Figured mastery would've been valued a bit higher than that.
#assassination
tight glacier
loud brook
I'd say pin that tbh
tight glacier
I also vote to pin that.
light pebble
Agree
tight glacier
Someone ping a mod.
woeful minnow
hey I didn't know that existed, I was pasting in the bonus ids manually, that's neat
scarlet sequoia
scarlet sequoia
there u go
light pebble
If let's say the 470 did sim better, you don't think it's worth saving the exp3 for a 475 crit haste from a weekly chest since the difference is so negligable?
loud brook
For main weapon, prolly
lean marten
crit food nom
loud brook
Offhand is just a glorified stat stick
tropic ocean
@light pebble the difference between 470 and 475 in raw stats is very small
but it as said comes down how big your stat weights are apart
light pebble
Fair enough
tropic ocean
personally i'd say waiting to get the right slot with right stats from weekly chest is bad
by the time you probably get that item
u can corrupt ur old
and just buy new expedient for new item
😄
loud brook
Love that pepe rogue pfp btw
tight glacier
Thanks @scarlet sequoia
light pebble
I have a exp3 glove in my bank at 475 but it's crit mastery :/ would you still consider it worth just cause of exp3?
Haha ty @loud brook
tight glacier
I figured Mastery was pretty valuable on Exsang
tropic ocean
sure
but its not what I consider
just sim it in gear compare
like I put expedient on crit mastery boots
light pebble
Ye not able to sim atm since at work
loud brook
My stats are also really even. Every stat is worth around 9 and agi is worth 3
light pebble
Just mind theory crafting
tropic ocean
and haste versa gloves
and whatever
what sim told me is my best options out of my items
terse orchid
Finally gonna do some mythic nyalotha. What kind of build are people running nowadays? Warcraftlogs is down :\
light pebble
Gotchya
woeful minnow
@terse orchid https://nyalotha.subcreation.net/index.html
light pebble
Do we still want galecallers + vita as bis trinkets for the exsang build?
late iron
Do we know approx what amount of haste extant takes over?
terse orchid
@woeful minnow thanks!
late iron
Exsang *
tropic ocean
for exsang u probably want coral+vita
or high ilvl plumage/pvp trinket if u have access to it
galecallers is tricky to play
tight glacier
I haven't had a lot of issues with Galecallers in Mythic tbh
civic hatch
Which pvp tinker?
tropic ocean
well whenever you need to move you lose value of it
versa on use one
gladiator badge smth
similar to plumage
tropic ocean
it def is
but i wouldn't use it for progressing anything
as you have other shit to do than focusing on getting uptime on ur trinket
tight glacier
That's probably fair, it rewards very thorough knowledge of the fight and incoming mechanics
tropic ocean
or even inting while forcing uptime
for farm it is probably one of the best trinkets with exsang build
light pebble
I don't have a 475 badge :( Guess I'll either get plume or keep on using my 445 coral
tight glacier
I get a pretty gigantic damage spike in the Vanish/BoTE/Galecaller window
tropic ocean
its more than fine
alpine rain
whats the drest essences?
cobalt pelican
i actually got my 40 handin trophy today
and went to the handin guy
and learned it's based on cr
and i tanked my cr
to like 1.2k
:)
light pebble
Is urs socketed?
tropic ocean
@alpine rain breath major/lucid minor/vop minor(maybe)/conflict n strife
@light pebble nah neverlucky
light pebble
Same F
light pebble
Are we only changing TB - > Exang in the talents and then still running CLF major - botd, Lucid, conflict minor?
loud brook
Yeah breath is stupid good on drest
tidal gorge
I've finally done a bunch of sims today and it seems most of the gains toward those high numbers is from corruption past safe prog levels (50+). The 7th and 8th simmed expedients with my current gear put me head and shoulders (5-10k) above optimal gear running just 6. For most people it may not be worth going overboard until you can stack them
tropic ocean
@light pebble deeper stratagem too
@tidal gorge depends also on how good you play
i progressed nzoth from pull 1 with 59 corruption
light pebble
At what point is DS better to pick up?
tropic ocean
and i think I died 2 times or so due to corruption slow
plain thistle
too much haste, you need need vigor
tropic ocean
which couldve been fixed by better positioning
tight glacier
Is CLF simming higher than BOTE just a meme or is that probably accurate for me?
loud brook
I wonder at what haste level deeper stratagem feels as fast as vigor
light pebble
Yeah @loud brook
tight glacier
timings just annoying to play around or why are more people not running it then?
