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#assassination
wet ruin
get the loot while you can 😄
slim lava
is it worth to ignore haste for m+ when using ss with eb?
sour glade
Yeah you want crit and mastery for m+
vast forum
haste isn't as bad as some ppl make it out to be tho
but yea, aim for crit and mastery
junior atlas
can you corrupt crafted gear any1 knows?
pearl oxide
How is assassination at low gear levels? I just got 120 on my rogue (returning player after 5ish months) and have heard assassination is good end game, but not sure if I should stick to another spec until I get gear or just go in.
vagrant egret
I also recently hit 120 and haven’t had a problem doing comparable dps since heirlooms-now i440
hollow jungle
has there been any change to the standard MA build for ST? I've been seeing some exhang talk, which I presume is with subt build for ST, is this a thing?
fast pine
Guys. Out of curiosity, what is the higher mono sim you have ever seen for a rogue under 59 corruption. ( patchwork 5min )
drifting cloud
105k~
agile phoenix
any sim gods help me get more dmg out of my character plz?
fast pine
Im trying to sim for fun using gear compare to see how high a rogue ca go (without full gems). But cant go higher than 93k with full gushing wounds
vast forum
try expedients
coral 455 vita 475
@hollow jungle most people use subterfuge regardless of TB/exsg
MA got outscaled cuz we have too much crit
fast pine
Im gonna try the full expedient sim.
lone charm
Master poision for mythic+ ??
scarlet sequoia
no
lone charm
cheers
hollow jungle
oh no shit...do i use SS stacking still then? @vast forum
jovial haven
Why would exsang matter for SS. Exsang doesnt increase Garrote dmg, and it doesnt give you any more Vanishes/restealths. I guess if you got your last vanish in right at the end of a fight it might let you squeeze the last ticks in before the boss dies, but that should be pretty minor.
lone charm
is it worth using Blood of enemy rank 2 over Flame rank 3?
drifting cloud
rancid bobcat
it just works
vast forum
@jovial haven you can get more SS ticks in vendetta/hero 
jovial haven
that makes sense
arctic walrus
Your normal bleeds already are more powerful than mut without dd and a good amount of haste
Exsang lets you fit more in over the course of the fight
jovial haven
i understand why exsang is a dps increase. I didnt understand how it would synergize with SS
stray folio
is vendor up ??
carmine dawn
what are the ezpz bis azerites for ST? 1x NP, 1x SS, stack ttn/dd?
umbral scaffold
What do you guys think that the best corruption stacking will be? Full out Gushing or expedient stack with exsan?
rancid bobcat
im going to check since someone in my guild said so
thin holly
Vendor is up confirmed
umbral scaffold
Vendor is up yeah
thin holly
Expedient rank 3 is up for 5k echoes
rancid bobcat
FUCK
umbral scaffold
You can easily get 5k before the next cycle tho if you want one
umbral scaffold
crimson palm
Are the vendors region or realm specific?
vast forum
@stray folio depends on your gear, some people sim highest with 3ss, some with 3dd and some with 3np
rancid bobcat
if i had been eligible for echoes i could've bought like 5 expedient 3s
umbral scaffold
Imagine being in a worse position because you played the game and got every essence
umbral scaffold
Indeed
I'm really wondering what would be the best, Expedient + 1 racing pulse or full out gushing
Gonna be fun to see
scarlet sequoia
expedient + gushing
chilly marsh
only wish my main could be saving echos...
people with alts stakc with 30k+
me with 0
fringe socket
hey is it random what rank of twisted appendage i get when i buy it from mother?
fringe socket
thank you
carmine dawn
can anyone throw me a tl;dr of raid gear bis azerites?
turbid galleon
Look at warcraft logs
mellow pier
minor thicket
Do you guys use strikethrough?
summer cedar
What are the two bis stats for Assassination. Haste + crit?
slim lava
is it stupid to buy masterful for m+?
civic hatch
any corruption worth buying this week? or wait f or gushing
minor thicket
Strikethrough
civic hatch
gushing should cost 4125 based on the currently available corruption shown
peak jungle
I hope it's that low
placid dawn
should i buy the expedient 3 corruptions
or are other corruptions better? like gushing and so on
civic hatch
rip boys
We’re working on a hotfix that will reduce the damage done by the Gushing Wound Corruption Effect by 35%. We expect to make this change with maintenance in each region next week, starting on May 26.
While we tend to only make changes like this in regular balance patch intervals, Gushing Wound is currently the most efficient of all Corruption Effects. When making changes to Corruption Effects, we previously decided to leave it as-is, because there is only one rank available and Gushing Wound is a rare and relatively difficult Corruption to acquire. However, with this week’s updates that make Corruption Effects available from MOTHER, we expect that stacking large amounts of Gushing Wound will be even more efficient than Infinite Stars, which has explicit downsides when multiple targets are present.
