assassination

[rigid mango]

You never ever ever drop lucid or breath

[arctic walrus]

90k is okay range with good enough corruptions

pushing 100s you need a lot of expedients

[outer lotus]

Whenever i do sim my sin set it doesnt even want me to use my expedients

[rigid mango]

I'm using like, severe and some tendies and shit

Yeah you need several of them to make it work

idk how many u have

[outer lotus]

2 i think

[rigid mango]

but enough and u drop vigor for DS and you go 3 SS exsang with it

[outer lotus]

Dont know what tier though

Oooh what

[rigid mango]

Yuh

that's what raz does, and the other people who sim insane high

But not generally better

I still play 3 ss exsang 24/7 for memes tho

[drifting cloud]

dont worry you dont have that kind of gear

[rigid mango]

[rocky holly]

i've got r5 tendies, gushing wounds, and r2 expedient. will take off expedient if i get cucked by corruption too much tho

[rigid mango]

idk I've never cared less about minmaxing

[opal minnow]

you've got to have like something like 6 ranks of expedient + a RP or two to make it so you have enough haste for it

[rigid mango]

I use a set that sims several K lower because I enjoy it more

[outer lotus]

Got expedient 1 on belt and expedient 2 + socket in boots thats it

[rigid mango]

Probs not enough then aye

[rocky holly]

445 coral + 460 vita sims about 300dps lower than 445 coral + 475 loaded dice. does this even sound right?

(for me)

[rigid mango]

Does.

Vita also gives haste to ur raid

[rocky holly]

i thought vita was like god tier

[rigid mango]

So better to us it anyways

[rocky holly]

ah

i see

[rigid mango]

Nah, it's just the best.

But not by miles

[rocky holly]

whats the appropriate coral windows?

[rigid mango]

Wdym

[rocky holly]

in general

[rigid mango]

Just use it with vend

[rocky holly]

always?

[versed mica]

is twili dev simbait for st?

[rigid mango]

Dunno how it could be?

And yeah always with vend

Apply at the start

[versed mica]

idk, it seems to out dps a lot of my good shit

[rigid mango]

Consume with vend, reapply after

rinse repeat

[rocky holly]

gotcha

[opal minnow]

or if boss dies in 20 seconds

[rigid mango]

^

[rocky holly]

:p

[rigid mango]

idk how TD could simbait

[versed mica]

there's also the fact that your facing/rng can screw it up so it doesn't hit your target

[rigid mango]

Sure, but most of the time it should be fine

Ofc it's a proc so on shit with downtime it might fuck u over a bit

etc

[proud salmon]

wait you apply at the start and then dont consume until your 2nd vendetta

r?

and then just rince repeat that

[opal minnow]

yes

you want it to build stacks for your vendetta window

more stacks=more crit

[rigid mango]

Sin is all about putting dmg into your vend, give or take

[proud salmon]

does that crit proc thingy affect like mind flay corruptions?

[rigid mango]

any trinket that can be stacked with vend is better

Wdym crit proc thingy?

[proud salmon]

the coral

[vast forum]

yes

[proud salmon]

idk why i said it like that

[rigid mango]

Yes

More crit = more crit for tendies

[proud salmon]

okay just wasn't sure if tendie could crit

[rigid mango]

It's just flat stat

[proud salmon]

thanks

[vast forum]

tbh, i'd consume coral stacks for a tripple r5 tendie proc 😄

[rigid mango]

I just play 🎲 with getting 2 procs in bote window

[proud salmon]

yeah i have a t7 tendie

and it seems like no other corruption I get sims higher

yeah i have a t7 tendie

[rocky holly]

havent use bote in weeks, what does that opener look like again

[proud salmon]

yeah i have a t7 tendie

[rocky holly]

havent use bote in weeks, what does that opener look like again

havent use bote in weeks, what does that opener look like again?

[proud salmon]

yeah i have a t7 tendie

yeah i have a t7 tendie

test

[rocky holly]

havent use bote in weeks, what does that opener look like again?

with subterfuge

[rigid mango]

Just press it after TB

[proud salmon]

my entire corruption build is jsut a tier 7 tentacle

[rigid mango]

But for bote esp it's important that your order is always tb > bote > finish

[proud salmon]

feel like nothing i get sims better

[rocky holly]

garrote > mut > rupture > mut > vend > TB > bote > env

?

