#assassination
hidden bay
balmy condor
Imagine thinking that a 30k iteration sim is doing stuff
empty ravine
i do sim
balmy condor
Every character is different
What we tell you is a good start point
But your character can vary from others
empty ravine
but if i want to sim weap enchant id have to either A) buy two diff enchants and scrap one B) override the sim to have right chant
empty ravine
is there
empty ravine
a % you want like a 2ndary stat to be at?
empty ravine
like i remeber i should have had like ~20% haste when i was pvping
thats kinda what im asking
balmy condor
In what context
empty ravine
arrg
balmy condor
Cause m+ sure, but in single target know
empty ravine
are pins updated?
empty ravine
oh ok
balmy condor
You can probably tell
empty ravine
wasnt sure since its been 2 days or so
balmy condor
Cause the red dot
empty ravine
i was about to say that im prob wrong
balmy condor
We stacked a ton of haste then, we’re stacking a ton of haste now
empty ravine
but when i saw wowhead this mornning i thought they were still old 8.2 stuff
but it was up to date
balmy condor
Only difference is mastery is seemingly worse
empty ravine
good i can get rid fo this shitty mastery % corr
oh now i know why im really pissed
balmy condor
If that’s what sims tell you
empty ravine
i basically had BIS jewelcrafting ring
vestal granite
great, ALL my 475gear has mastery on it XD
tropic ocean
you should never rely on a guide or anything when it comes to stats/gear except your sim
empty ravine
last patch
tropic ocean
theres 1 million variables and noone can give you an exact answer
empty ravine
yes yes i know
balmy condor
Yeah ^ ausr out here spitting facts
tropic ocean
and it wont matter if person x sims better with item y cuz he has different other items too
empty ravine
but its nice to have some input on the what has changed
balmy condor
Nothing has changed tbh
empty ravine
so i have a direction when i sim
balmy condor
Just buy more exped
tropic ocean
not much has changed besides u can target ur corruption easy now
so its easier to get bis gear than it was
empty ravine
:c
but ya i scrapped a jewelcrating ring that had haste crit for one with vers crit
balmy condor
Gushing is too low corruption per piece anyway imo
empty ravine
and im pretty sure that the vers crit simmed higher last patch
tropic ocean
current bis build atm is if you can access all mythic gear to put expedient on almost every piece
with 1 ? or so racing pulse
balmy condor
Where you playing VoP?
tropic ocean
so you can work towards that if you can access that gear
empty ravine
but alas i recently had a bsod that wiped my mem, luckioly had sys image from feb :l
balmy condor
Vers was pretty good for VoP
empty ravine
expediant is vers?
balmy condor
Haste
balmy condor
Expedient and haste are pretty much synonyms
empty ravine
i know it prob is seelf exp
tropic ocean
don't think you will use vers just cause of vision
balmy condor
Oh def not
tropic ocean
vision is except for some exceptions(kill/transition-time) dps loss as minor at least
😄
red bloom
Vers doesn’t sim well for me atm as a VoP degenerate
balmy condor
Interesting
empty ravine
also i know this is something to ask in outlaw, but is it same changes for outlaw as well haste being best stat now?
tropic ocean
dont think so
balmy condor
Haste hasn’t been best stat for outlaw in a LOOONG time
They can’t spend their energy fast enough
empty ravine
yes this i know
tropic ocean
outlaw will probably want vers/crit/strikethrough
but ppl in #outlaw can help u with that
empty ravine
crit and vers best if i remember right
balmy condor
Yeah I think they’re crit stacking over there
tropic ocean
if you want ppl to answer u fast in outlaw channel
just ask why is bote so much better than iris major
and 10 ppl will take care of you
🙂
balmy condor
Omegalul
empty ravine
ill sim shit so ill know the answer
tropic ocean
but for many just straight up best
empty ravine
it just takes effort which is a lot to ask
empty ravine
bote best for sin still>
tropic ocean
click the gear u want and done
empty ravine
yes well
tropic ocean
for raid? you will often/mostly use bote yes
tropic ocean
clf sims higher but clf also depends on fight/fight timer
empty ravine
which makes life annyoing
balmy condor
CLF is doing good for exsang builds
empty ravine
oh is exsang showing to be better than pb?
balmy condor
Yes with high haste
empty ravine
neet
raven mica
They’re like equal
willow pulsar
Guys what do we do, when we want to refresh rupture for exang but mutilate gave us 4cp, do we mut again for 5 or?
empty ravine
exsang when haste is highest for best snapshot
tropic ocean
if you are outside of vanish
u can just garrote once
but 4 cp rupture is also fine (usually you use deeper stratagem tho)
balmy condor
Yeah was about to say
empty ravine
ya dont waste a muti if you just trying to get 1 cp
willow pulsar
i am talking more about m+ when we are using vigor
balmy condor
Vigor in m+ with exsang?
empty ravine
only garrote when you need
balmy condor
❓
willow pulsar
Have you played low haste buildwith deeper statagem?
empty ravine
cant believe i fucking had haste crit fucking jewelcrafting ring
but scrapped it cause haste wasnt as good
balmy condor
On tyran weeks i just take the haste gear in
empty ravine
oh well crit vers still not bad
balmy condor
In mythic+ you get 3 garrotes + 2 ruptures basically guaranteed every pack for free
empty ravine
so agi still worth the same amount really?