We’ll have the change outlined in our Hotfixes Update soon after it goes live next week.
scarlet sequoia
idk why u are all so horny for gushing wounds lmao
there are literally better corruptions
minor thicket
where did you see this?
scarlet sequoia
fleet anchor
@scarlet sequoia I mean, GW really is the most efficient one. Or, should I say, was. 😛
rough agate
so what will you be going for raz
fleet anchor
Now really only leaves Expedient stacking as the only option for Assassination probably
rough agate
or are you set
scarlet sequoia
expedient + racing pulse i guess
chilly marsh
yup just goign to buy all i can
fleet anchor
So make sure to do farming this week before Friday
chilly marsh
tehy will rotate 22
chilly marsh
we will only expedient 3 again in 1 month
fleet anchor
FeelsAltsMan
chilly marsh
^
fleet anchor
Warrior alt in my guild just went out and bought Expedient 9
chilly marsh
my main have fuckign 0
fleet anchor
It's a total joke
civic hatch
yup
chilly marsh
blizzard is a joke nowdays really
civic hatch
smol indy company
outer rune
i mean in a month or 2 this all will be irrelevant and u will play what u want in max potential
i don't see why it's a joke tbh
civic hatch
cus ppl could farm 30k echoes on their alts
chilly marsh
everyoen that rerols now have 30k coin
outer rune
better than competing with this guy that has 7 gushing wounds cuz of rng
civic hatch
while mains get 0
civic hatch
new main who dis
dim yacht
vital haven
hell mains can get like 6xr3 expedients if they didnt get their rank 3 essences
its fucking bullshit
outer rune
why does it matter again tho ? progress is done
vital haven
or for some ppl progress is not done
like ye sure obv this will not matter in a some months
chilly marsh
progess is done why are we playing tis game ?
vital haven
hell bfa wont matter when SL comes out
civic hatch
@outer rune progress done for you, does that mean its done for everyone else playing?
vital haven
why is that an argument
chilly marsh
why we are paying for somehting already done boys
vital haven
everyone unsub i guess
civic hatch
bfa is done guys, lets play sl
chilly marsh
unsub the game is done lol
outer rune
i don't see your argument either parse ? parse is a joke there are ppl with 5 gushing wounds u will parse vs them without the vendor
crimson palm
Hope vendor is consistent between us and eu
soft warren
rip gushing wound
outer rune
or w/e the alt was with stacked echoes
vital haven
ye i guess it doesnt matter w/e
serene wyvern
is the classic build with DD viable guyz?
outer rune
im just saying that in 1 month it will be irrelevant, right now it's worse if u were unlucky with corruption there is no way to parse
minor thicket
why wouldnt ppl be playing DD?
fleet whale
people still play DD
tawny shell
Love GW nerf and now our bis is up first week 😄 . Now we wait 1 month to get bis again
fleet whale
it's overall still more popular
chilly marsh
worst outcome ever
1 week without coin lol
guess we can do 100 +15 in 3 days to buy it like
alts
vast forum
@scarlet sequoia think it's full expedient now with GW nerf?
obviously, sims will favour stars with that much haste but i'm talking real scenarios 😄
scarlet sequoia
idk maybe a ton of expedients + a void ritual or something is good
fleet whale
stars will get worse with more people getting corruption
vast forum
i don't think racing pulse is very good tho 😛
scarlet sequoia
i mean
vast forum
maybe with a bunch of expedients
scarlet sequoia
i use it
fleet whale
idk
scarlet sequoia
but ye
fleet whale
it procs a crap ton
vast forum
but the proc isn't hasted
if you have a shitton of haste already you don't benefit much from it
polar cape
1star and everything expediant so we can be pretend dh
minor thicket
whats a shit on ?
fleet whale
if you run DD it's gonna be crit stuff
scarlet sequoia
probably just a void ritual instead then @vast forum
magic fossil
expedient or severe bois?
vast forum
VR proc is hasted, right?
fleet whale
exsang it's gonna be expedient
maybe everyone in the raid will run one VR
cause that corruption might be decent if everyone uses it
peak jungle
What about just running mind flays?
vast forum
i'm wondering if we'll use a few severes because at some point expedient gets DR
mind flays all the way for RNGesus
vast forum
@fleet whale you don't get any extra benefit past 2 extra ppl using it
vast forum
that's a LOT of gear compares
vast forum
yea
minor thicket
if im playing DD and haste is at 28% im likely better to go towards Strike correct?
crimson palm
Exp + Severe should work for the following weeks
rancid obsidian
Is the trader already live?
crimson palm
~180 corruption across 9 items
fleet whale
yes
rancid obsidian
Where is he?
woeful minnow
it's mother
scarlet sequoia
4x 12% haste 2x 12% crit 1 void ritual rank 3 maybe the move
warm arrow
are you EU alex
woeful minnow
that's because you're EU
rancid obsidian
oh
plush remnant
Where’s the sim nerd when you need em?
silver musk
sorry if you talked about early but did echoes currency reseted or ?
crimson palm
Ye t12 seems to be a soft cap on expedients
scarlet sequoia
no
crimson palm
I've t9 with t3 severe atm and t3 exp is 600 dps upgrade
scarlet sequoia
just around 50% haste
scarlet sequoia
im at 46.5% haste but thats with racing pulse t3
crimson palm
Hope we get same vendor tomorrow
low girder
it changes with assault swaps
woeful minnow
yes, it "flips" on friday
rancid obsidian
when will it go live on eu?with weekly reset?
