some ppl are saying nov ye
#assassination
shut garnet
frigid briar
Yeah late Nov Id say, hope no raids till jan
cobalt pelican
nov is pretty awkward cause they'll just run into the 'wait when tier start lol' problem again
vast forum
or maybe with the corona situation and blizzcon cancelled, we can have it early nov, but i doubt it
fleet whale
all we no is that it's Q4
drifting cloud
id be surprised if its not november
fleet whale
but i would say Nov
vast forum
i think early december feels best
fleet whale
cause blizz likes that month for expansion launches
vast forum
because you don't have to delay raid release too long
frigid briar
Open raid on 25th dec
drifting cloud
but people that think aug/sep clearly have no idea what fiscal quarters are
fleet whale
those people just want bfa to end
drifting cloud
because we have pretty much known it wont be that since the same day it was announced
vast forum
people who think aug/sep don't understand how far behind schedule they would be on alpha/beta 😄
tbh when it was announced, it was possible
but
alpha needed to start a month and a half earlier for that to be a reality
drifting cloud
it wasnt, it was the wording on the announcment
compare store pages of legion, bfa with sl
frigid briar
The answer is 5
drifting cloud
or well I guess for previous exp you have to check the actual articles since the pages have since been updated
I mean dont get me wrong they could have always gotten it out earlier, but just from the announcment it seemed sl never had the same release schedule as legion/bfa
upper wedge
why does raidbots want me to have 60% haste
drifting cloud
and end of the day theyre kinda tied to shareholders etc
frigid briar
Offt, finally simming 100k in 3 min sims. Gears becoming a little unscuffed every day
candid jasper
Getting a nice sim of 95k with expedient stacking, deeper strat + exsang
upper wedge
93k in 5min sim at 28 corruption, my gear is scuffed tho
echo cargo
Is Lucid minor still necessary if you're sitting at 65% haste xd, lol
upper wedge
using vex chest lul
frigid briar
Id sim yourself gucci but there is levels of gear you can drop lucid
distant lava
wait
echo cargo
Already have, it sims better, just speaking in a very feely-craft sense
drifting cloud
#badclass
distant lava
bro I don't sim for 102k even at 59
upper wedge
oof
distant lava
need more expedient I guess 
frigid briar
Im on my phone and cant see gear but higher then normal neck level and all sockets adds a good 5k
cobalt pelican
we start a 'flame all gcb players' mantra in here so that
rancid bobcat
dont look
cobalt pelican
nobody thinks it's good
and nobody flames us
for not using it
cause it's gross
rancid bobcat
idk its pretty easy
frigid briar
GBC is actually really easy to use this raid teir
cobalt pelican
n o it's STUPID
rancid bobcat
my plumage sims better but only when i get a socket
cobalt pelican
if you're not doing laps of the boss you're not playing correctly
upper wedge
a socket is 5-600 dps
distant lava
@rancid bobcat is that 475 or 465 plumage ?
rancid bobcat
465
distant lava
upper wedge
unsocket v unsocket same ilvl, plumage sims about 700 more for me than gcb
frigid briar
Corals kinda weak for exang build compared to others
And trash of fights below 4 mins
upper wedge
and awkward to use on some fights
frigid briar
That aswell
frigid briar
I think if/when fights come down to 1 minute font will become the big play
loud silo
what should i do
distant lava
swap trinkets
frigid briar
Change your transmog kek
distant lava
🤢
drifting cloud
why do you have mfd and td4
frigid briar
Fast kidney into prey on the weak 10% damage on TD obv
upper wedge
Raden head/ilgynoth shoulders/cara chest is the best for exang right?
distant lava
gorak's maybe ?
drifting cloud
goraks but not sure how close it is
frigid briar
Goraks yeah
upper wedge
no HOD on goraks tho
distant lava
last time I checked it was close but igly were higher
upper wedge
HOD is simming higher than BI for me
distant lava
and that was with 9 ranks of expedient less
upper wedge
yes
distant lava
yes
upper wedge
ss/hod/op x3
distant lava
problem is
frigid briar
Gotta understand that every rank 3 exp will change stuff. Hard to say yeah or nah to stuff or whats the go to
rancid bobcat
blightborne is doing better for me than heart
cobalt pelican
the worst part about clockwork heart is
it proccing hwne people reset the boss
and then you just
rancid bobcat
low key hoping for exp 2
cobalt pelican
don't have it
distant lava
tmr ?
rancid bobcat
30 min
frigid briar
Engi helm would have been nice if it had SS
upper wedge
Well I def need to replace my vex chest with cara chest
distant lava
ye
upper wedge
DD in exang build kek
distant lava
NP 🤢
frigid briar
That haste proc in opener must be spicey
frigid briar
I play triple HoD
upper wedge
but i dunno. cara mythic chest only simming 200 higher than my vex chest
maybe raidbots is broken
rancid bobcat
just always time clockwork correctly
distant lava
distant lava
hehe
cobalt pelican
rolfem
distant lava
🤢
frigid briar
VoP major and master% all the way
candid jasper
I think ineff will get nerfed
upper wedge
VOP major build is very fun when you get a 1min vendetta
candid jasper
Did you see the tournement? monks were going life cocoon every 15 seconds!