balmy condor
I don’t see the point in running vigor on top of that unless you’re a mega purist with gear sets that purposely avoid all sources of haste you ever use in raids
Agi is okay
balmy condor
You should sim that
shy dust
Sim it
empty ravine
arrg
shy dust
It will tell you an answer
torpid sparrow
empty ravine
ill just keep the 120agi for now
balmy condor
These are literally questions
shy dust
tropic ocean
in m+ you dont really end up with that issue though
torpid sparrow
is the ra den trinket that bad?
balmy condor
That no one here can answer
empty ravine
personally i like using the vers ra den trinket for pvp
balmy condor
Yeah that doesn’t seem normal
shy dust
Vita also gives your raid more dps
empty ravine
oh and is razorcoral still bis :l?
shy dust
It’s still a very strong trinket
empty ravine
UGGG
it was still beating all my other trinekts earlier
i hate you razorcoral trinket!
i dont want to farm fucking EP
balmy condor
(You could also just sim your trinkets to find out)
empty ravine
for the same fucking trinket i have but 10ilvl higher
balmy condor
Then don’t farm ep?
empty ravine
im not prob :l
balmy condor
Cool
empty ravine
unless i have nothing better to do
and im only killing 2nd to last boss in EP
on mythic
shy dust
It’s very easy
balmy condor
Why him
shy dust
And lots of group.
empty ravine
really wish one thing they did change
was how having 40+ corruption is basically raiding on hard mode at times
primal turret
Razorcoral is tricky, in some fight you can stack as much as you can so is less impactfull as it shows if you sim on patchwerk
cant stack* sorry for my english
balmy condor
Yeah
empty ravine
luckily fully buff im at 39 :3
balmy condor
Something where you have downtime makes coral pretty meh
Most people I know raid at around 50 and m+ at around 35
50-55 ish
shy dust
Most people run over 40 but below 60 for prog
balmy condor
^ yeah or that
shy dust
With certain bosses staying under 40
balmy condor
Me no word good
empty ravine
gonna have to sim [Vita-Charged Titanshard] vs [Humming Black Dragonscale]
shy dust
Just sim it
balmy condor
^^^^
shy dust
It will tell you the answer
shy dust
We still have it
empty ravine
i remember when rogues use to have that passive
shy dust
We still do
balmy condor
In........ mythic black hand?
empty ravine
NOT SURE WHY they took iut out to be fucking honest
balmy condor
We still take reduced fall damage tho
loud brook
Why must you bring back horrid memories of that fight
sly fern
We still have that passive
loud brook
Mythic blackhand was such a fustercluck
empty ravine
but its not as good as it use to be
balmy condor
That’s a good one
loud brook
Never did tomb
shy dust
loud brook
Heard it was bad
empty ravine
uhh in world pvp fall dmg is something i had to worry about a lot
and in pvp in general
shy dust
Just shadowstep to your target
empty ravine
except arena
balmy condor
That doesn’t sound good lmao
empty ravine
sometimes no target
empty ravine
as engi/jc i always carry goblin gliders
so its not like the slow fall is THAT great for me
shy dust
How often are you falling
loud brook
Only time in bfa I've ever thought about fall damage was that big troll dude in kings rest
shy dust
That you need goblin glider and the on use of the trinket
empty ravine
lets just say im horde on an alliance server where its 1 to 9 ratio alli
i have to run away a fuck ton
primal turret
Does anybody know why people are using versa trinkets with exsanguinate build? Crit/haste sims more for me
empty ravine
yes me too
shy dust
They just use on an use
balmy condor
Plumage is good on-use
shy dust
And one of the best options is plumage
balmy condor
If that’s the vers you’re referring to
shy dust
Or the vers badge
empty ravine
ra den trinket combo bonus maybe
primal turret
Yes i mean plumage
loud brook
Plumage or glad badge
shy dust
Ra den trinket combo is trash.
balmy condor
Trinket bonus isn’t worth
shy dust
Don’t use that
empty ravine
i know
raven mica
No they’re referring to plumage or badge, which
balmy condor
The void trinket is awful
primal turret
I was talking about plumage/pvp trinket, didnt knew the english name
loud brook
I'd rather have the glad badge
shy dust
It’s good for the SS build
raven mica
Ok so there’s a lot of fights this tier where coral can be kinda iffy, so that’s probably why they’re swapping to plumage/badge
balmy condor
Yeah
shy dust
And I think it wins out with shorter kill times
empty ravine
i use [Corrupted Gladiator's Safeguard][Void-Twisted Titanshard] since it lets me survive :l
raven mica
It’s the same for BOS on frost, none of them use coral anymore, it’s all badges
shy dust
Also most of the damage is condensed into opener so having an actual on use for it is nice
empty ravine
69k
loud brook
Vroom vroom motorcycle trinket though
empty ravine
for ilvl460
raven mica
Bike go brrrrt
last ingot
is the exsang build any good for arena?