torn bear
My GW that I still have not got 1 piece of just got nerfed
crimson palm
Is the cleansed item confirmed? Apparently you can recorrupt items with predetermined corruption
fleet anchor
some sim nerd will do the work i hope
Just for that, I'm not telling you Raz! 😛
crimson palm
According to warlock discord
drifting cloud
yeah if you cleanse it after patch
scarlet sequoia
thats a compliment bro
fleet anchor
😄
But yeah this definitely pushes Assassination down the Expedient route for sure I think
rancid bobcat
items have to be purified starting from this reset supposedly
fleet anchor
Question for what to fill it with at full budget but I would say probably most people should grab as many of the Expedient IIIs this week as they can afford
And figure it out later
😛
fleet anchor
VR is probably not a bad idea yeah, gonna be VR or Racing Pulse probably
rancid bobcat
static glacier
but..but I want Severe 😦
scarlet sequoia
well koji eventually expedient will dr
so u prolly take some severe
which would make void ritual better than racing pulse
fleet anchor
Could be yeah, I know the BiS Hunter sim is running a mix of Expedient III + Severe III but they have strong value from both by default
I need to check some things with an updated budget/neck ilevel
static glacier
anyone looked into running a TA focused build?
fleet anchor
So I'll nerd it out over the next couple days if someone else doesn't do it 😛
static glacier
kek
slim olive
raidbots got updated with the vendor btw
scarlet sequoia
TA focused build
young portal
do you get bonus echoes from having masks on in the visions? or nah?
drifting cloud
you dont
static glacier
I can see GW being nerfed for pvp
drifting light
Ah gonna cleanse that shit out of carapace dagger rly quick
fleet anchor
TA is your best bet if you like generic things or casino parses 😄
static glacier
TA could be new go to for pvp
young portal
you dont
@drifting cloud cheers
limber lion
So, what's gonna be the go to corruption now that Gushing Wound is destroyed?
frozen karma
so can you cleanse an item you never cleansed before (not new) and put a corruption?
crimson palm
Ye
fleet anchor
For as much as people say IS is "simbait", I've been using the term "parsebait" to describe TA lol
limber lion
Can I finally scrap my Twisted Appendages and get Expedients or something to replace em? I despise the rng factor of the tentacles
fleet anchor
I think TA is "fine" but it's not fantastic and I don't think I'd ever buy it from the vendor
Especially due to the cost ratios
Primarily you should focus on buying rare, cheap, efficient corruptions from the vendor to maximize your value
frozen karma
so we're gonna end up running expedient r3 everywhere and maybe keep the TA on daggers by the end of the xpac I guess?
fleet anchor
TA already drops by default on our daggers which is basically "free" Echoes if you want to look at it that way
The relative value of high corruption budget drops just increased a lot when you have to pay per corruption cost
static glacier
is that confirmed how they're treating it?
fleet anchor
Like if you get a TA3 drop you are "saving" 13k echoes
static glacier
doing some preliminary maths on what we had I found roughly 1.5x increase per rank
fleet anchor
Yes, the price on the vendor is just based on the corruption cost
wraith flume
Is 3 NP 2 DD and 1 SS the go-to ST build for traits?
and 3 SS and 3 EB the go to aoe build?
static glacier
SS is not go to for ST
vast forum
do you guys think the items that we got before this reset will be re-corruptable if we cleanse them AFTER the reset?
fleet anchor
I assume so
wraith flume
i r bad rogue haha
static glacier
well not unless you're running 3
fleet anchor
But 🍝 who knows
vast forum
@wraith flume sim your options, depending on your gear, any of SS/DD/NP can come out on top
fleet anchor
I will test in a little bit Yoppa
crimson palm
do you guys think the items that we got before this reset will be re-corruptable if we cleanse them AFTER the reset?
@vast forum only matters that you cleanse after reset apparently
scarlet sequoia
well the new corruption option thing on raidbots is completely useless
fleet anchor
I just cleansed 485 boots I got last week from Carapace
woeful minnow
you can corrupt cleansed items right now
fleet anchor
That had Vers on them when they dropped
woeful minnow
it's already fixed
fleet anchor
But I don't quite have 5k yet to buy Expedient 3
crimson palm
Koji how much from chest?
near coyote
whats the diff about a regular assault from the black empire and Aqir/Amathet/Mantid/Mogu Assaults like what are these?
crimson palm
Echoes from weekly m chest
crimson palm
So that plus assaults and some visions
frozen karma
I feel like mage, warriors etc that are already OP will outshine us even more 
crimson palm
You can grind out 10k easily
woeful minnow
fleet anchor
Yeah I have like 3k atm from just doing emmisary and 1 HV
But I have raid tonight so I'll deal with it later
woeful minnow
ironically the best way to farm echoes right now is arenas
fleet anchor
I have a lot of currency so I can spam HVs
I had 90k going into this week
So I can get like 8k+ from HVs
vapid scarab
@woeful minnow not till they fix it, m+ and arenas still give pre-buff amounts
fleet anchor
If I spam before Friday
woeful minnow
no? I'm getting 100/win in 2s
static glacier
@crimson palm What build do you run that is optimal with 1 SS for ST?
woeful minnow
well it's fluctuating a lot for some reason, but it's around 100
scarlet sequoia
it depends on ur rating
slim lava
any words from blizz about droprate of echoes on m+??
drifting cloud
15 per key lvl
vernal flume
they fixed it already
rancid bobcat
is it?
slim lava
ty
vernal flume
guildie just got 210 from a 14
tropic charm
So if I have an expedient on pants that are 445 but have 475 pants, should I apply the exp on the new pants or an uncorrupted piece of gear
surreal solar
so, sim it yeah, but Theoretically: with gush nerf inbound, for aoe TD and for ST crit % or haste %?