frigid briar
If you had ET on all slots would vendetta come off cooldown when it procd every time with VOP major?
upper wedge
loud silo
should i be using haste gems or crit?
frigid briar
Sim
distant lava
rancid bobcat
🔨
distant lava
yeah that clip is gold
frigid briar
You need like 35% crit
upper wedge
i think raidbots is broken
frigid briar
Then haste>mastery
upper wedge
why is DD simming higher than SS with exang
harsh sphinx
distant lava
not enough expedient is my guess
frigid briar
Triple SS isnt needed
rancid bobcat
did you actually pick exsanguinate
fleet anchor
Exsang/Haste makes SS pretty strong, but it's not required especially for pure ST
ilevel and other traits on the Azerite matter way more
frigid briar
Id always pick the SS though because more than 1 target
fleet anchor
Like you almost always run at least 1x SS with BiS because the 490 piece only has SS available
But if that piece had DD+HoD instead of SS+HoD would still perform better than 480 SS piece
But as Infexious says, all things being equal.. if they sim about the same, SS has more utility in cleave
But don't feel bad about running a DD piece if that is what you have
upper wedge
Vex chest, so DD/SS though DD/HOD simming higher atm
upper wedge
high haste is definitely more enjoyable. less waiting for energy
fleet anchor
It's crazy how much the downtime disappears
frigid briar
Also with DD isnt it like you cant use FoK unless like 6 targets or something?
fleet anchor
Going from one of the slowest specs ever in WoW history in Uldir
To kinda slow but not terrible with Lucid
To "LOL 1s GCD LOCKED"
it's insane
😛
upper wedge
If I had mythic ilvl in all my slots, I'd get roughly 4k sim dps just from the agility
fast nacelle
do you remember going from legion to bfa without kingsblade and way less secondary stats n stuff?
imagine we go back to old assassion without corruptions
this will be fun in shadowlands
fleet anchor
For a spec to go from like 45% downtime
hushed lion
its like that every expansion
quasi pewter
tyra
fast nacelle
its not like every expansion i dont think assa had like 100% haste
unless its a pserver
i mean we play on a pserver right now so
candid jasper
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ozdqzpa1u6XWWKLHMe8gYE
Exsang and deeper strat build
upper wedge
this is the tier with the highest amount of secondaries
fast nacelle
@quasi pewter 
upper wedge
cus corruptions
fleet anchor
lol well remember in Legion when Blizzard nerfed the secondary rating budget so we didn't get crazy out of control secondaries
hushed lion
15 min for NA beta testers to get new corruption rotation 
fleet anchor
And then they decided in BfA it was a good idea to give everyone +150% secondary stats in a single patch
😄
frigid briar
Remember when blizz said they wanted you to be able to just equip higher item lvl because its an upgrade
They made it simple for sure kek
fleet anchor
I mean I don't think there has ever been even close to as huge of a secondary rating jump as what Corruption allows now
In WoW history
rancid bobcat
i dont feel like changing my gems wtf
fleet whale
well Ion was a lawyer and not a math guy
fleet anchor
I need to get my Haste proc ring still
😦
I have the other one already
Haste one not cooperating
frigid briar
Our priest took the attack from behind ring with rank 3 exp on first week of prep....
fleet anchor
😮
frigid briar
He was benched whole tier and I still dont even have the base ring
fleet anchor
I have attack from behind at 465 w/ socket already so that is my no-brainer first enchant
Since I'm already using it
quasi pewter
@fast nacelle fotm player 
fast nacelle
i got this one in the very first dungeon of the patch day
https://i.imgur.com/8wbMfUk.png
but since i was forced to play dh i didnt even bother lol
rancid bobcat
idk how anyone doesnt have the rings tbh
hushed lion
you get the haste proc from dots also because they "hit from behind"
rancid bobcat
ive seen so many when doing m+
fast nacelle
@quasi pewter pfff
frigid briar
Legit never drops for me.
fleet anchor
I mean the chance of getting it is... really low
upper wedge
I don't have the activator 🙂
fleet anchor
It's a big loot table
frigid briar
Still no raden weap aswell
fleet anchor
Most people don't like trading them
What's the loot table size for Workshop? Probably like 15+ items right?