raven mica
Drestagath trinket go brrrrrt
loud brook
Kek
empty ravine
in arena i use [Writhing Segment of Drest'agath][Corrupted Gladiator's Safeguard]
raven mica
Safeguard omegalaughing
empty ravine
hey man i thought thats what many ppl werre using
primal turret
Ty for you answers
loud brook
Just run rank 7 tendies
empty ravine
against a team with druid/priest or someshit
shy dust
I would reccomend
raven mica
If ur doing double DPS youre playing rogue/mage, and a safeguard and helping you in that comp
shy dust
Keeping pvp related chat to that channel
shy dust
Also much better advice would be given there
empty ravine
alright no more from me on pvp here
shy dust
From the denizens of the pvp channel
dark crag
Is that any good?
empty ravine
anyway time to swap out weapon enchants
balmy condor
Yes
loud brook
I want that so bad
balmy condor
:)
loud brook
All the way down
balmy condor
Just add a socket
empty ravine
i know
balmy condor
...
loud brook
Gud
loud brook
Mind flay is ok
I like stat corruptions more though
Puts more control in my hands over the tendies gods
empty ravine
ya i feel you
dark crag
Wrong channel ups
empty ravine
this is best i have atm so ill just stick with it
loud brook
My heart
honest basin
Do we still play Lucid Dreams as a minor if we play we Exsang build with enough expedients ? I have only 4 of them and if I put haste on most of my gear it's about 60-65% haste flat, I don't feel like the energy regen is needed.
honest basin
I guess yeah
empty ravine
bote still good for major?
tame basin
Where can find info about Exsan build? Talents, essences and stats prio?
empty ravine
pins
tame basin
nope
tame basin
Is it up to date?
boreal maple
then check essence on warcarft logs/sim it
tame basin
warcraftlogs are dead 😦
boreal maple
u go for same stats, almost same essences and have different opener
tame basin
isn't mastery slightly over crit for Exs?
boreal maple
nope
not for most ppl atleast
stat weights depends on your gear
but haste-crit still applies
outer mist
so what corrups are you guys shooting for buying? all my sims are saying infinite stars but i dont trust it...
cobalt pelican
just buy as much expedient as you can before it disappears tonight/tomorrow
you can figure out the rest later
pearl jungle
Hello guys!
Someone playing assa on m+?
rancid bobcat
im fucking dying
tame basin
@boreal maple last q, what is the proper talent for it in second row, still going for MA? Sounds wrong tbh
ruby oar
It sucks when your main rogue starts with0 echoes and on 3, days i only can buy 3 of r3 exp 😢
shy dust
You didn’t farm hard enough
boreal maple
subtefudge
shy dust
Some people have farmed up to 5-6
boreal maple
if u wanan go exsang
ruby oar
I'm trying, but i have to work too
shy dust
Yah hate to see it
tame basin
@ruby oar how do you farm echoes?
ruby oar
I did full run of HC, did 7 visions, 4 emisseries and ofc alot of m+
I need to go arenas
I know
ruby oar
Yy i'm still happy for my farm
tame basin
How much m+ gives atm?
willow pulsar
15 per key lvl
ruby oar
I'm doing 16/17 fast
raven mica
Is a fucking giga pumper
ruby oar
So its 240 echoes per run
pearl jungle
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Its very hard to make statements about stat trends in the current patch.
Please use a simulation to generate results for your personal gear situation.
tropic ocean
employee of the month
echo prawn
Heya, should i buy Twisted Appendage corrupt?
raven mica
No
echo prawn
haste only and wait for crit?
glacial steppe
I cant even equip more than 3 t3 expedients atm cus sims dont want me to purify my cara daggers yet
loud brook
At least crit corruptions translate decently well over to outlaw
So you kinda double dip in value for both specs
rancid bobcat
literally impossible
thats 22 more dungeons
11 more hours
i have 2x rank 1s to wear anyway to make fake 7
i just need to not sleep through half reset so i can do the emissary
pseudo hamlet
I've got one expedient and I'm exhausted lol
high nacelle
starting to sim better with deeper strat, anyone with experience notice much of a different with rotation smoothness?
pearl jungle
Guys on m+ as assa rog what is the stat prio?
Im playing with 3x echoing and 3x shroud.
I have 1300 crit 2200haste and 1k mastery
pseudo hamlet
I think it's crit > everything else
pearl jungle
As rogue need twilight deva or infinite starts or buy only haste and crit corrupt?
I think it's crit > everything else
@pseudo hamlet thanks i will try it
slow mountain
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tzyoohYdmLwXttzUVpDFfv is this accurate? :/ my build is with triple shroud/2x heart 1 dd and playing with exanguinate, still this one sims 1k higher
pseudo hamlet
About corruptions - it depends if you need M+ or Raids.
pearl jungle
Well i need m+ and raid corrupt too
But i thinking on raid i need haste and crit corrupt..on m+ need deva?
pseudo hamlet
Raid is currently +% haste(maybe Infinite stars but it's RNG). While M+ is TD(which is also RNG) or +%crit.
hollow sleet
how much % haste do i need for raid ?
uneven marsh
random number generator
lilac sparrow
Aha..
pseudo hamlet
That something is random.
uneven marsh
randomness
hollow sleet
yes
lilac sparrow
yes
empty ravine
oh fuck you need to stack ss x3 now D: ?
