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#assassination
green basalt
vestal wren
🤔
sly shoal
Know thy enemy
green basalt
im in the group yeah but i dont play it
vestal wren
SL changes look rly nice tho
green basalt
i have played in m+ and such but i don't like the playstyle, i like assassin alot
and with 3 SS and a few expedients i do fairly well in m+ as assassin
vestal wren
assassination without EB isn't to great
willow pulsar
expedients in m+ either
vestal wren
but CT gets buffed quite a bit in SL
arctic harness
Is there a way to sim how much of an upgrade Gorak Tul's would be? Or is it just easiest to run droptimizer?
opal minnow
gear compare
arctic harness
I don't have Gorak's
opal minnow
gear compare.
arctic harness
Ah right, I see what you mean, I was thinking you meant top gear
Thanks matey
Oof, 2,1% upgrade
little root
how much corruption have you guys been runnin? i fluctuate depending on content but do u ever try to not go over/under certain amount?
faint harness
below 60
arctic harness
I usually dip below 40 for Horrific Visions, but yeah, generally below 60
little root
yea makes sense, i think i worded my question poorly cause im aware of the general “rules” for how much corruption you want but was just interested in how much u guys ran with on average
ashen compass
Greets folks. I'm strongly considering switching to rogue for shadowlands from enhancement. I've read/watched the content on ravenholdt.net and am wondering if there are plans to create dedicated shadowlands discussion channel(s) as testing progresses or will the alpha/beta discussion largely occur inside the current spec discussion channels?
vestal wren
there is no need to have separate SL discussion channels bc we don't want to enforce separation.
If you want to discuss SL, feel free to do so in any of the spec channels (if its related to a spec) or the general channel else
ashen compass
makes sense and thx
unborn pendant
outer lotus
when you have 3 minor essences unlocked basically
sorry thought i was in outlaw channel lmao
disregard what i said
sullen fern
anyone notice deadly poison is dropping off inside time walking dungeons?
chrome geode
Yes I thought it was me and forgot to put it in. But then I noticed during the last boss it was off again.
viscid lichen
what would be the ilgy prog essences?
I see people running vop +bote on top parses but unsure if thats cause of killtime
most of the time I get to vendetta the organ and Im not sure how good that actually is
turbid osprey
for drest prog, whats the best way to use coral?
or just use a vita or something instead?
faint harness
padding on tentacles its fine
viscid lichen
what would be the ilgy prog essences?
I see people running vop +bote on top parses but unsure if thats cause of killtime
most of the time I get to vendetta the organ and Im not sure how good that actually is
unsure whether a bigger one on ilgy would be better
crimson palm
depends on your kill time but if it's around 9 min with vop you'll get extra vendetta out
fleet anchor
VoP over a 9 minute fight is a pretty large theoretical damage loss. I would personally just run normal stuff and pump quality Vendettas into the boss.
The only applications I've really seen for VoP are on extremely short fights or something with mega awkward timing like Wrathion
dark niche
Do you bote before vendetta or vendetta before bote in raid fights?
its not mentioned under opener in the guide
cobalt pelican
you run into pretty wack ass timing issues if you don't play vop on ilg tbh
idk if it's strictly better but like
first organ phase is like 1:30 exactly or a tiny bit before
crimson palm
you lose more by delaying everything because of the timings
it's better now with the shorter kill times around 7-8 mins
but prog is probably >9
cobalt pelican
6min vend pretty much always lines up with 3rd organ for me too rn which leads to this awkward decision where i either vend there and still get one at the very end (maybe) or i just sit on it for all of the last organ and get with lust
fleet anchor
I mean.. you aren't gonna get more than 4 Vendettas on the boss. If you are squeezing anything in on Organs I really don't think that's optimal during prog
cobalt pelican
and the last organ can take a really long time for us
fleet anchor
Offsetting like that means your final Vendetta on the boss is without Vanish because Vanish would have aligned with the Organ 2 Vendetta
drifting cloud
like what
crimson palm
vanish doesn't matter if you're running the vop build tho
drifting cloud
its just based on kill timer
crimson palm
since u go the DD route
drifting cloud
boss literally has kill times of like 7-9:30
fleet anchor
Vanish still bumps Vendetta damage up by quite a bit?
Also VoP is just a weak minor
crimson palm
well it's 6 vs 5 vendettas
drifting cloud
half the logs in top100 have vop
crimson palm
the one vendetta you get out is worth it
fleet anchor
There's a difference between a 2 minute fight where it's 2 vs. 1 Vendetta
crimson palm
and the 5th vendetta is still scuffed
fleet anchor
And VoP barely even wins in that situation with 2.5% gain
drifting cloud
so its literally just a kill timer thing
crimson palm
because you don't get it out fully most of the time
fleet anchor
6 vs 5 is missing the negative tradeoffs
Like VoP itself doing basically nothing else
cobalt pelican
i don't think i ever decided to play vop because of killtimes tbh
i just did it (maybe incorrectly) because i sat on vend for quite a bit for a week
but i never really checked after the fact if it was worth or not
seems kinda like a hard no in retrospect
cobalt pelican
organ damage is weighed a bit differently i think in that case yeah
fleet anchor
Would also note that if you primarily care about delaying for boss damage the delay lets CLF align pretty well too fwiw. Since you should get CLF on boss 1, 3, and 4.
crimson palm
if running ss exsan sure
fleet anchor
Not really talking about SS/Exsang atm because basically nobody runs that 😛
cobalt pelican
clf is like my best normal build major that isn't vop
i just don't play it very often because the difference is negligible
fleet anchor
And anyone with the gear level to run that isn't asking for advice on their first kill 😉
fleet anchor
CLF is pretty strong now with current neck levels
cobalt pelican
i feel like i have to resim essences pretty frequently these days
my normal build changes quite a bit week to week as my neck levels
idk what the blood crit amount break levels are
fleet anchor
I mean personally I almost always just run Reaping on this fight because it's a ridiculous amount of free damage and actually does help control bloods a lot for basically no loss since you can funnel into the bosses with buffed ones
But CLF is a good option for fire and forget if you are Vendettaing the boss primarily
drifting cloud
so it just depends what your goal is here, because if its prog and you are using dispell strat organ dmg is irrelevant if you arent hitting enrage
so if you try to max boss dmg vop is probably bad
and your log will also be slightly worse
but you will do the best your spec can to actually killing the boss
fleet anchor
I'm assuming most people are doing dispel strat now since it's easier overall, but depends on if you started prog with it or not I guess
drifting cloud
yeah I have no clue what the more common strat is thesedays
fleet anchor
Certainly makes the fight a lot less horrible for melee lol
fleet anchor
Dispel strat is actually less damage too and now it's pretty easy to autopilot with WAs
drifting cloud
legit wiped once because poop was everywhere
fleet anchor
Yeah that's still a problem for sure
Even without the circles it does kinda suck for melee regardless
Just turns it from "omg what is this" to "this kinda sucks" 😄
Also I really, really wish they'd make it so you could Shadowstep to the boss.. yeesh
crimson palm
shadowsteping the boss is fun 😄
fleet anchor
If you ever need any proof that a fight was never tested internally with a Rogue... 🤣
crimson palm
as a workaround you can focus your tank
and just shadowstep him instead as beam is about to come in
😄
crimson palm
but on a serious note you shadowstep the organs and just sprint back to boss
crimson palm
so if u get beam u can shadowstep to a nearby friend
crimson palm
Revvez had something similar no?
fleet anchor
I saw it last night and I was like "wuuuu"
Assassination over here fighting over 100k sim rules 😄
What's 20% damage between friends?
