i'd say DH is about the same level
#assassination
vast forum
high wadi
slim lava
guys i need 3shrouded suffocation+echoing blades azerite
should i gamble on the 475ilv or buy 460 to get them quicker
zinc coyote
@wicked anvil if your talkin bout raid then yeah rogues are pretty meh rn
which is unfortunate
but it is what it is, at least we look good in SL
odd minnow
good based on wat?
zinc coyote
well by we i meant rogue in general, and based on a very early beta build lol
fleet whale
they aren't bad in raid but they sure as hell aren't fotm
round crypt
if ur running 3x echoing blades and hidden blades do you Fan of Knives on 2 targets or mutilate?
urban python
I just switched to Sin rogue from Sub, what is the Pandemic Window? Since that's the moment i should reapply my DoTs
Also, do you guys have any PvP tips?
deft vault
depends on how many cmbo points was your rupture applied with
rancid bobcat
it works the same as nightblade
arctic walrus
read the pins in #pvp
garrote pandemic is 5.4
rupture is 7.2 at 5 cp or 6 at 4 cp
arctic walrus
glad to see sub, demo, arcane, and enhance are all better than outlaw and sin 🙂
drifting cloud
you forgot ret, mm, feral and frost 
mage
fathom swift
people linking all boss logs tryna compare assa on aoe bosses to everyone else is real dumb
class has a good st spec and a good aoe spec but cause they arent the same spec the class is bad?
echo cargo
if by good in raid you mean like, sin being 9th for ST and outlaw being 8th for AoE xd
you could just be a mage or lock and just be good at literally everything lol
drifting cloud
the talk was about melee
fathom swift
rogue not having a top 5 dps spec like it does most tiers doesnt mean its bad its just not as good as its been in the past
arctic walrus
you can finish at 4 cp it's fine
dont overcap
you can find the opener in any guide as well as the pins
urban python
@vel#7781 was more what does pandemic mean actually, not when it starts
arctic walrus
It's basically a way of reapplying your dots without necessarily overwriting your current one
at 30% of your debuff's duration, you're able to reapply it, and that 30% will be added on to the new full duration debuff
so this just lets you not have to wait on refreshing stuff the second it falls off, you get a 30% grace period
arctic walrus
np
raven mica
its called pandemic because that mechanic was originally a warlock talent called pandemic
This mechanic is now applied to almost every self applied buff and enemy applied debuff in the game.
steep obsidian
😦
bleak spoke
@zinc coyote okay now check damage to bosses
fading wigeon
Does wound poison effect the adds on hivemind's healing? Just curious. We would never use it right?
drifting cloud
it does effect them
fading wigeon
Ah ok thank you
limpid rose
since me might get a corruption vendor soon, unless thats a troll. has the math been done whats the "best" option is for a fight like raden for example? what i meant to say is, what is the optimal corruption for assa rogue
arctic walrus
probably all gushing wounds unless you can do some crazy expedient stacking
wont know until we see it
ocean storm
can comeone translate this to me I'm not up with the lingo G1 G2 G3 CT FoK R1 BotE 5xFoK
drifting cosmos
garrote/ garrote/ garrote /crimson tempest /fan of knives /rupture/blood of the enemy
ocean storm
when you say garrote x3 that 3 dirrferent mobs correct?
sage plank
Yes
ocean storm
ty
wet ruin
@arctic walrus pretty sure all GW is not gonna be better, I did a gear compare with all GW at 475 and it was something like 97k while still being at around 50 corruption, and that was a couple of weeks ago. However adding a corruption vendor will probably not happen
strange python
Hey guys, im having a hard time getting numbers in raids. Anybody wanna check my log and give me some advice? (im pretty new to rogue)
placid dawn
link it
strange python
scarlet sequoia
😬
dark crag
That hurts
shell atlas
hey guys, sorry to bother, i kinda need help, everytime i get an item i sim it and if it says its an upgrade i follow it, but i feel im doing less dmg, can someone see if something is wrong or osmething https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mxSfpeUXJQT4n1mWnLe2bd thanks
bleak spoke
71 corruption is alot
also those are extremely high variance corruptions
pull to pull your dps will probably vary greatly
bleak spoke
yeh lucid 3 will give you like 5-8k dps probably
i mean do you have logs for us to look at
we can't really help otherwise other than point at the guides etc
obsidian kiln
is there no SL related channel?
shell atlas
as u can see on the logs
my ~dps
is far away from the simmed dps
i didn't have a piece that i have now
bleak spoke
i mean i just opened up your maut log and you're wearing echoing blades pieces
cobalt pelican
you played it all raid
lol
you're 2nd potting focused resolve lined up with nothing
shell atlas
did i? '-'
bleak spoke
cobalt pelican
you're spam applying coral
bleak spoke
you shouldn't do that
should probably be clf vendetta mutilate to 3+ cp then you tb vanish envenom muti envenom etc
prisma monolithBOT
The way to use coral in M+ is using it on your priority target,
and then whenever that target dies, reapply it to your next target.