fleet anchor
But it's OK, alt Warrior in our guild just went and bought 3x Expedient 3 and simming at 96k with zero sockets 🤣
I'm salty lol
drifting cloud
yeah my warr has 125 echoes
river robin
@surreal solar that sounds right
fleet anchor
They really should have just given mains a bunch of currency.. or wiped it
This was such a bad compromise
minor thicket
@surreal solar that sounds right
@river robin which crit or haste for ST?
surreal solar
@river robin thanks, i finally get to escape TA horror
fleet anchor
I'm actually legitimately angry that I bought the last one on my Hunter alt just to be completionist
Like a month ago
I'd be sitting on bank right now
😛
little root
why is the vendor gone now?
rancid bobcat
might be just phased
scarlet sequoia
went for a walk
stray folio
So gushing nerf by 35 percent is expedient the play ?
scarlet sequoia
yes
surreal solar
or severe, depends on sims
chilly marsh
maybe will be worth having one with lots of haste?
GW is so ahead that might not be that bad after nerf
mellow hornet
I have two pieces with Expedient 3..now to stack a third
minor thicket
35% is alot
tough skiff
Whats the Bis corruption now that Gushing wound is poop?
crimson palm
Vop major with IT/Exp stacking let's go
echo cargo
tame sigil
At least Severe and Expedient are not reliant on RNG
tough skiff
mother is selling Exp r3 this week
jovial haven
not 35% though
rancid bobcat
Did herodamage resim the gw nerf already?
mellow hornet
I was thinking a 35% wasn't as bad if you stacked 2 with the rat being exp
untold current
herodmg wouldnt sim until its live im pretty sure
rancid bobcat
Also I don't think herodamage sims exsang which is what expedient is good on
chilly marsh
we need to wait to sims to confirm
jade echo
expe is good with out exsangue
rancid bobcat
It's even better though with it
chilly marsh
yes 35%
upper wedge
gw nerf is next week
rancid bobcat
We already have the proof from logs of people who got giga lucky with expedient anyway
onyx hedge
My exsang build only simming 87k PepoSAD
raid build sims 90k
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mwAY3HA985yAs6V9xPB95V azerite is trash pepelaugh
Raden after 5 kills has only given me the trinket lmao
no head Pepehands
jade echo
so the play is exsangue for sure next week ?
onyx hedge
its always been better if you have enough expedients
well its been better recently once people started getting alot of them
so if you can buy like x3 expedients at r3 u chilln
jade echo
yea but exsangue is better just beacause is no ?
onyx hedge
guy in my guild has 16k on his warrior, x3 expedients without doing anything pepehands
dawn rock
oh expedients is the way to go with gw nerf?
onyx hedge
baseline exsang isnt better, but with expidients it is, without anything TB will be better
serene wyvern
so expedient stack with SS build
onyx hedge
its only once you get insane gear exsang is better
serene wyvern
with exanguinate
jade echo
was thinking exsangue > tb cuz with gear you gain insane IS procs
onyx hedge
you dont run IS ever lmao
its trash, there are basically no st fights in raid, and they all are very easy so they die to fast
and if you run IS with exsang it will sim so much lower IS will not make up the differnece
jade echo
okok
onyx hedge
siming maybe yeah, but performance based no, IS always simed unnecessarily high
jade echo
then exp stacking it is
jade echo
hod ?
onyx hedge
Heart of darkness
jade echo
okok
onyx hedge
for the extra stat
minor thicket
simple question cause they're are alot of conversations. DD build Strikethrough over edpedient?
scarlet sequoia
no
strange python
bought 2 expedient
onyx hedge
especially with r3 expedient being sold
scarlet sequoia
just to throw it out there
u can cleanse the mythic 485 dagger and put a different corruption on it
strange python
should i buy one more? i'm already 31% haste
onyx hedge
got that, then i bought another expident before doing anything so i should have r9 expedient pog
tame sigil
Is it worth still running a couple of Tendies Rank 2 on the Carapace weapons and then stack Expedient?
strange python
and i cant modify items who were cleansed
cobalt pelican
is gw post nerf really not worth it on daggers at least
i guess 35% is a big number
torn bear
I mean it doesn't really matter what piece they are on
onyx hedge
hmm, that is waht i wanted to ask, what peopel going for exsang builds trinket wise? Vita nad what?
scarlet sequoia
vita and plumage
tame sigil
I use Golden Plumage cause its a little easier than Ashvane trinket
cobalt pelican
sure it matters
onyx hedge
is ashvane trinket still better than plumage? i wouldnt think so
onyx hedge
i been seeing vita plumage all over the warcraft log top parses
scarlet sequoia
coral is not that good with exsang no
tame sigil
My plumage is 475 and it only sims -400dps less then my 455 Ashvane
onyx hedge
yeah was what i was thinking
scarlet sequoia
a lot of fights rn are short ish so coral loses value
onyx hedge
eyah so my 455 coral might be better than 465 plumage
scarlet sequoia
and a lot of fights dont work well with coral
tame sigil
Yeah I don't like coral for when you need to target swap
onyx hedge
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/s3iDgfi5BjGz698buRv5ey pog, ITS SIMMING SAME AS MY RAID BUILD, fuck yes
IM FREE FROM 1+ YEAR OF TB
surreal solar
so... for people who arent going exsang is expedient still worth getting?
scarlet sequoia
yes.