[rigid mango]

Yup

But remember you have to be 3+ CP before you press vend

[rocky holly]

ez clap

so sometimes that means hitting mut twice ye?

unlucky

[rigid mango]

Sometimes, aye

Critting is a bitch.

[rocky holly]

what about that first rupture

ok to use at 3-4 or do i need 4-5

[rigid mango]

I think it's fine to use at 3-4

[rocky holly]

gotcha

[rigid mango]

I havn't read into the subt no SS apl that much, I wont lie

But the diff will be minimal

[opal minnow]

you'll likely be reapplying rupture near the end of your vend window regardless of how many cp the initial one was

[rocky holly]

3 NP / 2 DD / 1 heart or 3 NP / 3 DD ?

[rigid mango]

Whatever sims best

[opal minnow]

you'd have to sim

[rocky holly]

kk

[balmy dome]

Quick question, on mythic raden, is it worth to spread bleeds to adds?

[opal minnow]

yes

i wouldn't do it while you have tb on ra den but overall yeah

[balmy dome]

perfect, thank you.

[proud salmon]

wait how do you use coral on ilgynoth prog

like if i go to an organ with a vendetta up

do i just say fuck the coral?

[fathom swift]

if you have stacks on the boss you can still use coral

[proud salmon]

as in if i have stacks from the boss after he dies

or does his death not take the coral off?

like when you kill ilgy for the p2's

[worldly basin]

it stays on him after p1

just like IS

[hardy wind]

for m+ (both 460 with socket) would you say torment in a jar or the loaded dice? using it along with spy glass

[proud salmon]

oh okay so just leave it on him cool

and then you'll probably be able to get the third vendetta with it

[thin sapphire]

can someone help me understand stat prio? looking at high io / high mythic clear rogues and their stats just make no sense to me. i thought haste was good for assass but like half of them use crit gems instead of haste? i just dont get it

[rigid mango]

Crit mast better for m+

Everything's good for ST and too many things change it to give you a definitive prio

[thin sapphire]

everything is good for single target?

so i just focus on item level then if i just care about raiding?

[rigid mango]

You focus on w/e sims tell you to get

Too many things change what is good

For example, I have 2 severe pieces and it wants all crit

But azerite, trinkets, corruptions, essences etc etc etc all shape what you need when

Keeping your top gear sims up to date is the way to optimise sin.

[thin sapphire]

so do i just sim stat weights with all my different corruption / gear combinations and just pick the one with the highest weight? lol im literally so confused

[rigid mango]

You don't sim stat weights

Stat weights = bad.

Top gear = good

Stat weights take your current items equipped and give you what's optimal at that given point

As soon as you change one piece, the prio changes

Stat weights is a tool that should primarily be used to understand impacts of items on your priorities, mainly TC stuff etc

[thin sapphire]

ah ok i think im starting to understand

[rigid mango]

Top gear is how you optimise

[thin sapphire]

thank u my friend

[rigid mango]

Top gear takes into consideration changes in your gear etc.

[thin bone]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/BXaa1yCvx9PAqMdtDTGHD
Breath of the Dying as major? Anyone tried that? 🙂

[fleet anchor]

Yes, a lot 😄

[thin bone]

What do you think? Kinda feels bad in the opener if you ask me

[opal minnow]

why does it feel bad? iirc you use it just like clf

[thin bone]

Just feels like another global to throw randomly

Does it even worth holding it for execute phase at times?

[fleet anchor]

It's worth holding if it saves cooldown time

e.g. if it's more than 30s until the boss reaches 20% you can toss it out, otherwise you wait until 20%

[raven mica]

It’s worth to hold it up to 30 seconds before something gets within range

[opal minnow]

thats the basic hold unless you lose a cast logic right

[thin bone]

yeah sounds about right

[raven mica]

You’ll just get more casts if you do it like that

[fleet anchor]

But honestly the majority of fights in Nya you can death snipe

[raven mica]

Also hold if you think you can snipe

Synapses, raden adds, maut adds

[thin bone]

may I also ask how do you open with MA? would u rather mutilate twice with buff or apply dots?

mutilate to envenom if u get 4cp from mut even?

[thin bone]

tyty

One more question, with BoTE major, do you use blood or toxic blade first in the opener?