Whenever your target dies it gives you the crit it would give from using it,
so consuming the stacks for crit mid pack is generally suboptimal.
bleak spoke
okay why is that showing that one for sin
you coral on pull and then you keep stacking it until your second vendetta
upon which you pop the coral to get the crit buff during your cds
and then you reapply after the buff expires
and stack it until your next vendetta etc
bleak spoke
that is probably when you want to use focused resolve btw
with unbridled fury it doesn't matter when you pot (it's better in lust usually)
but with focused resolve you're gaining by the time it's stacked 20% crit
and you don't want to have it go to waste while you maintain dots and such
shell atlas
so i should use the 2 pot on the 2 vend + coral pop
bleak spoke
yeh
shell atlas
yep i was not doing that
bleak spoke
assassination's single target strength comes from aligning a ton of cds that are synergistic basically
but each individual part makes decent logical sense
you want your three globals coming out of vanish to be your highest damaging abilities to take advantage of the 50% bonus crit - 2 envenoms and the muti required to generate the cp
envenom is buffed by toxic blade, so you want to vanish after tb, and by vendetta, so you want it to be in vendetta
etc
bleak spoke
env muti env
because you're almost guarnateed to get 4 cp muti off of bonus 50% crit
especially drinking focused resolve
shell atlas
yep im reading it now
and about stats
i see all guides say haste is better
and is my lowest stat
heady drum
just sim stat weights
shell atlas
i know the sim is what what we should follow
bleak spoke
gonna be honest, you won't really notice much difference in stats one way or another because of how many stat procs are all over the place
i guess if you get a significant amount of crit or haste gear you might but by and large, changing a piece of gear out for another won't be noticeable at all
shell atlas
the thing is when i get gear with crit and haste
i sim the top gear
and its always put aside
bleak spoke
i'm not saying it'll do more damage
i'm saying that it'll be noticeable while you play
having high crit generates more cp when you mutilate, haste is tied to your energy regen etc
but it might not be more damage
even though those stats generally feel better to have a bunch of in single target
in a roundabout way what i mean is you probably should just trust the sim
shell atlas
its what i have been doing
bleak spoke
something that's vaguely useful is to open up the full html report on the sim and check the rotation priority and in that tab there's something that says "sample sequence table"
where it'll list out the abilities one instance of the simulation used basically
so basically 1 pull the computer had on a virtual training dummy
so you can see what it casts and when it casts it etc
it'll show the energy/combo points in one of the columns etc
shell atlas
thx ^^
bleak spoke
i recommend wearing under 60 corruption
shell atlas
yep im simming the best option
bleak spoke
it's really really easy to die with over 60 haha
shell atlas
im working on it
hybrid magnet
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Its very hard to make statements about stat trends in the current patch.
Please use a simulation to generate results for your personal gear situation.
languid sail
for m+ overwhelming power or elemental whirl or unstable flames?
raven mica
odds are unstable’s gonna win
lilac sparrow
what happens to 3ss+exng build?? several guys on top with it...
vast forum
it is good
opal minnow
you need a lot of gear/haste corruptions for it to outperform the MA/TB build, but it does pull ahead
or even the subt/tb build
vast forum
you don't need a lot of gear to beat MA
subtle salmon
i think i read some guides saying if u want aoe u pick other traits and if u want ST u pick other traits
opal minnow
Echoing blades+SS are viewed as go-to aoe traits. DD/NP are ST oriented
SS is also strong in 2-3 target cleave as well
vast forum
SS is also strong on ST
lilac sparrow
it seems SS definitely beat ordinary build in short battle
worldly sandal
are there any log wizards online who can look at something for me?
raw shadow
nightstalker or master assasin in keys?
plain thistle
neither
scarlet sequoia
he’s trolling
young portal
Can someone run me through what the rotation should be for second vendetta when running exsang/subterfuge + ss. Do you vanish prior to exsang or after?
I'm a bit lost
young portal
ah so I do wait for vanish to come back up
scarlet sequoia
your first vanish is used once your garrote falls off in the opener, then you wanna (assuming you dont lose a cast of anything) hold your vendetta etc until vanish comes back up at around 2:20 combat time
young portal
brilliant, thanks lads
opaque badge
Is there any particular upside to running the 3xSS/Exsang build over the Sub/TB build?
scarlet sequoia
yes
strange python
higher highs but lower lows
opaque badge
Aight because when i simmed its like a 1k dps downgrade to run the exsang build and wasnt sure if there was any upside to run it even at a small dps dpwngrade
bleak spoke
upside is you burst a lot harder in the opener
arctic walrus
less punished for downtime, useful for cleave
vast forum
bote+dd/hod is more reliable
so use for progress
if you wanna parse or meme around in reclears, vop is pretty fun
vestal granite
pest potion for patchwork? 20% crit?
shy axle
anyone else having clf back as the best simming essence by ~ 600dps regarding ST?
vast forum
clf scales well with neck lvl
and scales well with haste, so if you get a few expedients it's pretty good
hoary crown
Is it worth having VoP minor on nzoth mythic for 1 extra vendetta in last phase ?
static glacier
is it normal for VoP major to sim 1.2k / 1.4% higher than Bote?
shy axle
can happen
simple flax
Hey guys I haven't played since 8.0 but am just getting back and mostly played Sin, is Sub that much better if at all for M+'s that it's worth learning?
pseudo hamlet
How good is Xanesh (Torment in the jar) trinket for M+? Would like to get something not-clickable(hate ashvane in M+).