minor thicket
why
drifting cloud
becues its a different build
scarlet sequoia
so u can swap to DS
tame sigil
Probably depends on the fight, stick with what you're comfortable with imo
drifting cloud
ok nice discord makes 20 msgs appear ty
surreal solar
i didnt think about that, DS comes back to play with more haste derp
finite cloud
im bad at acronyms. what is DS?
minor thicket
ds?
cobalt pelican
deeper stratgaem
finite cloud
ooooh ty
minor thicket
anyone have a DD build they can link on raidbots?
minor thicket
comparison
chilly marsh
one thing i was thinking we can have an absolute bis set up now.
pick items and add corruption
minor thicket
master assassin Double dose build to see how others are makign their builkd
onyx hedge
dont use ma
surreal solar
^
minor thicket
why
rancid bobcat
You can just look at shadhar logs, maybe xanesh and maut
onyx hedge
subterfuge is better that MA
and now exsnag is better than the both of them weith expedient
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8JAxWzctA1FK7fGLrwj72M if you want, there is one of mine
but i have gotten my exsang build simming very close
like with 300dps and im just running it anyway, cause fuck TB
i think that is an old one though :I
rancid bobcat
You go 3x double dose, then whatever amount of NP, heart of darkness, blight born if you have it
minor thicket
what about SS?
lime edge
outlaw is giga fucked by gw nerf
rancid bobcat
I'd say give assa a shot esp with expedient available now cause it'll be new
minor thicket
You go 3x double dose, then whatever amount of NP, heart of darkness, blight born if you have it
@rancid bobcat I thought you needed SS when you play subterfuge?
rancid bobcat
O
lime edge
now im thinking of just not palying outlaw at all
lilac sparrow
GW will nerfed 35% and our second choice will be expedient
rancid bobcat
I mean to me outlaw is pretty boring
slim lava
so our mastery buff our gushing wound dmg?
lime edge
just stack expedient 3
plain thistle
no
tame sigil
Just gear them both Shax
rancid bobcat
@rancid bobcat I thought you needed SS when you play subterfuge?
@minor thicket no you do not
lilac sparrow
Then I think 3ss build will become more popular
tame sigil
And switch depending on the boss
lime edge
expedient is best overall
tame sigil
Outlaw better on some fights and Assa better on others
lime edge
yea but leike
if i gear both at same time
the gearing slows down
independently
for example
tame sigil
Not really. You get a drop from a boss with haste/mastery. No good for outlaw, keep it for assa
lime edge
do i want to use my reroll on unguent or on shard of the black empire
thats what i mean
tame sigil
Reroll on both
tough skiff
how many exp r3 is optimal? x4 ?
tame sigil
They are really all you should be rerolling on by now
lime edge
since i reroll coral
scarlet sequoia
its hard to say how many are optimal @tough skiff
dawn rock
eh not worth imo
tame sigil
Coral isn't as big of an upgrade compared to Mythic Ungeunt Caress though
lime edge
its pretty close
surreal solar
are we finally able to replace coral? i'd love to take something else
lime edge
actually
dawn rock
i fucking hate coral
tough skiff
@scarlet sequoia should I start buying exp or wait?
tame sigil
2X Mythic Unguent Caress over the Heroic ones is a 5k dps increase for me
rancid bobcat
I'd buy it now tbh
lime edge
im not getting mythic unguents any time soon
but also
assassination cant use unguent
lol
tame sigil
I use them both and I think that works out best personally. Dont need to fuck around with tomes in raid. Just switch Assa ST and Outlaw for cleave. Easy
surreal solar
it rotates on tuesday/friday
lime edge
rotates twice a week
woeful minnow
yes that is what he said
tropic charm
I know someone already asked and there was answer already, but how many expedients is the soft cap
lime edge
dont think there is a cap
rancid bobcat
Why would there be a soft cap
lime edge
your corruption is your soft cap
lol
pretty sure he means, the point where there are diminishing returns
nova basalt
So we should be stacking exp3 if we can
lime edge
not a literal soft cap in game
tropic charm
That’s what I meant
rancid bobcat
You can probably try simming shit
woeful minnow
I wish we had the corruption schedule in advance
scarlet sequoia
@tough skiff buy
strange python
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5T5yPgZ9nhMe7JUiJDiGUZ What i should change?
tropic charm
My bad, was reading a guild message as I was typing
rancid bobcat
Just make a bis gear set then vary the amount of crit/haste corruptions
strange python
I have a uncleansed carapace dagger on my inv
honest basin
Quick question, is there a macro that allows me to make a tooltip be TB if I pick TB and Exsang if I pick Exsang ? I mean, I know the macro to make the spell in the bats change depending on talent pick, which will change the tooltip. What if, for reasons, I want to display the CD 2 times with a macro such as :
#showtooltip Toxic Blade
/cast Mutilate
How do I make the tooltip change with that kind of stuff ? Is it even possible?
rancid bobcat
More sockets better azerite @strange python
long portal
#showtooltip
/cast [talent:6/2] Toxic Blade
/cast [talent:6/3] Exsanguinate
limber lion
#showtooltip
/cast [talent:6/2]Toxic Blade; [talent:6/3]Exsanguinate
honest basin
Read me again please
What if I want to display the CF a second time on a macro that casts another spell
surreal solar
maybe i can bench coral for spyglass... or plumage
rancid bobcat
Exsang likes plumage
surreal solar
dont like exsang
rancid bobcat
Then just play plumage
scarlet sequoia
i swear someone has to do an exsang build guide already
too many people get confused
its tilting to see
honest basin
The issue I have is the first whatever changes :p
fleet jacinth
quasi pewter
do one @scarlet sequoia
vast forum
@scarlet sequoia you did a nice rbg guide, can also do an exsg 🙂
quasi pewter
honest basin
Hey one more question on the Exsang build!
