assassination

[tame sigil]

There will be tons of M+ blaster groups

[lime edge]

for sure

just to farm those echoes

[tame sigil]

Yeah exactly

[vast forum]

@fringe socket this means that if you were to add a socket to your gear right now, it would probably be best to put a mastery gem in it

but top gear is always better than stat weights

as they are very volatile for assa

vers is my highest simming stat cuz 2x 485 carapace daggers

[tame sigil]

Vers is always a good bet

[brave verge]

Hey what do you think abouy the fishing wound nerf incomming??

[vast forum]

i think GW will now be worth 65% of what it was before the nerf

[civic hatch]

would mix of severe/expedient be best for standard sin build?

or just go all out expedient

[lime edge]

@vast forum oh really

how did u come up with that conclusion 😉

[red bloom]

yo dudes, my guild is just starting on carapace tomorrow, should I try to get a couple EB traits on my gear of will I be fine just yolo blasting the boss?

[hidden bay]

Padding on progress?

[loud brook]

Will there be an update to the sin guide on wowhead outlining bis corruptions?

[vast forum]

if you wear EB on carapace, you should be benched

[hollow ether]

is there a soft cap on haste/crit for DD build?

[vast forum]

nop

there's a hardcap on crit tho

once you have 100%, it loses all value

[hollow ether]

lol.

[civic hatch]

big if true

[idle ember]

I was expecting some kind of heavy dps increase with the new raid bots sim and my gear. I'm getting 1400 dps increase (86k) adding gushing wound to my set, if I switch IS3 to TA3 I lose another 5k dps. What am I missing here? Hunters in my guild are linking 106k+ patchwerk sims...

is it better to run multiple lesser ranks?

[vast forum]

you're the wrong class

hunters are broken atm

don't compare yourself to hunters

[cobalt pelican]

just equip your bow and shoot ppl wtf

[idle ember]

I mean.. thats 20k dps

[vast forum]

yep

20k

[idle ember]

I could see... 8?

[vast forum]

they also get to move while doing it

[cobalt pelican]

not even the highest simming rogues sim 106k i don't think

[vast forum]

and 40 yd range

[cobalt pelican]

or if they do it's

just about 106k

and 106k for a hunter is average

[woeful minnow]

the problem is you're simming IS

[cobalt pelican]

the hunter in my guild sims 110k at <40 corruption and i sim like 94k at 59

[idle ember]

I was and wasnt

[hidden bay]

Show ur sim

[lime edge]

what would be best stats for max expedient

haste/vers?

haste/crit?

[vast forum]

haste

[lime edge]

BUT HASTE WHAT

[idle ember]

without stars https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nqyLzXr6QSiqS6HaFD6qNL

[vast forum]

more haste

[lime edge]

ree

[vast forum]

whatever sims 2nd best 😄

[civic hatch]

would mix of severe/expedient be best for standard sin build?
or just go all out expedient

[lime edge]

probably all out exp

[tropic charm]

This might be a dumb question, but with exs, do I use it 3 times and have a 15 second downtime for it to refresh then use it with vendetta, or do I use it twice and wait for vendetta/vanish to get off CD

[lime edge]

but idk

[vast forum]

i'd say assuming you run full expedient

crit will be 2nd best

but don't trust me

trust the bots

[lime edge]

i wont trust u

noob

😛

[vast forum]

good

[rancid bobcat]

there must be some way in simcraft to like

just set stats to a flat value

[vast forum]

ugh

[rancid bobcat]

and then we can vary it

[vast forum]

too much work

[rancid bobcat]

i've seen sites with charts like that too

[vast forum]

i guess

we could set total amount of stats

[lime edge]

cause theres 100% bis gear

[vast forum]

and minimum for each of them due to cloak/neck

assuming full 475/485 gear

and just see what combination of stats sims best

but that requires work

[rancid bobcat]

there was a site similar to herodamage/bloodmallet that had a graph like that

im pretty sure

[vast forum]

work i'd never be willing to put in

[rancid bobcat]

had a 3d graph

[vast forum]

or capable probably

[rancid bobcat]

https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#rogue_assassination?data_view=secondary_distributions

here it is

[vast forum]

that thing assumes you're not wearing corruptions tho

[worldly sandal]

felt nice to be able to put and expedient 3 on my cara boots

free 1400 DPS

[vast forum]

also, you need a 5d graph

for it to work

because you have 4 stats and dps as a function of those 4

[rancid bobcat]

nah you dont need 5d

[vast forum]

i guess if you have a total amount of stats

[rancid bobcat]

the format there is fine

[vast forum]

4 is enough

or yea, the dot colors might be a good "dimension"

on a graph

[rancid bobcat]

you'd just have to make separate ones per corruption

[vast forum]

so 3 can work

[tiny finch]

do we have a target for corruptions with those vendors now? between severes / expedients and tendies?

[vast forum]

expedients

don't go for tendies

[worldly sandal]

^

[tiny finch]

trying to balance outlaw and ass corruptions

so full haste? my sims tells me to go full tendies and vers on sockets

[vast forum]

link the sim

[worldly sandal]

well yeah TA actually does damage, but its not reliable

[vast forum]

i'm very curious

[tiny finch]

sec

after wrat

sec

[vast forum]

TA isn't very good on average

it's like a mid-tier corruption

[rancid bobcat]

i mean

[grave trail]

can the exang build save rogue or is it time to reroll mage warlock on hunter

[rancid bobcat]

he could also just have shit options

[grave trail]

or*

[vast forum]

the only reason a lot of assa rogues use it is because it's guaranteed

rogue is fine

mage/hunter are broken

[void pecan]

Do we have a "go for these corruptions" thing yet?

or are we just

[vast forum]

yes

read 4 messages up

[fleet anchor]

People use TA because the top-end is basically sky high and just requires luck

[vast forum]

and sim for just in case

[grave trail]

they're broken and blizz buffed them even more by nerfing GW

[fleet anchor]

And you can just mash random buttons and still get 99% parse if it procs a lot

[grave trail]

lmfao

[vast forum]

i use TA because i have them on 485

[fleet anchor]

Half the pulls it will do basically nothing but the top end is juicy

[vast forum]

if i had severe/expedient/gw/void ritual/honed mind, they would probably sim better

which i will have soon 🙂

[worldly sandal]

i will be happy now to just slap expedient/strikethroughs on everything

[idle ember]

there a way to sim multiple expediants?

