assassination

[cobalt pelican]

just get lucky every time

:)

[jolly star]

do you guys go outlaw on the last two?

carrapace and nzoth

[eternal bluff]

You would still suggest expedient if I'm not running sang?

[sullen pagoda]

what build are u playing?

3x NP?

[eternal bluff]

2x this week

[steep obsidian]

3 np is insane with vop major but pesonally id ony run that on wrathion and xanesh but that just my pref

that and tendies is a gamble build

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sullen pagoda]

i didnt mean with vop major

i meant 3x NP with bote major

is pretty fat for nzoth cuz dmg windows are pretty small

[steep obsidian]

sim it

yeh

that too

[eternal bluff]

Any boss other than N'zoth I'm not worried about. Just focusing on prog

[sullen pagoda]

yeah for prog id play 3x np bote

[steep obsidian]

i dont think anyone is missing dps checks on the adds on n'zoth right now

or id be surprised if they were

and you can't carry that as sin anyway

[sullen pagoda]

eh who knows guilds still progressing it probably dont have the best dps

[steep obsidian]

you there to wreck the boss so like you said

build for hat

that

[eternal bluff]

With appendage I am doing 18-20m for pushing down psychus. We are currently in the process of getting people used to phase 2

[deft obsidian]

Yeah on prog adds were melting to be honest, we just had a steep learning curve for paranoia/anguishes as well, people are derps

[steep obsidian]

psychus is generally only ever an issue if synapse dam is low

dam wise i mean

at least from my experience

[deft obsidian]

Yeah just need hunters to melt em down

[steep obsidian]

i pretty much do nothing but target synapse lol on my hunter

[verbal radish]

With the subterfuge opener. Do you no longer let the full garrote tick before vanish garrote application? Based on RH it looks like you use it pretty quickly, but maybe I am estimating gcds poorly.

[steep obsidian]

and do nothing so pyshus like 9 mill

and the mage does like 25M

[deft obsidian]

Yeah I didn't go down, just basher/boss king

[lean marten]

u pandemic it Nephty

[eternal bluff]

@sullen pagoda so you say def go for 3 NP and stack exp?

[sullen pagoda]

i had 31mil psychus dmg last week and fking warlock forgets to go down

[verbal radish]

So just under 5 seconds roughly..gotcha.

[sullen pagoda]

@eternal bluff well id go a bit more on crit/mastery with that build just for prog but i wouldnt spend echos on anything other than expedient

[rotund torrent]

@sullen pagoda hi do u think is a good choice to start play exsang build without 7 or 9 expedient stack?

[sullen pagoda]

sim it

i started playing it when it was like 1k dps loss for me just for fun

[rotund torrent]

Hm, ok

[coarse solar]

Chaps, I've got a stat prio question; I'm struggling to know which bits of gear to put the Expedient r3 I just bought on to, as my stat weights are a bit all over the place. I've got vers 9.07, mastery 8.35, then crit and haste at 7.2. Realistically I've got enough gear to put crit/haste in every slot but it's simming as a significant downgrade to do that (as expected, got to keep stat weights balanced).

Should I just find a piece with vers/mastery on it and stick it on that? It's hard to sim what are my 'best' pieces because corruptions are throwing things all over the place and causing some bits to be weighted differently.

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/stormscale/subeta

[dark crag]

You can select the expd3 in the corruption tab below and sim it with all the pieces you have

And forget about statweights, is the only answer

[balmy condor]

yeah

stat weights are worthless information tbh

its marginally useful if you know what you're doing

but uh, 99% of people, I suggest forgetting they exist tbh

[verbal sparrow]

I'm still quite sceptical about Exp, is it like overall good or good only for some kind of build ? I'm going SS/Sub Exsang build and and hunting versa/haste

[balmy condor]

SS/sub exsang build is haste

that's the build that becomes good with haste

its good for TB as well

[verbal sparrow]

and what's the second stat I'm going for ?

[balmy condor]

crit

some verse and some mast aren't awful

[mellow pier]

Honestly stat weights for rogue only matter for gems and enchants

[verbal sparrow]

More like... how many versa/mastery should I have when focusing Haste/Crit

[balmy condor]

but mainly haste/crit with exped stacking

bait question

[mellow pier]

Just equip ur highest ilvl shit most of the time

[balmy condor]

now that

that is mega wrong

[mellow pier]

Nah

[verbal sparrow]

Yes it is

[mellow pier]

465 perfect stats vs 475 not perfect almost always sims the 475 better

[balmy condor]

telling people to equip highest ilvl

is mega bait

and you shouldn't do that

you're actively spreading misinformation

[mellow pier]

Go sim something 10 ilvls higher

[balmy condor]

and that exact situation usually goes the other way

[mellow pier]

Show me it sims less

[verbal sparrow]

sometimes just basically 460 ilvl can be way much better than 475

[balmy condor]

because agility is an awful stat this late in the expac

[scarlet sequoia]

eh agility is quite good with ss exsang build

[mellow pier]

Minus rings it is almost never true

Atleast for assassin

And yes what raz said

[lone charm]

I have gone SS haste build for raiding but when I do mythics would toxic blade or exsang be better?

[mellow pier]

Swap spec

But for real it depends on week and affix

And pref

[lone charm]

I was thinking exsang holds good single target but also benefits aoe

Unlike toxic blade

[mellow pier]

Like for SoB last week i played outlaw and swapped exsang for last boss

And beat firemage burst

[lone charm]

This week I suppose exsang should be better because boss have more health longer dots

?

[mellow pier]

Ezsang and tb sim so close

It really is pref imo

[lone charm]

Ye

Sweet

I haven't got wep or gear setup for outlaw

Might work on it tho can I use my exp r3 in outlaw?

[mellow pier]

Nah

Outlaw u want lash/TD/Severe/Strikethrough

[vast forum]

i always run exsang

[mellow pier]

Yeah its all pref

[lone charm]

Oh yeah fuck going for them corruption aswell just for a spec that will be used aoe

[vast forum]

the only situation where tb is better is if you have a big pack with 1 important mob and you wanna pump envenoms into it

[lone charm]

Enough grinding now for assa build

I swear I picked the most annoying gear switching class

[mellow pier]

Yeah just be firemage

[vast forum]

bm hunt 🙂

[mellow pier]

Stack 1 gear set and be good at all

Atleast bm TRIES to use diff corruption

For ST/AoE

They dont really have to tho

[vast forum]

nah, severe all the way

[lone charm]

And arms warrior Sims are stupid atm with easy setups

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/84k1S2fc1cVLEAGQHXy7Gd

Fine I guess, 475 and 465 with good stats can be comparable, but I still wouldn't say "equip highest ilvl 4head"

[mellow pier]

Im not even gonna look at that sim

[balmy condor]

could've put on another exped I guess

[mellow pier]

Its at 70k

[lone charm]

Should exsang be used when bleeds are up full

[balmy condor]

lmao I'll pick a better char then

[lone charm]

And everyone it comes off CD?