Expedient 16 though like... man
what the hell lol
patent topaz
any 85k gang? 
brazen garden
85k gang massive
lone junco
LOL so much expedient
fleet anchor
I was stuck on 85k for a long time, it happens
lone junco
I did recently find that ilvl doesnt effect Ineffible truth or glimmer, and that I should just buy a cloth/leather/mail/plate boe 445 R3 Ineff.
fleet anchor
It's definitely like a high-end plateau point until you can push through with better Azerite and Corruption.
lone junco
so nice to be broken like that.
fleet anchor
I guess it's probably worth giving up the 5% bonus to primary for item type matching in some cases?
Corruption is pretty strong, I could see it..
lone junco
yeah. Int doesnt scale glimmer itself. So yeah. people are dunking on whatever they can get to stack Ineffable Truth
fleet anchor
Good system
true nexus
fading stag
what're people running for mecha ws with tyr?
raven mica
Well they’re def running 3x SS
wicked narwhal
PVP question here maybe rogue in general. i heard for pvp you want haste at 18-20%, does this mean that there is no reason for me to have any haste procs via azerite or other means
prime void
No you don’t want them. There are better Corruptions.
wicked narwhal
there is one that procs haste and vers
prime void
GW is king. But gl with that. Hope you’re lucky
prime void
That’s Azerite not corruption.
prime void
Azerite wise you’re going to run 3x TTK 1SS/1NP
wet ruin
I was a rogue yesterday with 7 GW
raven mica
Fought a rogue in pvp yesterday that had 4
wet ruin
I feel left out... I found out yesterday
prime void
Howd that fight feel man
raven mica
We were like “WHERE THE FUCK IS HIS DAMAGE COMING FROM”
prime void
Real fair? Real balanced ?
prime void
What was the heals
prime void
I don’t see you winning that much haha
raven mica
I got the pullout on him with big Chungus and i think that’s the only way I pulled the W out
prime void
Queing into that at 2300+ just feels awful to me
prime void
Don’t have a go until 3rd vendetta atleast
@wicked narwhal well I’ll be clear then
No
No hate profs
Procs*
No haste Azerite
No haste corruption
obsidian ruin
hey friends, i have this Q: exang + galecaller, do i use everything on cd or delay exang for snapshotting
quasi pewter
i think you delay galecallers for exsang @obsidian ruin
untold current
Need to bring up my dmg on Drest parse wise now that its on farm. What is the play to getting out more dmg? I can see that I should be trying to cast more Reapings.
rapid smelt
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
untold current
Looks like I should be hitting the maw more
cobalt pelican
the play is just to never hit the boss
there's pretty much always something up with a tank debuff you can be zugzuging
untold current
I think I need to add the debuff to my name plates
wicked anvil
can you guys recommend a good youtuber for a 8.3 assassin rogue guide (pve) ?
untold current
Do you know the name?
cobalt pelican
volatile corruption
312595
but like
they're massive and orange
i just use that as an indicator
arctic walrus
yes
wicked anvil
wowhead guide goes more for crit with gems and enchants while the method.gg one goes more for haste
which is now more true?
prime void
The one that you sim best with
formal kraken
Is the difference in boss damage at Carapace between outlaw and assassination noticeable enough to say "ok im switching spec"?
My rl was super convinced but im like press X to doubt
vast forum
assa should be much better in last phase, the only phase where dps matters
because there's downtime, and outlaw doesn't like downtime
drifting cloud
assa is insanely better than outlaw in p3 boss dmg
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7aGgLxM8JB14YjRA#fight=last&type=damage-done&target=343&start=14595460&end=14813495 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cbtNAv3yrJ1pqRDQ#fight=3&type=damage-done&target=32&start=1625352&end=1860278 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2Fpkbxw3GTBgYdNr#fight=2&type=damage-done&target=23&start=964765&end=1209501 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RTxwdLh3FbCcz47B#fight=12&type=damage-done&target=13&start=4753188&end=4985969
my guilds 4 kills filtered by last phase boss dmg
cobalt pelican
why do none of nyalotha fights have wcl phases yet
is this a blizzard problem or a wcl problem
i want to know who to flame
rancid bobcat
pretty sure it's always been wcl right
they look for something specific to identify as a phase change
there's surely plenty of markers in the logs that they can use
formal kraken
Ty I totally forgot about the downtime with the spreads+eternal darkness
I should go to sleep
strange python
ur kill logs dont mean assa >>>>> outlaw
ur outlaw is running EV etc
assa is definetly better
but ur killlogs dont rly mean anything
cobalt pelican
doesn't really have to be compared to the outlaw of his raid to glean relevant information
he's above the firemage, bm hunter, etc blah whatever i think it's pretty decent evidence that it's better than outlaw (for that specific thign)
strange python
yeah and im saying assa isnt "insanely" better
its better indeed but saying insanely better isnt really true
arctic walrus
Your one random log showing some outlaws beating a sin rogue also dont go to prove your point?
strange python
no im not hinting at the random assa rogue im just hinting at the dmg done by the outlaws in p3
ignore the assa he is trash
what u are forgetting rae is that most outlaws run aoe corruptions on that fight and dont rly go into ST in those parses
im just saying if an outlaw chooses to play ST corruptions etc etc he can also pump boss dmg in p3
strange python
thats not what i said
i said assa rogues are better
but saying assa rogues are insanely better is plain wrong
there are even more logs showcasing this but dont want to spam links in here so just look for them urself
drifting cloud
im sorry that 20% better isnt enough for you
and that you took your time to link actual r1 boss dmg outlaw log
ill try better next time
fleet anchor
I mean the damage is just as drastic in the other report. Like with most things, just play what your raid needs you to play. Are you hurting on killing adds in time, focusing P1 hemos, or cleaving P2 shit? Go Outlaw. Are you hurting on boss DPS in P3? Go Assassination. It's pretty straightforward on that fight really.