tropic ocean
which is good when u get like 1.8 or smth haste for every point haste
loud brook
Timings
tropic ocean
because it doesn't line up as good
loud brook
Are awful
tight glacier
makes sense
tropic ocean
and u also need to watch fight timer to use it efficiently
while bote is just braindead use with vendetta
tidal gorge
I'm not saying it's not possible, just that for most people you probably shouldn't swap a bunch of gear because it doesn't start to sim in the godlike range until you get 7-8 expedients
loud brook
And u need vop minor to make vendettas line up with clf
light pebble
8 ranks or 8 rank 3s? @tidal gorge
tropic ocean
I mean generally when you are progressing now theres no point to hold for new items with expedient
you want your power now for progress
by the time expedient is up again you probably have so much echoes to enchant all ur gear
loud brook
Oh god
tidal gorge
8 rank 3's
tropic ocean
so if you want to help your progress
loud brook
Trying not to buy corruptions for all my other specs
tropic ocean
pimp your gear as much as you can*
loud brook
Is gonna be so hard to resist
tropic ocean
well for other spec u need to wait anyway
for outlaw u want crit afaik
which is not up so
🤷
indigo elk
for outlaw most of the budget just goes to 2 x slapper already anyway
light pebble
@tropic ocean at what haste level do you think deeper strat will feel as good as vigor to play?
loud brook
I know, but I mean like I want to gear sin first
tropic ocean
uhm idk
I played deeper exsang with 0 expedient in nzoth
and never really had energy issue
loud brook
Resisting the temptation is gonna be hard
light pebble
Yeah that's true
tropic ocean
basically in most fights u multidot
now with 5 expedients
i need to focus to not overcap
😄
light pebble
Haha
I got 10 total expedients atm (3x rank 3 and 1x rank). When I go home and sim I hope it will b better than my current IS5 build which sims for 93k
loud brook
Should I follow the quick sim opener for sanguinate or is there some other way to open up
loud brook
Yup
tropic ocean
@loud brook garrote rupture garrote vendetta mutilate rupture exsang
usually
theres some different opener discussed in #tc-research might be superior, but might also be inferior
loud brook
Gotcha, ty
tight glacier
feelycrafting kek
lean marten
technically u can have full uptime if there are no adds within 40yds depends on fight :^)
light pebble
Do u just use exsang on CD during the fight? Never used it before so gonna be a learning experience xD
light pebble
Yeah ofc haha
tropic ocean
and for the deeper stratagem question, it gets better the more haste you have
as you can see from decked rogues like raz
barely any pooling anymore
tropic ocean
with vigor it would be overkill for sure
light pebble
Fuck still can't decide if I wanna go CLF or bote major haha
loud brook
Bote if there's constant adds like vex
tropic ocean
bote if you dont wanna focus on anything
dps difference is small most likely anyway
loud brook
I like lucid even with haste because it just lets me go ham more often
light pebble
Formless void seems spicy
loud brook
I think if you have high crit and haste you keep lucid cause of the mutilate procs
light pebble
And iris on pure ST
loud brook
If you go all in on haste
loud brook
You go void and meme beam minor
cobalt pelican
just going to have to see
glacial ermine
Guys, what do u think about major VoP build? It looks pretty cool at paper but is it cool at real situations?
cobalt pelican
you keep stacks in basically every environment
loud brook
I dont like not being able to control my vendettas
Reactionary playstyles are not my cup of tea
strange python
I like vop major
royal lantern
you stack it too 10 almost instantly and get 3stacks on a fresh target again
strange python
Its not reactionary u just keep playing normal
royal lantern
the entire "beam minor is only good for pure st" thing is not true simply because its at max stack after like 4sec
light pebble
Is siming patchwork still best for nya or should we be siming something else that had a few extra mobs?
@royal lantern ah ok fair
loud brook
I like patchwork for st and 4 bosses 1:30 to estimate my aoe potential
late iron
The highest I can get my sim to is 81,000... I feel like with my gear it should be closer to 90
Thats my best sim thus far
And I cant get exsanguinate to work worth a damn. sorry for spam, just looking to optimize and struggling hard
mellow pier
sim seems about right for ur gear
mellow pier
its st sim
loud brook
I get 80k too on st
You're doing fine in my opinion
Ppl with 100k plus are running ALOT of corrupted pieces
royal lantern
ppl with 100k+ where lucky as hell with corruptions before we got the vendor, and where able too minmax the rest, while other people are more or less "catching up"
dont sweat over not beeing that high lol
spark olive
how does SF beat MA with TB build is it just the sole reason you don't have to rely on the MA crit and can get extended garrote out instantly??
vapid scarab
it just does more damage
royal lantern
subterfue scales way better
green forge
Hi everyone,
Can someone help me out, especially about when 3 SS traits are better than 3 DD ?
I've been trying to swap gear from 3-DD 2-HoD 1-NP (with toxic blade) by 3-SS 2-NP 1-ClockworkHeart with Exsang' and still sim lower for patchwerk 5min, any thought ?