[balmy condor]

jesus christ man

[mellow pier]

Its 9 dps too lmao

Margin of error

Not even a good example

[balmy condor]

you do what you want man ¯_(ツ)_/¯

saying "hurr durr ilvl" isn't good advice

[lone charm]

I sim 70k now with 463 item level

[mellow pier]

For 99% of pple in here

Its good advice

[cobalt pelican]

(it's not)

[mellow pier]

All things equal

Sockets

Yes

[cobalt pelican]

it's really not

[balmy condor]

you could say

[mellow pier]

It really is tho

[balmy condor]

"sim yourself, I've found that ilvl is usually pretty good"

but blanket statement ilvl is better

is troll

[mellow pier]

Nitpicking a stupid example and showing a 9 dps difference is also pretty dumb lol

Ngl

[balmy condor]

oh boo hoo

internet man picks mediocre example

[outer moon]

Hivemind sim.. Hectic add cleave, 2 bosses?

[mellow pier]

U will always use the 485 items over 475 items

Prove me wrong

[cobalt pelican]

3t patchwerk probably

[outer moon]

Might make more sense.. It's telling me TD3 > Slapper.

[cobalt pelican]

maybe the wrong channel but

yeah

[strange python]

Gear + corruption is way more important that ilvl

than*

[mellow pier]

Yeah i know

I said all things equal

[outer moon]

Whoops, sorry!

[cobalt pelican]

it's almost as if everyone in the game doesn't have every piece of gear with ever ycorruption on it with a socket

stop being a brainlet

[balmy condor]

^^^^^^^

[mellow pier]

We will all have expedient on every piece now

[verbal sparrow]

Yesterday I played with NP instead of HoD trait and I had insanely shitty dps, I suppose NP is only worth to pick when going with Vision of Perfection am I right ?

[mellow pier]

Its all k now

Prob not the 485 tho

I imagine those will be gushing

Atleast for me sims higher dps/corruption after nerf

[lone charm]

Man they really fucked with people's head on this expansion

Haha

And I guess whole new set for PvP right?

With ver% corruption

[azure shoal]

any1 else here 4k haste club

[modern bear]

wasss alrdy supposed to

[glacial silo]

Hey guys, I know your probably get that asked all the time - I just got Ashvanes Coral and can't seem to find on how many stacks I trigger it again - or if i just trigger it on CD

[modern bear]

type !coral

here

in chat

[glacial silo]

!coral

[prisma monolith]

The way to use coral in M+ is using it on your priority target,
and then whenever that target dies, reapply it to your next target.
Whenever your target dies it gives you the crit it would give from using it,
so consuming the stacks for crit mid pack is generally suboptimal.

[modern bear]

and if u need a link

i have a weakaura?

which shows stacks etc

[balmy condor]

in raids with vendetta iirc

[worldly sandal]

yes

[glacial silo]

iirc ?

[worldly sandal]

coral when vendetta is off cooldown

then reapply

[balmy condor]

if i remember correctly

[modern bear]

https://wago.io/DT4WdRvaJ/1

[verbal sparrow]

It's always about 12-15 stacks when you're going without Vision of perfection, basically when you're about to burst

[glacial silo]

Thanks for the WA

hopefully i dont screw it up comepletly ❤️

[modern bear]

i also use a wa

to show my stats

like all the %s

so i know when to do what

[glacial silo]

Sadly I don't get to practice it before my raid so - wish me luck

[modern bear]

just go training dummy

EZ

get it in the fingers

it also tells u when u should apply

[glacial silo]

cant go to a dummy, I'm in the raid as we speak :c

[rose sapphire]

Guys, im stacking expedient, but am I gonna do with my 485 daggers of Cara? wait for Gushing or keep the mind flay

[glacial silo]

I wonder how gushing will turn out after the nerf

[modern bear]

u cant

do it

on ur 485 ara?

cara

literally

or did they fix it alrdy?

[rose sapphire]

why not, cleanse and apply gushing when u can buy it?

[modern bear]

no

that doesnt work

indie developer amirite?!?!

[strange python]

they fixed kit

[balmy condor]

^

[strange python]

-k

[modern bear]

ye?? surew?

[balmy condor]

season 4 items

[strange python]

Would anyone mind looking over something for me? I think I'm doing something wrong, but I'm really not sure.

[rose sapphire]

u can do it

[balmy condor]

that includes raid items

[strange python]

you can corrupt crafted items now as well

[rose sapphire]

u cant corrupt clenased items before this release

[balmy condor]

but there's an addon that'll tell you

if you're really sure

[rose sapphire]

they are trying to fix it

[modern bear]

nice, im waitingf for void focus to get some jewelcrafting rings

[rose sapphire]

but still im not sure what to do with the daggers

im thinking about expedients on my gear and gushing on the daggers

[modern bear]

the mindflays are very strong too

gushing nerfed

idk if gushing still outweighs??

nerf soon

[strange python]

the TA wasnt great

so i just put exp3 on it

[rose sapphire]

but I think its a waste to put exp 3 on weps since u can overpower it with the ilvl

like gushing, and mby a 485 item equals to 475 pre nerf

but dno

[modern bear]

maybe just do it on a ring?

[strange python]

i mean if you have, the mechagon rings are pretty good for exp3 right now

[rose sapphire]

I have mechagon rings both exp r3

wrists r3

boots r3

hands and belt r3

so 6 x r3

but I am not sure what to do with my weps

[modern bear]

i still need loop of division:(

but isnt a leviathans eye of ilvl 470

better than the mechagon trinks?

also since u always have to be behind the boss

or backside atleast

[scarlet sequoia]

n

[modern bear]

hillster can u show me ur sim

im curious

patchwerk

[rose sapphire]

I can send u dm later

[modern bear]

yea dope

whats ur haste %

flat?

without any buffs rollin

[rose sapphire]

65%

[modern bear]

LOL

sick

im on 24 sadly

no exps for me

[rose sapphire]

that why the mechagon rings scale well

[modern bear]

im going to get severe first to get my mythic + build sick

then with that free high key farm

il save for next expedient moment

[regal river]

If im going x3 SS for exsang build should I just stack haste or actually follow the stat weight from simbot? Currently 40% haste and it is my least prioritized stat atm

[rose sapphire]

check pin

[balmy condor]

don't follow statweight

statweight bad

[rancid bobcat]

I do wonder what causes that though. Usually stat weights are somewhat accurate

[strange python]

how about the 232387623 stat procs and amps we got atm

and different stuff scaling with different stats

[rancid bobcat]

I mean sims take that into account

[balmy condor]

and people with like exped2 wondering why exped20 is good

when haste is like

double the value in exped20

[modern bear]

exped2 and exped20

what?

u mean like 40%

increase?