Got mythic wrathion trinket and 475 dead-eye spyglass.
shy axle
most people play outlaw or assa, sub is not played that much atm
but you can if you want to
shy axle
any tipps for drest that i can not read up/see in videos?
placid dawn
save cloak for the big aoe overlaps
run botd and use it for the cd reset and extra damage
tropic charm
I know sim says IS is better, but is IS better than GW?
tropic charm
Even if sim says otherwise?
tropic charm
True. So for 2+ targets I go GW and a true single target is IS?
vast forum
basically
for shad'har you go IS
everything else, gw
and i think even on ST, gw sims higher per corruption
tropic charm
So does GW proc more with more corruption?
loud light
for basically every effect, stacking more of the same corruption just makes it do more damage / give a bigger stat buff
not proc more often
royal lantern
GW has a really high proc chance
shy dust
IS also suffers in shorter fight
royal lantern
IS is pure random
vocal hedge
is there a way to see which corruptions people run in m+ on wowlogs just like for essences and azerite?
timid tundra
No but us this site below it shows what is run most at different key levels https://mplus.subcreation.net/index.html
vocal hedge
cheers
timid tundra
No problem
patent topaz
id rather have 5 gw than r3 stars tbh
feral jetty
I don't know play rogue so im asking to know if its convenient
seeing as ass doesnt do much direct dmg I guess?
drifting cloud
and padding psychus helps on prog how exactly?
you have assigned cds on psychus, he should be dieing at a pretty exact timing
until he has like 6 stacks nobody should even be targeting him
royal lantern
^ if you are told too attack him, you attack him, otherwise you just keep bleeds up and kill synapses until he has 5-6 stacks
feral jetty
ait cheers 🙂
wicked anvil
when should i refresh them? i usually refresh them when they start glowing
for rupture that is wwhen it is kinda at like 8 sec remaining
tropic ocean
maybe ur weak auras are not working properly?
cuz from that u def dont refresh them in pandemic
fathom swift
8s is too early anyway, its 7.2s for 5 combo point rupture and 6s for 4
wicked anvil
i ma using AfenarUI , i think it should work properly
opal minnow
If you're refreshing when it says 8, that's too early
late iron
465 gibbering maw or 480 gearspun goggles for assass rogue raiding? any different for pvp/
dark crag
480, engi googles are not that bad. DD+agi/haste proc + op
icy dock
do you get subterfuge damage for garrote if you shadowmeld ?
lone charm
I need some help, I got 3 Trinkets on my assa rogue / GaleCaller's Boon 445 / humming black dragon scale 460 / Dead-eye Spy glass 455. I have done sim with Gale caller's and my dps on the sim drops, but people say it's my 2nd best trinket
Any idea what 2 trinkets out of them i should be using
static glacier
the ones that sim highest, just because Galecaller's is 2nd best assuming equal ilvl doesn't mean that your situation fits that bill.
your essences / azerite traits can also affect trinket / corruption rankings
thin ingot
guys should i spam buy heroic azerite pieces from the vendor in order to get a SS+EB piece or try my luck every 2 weeks for a mythic one?
static glacier
I'd say buy the mythic ones, getting BiS has a lot more value than a 460 that you may replace.
lone charm
What is the mythic + build for azerite traits?
static glacier
As many SS / EB as possible with 1 TTK and maybe 1 NP. Blightborn / HoD are good spec specific traits.
lone charm
can x3 SS be used for raiding?
static glacier
if you have v good gear yes, with exsang, it frontloads your damage compared to other builds.
lone charm
Worth dropping the engineer helm for a differnt helm in mythics +
shy dust
DD is very bad for m+
lone charm
I only have these sets i do other 2 items with echo
static glacier
perhaps build an AOE set with SS / EB for dungeons, or opt for traits that are flexible (HoD comes to mind)
since as has been said, DD really isn't amazing for dungeons unless all you're looking to do is tunnel 1 target.
lone charm
i got for dung set atm x2 ss x2 echo is this ok
static glacier
what do you mean no, what dungeon would the conditions of tunnel 1 target over playing normally ever be applicable?
static glacier
inferior to SS / NP for sure
vast forum
inferior to ttk too
static glacier
idk about the comparison to HoD
static glacier
thing is if you'd ever consider running ST in dungeons it would be for a high workshop tyrannical
I'd imagine
vast forum
and you'd still not run DD
also
i use the same build in ST and aoe
3x SS 2x Hod and 1x BBI
vast forum
nah, it doesn't have insanely high value on single-vendetta boss fights
and no aoe value
static glacier
most boss fights aren't single vendetta
static glacier
hm, your group's dps must be solid then
drifting cloud
on fort they dont live 2:30
vast forum
our hunter does 100k
static glacier
anyways, in short DD isn't to be used for dungeons
vast forum
on tyra they live for 2nd vend tho
drifting cloud
maybe some bosses without lust
vast forum
even without lust, most bosses don't last for a 2nd vendetta
static glacier
no luck with pieces :(?