hushed lion
its just funny because rogue seems to be the only spec where the ring set is actually good
never really see any other class with a set
quasi pewter
what
fast nacelle
nah its good for healer lol
quasi pewter
nah its good for alot of specs
fast nacelle
also ret and warrior i think
fleet anchor
Haste proc is good for a lot of specs yeah
quasi pewter
hunter can wear it im pretty sure
hushed lion
most healers just play stats or already bought mythic corruption boe
fleet anchor
Shadow, Warlock, healers, Warrior, decent on Hunter too
quasi pewter
4 free sockets are gonna be good on almost everyone even if the stats on the rings arent best for the spec
remote panther
boomies
fast nacelle
i mean now it ll be even more valueable
fleet anchor
Like BM Hunters, attack from behind ring is mega Crit+Haste, Haste is their second best stat.. it's a good freebie
fast nacelle
since you get so much more haste out of it
frigid briar
Our holy paladin bought cloth BoE on Nzoth progression for a corruption he could get kek
fast nacelle
yeah holy pally wanted IT
same as priest
unless you played in @quasi pewter 's guild... then priest needed stable internet
hushed lion
10min bois 
fleet anchor
I'm gonna regret not grinding out a 4th token today I think... 😦
quasi pewter
drifting cloud
isnt double high crit ring better for hunters
fleet anchor
Only had time to buy 3
frigid briar
There was some weird thing with disc aswell, they could proc the behind ring if they put a dot on the target drom behind then kept the dot up or something
drifting cloud
or well I guess its close
hushed lion
dots hit from behind
cobalt pelican
that's such a like
specific b reakdown of amps
has to be gear specific no
or do they literally have a 'epic bis' setup or something
drifting cloud
yeah that 1 masterful seems kinda random
fast nacelle
they mostly have bis setup...
outer lotus
I did a gear compare on hunter and the haste set was like 1k better than the crit/haste ring twice
fleet anchor
@drifting cloud The from behind ring is mega high crit, it's a very good ring for BM already. But the BM BiS profiles atm are running Expedient/Severe mix so almost certainly worth running at high gear levels.
fast nacelle
i mean its mostly based on the gear that drops
hushed lion
most hunters still use a lot of deadly momentum because they lack the crit from gear
fast nacelle
not sure when i want to cleanse my 485 daggers for expedient
quasi pewter
scuffed arms warriors
fast nacelle
i think i ll never will
fleet anchor
Too bad I wasn't an alt
upper wedge
get spares!
fast nacelle
i still need to spend my last 40k for another rank 3 expedient
fleet anchor
Given the current corruption budget I'm not too fussed if like
fast nacelle
but cba doing 4 more visions
quasi pewter
i only needed 3 for full expedient gear
hushed lion
only was able to get 3 because im a good player and farmed essences before 
fleet anchor
Expedient II shows up in a week or something
frigid briar
I hope the corruptions trash this week on vendor because im so done with pvp this week
fleet anchor
I can fill in the gap for a while
rancid bobcat
reset soom
fast nacelle
yes i also had full essence on dh and rogue
its so scuffed
lol
if you played the game you were in a disadvantage
hushed lion
and ive been spaming m+ since wednesdy
fast nacelle
echos and vision wise
fleet anchor
My alt didn't have any
fast nacelle
such a good system
fleet anchor
Because I bought all my R3s
civic hatch
Standard blizzard
fleet anchor
Like a dumdum
hushed lion
same ma guy
fleet anchor
Because doing things properly == bad
civic hatch
Same
hushed lion
i mean
upper wedge
vendor should have been in at the start
hushed lion
imagine being punished for things you were supposed to do
fast nacelle
currency should have been resetted and 2 weeks ago with an announcement for the vendors
hushed lion
people with full essences shouldve gotten some amount of echoes after we got the vendor
civic hatch
They do this on purpose to say they listened and get on your good side again
fast nacelle
now ppl who slacked got 300k visions and 10k echos to start with
while others got fucked
welp... in the end w/e
in 4 weeks expedient rank 3 comes up again
still... bad taste
fleet anchor
I'm not even gonna use my tokens right away yet though
hushed lion
there will be bad rotations where you can save echoes
fleet anchor
Probably will wait to see what 475s I get on reset
hushed lion
also the chances of getting an upgrade from weekly m+ is really high now when you just remove corruptio
for stats
fleet anchor
yeah
fast nacelle
its funny... you only look for the stats now.. best case with socket
fathom swift
How are you slacking if you have 300k coalescing visions sitting around
rancid bobcat
i was 
and saved all my 475 gear
hushed lion
you most likely want to proc a socket on weekly m+ reward now
fleet anchor
A lot of my 475s are not "optimal" stats
fast nacelle
you just want a socket and good stats
dawn rock
ZOOM ZOOM
drifting cloud
atleast I can corrupt my high haste, crit belt from weekly now
gotta tke the small victories
dawn rock
X3 EXP ALL YOU NEED
kind gorge
How many Expedient should I run?
dawn rock
as many as you can
hushed lion
A LOT.
civic hatch
I just gotta stop getting useless trinkets and azerite from my caches kappa
hushed lion
🙏
fleet anchor
@fathom swift Well getting the visions isn't that hard if you do the weeklies... but it's easy to stockpile if you never actually RUN the HVs
kind gorge
Okay so 3 not overkill by any stretch
dawn rock
EX3 IS BABE
fleet anchor
I was lucky to have been slacking on my Rogue the last couple weeks
upper wedge
3 is low
fleet anchor
I had 100k going into this week
fathom swift
Yeah but nobody has 300k without doing dailies for months
fast nacelle
what bothered me... i wanted to enchant an item which was cleansed.. it didnt work
alright - i wanted to enchant a crafted item... it didnt work - alright
now both is fixed and i "wasted" my enchants on worse items
frigid briar
I think I have the right gear now just need to resocket it all and get more exp
cobalt pelican
my issue is i was generally incentivized to socket short term items that were my corruption slots before this
dawn rock
EX3>ALL
kind gorge
36% is low?