[void pecan]

raidbots has a sim thing now for corruption?

Yeah they do

[lilac sparrow]

3dd

now expedient is the best maybe... time to do 3ss exng

[gaunt echo]

maybe if mastery was best, i dont think that sound worth with just haste

[vast forum]

@scarlet sequoia btw, i haven't done any sims for this but just off the top of your head, does il'gy shoulder (ss/hod) beat gorak's?

[tropic charm]

This might be a dumb question, but I’ve been running TB since legion. with exs, do I use it 3 times and have a 15 second downtime for it to refresh then use it with vendetta, or do I use it twice and wait for vendetta/vanish to get off CD

[vast forum]

alrdy answered that

and yes you delay it

cuz it aligns with vanish then

(delay 2nd vendetta 15 sec)

[tropic charm]

I didn’t see an answer so sorry about that, was looking back but couldn’t find it. Thank you

[bleak star]

so anyone know if gushing still gunna be worth with the nerf?

[vast forum]

yea

raidbots knows

feelycraft says: probably worth putting on 485 items

maybe on 1-2 475s

[rustic yarrow]

So at what point is the Exsang build worth it, IE how many exped corruptions do I need before it becomes worth it to run?

[vast forum]

for me it started being better than 3np vop major build at 1 t3 expedient

[bleak star]

hmmm so i needa go do mythic now then lol

[lime edge]

u cant remove a corruption and just put it on something else

can u?

[rustic yarrow]

no

[vast forum]

you can if you remove corruption after the reset

[rustic yarrow]

not like a socket

[tiny finch]

ok this was my last sim @vast forum

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2xgijPRbHkB9FSiVFzxeFo

[vast forum]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=316144/items-cleansed-recently-can-be-re-corrupted-older-items-cannot

[lime edge]

wait wdym

[tiny finch]

havent done one today after the cloak

[lime edge]

thats not what i meant

im talking about getting the item back

and using the same corruption on something else

[static glacier]

has raidbots got the upcoming nerfed version of GW or the live one?

[vast forum]

i think still live

[static glacier]

ty

[vast forum]

the nerfed one has only been posted recently

will probably be nerfed with the next nightly build

[bleak star]

wonder if its worth buying the r3 tendy and putting it on a 475 dagger

[vast forum]

@tiny finch that sim doesn't compare your TA to other corruption

also, who still uses MA in 2020

[tiny finch]

let me do one when they are clearing trash

please standby

MA?

[vast forum]

@bleak star probably not

master assassin

subterfuge beats MA even in TB build

[tiny finch]

dont know if memeing or serious

hahah

[vast forum]

especially with that 450 coral of yours

[tiny finch]

hmm interesting

ok will link the next sim as soon as it finishes, on the corruptions with MA at least

then ill try to check another with subterfuge

im not simming my infinite stars though

i dont like the rng

[sudden brook]

curious on how much better sin will be after the GW nerf

like how relevant is "having a good corruption thats easy to get now"

[tiny finch]

never droped a single GW on the rogue after hundreds of m+ and raids

i got one on a recent 120 shammy at 410IL on a wq

feels good

:(

[vast forum]

i'm simming some stuff for you

just as an experiment

[tiny finch]

gotcha, waiting on the sim to complete

[vast forum]

@sudden brook probably worse than before (in relative terms)

imagine all the mages with masterful

and all the hunters with expedient/severe

we're gonna fall further and further behind

i'm hoping blizzard realises how fuckin dumb this is and they either buff some classes to compete with mages/hunters

or they nerf them

[hazy flame]

They cba

[static glacier]

thing is, do they really care at this point of the expac

[vast forum]

well

if at some point in the near future

[rustic yarrow]

lol no they dont

[static glacier]

final tier of expacs always have some wildly OP specs

[vast forum]

hunters start simming 130k

[static glacier]

remember WW/ affli at end of legion

[vast forum]

true

but i think this is more absurd, at least ST wise

[static glacier]

the fact that BM hunter is even in top 10 is a disgrace in and ofitself

[vast forum]

@tiny finch https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/95qLmS9Fh8kLvBoyZ1Nt97

[static glacier]

invalidates other specs for progression

[vast forum]

enjoy 1.6k extra dps

i also only skimmed through your gear didn't really pick and choose ALL the options

[static glacier]

Yoppa dealing out some free dps

[cobalt pelican]

if expedient is unironically going to be the best and gw doesn't even go on 485s people already have basically come close enough to 'capped out gear'

[vast forum]

raz has 😄

if gw doesn't beat expedient, rogues won't break 110k soon

[cobalt pelican]

he still has a few upgrades now that you can choose where the expedient goes for sure but

[vast forum]

maybe in like 2 months of corruption resistance

[cobalt pelican]

it's not getting

much better for him

[vast forum]

and neck levels

[tiny finch]

ok done

[vast forum]

that's dungeon slie

slice *

[tiny finch]

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

[vast forum]

but look above

[tiny finch]

will do

[vast forum]

i already gave you 1.6k extra dps

[sudden brook]

so basically expdieient being good for sin wont matter?

[vast forum]

without much effort

it will matter @sudden brook

but the vendor will matter a lot more for other classes

at least some other classes 😄

those that are already at the top

[tiny finch]

godamnt TD again

:((

[vast forum]

MDI showcased this very well

[tiny finch]

hate the rng component

dont i need shrouded suffocation for subterfuge?

