U need a perfect set of traits for assa m+
#assassination
modern bear
royal lantern
good thing that dmg is not a problem with good m+ groups
royal lantern
in really high keys its ALL about utility/survivalbility
mossy valve
Do they want expedient?
modern bear
Lol no
Tryan
If the damage isnr there tho
..
And outlaw does do more dmg in aoe
Lets say max assa aoe vs max outlaw aoe
rose sapphire
Guys if we stack exp, dont we want something more like 1 severe or rushing?
royal lantern
i didnt say "lel you dont need too do dmg"
gray abyss
but assassination has better single target+
gray abyss
or does it have better ST when you use echoing and SS than outlaw?
modern bear
But in dung ur still specced to aoe
gray abyss
because outlaw traits are same for both aoe and st isnt it?
gray abyss
ye, thats what i mean 😒
gray abyss
i wish sub was good 😒
modern bear
Even run flames or whirl instead of overwhelming
royal lantern
you dont even run 15-20 haste in m+
you run no haste at all if possible and just go crit/mastery heavy
modern bear
U do need a bit
Or the bosses will be shit
And a bit cant hurt ur aoe
Im using crit versa everything
And one haste mastery ring
royal lantern
your st suffers because of traits/trinkets that are more aoe focused
wich is the main problem with sin m+, you more or less force yourself into 1thing for the entire run(more aoe, maybe more st focused etc....)
meanwhile other specs can just do both without losing the other side(dh/bm/yahtzee pirate)
modern bear
Yeaah indeed
prime void
The main problem with sin is we dont have gouge and vanish defensively
outer hare
Anyone else feels like they're doing trash damage in raid unless you go r7+ mind flay?
prime void
No
modern bear
Nope
outer hare
anyone got 100k+ logs without mind flay?
modern bear
Doing like 70-100k dps in most fights
crimson palm
solemn frigate
Expedient why is that a good thing to stack now over gushing wound nerf?
prime void
Because it does more damage
solemn frigate
bleed tics faster and stuff? only reason
outer hare
@prime void you're being cocky for no reason. legit all top logs on almost all fights are with mind flays/infinite stars/gushing
royal lantern
because
IS/tentacles
are
FKING RNG CORRUPTIONS THAT CAN DO HIGH DMG WITH LUCK
jesus
royal lantern
if you want too sometimes get 0 value out of your corruptions cus rng is not on your side, stack IS/tentacles
prime void
Yeah you’re still blind
outer hare
Had fights where they didn't proc at all.
crimson palm
Oh lord
prime void
🙂
outer hare
Let's have a chat, not saying things about each other.
What is this exsanguinate build I heard of?
stacking expedient?
prime void
😔 you obviously know how to look at logs- so why ask the dumb question?
You have the knowledge and the references
Put them together
royal lantern
dont even ened exsanguinate for it
just stack expedient
cus we scale really good with haste
outer hare
I see people stacking mastery aswell
playing around dots.
Is gushing affected by our mastery?
unkempt karma
double carapace weapons now, from hc. and two mythic wraith outlaw swords.
What to do xD Swords I can add any corrupt from vendor haha
outer hare
you should definetely not add corruption to swords @unkempt karma farm unguent caress.
unkempt karma
I got two from hc as well
upper elm
I've got one expedient already and Im thinking of buying another one
static glacier
boys, what's the play when it comes to azerite vendor stuff
Do I pray for EB traits, pray for ST upgrades or save
rose sapphire
im just curious what we gonna do more than the exp stack
rose sapphire
Severe is a good idea
prime void
@static glacier depends on what content you do
strange python
are the mechagon rings bis even if they are 465? id put expedient and a socket on it if yes or would u say 475 will be better at the end?
rose sapphire
I mean 475 or 465 on rings are such a small difference tbh
topaz valley
Attacking from behind being the better one to proc the haste?
cobalt pelican
yes
late iron
how much haste do yall think is the sweetspot in raids? raidbots keeps getting rid of my haste for vers & mastery
fleet whale
there really isn't a sweetspot for any stat
late iron
So i am hesitant to pick up an expedient based on that
fleet whale
expedient is still gonna be really good regardless of where haste ranks
glacial steppe
I can finally play my mechagon set. Big fat 320 extra haste
Nzoth is going to die soon aswell so cara chest and dagger arent too far away
lime edge
prime void
2s
rose sapphire
Cara chest sims -30 dps than Vexi for me
cobalt pelican
on heroic or
cobalt pelican
yeah, carapace chest for tb build is kinda butt
it's prolly still better, dropping op for ele whirl is a real world upgrade and the stamina counts for something
glacial steppe
yeah
midnight heron
hey guys im new here, can someone help me? i feel like i should be doing more dps https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pfnwxpm812M115AeEm2GGq
topaz valley
What do you guys think about using Galecaller's Boom with all these Expedients ?