or i should say you should if youre running subterfuge
verbal radish
Funny enough, just simmed it myself, and it kept me at all my DD instead of SS. Can anyone share with me the settings they use to sim themselves? Or which preset they prefer? I know it depends on the fight, so I don't mean heavy AOE fights like Hivemind, etc.
storm nymph
anyone know if they have hotfixed the BoE trading once it has been corrupted?
vocal temple
well, I've been tapped out on visions the last few weeks and basically was able to do 2, and a ton of m+s to hit 10k echoes and 2 expedient 3s
sad I won't see that trait for a month but at least I'll be able to afford a ton once it returns
in the meantime I'll keep rolling the 2 masterful 3s I got prior to this and live the haste/mastery life
and I'll probably do like the mages are doing now and go hard on expedient 2 when it shows up 😛
modern bear
vocal temple
masterful is just what dropped for me
plain thistle
pog
vocal temple
I got masterful3 on a 475 weekly chest dagger and another masterful3 on a 475 pair of pants and then most of my other corruption has been haste/m astery stat procs
upper elm
echoes from horrific visions are weekly or per run? Still trying to figure out the best farm before expedient disappears from the vendor
scarlet sequoia
visions are the best, 750 per run
pseudo hamlet
250 for final and 125 from each zone I think
scarlet sequoia
ye
minor thicket
Hey guys quick question. If I’m playing subterfuge with 3 x DD but no Exsan. Is the opening rotation GR>Mut>Mut >Rupture or is it Mut>Rup>Mut >GR?
scarlet sequoia
g m r
worn crest
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/69TPceSAjFxrcuK3hkQ6vo
I guess I need to pvp .. only piece I should be missing roughly
minor thicket
Wtf 9x expedient
worn crest
I think most of the higher sims are using 9x exped 3 (or exped 27 total)
raz setup managed it I believe. I think his bracers weren't corrupt tho
worn crest
need boots/daggers and the trinket
daggers with personal loot and only one rogue in the raid should be super fun
turbid osprey
not even exsang build 😮
raven wyvern
c
well
turbid osprey
thought exped was the enabler for that
worn crest
it's exsang
strange python
kinda sad that 111k is the top for us
untold stream
If I can't run exang, do I still need to stack expedient ?
strange python
have you tried mixing in gw for the 485 pieces in that sim? i cant really tell
worn crest
nah I didn't really fuck with GW cause I'm waiting for it to officially be nerfed 35%
@untold stream I think kojiyama said somewhere around 3-4 exped he was swapping to exsang
I could be wrong on that
I really just skimmed the last like 600 messages earlier today
strange python
expedient is good without exsang yes
worn crest
our class is just good with more haste
untold stream
Okay, 'cause I simed earlier, with my current gear, to tweek gem and enchant, and it told me to keep everything in crit gem/enchant
worn crest
raz farmed something like 8 or 9 exped3s I think
untold stream
Even tho I already avec 40% crit and only 25% haste or so
worn crest
you might just be at the cusp of the threshold
if you link your sim here and ask for help these guys around here really try to help
untold stream
Ok thanks, I'll re-do one and post it here then
worn crest
yah it's a bit early in the morning for some but when this place is popping a lot of people like to help
tropic ocean
wait guy simming higher than raz
untold stream
I usually don't really ask much here, cause there are like hundreds of message, and my question has probably already been asked, but can't keep up with all the messages ^^"
tropic ocean
worn crest
@tropic ocean raz sim didn't corrupt bracers
boreal maple
looks like he just copied raz' gear atleast
boreal maple
why did u choose those legs then
rigid mango
Blue goraks at 480
boreal maple
and not some ebttter ones
rigid mango
worn crest
I simmed 4-5 pairs
strange python
he never claimed he had that gear
worn crest
I have most cept boots/daggers/pvp
strange python
but the sim is way more useful than whatever anyone wears atm tbh
normal sphinx
So 111k is the threshold for now and the only build that is getting there?
worn crest
raz build sims slightly higher
111,982
if you corrupt bracers
I think is what I simmed his exact setup as
@boreal maple these are the pants I simmed, mainly cause I have them (or could craft them)
the crafted are 50/50% crit/haste and mast/haste
I tried to sim only raid available stuff, then said fuck it and simmed anything I had+raid
nova matrix
Greetings to everyone, I have some doubts on how to improve my dps on a single target. What do you recommend?
wet lava
is the expedient 3 corruption solid for sin?
worn crest
exped 3 is widely considered the best I think by most people
Anxo azerite helm and razor coral for your gear
those ar ethe easiest and biggest standouts at a glance
brazen garden
have you tried other essence combos?
nova matrix
umm, yes, i dont have blood of the enemies rank 3, its the "best" compo according raidbots
worn crest
for both raid and m+ really depends on what you're doing
worn crest
if you're just going yolo ST.. prob ra-den unless you residuum vendor
you can just check that those at raidbots
worn crest
anohter kinda loaded question lol
as many as you can comfortably farm and have gear to put them on
you probably don't want to waste them on pieces you'll replace in the near future
distant lava
if you raid mythic and are going to kill carapace
you should probably not use expedient on weapons or boots
until we get the nerfed GW sims
worn crest
I super hope the gw nerf isn't a full 35%
distant lava
it's a 35%
worn crest
I also hope GW isn't up on the vendor in 12 hours
distant lava
just wait for NA 
worn crest
yah I'm hoping its one of those they say one thing then do anohter
did NA/Eu get the same rotation so far?