[hazy flame]

No

[tiny finch]

ah and i cant purify that Bit band, cant lose TD2

for outalw

[grave trail]

subterfuge out dps MA withouth ss

[hazy flame]

MA just overcaps Crit empowered garrote is better

[tiny finch]

unfortunately

oh nice,

ill have to check a opener for this then

is it on pins?

[tough skiff]

RIP

[rustic yarrow]

Anyone want to help me eek out some more DPS from my sim as well as help me with corruptions?

[grave trail]

LOL rip indeed

what a degen

[static glacier]

highroll is real

[grave trail]

yet here i am with 0 GW

[static glacier]

frankly

it doesn't actually matter

[grave trail]

yeah

NOW

but when it mattered it mattered lol

[static glacier]

nah, before. ofc you could have been doing 1% more dps

[vast forum]

that's an alt btw 😄

[static glacier]

but would your individual 1% dps have been the difference in a kill / wipe?

usually not

[grave trail]

1%

7 GW is 1%?

[static glacier]

regardless, 2-5k dps will not change the raid outcome

[sudden brook]

makes sense @vast forum ty

[static glacier]

atleast I tell myself that so I don't get salty

[grave trail]

im pretty sure that many GW is more like 30% of his dps

lol

bu tyeah does not matter now

[tiny finch]

@vast forum https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aiy9QahhRWp8Lbx9Tx2KWg ok same stuff basically

will try one with subterfuge now

[vast forum]

tbh

[idle ember]

I kept telling myself for weeks the reason my rogue is so shit is because of bad corruption drops. Now that I'm running raid bots I'm realizing my rogue is shit because rogue is shit.

[static glacier]

@grave trail and when I say 1% I mean having GW vs IS or expedient is that sort of gain, because it is

[vast forum]

you should REALLY farm that ring uncorrupted if you don't wanna purify it

[idle ember]

I was big hype to return too :\

[worldly sandal]

free expedient 3 and now the 3x SS/exsang build edges out the normal build by a couple hundred DPS

[vast forum]

mechagon ring set is >1k dps value

[tiny finch]

yeah im on it

[sudden brook]

rogue sucks rn cuz the systems of the expac dont work well with it

[tiny finch]

no luck whatsoever

[sudden brook]

no blaster master, no gaze, no tom

[vast forum]

rogue sucks because others outscale us

every expansion

[sudden brook]

^

not EVERY expansion

[grave trail]

@static glacier i dont think it is lol well maybe if you're stacked on expedient with sang build but still

[sudden brook]

but none of the systems this expac are good for us

[vast forum]

i mean

azerite is pretty good for us

[idle ember]

so like the last raid tier switch to lock/mage/hunter? lol

[sudden brook]

its not blaster master

[vast forum]

not as good as for mages

but good

[sudden brook]

its not tom

its not gaze

no stat corruptions is a real bummer

[tiny finch]

whats the opener with subterfuge again?

garrote vanish garrote?

[cobalt pelican]

i'm expecting like a

[vast forum]

nah

[cobalt pelican]

5k sim gain next reset

[tiny finch]

havent played it since grong

ahahahahha

[cobalt pelican]

to give you ballpark for sin st gains

for an average player

[vast forum]

garrote-mut til 4+ CP- rupture - vend-tb-do your standard stuff until garrote is in pandemic-vanish-garrote-do normal stuff

[cobalt pelican]

maybe a lil less

[tiny finch]

ty

[sudden brook]

i mean look at ant, sin owned in ant

[chilly marsh]

what are the stats for enxg ? haste> mastery > crit =vers?

[static glacier]

@grave trail I get what you're saying but seeing 7 GW is a gross outlier, due to how plentiful the other good corruptions are I wouldn't be surprised if the 7 GW player isn't running a lower ilvl piece just to keep the whole 7 GW meme thing going while the chances of having a full set of 475/85 corrupted pieces without GW is much higher since you're not relying on 1/52 chance.

realistically the difference between having GW and the second best isn't game breaking

meh, GW getting nerfed and vendor inc, so this whole debate is moot

[lilac sparrow]

garrote-mut til 4+ CP- rupture - vend-tb-do your standard stuff until garrote is in pandemic-vanish-garrote-do normal stuff
@vast forum this will force me to cast garrote in TB... doesn't matter?

[grave trail]

apparently for blizzard they think it is

[vast forum]

it shouldn't

[grave trail]

otherwise they would've nerfed

just for pvp

rogues can have 3 485 GW imagine that

[vast forum]

you can wait for Tb to expire, it's still within pandemic

[grave trail]

4*

[vast forum]

can technically have 4 but ring isn't worth it

mechagon set >>>>>>> 485 GW

especially with all the expedients

[grave trail]

so what is the to go now build? exang triple ss?

expedient?

[vast forum]

yeap

3ss 2hod 1bbi expedients

[fleet anchor]

@sudden brook If Assassination Rogues had Brigand's Blitz

[grave trail]

too lazy to look lol what are the decent head pieces with SS

i dont have any

[fleet anchor]

It would be nice and broken 😄

[vast forum]

IMAGINE

BB on vendetta

[fleet anchor]

That would be hype

[vast forum]

with expedient

[static glacier]

anyone remember agonizing poison?

[sudden brook]

imagine any rogue azerite giving useful stats

[vast forum]

that shit was aids

[sudden brook]

blitz is haste which is bad

[static glacier]

I didn't play rogue then but how would it have scaled

[sudden brook]

and tfd is haste which is also bad

[tiny finch]

so would you guys recommend buying that expedient 3 now?

[sudden brook]

fucking stupid

[tiny finch]

hey thats rude

[stone pilot]

i dont think hes calling you stupid

[quasi pewter]

yea guy

[static glacier]

he's mad at blizzard

[quasi pewter]

so rude

[tiny finch]

#reported

[quasi pewter]

[stone pilot]

hes calling the haste on rogue traits stupid

[static glacier]

dangit guy

[sudden brook]

LOL

[tiny finch]

fine i wont buy it

jeezz

[static glacier]

didn't they add haste scaling to bleeds to alleviate scaling issues

where did it all go wrong

[onyx hedge]

hmm

with the exsang build, CLF is 3 min cd and everything else lines up around 2- 2:10

[sudden brook]

scaling is such an irrelevant thing

[onyx hedge]

do you hold vendetta and exsang for clf?