long portal
Exsang is really strong with very good gear, expedient corruption, and good kill times
surreal solar
<- bad kill times
long portal
tb(normal build) is still good under those conditions
scarlet sequoia
okay heres the deal
im just gonna say it how it is
every single good rogue with good gear is playing the exsang build now
surreal solar
im a filthy casual, eat me
honest basin
Since the buffed Garrote under Exsang doesnt last for the entire Vendetta, why is plumage better than badge ? Badge would be a greater dmg increase for the duration of the Garrote no ?
idle pasture
has anyone looked into inneffable truth stacking builds with high mastery and nothing personal traits? kinda like back when that was super strong in both cata and then further into legion when nothing personal used to reduce CD time.
fleet anchor
Haha
scarlet sequoia
if you see a good log without exsang build etc, check the corruption theyre running and their damage breakdown, most of the time its insane rng on either infinite stars or tentacles
theres not much to it
lilac sparrow
Currupt vender live already??
tropic charm
If I have a 445 pair of pants with expedient, but have 475 pants that are about a 20% upgrade, should I wait and put expedient on another piece of gear first, or get the pants upgraded?
scarlet sequoia
right
quasi pewter
dont check my shadhar log
fleet anchor
Raz, are you sad you're gonna not be the only Rogue with like Expedient 24? 😄
quasi pewter
no rng just haste
scarlet sequoia
i wasnt already koji
quasi pewter
onyx hedge
yo, exsang feels just like a breath of fresh air, after a tier and a half of TB
holy shit
vast forum
@scarlet sequoia thoughts on #tc-research ?
fleet anchor
I only have 1 existing Expedient 3 piece.. QQ
surreal solar
i'm just weird, i dont enjoy exsang
fleet anchor
But if I tryhard maybe I can get 3 items before the reset
onyx hedge
@surreal solar have you played TB for the last tier and a half?
vast forum
vend is hasted
surreal solar
i've played tb since tb dropped
onyx hedge
LOL
scarlet sequoia
have u actually tested it
vast forum
yes
onyx hedge
then i dont know @surreal solar
quasi pewter
id honestly not even risk it incase of lag or something
scarlet sequoia
maybe u need input lag
vast forum
no
serene wyvern
what should the stat weight look with expedient?
lilac sparrow
hey NA guys do you have corruption vender now?
vast forum
i knew this since uldir
serene wyvern
i mean i already have 3 r3Expedient
tough skiff
vendor is up
vast forum
tested in raid yday
scarlet sequoia
logging in to check
scarlet sequoia
ok
vast forum
i've done it consistently with no lag
lilac sparrow
god... I don't have enough echo this week
scarlet sequoia
farm then
fleet anchor
You can get 4 globals into Subterfuge but I am not sure I'd bank on it
vast forum
i did it 100% consistently in raid on monday
scarlet sequoia
its probably really minor
scarlet sequoia
i mean i try to do it on 1 sec before pull
onyx hedge
do we pop CLF pre pull now?
scarlet sequoia
so a bit risky
onyx hedge
I aint played exsang in a while, so im still getting back into it
vast forum
with exsg yes
quasi pewter
yea ok works pretty easy actually
onyx hedge
i presume opener is something like
fleet anchor
I think if it's a gain or not would depend on your haste and if you get an extra tick of Garrote before you would normally apply Vendetta
onyx hedge
CLF garrote garrote rupture vendetta exsang?
lilac sparrow
what is clf?
vast forum
thing is
onyx hedge
i presume that is the opener
vast forum
you get a longer total garrote with this
hazy flame
clf = etp essence
vast forum
you get a full (23.4 sec) garrote 2.9 sec into the fight this way, whereas with standard opener you have it 2 sec into the fight
quasi pewter
your last garrote and exsang being closer together could make a difference
onyx hedge
@vast forum what opener rotation do you use with it? I presume CLF gar gar rup detta exsang
vast forum
so total 0.9 sec longer Pog garrote
i use pre-CLF - g-r-vend-g-mut (hope at least 1 crit)-r-exsg
rancid bobcat
Hasted Vendetta global sounds 
rancid bobcat
I mean is it like 100% reliable
vast forum
legit i've known it since uldir cuz i loved playing with galecaller
i've done it without mistakes for an entire raidnight on monday
onyx hedge
@vast forum so pre CLF garrote rupture vedetta g mutilate r exsang?
vast forum
yea
vast forum
it is
onyx hedge
if you cast the vendetta
lilac sparrow
I think clf only good for short encounter doesn't allow second vendetta
vast forum
vend is <1 sec global (hasted)
vast forum
if you use hero on pull, it 100% works
vast forum
idk if it would work without hero, i haven't tested it too much
vast forum
but apl uses hero on pull, so should be easy to implement (if it's at all a gain)
quasi pewter
it works
cobalt pelican
sounds pretty pointless
quasi pewter
atleast at my haste levels
onyx hedge
if your min maxing i guess it would be worth it
vast forum
with those haste levels is actually almost definitely an entire extra tick
onyx hedge
i think its a case of you have to have to get over a threshold of haste
cobalt pelican
yeah, probably but that's pretty negligible damage
and you lose a gcd inside vend
vast forum
not really, since your last GCD is usually rupture
(that's how the timings line up with exsg deeper strategem)
your rup and vend expire at the same time
i'm fully aware that IF this is a gain
it's an extremely minor one
i'm just wondering if it's a gain at all 😄
quasi pewter
propably
cobalt pelican
it's hard to see it not being a gain but it's like a <0.1% gain
vast forum
ay
honest basin
Why would Plumage be better than Badge with this build ?