[ruby oar]

is any test on boss of this new build vs the old build?

[balmy condor]

hyperbole

but exped makes haste better

[ruby oar]

Because i'm looking to the logs, and seems that the old build keeps rocking

[balmy condor]

cause you get more haste per haste

so people look at stat weights with very little exped

and they go "huh haste bad"

[modern bear]

yeaah since EVERYTHINg

gets buffed

if u have

3 overwhelming power

my fkn goood boi

and vita

im running 24 haste only since i dont have expeds

[balmy condor]

@ruby oar literally

[modern bear]

and haste crit is better for me atm

[balmy condor]

it says so in point #3

[ruby oar]

i already looked to the pins

[little root]

if they let us buy lash of the void its gonna be BiS right?..

[ruby oar]

And i know what you're talking about

[modern bear]

they wont let us buy

[balmy condor]

okay then whats the question

[modern bear]

that

[ruby oar]

i'm just trying to understand how much this new build would impact the damage of our rogues

[strange python]

what if i told you there's a point where playing deeper feels like playing vigor

[modern bear]

a LOT lol

[strange python]

just with more oomph

[modern bear]

if u can buy 5 exps

gg logs

[balmy condor]

new build

is better

but old build

is viable

[ruby oar]

yea i getting your point @strange python

[balmy condor]

its close

but once you get exped

[ruby oar]

is almost playing always with lust 😄

[cobalt pelican]

they're both pretty equal tbh, they both have their upsides and downsides

[balmy condor]

new build will pull ahead by a bit

[ruby oar]

i buyed 2x exp

[cobalt pelican]

deeper/tb lets you go vop for timers much easier, and kinda benefits on longer fights

[chilly marsh]

at some point you even stop using lucid lol

[ruby oar]

Dont have more echoes

I'm trying to farm as much as i can

[cobalt pelican]

deeper/exsang is much more frontloaded, tends to be better on <=3min sims even at lower gear levels, and lets you cleave well

idk ideally

i'd have gear for both

[ruby oar]

Atm my build is 2x RacingPulse3 and 2xExpr3

[balmy condor]

needs more exped3

[rancid bobcat]

Isn't the gear the same

[cobalt pelican]

yeah in terms of

corruptions

i just don't have

azerite dupes

[rancid bobcat]

Ah

I'm still at

30k resid

[strange python]

you dont reforge daily?

[rancid bobcat]

No

Once I get a carapace chest I probably will

[tiny quartz]

is the new build better for nzoth mythic?

[rancid bobcat]

Everything else needs different pieces though

Oh I need a 2nd raden helmet I guess

[strange python]

second goraks would be cool

[rancid bobcat]

But I have a suitable replacement

Outlaw uses nzoth shoulders, and ilgy for exsang, gorak for tb

Well gorak actually sims higher for me

In both

But idk if I'll even switch much

[bleak spoke]

Gorak tul’s owns

[cobalt pelican]

still don't own

: }

luckily it doesn't outsim anything in any of my gear atm so whatever

short sims clockwork heart is gamer gear, and longer sims i play nzoth shoulders 🙈

[indigo elk]

is sin easier than outlaw on 5 mask runs? or are they about the same

[strange python]

probably yes

get kind of irrelevant with enough gear but in the beginning sin is way easier to just blast the bosses

[indigo elk]

alright thanks ! just got decent gear not mythic lvl so just wondering which spec easier to clear 5 mask, have yet to clear

[last crown]

how big of a deal is SS for the exped build? all ive got are double doses

[balmy condor]

exped good for both builds

exsang requires SS, but becomes viable even without at higher gear levels

[rancid bobcat]

WAITING

[bronze wagon]

where can I find this new build?

[balmy condor]

logs probably

[patent topaz]

why do people keep calling it new build? its been around for months

[balmy condor]

its just DS/exsang

but you stack hella haste

yeah its not really "new"

but people say "new" because its the hot thing on the streets

[last crown]

how much haste is "hella" for this?

[tropic ocean]

@patent topaz not new but for many ppl just figuring it out

got more popular over last few weeks

[last crown]

im at about 2.2k/34%

[balmy condor]

yeah around there is when it starts being usable

just sim it

[last crown]

hoping to pick up one more exped, and then also replace my strikethrough boots with exped boots

[bronze wagon]

wait, we want expedient?

[last crown]

anyone know how long the vendor will last before cycling?

[tropic ocean]

im at 41% out of fight

and im going to buy 3 more exp

:>

[balmy condor]

we want like

24 exped

yes

[tropic ocean]

oh waitim 46% even

[last crown]

those of us who returned to the game a few weeks ago are stuck with low corruption resistance 😦

[balmy condor]

@bronze wagon :)

[last crown]

but also not sure how much exped ic an buy before the vendor resets

[balmy condor]

probably 1

[tropic ocean]

comes down to how much time u can spend and grind

[balmy condor]

maybe 2 if you hard grind

[last crown]

is it tuesday reset? i thought they said in the announcement it would be twice a week

[tropic ocean]

saturday

[balmy condor]

yeah

[tropic ocean]

do all assaults, use up all ur vessels

[balmy condor]

resets with the minor assault

[tropic ocean]

do weekly quest chests

spam arena/m+

[balmy condor]

if you haven't gotten to 5k by now

I'd say you're pretty doomed for 2 by the reset

[tropic ocean]

dont think so

[scarlet sequoia]

u get 5k from opening weekly chests

[tropic ocean]

your time limits you

like even if you done all stuff just from grinding keys/arena u can get 2 expedient until saturday

[balmy condor]

well, yeah, I'm not counting weekly cache here

I think for most people, grinding 1 extra purchase is the typical

2 is hard grind

[remote panther]

How many expedients should we be buying 2? 3?