vast forum
i only play assa in KR/ToS/workshop/SOMETIMES UR
i wouldn't use a single EB in the first 3 on the list
i also sometimes run assa for shrine, where i'd deffo run EB
but if you bring assa to TD, FH, AD, ML, WM, JY, you should deffo run EB
static glacier
is sin with EB competitive with other melee on aoe? not had an EB piece in a while, been playing mostly outlaw for 5 mans
vast forum
if the fight lasts long enough, it's very good
static glacier
I find without it you're a rung below dh / warr
vast forum
outlaw can run out of bf charges but you can't run out of fok
static glacier
MonkaS if a pack lasts long enough to run out of BF charges
vast forum
imo rogues aren't supposed to compete with warrs/hunters/dhs in raw damage this season
static glacier
we're talking 47-8 secs there
vast forum
it's not a single pack tho
static glacier
ah yeah
vast forum
if you use 3 BF charges on 1 pack and then only have 1 for next pull and need 2, you are technically out of charges 😄
also, motherlode chainpulls before first boss
static glacier
let me live my life in a single pack vacuum 
vast forum
where single combat can last ~6-7 min
static glacier
any particularly good azerite from pvp? debating pushing high rating if it's worth it
vast forum
nothing that you can't get from residuum vendor
if anything, the reason to push pvp rating should be corruption, not azerite this season
static glacier
speaking of corruption
they're introducing something to replace rep buff to do with making corruption easier to get
vast forum
yea, actually interested what it is
i doubt it's a straight up corruption vendor, but i would love it
drifting cloud
yeah I dont see a vendor happening
maybe in a few months
unless its some sort of currency that you dont acquire fast
vast forum
obviously not just a vendor for 5 silver 😄
drifting cloud
yeah I know but still
like boes would just die over night, would be funny
and nzoth is "only" at 600 kills
rancid bobcat
pushing pvp early for early azerite was good though
cobalt pelican
echoes of echoes of nyalotha
how is nzoth only at 600 actually it like.. slowed down after the nerfs??
mayb i'm drunk
fleet anchor
I think the nerfs mostly just helped guilds that were struggling to meet the DPS check but still like 12 minutes of fight to learn
So imagine there was a bit of a surge as it let people clumped up at the end of the fight through quickly but probably won't speed up the process all that much for the guilds following behind
fleet anchor
Fight is still a good 4 minutes longer than it needs to be lol
cobalt pelican
yeah my guild kinda sucks the butt sometimes and just the sheer length leads to people dying on reclear
because people can't take it seriously
sharp snow
hey guys i have a question
so i have lvl 3 rank on my main, but cant buy it on my alt, well few of them i can, but not all, why is that, im talking about mother nylotha stuff
cobalt pelican
what do you have on your main and what are you trying to buy on your alt
vast forum
everything that you have on your main should be buyable on alt
zinc nebula
Is it worth it to cast TB on CD or to use a window where rupture and garrote won't need to be refreshed? I can get 3 Envenoms in a TB window, but I'm averaging like 11 secs between cd ending and finding that bleed window. =X
arctic walrus
cast tb on cd pretty much
if your bleeds do fall off during the window, it's not the end of the world just reapply them
zinc nebula
during or after?
arctic walrus
during
zinc nebula
That makes tb a lot less fun lol
arctic walrus
if your bleeds are 1-2s outside of pandemic, it's also safe to reapply before tb in that case
and i'm assuming you're using tb at max cp so you start with an env
zinc nebula
Yea
fringe socket
yo how can assassin rogues beat fury warrior
arctic walrus
can you be a bit more specific
fringe socket
my warrior buddy always shits on me and bm really hard. im just seeing how i can possibly beat him or if its just a huge cuck for assassin rogues. were similar ilvl in fact im a few higher
i get him low just get rekt tho
arctic walrus
duels?
fringe socket
idk if fury warriors in particular are really hard for sin rogues or what
leaden garden
Getting bored of outlaw after rerolling 6 times in a row for good buffs, hows asa for m+?
drifting cosmos
you'd prob get bored of spamming fok real fast
arctic walrus
it's pretty good but you just need x3 vendor azerite so it's harder to acquire the gear
leaden garden
I have 3xSS and 3xEB, should be OK?
arctic walrus
ye
drowsy nimbus
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aR1pKPpbfxsMZZyUGXkisv That feeling when both nzoth and carapace parts sims less than 480 azerites 
why tho
is it cause of overwhelming shit ?
arctic walrus
well you didn't even select cara chest to sim
nzoth isn't better than goraks though, no
fathom swift
That kinda depends
arctic harness
For me clockwork heart Sims better than Blightborne infusion
bleak spoke
We all are haha
glacial jasper
Wouldn’t even care if it was some high ass price of currency would be worth
arctic harness
Yeah, just something to work towards would be nice
torpid sparrow
i got 3 expedient , still doesnt change ur build if u dont have the azerite piece from raid
glacial jasper
What piece changes your build?
scarlet sequoia
yeah
torpid sparrow
that build they all talking bout need you to have raden and carapace pieces in MM lvl, at least it doesnt works for me with HM ones
even at 478 ilvl with 3 expedients
i had to kill ra den and carapace on my Dh to help the guilde, and we r extending ID since then on nzoth , so i wont be able to have them before a long time
lilac sparrow
what is the condition to 3ss+exng beat MA/sub+TB ? up to battle duration?
