ANY TRUERS IN CHAT?
#assassination
shrewd night
shrewd copper
@lean marten with the Xang need to go on SS right ?
rotund oak
spoken like a true sin rogue lul
lean marten
and SS + HoD traits
shrewd copper
oh, my bad, got confused
strange python
how bout yall play rogue and not 1 spec
bleak spoke
tbh i'm a good boy though my boss damage parses are like significantly higher than my actual ones 
they let my dhs and hunters pad in my guild 
rotund oak
what a beast
boreal maple
impossible to be a good boi
lean marten
but how much proc corruptions 🤔
boreal maple
cant wait to remove my TA so the only proc rng ill ever play is infinite stars on like pure st RNG log
limber lion
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jpy6EknCCp9RyYXLVyENf5
Ugh, ss/exsang build only excels at 3mins or so. On 5mins I get this weird combination with TB and Deeper Strata. Ehhh what's up with that
bleak spoke
i mean you have a dd and an envenom trait
boreal maple
again its prob cos u have those low azerites
so exsang/ss wont pull ahead
untill u have those
bleak spoke
needs like raden helm gorak tul's vexi chest kinda
wild lion
imagine playing alliance in eu and trying to find a decent raiding guild
mellow pier
Is BB better than heart?
bleak spoke
it is for me
limber lion
Yeah. But it's such a weird combo. Like I've been running TB with Vigor all this time and suddenly Deeper Strara pulls ahead
bleak spoke
i have a strikethrough 2 in a slot with nothing else that's even close to decent atm
so ther'es that
mellow pier
But im not using coral so thats prob why
limber lion
Like I thought Deeper Strata goes hand in hand with Exsang and TB goes hand in Vigor. Deeper Strata just feels weird with TB
bleak spoke
not really like
mellow pier
Plume+GCB
limber lion
Sure, big Envenom crits with Bote + DS
bleak spoke
but it still does the damage
limber lion
Meh, I guess.
mellow pier
When u get more haste u dont need vigor
bleak spoke
yeah the damage just kinda sits in other parts of your rotation in a way
warm parcel
And DS also acts as a bigger buffer for mut crits
bleak spoke
oh weak we're 100% sure that we don't finish at 4 ever with deeper right
mellow pier
During hero with GCB and shit i overcap so fast lol
bleak spoke
or
bleak spoke
yeh
warm parcel
But its 99% vigors useless
As ex makes it all gcd locked
At the rank 21 or whatever 
distant lava
ye
bleak spoke
what the ackshual
distant lava
sims lower for raz I'm pretty sure
bleak spoke
man
warm parcel
Its useless too at higher ex ranks
bleak spoke
that's kinda nuts
boreal maple
with 90% uptime
distant lava
don't need energy refundi f you have 1000000 milion haste
mellow pier
Do u still use bote as our neck goes up?
bleak spoke
what's he play instead
mellow pier
CLF was simming higher for me
boreal maple
it was formless yea
bleak spoke
oh just more haste value innit
warm parcel
boreal maple
with 90% uptime
warm parcel
haste bois
bleak spoke
fast
mellow pier
So clf is better
loud brook
never thought i'd see the day
loud brook
speedy bois time
distant lava
clf or blood usually for major, just sim yourself
loud brook
^
mellow pier
Yeah it depends on neck level
distant lava
gonna become 7.3 feral
bleak spoke
random refunds are kinda
distant lava
just mash mutilate like a mong
loud brook
clf has higher overall but blood is more versatile
bleak spoke
man it just infuriates me that i can misplay and have it be better
because of lucid procs
mellow pier
Lots of the "top" logs have a lot of misplay
Just TA carried them lol
I have played like shit and done well then played close to perfect and get 2 procs in 8mins
warm parcel
I mean just look at me and flowi
Nearly identical gear, and arguably player level
Random 2m+ tentacle dmg on nozoth
=profit
bleak spoke
yeh idk i had some nice logs earlier in the tier that were just like if you looked at what i actually did it was like
is this guy actually playing the game
bleak spoke
or did he fall asleep in his chair hit his buttons with his face and get procs
mellow pier
Only other time I have felt logs have meant less or close to same as now was EN
With lego drops
arctic walrus
Fwowi could’ve done exponentially more damage @warm parcel
warm parcel
:DD
scarlet sequoia
get better gear
loud brook
I was very upset to go throug many of the sin top logs last night and just seeing they were all twisted appendage
at least the exsanguinate dudes tried something new
sonic rapids
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/g5jfVGGypqY5nKwGULaEd7 DS simming equal to vigor as crit TB build, is that new? never saw that
sick scarab
better gear ?