[balmy condor]

3 is mega uber

[tropic ocean]

as much as possible

[balmy condor]

^

[patent topaz]

I got expedient 3 socket 470 gloves from vision. But im already wearing 465 socket expedient 3 gloves

xd

[balmy condor]

8 minimum

we don't know past that

I think

[tropic ocean]

you can full clear hc as well for echoes

if you didnt do it

+use up all your vessels

[lofty coral]

is expedient still the corruption to shoot for if you are running TB

[balmy condor]

yes

[remote panther]

F my rogue is my alt so 2 toons hard grind and full time work sucks

[tropic ocean]

quit job

wow is lyfe

[remote panther]

lol uh no

[tropic ocean]

or depending on what country you are from

[balmy condor]

quit job?

what job

[tropic ocean]

in germany call doctor tell ur lungs hurt

2 weeks free quarantene

🙂

[balmy condor]

or live in america

and get laid off

:)

farm that exped

more haste more good

™️

[remote panther]

I do love in the us Guess I’m F’d.

Could just blow through vessels until my eyes bleed

I have 218k vision things

[balmy condor]

jesus

yeah that'll do it

[remote panther]

Just doing dailies lol

[balmy condor]

I ran all my vessels

feels bad

[tropic ocean]

yeah just blow vessels lol

13 vessels or so

[tidal gorge]

Anyone happen to have tried playing around with stuff other than haste stacking? (e.g. Mastery stack with 3x NP) Have been super busy at work this week so not much time to sim things. Also no time to grind out more than 2 Exp3's 😦

[tropic ocean]

will net u 2 exp

[balmy condor]

mastery stacking with 3x np doesn't seem good

crit stacking doesn't seem good

vers stacking is omegalul

[remote panther]

It’s 21 vessels

[balmy condor]

there's an argument to be made for GW stacking, but with the nerf next week, exped is just gonna be better

[scarlet sequoia]

full gw was never gonna be the best

nerf or not

[balmy condor]

yeah but a mixture is what I mean

[scarlet sequoia]

sure

[balmy condor]

I think gushing on 485 might still be viable over exped if you already have a bajillion haste

but idk

we'll have to see how it shakes out

[rancid bobcat]

i have been doing nothing but vessels and dailies that give echos

since the vendor came out

[last crown]

holy shit saturday reset

im only at 600 echoes atm =\

(i bought one earlier this week)

[bronze wagon]

isnt reset tomorrow

[tame sigil]

I have two so far, more M+ farming tonight after raid and then run Heroic tomorrow for bosses. Hopefully can get another 1 at least

[scarlet sequoia]

finally done

[tame sigil]

Jesus christ

[rancid bobcat]

you had a head start doesn't count

[scarlet sequoia]

how

started on 0

[tame sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-warcraft-me-in-front-of-acomputer-gif-13604531

[strange python]

beautiful

grats

[rancid bobcat]

but you had some exp 3s already

[scarlet sequoia]

ive replaced them all

except 1

[rancid bobcat]

exactly

[scarlet sequoia]

ive farmed 6 now since yesterday

[strange python]

really thought that would be more than 60% haste tho

[scarlet sequoia]

i have 0 haste gems

[rancid bobcat]

i should be coming out of the reset with 6

but definitely didnt play as much as i could

[opal minnow]

did you just spam arena

[rancid bobcat]

pvp

[scarlet sequoia]

ye it wasnt fun

[royal lantern]

wow pvp and fun

[bronze wagon]

100 echos per win?

[slim oxide]

@scarlet sequoia what corruption do you use ?

[royal lantern]

chose 1

[rancid bobcat]

boost me pls

need r4 cns

[fast pine]

Do I use CLF on open with SS build ?

on cd ?

[rancid bobcat]

line it up with another vendetta depending on fight length

[harsh sphinx]

@scarlet sequoia how many games did you tank before starting?

[scarlet sequoia]

in total while doing it i tanked 34 games

and won 136

[harsh sphinx]

nice, just tanked 15. about to start my pilgrimage

[scarlet sequoia]

gl with it

[harsh sphinx]

ty

[lone charm]

What's the best time refresh garrots and rup?

11seconds for garrot and 7 for rup?

[bronze wagon]

its like 9 seconds for 4cp on rupture and 6 seconds for 5cp

garrote 4.5s

[fast fog]

@cobalt pelican Thanks again for the help yesterday. Decided to play with DS, and Exsang after all and it's feeling pretty potent and engaging. Cheers.

[verbal sparrow]

Wait you farmed only trough pvp ?

something tells me that this guy is a glitch in a system

[royal lantern]

its raz

[verbal sparrow]

I want 30k per 2 days of echoes too

[royal lantern]

raz is special

[last crown]

wait so with DS and Exsang are you forcing 6pt ruptures before exsang?

and if memory serves - you refresh garrote before exsang and let the exsang full expire on both before reapplying, that still true?

[muted ridge]

what's the current meta for M+ azerite?

[verbal sparrow]

also. What is the overall best way to farm echoes if I'm out of visions and my arena score is only 1610 ?

[cold meteor]

pvp looks like the best

[tropic ocean]

@muted ridge 3ss 3 eb

3 ss 3 hod 3 ss 2 hod 1 bbi

depending on key/affix/goal

[muted ridge]

ty

[tropic ocean]

@verbal sparrow spam arena/m+

[sly fern]

Dear experts, what can you say about racing pulse? I have two 2 T3 (1275 haste each). Can it be the reason why expend build sim bad for me?

[lone junco]

@sly fern its good, but there are a lot of other things that can lead to the expedient to not be your bis. It may be more consistent though. esp if you dont get a ton of tendy or stars

[lavish swallow]

does that screenshot say 61% haste?

[true kindle]

can someone link me or tell me how to use SS with exsanguinate? i have always used toxic blade

[sage plank]

!opener

well nvm 😄

[woeful minnow]

it's in the guide

[true kindle]

the ravenholdt one?

[woeful minnow]

yes

[woeful minnow]

all the different openers for all the talent/azerite choices are in there

[scarlet sequoia]

105k now it should be

doing the gem sim rn

[glacial steppe]

how the fuck do you log at dresta

literally always downtime

[eager mountain]

@scarlet sequoia can you please share the talents? Is it elaborate with exanguainate?

and is it subterfuge?

[rancid blaze]

So would I need 3 SS for exsang build? I have 42% haste atm and one expedient and racing pulse i should be able to get another expedient before the change

[lone junco]

talents? Ep subterfuge Exang

[strange python]

Sim it?

[lone junco]

@scarlet sequoia grats on 105k

[strange python]

But generally exsang can also be worth without 3 SS ye.
But really, just sim it

[rancid blaze]

Ok thanks

[lone junco]

and, anything within the first 1% is going to be about the same.

[rancid blaze]

Ok

[lone junco]

exang opener is just so easy to perform and not RNG

then TADAA you did big damage

[turbid osprey]

yo is the hivemind ring bis for the exsang build? or do i want to find a high haste low crit one

?

for ref

tryna work out if i should just drop an expedient on it now or just hold on to it

[drifting cloud]

mechagon set

[turbid osprey]

ah ok, hold out for the (haste on 3 diff abilities combo?)