scarlet sequoia
up to gear
lilac sparrow
for me now, 3ss+exng is better when battle is shorter than 3min
scarlet sequoia
sounds about right
lilac sparrow
I don't wanna change my azerites by duration... maybe more expedient will make 3ss better?
scarlet sequoia
hard to say exactly what makes the build better
at some point for most people it just becomes better
many people run it even tho it sims lower than the standard build
worldly sandal
raz how do you do it? 3x SS 3x HoD?
scarlet sequoia
3 ss 2 hod 1 bbi
median marsh
Hello, Any assassination streamers?
worldly sandal
Mines all over the place rn if i wanted to do 3x SS. I think it'd be 3x SS, one NP, one DD, and one HoD.
scarlet sequoia
doesnt sound very nice
worldly sandal
it sims pretty close tho, like within 300 DPS of Subt build
thin stump
What the mythic plus peeps here think about assa on the first pull TD DPS is way higher then outlaw for me and the slow is useful as well?
lilac sparrow
raz you also lower sims with 3ss?
scarlet sequoia
no
lilac sparrow
for 4min or 5min also?
thin stump
All the beach basicly
scarlet sequoia
any fight length
lean marten
is there an SS + HoD helm?
thin stump
I was thinking and testing 3EB 3 SoB stuff they did on orgozoa with Deeper Strategym to basicly maximise Aoe and you can keep vanish as Deffenise worst case if you should get squezzed!
scarlet sequoia
ra-den
lean marten
ty
serene basin
!Essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
thin ingot
yo gangsters of ravenholt
i asked this yesterday but i wasnt convinced
started playing rogue again around last week and M+ is my favorite content. Should i buy heroic azerite pieces until i get a 3x SS/EB combo or save for mythic piecces (every 2 weekish) and try my luck?
lean marten
since you're specifically targetting traits just save for specifics imo
worldly sandal
depends on how ass your current gear is and if its really making a severe impact on performance
but yeah if youre specifically going for SS/EB i'd save up
thin ingot
but specific ones take like 8 weeks
to farm for
@worldly sandal im raiding heroic every week and got almost every piece from there except the carcass one
heroic
worldly sandal
so your option is save 8 weeks to get exactly what you want, save for 2 weeks for gear that is at least 480 ilvl, or potentially waste all your TR on 465 gear that could potentially just all be shit
thin ingot
YES
arctic harness
SS is pretty much the most important trait and its on quite a few pieces
worldly sandal
what im getting at is that you need to decide for yourself what you need.
arctic harness
Just roll the dice
worldly sandal
what i think i need and what you think you need might be completely different, its up to you to make that decision
me personally, i roll 480 pieces
its bound to have somthing useful, bar a couple completely garbage pieces
but thats at my level of casual play. for the actually good people here, they would most likely save up 20k.
rancid bobcat
you want to keep both if you can
lone charm
I am at 3 SS 1EB or i can be 2SS - 2EB
I can't keep both ^^
3 - SS 1-EB 1-HOD
2- SS 2-EB 1-HOD
Is the only setups i got atm
what should i use in mythics?
Oh and btw is x3 DD x3HOD best single target?
rancid bobcat
i would probably go 2-2 for an average group
outer lotus
can somebody explain to me the difference in these two sims? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sox7R9XBScij2Cm7PVPtu7
500 dps difference but its the exact same gear right?
outer lotus
oh you're right
rancid bobcat
lol pantaloons
outer lotus
ye i didnt see the ilvl of my character in the sim
slim olive
lone charm
Question for you people, Torment jar sims so high, but when i use on 4 - dummys the dmg from it is trash
I wonder if it's even worth using anyone know?
distant lava
define trash
rancid bobcat
you probably think trinkets contribute to your dps more than what's actually reality
lone charm
Well even in 5 pack pulls in mythic the torment does like 2% dmg
sour glade
If I had to choose I would go 3ss 1eb because garrote is your biggest damage on trash and bosses so amping that is what I would prio.
lone charm
not sure if that is worth it suppose someone should know it here right
Josh 3ss 1eb np mate 🙂
rancid bobcat
are you combining both procs
lone charm
Oh Yeah both procs
sour glade
I don't use torment in m+. I get better damage from spyglass/loaded dice
lone charm
i was thinking spygladd loaded gannon
rancid bobcat
guess it just depends
rancid bobcat
yup
both of them combined usually do around 4-5% for my dungeons
but i run as outlaw so idk how different it would be
sour glade
Torment is much better for stuff like DH that has haste I think.
rancid bobcat
should be in guides/pins
rancid bobcat
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
worldly sandal
lone charm
Assa stack haste? higher the better?
vast forum
depends on corruptions, essences and azerite
lone charm
Oh god this exp is a whole load of head fuck
azure shoal
it's the haste stacking exsang build
lone charm
and you use exsan ?
strange python
Isnt clf simming higher for you shivers?
azure shoal
i think it was a little bit
azure shoal
yeah
lone charm
Shiver is this running exsang talent?
quasi pewter
you can see his talents
azure shoal
open the sim you can see all my gear/talents
quasi pewter
in the top gear
worldly sandal
all the haste
quasi pewter
drifting cloud
hes got IS
azure shoal
ball-park like high 2k minimum?
azure shoal
i got nothing else
quasi pewter
lone charm
What's that mean
inf stars?