strange python
why are u assa players always so butthurt i play both specs myself
i even agreed with you that assa is better for pure bossdmg
fleet anchor
As always, just play what your raid needs. That's why pure classes have multiple specs. 😄
strange python
but u guys somehow think assas are gods compared to outlaw when both specs are dogshit compared to hunters and shit
fleet anchor
Carapace is at least one fight where BM is not too OP, but that's mostly because their pets spaz in P2. However they are still pretty good in P3.
shy dust
No one thinks assassination is “God”
cobalt pelican
assassination is literally only passable at one thing
and it's what the guy asked about
shy dust
The question was asked is there a drastic difference between boss damage for carapace in P3 and the answer is yes
fleet anchor
Outlaw vs. Assassination is basically just a coin flip on that particular fight based on your raid DPS profile
Assassination should usually do more P3 boss damage though yes
strange python
some of u guys should read what i wrote to begin with
to understand that i literally said assa is better but not that its INSANELY better
cobalt pelican
for the thing that the guy is asking about it kinda is
the overall boss damage statistics are somewhat representative, but i'd hazard that the gap grows when you narrow to p3
given the nature of the phase
fleet anchor
Unfortunately WCL doesn't have good phase filters for Carapace 😦
strange python
its representative cause the outlaws choose to play aoe setups rather than full st setups
rancid bobcat
i mean 20% is pretty big like if ur sim went up 20% that would be pretty insane right
strange python
we are talking about bossdmg not about padding logs
rancid bobcat
just depends what you consider insane
cobalt pelican
both kinds of player are included in the statistics
for both specs
it might be more normal to have aoe stuff for outlaw but that's also because aoe stuff scales better with outlaw naturally anyway, like td isn't a completely dead st corruption even if it's not great
raden weapons are v ery good single target still
maybe not premium SSssSsS bis tier
but very functional
fleet anchor
Outlaw actually can be pretty high on boss damage in P3 depending on if they can refresh Wits stacks at the right time. But it's hard to get too much out of like the top 100 parses of either spec since like P1 on boss damage for every spec is just "heyoooo my TA/TD proc'd a billion times"
But Assassination will generally be higher
strange python
raden weapons arent good st u dont play them in st ud choose other corruption effects
worldly sandal
so what are the odds of me getting a dagger tomorrow?
cobalt pelican
127%
cobalt pelican
i got one with avoidant 1 on it that was pretty good
worldly sandal
ive gotten like 8 rings, 3 bracers, 3 legs, and 3 gloves between my characters
some good stuff yeah, but on my pally and rogue im being held back by weapon damage
worldly sandal
i got 470 with T3 surging vitality last week
a week after getting mindflay
no more legs plx plox
cobalt pelican
i've narrowed my 'pls gibe' loot to belt/dagger/legs/gloves with expedient or gw
i'm sure i won't be disappointed
i suppose a ring might work too
worldly sandal
my best drops this season have been 475 logic loop with socket and gushing wounds (pally) and 465 belt with socket and expedient 3 (rogue)
worldly sandal
that sounds uncomfortably accurate
i got heroic vita from TW quest and mythic coral on the same day a couple weeks ago
im convinced im gonna have bad luck till SL
glacial steppe
@fleet anchor the guy from the warrior sim not only has 5x t3 expedient but also several t3 severes for his fury spec, like wtf
i wish i had his corruptions on my rogue
dude
grave delta
drifting cloud
rancid bobcat
melee on psychus 2 is a mystery
opal minnow
can confirm
primal egret
swift herald
if i am going for high dps in heroic N zoth wich food buffs and flasks should i use?
patent topaz
agi flask and probably crit food. Those will be very tiny contributors for your overall damage though
arctic harness
Just pop everything on psychics when he’s at 5 stacks or some shit
patent topaz
for my best log I played 3 NP with vop minor
arctic harness
Just go rank 8 mind flay and hope it procs on Psychus 
Slurpie slurpie
If it doesn’t, reset the boss
quasi oriole
Yo what're bis assa rogue azerite pieces & traits + what boss's drop them
manic pebble
where can I buy a new dagger in bfa?
I've been stuck with 280 daggers for a while now
narrow robin
Auction house
Or cap conquest once and get 440s
Nazjatar questline gives 370 within the first 5 minutes of being there
arctic harness
AH sells ilvl 400 crafted daggers
narrow robin
Heroic dungeons drop 415, Mythic0 drops 430, World quests drop 400ish level stuff
strange python
check the timewalking vendor, maybe they have weapons too atm im not sure
grave trail
Is the SS/Exang with lots of haste the to go build now? or just memes
rigid mango
It's good if you can get the corruption for it.
Also just good if u wanna log short fights
crimson palm
r5 should be able to pull ahead depending on the amount of haste pieces you've on your gear
grave trail
fair enough does exang change the rotation a lot or is it easy to implement and get used to
glacial steppe
do I treat exsang buffed bleeds like a stealth garotte and always let them run out? probably right?
crimson palm
ye
glacial steppe
also wondering about the third exsang and if i want to use it on cd cus it delays my next vendetta by another 15s or so
crimson palm
if you don't lose a vendetta cast cuz of the delay, you delay it
else you delay the third exsan
glacial steppe
Ah kk, been doing stuff correctly then haha
i want to hurry up and kill nzoth so i can finally test my build in a reclear
but we only at 48% yet
crimson palm
you can goof around with it on heroic if your guild does speed kills or stuff
glacial steppe
yeah but its not the same as mythic
especially when you dont even get a second vendetta :<
dark crag
Don't you have to do nazjatar by default to get 35 neck?
strange python
i think its even 50 now
marble kettle
Ye 50
shrewd night
You only have to unlock the portal to progress to the next quest in the main scenario
strange python
Is there a nyalotha guide for assassination? This my first time going into heroic since returning to the game and want to make sure I'm running the right builds and rotations
hmmnot that i know
but you can look stuff up on wcl like this https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/24#boss=2329&difficulty=4&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination
then set the boss on the top left and maybe ilvl too to something lower
there's also this site which has the same info basically https://nyalotha.subcreation.net/assassination-rogue-dark-inquisitor-xanesh.html
swift timber
If I'm fighting 4 training dummies do I rupture 3-4 of them before doing toxic blade envenoms or is that higher prio than spreading bleeds?
vast forum
rupture is your highest dpet (damage per execute time) ability, so if you're looking at overall dps, rupturing a target that will live the full duration is always the best choice
north finch
Hey all, I started playing my rogue again and this time I'm focusing on the assassination spec. Is envenom my combo point dump cast after by bleeds and poisons are applied?