balmy condor
need more corruption, and need to catch up on the claok
galecallers is good for the snapshot but not much else
oh also, you should try and see if subt is better for you pilhas
subt is scaling better nowadays
midnight heron
ok ty mate
plain thistle
a example of exg with only 1 SS > https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8fYVyxQKmYXNL4CDeibwtW
just need daggers mythic to sim 100k I think
balmy condor
yeah galecaller is strong but it's also lowkey sim bait
hushed lion
its so shit to use
midnight heron
i noticed that what about remote guidance device is it better?
midnight heron
what trinket you think i should farm?
plain thistle
yeah, not changing today, playing with 3 SS for now
midnight heron
got it ty so much
rancid bobcat
galecallers is just for the exsang snapshot
tired nebula
https://raider.io/characters/eu/eredar/Milchschnitt
hey guys, i wanna play my assa rogue more in raids and mythic raids.
which build should i use ? tentacles, haste stack, 3 times nothing personal ? which do you prefer ?
inner wedge
what is SS and DD:)?
strange python
shrouded suffocation and double dose
lone junco
garrote traits and mutlitate trate
inner wedge
thnx
tired nebula
2x dd, and ss once?
inner wedge
are inf stars viable?
balmy condor
^
tropic ocean
rest, not so
balmy condor
It’s rng simbait garbage
But if you have 1 target
And ONLY 1 target
For the entire fight
Then it’s good
tropic ocean
the variance is still very high
fleet whale
as fights get shorter
tropic ocean
Sometimes 10%
fleet whale
it gets even more annoying
balmy condor
Also true
tropic ocean
Sometimes 30%
fleet whale
can also kill you on Maut
balmy condor
That’s the healers problem 
fleet whale
but if i'm able to farm for another expedient i'm cleansing my ring with IS 2 and using my belt with Racing Pulse three instead, and my corruption will be even
i don't care if i lose sim dps
inner wedge
ok, how about amount of corruption 39 vs 45 vs 59?
inner wedge
I know, how does those play out? is it ok to go a little over 39? is 59 possible or way too risky?
eager delta
under 40 for m+/pvp, under 60 for raiding
eager delta
^
balmy condor
If you stay under 60, the delusion damage is whatever honestly
If you’re getting hit by a mechanic and a delusion at the same time you already fucked up
shut pollen
actually what is the high end build for ass? I see people stacking dd others ss with exs and subterfuge others with master ass and toxic blade. People stack crit others stack haste I'm really quite confused atm
eager delta
high haste, exsang, triple ss with deeper strat
fleet whale
It's pretty much personal preference or whatever gear you have
shut pollen
i used to sym my chat all the time and raidbots always puts exs and ss behind by far. Maybe the opening they use to sym is wrong
fleet whale
crit is still good for raid too
balmy condor
Yeah but crit stacking
shut pollen
y I'm talking about raids
balmy condor
Is a no no
shut pollen
m plus I always play outlaw
eager delta
balmy condor
The APL is fine
Subt is better for 90% of people
Just because of how it works
Regardless of build
shut pollen
y for soem reason sometime it simms better even without any ss trait
fleet whale
because the increased garrote damage
fleet whale
but even still, if you aren't running SS/exsang
you can probably still run MA even if it sims lower cause it's just whatever
shut pollen
nah I hate that
it forces me to synch vanish with vendetta
and I love vision of perf minor
eager delta
lol
fleet whale
You have a lot of options as assassination
eager delta
depends on the fight, and if your still using coral or not imo
hushed lion
you can run MA since you dont really rely on bleed damage
most damage will be from DD
balmy condor
Ye
shut pollen
y I am but it hurts your first burst window a bit. Better overall damage though.
balmy condor
Gushing will still be viable
frigid briar
In high gear with DD build subterfuge just becomes 500dps approx better on ST and more on multi target.
balmy condor
But it won’t be mega pog
frigid briar
Same with exsanguinate, im sure it just becomes better than TB even with no SS eventually
balmy condor
Exped3 will probably just be straight better
woven prairie
What corruption combo do ya'll think is going to be the best for raids/st now that u can "choose"?
frigid briar
Expedient mostly, racing pulse then gushing wounds on mabey 2 high itemlvls is how I guess it will play out at the end but still seems a bit unknown yet
woven prairie
All the top end ranks are like 150corruption mind flays tho😜
shut pollen
hey infexious loved your "scripted weauauras"
balmy condor
thats cause "top parses" are all pad rng garbage
shut pollen
great content
woven prairie
Cant top without godlike RNG anyways
frigid briar
Parses mean nothing this tier, any top log not playing bleed build will most likely have insane RNG on tendies or IS
woven prairie
But yea I guess few gushing and exped 3
balmy condor
mind flay is omega rng
untold stream
I'm currently playing with 3 rank 2 Twisted Appendage and 1 Severe rank 2, never got anything better, like Expedient nor any other Severe. Do you think I should start stacking Expedient in order to clean my stuff ?