To be fair i been playing 3 weeks back haven't had one of these corruptions people run
not a single one
tranquil moat
anyone got a dungeon slice for a sin build they're currently using?
quasi pewter
dslice for sin is kinda 
azure shoal
quasi pewter
who needs gushing if you have t14 expedient though
azure shoal
lone charm
i have rank 1 TD, is it worth using if it's the only one corruption dmg i have
rest are crit buffs
lone charm
9% all sources / 72 stacking up 5 times
vast forum
the first one (% all sources) is very good, the other one not so much
strange python
Also depends if its raid or m+
lone charm
i guess i should just be running what i can get it seems, till i have plenty of differnt corruption items to work around a build
vast forum
yea definitely
lone charm
only got three items so far and all are on
strange python
Just sim urself to see what sims highest brother
vast forum
almost any dps corruption is better than no corruption 😄
vast forum
don't hope for IS
hope for gushing or expedient (haste%)
IS is only good on a few fights this tier, and absolute garbage for m+
lone charm
Okayy gush and exp i should be looking out for 🙂
thanks for the info 🙂
I just tried sim with exsang lost 6k dps
xD
gusty mirage
danger noodles are pretty solid for ST too
lone charm
Oh wait i have one more corruption item in bank
9% ver from all sources
12%
12% ver from all sources this is good for pvp right?
quasi pewter
ye or for outlaw
velvet vortex
Hey all, I'm fairly new to the game and have been liking rogue a lot. I just recently hit 120 and got my cloak and stuff... I'm starting to struggle a bit when it comes to mobs of enemies stacking on me and I don't have the AOE to deal with them. Any recommendations for this? I have only played as assassination rogue so far btw
I haven't had much issues leveling but getting into end game content solo like horrific visions and stuff is proving to be difficult
velvet vortex
Yeah, but it hardly ever see it proc. Should I just play outlaw instead ? I heard that spec has good aoe
orchid ibex
i mean fan of knives and poison bomb should be fine
not as good as outlaws aoe
whats ur gear like
velvet vortex
Pretty basic. ilvl 405
orchid ibex
ye thats prob why its not doin much damage lol
velvet vortex
Damage isn't the problem
it's soloing content and not surviving whenever I draw 3 or more enemies
idk I do great single target dps but I just struggle without a friend with me
shy dust
Yes you’re extremely undergeared
crimson palm
If you're trying to do 8.3 content with 8.1 gear go figure
velvet vortex
I was just following the bfa questline as it came to me 😦
vast forum
you can try crimson tempest
orchid ibex
youre not necessarily doing anything wrong youre just biting off more than you can chew
velvet vortex
ahh gotcha
orchid ibex
yeah id say play outlaw too
especially if yorue wanting to pve
if you wanna pvp assassination is better
velvet vortex
So what should I do now? I think I'm doing the N'zoth quest stuff right now, which is proving to be way to hard for me at the moment. Should I go finish the war campaign or run dungeons to get gear?
I'll try out outlaw
orchid ibex
mythic +0s to get 430 gear probably
velvet vortex
what do you mean by that? raids? sorry im such a noob lol
vast forum
dungeons and LFR are a good way to get quick gear
velvet vortex
I can't do mythic without a group right?
vast forum
use the group finder 😛 it might be hard to get into one with your gear tho
velvet vortex
Yeah. Believe me I tried. People are telling me they want ilvl 430 minimum
seems to be the standard
I'm not sure
orchid ibex
do LFR
velvet vortex
alright
velvet vortex
Honestly, anything at this point is an upgrade lol
orchid ibex
and at some point world quest emissaries give 445 gear
velvet vortex
Oh, nice
velvet vortex
I see people in Orgrimmar selling boosts for visions all the time lmao
orchid ibex
are you EU horde
velvet vortex
Not sure I have the funds for something like that
orchid ibex
i can help u with dungeons if u want
velvet vortex
NA horde
velvet vortex
It's all good! I appreciate the thought
orchid ibex
(:
velvet vortex
Just here for information... I felt like I just sucked or was playing the class wrong
velvet vortex
None of the other classes do it for me like rogue. for example, I tried out DH and it's kinda like the game is on easy mode but i don't enjoy it at all. It's very one dimensional.
To me, anyways
orchid ibex
yeah i dont like playing dh
velvet vortex
Is the other spec worth playing? I mostly just see videos about sin and outlaw
heady aspen
Sub is fun, but it's pretty weak atm.
orchid ibex
you have abilities that allow u to use stealth abilities
i only really use sublety for fun rn
to duel n shit
velvet vortex
Gotcha. speaking of duels and stuff, what classes do I struggle against as a rogue? (pure 1v1 situation)
And what spec is the best for dueling?
heady aspen
I despise DHs with a passion.
outer lotus
do you vendetta the organs on ilgy or wait until its dead?