distant lava
yes
worn crest
ezgame
distant lava
boreal maple
na beta testing for EU 
distant lava
can't wait to know how much I need to save to buy 3 GW
sand heath
How many rotation sets of corruption are there, trying to work out how often it comes back around again?
distant lava
probably a shitton
sand heath
Ouch..
worn crest
I counted 46 earlier from raidbots but someone pointed out I forgot siphoner/avoidant cause you don't si those lol
junior sail
worn crest
raz sim but add corruption exped 3 to his bracers
I think I did it and it was like 111,970k or something
worn crest
that's the sim without the bracers corrupted
he's also setup using some m+ cache stuff, so bear that in mind
distant lava
the fact that the "bis" sim is future raz gets me everytime 
worn crest
lol did you see his SS of him finishing his exped grind?
I don't have it but it was pretty humorous
worn crest
Bm 131,400 or something
draco did that one and he limited it to ONLY raid or 465 m+ gear... easy 131k
distant lava
guess it's time to go back to visions
worn crest
that's still like 3-4 hours
distant lava
but I did 8 on boomy yesterday
and I still have warrior and dh to do too
only 3 on those tho
worn crest
I'm saving DH ... he's got like 250k coalescing
distant lava
why 4 masks ?
wet ruin
what is formless void (symbiotic pressence) uptime? is 90-100% realistic?
frank olive
guys corruptions from mother reroll on NA first right?
wet ruin
is that used every 20 sec though
strange python
30sec cd with 2 charges
worn crest
@frank olive yes
wet ruin
wait, both are flames
I was thinking about reaping flames
which is breath of the dying
strange python
idk
worn crest
Crucible is what tanks use is what he meant
strange python
for the heal?
distant lava
so I didn't think I had to say it
wet ruin
yea, I realized that when I said it
distant lava
for dmg
worldly sandal
DPS
strange python
oh they cant use breath got it
worn crest
It’s one of those things easily overlooked lol
strange python
imagine playing tank in 2020 
topaz valley
Yoo, what do you think about running 4 expedient and one void ritual 66 this week ? makes 59 effective corruption exactly
shadow talon
is assa worth playing in fight like carapace and n'zoth ?
dawn rock
yes
shadow talon
i've got low dps playing the spec in these 2 fight, so how would you improve its dps ?
dawn rock
stack more expedient
shadow talon
i see thanks i'll research for it
nimble light
Hi I was wondering if someone could give mew some pointers? My setup seems to sim alright but I can never manage to actually pull a good level of DPS in raids. I'm following all the normal opening and rotation guides for that setup but I just get left for dead by other classes. Am I doing something stupid / missing something obvious? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7KnKGzcqax71EAG5nkjiy8
upper elm
done use worldvein in my opinion
lean marten
try BotE major with subt talent
nimble light
Subt with the same Azarite skills or find SS pieces?
And I'm trying to work towards BotE 3 (Still only at 2 for now.)
verbal radish
What settings do you all use to sim yourself? I know its boss by boss, but a general non heavy aoe.
lean marten
r2 BotE probably won't be worth
upper elm
yep r2 sucks
viscid frost
is twisted appendage r3 not a good buy? or is stacking expedient better?
fallen raven
does iron wire stack? in a m+ group with another rogue running it, wonder if i should swap to internal bleeding
nimble light
Ok I'll try siming it with subt
worldly sandal
youll probably get more value with SS on your shoulders instead of tradewinds @nimble light
turbid osprey
bote always sims worse than clf for me, is there a particular reason bote is more popular?
turbid osprey
do you hold it for a vend?
opal imp
so i've just passed the point where exang and DS is pulling ahead. just not sure on maximising there usage after playing TB/Vigor for so long. any "guide" to the build anywhere?
simple dome
when do you use blood of the enemy major on assassin?
tranquil marsh
haste build does it work?
nimble light
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tUgtbG1n6WYo1Rqp9Bys5Q They all seem to drop me by about 2K DPS. Hmm.
frigid briar
haste build does work
and its plays really well imo
nice change of flavor and pace
errant delta
soo i have a 465 socket gallecallers should i be useing it cus sims same no. i have coral and loaded dice atm????
and like haste build over TA
tropic ocean
gakecallers is strong
turbid osprey
i suppose plenty of fights are only 2 min
tropic ocean
but its also risky to use
turbid osprey
least on hc
tropic ocean
coral on the other hand has no downsides in usage
tropic ocean
sim it
and idk how many expedients u can get so I cant answer that question for you
errant delta
2
tropic ocean
in the long run you will surely replace it
but if u only have 2 expedients why would u cleanse ur ta
u can use all of them together
tropic ocean
I can't answer your question its your decision
but you will use expedients in the end yes so
I personally bought as much as I could this id
and so did most rogues
(for raiding that is)
green scroll
Where can find the azrite powers id for sim
fleet jacinth
is expedient the best at high ilvls?