[opal minnow]

tb

you'd use it right after vanish in that picture

before*

but after tb

[thin bone]

yeah I was confused for a sec

[opal minnow]

yeah

[thin bone]

TB > Blood > vanish ?

[opal minnow]

yeah

[thin bone]

guess we're back to MA then, I was sure subterfuge was scaling better

[opal minnow]

it does for some, not necessarily everyone

[thin bone]

but I guess there are to many variables to have a blank answer

[rigid mango]

Bote kinda synergizes with ma at the same time as making it worse

[thin bone]

because you wont have ma for the second 1:30 vendeta?

[hoary apex]

would you swap out to a mindflay set over TD in KR/WS etc. on high keys? Now that I have the corruptions to flex between both not sure whether it makes sense or not.

especially on Tyrannical weeks

[hollow vault]

what's pandemic for CT?

jk used my brain hehe

[thin bone]

@hoary apex I'd say its affix-dependent but would mostly go mindflay in workshop

but tbh I play outlaw in most higher workshops i've done (20+)

[hoary apex]

what about KR?

[thin bone]

again imo its affix dependent but I play twilight in kings always

mindflay is most likely better priority dmg if thats what your team needs

[wind falcon]

i just got razor coral. how do i use it correctly?

[hoary apex]

yea, I think I just need to get used to playing with TD. I only got my pieces last week and it feels like I underutilize it a lot because of how I position. I was doing more damage with my double severe, double mindflay setup. thanks for the advice.

[wind falcon]

dope name whiskeyjack

[hoary apex]

thanks! For Razor coral are you asking for raiding? or for M+?

[wind falcon]

both i suppose

[thin bone]

@hoary apex Just make sure you stand in a cone behind the pack and try to not ninjapull 🙂

@wind falcon theres a guide in the Pinned Messages of this channel

[hoary apex]

I don't really like it on M+, it's quite difficult to use to it's maximum effectiveness. and the time spent trying to optimize it takes away from damage imo. But if you want to use it, you use it on the priority target. You don't bother activating it because it activates automatically when the target dies, and you use the crit buff for the rest of the pack and reapply it asap. In practice this is pretty difficult, especially if you are trying to kill evenly. For bosses you apply immediately and consume the stacks in your vendetta window. you reapply immediately after your vendetta window. If the boss will die before vendetta is up, use it approx 20s before the boss will die.

[wind falcon]

ty so much for the info!

[upper elm]

Hey guys i got some questions, Maybe someone could help. While in Vendetta do i still finish with 4 cp Or do i always go up to 5? Second question when iam on 5 cp do i use tb? Or finisher First and Then tb?

[slim lava]

from what ilv diff the azerite traits become irrelevant?

[subtle tundra]

on assa there are traits some traits so bad on single target to the point where no ilvl diff makes them better

[wet dagger]

I am simming higher with Subterfuge with no SS traits than I am with at least 1, any reasoning to this??

[arctic walrus]

ma just stops scaling compared to subt

[wet dagger]

Is everyone just running MA now or is subterfuge still up there

[opal minnow]

its mixed

there's something to the effect of a 50/50 or 60/40 split based on public logs

[arctic walrus]

also there's a lot of fights that can utilize subterfuge's increased damage in cleave situations, while MA is strictly single target

[upper elm]

Hey guys i got some questions, Maybe someone could help. While in Vendetta do i still finish with 4 cp Or do i always go up to 5? Second question when iam on 5 cp do i use tb? Or finisher First and Then tb? 😂 sry for repost But today First assa raid dont want to make mistakes ^^

[arctic walrus]

always finish at 4-5 cp

you can use tb at max cp yes

[vagrant warren]

what is the first azerite piece i should buy for titan residuum?

[arctic walrus]

probably shoulders for gorak tul's

chest and helm you can get from the raid

you can check your own gear in a droptimizer though

[vagrant warren]

is it worth to save for 20k or should i buy the 4750

[shrewd night]

Depends on you

Do you want to gamble every two weeks

Or wait six-seven?

jk, its more like 10

[vale plank]

Which one should i cleanse?