I'm talking about raid optimization btw 🙂
royal lantern
master assassin is only 50% crit
vapid scarab
it's better when your sim says it's better
royal lantern
subterfuge is a 80% dmg buff on a ability that scales with all stats+with coral you will probably overcap crit during your cd windows
spark olive
so have 31% base crit i should get away from MA esp since im running BOTE
strange python
@green forge exsang scales with haste cuz it snapshots and a big piece for that build is the 490 cara chest so dont sweat it
idle ember
opener running Subterfuge without SS the same as with?
strange python
Im running normal build with expedient t9 rn
No u use garrote only once without ss
steep obsidian
i dont think i ever remember getting over 50% crit unbuffed in an expac before this one 😐
royal lantern
welcome too the expac where you have 123512551 passive stat procs and modifications
steep obsidian
running 5 severe right now
desert kelp
does the Expedient value rise the more you get of it? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4Gpmma52cgPR7LkKXUe9UP currently 4x exp sims 10k less than 2exp 1 is
also is ~85k even near to a good sim
feels lackluster
fleet jacinth
i sim for 75k and im happy about that
desert kelp
played healer this tier so no clue what it should be
celest ruin
twisted appendage stacking good in m+?
terse orchid
I missed something in my 2 month break I think. Is haste suddenly BIS?
rancid spade
royal lantern
haste was always one of our best stats for the entire expac
now you can stack the haste corruption and it has a synergie with bleed tick rate
terse orchid
Is that also good for M+ or is pretty much just raiding?
royal lantern
raiding, less value for m+
terse orchid
because i recall mainlining crit and mast in the past with haste being an afterthought
royal lantern
m+ is still crit/mastery stacking
terse orchid
Cool, thanks
oh fuck and ofcourse expedient is for sale this week when I have 0 echoes :\
mellow pier
clockwork is simming really good for me now w/ expedients
steep obsidian
85k is a decent sim if you don thave like mythic carapace daggers or and 490 azurite
rogues dont have op sims like hunters do
desert kelp
how high should I be doing lets say in mythic ST encounters? also is my sim just broken or is 12 expedient really 10k worse than 6exp 3 IS
steep obsidian
IS is a sim bait
steep obsidian
and IS is only useful on like 3 fights
royal lantern
dps checks where nerfed multiple times by now
desert kelp
so I should aim for roughly expedient 20?
steep obsidian
sims still useful to figure out what does more dam tho
worldly sandal
youre also losing the bonus from HoD in that sim
steep obsidian
coz more dam is never bad
limpid crater
Which appendage rank is more efficient per corruption? Rank 1, 2, or 3?
tropic ocean
@steep obsidian yeah no point to compare patchwerk sim
to see 3 ss exsang is bad
on fights where u multi dot 2 or 3 times
😄
tropic ocean
ye
desert kelp
can't sim 5-6 expedient, just wondering if it's worth to bust my ass off for the next ~24 hours and spam arena like I don't live to see the day after tomorrow
desert kelp
atleast top gear only lets you see 2 extra
tropic ocean
anytime mate
eager delta
is exped stacking still good for dd/blade, or is it strictly for ss/exsang builds and crit is better for dd/blade?
balmy condor
good for both
desert kelp
the full explanation is in the pins but it is good for dd
tropic ocean
@eager delta sim
winter willow
any expedient logs on the level of appendage yet?
royal lantern
not a big difference krude
elfin saffron
is carapace weps on hc better then mythic wrathion
tropic ocean
@winter willow 0 logs as site is down
but most likely there wont be many top logs that can compete with top log tent logs
due to massive rng
winter willow
oh ok
winter willow
just checking the site right now
tropic ocean
like expedient with proper playstyle will most likely always give you close to your sim dps
winter willow
and went looking for logs
tropic ocean
while tent can give you
winter willow
so expedient is better on average?
tropic ocean
it has basically no variance
besides your kill time / azerite,trinket procs, and how constant u play
winter willow
that is rather irrelevant to me, as i'm no longer progressing
tropic ocean
then its your build with least rng
winter willow
whatever turns out to be better on average is important
tropic ocean
compared to stars/tents or crit
it also sims higher than stacking tents afaik
so yeah 1 out of 20 parses you will have that massive tent parse but I rather play consistent
winter willow
yeah but rng is usually still a gaussian distribution, so on average i'll choose the one with higher average output
might just be a tighter spread with expedient
tropic ocean
with mythic gear and expedient stack it sims higher as well than tent afaik
desert kelp
hmm expedient 6 still sims like 2k less, but that's a consistent 82k instead of inconsistent 84.9k I suppose?