shut pollen
y hopefully shadowlands will be less rng I mean in some fights against the same boss my dps varies by 15k sometime just for tent procs
woven prairie
GL 150k ST dps without goos rng:p
shut pollen
5k echoes for tier 3 expedient is quite good u shpuld buy at least 1 and keep in for future usage
frigid briar
Buy 5 of them lol
woven prairie
Haste ALL the way with exsang build? whats the secondary stats after haste?
balmy condor
crit>mast
shut pollen
someone knows how much will gushing wound cost?
frigid briar
All stats for me are super close for exsanguinate, but haste mastery is the main 2 to focus on to start I think
hushed lion
no we dont know yet
uneven aspen
probably something like 4k I assume
woven prairie
Aight haste > crit > mastery, and there's really no point where haste gets overtaken i assume?
shut pollen
secondary stats change based on how much u have of each one of them
hushed lion
never. not after the nerf
frigid briar
Ive got 52% haste base, 35% crit and 40% mastery. Exsanguinate triple SS and all stats for me are 10.0-10.3
arctic walrus
how much exp you got
frigid briar
Rank 9 but like 700 away from another rank 3
woven prairie
@frigid briar can link ur toon?
frigid briar
Ive got a sim for 3 mins earlier if you want that
woven prairie
Sure suee
frigid briar
Probably better toons to look at than mines though
woven prairie
Easier to look for urself than listen to descriptions haha
shut pollen
so you are straight out stacking haste. 0 appendages 0 infinite stars ?
woven prairie
Havent played serious since pandaland so ye:p
frigid briar
I have 1 tenticle just now
shut pollen
and the plummage is better than the razor coral?
frigid briar
Corals trash unless you get 2nd vendetta with coral. Thats a 3 min sim
Also dont feel coral suits alot of fights.
woven prairie
Aye.. whats the 2 best trinket options? Assuming u do get a second vendetta?
echo mantle
So is Double Dose kinda bland now? I simmed myself and I was quite surprised that they moved all my double dose off lol
strange python
2 weeks i'll run expd 4 + mind flay 4
scarlet sequoia
raz
woven prairie
How did u farm that much echoes already?😅 I had all essences and 0 echoes R.I.P
warm parcel
woven prairie
Working all day! Both today and tomorrow... are u farming from m+?
arctic walrus
nah arenas way more efficient
hoary acorn
i need farm expedients xd
frigid briar
We chill farmed at 1800 mmr and was getting from 70 to 120 a win
No idea how it works
hoary acorn
for exsanginate build need Mastery? or only haste full?
simple rivet
anyone sim a BIS setup with corruptions?
woven prairie
Guess it's time for arena when I get home then😅 at like 1950 mmr
glacial steppe
https://i.imgur.com/ZzMkKbU.png fucking rip
static glacier
honestly, just use it for this week?
glacial steppe
nah, have expedient t3 on my boots
static glacier
pog
hoary acorn
what's the opener with exsasnguinate build??
scarlet sequoia
g r g (clf) v m r exsang (blood)
hoary acorn
thx @scarlet sequoia ❤️
cobalt pelican
attempt to prepull clf, miss and start not in stealth, stand afk for 5 seconds
and then vanish garrote
this is my highly theorycrafted best opener
primal turret
Im checking logs and with the Exsanguinate build no one is usin razol coral, why is this? Im my stat weights crit is almost like haste
surreal solar
expedient pushes other trinkets above coral, which can easily be compensated with a few good sized amounts of crit
harsh sphinx
did you do like 15+ visions raz?
fast fog
How big of a noob trap is Void Ritual 3 even with others running it?
halcyon zealot
what trinks do you all use in visions? Ive been using Remote Guidance and the PVP badge almost all patch, kinda wanna switch it up
& i have access to most viable trinkets
ember mural
is it worth holding vanish on m raden to subterfuge garrote the 2 adds+raden?
loud silo
considering they need to die i'd say so
manic harness
Definitely worth
balmy condor
@halcyon zealot I've been running spyglass and vita
just cause I'm lazy and don't like pressing buttons :)
leaden garden
I read a lot about exang build today, is tb not viable anylonger?
shut pollen
@scarlet sequoia clf stands for?
untold current
How do you pre-pull with CLF?
woven prairie
Condensed Life-Force
stray folio
so whats best way to farm echoes? arena or m+?
fleet whale
TB is still viable
echo cargo
plain thistle
14 tries and no carapace mythic dagger.. fuck me i guess 
glacial steppe
im so hyped for reclear
civic forge
so is it a bug that garrote doesn't count as an ability for the logic loop set bonus?