cobalt pelican
so i have a lot of 'good but not great' socketed pieces
frigid briar
You want haste mastery on all slots right?
kind gorge
Okay shoot I'l grab 1 more
dawn rock
GET MORE @kind gorge
kind gorge
Word roger that
proud spade
after youre done with buying contaminants you can buy vessels with the echoes to get more sockets though
dawn rock
EX3>ALL
frigid briar
Apart from bracers I think my base gears pretty decent to add stuff to
fleet anchor
Other tricky thing for me is I'm trying to balance an Outlaw set too so I don't want to scuff all my 475 filler items with Expedient 😛
Ideally can find like Haste/Mastery gear to put it on
frigid briar
Koji how good is haste for crimson tempest?
dawn rock
just run your TD3, GW and whatever for outlaw
fleet anchor
It should be pretty good
fast nacelle
just dont play outlaw
i saw mr. assassion m+ player @quasi pewter already betrayed us
fleet anchor
I play everything!
fast nacelle
calling me fotm player
hushed lion
i played around with CT im m+ for the past few days, on higher keys its actually somewhat nice
fast nacelle
playing outlaw
cobalt pelican
we playin the expedient 21 rupture everything build??
dawn rock
til you can get 3x severe, 2x r3 ST and whatever
proud spade
vendor should update now right?
hushed lion
hello US people,
please send screenshot, ty
frigid briar
If vendors up can someone send screenshot
rancid bobcat
n
fast nacelle
yes screenshot pls
hushed maple
screeeeeeeen
fleet anchor
@fast nacelle how am I supposed to keep my 1200+ all-star points in Heroic on all 3 specs if I kill all my Outlaw gear! 😛
civic hatch
Ss plzzzzz
fast nacelle
dont you get 1200 allstarpoints as sub if you already start combat as sub
rancid bobcat
vry bad
fleet anchor
lol
jovial adder
wait.....
brazen garden
avoidance?
frigid briar
Free from the clutches of pvp then
rancid bobcat
hushed lion
gushing wounds would be giga troll by blizzard now
rancid bobcat
thats 1
brazen garden
vers
frigid briar
Whats the rank 3 stat?
normal plover
brazen garden
spoilers
fast nacelle
finally leech
brazen garden
rancid bobcat
damn fk u
frigid briar
Is that masterful 1? Kek
loud silo
is deadly momentum good?
rancid bobcat
i wanted to have fun
civic hatch
Fml vers% 3
fleet anchor
No it is not
normal plover
oh sorry
civic hatch
Gotta farm for pvp
normal plover
I was trying to be helpful
loud silo
whats tuesday?
frigid briar
Im kinda glad
hushed lion
new rotation
loud silo
whats up i mean
hushed lion
mild star
has anyone figured out a bis list now that we are able to target corruptions?
hushed lion
remote panther
better version
frigid briar
3300 for avoidance kek, should gain 3300 if you scrap a piece with avoidance
fleet whale
it's a bad rotation, we are bound to see some of them
hushed lion
but yes, pvp isnt broken at all now, people just stacking even more vers now
fleet whale
it would be nice if should sold exp 3 all the time though
frigid briar
Mages gonna be raging, love it
hushed lion
42% vers in arena, 
proven moth
Does Racing pulse a good option for non-expedient gear?
fleet anchor
Yeah Racing Pulse is alright
frigid briar
I use one but will replace it with exp
wintry turret
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/twisting-nether/conqunoble Is this good or shit ?
sorry for interrupt 🙂
proven moth
Yeah I'm planning replace them with expedient at some point or some reset cus I can reach 180% haste at some point >.>
hushed lion
remember that your racing pulse will gain more and more value the more exp you have
so it might be worth replacing something else if you can fit it
proven moth
Sims says run Infinite Stars xD
loud brook
wew the corruptions on the flip are shit
frigid briar
Racing pulse is spicey if it procs on pull
hushed lion
raidbots has a fixed value for infinite stars and tentacles
if you run quick sim for example, you will always have 5 tentacle procs on a 5min fight
upper wedge
it rarely ever does close to what it sims tho
hushed lion
i have run so many sims and its always 5 procs
and since there is no bad luck protection thats coming with it
proven moth
Yeah I'm aiming for the uhm top gear option
warm parcel
Theres no fixed values for procs
Thats average over 25000 boss pulls
6000 of those might have 0
and another 4000 might have 35
hushed lion
loud brook
I went rank 6 tendies and 3 shroud with hod to see what the damage %s would be
hushed lion
:unluck i guess
loud brook
garrote and tendies were doing equal damage
hushed lion
i was memeing during our heroic boost runs because i got a lot of tentacles early on and they ticked for 196k crit
was with TB build btw
just checked, its 2 months ago
mint valve
so i have 5 expedient III, and a racing pulse III, but my sim wont go higher than 82k...