[woeful minnow]

behind

[desert kelp]

Which corruption is the best one to start buying from the corruption vendor?

[ember mural]

expedient 3 is strong and currently on vendor

[tardy pelican]

Does elaborate planning effect garrote damage?

[desert kelp]

Expedient stacking and exsang build?

also is 2s the fastest way of farming echoes or?

[ember mural]

sim your toon to see if exsang is better but expedient is strong for both toxic blade and exsang

visions is faster/more effecient if you have coal

[desert kelp]

wish I did ngl, only one for now another tomorrow though

[ember mural]

@tardy pelican yea EP effects rogue abilities so garrote is included

yea do 2s then or grind m+

[desert kelp]

how much is m+ per dungeon or does it go by level?

[cursive plaza]

If im only concerned with mythic nzoth progression would SS exang, expedient stack still be best fit. Imagine the cleave is prob quite nice. Or are there any fight specific talent or corruptions anyone would recommend?

[tropic ocean]

@desert kelp 15 per keystone lvl

@cursive plaza expedient ss exsang is super

not only for cleave

[desert kelp]

so way slower than 2s

[tropic ocean]

but its high dmg in boss phase as well

[desert kelp]

wait are there only certain slots where I can place expedient?

[tropic ocean]

nope

u can pretty much put it everywhere

except trinket azerite and neck

[desert kelp]

gives me an error when trying to place on weapon

"that item cannot be modified"

[woeful minnow]

yeaaa if you uncorrupted it before this week you can't do it

[tropic ocean]

either it was uncorrupted before reset

or it already has corruption

[desert kelp]

it was uncorrupted before reset

so does that mean I can't place it on cleansed items?

[woeful minnow]

only on cleansed items post reset

blizzard is working on a hotfix

[desert kelp]

I see

[woeful minnow]

so it's not a permanent thing (hopefully)

[last crown]

can anyone confirm exsang rotation with DP?

[desert kelp]

what a pain in the ass

thanks though

[last crown]

always force 6pt CP, always re-garrote before exsang (unless SS empowered), and then let both fully expire before reapplying?

6pt rupture*

[restive otter]

sorry forgot I had this discord channel and sorry for asking a question that has prob been talked about but what corruptions should I target.

[last crown]

expedient3is the general consensus right now

[cursive plaza]

@ausr thought so thanks

[short token]

so are people stacking every item with expedient?

or trying to

[last crown]

wonder if expedient stack will increase prio on CLF3

[fickle zinc]

Mind flays 3 or Infinite stars 3 on assa rogue for raid?

[pseudo hamlet]

expedient for raids

[opaque badge]

Is there like a soft crit cap to where i want to look for as much haste as possible? because i currently am running 40% Crit and 20% haste but but thats with 2 Rank 3 Severes and no expedients

[last crown]

if you really want you could probably stack a set of stars for Shadh, but otherwise stars is overrated as fuck

actually wonder if clf3 major and focusing iris minor will become meta with expedient

[topaz valley]

What would be the best corruption after 5 expedient r3? still expedients?

[lean marten]

assa is typically a boss dmg spec, nothing wrong with stacking IS and tunneling bosses imo :^)

[last crown]

problem is that IS doesnt target your target, it targets any available target

and if its not stackign to 10 its pretty bad

so unless the whole encounter is just a single mob, IS falls off megahard

thats why i was asking about essence minor

[topaz valley]

@last crown Do you hold vendetta one more minute to line it with the second condense life force cast?

[spare flame]

Do we actualy just want straight expediant with SS build? I can run like 4x r3 exped but that feels insane

[lean marten]

sim it bawloo

[last crown]

i usually dont voif

[short token]

stars is garbage, sorry just had to add that

[lean marten]

does IS hit targets you haven't dmg'd/dotted? or just any target in 40yd ur in combat with

[vast forum]

anything

[wise fog]

hey guys what will the best possible combination of corruption be right now?

a.k.a. best case scenario

[royal lantern]

stack expedient

[wise fog]

how much ranks and then what else?

[orchid solstice]

Stacking expedient with DS + exanguinate if you wanna be baller

[wise fog]

worth dropping the dagger corruption?

[nocturne gate]

If u like gambling ur dps dont cleanse

[lone junco]

id keep the dagger tbh. the rng is still nice at times. but you can sim the difference.

[vast forum]

the difference is huge tho

[wise fog]

yep will do

[lone junco]

you cant put that shit back on though.

[vast forum]

tendies are just mediocre

you can put it back on tho

when the vendor has r2 tendies

[lone junco]

https://giphy.com/gifs/waynes-world-wayne-campbell-MUeQeEQaDCjE4

[lean marten]

cleanses def feel less bad now

[scarlet sequoia]

think bis is just full out expedient rn

eventually as corruption resistance goes up u add some sort of proc

[slim olive]

Why did I buy twisted 3 T_T

Regrets

[tropic ocean]

@last crown idk for me clf major is dps loss

with 5 exp

[orchid solstice]

No one uses CLf

Big statement - rephrase: most people don’t run clf as blood is more versatile

[woeful minnow]

think that's mostly wrong now that we have easy expedient3 stacking

[crisp sluice]

Sorry dumb question - what does sin rogue trend towards right now for pure single target raid damage?

stack expedient? or mind flay? combo?

[astral tangle]

I would assume flat stats are always going to be best. You dont want to rely on a corruption to proc

so having something like flat stats is always going to be bis

not sure what ratio but that makes more sense.

[last crown]

@tropic ocean a dps loss over BoTE? even on single target?

[tropic ocean]

y

[last crown]

but im only at 6k honr and i want an excuse to not grind to rank 3

😦

[south lichen]

with three DD do we stay subterfuge?

[astral tangle]

It will take a while to get best ideas as everyone has different gear and there are soft caps

[south lichen]

or go master assassin?

[lean marten]

sim yoself

[cobalt pelican]

clf is a pretty sizable upgrade for me and still fits a decent amount of fight timers for my guild but

it's getting to the point it won't fit very well kinda soon

but it seems to vary a bit char to char besides expedient rank, prolly neck lvl since blood only upgrade it's minor every few levels and base crit or some mix

[surreal solar]

geh, sims are still putting crit above haste... and haste is just below it... contemplating.... buy a 12% haste and hold it for when crit pops up?