fast fog
So here's where I'm at after simming everything I have, not super interested in going Exsang build (simmed it and it's only a 2k increase with this setup) are there any obvious issues with this or anyone able to provide tips on what I can do to squeeze out more dps?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nukxDRJSSS3vEgJBWXMbra
prisma coral
Stupid question so please pardon me. I notice a lot of people go SS, what is the primary benefit over DD? I can't seem to get SS to sim better, and would almost prefer it I think
civic forge
well i got a 475 ring of the 3 spell ring out of my box
cobalt pelican
if you're not planning on changing talents there's very little reason to be playing shrouded tbh hafgrimr
465 from behind ring is pretty much better always
afaik the workings of the 3 spell ring is that mutilate just doesn't count as an ability at all, which makes it pretty hard to proc rotationally
civic forge
wtf
cobalt pelican
so you have to start doing jank shit like kick/tricks
civic forge
why
cobalt pelican
and even then it's like 70% uptime
compared to from behinds 100%
idk because the blizard of oz or something
toxic remnant
what talents and essences do you guys use for clearing visions?
cobalt pelican
normal talents with leeching poison
prisma coral
leeching so really good there
toxic remnant
so 2211221?
toxic remnant
what essences did you use?
prisma coral
BOTE > Lucid > iris > BotD
cobalt pelican
you can kinda play anything if you're up to date on cl;oak though
just take your raid build put some shrouded on take leeching poison and go slow and steady and you'll be fine
prisma coral
leeching gave me the extra tankiness to chill a bit on the runs
fast fog
@cobalt pelican I'm not sure I understand the talent comment. Might be going over my head.
cobalt pelican
you kinda have half of the exsang build but not really like
your gear is definitely more suited to a double dose tb build
so i'm nots ure why you put shrouded on everything
unless it's intended to be a dungeon set
like hmm, https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2VUYUfrPhc3zgTGXmLh4W should give you a pretty good indicator of where the 2 builds sit right
spark rampart
the expedient 3 worth it?
fast fog
It is mostly a dungeon set, I haven't seen much of the inside of Nya or any other raid this expac. That's funny I had just run for DD and thats similar to what I ended up with. Appreciate the input./
cobalt pelican
if you're planning on using the gear for dungeons probably avoid simming stpatchwerk as it's usually used for raid only
spark rampart
fairy
cobalt pelican
the top set and the -535 set on the sim i linked are a pretty good basis for either sticking to tb, or moving over to exsang for raid but for dungeons you're likely going to want to hard commit to 3shrouded
spark rampart
expedient 3 worth for sin?
cobalt pelican
yes
cobalt pelican
buy as much as you can probably unless you have some other plan in mind
solar flicker
considering everyone is buying 50
How much longer will exp be in the vendor? Changes 2x a week right?
cobalt pelican
when the minor assault changes
so friday or saturday depending on what continent you're on
rancid bobcat
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
sinful shell
dapper solar
Should i stack many 12% haste since i can buy them here is my sim. Also i am hearing talks of using exsanguinate with many 12% haste's is this smart what are the top assassination rogues doing rn? what corruptions do i buy? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mDt5BMCBvPDbn4CrwgWcuc
rancid bobcat
ok here we go
ive literally never hit exsang since uldir and it's time for ilgy farm
dapper solar
what does SS and DD stand for?
dapper solar
ty
crisp hazel
is there a post somewhere that tells me how to progress my rogue and stuff?
balmy condor
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
crisp hazel
thanks
balmy condor
very spicy
crisp hazel
my rogue is level 10 lol im new to the game
balmy condor
oh
well then those won't help you
game doesn't really start until 120
just enjoy your time leveling
hit whatever buttons feel good
crisp hazel
ok thanks
fleet whale
while leveling though i highly recommend going either sub or outlaw
crisp hazel
just one question is assassination rogue gonna be good
fleet whale
it's just way way more efficient
balmy condor
yeah that's true
spec balance changes constantly
unless you're trying to push high end content, play what makes you happy
crisp hazel
ok ill try one of those
balmy condor
you can worry about maxing your damage later
balmy condor
how the heck did you manage that
crisp hazel
what is that? lol
balmy condor
its a macro that changes his keybind between 2 skills on the same talent row
but he fucked it up
rancid bobcat
my opener 
balmy condor
and now its spamming his chat
woeful minnow
I'm sure that turned out to be a great parse
balmy condor
what boss?
arctic walrus
I wonder what boss you dispell on
balmy condor
you act like I play healer
I know maut is dispell boy
but idk
maybe there's other dispells
rancid bobcat
where tf do you press clf in the opener
junior flume
Ilgy most likely
arctic walrus
before vend
balmy condor
gar rup gar clf vend
arctic walrus
or prepull if you're spicy
strange python
I just got a real dagger and trinket im so happy
Replaced a fucking gladiator trink with the 460 vita trink from ra den
balmy condor
ashen magnet
hey
is there 2 much haste with exsang build?
or can u stack it infinite
btw isnt a stat balancing better mb some honored mind etc or just go full exp r3?
rancid bobcat
did some sims and the proc corruptions dont seem to be better
at the top end you will get some more crit but not for a while
unborn root
do we have any idea how long until expedient 3 cycles into the shop again?