strange python
yep
north finch
Awesome thanks, I'm reading the guides now but also just trying to learn as I play
heavy lark
how much corruption are people running on mythic progress kills?
dark crag
Up to 39
strange python
Most progress with 39-59
I personally go 59-79 other than ilgy
heavy lark
sub 39 you're massively gimping yourself
dark crag
We talk first kill prog here
strange python
Yeah me too
sly shoal
This might be a stupid question but what's the reasoning behind running TB over Exsang in M+, wouldn't Exsang lend itself more to triple SS?
heavy lark
thing from beyond isnt an issue with feint or poisoned knife its just the slow from the +60 thats the hinderence
strange python
Ilgy and nzoth idnt go over 39
heavy lark
@strange python what corruptions do you run <39 if dont mind me asking?
tbh im just debating running a rank7 twisted appendage perma
dark crag
Plumage
strange python
@heavy lark im running TAs and 2x GW
dark crag
But that is literally double on use cancer
Font was 30 sec, so it worked together with coral
strange python
Depending on how much corruption i have i also put in a honed mind cuz i was playing vop major for our raden first kill
On that fight i played t3 strikethrough 2x t2 TA 2x GW and t2 honed mind
heavy lark
@strange python i can run xrank5tp x1 gushing but it seem the other rogues Twisted appendage leaves mine for dead.. even though the gushing and the tp sims higher it doesnt make sense in reality
slim lava
ye double use is thrash, those 2are so good
strange python
Yeah TA is basically procc luck try i started replacing them with expedient and stat corruptions
heavy lark
it honestly feels bad when you dont get the procs
im running x3 Np so i could try vision major with r2 honed mind gushings and tp
sims are just all over the place so its hard to find a definitive answer
strange python
I just played it because it was simming +1k in 5 mins and +3k in 4 mins etc
heavy lark
i'll try sim again, but usually when i do it just tells me to go DD build and im not the biggest fan
coarse vault
Is the Electrostatic Induction bracers good (at say 470?); do I have to let it channel or is it a press and forget?
lethal heart
just press and forget it
but its not good
just sim
but its worse than wrists with normal stats on same ilvl
prisma ermine
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > vers => mastery > haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
coarse vault
k thx; it rolled a socket and is 5 ilevels better than next piece
ember mural
little root
hahah i know i know....i only came back recently since 8.1 and hate naz sooo.. i do have my ally lvld up enough for rank 2 but havent bothered getting the quest for it cause idc about the healing increase but i will when i get rank 3
arctic harness
Damn, Extravagant Epaulettes are simming higher for me than Gorak Tul's playing the exsanguinate build
Need more haste I guess
uncut nova
Infinit simming highest for me :(
little root
oh whoops that sim didnt have the right gloves... i have shitty 420 expedient 2 gloves that a technically an upgrade
*are
I just got that 470 GW dagger with socket today tho that was nice
toxic remnant
what azerite traits do i take for m+/PvE for assa
little root
theirs some flexibilty depending on ilvl and gear and stuff but generally SS and EB are good for m+
heady drum
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wBva4nYAGLCMUkPkfgET1k
how reliable is the "rotation" part of the sim?
little root
ttk dd nop are all fine as well
if youre able to stand still and do nothing but hit your target in a fight then that rotation is very reliable lol
worldly sandal
you gar/rup/gar for the extra tick of garotte from stealth iirc
cobalt pelican
race change from male nightelf
cobalt pelican
and the sample ability log is accurate
heady drum
ahh and then it vanishes and does double garrote
cobalt pelican
if you have a single shrouded (which you do on your helmet), it's worth getting the 5.4 bonus seconds on that garrote
toxic remnant
nothing personal or blightborn infusion
toxic remnant
if i already have one nothing personal
little root
blightborn generally unless u specifically need higher burst for a dps window or something
probably blightborn always then if u already have on np but yea sim lol
*one
oh hm.
weak garnet
Quick question, when I sim it tells me to put my 470 dagger with mindflay in main hand and 475 no corruption in offhand. I thought higher ilvl always goes in mainhand?
strange python
Can you link the Sim?
weak garnet
I'm running another don't have the link handy sorry
strange python
Check your Browser History :P
weak garnet
I'll link the new one when it's done.. It just takes me to gear compare for some reason
sly yoke
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aVKu8BnWkUCfQ5xVs6yGeC how much haste is too much?
weak garnet
sorry
hollow robin
Does moment of clarity corruption do anything for assassination? or any of the rogue specs in general?
weak garnet
Okay, here is the sim where it says having the higher ilvl in offhand is a dps increase
sly yoke
swap enchants
lean marten
dungeonslice is the poopoo for assa
strange python
BC it hasnt simmed socketed Cara dagger offhand + wrathion dagger mainhand
Only wrathion mainhand + non Socket Cara dagger offhand
Idk, maybe something like that
Doesnt really make sense to me though
At least I don't see a combination where you have 475 MH + 470 Socket OH, only 470 OH without a Socket
And swapping enchants does nothing, doesnt matter which weapon the enchant is on
weak garnet
Alright, I'll try another sim. ty for the input
uncut walrus
!oh
vestal wren
there is no reason to have !oh for assassination
you can only use daggers bc. of mut
spark olive
whats optimal crit/haste for raiding, i see some people managing about 40 crit and 35 haste. i have about 30/30 should i aim to get more of each. and which gems should we be stacking haste over crit?
velvet wind
How much is a socket worth? Not 10 ilvls? Got a weapon in my cache that is 470 compared to my 460 with a socket.
fossil sedge
Anyone else seeing this on raidbots? There has to be some explanation.
strange python
what do you not understand
wicked anvil
strange python
just sim your gear and see whats best, dont blindly follow stat-weights
tranquil moat
Any of you able to provide some advice?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7ADU749tWKUkYaX2d49Zj4
fossil sedge
There is no way that there is a 12k difference in race choice for dps.
wicked anvil
how do I sim which enchants i should get?
strange python
Top Gear
On raidbots.com
You can select enchants and Gems further down
@fossil sedge probs just something wrong with bloodmallet, you can find the same info here: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/races/1t-t25-assassination
And like the other Guy said: following stats a Guide tells you to use is largely useless.
Just sim your relevant Gear combinations, enchants and Gems and use what is best.
The stat Setup that is best varies from character to character
And Changes constantly with new Gear etc. obviously
@tranquil moat you probably dont wanna run exsang with your gear level, have you simmed the alternatives?
tranquil moat
Let me check for you
strange python
can some1 tell me how to advance sim if id use clf on cooldown so i have a comparison?
@tranquil moat try this https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/KC5Mk5ovEj9aJZ6KvEqfW
and get better trinkets
tranquil moat
no SS?
strange python
Just Change the Guardian of azeroth Line
In the APL
To "guardian_of_azeroth"
Without any conditions
@strange python
tyvm
tranquil moat
What's your reason for no SS @strange python ?