green scroll
I need double dose and vendetta
scarlet urchin
azure shoal
expedient 😩
balmy cloak
has anyone simmed the BiS for corruptions yet? Do we have a model to work towards? I imagine it's mostly exp3 but maybe some severe in there?
vernal flume
pins
balmy cloak
ok that's helpful, but I'm still curious if anyone has simmed out the best ass rogue you can build right now, because I'm curious if, after getting many exp3 corruptions we should balance it with something else, or if it's truly exp3 all the way
azure shoal
exp3 all the way baby 😩
amber quail
Is exp3 good oveall? Or need exanguinate to shine? And: ok for raid and ST, but M+?
vernal flume
read pins
celest drift
Is versa pulling ahead of haste on my sim something logical? :<
tender pulsar
Hey guys, how does assassination fair in M+?
tropic ocean
good
not outlaw good, but good
@celest drift theres no logic in statweights currently everything can be best at some point
late iron
@tropic ocean you seem to really know your assassination rogue and I'm simming about 10k lower than I think I should at my item level. I'm lacking expedients but I don't really see more than a 1k dps increase simming with them. I'm kind of stuck at a 75k sim. Could you help me out?
tropic ocean
well u can post sim here
but most likey low gear/azerite
and corruptions
you can edit all that stuff in gear compare to see your improvements
tropic ocean
well yeah
gear has lots of improvements
corruptions too
azerite mainly
and u miss a lot of sockets
off hand weapon enchant
vers/mast/deadly navigation one of those probably better than force multi
late iron
When i run drop itemizer the only two items I've found that are my than a 0.01% increase were plumage and harlans loaded dice though
strange python
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f2ScLEAsUXEhVqFssJZCMZ Subterfuge with nothing Shrouded Suffocation?
vapid scarab
yeah that's normal
strange python
Are my Azerite things too bad with SS?
scarlet sequoia
a quick little heads up to everyone trying to make exsang build sim high, try simming it with focused resolve potion instead of unbridled furry, should be better
opaque badge
Hey guys is there any real reason why my highest Sim is running exsang but it doesnt want me to run triple SS it's only saying to run 1 SS and 2x DD
vernal flume
exsang isn't dependent on running SS
distant lava
what a nice guy raz, thank you for the tip
tropic ocean
@opaque badge most likely because your azerite is not the optimal
- also keep in mind for fights like raden/nzoth/hivemind and so on
ss will be >> what u sim in patchwerk
due to multidot
strange python
you can use this to sim food/pot combos: https://pastebin.com/YR4YEKEv
arctic walrus
@scarlet sequoia but sir it doesn’t sim better for me
scarlet sequoia
shut up vel
arctic walrus
BUT
opaque badge
Aight thanks I thought the norm was to run 3 SS on exsang so it just threw me off that it would rather me run my 465 chest over a 480 piece with SS on it but the second ring wasnt great it had like rezans fury and the envenom trait
arctic walrus
You want your little message pinned?
tropic ocean
@opaque badge with bis azerite you mostly run 3 ss +exsang
its superior for fights >1 target
and it also is very strong for fights where u need short burst dps
like in nzoth e.g. and depending on gear its also better than other build 😄 on st
rigid mango
opaque badge
Okay what are the BiS azerite pieces? Like the only piece I havent got yet is the Cara Chest but I have all the other raid pieces
topaz valley
Engineering goggles proc could be any good when u run lots of expedients?
opaque badge
Yea my guild just recently started progging mythic we have Heroic on farm though is the Cara Chest from Heroic gonna be worth it? Or could I get a better M+ chest?
scarlet sequoia
mechagon chest + shoulders is good too
clockwork heart is strong
better until u can get cara mythic chest / gorak tul
arctic walrus
Does clockwork timer reset upon combat or foes it carry over
lean marten
is goraks BiS for xang
tropic charm
Would anyone mind helping me out? I currently have another expedient 3 in my bags, so I could always apply that to better pants or boots, or save it for when I get more corruption resistance: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tAq5HHXBYJD77QgJwRodbm
lean marten
why type many word when few word do trick
opaque badge
Aight I'll keep a look out for those right now I'm running the Raden head Nzoth shoulders and vex chest
topaz valley
did someone sim void ritual with expedients?
light pebble
Xang Gang
lethal coral
Jeez omg how do you run 47 corruption as assasination??
tropic ocean
?
lean marten
i prog at 79 ama
woeful minnow
tropic charm
Should I replace one of my current corruptions with another expedient 3, use it on 475 boots/pants, or save it for another piece when I get more resistance??