Because my monkey brain really wants to buy tendie 3
indigo elk
buy what you like!
ashen magnet
dont buy r3 tentacles its so rnd u want have fun with it
better go for stats corr its consistant
and u can save for a 485 Is3 mb
but just my guessing when gw gets nerfed
light pebble
So the crafted gear can be Corrupted next hotfix. Any of them worth taking over any raid pieces?
peak jungle
In the pins I see "Expedient is probably the best thing to stack after the GW nerf" - has herodamage or anywhere equivalent updated their info to compensate for the incoming nerf? hoping to compare with 5-6 stacks of each
unborn root
You're better off doing a nightly sim atm
peak jungle
Thanks
fathom flax
Why does simc say haste is my weakest stat but to stack exp?
Is there going to be DR on haste? Do we get to a certain % and get severe?
Or just 9x exp 3
arctic walrus
well stacking expedient makes haste a better stat for you
balmy condor
^
arctic walrus
and dont bother looking at stat weights
balmy condor
keep stacking exped3
fathom flax
I think I just realised because I have a couple severe it would over value crit for me
Ok so realistically 9x exp 3
balmy condor
maybe not 9x
fathom flax
So you can be done with echoes after you get 45k haha
fathom flax
Maybe 7 and 2 tentys from daggers
balmy condor
fk tentacles
steel wagon
ill legit pay someone 200k on BH to fix my simcraft for me, i cant get over 87k with this new build lol
fathom flax
That’s what she said
arctic walrus
down the line you would cleanse daggers
balmy condor
^
sharp thicket
Yo. Tryin to get a sin spec goin again. Is there an updated guide? ravenholdt/wowhead seems dated? Also, I see in pins that expedient is the corr to go for, while sims tell me to stack crit as a stat. Does that make sense?
arctic walrus
scroll up like 5 messages to see why you stack exp regardless of stat weight
and rh and icy veins are most updated
sharp thicket
Oh lol my bad, that was posted just as i was running the sim.
tropic charm
Should I save an expedient and get it to R11 when I can get more corruption resistance, or replace one of my 445 items with expedient to a 475?
obsidian sable
So which secondary stat besides haste do we chase with this expedient/e exsanguinate build? Crit or mastery? Or does it even matter?
Since crafted gear is becoming corruptable
steel wagon
anyone wanna help me get over 90 and under 40 with this? ill legit give 200k on bleeding hollow horde to whoever can get it the highest lol
is the best ive gotten
oh shit i should restore my 465 feather
unborn root
RIght now you can run 6 expedients
or 1 r3 tendie, one r2 tendie, and 1 r3 expedient
and the expedients pull slightly ahead, but the tendie build can highroll
steel wagon
yeah but the inconstancy for n'zoth is super annoying pull to pull
steel wagon
same
unborn root
like i would totally do 2 r2 tendies, and then fill the rest with expedients
steel wagon
would be so juicy
steel wagon
im getting 2 more expedients tomorrow
unborn root
like i hate this vendor so much
steel wagon
what you dont like the people who have 20k stockpiled
unborn root
if r3 tendie wasnt limited time only
steel wagon
cause they didnt get all their essences
unborn root
all the straight dps classes were fucked anyway
steel wagon
ye
unborn root
idk they should've reset the currency
my current dilemma is
there's no telling when r3 tendie will come again, and no telling when expedient will come again
expedient should cycle out slightly faster than tendies
rancid bobcat
tentacle sucks anyway
unborn root
I get cock slapped by the tendie stacker on my team
rancid bobcat
and you don't need that many expedients to start using exsag
unborn root
and, while top logs arent really a fair assessment of performance, almost all of them are running tendie at at least 4
steel wagon
its fun thoooo
unless you go an entire mythic raden kill without it proccing once
then that isnt fun
alpine oxide
We sitll stack mast/haste with expedient?
steel wagon
haste/crit i think
balmy condor
haste/crit
unborn root
I prefer tb to exsang because it's brainless
but even with TB, haste should still pull ahead
unborn root
exsang builds wont show up in logs for a while
people need to actually farm enough expedient pieces first
quasi pewter
what
arctic walrus
expedient wasn't available in the game until vendor came out duh
last gyro
how ist the rota with exa couldn't find anything ? is it stealt->g1->r1->g2 into muti 6combo points rupture and exa ?