tropic ocean
depends on fight
tropic ocean
on > 1 target its probably higher than 84.9k already
royal lantern
immagine it that way
tentacles is a 20%increase, but sometimes its 150%, stats is always 80%
no real numbers ofc
winter willow
that's feelycraft
royal lantern
but just too somewhat explain it
winter willow
can't sim that
royal lantern
thinking that tentacles is HIGHER ON AVERAGE is feelcraft lol
tropic ocean
obviously over 1million iterations it will even out
but u can just see it from people playing with tents
1 pull 10% dmg
one pull 30% dmg
and so on
but even then
expedient stack is higher than tents
on avg too
😄
spring topaz
Yeah I ditched that and took racing pulse instead. I do not regret it
tropic ocean
like due to the nature of the trait the highest high is higher on tent
or due to nature of the fight as well
when u get 3 or 4 tents proccing on psychus well
hard to compete with anything
but how often will that happen
🤷
winter willow
it's still a gaussian distribution, it's not like every try is a statistical outlier
royal lantern
mate
royal lantern
how else can we tell you
tropic ocean
to even it out
winter willow
imma need some sims or logs
tropic ocean
so if you are unlucky u will have 5 bad kills
or 2 good kills
as its rng
and on avg its worse than expedient stack
you can check it from low and high iterations on sim
royal lantern
if you go by logs tentacles and IS is the absolute best cus somone was lucky as hell for once and got all the perfect procs
that doesnt make it good on average
strange python
I guess it comes from what you want, but I think consistency is the way to go over hoping for a good proc kill
scenic nacelle
One of the reasons I stopped hitting him with shield up during downtime
winter willow
that looks like a gaussian distribution
tropic ocean
if that makes you understand better
winter willow
and i like that "mean" number
tropic ocean
yeah
fleet jacinth
it is
tropic ocean
except that with same corruption ur mean number
will be 105k
while ur max and min will be within
4-5k
instead of 40k
🙂
fleet jacinth
ur destined to get a gaussian distribution with proc % chances
winter willow
oh course i am, don't explain the distribution
tropic ocean
😄
fleet jacinth
llol
winter willow
i already did, the conclusion is that i'm gonna sim it later when i can be bothered to enter all the items with the right corruptions
fleet jacinth
feels bad to do the same thing on two pulls and have >10k dps difference
winter willow
irrelevant to me though
tropic ocean
u can just
copy all corruptions here
but to give u an example of rng capable it is
thats 83 corruption tents
surreal nova
This looks very promising. Was about to buy me the tent corr when a friend said I should check the discord. Glad I did. Anything with less casino rng and similar dps is a godsent for me atm.
fleet jacinth
cheaper too
tropic ocean
@lean marten yeah
atm i use unbridled with bl to fish for procs
and focused 2nd pot
with exsang vendetta bote
lone junco
@tropic ocean 👍 did we do one for the high expedient exang build yet?
tropic ocean
oh yeah sure
lone junco
to see if is as narrow as expected
rancid bobcat
the page will scale the graph visually
lone junco
he still has a tendy i think. but thats pretty nice
rancid bobcat
35k vs 31k diff between max and min
lone junco
yeah saw that
and a much higher low.
but probably just cause its different profiles
rancid bobcat
i mean
lone junco
the ones that are weird were the old outlaw ones
tropic ocean
and thats what counts
lone junco
like this
rancid bobcat
those are two different profiles
lone junco
I like the lower and upper quartiles to be close
meaning nice and pointy
he finally cleansed his mh tendy
neat
tiny fiber
how many expedients do we actually want?
tropic ocean
as much as possible
lone junco
those /use vers trinkets really do line up nicely
glad compass
how many expedient 3s o we need to make it worth
lone junco
its haste. and haste doesnt really top out for a long long time
tiny fiber
i have enough to buy 3 right now and im trying to grind out a 4th
rancid bobcat
you can stack up as much as you want and still run double dose until shrouded gets higher
lone junco
that R21
plus the haste bit band
this energy is wasted, but the rest of the sim is normal
but that opener bangs so fucking hard, it doesnt really matter now does it
glad compass
but how many is optimal right now
rancid bobcat
as many as you can wear before you die to corruption
lone junco
I bind my trinket to the vendetta as well, but it wont make much difference
nvm. that trinket is 20s. no big deal there. will clear the whole exang window.
fleet jacinth
why did blizz make sockets so op 😦
rancid bobcat
tbh they seem to be handing out sockets like candy now
feels like at least 1 socket, if not 2/3 per m+ run
im ready to pwn heroic
lone junco
yeah. ive gotten them 4/5 from boxes or so recently
worldly sandal
really? in what world do you live in?
ive gotten like
2 sockets
in the last 4 weeks
lone junco
they arent always on good gear, just lots of sockets
lone junco
@rancid bobcat do you have the /use vers to swap for that GCB?