lean marten
Xang gang reppin it lets go
tropic charm
My guild is a casual M progression. Probably won’t ever get past 6/12 M @tropic ocean
tropic ocean
well then you can put it on 475s yeah
strange python
Deeper stratagem simming better than vigor now
tropic charm
Okay, I’ll wait until next week then so I won’t go past 60 corruption when I apply it
strange python
nice
lethal coral
I kms every time I go over 40 corruption, lol. So it’s amazing if anyone that is assassination goes higher for a class that gives you bonus stats for standing still. As long as I keep it below 39 my ST is really strong during raid bosses ^_^
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mRuTVqFJmxUTQAM1A91WnB
strange python
I play like 60 corruption
Just keep your cloak and your cape for when you know you will die
Health potions too
tropic charm
I mean if I really wanted to, I could get rid of one of my corruptions that gives mastery
lean marten
other than the mobility aspect, corruption is a healer mechanic unless ur 50% hp or less 🙂
strange python
I find corruption easier to manage on rogue than like monk
lethal coral
Trying to stun my own Thing From Beyond is a pain f^-^”)
tropic charm
If all my CDs, aren’t available, I just use poisoned knife on it and run
strange python
Feint it and you can usually tank one no problem
lean marten
reacting to it like that is a huge dps loss
dont even need to react unless ur <50% hp
lethal coral
It’s mainly the eye that doused me with love before the hug of death from the thing from beyond
Lmao
prisma coral
the slow is the real killer
lethal coral
The first mini eye, okay 👌... but the following eye, whew.. that’s a lotta damage
lean marten
unless ur <50% or have more than 15 eyestacks can soak eyes too
lethal coral
I can imagine running a hectic cleave set with high corruption during Hivemind and Carapace more doable than running a high corruption ST set on Wrathion, Skitra, Maut and Ra-Den
prisma coral
live dangerously, go 6 stars on Maut
lethal coral
As least for Assassination, which is all I play
lean marten
fights with more raid dmg like hive is dangerous for high corrupt becuase corruptions proc more when u take dmg
distant lava
You find it easier to run high corruption on carapace than on skitra ?
balmy cloak
Should I buy an expedient III before it goes away? I've simmed my character a lot and it doesn't offer gains to add another exp3 right now, nominal gains as my corruption resist goes up. Thinking it might be better to wait? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dUEm9Cm8f9Wauikh5eG411
I guess I'm surprised that stacking more exp3 doesn't seem to be a big boost for my toon atm
vast forum
you should buy expedients because they become much more worth when you get better gear
you just have very weird gear
no1 runs MA anymore
that helm, idk what that thing even is 😄
balmy cloak
ok, what better gear are you referring to, higher ilevel azerite pieces?
lol yea
MA?
plain thistle
master assassin, talent
balmy cloak
oh! ok lemme change that
what's the preference then? to run Subterfuge? even in raid?
vast forum
subterfuge outscales MA
because of the levels of crit we have atm
also, with high gear, exsang outscales TB
and exsang and SS favor haste a lot, which is where expedient really shines
that ttk/np/hod/whatever vers trait on helm combo isn't very optimal
balmy cloak
Thanks Yoppa, very helpful
gloomy slate
What is the opening sequence with sub and exsang?
idle ember
whats the opener look like for subt w/ DD? treat it just like you're running SS? I'm just returning and guild says they need more burst on Psychus. Wouldn't MA be ideal around 6-7 stacks?
arctic cloud
question: your spells and abilites have a chance to increase your haste by X amount, does it proc often and is it half decent?
west cove
Hi all, been away since S1. Is crimson tempest stacks with EB still viable in m+. I used to perform pretty well using CT instead of envenom with 4+ mobs.
hushed lion
their guide is probably from months ago when we didnt have so much gear
@arctic cloud racing pulse has about 30% uptime ingame
tested it myself a lot
arctic cloud
pretty neat then iguess
urban minnow
how much haste is needed for ss or exsang?
vestal dagger
Subterfuge has been summing a lot higher for me for a long time. It’s easy to forget to sim alternate talents when you’re busy sorting through the 28 corrupted rings you have in your bags.
scenic nacelle
Remember when Ion said he didn’t want people to have to sim between different sets of gear? I member
royal lantern
remember when people said that this thought is a dream because simming simply gets you the best results in the current way how gear works? i remember
"this thing is BiS"is dead for quite some time now
night smelt
Hello, how much hast/crit/mast/vers u aim to play with the build of SS
scarlet sequoia
at least 347
grizzled ruin
did any1 check their items with stars today?
gloomy slate
What's your opening sequence looking like @raz
grizzled ruin
instead of the fixed amount it was it scales with agility-atleast tooltip
royal lantern
@grizzled ruin tooltip bug, dmg doesnt change
gloomy slate
Great tyvm
raven wyvern
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sGnQGDjqWHHwxJY8ra1jkd
Anyone able to have a look at this, Why would it not sim 3xSS better? i thought 2 was a no go?
i know there is a lot better gear to get but trying to make it work
lean marten
wHy ArEnT yOu GaRrOtInG oN yOuR 4tH sUbT gLoBaL MR HASTE
raven wyvern
okay, i'll try that. thanks for the replu
spark olive
Is exsan better than tb?? or just a little more consistent even for Mythic Nya/Prog?
candid jasper
Should we be using strikethrough in any slots?
or just go balls deep with expedient
subtle iron
Should I stack double dose over twist the kinfe?
solar pendant
anyone seeing this talk about infinite stars hitting harder
loud gull
what essence is better for raids? World Vein or Blood of the enemy ?
reading about those 2 but doenst seem to find a clear answer
strange python
If haste effects proc rate of td but not other corruptions can td ever become more efficient, I am 100% haste sometimes
tropic ocean
yes
it will just increase its proc chance more
proc chance is maybe the wrong wording it will just proc more often per minute
peak jungle
What's wrong with everyone? Can't you just look at a piece of gear and know it's better?