loud brook
honestly you just need more corruptions
and sockets, but that'll come with farming visions
boreal maple
seeing those mecha rings 
loud brook
also vers mas is discusteng try for crit haste
idk if that's actually the case with your weights though
mellow pier
Does anyone know if they fixed applying corruption to other pple gear
sick scarab
FFS i ahve tons of gear.. losing mind atm LOL
mellow pier
I know it was doable last night
slim lava
at what ilv my azerites should b to run ss?
balmy condor
not sure about that question, ss is BiS in m+
and for raids, kinda never until you get good enough gear to do exsang
slim lava
for st dmg
arctic walrus
Raden helm cara chest goraks
balmy condor
thats also not dependent on azerite level
thats just corruption/gear
it scales harder, so you need to pump up that haste
slim lava
sitting on 42% rn
modern bear
how the fuck yall simming 100k dps wtf
balmy condor
then sim it?
slim lava
unbuffed
balmy condor
42% should be enough
100k dps sims are corruption poggers
this is the one from earlier
as you can see, very cool blizzard
true kindle
thinking the same :p
balmy condor
expedient is probably the go-to
slow tulip
just buy 4 expedients this cycle
modern bear
ye?
i cant buy 4 since i didnt gain echoes befroe this
so bullshit
but severe is for patchewrk
when i go outlaw
slow tulip
there is a lot of time till saturday
modern bear
i need nooo haste right
slow tulip
can manage prolly like 3 atleast
modern bear
whaat, where should i gain so many echoes??
balmy condor
spam m+
slow tulip
also visions and assault give a lot
true kindle
thing is i have infinite stars at 75 corruption so i dont have a lot of room, only one more corruption. i was thinking of changing IS
wet ruin
slow tulip
yes
modern bear
25 is not a lot lol
dawn rock
drop is
wet ruin
can this be trusted
modern bear
can anyone of u click my link?
tell me what i should change?
or just get expedients 😄
modern bear
it usually ALWAYS sims my 18% td
cobalt pelican
in terms of what
modern bear
what is CT?
true kindle
is IS actually not good? 😛
balmy condor
crimson tempest
dawn rock
IS is poor
balmy condor
IS is good single target, but its mega rng
modern bear
hahaha i forgot i did a vision
actually went to the gym
they put everything outside lol
true kindle
so what are the better corruption effects now?
i heard they are nerfing gushing qounds
wounds*
balmy condor
still expedient
modern bear
35%
dawn rock
pinned
modern bear
less damage
true kindle
oh there is a pin? missed it :p
modern bear
@balmy condor but, if i also wanna play outlaw, in mythic +
should i stack versa % and crit %?
balmy condor
then make 2 gear sets
modern bear
i play more m+ than raid tbh
balmy condor
echoing kinda not needed
modern bear
shows a big damage boost in my sims over taking my single target gear tho
balmy condor
yeah that looks more like what I was expecting
modern bear
but whispyr, what do u think about flat haste vs racing pulse?
idk when rogue haste caps a bit
dawn rock
haste
arctic cloud
Worth buying a 12% haste this week for ass?
balmy condor
racing pulse is garbo
modern bear
ye?
dawn rock
buy 4
modern bear
it has high uptime
balmy condor
dawn rock
exp
arctic cloud
Sorry
balmy condor
sure why not
warm parcel
Diminishing return has nothing to do with caps
modern bear
ye but there wil be a point
balmy condor
also pretty sure the diminishing returns only kick in at ridiculous levels
modern bear
crit or versa will be better then?
balmy condor
that you don't need to think about
warm parcel
maybe
modern bear
and then on items go haste > mastery > crit > versa?