Assasination

btw

[fathom swift]

[cobalt pelican]

expert cropjob

[vale plank]

I know i am pro

[cobalt pelican]

probably the deadly momentum but yes indeed do sim

[vale plank]

Now i am not the best sim boi but i am pretty sure there is no way to sim with and without corruption, if there is please tell me 🙂

[cobalt pelican]

you can just click purify to add a purified version of both items to the sim

[shrewd night]

[limber merlin]

Guyz is x2 Nothing Personal x2 Shroud Suffocation and x2 Echoing Blade Good?

For Mythic Assasination

[cobalt pelican]

probably drop nothing personal for something else if there are other options

[limber merlin]

Can't Get my hands on x3 SS and x3 Eb

[shrewd night]

thats uh

[vale plank]

Nice screen

[limber merlin]

So I Guess NP is Good

Thx Pal

[vale plank]

❤️

[faint harness]

why's your windows bar showing

[vestal wren]

he is running wow in window mode

thats why you see a title bar too 😉

[faint harness]

😱

[shrewd night]

No shit fuu

[faint harness]

but WHY

[vale plank]

wait what version of windows is that ahha

[vestal wren]

it looks like windows 7 thats configured to look like xp

[vale plank]

yea i was so confused

[dark crag]

That screen is hard to look at

[vestal wren]

i think his pc configuration is probably #off-topic

[hasty fern]

Guys, im new to this channel. Can you help me out picking corruption?

Right now i have rank 1 twilight dev and rank 2 Stars, but i just got rank 3 stars in the chest

[shrewd night]

[hasty fern]

But how can i sim myself without removing the corruptions?

Can i remove them inside raidbots?

[hasty fern]

Thank yoiu

[glacial jasper]

Holy god that desk is filthy

[azure grove]

so when should I take master assassin vs subterfuge? it says based on traits, but doesn't actually mention what those traits re

[opal minnow]

sim yourself is the only way to really know.

[cobalt pelican]

subterfuge is generally better for most people regardless of traits at this point

but yes do sim

[tranquil moat]

just spent all my residuum and got 0 shrouded suffocation or echoing blades traits 😦
10 ilvl increase overall though

worth?

[tardy nimbus]

rank 3 was actually an upgrade

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4dEWxidEaChb5RZZ7A8N8f

[worldly fable]

So, for Assa, I sim Patchwerk for ST scenarios and for M+/AOE situations the goal is to stack SS/EB traits along with a buttload of crit or is there a way to sim M+ like outlaw can?

[oblique sparrow]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > vers => mastery > haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

[worldly fable]

Thanks, but I already knew that and that's not what I'm asking

for M+/AOE situations the goal is to stack SS/EB traits along with a buttload of crit or is there a way to sim M+ like outlaw can?

[oblique sparrow]

I didnt do that because of youre question actually^^

was for me

[worldly fable]

Well, I apologize then

[tranquil moat]

@tardy nimbus What setup do you use for m+?

[oblique sparrow]

What confuses me is that some of the top M+ rogues go for crit/mastery others for crit/haste or crit/versa. Do they just focus on ilvl or corruption after crit or something?

[balmy coral]

Might depend on the week, smaller pulls means garrote will do more of your damage so mastery is awesome.

If you go nuts with big pulls EB will be the majority of your dmg so crit/haste/vers will be strong, just my guess

[dire ivy]

it also depends what job they are doing in m+, are they specific there for boss killing or are they supposed to do most of the aoe etc etc

[balmy coral]

I hate playing ST setup in m+ :( aoe feels so bad then

[dire ivy]

well unless u play higher keys where dmg matters to get breakpoints from bosses or a big trash add im pretty sure u can always just spec full mongloid into aoe

[balmy coral]

I ran a couple dungeons with ST last week, but I don't do much higher than 15s

[tardy nimbus]

@tranquil moat 90% of the time i go outlaw if i switch to assa i just go 3xSS 2xHoD 1xBBI i personally stack as many Flays as i can

prob not the most optimal but works for me

[tranquil moat]

My traits fuckin suck for both assa or outlaw. I have no SS for sin and I have no dead shot traits for outlaw..

Any tips? @tardy nimbus

[scarlet sequoia]

get better traits

[tranquil moat]

But upgrading all 4 pieces was the jump from 460>470 ilvl overall, so I’d rather the ilvl tbh

3 pieces*

No shit @scarlet sequoia cheers

[arctic walrus]

I mean ilvl isn’t really that big of a deal if your traits are shit

[scarlet sequoia]

np

[true kindle]

quick question, how much haste is usually enough for assassination?