quasi pewter
openers are in the guide
last gyro
thank you didn't see that :D
quasi pewter
essences arent included
with blood you use it after exsang
clf either prepull or before vendetta
proud salmon
can someone else verify this exsang build thing being better?
quasi pewter
blood or clf both work well
clf sims better but blood ends up working better on alot of fights because of killtimers
steep obsidian
i got socketed carapace boots with a shitty corruption cleansed em a few weeks ago now i cant put a good corruption on them
i hope they fix that
arctic walrus
arctic walrus
strange python
Why do you have quick navigation on MH?
balmy condor
thats not the same sim my dude
steel wagon
the 38 sim on his list
steel wagon
literally right clicked ran quick sim from your link and it gives me the same 893xx sim
rancid obsidian
When will the corruption offers change?
main forge
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
loud silo
does anyone know if cleansing a boe binds it to you? guildie wants to put expedient on some boots for me
tacit knoll
loud silo
ah rip
sly fern
Corrupting an item binds it
@balmy condor Does they fix that? I saw video recently when one person corrupted BoE item and trade it to another
@loud silo It's still soulbound, but you can trade it anyway if you was in raid when that BoE drops.
loud silo
i got it like a month and a bit ago :/
couldnt sell it before it dropped like 450k in value
shy dust
Do I risk doing so for a ban Vel 🤔
arctic walrus
yeah then you wont have a reason to not play wz
shy dust
balmy condor
Pretty sure they fixed it
sick scarab
super noob question.. it is good to go masterfull navigation on main hand ? sims say so... but dunno
balmy condor
Let me see if I can find a post about it
Crit/haste
But all in all shouldn’t make too much difference
rancid bobcat
sick scarab
it is matter or i can stay quikc on main and deadly on off hand ?
rancid bobcat
AAA I WANT MY CARA DAGGERLSDKFGHJSLDFJSD
balmy condor
Doesn’t matter
sick scarab
ah oko tnx
fallow otter
mossy valve
So looking at pins
I see the m+ stuff, but I don’t have an echoing build I just have ss, has anyone tried the haste build with ss?
rancid bobcat
haste is not for m+
mossy valve
I was asking cause in the pin it said it could be good. I know in general that’s the case
rancid bobcat
hmm do i save an expedient for a chance to use on carapace dagger
Man haste build is fun though
Can't wait to play it on farm
scarlet sequoia
funny how u all just get to play it now
been playing this since before echoing void nerf
thin gate
well i played in m+ 3 x echo blades with master assassin master poisoner and blood of the enemy + tier 4 twilight and poison bomb
yo guys
mindflay tier 1 stack > gushing wound after nerf?
scarlet sequoia
no it does not
scarlet sequoia
mindflay is the same damage per corruption
also it’s mega rng and 90 max corruption if u do that
thin gate
wowhead says 6702 dps for 66 corruption right
sullen pagoda
i just checked hero damage to be sure theres only info about scaling per ilvl not tier
idk where u got that from
thin gate
but i mean
if u have many tier 1s
they should proc more often
or not
i mean like less rng then or not
scarlet sequoia
no
sullen pagoda
no damage just adds up
sullen pagoda
pretty sure all damage corruptions are like that
or you would see people stacking lvl 1 infinite stars lmao
thin gate
aye aye
i see the point
but what are atm the bis corruptions
for blood build rogue
single target
i bought haste 12% yday
sullen pagoda
just go full haste yolo
thin gate
rly
with racing pulse ?
im at a point where my wrathion trinket sims better than raden
lol
sullen pagoda
no with expedient
thin gate
i got yday racing pulse 470 from 5 mask run
so i put it in also
if i go full haste
should i go carapace daggers
i mean like do i need the mindflay
on full haste
1-2 times?
or just flat stats
thin gate
ok
scarlet sequoia
ok
thin gate
tyvm
scarlet sequoia
np
wicked sequoia
We should be going crit for M+ and not haste?
royal lantern
haste in m+ is close too worthless
upper elm
I just woke up, gonna sim everything about exp build
royal lantern
crit/mastery is your aim there
thin gate
@wicked sequoia i went the build up there
wicked sequoia
Fuck...
royal lantern
dont
thin gate
and 2nd ring dark heart
thin gate
in big pulls u have big dick dps
wicked sequoia
i'm triple SS with Haste atm
royal lantern
then you play outlaw or fire if you care about that lol
royal lantern
3x SS is a 100% musthave, other 3 traits deepens on the dungeon and week
if you go 3x EB in workshop/kr tyran i dont want you in my groups lol
quasi pewter
haste is also not close to worthless btw
wicked sequoia
EB, HoD and ToTK are my other 3 i believe (i can't remember which)
thin gate
essences major boe minor conflict lucid dreams breath?