[sudden brook]

like scaling doesnt matter

when u have systems like azerite and corruption

[vast forum]

@onyx hedge no

[onyx hedge]

jusdt use on cd?

[static glacier]

to be fair, are we looking at this from a pessimistic perspective? we still lose to those we lost to, by a bigger margin maybe

[grave trail]

wheres the guide for exang

[vast forum]

depending on fight duration

[grave trail]

never played that shit

[vast forum]

you can delay CLF for 3rd vend

in a 5 min fight

[static glacier]

but I don't think anyone we previously beat will ruin us, will they?

[onyx hedge]

yeah ok that makes more sense

using x3 vendettas

x2 CLFS

[vast forum]

personally

i like using formless major

and stealing CLF

in 5 min fights

[onyx hedge]

?

hmm

[vast forum]

formless has a better minor than CLF

[sudden brook]

like sub/sin are fine scaling specs, more so sub rogue, but look where sub is rn

it has no corruption/azerite that it can abuse like other specs

so they are just kinda "eh"

[vast forum]

but that requires SERIOUS fight knowledge and the risk of wiping, and formless doesn't reset CD on wipe like other essences

at least sometimes it doesn't

[grave trail]

how good is haste with tb build

no ss or exang

[vast forum]

decent

[outer lotus]

Thats actually huge brain yoppa

[grave trail]

liek what does it do for the build

[onyx hedge]

hey yoppa

[grave trail]

more energy to spam shit?

[onyx hedge]

can you do me a favour mate?

DO oyu have raidbots premium?

[vast forum]

not my own, but yes 😄

[onyx hedge]

oh, was wondering if i gave you my sim, could you see if you could get anything more out of it?

[static glacier]

[tidal gorge]

The RNG gods have finally given me a 475 gushing wound piece. Guess I'll enjoy it for 1 week before it's nerfed 😑

[vast forum]

@outer lotus i'd love to take credit for it but it wasn't my idea in the first place

@onyx hedge eh, sure, i'm bored, why not

[onyx hedge]

ok so i have a sim with a 3rd expedient on it, its not what i currently have, but ill have the 3rd r3 espedient very soon

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/t8Anpe7gTPW4aYrpngEgY9

that is where im at atm

the haste feels aight

im not really starved

[vast forum]

82 corruption

[grave trail]

@tidal gorge sorry for your loss

[onyx hedge]

ok

i have an explaination

ok so

[vast forum]

i'd purify that deadly momentum in a heartbeat

[onyx hedge]

im down on my cloak, im only at 68 atm, which means i jump to i think its 78 right now ? yes

[grave trail]

82 corruption lmao that fight better last 1 min

[onyx hedge]

so currently without that third expedient im at 62

[vast forum]

it's 77 atm i think

[onyx hedge]

1 more i get down below 60

[vast forum]

so you're at 73 😄

[onyx hedge]

add 1 more expedient and i drop say that deadly

or maybe a gw for next week

im just simming for next week

[grave trail]

im still gonna buy 2 GW at least for the 485 daggers

when i do get them ^_^

[vast forum]

i'd sim before doing that 😄

and i will

[onyx hedge]

its fine anyway, because im doing fire mage for ilgynoth prog and the last too, ilgy is what we are on now, and i can run above 40 corruption for those fights, raden and less i can run 60 cause we have it down pretty cleanly

[tough skiff]

simming 96k with r5 star + r3 exp

[onyx hedge]

r5 star is bloating that

wont perform anywhere near as well

[vast forum]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gmc9ZWYBiqDQbd6w2LBkPU @onyx hedge

+400 dps -15 corruption

pretty good deal if you ask me

[onyx hedge]

Feelsgoodman

i dont think i cna though

will have to farm out another ring

cant cleanse and put it on that one

[lilac sparrow]

in every combinations, sub/TB sims still much better than 3ss exng for 4min+ battle

does 3ss guys beat sub/TB for any length?

[vast forum]

it depends on gear

[cobalt pelican]

man

deciding whether mechagon rings are a long term keeper or not

is my hardest choice rn

[shy dust]

Don’t do it

[vast forum]

mechagon rings are 100% worth keeping

[cobalt pelican]

but like

[vast forum]

190 free fuckin haste

[snow meteor]

As a casual heroic raiding player is there a particular corruption I should be looking to stack? I enjoy my twisted appendage but I'd still like to buy the "right " corruption

[cobalt pelican]

aaaaaaaaaaa

i guess so

fuck

[vast forum]

expedient probably safest bet @snow meteor

@onyx hedge i just replaced that deadly momentum for you just to show how good expedient is 😄 imo, you should farm mechagon ringset before putting any corruption on any rings

[lilac sparrow]

it depends on gear
@vast forum I put every haste gears and use 3 expedient but still defeated by sub/TB in 4min+, your sims really beat sub/TB for long encounter?

[vast forum]

yes

5 min sims

[lilac sparrow]

I really want to make that gear.. but don't know how to do 😦

I'm tired to use TB

[vast forum]

do you have 3ss 2hod 1bbi?

[lilac sparrow]

Yeah

[vast forum]

specifically, carapace mythic chest 😄

[lilac sparrow]

but chest is heroic 🙂

that's the problem maybe

[vast forum]

eh, idk

i haven't simmed much standard TB build recently tbh

maybe they're closer than i thought

but my vop major simmed by far the highest last time i simmed TB so i just compared it to my ss exsg sims

[lilac sparrow]

vop major with TB??

[cobalt pelican]

it's uh

exsang simming higher than regular build is very much still going to be a

maybe sometimes

not an all the time

for me they're very competitive with each other

but idk

both have their upsides and downsides

i kinda wanna figure out the best way to force vop minor into exsang

[chilly marsh]

what stats youre going exsang nameless ?

haste>mastery?