balmy condor
s i m
y o
s e l f
d a w g
balmy condor
then you know better than us
balmy condor
too many variables to tell you stat weights
modern bear
and with the gear i have now, i came to the sim i just sent
aah but as a general guideline
IF
u have 4x expedient
what would u focus on
on pieces
?
modern bear
next weak i have paramount goggles btw
modern bear
aah alright
so i really have to throw more sims to it
il experiment with that new option
where u can sim shop corrupts
does gushing work on aoe too btw?
modern bear
that was
my indeed
the question
u wont proc it 5 times
good to know
for pvp, 6 gushing tho 😄
modern bear
yee
true kindle
all sims i run want me to keep the infinite star, i dont get it :p
true kindle
also where do i see the pins? kinda noob with this
balmy condor
charred vine
Atm what are the best corruptions after the patch?
warm parcel
So you just skipped the intro
balmy condor
forever
warm parcel
And asked a question instead of reading it
warm parcel
So you skipping reading it dont be surprised people skip your question
balmy condor
class discords are the same 3 questions every day until the end of time
warm parcel
Or snap at you
modern bear
lol sure bud
dont feel like having this meme conversation tbh
im going to buy some expedients
balmy condor
excellent
shut bay
expediant exsanguinate build
balmy condor
that's what we suggested
shut bay
do it
green scroll
how would you sim for this raid, hectic and cleave or patchwerk with 2-3 boss ?
green scroll
cause IF is strong on ST but except maut and shadar there isn't much of pure ST
balmy condor
using 1 sim?
green scroll
an average
balmy condor
on average, you would sim single target
cause you're playing sin
and thats your job
balmy condor
you need more crit
green scroll
but wouldn't IF be stronger that it actually is ?
having 10 stacks on boss for sure
slim lava
but why haste is the least valuable
balmy condor
because you have a lot of haste
slim lava
but isnt that the idea with expedient?
warm parcel
All stats are just multipliers
balmy condor
don't take it
charred vine
Atm what are the best corruptions after the patch?
green scroll
@balmy condor that's why I ask
balmy condor
then yes
green scroll
so just sim pure ST but avoid IF
balmy condor
I would probably gem for crit and then buy more expedient
young portal
Don't gear yourself from stat weights, gear from Top Gear/Gear Compare
balmy condor
who said to gear from stat weights
charred vine
full expedient humm
young portal
he's looking at his stat weights and considering stopping buying Expedients?
slim lava
no im trying to understand why haste isnt getting more valuable since it will b multiplied
by exp6
balmy condor
mhm thats what I was thinking
warm parcel
Cause whenever you get more haste
Other stats raise in value too
Its the very core of how multiplying works in math
Thats grade school level of math
slim lava
ye u talking about grade school
rancid bobcat
Has anyone tried mixing in some other stat amps yet into the sims?
slim lava
but also the obvious but it doesnt say anything by itself
warm parcel
okay so
If you have a total of "10" you can multiply together
You are not going to have 7 x 1 x 1 x 1
To get the highest score
boreal maple
i have rank 9 expedient and rank 4 severe
warm parcel
But instead you could go 6 x 2 x 1 x 1 and already get a higher score
Theres your stats
Crit haste mas and vers
Thats literally how stats work in this game
Now 6 2 1 1 isnt the best either
But its already miles better than 7 1 1 1
balmy condor
should add that everything is a multiplier, there are very few additive buffs in the game
balmy condor
which also is why stacking all your buffs and pot and bloodlust into one very short window is very strong
here's a visual representation of stats if that helps too
you can see that the lines are very jagged
because they play off of each other
so depending on gear, your lines will come out completely differently
you can also see that vers starts to scale, because it's almost like its multiplying the effects from all the other stats
agi starts out very strong, but doesn't scale well, this also explains why agi/ilvl is the best thing at the start of an expansion, and why late into an expansion, agi is by far the worst stat
all of that in that graph is a difference of -1000 to +1000 on a template character
so with 4k haste on people and bloodlust and a bunch of garbage
that visual is also completely inaccurate
you pop your buffs, the lines change, you get more corruption, the lines change
warm parcel
Its always a living thing
balmy condor
^
basically any changes you make to your character, the graph will shift
you can't make me click that
vestal wren
does that clip relate to the discussion?