i have 480 azerites, over 470 ilvl with 7 sockets. but whenever i put expedients in gear compare it comes out with bad results.
arctic walrus
link
subtle stream
include a report...it has to be either your talents, azzy choices, trinkets, or wep. that's silly. i've got pretty rough-shod gear and I sim around 85k
also what kind of sim? 5minutes/10min?
mint valve
which link would you guys like?
my current gear?
because i have 4 expedients sitting in my bags.
with 25 minutes left of refund
errant delta
what major is everyone running for TB build
tight glacier
BOTE before or after Exsang in the opener?
quasi pewter
after @tight glacier
tight glacier
Figured.
Was playing with both and felt i was losing too much bleed with the extra gcd
mint valve
there is a sample of what i was playing around with.
i have 3 more expedients in my bag even with that^
hushed lion
@lime edge start by simming your essences. Breath major really doesn't give a lot
hushed lion
Oh that's a big yikes then
lime edge
mint valve
if i give someone my simcraft raw text, do you think you could dink around with my gear and see if you can pull higher than 90k with 5 expedients?
hushed lion
@mint valve did you try simming with vers and / or crit enchants?
mint valve
my current gear has crit and vers 😄
hushed lion
Because right now you are basically running a pretty good exsang set.
If you gem crit or vers it will boost DD by a lot
mint valve
yeah which is confusing to me, because when i change to exang. the numbers go DOWN
drifting cloud
breath major is fine, and r3 doesnt boost major on st, just minor
brazen beacon
Anything special I need to add to my advanced sim to have BoTE sim higher for SS build?
rancid blaze
So are you guys that are running exsang build just going ham on haste?
hushed lion
@brazen beacon I think condensed always sims higher for exsang because of the 15% haste. The question is do you want a de-synced cd
rancid blaze
Hey zey were you in Nepenthe?
brazen beacon
Yes.
rancid blaze
Ohhhh shit it’s me Damedash
rancid blaze
Yeah it is
brazen beacon
@hushed lion Thanks for the info.
near willow
good candidate for a rank 3 expedient?
proud spade
think you wanna try to get mechagon rings no?
brazen beacon
^
near willow
i tried a lot
hushed lion
@brazen beacon it really depends on the boss too. But right now kill times are so fast......
near willow
😛
tight glacier
I'm really debating cleansing Carapace dagger for Expedient...
near willow
ill keep trying tho
tight glacier
Someone talk me into/out of it. :S
hushed lion
What ilvl tho
tight glacier
meh 470
proud spade
do you raid mythic?
tight glacier
Not on the rogue.
rancid blaze
Do it
tight glacier
Rogue is behind on cloak resistance and it frees up some corruption for IS
strange python
do we BoE after or before exang?
tight glacier
BotE after Exsang, I just asked this :3
proud spade
so the best upgrade is gonna be a random weekly chest dagger
hushed lion
I mean you most likely can put it on a 465 dagger too if you really want to and then equip it in offhand
proud spade
id say do it
tight glacier
Yeah I already have a 475 chest dagger. It's just that my offhand dagger is lacking anyway.
proud spade
oh
tight glacier
I'd put it on that, but that doesn't solve the corruption puzzle.
hushed lion
Maybe next week with +3 res?
tight glacier
Cleansing it is an immediate +8k dps increase.
I guess I'm trying to rationalize that I can probably get a more flexible tentacle somewhere else of a higher ilvl
Like cleansing Mindflay 2 off 470 cara dagger and if I miss it, tossing it on the 475 from corruption vendor instead
It's not feeling very worth it unless it gets god procs tbh
hushed lion
I cleansed my first tentacle yesterday on a 475 socketed belt
hushed lion
The more haste the more procs
tight glacier
Argh this corruption is hurting my head
strange python
tight glacier
I guess I'll just suck it up for now.
Until I have corruption res for Expedient 3 on one of my 475's
Alternatively I just Expedient 3 it anyway and make Grand Delusions a healer mechanic kekw
minor thicket
Question - after your initial opener using exsangugate when do you know to use it next
fathom swift
When it comes off cd
minor thicket
Really that’s it
civic hatch
I mean you probably want your bleeds near max duration
minor thicket
That makes sense so just as I reapply them
fathom swift
Yeah you want to set up for it coming off cd but you dont want to delay it
placid dawn
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kwJJgXoS4CshPvSm6PEQJf any obvious gear upgrades i should look for?
dps seems kinda shit for the item level
arctic walrus
try simming mythic droptimizer
placid dawn
its just the azerite i put there and vita
arctic walrus
it's also just <39 sim without that many sockets
placid dawn
i did that already
placid dawn
so, the difference between me and those crazy 100k+ sims is sockets and more corruption?
placid dawn
cool, thanks guys
rancid bobcat
god i need a cara dagger
but only 1 cause i corrupted a 475
and ill be sad if i dont get chest
digital timber
Is ss exang our top dps build for single target? Does it compare to arms warriors?