[cobalt pelican]

idk i don't think about stats really

but prior to tomorrows patch i wasn't really playing expedient even

like some weird severe hybrid

[snow meteor]

Sorry for noob, these are my stat weights according to raidbots, I see haste is so low so why should I stack the haste corruption?

[shy dust]

Don’t use stat weights

[cobalt pelican]

generally gear is complicated rn so i'm not a big fan of the 'invest expedient invest invest'

[fleet jacinth]

EBx2 rotation for mass aoe is just rupture 3-4 and spam right?

[cobalt pelican]

but i think like

if you don't mind buying something that's bad for you now

but good for you long term

[vast forum]

haste is low because of the gear you currently have

[cobalt pelican]

it's worth buying

[vast forum]

also

haste being low on stat weights could mean you have too much of it

[fleet whale]

umm has anyone ever had lethal strikes as their top source of damage on a kill? lol

[vast forum]

at which point, adding a % amplifier to it means a lot 🙂

[onyx hedge]

@vast forum by the way, that sim that you did, was that with x4 expedients, so one on the 2nd ring and the legs? or is that simming for nothing on the legs and another one on the ring

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gmc9ZWYBiqDQbd6w2LBkPU

[chilly marsh]

well theoretically you can have a BIS list now put all items you want in every slot and put corruption on it

[vast forum]

@onyx hedge i just replaced your ring corruption from DM to expedient on that sim, nothing else

[chilly marsh]

im trying to make a profile for it

[vast forum]

bis lists will also vary by race

[onyx hedge]

so the legs still has expedient, so i need to buy x2 more, i need to make 10k in 3 days

[vast forum]

and even by time of day for night elves

[onyx hedge]

s that possible?

[vast forum]

idk, grind m+ and find out 😄

[onyx hedge]

10k in 3 days, after getting chests?

[vast forum]

each +15 is 225

[onyx hedge]

i was thinking 50-125 increasing on your rank in pvp for wins, just grind that?

[lilac sparrow]

maybe troll is the best race for 3ss exng right?

[onyx hedge]

pvp i think is way quicker

[vast forum]

i think farming m+ is faster

[onyx hedge]

im 2k with a friend :I

with pugs, nah lmao

[vast forum]

hmm

[onyx hedge]

a grp yeah

[vast forum]

maybe if it works for arenas

probably pretty fast if you keep winning 😄

[rustic yarrow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iUJL6ByHs4HfZx8dsadi6y

[snow meteor]

If I post one of my raid bots sims could I get some advice? I'm not looking to sim you guys 85k+ just want to make sure I'm gemming and enchanting etc in the right direction

[rustic yarrow]

Any tips?

[onyx hedge]

thing is im getting myself and my friend to 21. for the 470 corruption pieces, prob worth dropping alittle though, cause its on and off wins at 2k

[vast forum]

ugh, i helped a few ppl out with sims, now the eu servers are back up and i still haven't done my dailies

so can't help more people atm sorry 😛

[rustic yarrow]

No worries @vast forum

[onyx hedge]

u EU ey ? @vast forum

[vast forum]

poke 1 of the community figures, that's what they're here for

yea

4am gamer

[rustic yarrow]

Just any advice to help me try and get to 80/85

[onyx hedge]

im fucking aussie mate, OCE pepelaugh

[vast forum]

it's fuckin morning in aus isn't it?

[onyx hedge]

11:53 am bro

[vast forum]

ah

so noon

[onyx hedge]

ye

[snow meteor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mX36ZZx61hKvnrjzyiwrje

If anyone has a moment should I be getting more haste? I've gone full crit at the moment and I do find without procs I do get a little energy starved at times

[vast forum]

in general

people who wear 2 cara daggers have their haste low on sims

TA doesn't scale with haste

it only scales with crit/vers

but if you replace those corruptions with something else, suddenly, you'll see haste jump a lot

[lilac sparrow]

I know TA doesn't but dont know why

haste definitely boost # of attack and skills

[vast forum]

it's rppm

[cobalt pelican]

you can definitely farm a ton of echoes

before expedient leaves

it's just how much you can be bothered

[vast forum]

has nothing to do with # of attacks and casts

[cobalt pelican]

just avg it out to like 400 an hour or smth

[vast forum]

it's 1 rppm if i'm not mistaken for TA

[cobalt pelican]

you can get more for sure but

[worldly sandal]

i need another 2200 echoes for another expedient 3

to put me at 9

[cobalt pelican]

400 an hr is pretty doable without much trying

[worldly sandal]

and 80k sim

[vast forum]

so regardless of how often you attack, you should have an average of 4 TA procs in a 4 min fight (assuming i'm right about 1 rppm, could very well be wrong)

[grave trail]

what other corrupt worth buying strike for m+ ? or severe

[viral valve]

So it'll be worth it putting expedient on 475 daggers over using 470 cara daggers?

[vast forum]

yes

but instead of doing that, you can get 2x 485 cara daggers and put expedients on those!

[snow meteor]

Isn't there a bug at the moment that you cant corrupt cleansed items?

[cobalt pelican]

i actually wonder if there's some meme blaster stuff you can do as sin m+ now

[vast forum]

doubt

[cobalt pelican]

surely now is the time you can

[uncut cape]

RIP GW :/

[cobalt pelican]

severe raden wep meme

[vast forum]

lol

[grave trail]

yeah just get the 485 cara daggers

[vast forum]

i have 2 of them, i don't see the problem

[grave trail]

you need new ones

[vast forum]

no i don't 🙂

[grave trail]

cuz blizz potato

[snow meteor]

But outside of that thank you for your time, I'll look at getting expedient 3 on some nice daggers, last question - if I start working on expedient 3 should I be gemming and enchanting haste?