warm parcel
Cant see how it would
balmy condor
its literally just m+ talents
strange python
banhammer him 
vestal wren
!warn @onyx osprey no self promotion
onyx osprey
sorry it was just a clup
lone junco
@balmy condor those graphs are neat. if you increase the stat delta you will see where haste caps energy in the opener.
onyx osprey
clip*
hoary crown
Can some1 tell me what to aim for with corruptions now ?
onyx osprey
i didnt mean to advertise i hate self promoters tbh
lone junco
aka, you can see why people stacking expedients, wind up swapping to crit gems.
cause they are blowing energy during vendetta
tropic gust
Hey everyone. I'm new to the discord and also looking to further improve my rogue. At 472 ilvl but only simming 83k
balmy condor
link sim
tropic gust
I will when I get home 🤣 just at work right now. Aconite-Whisperwind if you want to look up in quick sim
north ibex
is the nzoth ring BiS?
balmy condor
@lone junco I think it'll be interesting to see how the corruptions end up 2-3 months down the road
mechagon rings bis
north ibex
i got one with socket lol
balmy condor
then sim it
north ibex
thinking if thats the ring i wanna put expedient on
balmy condor
you're gonna replace it with the mechagon rings eventually
tropic gust
Which If and Thens are BiS? With behind enemy with Haste proc or the nature dmg infliction?
lean marten
behind, haste
vernal flume
behind and haste
balmy condor
behind > 3 hits?
vernal flume
3 hits is ok but not as good uptime as behind
balmy condor
ah
warm parcel
dont quote on that
lean marten
its not super consistent
warm parcel
but its like 100% up in any log
lone junco
nice
lean marten
i think bleed has to been applied from behind but its wonky
lone junco
@warm parcel you even playing rogue these days?
balmy condor
nice game blizz 
lone junco
probably a warrior bro now
warm parcel
why wouldnt I
static glacier
so uh, is there a way of simming cleansing / recorrupting pieces on raidbots?
fleet anchor
3 abilities one procs from like
Azerite procs and stuff too, so it's pretty much always up also afaik
lone junco
except when you are mage or shadow
balmy condor
@static glacier yes, you should look at the github tutorials
warm parcel
Thats once an expac
static glacier
where can I find em, what do I search for (sorry if it's a silly questiton)
never really been much of a github user
balmy condor
static glacier
ty
balmy condor
that'll tell you how to edit gear pieces
lone junco
i use raidbots gear compare.
balmy condor
from there its just finding the ID's you're looking for
gear compare works too yeah
I don't like that as much tbh
lean marten
i dont think u can pick the piece it goes on in Top Gear with the new ui, it just slaps it on something within budget
lime edge
new pins, pog
balmy condor
^
static glacier
trying with topgear, let's see how it goes
balmy condor
that's why I just make duplicate gear pieces with custom code
and it just knows
and top gears that instead
dark niche
anyone mind taking a look at these 2 sims? i thought expedient would/should sim higher
lone junco
a few things going on there.
balmy condor
yeah
static glacier
dropping ilvls with multiple TA when they aren't hasted
balmy condor
there's a bit of a mess
static glacier
is likely the cause?
balmy condor
going on in those sims
lone junco
its not 1 expedient that helps. its like 6
lean marten
expedient is typically combined with xang build
lone junco
and 3ss
lean marten
with multiple expedients
balmy condor
ta3 is pretty good single target
warm parcel
Higher is quite likely to win
lone junco
and a lot of people using the expedient are bypassing the RNG tendy
balmy condor
expedient isn't just a one button win the game
charred vine
expedient 12 and 6%, i sim 78k 477 ilvl LOL
balmy condor
its just the most consistent
lone junco
they may accept a lower sim max.
balmy condor
but also you should be more consistent in your gear
balmy condor
it wants to be like 4 different things at once
balmy condor
deadly/masterful nav, but vers enchanted and vers gemmed?