[fleet anchor]

@tidal gorge I did a full Crit setup, it was fine but the top-end was about 6k below Haste stacking

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nkfrRmrzqhdcrjAhRasDKt

For reference the similar Expedient stack gearset got to around 112k

The real tricky thing in trying to do this with live gearsets is to find a "path" to the full Haste setup

It's really hard any time you are running non-Haste gear or TA Corruptions to actually wind your way out into the Haste setup

And you need quite a lot of Haste to "unlock" Deeper Strategem as a gain, for example

[woeful minnow]

from r6 tendies I basically had to start from scratch to make an exp6 set work

[fleet anchor]

It will be fairly easy for people to get "stuck" in certain setups unfortunately 😦

[woeful minnow]

er

exp9

[little root]

DS exsang just started simming 500 dps higher for me than vigor tb today

[surreal solar]

4 strikethroughs 4 severes? all max? or

[slim wren]

@fleet anchor might as well buy up the corruptions to stack and hold on to them and use for when you have the right setup.

[fleet anchor]

General findings about stacking Crit setup is that you roughly want to keep your Severes and Strikethroughs similar

Since they interact

[tidal gorge]

Thanks! I think this weekend I'll also try simming a mix of crit/haste and of mastery/haste. I want to keep my playstyle of 3x NP with BotE/VoP minor if I can make it work, but if not I'll go for boring haste 😦

[woeful minnow]

out of curiosity do you have the 112k expedient stack gearset link on hand?

[surreal solar]

so, would it be safe to say, cleanse my twisted appendages and replace with strikethroughs/severes as they appear?

[fleet anchor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pNjGLmoD3iDpR5Dyohefu9

[woeful minnow]

"future raz" lmao, thanks

do you know off the top of your head the difference between symbiotic presence and the next best thing (I assume lucid)?

[fleet anchor]

It's quite close

That was just a minor tweak

[fallow marsh]

Am i right that the haste build is only worth with the ss stack? Or could it be also n1 with masterasassine?

[cobalt pelican]

tbh if a haste set and a crit set are that close i like

would tend to lean towards crit

but i think a lot of ppl don't agree with me on that

[last crown]

haste is pulling way ahead for me with only 1 SS and lower item levels

[little root]

someone posted the macro that shows tooltip for either tb or exsang yesterday depending on which talent is selected...anyone know what it is?

[cobalt pelican]

more flexible in terms of what content you can do, more flexible in terms of cleave fights later in the raid

[last crown]

@fleet anchor does void really work effectively in raid?>

[surreal solar]

honestly, i feel crit is energy starved? but there's no happy middle

[cobalt pelican]

the syntax is like

[woeful minnow]

/cast [talent:6/2] Toxic Blade; [talent:6/3] Exsanguinate

[cobalt pelican]

yea that

[lean marten]

why stack crit just get lucky lul

[surreal solar]

honestly as i get pieces i might aim more towards crit build

[echo crest]

stacking haste curruptions what would be best stats? haste and ??

for raiding

[little root]

ty

[last crown]

am i misunderstanding how Formless Void minor works? isnt that buff not really viable in a raid if only one person can get it at a time?

[fleet anchor]

It is up all the time

[last crown]

the rank 3 effect's wording makes it seem like only one person in the raid can have it

[fleet anchor]

That is only the benefit you get from using

That isn't really considered

The primary+haste top part is independent

And will be up 90-100% of pulls

Tanks run Concentrated Flame in raids nowadays, there is not much way for it to drop

[cobalt pelican]

i'd only caveat you really need either a breath player or a tank playing crucible

[last crown]

the wording on this thing is horrificly worded then

[fleet anchor]

Welcome to BfA tooltips 😄

[last crown]

so you run it for the agi not the haste? or is it just not a common enough minor that you wind up getting the haste often enough?

[fleet anchor]

Basically YOU give the people using the essence that bottom buff

You get the top buff from them using it

But the bottom one is basically ignored because it is legit only 1 per raid

No matter how many people are running the minor

Because 🍝

You get the haste

The second part is never considered for personal sims

It's just replicating the Haste part to someone else

[last crown]

the way its written makes it seem like only one person gets the haste

[scarlet sequoia]

its 2 parts

its not that confusing

[last crown]

i mean, when rank 2 gives only agi not haste, and rank 3 gives haste, and then rank 3 says "only one ally can have this Haste effect at a time"

its not unreasonable to assume that they might be referring to the haste buff as the haste buff

[scarlet sequoia]

sure

[worn crest]

The future raz sim was before the crafted corruption announcement right?

[mint valve]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/BzC69goG9WKss9wCZefB7

why is my gear not simming for higher when ifeel like i have good azerite pieces and lots of haste? please help

[tulip tide]

So after reading the sticky and seeing that haste is king - what is the queen? Do we not care about the 2nd stat?
And what trinkets would we want to run with it?

[fleet anchor]

That's how it works 😄

[last crown]

yeah i got it now, its just needlessly complicated wording from blizzard

[tulip tide]

And followed with what essences 😄

[scarlet sequoia]

mastery seems to be the move

at least for me

[cobalt pelican]

at least the clockwork heart shoulders are only -97 to goraks on that profile

:)

now i never need goraks

[fleet anchor]

Also the raid shoulders are close too fwiw

Azerite actually is not too important here

[last crown]

playing with sims found small differences between DD and SS for me tbh

having heart of darkness seemed more core

[tulip tide]

soo.. 3 hearts, 1 nothing personal, 2 ss or dd ?

i can see dd being great for ST with a lot of haste seeing as you can probably pump a lot of mutis into your envs

[surreal solar]

at how many expedients does deeper get freed from its prison? 9? or 12?

if its worth it i'll gradually peel away my twisted appendages (all i had prior to this)

[little root]

ds is simming 500 higher for me now and i only have one expedient 3

so sim yourself lol

[feral creek]

Im playing R13 expedient +R2 stars and im fucking blasting singletarget bosses😂 its like 26-32stars

[fickle forum]

What is SS and DD in the pinned message xD

[eager delta]

shrouded suffocation and double dose

azerite traits

[fickle forum]

ic thx

[surreal solar]

hmmm guess ill fiddle about a bit

[surreal vale]

Hello guys im new on dc, this is my rogue for Ny´alotha hc and mitic
I accept all kinds of suggestions and advice
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ct2z9pyqC6YrYR7ZEF5rBc

[rocky ibex]

Hello guys, i wonder whats the best build for ST mythic nyalotha?

[tall rose]

I’m starting to see a lot more people using the formless void. Is that to be used with haste build or haste corruptions?

[fallow marsh]

as far as i know +

[scarlet sequoia]

for that to be better u need sooooooo much haste

it is a like 200 dps increase over lucid for me right now with 7x tier 3 expedients (60% base haste)

[fleet anchor]

@surreal solar probably depends on how much Haste you have on your gear

Vita, etc.