[vast forum]

it was tested

[grave trail]

well if you never cleansed

[vast forum]

if the item was obtained before reset

but cleansed after

it works

and i haven't cleansed mine 🙂

[rustic yarrow]

Bliz said you can recorrupt anything with corruption that you get starting after reset today

[grave trail]

yeah we know calm down einstein

[vast forum]

it doesn't matter when you obtain the item

it only matters when you cleanse it

[grave trail]

i know

hence why i said if you never cleansed

[static glacier]

how many expedients can you buy? (eu server, not live yet)

is it limited to one per cycle or as many as you want

[grave trail]

5k each

for rank 3

[snow meteor]

So in summary, a dagger from two weeks ago, cleansed after reset can have a new corruption put on it?

[cobalt pelican]

you can basically farm them as much as you want

but it's not known if eu and na

are on the same cycle

[static glacier]

aight.

[grave trail]

@snow meteor y

[snow meteor]

Thanks :)

[grave trail]

i regret cleansin my bis belt with socket now

[fleet anchor]

Also not totally known if it's a "cycle" or just some random thing

We'll find out eventually I guess 😄

Waiting for the Vendor that is like "Leeching II, Leeching I, Avoidant III, Surging Vitality II"

😄

[vast forum]

surging is pog for tanks

and leech is good for healers 😄

[vast forum]

?

[fleet anchor]

I don't think any healers use Leech do they? It's pretty overcosted iirc

[hollow bridge]

is expedient what we go for? no gushing wounds? feelssadman pepe hands everyoen wanted gushing x9

[fleet jacinth]

MT

nzoth lol

[vast forum]

gushing getting a 35% nerf didn't help its case @hollow bridge

[fleet anchor]

@rigid mango needs to update his pin QQ

[hollow bridge]

@vast forum i know bro, hence I am crying...I wanted to play gushing like everyone else, it might still be strong, have to wait and see i guess

[worldly sandal]

my best drop this season was a 475 socketed logic loop with GW

now im sad

[versed mica]

ik people have probably been asking all day- but expedient for days yeah?

[worldly sandal]

yes, some random combo of expedient/severe/strikethrough probably

[vast forum]

idk why you want to play with random proc corruptions

[worldly sandal]

^^^

[vast forum]

like

you're playing the same game

but numbers are bigger

i prefer crit/haste amplifiers/procs because assa has interactions with those 2 stats at least

[cobalt pelican]

if everyone has gushing gushing isn't even like

idk

[vast forum]

you can feel the game becoming more fun to play when most of your mutilates give 4 cp

[hollow bridge]

do we want proc stat or just increase stat? increase stat is more consistent right? people want damage proc corruptions cos its so passive and fat, if only GW was nerfed like 15%

[vast forum]

or when you just get more energy from haste

[fleet whale]

assassination has a nice pace with haste/crit corruptions

and lucid

[vast forum]

ye

vop major with NP can also be pretty fun 😄

just random energy procs

but at least you feel them

[versed mica]

would it be beneficial to add a pulse or two with expedient?

[vast forum]

no1 knows yet really

[worldly sandal]

i have RP 5 and expedient 6, im simming right now

[fleet whale]

we should just buy a bunch of leech corruption

[worldly sandal]

if i had 55 corruption more in expedient instead

[fleet whale]

use leeching poison, and have like 50% leech

[worldly sandal]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u8MPiLhsvRUedP1TNJwihH

430 DPS difference between 55 corruptions worth of RP or expedient

[fleet anchor]

Gear level is kinda low

[worldly sandal]

RP scales with ilvl then i assume?

i had thought that wasnt the case

or do you mean my gear level in general

[woeful minnow]

simming with all this shit is getting a bit ridiculous, heirloom raidbots isn't gonna cut it anymore

[fleet anchor]

Gear level in general

I mean Expedient is only as good as the rating it's multiplying

[worldly sandal]

i also have low haste yeah

thats fair

[lilac sparrow]

Yeah I finnaly found the gear to beat TB build :):):)

good bye TB

[versed mica]

tfw it's coming back baseline in shadowlands

[lime edge]

is putting expedient on ilvl460 smart

xd

[grizzled mist]

is Strikethrough the go to for SIn as well?

[lime edge]

expedient is

strike isnt at all

[grizzled mist]

oh wow ok. thanks!

[lime edge]

gushing wound is now at 0.1495%

so about 0.15%

after nerfs

[hollow bridge]

@lilac sparrow what is the build can u private message me or let me know the non TB build?

is GW still the play then?

[grizzled mist]

no

[lime edge]

nop

expedient is the play

[hollow bridge]

okay, just go stat ones?

k

thanks ShaxMC!

[lilac sparrow]

3ss 2hod 1bbi, focus on haste and expedients

no coral, use feather

[hollow robin]

Do people use CLF in general for the expedient build? It sims about 1k higher than BotE for me, but i see far more blood parses over CLF

[lime edge]

whats tb

[lilac sparrow]

toxic blade

[lime edge]

oh

a non tb build

wtf

it better be an exs build

o.o

[hollow bridge]

why no coral? is it all about empowering up Garrote?

[surreal solar]

im concerned, sims are saying toss the coral bro, is... this.... a new era?

[hollow bridge]

so u want to snapshot some fat damage onto it?

Coral is dead? YIPPAHEE! 😄

[tropic charm]

IS for shadhar or GW?

[strange python]

So I have two questions. Do I need SS traits for subterfuge? Its swimming higher than MA without the traits but always assumed its what made subterfuge.

2. Worldview is currently simming as my best major even against CLF. Working on getting bote r3 now. Is anyone else using this as a major or is it simming that assuming that multiple people in the group are running it?

[shy dust]

You don’t need to use SS for Sub to beat out MA

[rustic yarrow]

ss?

[untold current]

I dont think you do?

[plain thistle]

no you dont

[untold current]

most ppl running Subt rn arent using SS

[shy dust]

Mistyped

You don’t need SS for sub to best MA

[strange python]

Yea i was wondering because the gear I can opt to have SS but the other traits are siming higher even with subterfuge over ma

Is worldvien really that good now as a major? Or is it just assuming you run with two to three others?