dark niche
i cant sim that much cause of the limit
balmy condor
seems like you've been micro-managing quite a bit
lone junco
verse buffs tendy
lone junco
anyway. the high haste builds might not be peoples high sim. but def a very very consistent result
dark niche
the versa stuff is mostly cause of pvp when i think rly think about simming for higher pve
balmy condor
feels micro-managed
static glacier
got a TA 3 wep today, I'll probably not get to run many new corruptions
dark niche
when i didnt rly*
vernal walrus
so vision of perfection is not good minor¿ with blood of enemy in main, or i must play vision main¿ i dont understand the guide
tropic gust
Logged out playing with flays. Forgot about that
light pebble
is there a bis list that shows the best items you can get at 475+ for the exang build? so like best crit haste gear
balmy condor
also logged out with BotD major
lone junco
gl
tropic gust
Yes lmao
rose sapphire
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o5As92fuzwR4D4VfF61RBp Feels a bit low sim with the gear or what do u think guys
balmy condor
seems fine to me
light pebble
@balmy condor how can I see which items have the best haste/crit distribution so I dont end up socketing and putting exped 3 on something that isnt best?
topaz wasp
How come not MA Hollister?
static glacier
that and it's keeping honed mind
obtuse island
Whats a good azerite set up to go for on boss weeks as assassination? Still EB and SS?
topaz wasp
yeah while running SS right? running subter with 0 ss feels odd
balmy condor
@light pebble that's a bait question, if you scroll up about 30 minutes, you'll find our conversation on stat weights, and why that line of thinking isn't going to help you
no
just in general
subt is just better
raven mica
Also, with that comment regarding bis lists
lean marten
BiS lists might come back now that we can pick corruptions
raven mica
With this patch, there’s actually an argument for a bis list to be made
static glacier
thing is, a bis piece would only be bis if you have the rest of the set
raven mica
Less unrealistic than before
balmy condor
^
shy axle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/33UUbhbAAJUa12FNfx1JYy thats the best i can do with expeds and SS right now. I could buy 2x 12% haste, i wonder how much better it will get then. Any advice? Current DD build with everything normal sims 90,6k with wv (which i am not using bc noone runs it in my raid)
balmy condor
BiS is only BiS because you have all the BiS, not because its straight better
@shy axle you could sim 2x ex3, and it'll help probably more than other things
but really its hard to tell
shy axle
i got one on my belt and could add 2 more, idk how to do that in raidbots though
light pebble
Would you guys say the servo-arm bracers from ML or the bracers from M Skitra are the best? About to socket + exped my bracers and not sure which would be better (still making the rest of my set)
shy axle
yeah i got more sockets on other pieces without haste/lower ilvl/other corruptions
dawn rock
hmmm 3 or 4 expedient worth grinding out
shy axle
thats just want seems to be best suited for the %haste, but i am no expert either, just lurking and playin
strange python
is appendage kind of the way to go just now?
vernal walrus
guys plz 2 questions: vision of perfection is not good minor¿ with blood of enemy in main, or i must play vision main¿ and what is EB
light pebble
@balmy condor dont the ML ones lean heavy haste while the skitra ones are more balanced?
tropic ocean
royal lantern
vision minor is good on some fights (wrathion is a big one), but no "always use that one" essence
balmy condor
sure, but realistically the difference is so minimal that it changes from character to character
light pebble
ahk fair
balmy condor
its haste/crit bracers vs crit/haste bracers
and bracers already are the lowest stat piece of gear
vernal walrus
mmm just in fights that you can explode that cd reducction¿
balmy condor
mega-micro managing
light pebble
and for the carapace weapon, would you cleanse it and add expedient or leave it with TA?
royal lantern
we dont know your corruption levels/options
light pebble
@balmy condor which piece would you say is the most important to focus on first?
balmy condor
if you want to be consistent, probably cleanse, but TA is fine
mechagon rings
but seriously, that's a bait question
just play the game
lean marten
droptimizer can help with that
warm parcel
Theres literally no difference which item has the haste amp
Just dont put it on an item thats shit and you dont wanna use
balmy condor
well there is technically a difference, but yes
light pebble
droptimiser barely shows any upgrades for me in M+ anymore. im just trying to respec everything for the new exsang build
balmy condor
the difference is so minimal that you shouldn't waste your time thinking about it
void pecan
^
visual mesa
light pebble
I guess I should reword my question. if bracers are the lowest stat piece of gear (aka minimal impact), which piece has the biggest impact?