scarlet sequoia
because badge is garbage
vast forum
also, i'm pretty sure our previous 0.1% TB optimization isn't in the default apl yet
honest basin
A more detailed explanation maybe my dear ?
vast forum
the "reapply rupture outside of pandemic if it won't last the duration of TB" optimization
lime edge
best major azerite
honest basin
I mean I don't see how 1k ish versa beats 4k agi during the burst
fleet anchor
Which one Yoppa?
lime edge
for dungeon and best for raid?
tame sigil
Boe
scarlet sequoia
moment ill show u on sim
vast forum
the "reapply rupture outside of pandemic if it won't last the duration of TB" optimization
@fleet anchor the one from 6 months ago 😄
i think it was actually 0.2%
fleet anchor
I thought that one ended up being neutral. Can you link it to me again in the research channel?
vast forum
ugh
scarlet sequoia
@honest basin
rancid bobcat
There are a number of no lust on pull fights this tier though
vast forum
it was a 0.1 or 0.2% gain
rancid bobcat
More than normal I think
vast forum
and i don't have the sim, i just have screenshots from fuu posting that it's an increase
fleet anchor
(If I were to put this thing in for Vendetta, I'd add a check for GCD duration most likely rather than assuming lust on pull)
(FWIW)
onyx hedge
yeah ok so getting the 4 gloabls inside of sub @vast forum its not working for me with hero
rancid obsidian
What are optimal traits atm? I have 3 double dose and nothing personal
onyx hedge
so pre clf garrote, rupture, vendetta garrote is just no were near owrking
and im 39% haste
vast forum
https://gyazo.com/403e0e20b4787a8fdfab2f3d2d368875 @fleet anchor this
onyx hedge
notsure wht haste you guys are running % wise
honest basin
@scarlet sequoia mmh... and what's the explanation aside from follow the sim? My misguided mind would have though 4k agility right on the empowered Garrote exsang would be grand
fleet anchor
Oh, Fuu tested it. That's why I don't remember it 🙂
hazy flame
@rancid obsidian darkheart
fleet anchor
I can check it again sure
vast forum
i mean
onyx hedge
What % haste are you running @vast forum
vast forum
i don't play tb anymore but i like the apl being as up-to-date as possible
scarlet sequoia
@honest basin the vers is just a flat dmg increase, agility isnt really that crazy rn but ye i cant give u a better explanation than that, just look at the sims honestly
coarse tusk
have people been simming different combinations?
rancid obsidian
Really? What would you replace?
honest basin
Ok, thanks I guess !
coarse tusk
or is expedient for everything what people are going for?
vast forum
idk @onyx hedge but i've been managing it 100% consistently and in logs i get like a 0.2sec leeway
nop
expedient
fleet anchor
I would not spend on TA personally no
vast forum
all the way for raids
surreal solar
Mind flay aint good outside pvp
tropic charm
What’s the best way to form echoes
vast forum
🙂
tropic charm
Farm
onyx hedge
I was trying to fucking clf in my subterfuge window
civic hatch
is expedient good/bis even for the dd/tb build
onyx hedge
this shows how a year + of TB has burned my brain
fleet anchor
Expedient is good for a standard build too yes
onyx hedge
like i lost brain cells running tB for this long
merry perch
if were running subterfuge are we waiting for vanish to come back up or vendetta on CD because of VoP?
fleet anchor
Expedient is probably our best one overall, especially now that GW is dumpstered
vast forum
expedient is god-tier because it has synergy with vita (our bis trinket) and OP (our bis t3 trait)
onyx hedge
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bPyeXNE35LD4u6hBiASkSd should have that 3rd expedient by end of the rotation
azerite is trash ilvl
vast forum
i'm not sure if expedient increases lust haste too, haven't looked into it much because i didn't have any until 2 days ago 🙂
onyx hedge
mythic raden helm gonna be like a 2k upgrade i presume?
tough skiff
worth cleanse Racing Pulse r2 for Exp r3?
lime edge
@vast forum OP?
vast forum
overwhelming power
arctic walrus
you have no other room anywhere else?
lime edge
oh
cobalt pelican
it doesn't
lime edge
i have a 460 gale
vast forum
i thought so @cobalt pelican
tame sigil
So are people planning on using ANYTHING other than just Expedient or what? Or just go 100% into Expedient?
onyx hedge
all the fucking way
cobalt pelican
weird
arctic walrus
after gw nerf goes live expedient will be best by far
tame sigil
Jesus
vast forum
i'll go 1 expedient at a time and sim every new one until i reach a hypothetical softcap that might not exist
tame sigil
Bbai tendies!
hazy geyser
so now that we have the ability to choose our corruption what is the BiS set up?
crimson palm
It should be t12
rustic yarrow
@onyx hedge 80 Corruption? Is that before or after resist
vast forum
35% GW nerf, any1 think it's still worth on 485 gear tho?