465+ plumage should do it
echo cargo
is there a point where you have enough haste during lust that your garrotes just go into infinity with exsang lmao
that's how much haste I want 👀
short token
is expedient 3 bis for arenas as well?
rancid bobcat
im still kind of sad that
arctic walrus
no haste is pretty bad
rancid bobcat
haste became the stat for assassination
short token
ok vers
rancid bobcat
used to be all 3 specs wanted different stats
vague verge
why is the plumage became the best trinket for assass in raid?
arctic walrus
I think realistically you'd still end up stacking gw but you can check around in #pvp
rancid bobcat
like it wouldve been cool if mastery was better so big ticks could synergize with the faster ticks
arctic walrus
mastery does get pretty good once you have enough expedients
not enough to start stacking masterful or anything, but you might see some gems/echants
rancid bobcat
from my simming crit is the runner up
hoary crown
When will the corruption vendor be updated ?
rancid bobcat
do it
tropic ocean
😄 😄
tropic ocean
I just buy 1 more exp before 8
then save echoes to buy last 3 and then just strikethrough/severe
vague verge
is it a safe bet to corrup with expedient 3 both my mechagon ring (gain haste when behind)
weary marten
do you guys think gushing wounds will still be worth even post nerf ?
weary marten
I have never got a single one, so i don't know if i will buy this or expedient ... (i feel expedient less impactful for pvp though :/ )
lethal heart
maybe
pvp no idea
vers amps dont sound that bad for pvp i guess? but then im not pvp gamer
weary marten
i don't mythic raid anyway...
Is now the go to spec exsanguinate + deeper stratagem though ?
weary marten
does it work on all ST bosses ?
royal lantern
exsang+deeper is a thing when you can actually stack expedient corruption
otherwise dont use it
tropic ocean
for pvp vers amps yeah
grave herald
is there a specific amount of haste sin rogues are looking for??
tropic ocean
at least thats what all high rogues run atm
@grave herald with expedients the more the better
royal lantern
@grave herald probs somewhere bettwen 6million and 8million
grave herald
alright
royal lantern
aka: just stack with expedient
rancid bobcat
was the corrupting tradable gear thing fixed?
orchid solstice
Except for expedient is there any other corruptions that play into DS + exanguinate
tropic ocean
racing pulse maybe
better than 1 expedient
like trading 1 rp for 1 expedient or so
orchid solstice
and what azerite we playing with exanguinate build?
3 SS and what
1 NP
2 HD?
rancid bobcat
i tried mixing in racing pulse and it isn't better iirc
lethal heart
@orchid solstice 3ss 1 np 1 hod 1 blightborne
grave herald
with 93 corruption tho : 0
rancid bobcat
I think I set the max corruption to be 100 so RP3 would've put it over
but at any rate that's still way too far off, even if you wanted to run 79
maybe I'll try RP2
grave herald
when do u switch to the exan build?
ive been running toxic blade for as long as i cna remember and just seeing exan pop out of no where
orchid solstice
agree with this question ^ - what level of haste we looking for
and what stats do we want along side haste on gear (mastery vers or crit)
tropic ocean
u switch to it when it sims better
or u switch to it when it sims not too much worse on fights that have more than 1 target
@orchid solstice whatever sims best
you can put any corruption on ur gear and see
weary marten
Is it really worth to switch to exsang for such a little gain ?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3y2mrkF4fWRMqr51ZSUaiW => toxic blade
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qswxWW4be2gRgXehmssZgq => exsang
orchid solstice
I want to switch for consistency tbh
heady aspen
What's the corruption setup for M+ looking like now?
weary marten
yeah i think exsang is burstier too. having double dose x3 is the consistency
celest ruin
ive seen people stacking mind flay on m+ but idk if its best
orchid solstice
its burstier and also DD + mindflay is what im running atm and i hate the fluctuation from 70-100k dps
heady aspen
I'd imagine you'd sim to figure the ratio out.
tropic ocean
they add up
you want enough crit to always proc echoing blades
on aoe
and then probably just crit dmg
but yeah will need to sim different target counts to find the best setup
and that will then also vary depending on key
rancid bobcat
alright 1 RP3 is better
rancid bobcat
but it'll be a while before the corruption gets up there
weary marten
RP ?
rancid bobcat
that shouldn't affect the corruptions that much
brazen agate
So im looking at worldvein and Lucid dreams for raiding and it looks like they preform similar. So im curious if i should take Worldvein and use it during lust and have bigger burst or should i take lucid and wait till lust is over then use lucid to basically have a second lust
rancid bobcat
damn actually
tropic ocean
and worldvein is simbait too
weary marten
108 corruption ? Oo
tropic ocean
hc loggersss
weary marten
what's the addon to see stat scores into % directly on the piece?
rancid bobcat
i think its advanced tool tips
these two gushing wound pieces are fucking up all my sims
orchid solstice
@rancid bobcat you actually running Gale +Vita > Coral with the new haste build (is it simming signif better for you)?
rancid bobcat
coral isnt great for exsang
scarlet sequoia
yeah it is
rancid bobcat
i used my socket on gcb cause yolo 475
well
a lot of fights are short now
i dont like coral on nzoth so im prob dropping it
scarlet sequoia
yeah its beaten by like high plumage or gcb on certain bosses
but coral is still great on non aids bosses
rancid bobcat
i just said it's 475 and yolo socketed it
orchid solstice
Because i don not have any of the gear yet simming specifics is getting ard for me so what are your state weights looking like with exanguinate? - after haste
is mastery climbing or still crit
orchid solstice
'insane'? like hwta like 40-50% or like 70-80%?