For me I was seeing Deeper pull ahead with 4x Expedient IIIs

But it might be lower

9 might be plausible

[chilly marsh]

you change prepot for teh crit one too?

[fleet anchor]

I need to come up with something more clever for the potion logic.. crit pot is still better for a lot of setups

[last crown]

weird that my sim is still pushing DD over SS

[surreal solar]

@fleet anchor yeah, i've got vita/dragscale since they're outsimming coral with just 1 exp3

but sims are looking for more crit so i dont know if its just i lack crit on my gear, or what

maybe just watch for crit/haste parts

[fleet anchor]

CLF kinda pushes Deeper over the edge earlier too

[surreal solar]

cough mechagon rings

clf is usable in all? or just raid? i usually do keys

[fleet anchor]

I still need to get the Haste ring

I have a behind ring with a socket already

[surreal solar]

i have both, just 1s a 445 and i really dont want to

[fleet anchor]

Haven't managed to get the Haste proc one yet

[glossy nova]

First gushing all tier. RIP

[cobalt pelican]

still pretty difficult to tell what my gear is doing rn

like upgrading 460 boe exp3 socket to carapace boots exp3 socket is showing as my biggest upgrade

i guess i should wait till the gw nerf is in before caring though

[scarlet sequoia]

not weird bro

was same for me

was like 900 dps

[cobalt pelican]

mm i guess i'll have to do it at some point

but that just means MORE FARMING

fuuuuuuuck

[fleet anchor]

It's hard to navigate

The corruption gear maze 😦

[cobalt pelican]

i'm playing gw wrists rn though so hopefully when they're dead (455) i can just put exp there

[surreal solar]

.> DS is only showing within 300dps change with just 1 exp3... looks like another exp will tilt it

[hazy shale]

Anyone know if gushing wound has got the nerf updated on RaidBots?

[last ingot]

Do I want TD corruption for m+ or stack stat corruptions?

[hazy shale]

TD rank 3 and spend the rest on 12% haste

[fleet anchor]

Also about the major essence fight length issue with CLF.. could be an argument for running Formless Void and copying Blood initially then copy CLF on slightly delayed (15s for Formless CD) second Vendetta before the end of the fight 😛

But there is no SimC support for Formless right now unfortunately and would be quite tricky to implement 😦

[scarlet sequoia]

then you'd need 2 essence macros

to use it @ the target u want

also has a cast time i think so that would be kinda shit to do mid fight

[fleet anchor]

Still gets you a "free" major use on a shorter fight length

CLF is quite a bit stronger than Blood for that setup so it's probably worth the cast time, if you can get a raid comp setup for it

😛

[cobalt pelican]

something on skitra broke my stealth today in raid

it was very upsetting

i prepull clfed stealth and my stealth instantly broke on boss pull and i like brainfarted and didn't shadowstep and overwrote my 1st gcd garrote

[surreal solar]

i think it's skitra's stacking shadow debuff

happens to me all the time right on pull about a half second after it starts

[scarlet sequoia]

that comes from the illusions

so wouldnt be

[surreal solar]

maybe its the split mind thing then?

[fleet anchor]

But honestly I'm not even sure about the fight length argument because CLF still beats Blood at both 2 minute and 3 minute duration sims, most of which should be very positive fight lengths (due to vary_combat_length default of 20% meaning half of those 3 minute sims will get no CLF at all)

Think it's definitely possible even a single CLF use still beats two Blood uses for an Exsang setup

[hollow cloak]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/boACcSJGydt4XHCnGB4Tdz

[cobalt pelican]

there's the tank debuff right

[hollow cloak]

i get like 500 difference bote and clf

[scarlet sequoia]

i simmed clf for every fight length (1-10 min) and clf was always better, but i played blood this week and got similar results as with clf tbh

[cobalt pelican]

that gets applied to

2 random ppl or w/e

[scarlet sequoia]

clf seems fucked sometimes tho

it will only get 20-25 casts off

when its supposed to be 30+

[shy dust]

Was the haste issue never properly fixed?

[surreal solar]

i think bote is just more comfortable

[fleet anchor]

I remember reading about that issue but forget what it was caused by

I think it's the haste overcapping right?

[cobalt pelican]

it was in tep yeah

[fleet anchor]

Because of the ICD on the spell

[cobalt pelican]

but they '''fixed''' it

cause dhs were capping just from overwhelming power

[fleet anchor]

Still might be some AI brain issues

[cobalt pelican]

but it's likely the fix is just bandaid

[scarlet sequoia]

u cant say "bote is more comfortable"

[shy dust]

If you were over 100% haste consistently

It would start canceling its own casts

[cobalt pelican]

wcl being down after a raid is weird

what do i even do

[shy dust]

I remember them putting in patch notes that they fixed it

[outer moon]

Can corruptions alone really be the delta between a 40 parse and a 95 parse, in ilvl group?

[scarlet sequoia]

no

unless ure playing 0 corruption

[cobalt pelican]

ilvl group the poopoo

i think bote is only really required for me on skitra timing wise now after tonight idk

i was expecting shadhar to be closer to 3min than it was with vendor but

it wasn't

[outer moon]

Hmm. I was looking at someone who parsed 95 on ShadHar with the same traits, same essences, and nearly the same stats, just had better corruption. Our damage breakdown was almost identical, just, his fight was 60 seconds shorter. I know that time plays a big factor as well, but, that seems like a huge fucking gap.

[cobalt pelican]

and i play it on vex and hivemind anyways

[shy dust]

I doubt it would be the difference between a 40 and a 95

Kill timers will effect your dps because a 40 is more than likely you making mistakes

[tropic ocean]

1min fight timer wont change a parse from 40 to 95

unless u are dead

for the last minute

😄

[last crown]

galecallers still simming super well...

i fucking hate that trinket

[autumn girder]

Guardian is a thing now?

[outer moon]

Nah. The fight got weird in the last 30 seconds because someone dropped a miasma in the group at like 12%.

[cobalt pelican]

guardian has been a thing all tier

depending on your gear

for me it's always just been +/- a tiny margin from bote so

[white igloo]

What stats should I be stacking for a single target build with triple vendetta?

We are starting mythic raden tonight and I’m trying to put something together.

[lean marten]

whatever sims the highest

[white igloo]

Ok but in general... haste crit?

[shy dust]

Whichever sims highest

Giving predetermined stats won’t help

When it’s your given character

And there’s a program that can tell you what to enchant and gem.

[white igloo]

Ok thanks

[fleet anchor]

Can corruptions alone really be the delta between a 40 parse and a 95 parse, in ilvl group?"
I mean depends on the corruptions

Outlaw player in our raid this week had a 96% parse on Ra-den that if you took all his TA damage out, he would have been below the tanks

It was 40% of his damage

So probably? 😛

[outer moon]

The dude had 4mil more damage on his IS than I did. I recently got rid of IS anyway, but, that was the only glaring difference.