shy dust
placid dawn
cant help it if azerite lottery is against me 😦
strange python
Guys I try to get info about how to properly use exanguinate but... Im pretty confused xD
I do the opener from the guide but out of that, just refresh bleeds and use on cooldown after that?
obtuse grove
!wa
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dawn seal
hey guys i got a question for pve ST stats, is mastery more valuable than crit? bloodmallet says crit and method.gg says mastery with haste being more important in both articles.
quasi pewter
you should sim your own character
dense rivet
is lucid dreams still good?
rancid bobcat
yes
civic forge
so why is it that when im pressing purify on specific pieces in raidbots, it chooses to not purify them and instead purifies other pieces when im trying to see if expident is better than the corruptions im choosing to purify off?
i can link the sim if needed
dense rivet
how do i increase my corruption resistance i got 2 pieces of infinite stars but it gives me 80 corruption and my cape is lvl 8
indigo current
Get that level 15 cape 👌🏻
dense rivet
im 450 ilvl u think i can do it?
indigo current
Easily
arctic walrus
once you get level 15 cloak, you can increase it by +6 every week by doing normal and above nzoth and a full clear vision
you can look up videos there's a bunch
indigo current
And the catch up will make it even faster to get to 15 than before
rancid bobcat
@civic forge something you should probably ask in the raidbots discord
indigo current
Basically it just requires less pages to get the upgrade for your cloak now
arctic walrus
you can get 1 level per vision
dense rivet
So 0/4 pages is valley of spirits,, the drag , the valley of honor then back to threall?
thrall&
arctic walrus
for the pages you actually dont have to kill thrall
but obviously you should for more mementos as well as gear
runic tinsel
Im undecided on what azerite to buy, i got heroic shoulders from cara that i use for ST, and a really bad helm without the 3d EB trait for AoE(ilvl 465). Buy aoe helm, or is goraks a big upgrade for ST?
dense rivet
does thrall drop u a page
arctic walrus
1-6 you need to only kill thrall
7-12 you only need medium zones
13-15 hard zones
arctic walrus
uh it's not drag or spirits
so right now you are fine to just go to garona and do the totems
dense rivet
done that
arctic walrus
yeah you do that like 5 more times
arctic walrus
if you want to get through the levels as quickly as possible
dense rivet
ez
arctic walrus
how far down are you the research tree
strange python
haste vs versitility ?
arctic walrus
sim
dense rivet
that anly gave me 2 pages i thought it was gunna give me 4...
and thats have far i am g
arctic walrus
then vers
strange python
ok ty for tips
arctic walrus
okay so I guess you need to full clear if you want 1 vision per level
my apologies for that it's a new change and I haven't seen it in action
drifting cloud
Did you try turning in the quest, 2 should be enougj
Its a cache thing showing it as grey but you can turn it in
echo haven
Hi guys, new Assa Rogue here!
Do you have any advice to build up the character? And mostly what is your rotation for multi target? Because i do more damage in single target than in multi target hahahah
I think rogue is a quite complex class but is really really interesting and funny, so i would like to learn to play it correctly!
rancid bobcat
gushing nerf is in the new sim nightly
sad time for me 
and now im heading toward mastery fuck
modern bear
Does mastery work on gushing???
quasi pewter
no
tropic ocean
@echo haven you can start off by reading the wowhead guide for the basics
and no its not really complex
echo haven
@tropic ocean ive already read it
analog phoenix
Could anyone post me a real strong ST sim, please? I'm curious what is possible. I'm also puzzled why exchanging my setup to 3x expedient III + stars 2 + gw is not simming better than my current setup (expedient I, 2x stars2, gw)
versed mica
So should I just be stacking pure expedients, or should I be adding other stuff with it?
analog phoenix
nevermind, I got it working. a 0.4% increase, maybe I'll keep the echos for outlaw m+ spec then. still curious to see a top ST sim
plain jewel
whats the best way to use the hidden blades talent for fights like vex? do u just wait till max stacks and press it then? or spam it?
scarlet sequoia
don’t use it
random sandal
Hi i have a question, i am pmaying assa rogue only for singletarget mythic bossfights in nyalotha. I am stacking teisted appendage, like every top rogue in warcraftlogs. But when i am looking here you guys are stacking expedient. Why?
royal lantern
cus rng tentacles suck balls
going by toplogs this tier(logs in general this tier tbh) is worthless as hell because tentacles/stars is a thing
top logs for everyone is more or less somone that stacked them and had the 1 out of 10000pull where it proced all the time on the right target
storm nymph
👍🏻
royal lantern
stat corruptions are WAY more consistant with 0 rng involved, and you should take a permanent dmg increase instead of the "maybe im really really really lucky this pull and do more dmg" corruptions
plain jewel
I got 1 rank 3 tentacle and 3 r3 expedients. simming 91.7K
i was running tentacles before. if they dont proc its just lame
green forge
here is my usual setup with DD / HoD traits with TB sim : https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iq7RJXex8cMHQHVhCPqGoq
here is my SS / NP traits with Exsang' sim : https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3Qc5wDPc6eqYurgLLp7hXx
Any thought ? I feel like I'm missing something about Exsang build
thin holly
Try simming HoD over NP to start
scarlet sequoia
you don’t play ss np
grizzled trail
Drop that infinite stars bs
heavy forum
How many weeks is it gonna Take to Get the legendary daggers? Ish
hollow vault
want to say it was like 6 or 7?