rancid bobcat
i was seeing crit edge out mastery in the maxed out sims i did
small crypt
@rancid bobcat why do you run 1 dd instead of 1 np on your chest
verbal radish
Does Exsang only benefit from shorter fights? Every sim I have run puts it about 2k less than my other talent/azerite sims.
languid ocean
So my rogue currently has expedient 5, 49% base haste, but I bought another expedient 3, is it worth it to drop a MF2 for it?
small crypt
shouldn't 1 np be better than 1 dd?
jovial haven
with 70%+ haste, not sure the extra energy on vendetta is as valuable
drifting light
Should I apply expedient to pants 1 (crafter) or 2?
small crypt
aight
drifting light
languid ocean
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tP3E4hKr5ZCZrVjwcaDMHT I really feel like I'm doing something wrong, im 472 with expedient 5 and simming this
err 473, can someone take a look and see if I'm missing something clearly great?
crimson palm
master poisoner 
languid ocean
Oh crap I was just doing PvP >.< ...thanks
that woulda been great to take into raid
languid ocean
Hemo I thought the shroud buld was 3 shroud 3 heart of darkness?
plain jewel
runnig 3SS and 3EB for M+ wondering if i should replace mut with fan of knives for boss rotation
loud silo
strange python
breath sims good with high neck lvl
digital cosmos
so it can acually be better than blood of the enemy ok, was just surprised by my sim
thought blood was practicaly bis
vast forum
@plain jewel no
plain jewel
ty ty
strange python
there's plenty on youtube
royal lantern
get ss, use exsang, use garrote on a boss and exsang->boss dead
lime edge
good ones?
sour glade
If you have a set of 3x SS gear for m+ wear that. Run exsang if you want. If you have 15 cloak 5 mask is easy af
plain jewel
trying to also understand the echoing blades effect. after the 5 crits does it never proc again until u reset combat?
rancid bobcat
It's max 5 crit explosions per cast
slim lava
how much of a dps increase is this expedient build if compared to full appendage?
lime edge
any recommended azerites for visions
or just whatever sims best
essences*
not azerites
edgy pawn
i use blood major, lucid, flame and vision
hushed lion
protocol does big damage too
also heals
i had pulls in visions where protocol was top damage for me
exsang haste build btw
chilly marsh
nova jasper
aiming for mastery after haste in SS Exs build?
worn crest
all the stat weights are incredibly close
you can min/max a little with random shit from your cache but as raz said earlier it seems higher ilvl is carrying
rancid blaze
What traits and corruptions do you guys run for visions?
rancid blaze
Exsang build?
urban minnow
after exp3 is gone...what else are we hoping for?
honest basin
you hope for it to come back !
distant lava
strange python
I couldnt play for like 8 days bc one arm was immobilized. Return right when expedient 3 gets off the shelves.
Game is still fun, but fuck me I'd love to minmax my Gear more
wild lion
when will it change in eu?
strange python
in like 17 hours
tight glacier
Galecaller's Boon feels amazing with Exsang build.
worldly sandal
MFW not holding on to the expedient 3 i bought, then getting a bit band 30 minutes before raid time
not a huge DPS loss but still frustrating
worldly sandal
times to regret being on NA server and getting things first
loud silo
whould i scoop expedint?
worldly sandal
also if this turns out to be my 4th week in a row without the cara dagger im gonna be mighty upset
loud silo
should*
tight glacier
I memed out on the target dummy and proc'd 4 tentacles.
spark olive
dude im like 6 week and 10 rolls without getting my second cara dagger, i've basically given up lol
tight glacier
That's all my rng for the next week.
worldly sandal
ive still got a 460 apex perf, and 445 socketed wrathion dagger
spark olive
yeah, on adds tendy proc's but boss fights 3 min later 1 proc XD
worldly sandal
as per usual with all my chars, weaps just dont drop
when they do, they socket or get indestructible
but ill get literally EVERYTHING else before i get one
loud silo
is expedient good?
prime void
tight glacier
hi
Am I famous?
