So the corruption also change if you want to do raid or m+?
real bay
another set for pvp xd
echo haven
Omg gearing a good rogue is pretty impossible hahahaha
I am main hunter and the gear is pretty the same in every situation
arctic walrus
yeah it's definitely not like hunter where anything is good and useful
jaunty arrow
Its ok but u need more space for gear
light pebble
do we only use exsang 1 time inbetween the vendetta cds or 2 times? trying to work out the timing on holding it vs waiting for it to come off cd
patent topaz
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ddTPVD7JMRQqut36H4JopL any worldvein gamers?
sullen herald
Can I stack racing pulses?
shrewd night
Sure, I dont see why you would though
arctic walrus
yes this man right here @shy dust
shy dust
jovial spear
Guys, I have a dumb question, which probably will be answered with "sim yourself", but as im currently at work unable to sim I would love to get a quick answer on iLvl: Should I just equip the highest iLvl gear, eventhough it may have unfavorable stats? Ex: I see a lot of people running around with the mythic legs from Wrathion and Skitra, which doesnt have haste on it. Isnt that "bad" considering we're trying to stack haste?
shrewd night
The answer is indeed, sim yourself.
shrewd night
Likely yay, but sim yourself 
hard sonnet
Its called assassimation for a reason
jaunty arrow
crimson palm
dire kindle
Guys, sorry for this question but never played with this trinket, now i got it.. how do i play with Ashvane's Razor Coral at best?
strange python
apply it then consume the stacks with every vendetta
dire kindle
ah okay. Sometimes i hear that some ppl use is at the end of the fight because they near 100% or stuff like that.
strange python
obviously if u dont get another vendetta off and the fight is going to last 20 secs u consume it so u get the crit buff
runic tinsel
Does anyone know if range sims higher than melee? I have a SP friend that sims 8k more than me but we are pretty close in dps, i might be slightly higher than him on ST fights even.
ebon forge
Guys, im sorry im new to Rogues and BFA 8.3. can anyone give me a typ on where i should improve on my gear, essence etc.
tip* ^
edgy pawn
dont play master poisoner
get rank3 essences
better azerite
coral
upgrade your cloak so you can wear more corruption
ebon forge
instead of master poisoner, which one shall i take ?
edgy pawn
elaborate planning
woven prairie
If you're playing toxic blades
edgy pawn
and MA/Subt should be simmed
for many subt sims better because we have tons of crit baseline
esp with blood
ebon forge
okay
runic tinsel
Go with elaborate planning instead of Master poisoner
nvm, missed someone wrote that already
edgy pawn
i'd sim scent/swirling sands on the head as well
runic tinsel
btw, the rings from mechagon, the haste procc should be worth close to 3 sockets right? or even more even. I got a 475 nature damage proc and it does 1-2% of my damage, but a 465 haste proc should still be better though right?
runic tinsel
without having it? how? 🙂
edgy pawn
gear comppare
ebon forge
cuz im at 127/170
edgy pawn
compare the engi helm to what you have and see if it's worth your time
runic tinsel
wow, the mechagon haste procc ring is actually worse. by 122 dps.
runic tinsel
yes
actually, i might not be sure about enchant tbh. gotta redo it
nvm, it was an upgrade 
i was just stupid and forgot the enchant
406 more dps for a 10 ilvl lower ring
406 from ring and 830 dps from gorak tuls. two pretty easy upgrades to get for alot of dps
ebon forge
is there specific gear i should get from M+ ?
runic tinsel
rings from mechagon, trinket from freehold is the better ones i think
ebon forge
i have the freehold trinket
winter gale
So, with alot of expedients r3 exsang build is way to go? Is Plumage-Vita best trinket set for it?
strange python
ty guy that told me i can switch to outlaw after getting only one new weapon and use dagger in offhand, i salute u
scarlet sequoia
np
twin bay
i love this new old build...caant wait for the next expedient 3 cycle 🙂
TA daggers let me down again last raid
winter gale
@twin bay exsang build?
twin bay
yes
winter gale
I sim 89.5k with Master Assassin build ai currently have and I can see ppl sim 8-10k more with expedient exsang build
mild star
how long left on your garote and rupture are you meant to refresh on?
winter gale
I am going for it
jovial spear
6 secs on garrote, 8 on rupture. But not with exsang, you let that run out I think
mild star
ok sweet ty ty
frosty talon
Acording herodamage, iris and breath are better Majors from bote.. Amlost the 90% assa rogues use bote in mythic+.. Whats your experience guys?
west cove
bote feels dope so its better for me xd
tropic ocean
@frosty talon my experiences is that raidbots is more accurate than herodamage or bloodmallet
and for m+ theres not much competition to bote for sin
you can sim ur char in 5-6 target for 40sec-x min fight duration and see
vestal dune
For pure single target what would be the ideal corruptions? Full expedient or full expedient with 1 rank 3 appendage?
tropic ocean
full expedient
in long killtimers for pure st infinite stars might give better results
high nacelle
has the gushing nerf gone live on raid bots weekly sim or still just daily?
frosty talon
@tropic ocean kk mate ty for the Infos
jovial spear
Do you guys use premium raidbots? or the free one?
jovial spear
ok, but thats the only difference? Or do you get more features?
vestal dune
Are rank 2 and 3 expedients worth the same dps/corruption?
frosty talon
Is this one for mythic +?
vestal dune
Rank 3 having been on week 1 for sale might take a while to get again
tropic ocean
@frosty talon its 40 sec 6 targets what I usually use to sim m+ yea
frosty talon
With exa?
tropic ocean
y
have started to use it when I pushed score and never stopped using it
its insane to get rid off hard mobs in a pack
dim sail
I noticed a lot of the top parsing rogues are playing 3x shrouded on nzoth. Does anyone know why?
actually on a lot of fights now not just nzoth
manic cipher
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
shrewd night
Short killtime = good guild = more deeps from triple shrouded
And generally a fuckton of haste
tropic ocean
also pad with cleave
dim sail
interesting. so I should probably just focus on high simming stuff for me since we are still on nzoth?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dJZp6oUQk7nEnT8g3HVyoP this is my sim rn
tribal obsidian
Doesn't SS pull ahead with high haste in even ST?