heavy forum
Aight
viral valve
Are we stacking haste on everything with the expedient build?
royal lantern
would not really make sense without beeing more haste focused right?
analog phoenix
man this proc stuff really is annoying. i think we need median damage instead of average damage before being able to properly sim
royal lantern
still sim your stuff
viral valve
Yeah, it's just hard to get it simmed before I have the expedients, and It might be problematic ending up with something like 250 vers and crit
royal lantern
just sinm and use your best options
hollow cloud
Guys what do u think of racing pulse?
drifting cosmos
Not as good as exp for most ppl imo
sly fern
viral valve
How much haste do you have outside of expedient?
Racing pulse will sim better if your haste is low outside of the proc
hollow cloud
oh i get it, i thought stacking like half expedient and half racing pulse would be a good idea but prob just stacking expedient is better
green forge
Try simming HoD over NP to start
@thin holly
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gR25nHH6L9iBrGacLB4a56
Kinda better, but still lower
feral creek
@green forge thats because of the stars u running in the DD build but SS ist constant dmg with allmost no rng
green forge
yes that's true about Infinite stars, that's why I'm looking for something more constant when I'll be able to change these infinite starts
@modern bear yeah I saw a rogue that linked it yday
modern bear
What was the dps??
storm nymph
future raz is like 111k
modern bear
111 on slice?
storm nymph
oh no
modern bear
My outlaw spec is swimming 103k
Simming
And my assa 90
On aoe
Full echoing blades
green forge
green forge
modern bear
Assa with a lot of haste would be more fun
brazen garden
did anybody try the obisidan claw trinket from maut with insane haste
modern bear
Then go 3 shrouded and rape all pakcs??
tropic ocean
haste is not really good for multi target
compared to other stats
since u have 0 downtime in aoe anyway as assa
modern bear
Ye but it makes garrote
Do more dmg
And ruptute
And u rupture 2-3 targets
So itdbbe good anyway
I mean with a max expedient build it should still be good to run like +20s
Echoing blades lacks SO hard on bosses
tropic ocean
it wont
and
u spend most of the time to fight trash anyway
ur boss dmg is fine
and for aoe haste is inferior to other stats
modern bear
I know it is
But running the full exped build is probably better than having a trash one since u spent all ur echoes on expedient..
I just mean when i get that set
tropic ocean
no its not
tropic ocean
u wont run expedient in m+
modern bear
I alrdy bought 1 strikethrough
So thats good i guess
I wanted to get versa
So i have for pvp too
But not sure how im gonna mix that in
warm drift
if u have no echoing blades. would u go for full crit/critdmg too?
dusky moon
you still need some haste
warm drift
m+ that is, sry
modern bear
Im sure with three SS
And u have 2 severe
3 expedient
U will destroy packs
Use crimson tempest
Or whatever it is calles
And make sure 3 garrotes and 2 rupture are up
Plus the aoe bleed
Then just single target rotation on the big mob
With coral
royal tree
is the carapace chest essential for exsang build or is it more expedient based?
warm drift
im so confused what to get for m+. because i have no echoing blades. but i guess sevvere/striketrough is the go, since its good for outlaw too. dunno
dusky moon
depends on fortified vs tyrannical
modern bear
And it was still fine
On tyrannical
Since u do a lot on single target
And still have some garrotes and rupture running
Ppl here think we all have the echoes to get for 4 different builds
warm drift
im unlucky with gambling. but cba playing outlaw all the time
modern bear
But in sure u can have fun wth mixibg
Mixing
Like one build
It is not like we run +27s anyway
warm drift
yeah. i think severe/critdmg is a good allrounder
modern bear
Im looking into going also versa
Actually on my outlaw spec
And my echoing
Versa % was simming better than severe
On 2 severes vs 2 versas
Also curious if anyone tried the expedient build out in pcp
Pvp
dim yacht
seems like even with gushing wound nerfs it might still be best for m+ still has decent damage on aoe and ST, so seems to give best of both worlds
willow pulsar
Ye, for tyranical weeks and kr/ws we definitely would like to play some GW even after nerfa
dusky moon
about 70k, yeah
modern bear
Gw has 66 percent uptime
dusky moon
total damage overall
obtuse bluff
What do you think about engineer goggles traits ?
modern bear
So it is good every week
Yee noobies i have that too
Dpeends dungeon
Idk how ppl do 100k
I had a mage with 130k
Last time
tropic ocean
its not a very good week
dusky moon
fortified set is https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uzFiD8quDShqLX6snSekCi
tropic ocean
and if u do 65k tahts just really low
modern bear
Maxed fire mage
dim yacht
theyre an okay filler piece until you have something better for raids @obtuse bluff
terrible for m+
tropic ocean
so?