Also Raidbots just tried to meme me
I think fucking not, raidbots.
safe dagger
how long till the vendor swaps
safe dagger
yee, should be in a few hours right?
loud brook
mhm
safe dagger
90mins to talk myself out of spending my 10k on 2 expeeds
remote panther
should buy at least 2 right?
remote panther
if not then buy what?
gleaming viper
i did a gear compare with full exp3 on same gear i lose 3% KEKW
i also did with 5x exp3 and 2GW losing 2,5% dps
f*** this patch
cobalt pelican
sounds like you did something wrong
unless you're simming against like is8 or something
shut garnet
whats the current best in most scenarios dg build for assa
in terms of corruptions and traits
safe dagger
from what i gather exsang and expeeds are looking the juice
safe dagger
m+ favors crit i believe, haste for raid
shut garnet
talent
jovial haven
6th row 3 column
gleaming viper
wdym nameless ?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/n29xExiNkVKQkbmDckzAzn 5exp3 1exp1 and2*gw
urban minnow
do you sin mains switch to outlaw for some fights?
finding it so overwhelming to gear one spec let alone trying to gear 2 at teh same time
unborn pendant
tight glacier
@urban minnow Are you talking about Hivemind/Vexiona/Carapace?
tight glacier
I'm running my M+ build on those 3 and doing fairly well. Parsed 80th percentile this week.
I wouldn't run Outlaw on Nzoth though. Mythic or heroic?
urban minnow
mythic, we are only 6/12 tho
tight glacier
Full commit to the Sin life and just pick up some EB pieces. It's probably going to be easier to get Outlaw gear though.
frigid briar
Play single target for vex and carapace. You need the boss damage and other classes passively AoE so much better
urban minnow
@tight glacier why is that?
tight glacier
EB is an asspain to obtain. The combinations just aren't abundant. And I do concur with Infexious.
frigid briar
Honestly in this raid. Anything your actively AoE'ing is pad damage. Mages just melt that shit with their ST passive cleave
frigid briar
Play ST till your on farm
tight glacier
How are you supposed to parse without padding tho? kekW
upper wedge
^
frigid briar
Equip IS and wait 5000 pulls till it procs. Or tendies
Parses this tier are so scuffed man
upper wedge
too much rng this expansion in general
tight glacier
My GM whispered me and asked why he beat me on Maut when I was above him by 30k dps the pull prior
IS3 hit 8 stacks at 10%
Y I K E S
tight glacier
My record is 8 before Wrathion's first phase.
frigid briar
How long till US servers vendor change? Wanna know if theres any gushing
tight glacier
Are you still going for Gushing?
drifting cloud
65min
frigid briar
Nah? Full exp but gonna pick 2 up and keep in bags
tight glacier
That's honestly probably a fair way to go about it.
I can't be arsed to farm out more echoes this week.
frigid briar
Just for times when I need to drop 5 corruption to be below 59 for nzoth ect
tight glacier
I hit 15k and bought 3 Exp 3 and had to stop.
frigid briar
Yeah I bought my 3rd today. Have rank 12 now. Will get 2 wounds then wait till its back up
tight glacier
I've been hardcarrying 10's. I just spam sign up and I swear they're dumber than usual this week.
frigid briar
I dropped my CR to 1500 in pvp and just bashes noobs all day
tight glacier
Stack gushing and just /sit when it starts rolling.
Wait
Question for the class
Does Exsanguinate affect Gushing?
frigid briar
Doubt x
tight glacier
Because that would be stupid and I love it.
frigid briar
Its shadow damage i think
shut garnet
isnt GW still 2nd best
vast forum
@safe dagger i suggest you buy the expedients just before the swap, so if you don't wanna keep them, you just re-sell them for full price
frigid briar
GW arguably could be BiS
tight glacier
after the 35% nerf?
vast forum
GW could be bis on 485 pieces
shut garnet
probably still nice to fill out gear for both m+ and raid right
tight glacier
Doubt
cobalt pelican
i'm still fairly convinced it'll have a place on your gear
but i'm too stupid without sims to tell me what food to eat
frigid briar
Cos haste aint amazing for more than 2 target really
tight glacier
Mindflay is still a strong corruption and also benefits from scaling.
shut garnet
it’s also pure rng
errant delta
so what are ppls thoughts on blood vs worldvein major?
tight glacier
Law of averages
vast forum
mindflay isn't a strong corruption on average
shut garnet
or just go with hasted procs
vast forum
compared to expedient/severe/pre-nerf gw at least
tight glacier
Mindflay averaged out is literally one of the strongest corruptions speaking statistically.
frigid briar
Mind flays just weird man. Progress is done for me so im dropping all tenticles
shut garnet
vast forum
in a vacuum also
cobalt pelican
dooood gw only gives 166 dps
vast forum
doesn't scale with 2/4 of our stats
tight glacier
GW is getting nerfed it'll be 4th and IS3 is also a meme.
cobalt pelican
trash or?
noble gyro
are we sure it's worth buying this exp trait
vast forum
expedient is your bis corruption for single target @noble gyro
noble gyro
ok buying 2 now before it resets
shut garnet
is3 suddenly isnt a meme anymore when you have 18383839 haste
since yknow
HASTED proc
cobalt pelican
even just literally doing 166.6*0.65, which is worse than gw will realistically end out to be
frigid briar
Exp is BiS afaik for prog at this point for high geared players
vast forum
@tight glacier do you know how bloodmallet works?