His IS was 5.5mil, mine was like 1.2mil.

[fleet anchor]

Like if you are heavily invested in IS or TA it can definitely easily be +-20% damage

95 and 40% parse seems extreme though

[outer moon]

Holy shit.. Okay, so maybe I don't feel as bad? I did 74k on Shad and felt good about it, and then saw the parse and just like.. I guess I still suck? lol

[fleet anchor]

But probably really easy to be between 60s and 90s

Just based on terrible vs. godtier luck

If you are a tendie user

[high nacelle]

how much of a difference is iris minor on fights that aren't shadhar compared to how it sims?

[outer moon]

Hm. Also was running 3xDD 3X NP with VoP Major and didn't get a single VoP proc for extra damage, in a 4.5 minute fight. Feelsbad.

[dense blaze]

I cannot get expedient to overtake my severe/Appendage setup

[cobalt pelican]

if you're in a low ilvl bracket as a low playrate spec (assasination isn't super low, but it's not bm hunter or dh) 40th percentile to 95th percentile might not be all that many players

[outer moon]

It was about 2400 players, if my memory serves right

474 bracket

[surreal solar]

it took 2 expedients, but thats mostly because i was all tendies, and 1 severe

[last crown]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nrq2BL3TCxrYJA9jX5QdnZ

whys my sim so shit and how do i fix it

[dense blaze]

Be a higher iLevel

Get conflict and strife rank 3

[last crown]

no way in hell im doing C&S rank 3

[dense blaze]

That is probably why your DPS is low

[arctic harness]

Not really

[last crown]

C&S 3 isnt even showing up on my gear compare as a better potential option

and a 3-4 week timegate behind current-PVP sounds like waterboarding

[arctic harness]

How many SS do you run?

[last crown]

1, DD is simming ahead of it on helm

[dense blaze]

You don't know what you're missing without having C&S 3

[arctic harness]

If you want to play exsanguinate you want 3

And sim deeper strat

[sweet vessel]

woah your dps is so thrash but no idea why

[rocky ibex]

is master assasin the go to in ST nyalotha?

[dense blaze]

Seen a lot of hooligans doing subterfuge

[rocky ibex]

im running 34% haste, 33%, 25% crit

should i lower haste?

[last crown]

@sweet vessel right? my ilvl is bad but not atrocious - droptimizer suggests nothing even from mythic nya giving more than a 2-3% upgrade

[minor thicket]

SIM yourself

[sweet vessel]

but dont know why you're running so much double doses if u want to do a bleed build

[last crown]

thats what the sims suggested surprisingly

also i swapped from outlaw so options were limited

[arctic walrus]

You have not a single mythic piece, you're not willing to farm better simming essences, you're not well optimized for SS build yet you're running exsang, and you're simming no food/flask/bloodlust etc

[sweet vessel]

I dont know if all that full stack exp r3 and bleed is a meme build or not

[last crown]

@arctic walrus C&S3 is simming lower.

even below blood2

[arctic harness]

Too low on haste prob

[rocky ibex]

is ok to play DDx3 in raid?

[scarlet sequoia]

@sweet vessel not a meme

[outer moon]

I sim 3xDD 3x NP as top

82k is my sim, though.. Dunno what level you're looking at, corruptions and such.. Just gotta sim

[last crown]

interesting, it wants me to swap to SS and DS when i add raid buffs, but still has C&S3 as lower

[scarlet sequoia]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xghMx5aMrURKXGVCfMjN5s here u go should be the highest rn

[sweet vessel]

@sweet vessel not a meme
@scarlet sequoia I trully need a tldr on that build I have so many questions

[scarlet sequoia]

ye everyone does but just ask ppl will answer

[dreamy cypress]

also probably start with the pin

[tropic ocean]

@high nacelle comes down to how you play

u can keep iris minor with target switching as well if u do it properly

[dreamy cypress]

not trying to flame it just talks a bit about dd w/ exsang

[tropic ocean]

but for target switching cns is usually better

[outer moon]

71% haste hoooly shit

[tropic ocean]

@scarlet sequoia now see arms simming +6k with 33 corruption

[high nacelle]

@tropic ocean thanks, I'll give both a whirl on some reclears

[tropic ocean]

🤡

[scarlet sequoia]

ye fuck arms

gonna be fun seeing bm hunter sims when severe 3 is on vendor

[tropic ocean]

i think arms will outscale bm though

[scarlet sequoia]

doubt

[tropic ocean]

like bm already has super high uptime with the crit

not much more space to push it

[scarlet sequoia]

hm ye mby

[tropic ocean]

while arms can just scale mastery as well

with passive deep wounds

😄

[sweet vessel]

But how does exsang build feels to play ? Better in long or short fights ? Is it fun ?

[tropic ocean]

for me way better

and also superior on cleave fights

its a very feel thing but for me it feels good shitting on firemages in burst

[dreamy cypress]

the burst is fun for sure

[tropic ocean]

at least for a few secs of the fight on top

in reclear today I could cd on psychus

26mil

[crimson palm]

26 mil ? KEK

[sweet vessel]

And the burst is like every minute or so ? Do you get to choose the burst window or you have to wait for procs ?

[crimson palm]

we had a wipe yesterday on 10% where i had 35 milz on him

easily world #1 log

😄

[sweet vessel]

Btw if there's a youtube video or whatever cause I can't find any

[tropic ocean]

@crimson palm yeah it was first time cding on psychus so

wasted 5 sec of vendetta

and still running 2x tents cuz not enough expedients yet

but eventually will get there 😄

[crimson palm]

trick is to delay the exsang as much as possible

and use it at 8 stacks

[tropic ocean]

we kill him with 7 stacks

sadly

[crimson palm]

ah

ppl are just assigned not to touch him at all

and we get 8 quite fast

[tropic ocean]

@sweet vessel with exsang u burst every 45 sec

and hard burst every 2 min

[lone charm]

Anyone know what dh stack for corruption their discord is dead xD

[tropic ocean]

in raid?

[dreamy cypress]

tentacle can be pretty troll on psychus

[lone charm]

raid

[tropic ocean]

infinite stars on st

[dreamy cypress]

had a pull where it did 13 mil

[tropic ocean]

rest probably vers % crit % or tents

or crit dmg just sim

I used 3x expedient today in raid or 4x? cant remember but

it was bad 😄

so def not expedient on dh

[modern bear]

dh?

dh has max haste

lel

with eye beam

and proper traits