Also, thanks for that - 4k is more than I was getting
strange python
what is your reason for wanting SS?
i just dont think your gear supports exsang for single target very well
wicked anvil
guffin i tried top gear and checked the boxes for the ring enchantment but they dont work
he doesnt let me show how my DPS would be if i had haste on my rings instead of critical strike
sly yoke
do I even need to swap gems if it's only +68?
strange python
you have to tick that box
You need to Tick "replace existing enchants and Gems" and then click the enchants you want to compare @wicked anvil
strange python
Shit happens, If it's your first time seeing that stuff it's normal to miss smth
Btw, first reclear starting tomorrow, and I'm not in for Carapace 
Need both dagger and Chest
Uuuunluck
little root
f
lone junco
Lolled hard when my dh used his and it hit a pillar in the arena.
waxen oasis
its so shit sometimes lol
first time ive got a non corrupted piece in awhile and actually not been mad about it
grizzled trail
its been forever since ive used CLF but CLF>vendetta right?
sour glade
Ayy, mythic chest had a new expedient 2 for me on bracers. 3k DPS for 15 corruption, gotta love it
quasi pewter
merry perch
Any tips for problem with energy starving and keeping up dps after cd/bl windows? I feel like dps drops more than it should
sour glade
If you're being energy starved likely you just need more haste.
merry perch
Whats a good haste range i wanna be at?
sour glade
Also I can't find it in pins, where do I hit worldvein in raid running subt no ss. Go gar, mut to 4+, rupture, vend, mut, TB, mut again if sub 4 env. Does worldvein go before the vendetta?
Jhordie, there isn't a specific number, but my raid setup is base 35% and I would love any amount more. I still have to pool at times. Ultimately it's about your sim though.
vast forum
surprisingly enough, casting fewer but stronger abilities CAN lead to more dps than more weaker abilities 🙂
haste and crit are the only 2 stats that affect the feel of assa
but they can end up being your worst stats
warm parcel
When you have a certain amount of them yes
Thats how stats work
Even if haste and crit are most important for a spec
There can be times when others beat them
honest iris
What do you need for the garrote build
cobalt pelican
3ss on high ilvl azerite with good second/third rings and very good overall gear ideally with expedient
outer moon
Hey all - question about the "stacking order" (for lack of a better term) when it comes to damage increase. In this case, Toxic Blade with Nothing Personal. If I cast Vendetta and then TB, will NP have its damage increased for the 9 seconds of TB, or will Vendetta need to be cast after TB to benefit?
vast forum
dots don't snapshot (except exsang and subterfuge garrote)
so, if you press vend and then tb, all of NP ticks inside the 9 sec of TB will do increased damage
outer moon
Gotcha, so it's still beneficial to cast Vend beforehand for the increased damage of the TB strike. Sweet, ty!
vast forum
yea, guides and logs have opener sequences 🙂
you also don't wanna use a global in TB for vendetta anyway
spare narwhal
Is it worth it to use both twilight Dev I and II when running M+. Not sure if that will increase the likelihood of twilight dev proccing
quasi pewter
it increases the damage
vivid prism
Does racing pulse stack? I didnt think it did but I got 460 boots with r3 expedient and one boot with r3 racing pulse and sim keeps says use 2 r3 pulses. Guess it right but wanted to check
dark crag
Dmg and stats always stack, proc chance doesn't
vivid prism
Ok so should run 1 expedient and 1 racing pulse then correct?
vast forum
use what your sim tells you
hallow heron
new to nelf, how do you get shadowmeld to proc subterfuge mid fight? or do you have to press stealth really quick?
vagrant egret
You have to stealth after using it
vivid prism
Well sims say use 2 r3 racing pulse but if they don't stack not sure why it's telling me too. I have gloves with r3 racing and 2 460 boots one with r3 racing the other boot r3 expedient
cobalt pelican
the procrate doesn't increase, the amount of haste you get for the proc does
vivid prism
Ah ok that makes sense thanks.
wicked anvil
is there any video or so of how to play assassin rogue?
only see this usual wow streamers who do a video for every specc but i doubt their in depth knowledge
tranquil moat
is there a certain point of expedient that I should get before switching to SS & exsang?
dark crag
Sim it. If the dps is not that much different, go for it
rigid mango
Whatever sims best
shy dust
There is no static number
Of this amount of haste is good
Use top gear and find your best combination of gear
sudden canyon
theres no soft cap or whatever
scarlet sequoia
50%
tranquil moat
That’s the thing. There’s some items on the AH for cheap which are expedient 3, but I don’t want to gamble it if it’s a small dps increase 😭
dark crag
49.1337
shy dust
Mr haste himself has spoken
tranquil moat
Trying to decide what’s more important, expedient 3, severe 3 or stars 3
Before I buy
sudden canyon
anything i should be weary about with sims?
vast forum
just use logic everything else is fine
for example, infinite star will obviously sim well on ST, but if you're trying to gear for m+ or a boss with adds, it's probably gonna be trash
sudden canyon
im not just sure my level of logic is good. can i give you a concrete example?
sudden canyon
tryna choose between 2 setups
tranquil moat
Expedient 3 on boots and switch to haste gems?
vast forum
first setup will be far more consistent
with TA, you can have huge dps variance
which is good if you're going for logs and just wanna pull until you get good rng
but not optimal for progress
but on average, the one that sims better will do better 
@tranquil moat you can just use gearcompare to see what's best for you
tranquil moat
Cheers, didn’t think of that. Will give it a try just now
vast forum
generally, you'll want to gem haste at some point with expedients, but there isn't a specific point
sims > opinions of people online
unless the opinion of people is that you should go and sim
tranquil moat
@vast forum can’t seem to get the gear comparison thing to work, will try it again tomorrow.