tropic ocean
it is
modern bear
Sure bud
tropic ocean
itemlevel does barely matter
modern bear
On assa
obtuse bluff
@dim yacht maut mythic head better then ?
tropic ocean
well u try to find excuses
tropic ocean
its not about being on a high horse
modern bear
Big boi e-hero
tropic ocean
65k is last season dps
modern bear
I didnt play last seasob
dim yacht
yes, mythic maut is better
modern bear
Literally 90%
tropic ocean
trying to find excuse to justify low dps wont improve u
obtuse bluff
@dim yacht ty
tropic ocean
ilvl barely matters
modern bear
On top of the world
tropic ocean
its about corruptions and sockets
tropic ocean
I actually wear ilvl 474 in dungeon
but that doesn't change that you wont use expedient in m+
nor raid set
and that 65k overall is low dps for sin rogue
modern bear
I dobt
Have
Anything else
Which is great
One td rank 3
I have a lot of leech corruptions
tropic ocean
and td 3 is already strong for overall
:^)
its also not worth to ever use raidbuild in m+, unless your raidbuild is 3ss 2/3hod and bbi
but dd, just never
rigid mango
!mute @modern bear 4h lets calm down, not dodge the filter and learn some word choice.
high nacelle
anyone playing deeper strat notice much of a difference with the smoothness/flow of rotation? starting to sim better for me with the expediants but have never played with it
or will i not really notice?
loud gull
whats the best potion for raids ?
dusky moon
by popular demand "dungeon slice sim sucks big time" sim https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p1boBLPQxB57Ggu58pXPc5
loud gull
unbriddled fury or focussed resolve ?
grim trellis
I'm a bit confused with the EB description. it says the first 5 crits. does this start as soon as you crit with a FoK? and after it crits 5 times does an internal cooldown start before it can affect 5 more crits?
and is there a window after the first crit to allow for those 5 more crits? like you have 10s to get 4 more crits with FoK or something
wet ruin
FoK crit is per target hit
So if there are 10 targets
and you FoK, the first 5 targets that you crit on will proc the eb effect
Or up to 5 rather
grim trellis
ah I see. thank you
calm lily
galecallers boon with exsang build is good right?
bleak spoke
It’s really really really annoying to play sometimes
tropic ocean
it ends in barely having any dead gcds
bleak spoke
And other times it feels really good
tropic ocean
I played exsang build when I only had 1 expedient and it already was fine with deeper strata
you won't notice the energy rec with multiple expedients compared to what we used to pool with with dd build
bleak spoke
I didn’t have any and it was fine
fathom swift
there was a thing I was looking at with galecallers where simc usage wasn't necessarily the optimal with exsang, so it could also sim like a couple hundred dps more than it does with current apl
high nacelle
@tropic ocean thanks. i've only been able to compare on dummy so far and DS sims almost 1k above vigor with r14 expediant
tropic ocean
with so much expedient u shouldnt have any issue filling gcds anyway
bleak spoke
But my gear had lots of haste by coincidence at that point
tropic ocean
like with dd build we had 30%? pooling or so
😄
and on many fights u can just multi dot
to not have any issues 🙂
high nacelle
yeh 45% unbuffed haste so I guess thats why its simming better
bleak spoke
The burst window is also very strong for many of the fights
high nacelle
i can't get exsang simming better yet, my azerite is not good enough, but the noticeable thing, from hitting a dummy, was having non Muti Env Muti Env Muti Env; TB windows
with DS there's always a second muti
minor thicket
Do you need to run deeper strat with exsan?
high nacelle
my sim says no DS without Exsang
high nacelle
sorry bad grammar, my sim says no. tells me to use DS but I don't have exsang
minor thicket
That’s what I thought. I was only able to grab 1X, expedient
bleak spoke
What traits are you playing
minor thicket
Ya
high nacelle
i may be able to upgrade all 3 azerite pieces to Gibbering, Goraks and Darkheart within the week
sorry i simmed my gear with 3 SS too on other azerite
minor thicket
Right now im subterfuge and either 1xss or all DD depending on fight
high nacelle
but this sims much higher
bleak spoke
If you have dd you generally play Tb because tb buffs dd
The reason why, I think, it wants deeper is because you have a lot of haste and more finishers are actually not as impactful as bigger finishers - with triple dd mutilate is a very very good button
As long as envenom buff is active
So in a world where you can maintain env buff with deeper
It’s probably just better, even if it’s awful feeling to play
high nacelle
makes sense thanks. Just feels slightly less efficient but I'm guessing that'll change when more familiar and maybe even in raid
minor thicket
But it’s not bad to play sub with TB with 2 DDtraits and 1 x SS
bleak spoke
Personally yes that might sim better but I think I would hate how it feels to play Tb with deeper so much I just wouldn’t
bleak spoke
Subterfuge just scales better in a world where you get diminishing returns from ma