crimson palm
Severe after that
hidden bay
Crafted pants with super high haste 
vast forum
any educated opinions on that? 😄
lime edge
and obv all expedient
vast forum
well if you end up running all expedients, haste's value will just be insane
crimson palm
I'll do some sims tomorrow when vendor comes out
lime edge
vendor is out homie
vast forum
like each point of haste will be 2 haste 😄
hazy geyser
the vendor is out
vast forum
vendor isn't out for eu
crimson palm
I'm eu
vast forum
we have wednesday resets
lime edge
oh gotcha
arctic walrus
living in the past 
hidden bay
NA is beta testing rn: )
rancid bobcat
You can just sim it now with gear compare idk
crimson palm
NA scrubz 
chilly marsh
enxg its haste and mastery i think?
onyx hedge
@rustic yarrow so currently, im behind on cloak, took a break so im at 68 corruption resist, without the 3rd expedient im at 62, this week i can get below that with x2 upgrade on my cloak, then once i get my third expedient i prob get rid over another GW
@rustic yarrow especially after the nerf
cobalt pelican
i still guess you play gw on your daggers honestly
vast forum
i'll sim it
cobalt pelican
my opinion is based on nothing other than like
vast forum
35% is a pretty big nerf tbh
@lime edge if you don't get 2.5k echoes in 1 day you're slacking
rancid bobcat
I got 2.5k from my cache
cobalt pelican
you HAVE to hit a point where expedient isn't giving you the insane value it does at medium amounts
rustic yarrow
Yeah that GW nerf is massive
cobalt pelican
and if you do
onyx hedge
bro look at the chart that was posted
cobalt pelican
35% nerfed gw is still far better than anything else
onyx hedge
ill try and find it for you
vast forum
i agree @cobalt pelican but i think other corruptions might prove to be better than GW
lime edge
i also got 2.5k from weekly chests
woeful minnow
plain thistle
dont think it is
woeful minnow
honestly 2500 after the weekly stuff is hard
cobalt pelican
severe secondary?
onyx hedge
lime edge
rofl
vast forum
raz has a hypothesis
fleet anchor
I mean obviously Expedient will have some reduced value if you don't have Haste items/enchants/gems too
fleet anchor
And some of those become more clear to stack the more you have
vast forum
i think it's hasted tho
maybe not
if it's not, then i assume honed mind might be good
vast forum
cuz it is hasted 😄
fleet anchor
Void Ritual isn't hasted iirc
lime edge
echoes will drop as long as u have your cape, right?
cobalt pelican
my initial take is still gw on daggers expedient on everything else
unless you can make a build
that's somehow all haste+x
cobalt pelican
and go expedient+severe, and then gem vers randomly if the value is high because oyu have none
but it's not based on math
it's based on
2am wow brain
outer lotus
None of the Stat procs are hasted
vast forum
FEELINGS
i thought someone said long ago that all stat procs except racing pulse were hasted
chilly marsh
more what i told soem time ago nameless
vast forum
but maybe i'm just wrong on that one
vast forum
i mean
quasi pewter
hmmm for the opener would 2nd global vendetta be better maybe so you get the extra ticks in vendetta
vast forum
if gw is worth on 485 then it's 3gw
outer lotus
With infinite expedients, 3ss and exsanguinate is probably bis right?
vast forum
@quasi pewter hmm, maybe but then you delay rupture so you can lose ticks there
idk really, would try it out
quasi pewter
rupture does like 0 damage
scarlet sequoia
just vendetta from stealth
quasi pewter
thats why
vast forum
hmmm for the opener would 2nd global vendetta be better maybe so you get the extra ticks in vendetta
@fleet anchor test this too 😄
grvg and gvrg 😄
fleet anchor
That delays Rupture a fair bit though?
grave trail
Can a good rogue tell me the opener with exang build I see lot of different shit
vast forum
1 global
grave trail
Raz what's ur take
quasi pewter
p sure 30% on garrote tick is more than 1 tick of rupture
scarlet sequoia
@quasi pewter
vast forum
and as saryero says, rupture is meh
quasi pewter
if it works out like that
vast forum
also @quasi pewter since you vanish garrote right after exsg, it is not actually extra ticks
fleet anchor
Miss out on an energy tick too
chilly marsh
a full clear vison no masks = 750 too?
chilly marsh
dont care for mementos anymore
quasi pewter
no need for energy
vast forum
i think grvg is the way to go
lime edge
this means the minimum is 175, right?
quasi pewter
propably
grave trail
Man did blizz just kill the GW dream
vast forum
but i like people who know what they're doing to test it, not me 🙂
tropic charm
Also for the exang build, since it’s on a 45 second CD and vendetta is 2 minutes, do you use exang 3 times and have a 15 second downtime waiting for exang and ven to overlap, or do you use it 2 times and wait 30 seconds for the exang and ven to overlap
vast forum
also i'm a lazy fuck who likes to think about things without actually learning to write apl
scarlet sequoia
assuming u don’t lose
vast forum
@tropic charm 4th exsg is aligned almost perfectly with vanish and you delay your 2nd vendetta for those together
lime edge
yea
tough skiff
asuming ur ally
vast forum
you face raz in rbg, you lose
lime edge
thats also assuming lowest rank
tough skiff
horde queue are 20+ min
lime edge
im ally
vast forum
doesn't matter if you're ally or horde
vast forum
fringe socket
https://gyazo.com/d5e1143fd17145309547dbc6b63cdc32 does this mean i need more mastery?