[tropic jackal]

@lime edge where did you find that corruption ranking

[lime edge]

bloodmallet

https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#rogue_assassination?data_view=corruptions&repr=dps_corruption_rating

[tropic jackal]

tyty

expedient is so strong. I guess the top parses on wowlogs are just people stacking twisted app and getting lucky

[glad compass]

does triple shrouded with exanguinate + sub eventually win over sub with a regular combo of double doses nothing personal heart mix?

[steel wagon]

im debating if i wanna stay lol tendy build or go 3x ss expedient

[raw rune]

3ss exp

way to go

[slim lava]

really?

with exsanguinate?

[steel wagon]

i have BIS for tendy thoooo

[slim lava]

now i want to be a BE

[raw rune]

depends on fight

[slim lava]

NE**

[raw rune]

I run r6 tendies on fights like xan where ur moving a lot

but like a patchwork fight, u just want 3ss exp

always gonna win

[steel wagon]

what about like nzoth

tendys really nice on that fight lol

[raw rune]

nzoth is rough cause u have a lot of downtime

[steel wagon]

yeah

[raw rune]

depends on what ur tryna do right

if ur padding on psych

[steel wagon]

nah im pure boss dmg

[raw rune]

then 3ss exp xsang

[steel wagon]

we have our sub rogue on psych lol

[raw rune]

biggest burst shortest amount of time

yuck

sub

xd

[slim lava]

and how fight lenght affects ss build?

[raw rune]

relatively stable

its a dot increase

you're always going to have vanish up every 2 mins

you get 23s of empowered for every vanish

[steel wagon]

So haste crit or haste vers?

[slim lava]

and focus on haste/mastery?

[raw rune]

+1 from start

[steel wagon]

for the ss build

[raw rune]

depends on ur gear man

its all wacky atm

[steel wagon]

i literally have everything

which is why im like uhhhhhhh

[plain thistle]

depends, but probably crit and not mastery

[raw rune]

most likely haste/crit

[steel wagon]

im currently high crit high vers

tendy

but have all the crit haste gear

[raw rune]

low haste sin feels like ur eating butthole

and not the good kind

its sweaty and yuck

[steel wagon]

well my name is sphinctus

[raw rune]

touché

[steel wagon]

imma fuck around with crit haste

[raw rune]

ya gl, I just popped into ravenholdt to see if someone had a hard bis list or not yet lol

[slim lava]

i havent bought anything yet

i w8 till thursday

[raw rune]

ye im gonna just pull the trigger on exp probs

vendor will reset on sat

on a pure dps per corruption level

nothing matches expedient

but eventually you'll have less than optimal corruption

I mean

[steel wagon]

tendys is so fun though lmao

[slim lava]

and no threshold?

[raw rune]

gushing excluded cause im not sure

[raven locust]

Gushings getting a 33% nerf right?

[raw rune]

yeah so like you can have 180 corruption with exp r3s

[slim lava]

35%

[raw rune]

35%

[raven locust]

oof

[raw rune]

but once you get to like 120 resist, which is only like a month or so away, you'll need to put more corruption on

anyone got the max resistance number?

uh

its 3 per week right

[slim lava]

3/week

[raw rune]

currently like 87 or some shit

ye

[slim lava]

i think its less?

maybe

[tall juniper]

77

[raw rune]

87 including essence

cause why the fuck would you not run bote

no

rip

botd

fuck

[slim lava]

reaping flame

[raw rune]

cant say some things in here lol I forget theres the autodelete bot

yeah breath of the dying

[slim lava]

is this exp3 build going to be good for m+?

[raw rune]

ye bro

hast/crit

pump them foks

just run 3ss 3eb

you'll fucking pump

[slim lava]

ill try that

[raw rune]

with bote major+hidden blades talent

thats what I run

[slim lava]

currently i run td4

[raw rune]

fuck

so many things you cant say lol

[slim lava]

lol

[raw rune]

im dumb and only pull 80-90k

[slim lava]

im considering cleansing my td to put expedient

[raw rune]

overall

[slim lava]

my rogue doesnt have many choices

[raw rune]

but ymmv as always

depends on tanks+dungeon

[slim lava]

sorry but

whats ymmv

[raw rune]

your mileage may vary lol

[slim lava]

oh

[raw rune]

what works for me may be better or worse for youi

other factors involved

[slim lava]

ye

of course

[raw rune]

just a disclamer lol

im not a huge fan of td on sin

feel like you dont do dmg with it

does nothing compared to like dk/fury warr

or tanks

cause they have a higher healthpool

[slim lava]

but im only getting td on my rogue

its not like i had a choice

[raw rune]

ye lol

[slim lava]

i would rather run appendage

[raw rune]

I have like r10 td

its gay

[last crown]

how truly important is Blood rank 3 for mythic parsing?

[raw rune]

on some fights, very

good luck getting hive parses without it

[slim lava]

u can basically run it in all scenarios and it will perfom well

[last crown]

that timegate is killing my interest to get it and swap to sin

[raw rune]

but most st things you can run clf

90% of the time I run clf

sims higher for me

[last crown]

what about conflict and strife

[raw rune]

30k honour aint hard

[last crown]

im just hugely turned off by the timegates

[raw rune]

personally I dont have c+s lol

[slim lava]

i farmed bote3 from zero in one week

just get mercenary buff and run ebg all day

[raw rune]

im a lazy engineering student pleb with not enough free time to do everything

[last crown]

last q on potential requirements

how truly important is mythic coral

[raw rune]

I have a 450

its +700dps

[serene osprey]

just play "defense" in bgs

[raw rune]

over 460 titanshard/465 galecallers

so not much

[last crown]

i got a 475 deadeye and playing outlaw but not loving how pad-reliant outlaw is to parse and guild app