warm parcel
in what way
warm parcel
like if you talking about corruption enchant
balmy condor
stop thinking about that
warm parcel
theres literally no difference
void pecan
^
balmy condor
he's talking stats on gear
light pebble
^
warm parcel
well look at which item has the most stats in it
balmy condor
and is a waste of time
warm parcel
pants have way more than bracers
balmy condor
but apparently im not getting through to him
void pecan
Ideally put the corruption on your highest ilevel + best stat gear if that's what you're meaning
warm parcel
Id slap my corruptions on the items I know Im never removing
royal lantern
that is littearly minmaxing at a lvl where 99,9999%of all people dont care because its REALLY min min minmax
lone junco
I did ones with sockets
void pecan
^ yeah yeah
warm parcel
Or that sweet socket 485 boots
strange python
are mecharings a must have?
light pebble
do you just chill with the m15 465 rings or wait to get lucky and get 475 from chest?
balmy condor
"must have"
warm parcel
if you wanna flex with simdps yes
royal lantern
pretty good
lone junco
for raid they give a ton of haste. in keys no.
balmy condor
yes
warm parcel
its up to you whether you wanna wait
royal lantern
high uptime haste buff is nice, can be forcefarmed, but its still loot rng
turbid canopy
what mechagon rings exactly?
balmy condor
behind/haste
lone junco
if behind then haste.
royal lantern
3different skills/haste is better imo
royal lantern
behind is more a simthing
3skills is usable on all fights
how are you using behind on fights where you simply CANT be behind the enemy
lone junco
weak says bleed ticks count as behind.
light pebble
is there actually a big difference or just a minimal difference in the sims between behind or 3x abilities
oh wtf
bleeds count as behind???
lone junco
i dont have, so Idk.
turbid canopy
thats sad got a if you are under 50% 475 severe 2 ring
void pecan
My rings proc all the time.
balmy condor
realistically, the difference is minimal
you can get pretty high uptime on 3x as well
light pebble
if bleeds count as being behind, thats pretty big though no? just multi dot everything and guaranteed
balmy condor
depends on fight and positioning
vernal flume
its like 90% uptime vs 99% uptime
balmy condor
if you can get high uptime behind the boss, then obviously behind
but if you're rupture sniping bloods on ilgy
then its probably whatever
light pebble
was the bleeds counting as 'behind' actually confirmed or did someone jsut say that?
vernal flume
so its probably not a huge dps difference
runic tinsel
Is bloodmallet using pre-nerf GW for thier sims or is it still the best for dps per corruption?
balmy condor
pre-nerf
warm parcel
Someone once told me prot warriors used behind cause their bleeds procced it
balmy condor
GW hasn't been nerfed yet
warm parcel
Just going by that
light pebble
hmm interesting, might need to do some more research on that
warm parcel
but quickly looking at my logs
behind was up 95% of the effective time
so just always up
warm parcel
dark forum
Trying to understand this for stat values soo weird
void pecan
gonna throw expedient on that boy weak?
balmy condor
what about it
balmy condor
@dark forum how is it weird
dark forum
@balmy condor Versa really? in most of my gear i allway stack Haste >= Crit > mastery >> everything else
vernal flume
mine only 465 😦
balmy condor
and that's why vers is your best stat now
you always stacking haste is what got you into this situation
lone junco
stat weights get weird anyway.
lone junco
but rip agi
runic tinsel
Is raid bots using pre-nerf GW aswell?
warm parcel
Should be
light pebble
with us all stacking exped now, does that mean vita + plume are the best trinkets for <5min fights and then vita + coral for longer?
warm parcel
Nerf is scheduled for 26th
vernal walrus
its possible now to corrupt a item again¿, i mean if the items was purified
light pebble
only if it was purified after the patch
vernal walrus
but htats a bug right? they are on a hot fix ¿
vernal walrus
me?
void pecan
Yes
vernal walrus
playing wow since 2005
light pebble
those question marks are tripping me out fam lmao
void pecan
vernal walrus
february/march
balmy condor
the vendor allows you to enchant gear with corruptions
therefore
you can cleanse and enchant with new corruption
primal turret
Is the nerfed of gushing wound show in the simulations already?