I’m playing full crit right now but there’s an expedient 3 boots on AH for really cheap. And I can get a stars ring for cheap too.
outer moon
@vast forum Thanks for the info! I read the guides fairly regularly, I'm just "that guy" that likes to tinker and break shit to find new things, if ever possible. I just wasn't aware that snapshotting wasn't a thing.. I'm guessing I missed something major during one of my WoW breaks a few years ago :/ My sim is telling me 79k single target, so, I'll find out on M Shad tonight xD
vast forum
snapshotting was removed with the MoP - wod transition
@tranquil moat i don't recommend using stars
outer moon
Yeah, I took a look at it after you mentioned it. Makes life easier.
vast forum
better to get the mechagon ring set
tranquil moat
I have those, I could just use those instead. Just want to make sure one expedient 3 items is enough before I buy it
wary ice
should i be excited about these? I didn't even know they were on the loot table, but hey socket 2td 🤷
leaden garden
Is asa dmg in m+ comparable to outlaw damage? or far behind?
honest iris
sin needs to go full aoe spec to match outlaw, but then it does no single target dmg
leaden garden
Aha I see, thanks
prime void
Yes it does comparable dmg
The issue is having to use vanish offensively and not having gouge.
arctic walrus
idk about "no single target dmg"
leaden garden
Hmmhmm. I like that asa seems to have more consistent damage compared to outlaw, no?
maiden palm
I mean outlaw can be somewhat RNG with rolls, but they are both pretty consistent
drifting cosmos
is that on use wrist any good from mechagon?
drifting cosmos
hmm i see, thanks
harsh tusk
How much verse do you guys run on avg in mythic NYA? My sims keep telling me to up verse, sometimes enchant weapon with verse over haste
dark token
when i look at rogues and see wow he did good damage wonder what his corruption is: https://i.imgur.com/aE06YvG.png
meanwhile out of 100+ corruption drops on 2 characters, havent seen a SINGLE piece of expedient
torpid linden
yo on hivemind is it worth it to garrote bosses + ravager before using bote?
also if im using bote should I not use envenom and keep spamming fok? during the add spawn part with like 6+ adds around me easily
main blaze
In the same boat @dark token
lean marten
personally i use vanish and garrote 2 bosses + ravager then bote fans
every ravager phase
its doable with steps if boss is seperated
torpid linden
does ur bote have issues lining up with the next phase tho?
i've done that and it seemed like bote was 10s late
scarlet sequoia
imagine not having good gear 
versed mica
What's more accurate- simming dungeonslice, or simming patchwork 4 targets?
polar sinew
cobalt pelican
accuracy depends on what the goal of your sim is, really
every fight style has benefits and problems for application to a 'full dungeon'
versed mica
I just want a gearset that will work best in most situations on average I guess?
cobalt pelican
dungeonslice despite it's flaws is always going to give an output closer to the real 'best' because it forces it into no-cd packs, varying pack sizes, st, etc
i generally prefer just to sim a bunch of aoe sizes/lengths and a shorter st sim and see if there's anything resembling consistency across the lot
versed mica
Gotchya. I think I'll just go with that then. Each type of sim told me to use different talents (like vigor/DS
cobalt pelican
but i think most people just feely assassination m+ for the most part
versed mica
and CT/PB
cobalt pelican
that's where you're going to have to take into accounts how big the differences are to the ones simming lower
and how valuable they are to you in the real world
ie if pb is lower in an ape aoe sim, by how much, and do you care in that case?
versed mica
Gotchya. Thanks.
prime void
Also just depends on how you’re running your keys
Pull size/ re stealths/ the actual dungeon density / etc
zinc zealot
for me i just sim 10 target 40 second / 5 target 40 second and 1 target 3 min to get a gauge of what i should roughly run in a dungeon
and sometimes 3 target 40 seconds for dungeons like KR WS with smaller pulls
leaden garden
Anyone knows if I have to be in asa specc to have the hidden appearance item drop from rares in underbelly?
abit offtopic...sorry
grave eagle
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
fluid phoenix
Vigor or deeper stratagem? I like vigor a lot. But I feel when S&D comes back with the level squish then I won't feel a need for vigor.
fathom swift
you're asking what you should play for prepatch already?
raven mica
alright i lost the bet
I got the carapace dagger
Gotta play this shit spec for nzoth
wtf do I do
versed mica
just play what you want noob
Play outlaw with carapace dagger OH if you're that determined to use it lmao
shy dust
You slam Nzoth Muffin
raven mica
no you dont understand
thorny bison
guys, the SS is really outdated now?
raven mica
I lost the bet
I gotta do it
do I go DD TB or SS exsang.
why do I see so many corals, I thought coral was bad for this fight
shy dust
You can build stacks
Leaving it on Nzoth occasionally bleeding him
Also most people prefer to run burst traits like NP since it’s just usually burst windows of damage versus consistent stream of getting to attack Nzoth
shy dust
I don’t know about the validity of using SS exsang on Nzoth
Most for boss damage just switch to stacking NP with vision minor for boss with other regular traits
thorny bison
honestly im focusing ass for pvp and.. im rlly lost
stray pumice
Idk if this question is dumb or what, but how often should i Use Razor Coral?
Like every times it comes off cd or should i wait for a specific number of stacks?
raven mica
sync with vendetta
merry perch
I seem to have a very bad habit of using TB at 5 combo points to empower envenom. Mostly due to seal of fate extra combo points being generated. Is the combo point overcapping a dps loss over the unempowered envenom? Wowanyalzyer says its a major thing i need to fix but was just wondering if that really is the case
Or should i just use TB at any point while under 5 CP and try and squeeze 2 envenoms in the window
drifting cloud
wowanalyzer isnt updated, tbing at max cp is fine
strange python
is it better to pool for tb than to keep up elaborate planning beforehand?
i never seem to be able to get three envenoms in one tb anyways so 2 is the norm
arctic walrus
3 should be pretty achievable, are you not using tb at 4/5 cp and envenom is your first gcd inside it
strange python
yeah sometimes mid fight i don't have a lot of energy regen and it gets sloppy
hollow robin
Hey all, guild is doing prog on M Cara, and I'm curious which is the better spec for the fight, Ass or Outlaw? My assumption is depends on if the group needs more single target vs cleave, but curious if there any other opinions/tips for the fight
prisma monolithBOT
All specs are good. Specific ones shine in specific areas.
Check the following resources for the facts:
Warcraft Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/24#class=Rogue
Raider.io: https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-bfa-3/all/world/leaderboards
sour citrus
!abb
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue abbreviations: http://www.ravenholdt.net/rogue-abbreviations/
patent topaz
garrote
sour citrus
how can you garrote 3 times on opening? I know you can with 2
patent topaz
subterfuge
keen dome
With Shrouded Suffocation and Subterfuge
sour citrus
ah, got it now, thank yo @patent topaz and @keen dome
stiff tartan
anyone know where i can read how to play 3x SS + exsanguinate build ?
stiff tartan
:/
livid grove
what azerite trait for Mplus?
vestal wren
ss and eb
livid grove
ah okay
opaque relic
Is eb actually good to stack or to even have 1? Dungeons slice Sims tells me to go 3x SS, 1x HoD, NP and mechagon trait. Even though I can run 3x SS and 2x EB.
arctic walrus
do the 3/2, dungeonslice is very well optimized for this spec
worldly iron
opaque relic
Ok thanks for info
arctic walrus
Oops 🙂
tranquil moat
doesnt seem it
scarlet sequoia
why not
boreal maple
gieeef
fathom swift
yeah thats one of the better trinkets to get out of your box, wouldn't be unhappy getting one of those atm
scarlet sequoia
its one of the better trinkets in general at least for raiding
tranquil moat
That's good to know, it was trinkets I needed
Just thought there was better ones that's all
but I'm still using the mechagon wheel bullshit so this will be nice
@scarlet sequoia how many expedient rolls did you have before you switched over to haste/3xSS?
scarlet sequoia
about 17
sour citrus
are we running with more versatility now than haste? I've been low on dps with crit haste build
outer moon
Anyone encounter VoP not proccing a single time in a 5 minute fight?
latent grove
How dumb would it be to cleanse Shard of the Black Empire if I already have other tentacle pieces?
shrewd night
Depends on the ilevel
shrewd night
I mean....