-Ion
peak jungle
Nah, same. I feel ya
tropic ocean
well its very simple on infinite stars and twilight devastation haste will increase the proc rate
peak jungle
Honestly, I am just going to still wait for gushing wounds despite its nerf and just run that
tropic ocean
so with made up numbers lets say with 100% haste u avg proc 3 td per minute
with 1000% haste u might proc 8 per minute
or whatever
on avg
plain thistle
yes if you care about min maxing 🙂
tropic ocean
expedient is no rng corruption so in the long run
it will be your best bet currently
also it will be ur most consistent bet
as its not a proc
peak jungle
Ausr, now I have a couple questions about that
strange python
I guess when crit amp comes out it will be good to mix those
tropic ocean
for st? I don't think so
but you can just sim it, all corruptions are in raidbots
raz pretty much has your goal gear and for him afaik full expedient is best
strange python
who needs crit if you can do 500 apm instead
tropic ocean
so with potential bis gear
peak jungle
Haste is currently simming the lowest for me and I have been stacking crit gems/enchants since it has simmed highest. If you stack expedient, will you then be stacking haste gems/enchants?
tropic ocean
expedient seems to be go to
@peak jungle the more expedient u have and with the exsang build azerite yeah
peak jungle
If I choose to not go the exsang route, how much will the effectiveness of expedient be effected?
At that point, would it be more beneficial to go with something else?
civic hatch
Anyone got raz armory
peak jungle
But the TL;DR is more or less - expedient with exsang = good
tropic ocean
@peak jungle expedient is just generally very good for sin
with other build you just need to sim if other corruptions are not better
it relies on so much your azerite, your essences, and so on
strange python
Is wrathion dagger worth using?
peak jungle
Thanks
strange python
It sims good, but i have a expedient free
tropic ocean
if you don't have access to carapace dagger, yeah
ideally you want to use cara dagger due to higher ilvl
tropic ocean
well then you need to ask yourself if you can get a carapace mythic dagger anytime soon
otherwise 475 will be ur best mh ilvl
civic hatch
Jesus he’s got 4800 haste 😬
fleet jacinth
seems so inefficient
cobalt pelican
i think you just have to give up on energy as a concept
at that point
maybe cutting lucid makes it a bit closer but
i only play expedient.. 12? and it's already pretty close to being a nonfactor
light pebble
Since from raid the only good crit/haste piece are the bracers, should I just use the Exp3 on my 470 gear which has high haste and crit or wait for rng weekly chest to get a 475 crit haste piece?
tight glacier
I'm having a hard time justifying the expedient switch because I lose so much flexibility in M+
The really memey part about these high level corruptions is dropping them off of one piece is easier than losing 100 corruption across 5 pieces
loud gull
blood of the enemy or worldvein for raids?
lean marten
expedient + garrote is gud in m+
tight glacier
I dunno, the conclusion that some of the higher sin rogues are coming across in m+ is that Expedient is overrated in anything but tyrannical weeks
rose violet
outlaw is gud in m+
tight glacier
EB does a lot more for us
fleet jacinth
BotM
tight glacier
And Vers/Crit synergy is too stronk
lean marten
just go double slapper FoK build lul
loud brook
I'm on expedient 7 and everything feels like butter 60% of the time
I aspire to reach 3.5k haste and get to the promised land
Where the mutilates flow like a river of gold
urban minnow
@loud brook can u post a sim?
tight glacier
Double slapper FoK is a meme but it's legitimately viable. It's stupid.
I'm at 2k haste without any expedients. I'm probably overvaluing haste a bit.
loud brook
I'm on my phone, if you remind me later on in the night I'll throw one at you
tight glacier
I'd like to drop stars for triple expedient in raid since I have the 10 extra corruption to play around with.
light pebble
@tropic ocean in the sim you linked, is it better to go for higher ilvl gear with haste+other stat or instead use 470 crit haste?
tropic ocean
sim top gear
tight glacier
Expedient 9 kekw
tropic ocean
the stat difference between ilvls is not really big so
depending on how big of a difference your stat weights are it might be worth might be not
top gear will tell you
scarlet sequoia
agility is really good for exsang build so higher ilvl = better most of the time
urban minnow
@tropic ocean at what point does haste take over? right now for me its like crit mastery and haste near the bottom
tight glacier
Can someone expedient stacking post stat weights for me?
tight glacier
I'm idly curious on what mastery is valued at for exsang
cobalt pelican
stat weights generally still stay close to each other
light pebble
@tropic ocean how can I top gear it since they don't have exp 3 on them yet? That will change the stat weight since haste is more valuable right?
cobalt pelican
depending on your offset stats
scarlet sequoia
@tight glacier ye one min
tight glacier
@scarlet sequoia Cheers mate.
cobalt pelican
like crit/mastery/vers are generally decided solely on how much you have base on your gear
cobalt pelican
for me it's like 11.2 haste, 10.8 crit, 10.6 mast, 10.1 vers
light pebble
Oh sweet cheers
loud brook
Ooo nice
tropic ocean
or any other corruption u want
tight glacier
Hmm.