slow tulip
next week mate
primal turret
Okey though it was already nerfed, ty
thin ingot
i dont know what to buy >.<
i want to focus on M+
i guess i gotta wait for the crit from all sources
wicked anvil
having at least 1 shrouded suffocation is a must have, right?
dark forum
@balmy condor never thought haste would have a point of inflection is blood mallet graph somewhat accurate?
balmy condor
unless bloodmallet is using your character as the template
balmy condor
^
warm parcel
And that only
strange python
bloodmallet/herowhateveritscalled uses predefined gear to sim those
warm parcel
Its not your character
balmy condor
@warm parcel we should pin that conversation from an hour ago
and just send people to read that
warm parcel
It does give some general picture like only stacking pure versa isnt the best of ideas
Man
Idno
😄
void pecan
100%+ extra vers from sources..
balmy condor
with expedient corruptions
there's going to be so many people
who just don't understand how stats work
and will show up going "hurr durr my weights?"
warm parcel
Expedition makes it so haste doesnt fall off as hard as it would without it
balmy condor
yes
void pecan
lime edge
xd
strange python
7ish?
loud silo
gonna be a sad day cleansing this :/
balmy condor
and you want to stay under 40
strange python
you have 87 atm
balmy condor
I'm using example
lime edge
+10 from breath
strange python
use rite exomple
balmy condor
fine we'll use 87
for the fish boy who hates examples that aren't capped
87 and you want to stay under 40
lime edge
so 6 rank 3 exped
warm parcel
Why would you cleanse a ring like that
void pecan
Gushing is still decent
warm parcel
You have the other 8 slots to enchant before you should think of cleansing that
void pecan
even post nerf gushign will probably still be okay
vernal flume
rip to all the gw that gets wrongfully cleansed
balmy condor
I saw someone say rip to a piece with exped 1
cause its not exped 3
I was about to lose my shit
lime edge
rofl
vernal flume
lolwat
warm parcel
Its gonna take a while to enchant every item with exr3
balmy condor
never underestimate how stupid people can be
main solar
Doesn't gushing get hasted? Have we seen at all how a gushing+expedient set looks post nerf?
warm parcel
Gushing does benefit from haste yes
red turtle
so in the end we will balance out Severe and Expedient to balance stats out?
loud silo
i figured it just wasnt worth the corruption budget, id obviously sim before cleansing
vernal flume
yea a guildie asked me today like "oh i should just replace this exped1 with exped3 right" ...why not just pick a different slot wtf
warm parcel
It should still be a better pick in 485 ilvl items
lime edge
so on shard of the black empire
loud silo
lucky i posted in here before doing big dumb cleanse
little root
i have yet to cleanse a single item
dark forum
@balmy condor @warm parcel understood and thanks we know everything is MEANT to be a guide but as the Internet Dojo rules go there are always things to strive for. RIP now being able to test crazy combo's like prenerf GW x4 + Galecallers + Exsang
lime edge
ive cleansed once
vernal flume
i think ive cleansed leech and thats it
dark forum
Sometimes I think the most fun is running SIMC as a rogue VS actually playing
lean marten
im a xang + galecallers player AMA
warm parcel
Galecallers 
lime edge
does hasting pulse get affected by expedient
warm parcel
Any haste thats raw rating
loud silo
it legit says in the tool tip "haste from all sources"
warm parcel
But it is rating only
lime edge
thats a source
warm parcel
Doesnt affect lust or troll racial
lime edge
yea
shy axle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2YbnS4LoJk3tiC4tXGHMHV idk i can slap as many epeds on as i want, can`t cross 90 (what i have in my normal build). I wonder if i am overlookin something
loud silo
i thought it did boost haste from lust
lime edge
hell no it doesnt
wet ruin
I don't think bloodlust is haste
icy osprey
so atm im running appendages rank 6, if I wanna replace those all with expedients, id have to have haste on every item to make it worthwhile right?
icy osprey
bcs I tried simming it with a random set that has 1500 haste, but that simmed slightly lower
lime edge
not sure if haste/verse or haste/crit
strange python
tfw you only gain 5k dps after a day of visions 
wet ruin
bloodlust is defined as melee, ranged and spell haste, which is something different than the haste rating
I assume
warm parcel
Yes
warm parcel
Even tho expedient doesnt specify "rating" in it
strange python
what kind of haste mastery are you looking for when playing exsanguinate build?