The corruption scales with ilevel. So if your shard is lower than the other pieces it would be pretty smart.
latent grove
how dangerous is going above 40 corruption really? I generally have only played below 40
shrewd night
Depends on fight and how confident you are in not dying to thing from beyond
Most people run with 59 or even 79 in trivial encounters
latent grove
let's just say broadly M+
shrewd night
Same answer
The higher keys you do, the generally lower corruption youll wear.
I cant answer a question where the answer is based on your own ability to play and the key levels you do.
latent grove
I really am just annoyed cuz I have 3 pieces of 12% verse increase corruption
and I wanna put em on
but IK it's wrong to do so atm
tranquil moat
you want haste or crit as sin
latent grove
well it's my offhand for outlaw
but it's mainhand for sin
so I figrued I'd ask the cleansing thing here
boreal maple
might aswell wait for ra-den wep then for your offhand
latent grove
raden weapon would be mainhand and I'd still probs use the dagger as offhand
until I got 2 raden weapons
because 470 vs 460 from my OL mainhand (crawgs claw)
bile stained crawg tusk or w/e
boreal maple
ilvl in OH dosnt really matter
tranquil moat
any quick fixes to get me past 70k?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5cog1XqhrRZ5Kk7aV66nFN
feral creek
get blood of the enemy and conflict and strife😉
kindred sphinx
Double dose X3 is better than Ttk on single target that should do it. Not really a quick fix though
warm parcel
There arent any magical fixes
Just get better gear lol
And get essences leveled up
upper trench
is the tiny lighning in a jar 475 any good? it sims 200 more dps ST but neither in AoE seems to be better than wrathion socketed trinket :S
tropic ocean
strange python
When do you use BoE in your opening Rotation?
echo crest
is World Vein working fine on sims? i sim so much for it on major even with 0 ally with WV
i sim almost 1k more than bote as major
lost slate
how goods ineffable truth for assa?
boreal maple
its working as intended on sims
but the sims dosnt accoutn for boss moving etc
so often its not really better
rigid mango
ineff truth sucks
woven pine
@strange python after vendetta before TB
radiant vapor
Is assassination better than outlaw for pve?
plain thistle
depends on the situation
radiant vapor
Thinking of just converting since it’s much better for PvP but I’m having trouble getting daggers in mythic
Outlaw has been working well since I’m new to BFA and the cleave is insane
plain thistle
if outlaw is working for you go for it, both are viable right now
kind lantern
you can always keep loot spec to one or the other
outlaw only needs one nondagger mainhand for dispatch (disregarding stat priorities etc)
strange python
should i go self-reliance or gemhide?
scarlet sequoia
yeah
strange python
@strange python after vendetta before TB
@woven pine thank you! TB is?
quasi pewter
self reliance is bad
wary ice
When are you supposed to use BotE w/ Exsanguinate in an opener, right after vend, or after the exsang?
wary ice
then Mut->Env spam -> vanish when gg drops?
scarlet sequoia
mhm
wary ice
awesome thanks
woven pine
@strange python Toxic blade
strange python
@strange python Toxic blade
@woven pine ah ok thank you 🙂 than i am using it right
novel pebble
Is there a reason why toxic blade doesnt affect bag of tricks for vulpera or is blizzard just saying no fun allowed.
fathom swift
I usually hold, you're unlikely to miss a cast holding
worldly sandal
my parses on raden are pretty bad, and the only thing i can think im doing wrong is not putting enough DPS onto the adds
fathom swift
just keep bleeds up on everything
lean marten
if the mob will live for 15+ seconds
silver musk
@worldly sandal just rupture adds and sit on raden if you’re playing DD
ebon zodiac
hey guys! what stats + corruptions should I aim for with 3x SS 3x EB traits for M+? I have a bunch of mastery pocs + % corruptions but I feel like echoing build needs mostly crit + vers...
strange python
do i save BoE for Vendetta? Or use it seperatly?
lean marten
@ebon zodiac do u use BotE? gives u good crit burst windows without sacrificing gear/corruptions
or a coral
ebon zodiac
dont have it unfortunately, i do have a 430 coral tho that i dont use
lean marten
not sure if a 430 would be worth, but I'd reccomend BotE for sure
ebon zodiac
would 3x SS 3x NP be good with a ton of mastery? maybe even use Vision of Perfection major?
lean marten
3x NP + VoP major is better ST
EB for m+
altho 3xSS & 3xNP + VoP major is a decent middle ground spec for all content tho
fast pine
Guys, I feel like simming for assa rogue in mono/raiding is not reliable at all:
Looking at warcraft logs, I see that the top 100 rogues use MF r4 or t6 with some haste and some crit.
Simming myself with this setup i find that I get a "low" 78k with this setup:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rbPyCV2FRkHmnJsaQxNBz5
MF has 15% uptime, I'm pretty sure raidbot doesn't know that MF procs with poisons as well and that is why you need a shit ton of hast when playing this build. Hitting the pole for 5 min sttaight i hold a comfortable 90k dps with MF 30% uptime....
I have also tried the following build that sims 5 k higher:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3xE3GnrGc3CvfmoxwGGABR
However, this one performs very poorly in practice as raidbot expects the best master r4 procs.