[raw rune]

but as always

ymmv

[vapid scarab]

i mean assa is also pad reliant

everything is pad reliant this late in the tier

[last crown]

i mean true, but outlaw padding feels less enjoyable imo

[raw rune]

parsing is pad reliant lol

always has always will

[last crown]

basically, if i wanted to swap from outlaw to sin, am i gonna be gigafucked by having dragonscale/deadeye for trinkets, and not having BoTE

[raw rune]

no

deadeye is fine

for m+ you will be cucked tho

[serene osprey]

you can just play outlaw on aoe fights too

[rancid bobcat]

you can run beam just fine until you grind out blood

[raw rune]

you can run memebeam

[serene osprey]

technically

[last crown]

i get a once-a-week carry through M+ because i hate M+, more concerned about raid

[raw rune]

sim it

[last crown]

simming best essences and gear sets that im nowhere near having will take ages, figured itd be easier to check just how important conflict+strife and coral are

[raw rune]

sim ur current gear lol

personally im at 90k without coral/c+s

with non-IS builds

[last crown]

im still catching up (returned two weeks ago), more curious about at the higher end

and whether or not its viable to just not farm em

[glad compass]

so how much expedient are we aiming for

for the triple SS build

[raw rune]

ALL OF THE EXPEDIENTS

game feels pretty good at 200% haste lol

[last crown]

is expedient stacking the plan now? the top ones look like mostly TA

[raw rune]

yes because they're good rng pulls

what you dont see on top logs is bad rng my friend

what you are after is consistency

[last crown]

what im after is catching logs up so i can app to nonshit places despite coming back to the game so late 😦

[raw rune]

then you want consistently good damage

you dont want 1 85 and 4 15s right

[last crown]

i mean i want to get back to the all 99s, but may betoo late in the tier

[raw rune]

99s are short kill times and high corruption my friend

[last crown]

i know i know, i hate being this far behind

[soft kayak]

i finally got my first gushing piece of the whole tier and now its gone why live

[onyx hedge]

wait

so you can only buy 1 corrupotion?

per rotation?

[raw rune]

no

not afaik

[onyx hedge]

Ok , i was talking to my guild, i think our shard is fucke

because the corruptiosn are not showing upo

[round nimbus]

so what are the best corruptions for us toi run?

[onyx hedge]

expedient

with ss hod stack

with exsang

[raw rune]

its a bug

[onyx hedge]

ah okay that makes more sense

[round nimbus]

what is ss hod stack

[onyx hedge]

I had someone invite meot a diff phase and i can see thenm

SS is shrouded suffocation and HoD is Heart of Darkness

you want to aim for x3 of each

so the raid pieces are what you want, Raden helm, carapce chest and ilgynoth shoulders

[raw rune]

no

gorak tuls

[onyx hedge]

depends

sometimes the ilgy's are simmig better

im running Gorak tuls atm, but for some others its better

i answered the question on waht they were

[last crown]

yeah deleted just saw

[soft kayak]

is expedient every slot literally best?

[raw rune]

no

[onyx hedge]

i dont think every slot

[raw rune]

as stated previously

[soft kayak]

ye thought not

[onyx hedge]

i would suggest running like rank 9-12?

[raw rune]

you'll have less corruption than you're able to run

[soft kayak]

whats the other slots then racing pulse, severe, strikethrough?

[raw rune]

I mean, r3 exp until you need to wear more right

unless you're scaling higher with some other stat

[soft kayak]

yea im glad i finally got gushing and now they made gearing this patch even more convoluted

[whole snow]

anyone know if its possible to buy a preserved contaminant with an alt and use it on boe? if it remain boe

[raw rune]

would assume it would bind

but not sure

may be same as socketing

[slim lava]

so we run zero np?

[raw rune]

yeah

shit fucks up timings

[feral creek]

What corruption can u buy this rotation?

[raw rune]

check the vendor

[civic hatch]

how would np fuck up timings?

[raw rune]

rip

no mb

was thinking of visions/np build

but still no

better options on other gear

[steel wagon]

So like, people were saying we dont wanna use coral anymore?

whats the go to now

[raw rune]

coral still op for what it is

but not a necessity

if you're running a million expedients tho it'll probably be outsimmed by a galecallers or something

[dusky oxide]

what essences are you finding the best with 3x SS? much the same?

[raw rune]

bote major if using xsang

but nothing really different

[vital haven]

anyone know how to sim with the gw nerf?

[dusky oxide]

well this is awkward.. i was using bote anyway?

[slim lava]

so i should be running BotE major with breath of the dying+lucid dreams+?????

[raw rune]

bote/clf major, one can sim higher than the other

as non xsang

take everything people say with a grain of salt

and know that ymmv

everything depends on your gear combination/corruption

[last crown]

would 475 socket deadeye functionally be within range of coral or galecaller so i dont have to keep farming MEP and shitty keys?

[raw rune]

sim it

I don't know your gear setup

[last crown]

i dont even have daggers yet, i cant realistically sim what that would look like in a decent setup

[raw rune]

then look at bloodmallet trinkets

[last crown]

im dumb for not thinking of that

[vital haven]

in my experience any comination of vita, spyglass, plummage will be better than coral

and if it isnt its gonna be functionally close to it

no need to run EP anymore imo

[raw rune]

with comparable ilvl ofc

[vital haven]

ye 475

if you have a 475 spyglass with a socket thats more than good enough imo

[raw rune]

^

[ornate gazelle]

Has anyone simmed stacking haste percent? How close is it to stacking tendie in sims?

~ 59 corruption

[onyx hedge]

way better

with exsang

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gmc9ZWYBiqDQbd6w2LBkPU that is just mine

there will be people at 100k+

[ornate gazelle]

Is haste build with triple ss better than tendies?

[onyx hedge]

yse

[raw rune]

82 corruption 4head

[onyx hedge]

its the best build at the moment

everyone keeps fucking telling me this and i have an excuse for it

get the fuck out of it

[raw rune]

LMAO

[onyx hedge]

im not oging to run 80 corruption in raid

sick of explaning it