little root
huh weird, i bought masterful 3 on my mage but in raidbots it only says masterful 2 on the piece i corrupted
warm parcel
Its quite literally a 30% multiplier
lime edge
ripp
little root
ya know....that would explain things....i jsut double checked on wowhead and expedient 3 is listed right under masterful 2 and musta misread
slow tulip
rip
warm parcel
ouch
little root
eh just an alt
minor thicket
question by switching the talent MA to subterfuge and still running DD traits or one or two SS why was the switch made? To remove the crit cap?
woeful minnow
to be fair masterful2 isn't bad, it only becomes a problem if you have too many corruptions for your available gear slots
warm parcel
There isnt really a reason like crit cap
Its just more overall with sub
But getting to higher crit levels does make MA less valuable yes
minor thicket
sorry thats what i meant
frigid kestrel
What’s the fastest way to farm them echoes? Cause running 44 15’s before reset ain’t happening.
little root
yea im really not worried about it... have 2 masterful 2 and honed mined but my mage is only 457 ilvl so im expecting some gear changes lol
minor thicket
yea like for Raden fight im using 1 x SS the rest DD
so I can dot up the adds
I dont use Exsan
warm parcel
Yea ss sub are nice for adds that need to die
minor thicket
yesterday was a bit of a gong show I read so much stuff i wasnt sure what to listen to
woeful minnow
as glad as I am we finally have a vendor, it really highlights how ridiculous simming has gotten
woeful minnow
I spent like 3 hours simming different shit trying to figure out what to do
slow tulip
ones i simmed all my sockets with premium boi 15 mil iterations
3 hours later
5 dps increase ...
worth 😛
red bloom
I’ve been simming so much the last while now I’m losing dmg
royal lantern
@slow tulip dps increase is a dps increase
main solar
raidbots cant figure our precleansed items, so its kinda funky to use the corruption feature in top gear
woeful minnow
yea that's another part of the mess lol
juggling the stuff you already cleansed on top of everything
red bloom
Got my expedient and a 90k sim now with only one wiggly boy left which I’m happy about, gonna keep going for more echos and get one more before the reset
little root
its really sad that my 420 expedient 2 gloves out sim 475 honed mind 3 gloves
sturdy mesa
What type of build are we lookin at for assa atm i've got 2x rank2 wiggle boi, 1x rank3 expedient and might buy another rank3 expedient anythin else i should be getting or are those like the prime
river robin
ALL the haste
sturdy mesa
So no wiggly boi or they good until i get enuff haste (
little root
guys dont forget that haste > haste > haste
rancid bobcat
swapping 1x haste to crit came out higher
red bloom
How much haste are people around where the exang build over takes dd/NP? when I try sim my ss stuff it’s a good bit behind still
crimson palm
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vuy4WyoMuSPCYf6ekdWK1W severe still being outsimmed by expedient
chilly marsh
this is using 7x expedient
icy osprey
will expedient stacking outdps stars on shad btw?
red bloom
Probably can kill shad before you can get to max star stacks
woeful minnow
raidbots must be making bank right now with all the people upgrading to epic
because heirloom isn't cutting it anymore
sturdy mesa
wait everyone running SS now for single target?
warm parcel
Exsanguinate has always enjoyed them
sturdy mesa
Ayy very nice
modern bear
@crimson palm isnt three garrotes a bit of a waste compared to double dose?
Since u only can redot per vanish cd
modern bear
I also cant seemnto find how raidbots can sim multiple expedients
I dont have one but i want to sim 4
Or 2 severe 2 exp
warm parcel
Add them one by one
modern bear
U can like but it on a piece?
warm parcel
Or if you know what youre doing, add the bonus ids
warm parcel
waist=",id=174140,bonus_id=4824/6516/6513/1517/4786/1808/6465/6476,context=6,gem_id=168641"
Corruption is there somewhere
So if you know whats what, you can move stuff around
vocal hatch
can someone teach me how to playa assassination as i usually play sub