MY conclusion on this is that simming is good but when it concerns corruptions or whole builds. It is not really reliable. I would love to know what you guys think about that.
bleak spoke
what is MF
bleak spoke
Looking at warcraft logs, I see that the top 100 rogues use MF r4 or t6 with some haste and some crit.
what does this mean
bleak spoke
what is t6
force multiplier i guess would be "MF"
but uh
i think he's missing the bit where it actually also has 58% uptime in the sim
bleak spoke
yeah idk there's quite a bit wrong here
fast pine
Mind flay
bleak spoke
vision minor doesn't look like a winning essence with a setup that has
a 1 minute trinket
lean marten
MindFlays are typically used becuase easy to get, not necessarily "best"
fast pine
yep im changing vision
bleak spoke
versatile nav and force multiplier are way off the normal for people's best simming setups
usually it's quick nav + deadly nav
fast pine
it's my pvp setup in the sim im simming with normal setup now ahahaha. but im still simming very low compared to what i do in real world
bleak spoke
while it's probably a wash on the sim with that azerite trait setup you probably play master assassin to save yourself the headache of slightly disjointed cds
i mean in the real world you get lucky or unlucky, the sim is 10 thousand iterations of a computer hitting a dummy and an average of that
it definitely does play mfd bad though, given it uses it like at -0.0s prepull
when you're supposed to mfd at 18s to pull or whatever
lean marten
also i'd recommend calling MindFlay, TA ppl will recognize that as Twisted Apendage corruption
bleak spoke
probably fucks up the early burst window a little bit
or literally typing out mind flay yeah, i don't think i've ever seen anyone abbreviate it like that
fast pine
ahahaha
bleak spoke
also the reason why we play mind flay pieces usually is because of carapace dagger anyway
not because it's particularly amazing
though it does sim quite well
the only 485 dagger coming with t2 mind flay means you either play some of it or cleanse it
and cleansing it seems pretty bad
fast pine
why the proc rate is 13% - 15% on the sim while being above 30% in practice
bleak spoke
it's not over 30% in practice
it's highly variant
i've played 4 minute boss fights without a single proc
fast pine
well i just spent 30 min hitting a pole
bleak spoke
and i've played 4 minute boss fights where i've had 3 proc in a blood of the enemy window
wary ice
because 10k iterations of hitting a dummy is more accurate than 1 anecdotal experience hitting a dummy
lean marten
its rng with some badluck protection
fast pine
got 32% active
wary ice
ur sample size is small and statistically irrelelvant
lean marten
yeah u cant make that comparison
kind lantern
now do that 1000 more times and see if you're still at 32% average
raven mica
Are people running plumage cuz they don’t want to farm a decent badge, or is it just cuz it’s 20 sec vs badge’s 15?
bleak spoke
you'd have to hit a dummy for maybe 500-600x that long to get a statistically significant result probably
fast pine
but it makes no sence for the top raiding rogues to run TA r6 or r8 then.
opal minnow
You're assuming they have comprable replacements
lean marten
pretty sure top raiding assas stacking expedients and xang build
opal minnow
I ran t6 tendie for a long time cause its all i had that was viable
bleak spoke
not to be overly uh... prideful but... you're sort of speaking to a handful of the best raiding rogues right now
🤷
raven mica
IS PROGGING MYTHIC NZOTH CONSIDERED A BEST RAIDING ROGUE???
worldly sandal
Sure
fast pine
nah im not talking about feeding stats
bleak spoke
my 485 socketed carapace dagger with mind flay because i'm not cleansing it because my corruptions are shit 🙂
worldly sandal
👍
raven mica
Yay I feel special again.
lean marten
if you're raiding mythic prolly top 10% at least
bleak spoke
something something muh rank 1s something
raven mica
Imagine having a pull where you coulda gotten an 80
worldly sandal
Something something why do I keep getting racing pulse
raven mica
But your kill pull was a 13
fast pine
I don't feel like corruptions on raidbot are super accurate
lean marten
simulations are way more accurate than 
bleak spoke
okay it's probably better the other way around but i don't see how you'd sim less than like 90k with that
raven mica
THATS A LOTTA HASTE
fast pine
RP is nice tbh
bleak spoke
w/o any concern to like your other gear
worldly sandal
I sim 75k
wicked anvil
do you guys only use daggers or are fistweapon also ok?
worldly sandal
Because my daggers are doodoo
bleak spoke
have you checked a triple ss setup
lean marten
assa can only mut with daggers
bleak spoke
playing deeper strat and exsanguinate
raven mica
Dys tryin to run them slappers on sin
bleak spoke
you 100% have enough haste to do it
vestal wren
you can't cast mut without 2x dagger
worldly sandal
My guild is skipping ilgy while we do our alt runs
So I need to pug him for shoulders
raven mica
Just roll gorak timbs
bleak spoke
raden helm + vexi chest + any shoulders with SS
raven mica
vestal wren
does the question about 1h come up a lot?
if so i can add !oh to assassination too
opal minnow
I've seen it a few times this week fuu
raven mica
Nowhere near as often as it does for outlaw, fuu.
opal minnow
idk if that's enough
raven mica
Probably worth adding it though
bleak spoke
yeah in the most basic part of the faq for sure
like "you must use two daggers to cast mutilate" or something
raven mica
Well he means to the !oh command
raven mica
!oh
vestal wren
moment, letme quick add sth
raven mica
!coral
prisma monolithBOT
The way to use coral in M+ is using it on your priority target,
and then whenever that target dies, reapply it to your next target.
Whenever your target dies it gives you the crit it would give from using it,
so consuming the stacks for crit mid pack is generally suboptimal.
raven mica
Yea ok so !oh only works in outlaw
lean marten
mh sub rogues :^)
raven mica
What’s that spec
worldly sandal
ive got gold tassled, so DD+SS?
bleak spoke
okay sub rogue can use non dagger sin their offhand
raven mica
Is that the 3rd DH spec
bleak spoke
yeah DD plays a bit weird with SS or whatever but
it's not bad
worth a sim at least
if not a reforge
worldly sandal
it would be a reforge yeah, since its part of my M+ set
vestal wren
it works in outlaw and subtlety
worldly sandal
but i can at least sim it
bleak spoke
do note though that the playstyle is very very different if you're used to a master assassin hit the toxic blade and vendetta on hard 2 minutes kinda play
yeah
raven mica
I could actually get good logs when I played SS....
raven mica
BACK IN UUUUULDIR
worldly sandal
so i went back to subt
bleak spoke
paradoxically it feels like you need to stick to the boss harder even though exsang seems like it's a fire and forget option, your double dose procs are, as with tb setups, about mutilating in your elaborate planning windows but you don't have a 25 second framework to work around etc
definitely will feel strange i think
but could be decent
double dose does a lot of damage with or without toxic blade
lean marten
for DD aren't u Mut'ing more into env buff than EP?
bleak spoke
okay like yeah but
opal minnow
ideally its in both
bleak spoke
you have 4s of ep at the start of env buff
so like you muti then and you pool after if you even need to pool nowadays at all right
raven mica
I could get some really long EP chains in uldir.
You have way more haste and lucid minor nowadays, you’ll basically never drop EP now
bleak spoke
so when you play tb it's like you start tb at high cp ideally and high energy
and then you can cast envenom and immediately follow into mutis right
so either if you get unlucky and have low energy 2 cp then 2 cp mutis or something like that
then you have a choice to make
worldly sandal