royal lantern
@quasi pewter haste loses much value too other stats in aoe because other stats tend too scale better in aoe situation
wicked sequoia
I think i have some crit gear in my bags i saved, i'll switch to that and see how i perform in M+'s this week
royal lantern
better:?
quasi pewter
yes
shut yacht
Do you guys think it's worth using Strikethrough corruption on m+ (running 2 SS, 2 EB and 2 TTK atm)?
quasi pewter
strikethrough is decent
shut yacht
So decent in the way that you can have it but don't miss on other corruptions (masterful/severe) for that right?
thin gate
guys now what about the haste stack
haste stack > gushing wound?
after gw nerf
or can u put in 1-2 gw
shut yacht
yeee, just simming for aoe is tricky on me cause dngslice is bad and I'm not very confident on setting the encounter on simbots for that xD
quasi pewter
for raiding definitely yes
thin gate
and what about the vop 3 x np build if u haste stack can u put in the weapon enhancement for 15 sec 15% increased auto attack
bcs of the vendetta procs
shut yacht
also, thought of striketrhough cause I run base 40% crit on that gear set
quasi pewter
you can do 5-8 target 40 sec sims for assa
boreal maple
nah ryluk
quasi pewter
something like that
boreal maple
faster auto attacks dosnt make u proc VoP more
shut yacht
@quasi pewter thanks mate
rain inlet
Guys, just curious.. Does increasing my Crit% also increase the Crit% of Twisted Appendages?
rain inlet
Oooo okay okay, thanks 🙂
thin gate
twilight also profits from versa
look at all those dh mofos
stacking versa with raden weapons
and twilight
doing nothing pushing like 300k aoe dps
lol
rain inlet
Lol yea, just spamming 3 skills
rain inlet
Then what does Garrote dmg scale on?
thin gate
ss has a (Worth of versatility) scaling
the trait itself deals more damage if u have versa
like 1000 versa = 1000 ss damage extra
boreal maple
thin gate
but garrote itself counts as bleeding so also mastery scaling
crimson palm
so what you are saying is that versatility is a stat that increases your damage?
like flat out?
quasi pewter
rain inlet
Oh wow.. because I see top sins doing like 160-180k Garrotes with 3x SS
That's sick man
wicked sequoia
I feel like a right donut - so all this time i've been stacking haste i should of been stacking Crit and Mastery for M+'s -.-
glacial jasper
Errr
thin gate
the question is should we all stack masterful with vop np build lel
and hope for procs
wicked sequoia
What corruptions are people running in M+'s then?
Before i blow everything on Exp
scarlet sequoia
the best ones
thin gate
i think twilight is still best imo
but dependign on week
idk if twilight is worth it on tyrannical weeks
u lose some boss dps
wicked sequoia
Right, so stack Crit/Mast then go TD?
wicked sequoia
That corruption is dumb that's why
thin gate
but i think flat stats may be better for several weeks
wicked sequoia
Ty for the info! I'll get some gear together and sim and see what works best
true kindle
from what i read infinite star isnt the best effect although it sims for most dmg?
thin gate
u need the procs
true kindle
so it has the potential to pull ahead of other effects but also be worse?
thin gate
yep @true kindle
its nice if u want to push logs
if u get lucky there ur logs go
but if u got alot target changes
true kindle
so should i prefer different corrutions?
thin gate
its crap
for progress id say yes
i think flat stats is the best u can go for @ progress
true kindle
so pretty much get haste? 😛
also ive seen a lot of rogues use twisted appendage, should i try and get one ?
boreal maple
thats mainly because we get it easy from raid
true kindle
oh so it's just an added bonus
loud brook
I run crit and expedient corruptions
i've heard that exsanguinate has become a good alternative to go for if you have alot of haste mastery and corruptions to make it better
loud brook
understandable
true kindle
how much haste mastery would i need to switch to that build?
loud brook
all I remember was that there was a good amount of debate as to whether it was good or not
crimson palm
raz how much u simming atm?
loud brook
and most peeps were saying it was a 1-3% difference
thin gate
guys is garrote double dose better than garrote dark heart at some point?
crimson palm
it seems like 105k is the max with current corr resistance
thin gate
whats the best echoes source rn?
crimson palm
full exp or replacing the pulse?