heady aspen
You should Vendetta the boss, it's much more important to burn his hp than the organs
heady aspen
You also can't stack coral to any meaningful amount on the organ
orchid ibex
no its just everything
mystic crest
i agree dks are the worse
orchid ibex
its like
if u have ever been
cucked by ur friend
u know
u like a girl
and your friend
fucks her
hard
relentlessly
thats what u feel like
drifting cloud
ok dude relax
orchid ibex
playing rogue vs dk
sorry projecting
xd
but jokes aside
why do people not like
playing against dh
DHs feel easy 2 me
mystic crest
stuns
heady aspen
DFA
mystic crest
blur
subtle tundra
whats there not to hate
mystic crest
dh just sucks to vs
orchid ibex
with spectral sight until 2k i was able to just rush in on a mount and quickly stealth sap
subtle tundra
they dodge stuff by accident while blade dancing
heady aspen
Locks probably
mystic crest
mages are pretty easy too
orchid ibex
oh random question but which trinket should i take from conquest
i have spite atm but i dont rly like it
mystic crest
do u have the vers one
orchid ibex
which is the vers one
mystic crest
the medallion i think
orchid ibex
oh yeah i dont have that one
velvet vortex
Oh, one more thing. Is there a way to move the stealth icon above my action bar? I use a keybind for it but just curious
orchid ibex
wdym
velvet vortex
Like, There is an icon to activate stealth above my action bars
it's not actually on the action bar itself
orchid ibex
you can make a macro
velvet vortex
I don't get the purpose of it
orchid ibex
its above action bars cos its like classed as a special ability
like druids have their forms there
velvet vortex
Ah oka
mystic crest
isnt it called a stance bar
orchid ibex
but yeah if u want you can make a macro and move it onto ur bars
yeah, what jontic said
velvet vortex
I'll have to look up how to do that. I'd rather just have it in the bar
unless you know?
orchid ibex
you mean make a macro?
does the game even let u remove the stance bar from view
i think its just there.
mystic crest
if u use an addon
velvet vortex
Ah
orchid ibex
like bartender i think
orchid ibex
ive always just used default ui
mystic crest
i dont like default ui party frames
velvet vortex
I use SUI
orchid ibex
@velvet vortex do u have a damage meter addon
just random question
youll probably want that
velvet vortex
I just got it, actually
orchid ibex
good now u know who to get mad at in ur dungeon gjgj
velvet vortex
it's nice, but not very useful since I can't raid quite yet
LOL
I have noticed that actually
One dude looked legit AFK in the dps meter but he was there... just sucked
lmao
orchid ibex
its useful for when theres an absolute tool in ur raid and u can see if theyre attacking adds or not
its great.
velvet vortex
I downloaded tomtom but the commands for waypoints don't seem to be working for me
orchid ibex
hivemind
mystic crest
i pad on hivemind
orchid ibex
o
tru
@velvet vortex i think theyre implementing a tomtom like feature in shadowlands
velvet vortex
Oh, nice. I just use it for the coordinates that display on my UI
mystic crest
i think i should stop padding lol im getting too far into mythic to continue
orchid ibex
ive never mythic raided
mystic crest
oof
mystic crest
i just got 7/12m the other night
orchid ibex
hell ye
i only clear heroic and pvp
but it takes a while for me to clear heroic cos i pug groups
turbid osprey
on drest prog
got a q about picking up the puddles to dps boss
do i want to pick them up as soon as possible or only when i have vend up?
prime void
Why 5x FoK spam after BoTE when you can only fit 4 in the debuff window?
royal lantern
why always ping me lel
tropic ocean
cuz you are my assa decline friend
royal lantern
tropic ocean
when I get declined by ppl with -500 score due to spec I always lose a little piece of my heart
😄
prime void
Iron wire gets ton of value in atal too
tropic ocean
I just can't follow the reasoning
needing outlaw for aoe
if it was for control cuz they have a boomer or smth ok sure
and besides left side and priest theres not many big packs/pulls anyway
🤷
prime void
I mean people just follow what everyone else says
tropic ocean
yeah sadly
prime void
The issue isn’t AoE- it’s just gouge and vanish, but somehow that’s turned into sin just being dog shit comparatively
tropic ocean
funny enough I made the experience the higher the ppl are scored the less they care about spec
mainly just gouge yeah
for atal u can do all the pillar skips with vanish too
royal lantern
cus people in high keys know that dmg is not the problem with good people
prime void
^
tropic ocean
some people think confessor is an issue without outlaw but with 4x silence and vendetta on it
even in 22 it died before it could cast anything
outer lotus
yea its like the people in 2k that think they are the shit and only hunter and outlaw and dh are good specs
lower people dont care, higher people know its bullshit
tropic ocean
hunter is my current hate class everyone carried by it being meta
then hunters leaving keys with 70,80k dps
agile raven
lol
worthy dome
is the corruption on the cara dagger essential or can iI purify it if needed?
royal lantern
it was never essential
TA is good, but very rng heavy, the dagger is bis simply because its the highest ilvl dagger ingame
crimson palm
And we won't be able to cleanse it for a better corruption with the new system in place
Technical issue 
worldly sandal
wait can you explain that>
royal lantern
bluepost out
can buy corruptions soon
right now you cant put corruptions on cleansed items cus of techincal difficultys
lone junco
drifting cosmos
rip boe td item
worldly sandal
so thats showing masterful 1 (assuming expedient will be 3k as well), what will R3 be?