cobalt pelican
it's still better than everything besides expedient, but goes up to 485ilvl
tight glacier
Yes. Very well thank you.
vast forum
you don't seem to know
tight glacier
Cut the condescending attitude and we can have a real conversation.
shut garnet
so unless you have that gear, those sims mean nothing
i guarantee you not many people have that exact gear that those sims are based off
tight glacier
I agree.
vast forum
bloodmallet compares corruption values as dps differential between wearing 1 corruption and 0 corruptions
tight glacier
I know this.
vast forum
you understand that TA isn't hasted
tight glacier
I literally stated the scope of my statement IN my statement.
errant delta
should i drop a raceing pulse 3 for exp 3 ??
tight glacier
Sigh.
vast forum
also
fleet whale
Honestly i would actually take IS over TA with all this haste
cobalt pelican
it's fairly easy to do comparisons for your own gear or
upper wedge
IS isn't good because of the lack of ST fights
fleet whale
true, but it's overall better than TA imo
tight glacier
We've gone well off of the point I was making.
upper wedge
And if you use IS with that much haste, you'd be omega corrupted also
vast forum
idk, i'd consider wearing IS on a few bosses but i generally dislike it
cobalt pelican
currently for me expedient 3 is 149.85dps/corr, gw is 230.6666666666667 prenerf
fleet whale
also i'm just going off the gear i have
frigid briar
IS isnt worth the dps per corruption with expediant equipped I think. I tried to make it work but you need to drop too much exp to stay below decent corruption levels
cobalt pelican
for reference
fleet whale
not the gear i may potentially have in the future
frigid briar
Nice maffs
fleet whale
and i use IS 2 since it's what i have
cobalt pelican
and realistically if gw has a place on your gear it g oes on your 485s
upper wedge
I might be the only one who plays <40 corruption in mythic raiding
especially on cara/nzoth
cobalt pelican
(and it doesn't have the uptime restrictions of expedient 50)
vast forum
@upper wedge no
vast forum
@upper wedge almost every1 does
cobalt pelican
kinda think mechagon rings are worth
but boots/double weapons seems fine
not really sure yet
fleet whale
a lot of people play with below 40 corruption
upper wedge
Then what's the debate about?
vast forum
@frigid briar why would you wear non-mechagon rings? 
cobalt pelican
going to wait for the sim to get pushed and make some composite gear sets
and see what's going on
upper wedge
IS costs way too much corruption
cyan venture
whats the opening rotation for exsanguinate build?
frigid briar
Cos the behind one wont drop kek
vast forum
frigid briar
Tragic
rancid bobcat
theres no possible way nzoth ring beats out mecha
vast forum
i agree with @cobalt pelican
fleet whale
well, with rank 2 and the other corruptions i currently have i'm at 36
rancid bobcat
the haste proc is just too much stat
frigid briar
Still no offhand dagger, still no gorak tuls, still no mecha set. Progress ended 9 weeks ago
Nice game
upper wedge
93k sim at 28 corruption with semi scuffed azerite
shut garnet
why is that a problem
drifting cloud
and I do 16s for weekly
vast forum
while it's good dps/corruption, might not be worth wearing at 125 cloak resistance 😄
frigid briar
Ill only swap on GW when I need to drop 5 coruption
vast forum
@shut garnet when you cap cloak, you'll need more corruption
shut garnet
if you got 9 of them it sure will 
vast forum
no, but
shut garnet
maybe not anymore
fleet whale
If i could grind arena's forever i would just buy as much expedient as i can
and as my resist goes up i just place it on more gear
shut garnet
it’ll be a long while still until ppl get cloaks to 135 corruption
shut garnet
so i guess we’ll worry about it when we get therr
vast forum
true, but at some point we will 😄
frigid briar
Bang a 75 TD in there for lols
vast forum
also true because we can buy those pieces later 
cyan venture
anyone know the opening rotation for exsanguinate build?
upper wedge
it's ilgynoth shoulders for exang tho?
shut garnet
by the time ppl get their cloaks that high you will have every r3 corruption stacked in ur bags x10
vast forum
@cyan venture g-r-g-v-m-r-exsg
shut garnet
rdy to do w.e with
fleet whale
Shadowlands is gonna be close to release
drifting cloud
I mean only if you do content
fleet whale
by the time we reach cloak corruption cap
vast forum
nah
shut garnet
assuming you do content, yes
drifting cloud
like if you just do assaults 2-3 visions and weekly chest
frigid briar
G-R-V-G if hero on pull with good gear
drifting cloud
cloak cap is early september
cobalt pelican
i think it was 9.8k for assaults 5 visions and emissaries and heroic raid
cobalt pelican
which is about what i'll avg
vast forum
idk how long the prepatch will be but it's usually a month
and i expect shadowlands early december
fleet whale
i think Nov myself but we will see
vast forum
late nov maybe