wicked sequoia
Yeah i was thinking of just blasting M+ and Arena
true kindle
visions if you have stockpiled i would guess
crimson palm
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bSv6aS3UzapyaPY5cUNeba i sort of hit a brick at 103
scarlet sequoia
7x t3 expedient
loud brook
same. i've bricked myself at around 85-88k
scarlet sequoia
ah right thats with clf
crimson palm
guess 2xt3 would push out the pulse
scarlet sequoia
with blood yes with clf no
not for now tho, havent done any sims with complete gear
scarlet sequoia
will be later today then
quasi pewter
man i need to catch up in neck
i hate being 2k behind just because of that + gorak tuls
boreal maple
ap grind without ak 
rain inlet
Is blightborne infusion a must have?
royal lantern
almost like we are not supposed too reach lvl 1315153515 some day, and that 90 is more or less the hardcap
🤔
true kindle
what does the neck matter past 90? 😛
scarlet sequoia
500-600 dps per lvl
royal lantern
essence stuff gets somewhat stronger
true kindle
wait what, essences scale with neck lvl? xD
crimson palm
think should be more now with the more expedients
rain inlet
Neck level = Higher stats I guess?
crimson palm
i got 700 from 91->92
true kindle
holy shit i never read something like that xD
scarlet sequoia
dunno need 241k for 96 so takes a little
no time for wqs until i have the expedients anyways
crimson palm
do u have a shelter on each island 😄
prime quail
if i just do pvp and m+ with my assa should i buy up on some EXP III?
spark oyster
87 with breath
rain inlet
@crimson palm don't mind if I ask, but what are you stats man? That damage is something I wanna achieve haha
crimson palm
no clue
rain inlet
And once I get that? And my dps is only 86k? XD
prime quail
if you get that your dps is prolly 91k alone
thin gate
ok
prime quail
but m+ is the fastest i think if you have a stacked 5man
scarlet sequoia
arena is definitely fastest
pearl widget
Anyone have a good sin rogue weak aura bars?
boreal maple
both specs are close ot eachother
strange python
if deeper is simming better should i take it or isthere anything i have to be careful about?
scarlet sequoia
how much better is it simming
fresh flint
What would be our diserable corruption to aim for now that we can target them a bit better?:) ive been running some Twisted appendages and 1 expedient so far but it still feels i can dish out more
tropic ocean
for raid a lot of expedient
if you have access to the good things for exsang build
but probably even with dd build
for m+ severe and strikethrough most likely
fresh flint
Im running DD build ya, allthough i need to resim if i can make use of exsang already
tropic ocean
it also depends on a fight like if your exsang/ss build sims lower on patchwerk it most likely will be superior on fights like raden
drestagath
etc
due to multi target
fresh flint
would you say more then 1 expedient would be worth? it will probably push my statweights way off balance if i add another
scarlet sequoia
ye use it then
swift timber
73 corruption 
scarlet sequoia
u have enough haste easily
tropic ocean
expedient worth for sure
im using 3x atm
the interaction with exsang is just really strong
fresh flint
Im running around euh 30% without any procs so far
strange python
ok thank you
fresh flint
sjeez:o so we dont really wanna use dmging corruptions then and stack haste instead?
tropic ocean
I mean stat corruptions are damaging corruptions as well
you just don't see them in details
fresh flint
ye obviously ye i getyou
pearl widget
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shy axle
how can i "trick" raidbots to think equipment XY has exped3 on it while using topgear? WHich of the numbers do i have to change in the script?
pearl widget
@thin gate overall I think I'm probably the biggest fan of Afenar
strange python
@shy axle 6476 is exp3 bonus id
so you can take a /simc string and replace the corruption id with it, then just copy that line below your simc input to add it
with a # in front
last ingot
should i use twilight devastation for m+ or use the haste and crit corruptions?
upper elm
@crimson palm have you tried to put 1xinfinite stars r2 in there instead of racing and gushing
strange python
here's the other bonus id's to search for so you know what to replace
upper elm
is r2 should work really well on exp build i think
shy axle
thanks mate
strange python
you can also do a gear compare and copy the strings from the raw input (bottom) of the results page
probs easier
primal turret
Is this stat weights consistent with the exs build? shouldnt haste weight more than the other stats?
limber lion
Don't sim stat weights. It's terrible. Just sim top gear.
primal turret
Okey, top gear starts mixing haste and CS sockets so i suppose that they weight the same
does that make sense?
heavy forum
I sim stat weights just for know what food to use etc
crimson palm
you can sim your food
bold orchid
Is IS still known for simming much higher than it performs?
I have a r9 exped exsang build that falls short roughly 3k on sims to my stars build just curious if you guys think they’d be comparable or if the exped sang would be more consistant, thanks
dark crag
IS sims normal for st, once an add is involved it can lose value
north zinc
if other targets are involved this is where u go for another build
scarlet sequoia
still massively rng on single target
north zinc
but for fights like shadar lets say IS is very powerful
dark crag
Be like the wl in my raid and get 28 procs at xanesh mythic and most hit the boss
scarlet sequoia
sure but u can play gear with 0 rng