drifting cosmos
it says there will be different effects swapping twice a week
and all corruptions will be in there just takes turns to show up
worldly sandal
ah i see that now
i was kinda frustrated that my paladin was getting echoes as well since i was maining him at the time, and my guildmates said they werent getting any echoes on their mains
didnt want extra useless currency for no reason see? now it looks like a good thing. have about 10k
drifting cosmos
would be interseting to see how this works out
corruptions will suddenly be flooded
drifting cosmos
yea but it sucks because corruptions have such a big impact on the content
aka stars in raid aka td in m+
or mind flay
near nacelle
stars is pretty awful on the last bosses
near nacelle
ye
fleet whale
and the more passive corruptions are better for filler... well minus GW
since GW is awesome for everything
round escarp
Hello, fellow rogues! I’ve started playing WoW again quite recently and now I’m starting to get some decent gear. My main interest is doing Mythic +. When I look at the top rogues in M+ it looks like most of them are Outlaw spec, but when I try it myself I do significantly less damage and than as assassination and have a hard time perfecting the rotation. So my question is whether or not assassination is viable in high Mythic Keys or I should keep trying to learn/enjoy Outlaw?
drifting cosmos
oh true
echo cargo
So with targeted corruption
drifting cosmos
and gw would be cheap too since only 15
echo cargo
Run 11 ineffible truths + vendetta build = profit?
shy dust
Outlaw is generally better for keys
fleet whale
maybe, it will be expensive though i think
shy dust
But sin is a strong spec for m+ too
drifting cosmos
this would feel like a mdi server where you can just choose everything
fleet whale
save up essences
drifting cosmos
yea ppl would spamming keys
fleet whale
and run as many 5 mask runs as you can when this change goes live
but do echoes scale with masks? I really don't know
tropic ocean
I don't get why they would scale essence prices though
near nacelle
i just wonder what will be our targeted corruption lol
patent topaz
well a lot of people cant earn echoes on their mains
fleet whale
GW is decent in AOE too
tropic ocean
not really
crimson palm
So people who stocked up get fucked
drifting cosmos
now this corruption system went from complete rng to no rng
crimson palm
I have like 10k on each alt
drifting cosmos
nice
fleet whale
seems at the top of Dslice as well... yes i know we all hate Dslice but GW is still good in M+
drifting cosmos
it doesnt proc on multiple targets which is sad
near nacelle
ring and boots from last 2 bosses with gushing 
worldly sandal
yeah i really hope they dont just vanish all the echoes we have now. just because the things we can purchase with them has changed, doesnt mean we didnt put in the work to get them (even if we werent trying to get them)
void pecan
Corruption vendor coming this week 🙂
scarlet sequoia
wtf rly
rocky ruin
prime void
😂😂
scarlet sequoia
wait so u can buy full bis corruptions?
scarlet sequoia
thats insane omg
vast forum
@scarlet sequoia we can all finally sim as high as you do 🙂
wet ruin
so who is running all the simulations now
lean marten
are we about to get some nutty expedients
wet ruin
to find the best setup
strange python
gonna take half a year but sure
vast forum
now i'm more thankful for my 485 daggers than good corruptions 🙂
lean marten
sims say GW stack is best tho
crystal vault
The inventory of available Preserved Contaminants will change twice each week
scarlet sequoia
thats just the shit the sim websites have decided to use
some guy already did sims with full gw vs other stuff and it wasnt the best
it will likely be a mix
of around 50% haste + gw
since its hasted
wet ruin
@lean marten all GW at 475 is around 97k
its not gonna be the best
and its around 40 corruption
so its gonna get even worse
harsh sphinx
it says the vendor will cycle recipes so i wonder if expedient / GW won't be available that often
vast forum
just save for that 1 time they're available 
crystal vault
twice a week
worldly sandal
if it sticks to that pricing scheme probably
masterful, then versatile, then severe, then expedient
since id imagine they would be the same price
near nacelle
mages and warriors will become unbeatable lol
worldly sandal
it will have each one up for half a week
so every two weeks expedient will be up
thats my assumption anyways
crystal vault
hunters and warriors 
echo cargo
i'm still gunning for max ineffible truths and running the NP build 😂
turbid osprey
Any of you guys played ilgy prog as sin?
strange python
ive nightmares of ilgy
near nacelle
hm i went with visions minor you can burst both the boss and the organ pretty much always
strange python
and dont have cloak on your bars
chilly marsh
if those values are based on total corruption
scarlet sequoia
@worldly sandal already simmed it, its absolutely garbage
but could be good in practice i guess
worldly sandal
ah RIP
chilly marsh
Gushing Wound will be cheap
turbid osprey
Ah yes, can see how cloak would be a problem
chilly marsh
and its our best corruption
scarlet sequoia
maybe the new move for assa in m+
stack ineffable truth
run around and vendetta everything
vagrant mural
test
royal lantern
vendetta 2 enemys in 1 pack
rancid bobcat
you gotta get it to proc in the first place
crystal vault
pvp will be fun with 10x GW
chilly marsh
yea
civic hatch
so uh huge corruption changes inc, gushing wounds stack now?
cobalt pelican
playing gw on your 4 485 slots
civic hatch
huehue
rancid bobcat
gushing wounds always stacked
cobalt pelican
and expedient on the others