[scarlet sequoia]

1236

[true kindle]

then it falls off?

[scarlet sequoia]

i kid

theres no specific amount

[true kindle]

oh 😛

[scarlet sequoia]

depends on your corruptions and shit

literally

sim yourself

is the best answer

[true kindle]

im simming for best combinations

is simming for stat weights also worth?

[distant lava]

no

[true kindle]

so basically sim every new piece of gear? :p

[distant lava]

yes

[true kindle]

oof

well ty 🙂

[tardy nimbus]

@chaos trust me for outlaw it doesn't really matter that much just take your highest azerite I will send you my sim in a bit

Assa you kind of need specific traits to make it shine in m+

can i even link my outlaw sim here or will i be punished

[shrewd night]

[tardy nimbus]

@tranquil moat https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gwyufF97bPwimeg3oBvxaU

quick look at it before they seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 😂

i have 2x Blitz 2xDS 1xWits 1xAce not optimal but i would say outlaw is much easier gear wise and trait wise to get going

i do go assa for KR,Workshop sometimes temple and waycrest but rarely

[distant lava]

I'm confused

why would we punish

o

it's sin chat

[boreal vortex]

What other trait do i stack other than

DD ?

on assa

[subtle tundra]

whatever sims best

[storm perch]

hod/np

[boreal vortex]

rank 3 flay boosted like 10-15k dps on sim lmao

[true ridge]

hello guys, when should I use and reuse the coral on raid boss fight ?

[distant lava]

you reuse with vendetta

[true ridge]

alright thank you

and should I always combine it with vendetta + bote ?

[distant lava]

yes

[true ridge]

thanks

[boreal vortex]

😂

[ember iron]

Hi guys, im new here so bear with me 🙂 also im a new(ish) Rogue and my content is mainly mythic+ (then world pve/pvp and eventually a little pvp)... im struggling with a couple of decisions and I am a SIN rogue through and through.

1. How much corruption to manage (current train of thought is trying to get under 29)
2. With that in mind, making this decision: Twisted Appendage III vs Twilight Devastation II

My dungeon slice sim result with 29 (?) max corruption: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7o87KNsvJqzW36q3JcKyCY

Will happily take any kind of recommendations/feedback/guidance on what to do.

Thanks in advance ❤️ - Oh and... 3. is a single target focused build ok in Mythic+ or stick t what im doing with AOE building... (keys around +12 at the moment)

[ember mural]

mydas

29 and 39 corruption is almost the same, try to use that as cap. your daggers are low ilvl, try to get better daggers. h wrathion is v easy to pug

definitely need better trinkets

[pseudo hamlet]

Isn't TTK+EB better than SoB+EB for M+? I mean your helm.

[soft lily]

1. as much as you are comfortable with. If you find yourself dying or taking too much damage consider going below 39 which most people use for progression fights.

2. Twilight Dev is best for AOE/ Cleave and Twisted is great for Single target.

I would alway recommend in keeping both and use what ever benefits your group the most.

Most groups I run with take me for my ST damage on tyrannical weeks which I use DD for but I keep TD rank 3 on to help with the cleave. On The other weeks i run 3x SS with EB and Exsang.

[prisma ermine]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > vers => mastery > haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

[worldly sandal]

BotE or iris for visions?

[lethal heart]

hmm

that feels kinda dirty

ngl

[tranquil moat]

Anything I can do besides heroic raid to get some new azerite bits?
None of my traits are that great.

I have no SS, and no EB 😦

[bronze cipher]

Is poison knife a viable filler for 1 combo point to get off a full 5cp envenom? or is it just better to 4 cp envenom and rebuild hoping for extra CP's with Seal fate procs?

[scarlet sequoia]

no

[bronze cipher]

or is it just better to 4 cp envenom and rebuild hoping for extra CP's with Seal fate procs? so this then?

[scarlet sequoia]

yes

[bronze cipher]

ty

[pseudo hamlet]

Anything I can do besides heroic raid to get some new azerite bits?
None of my traits are that great.

I have no SS, and no EB 😦
@tranquil moat There are no good Azerite from raid(maybe Ilgynoth pauldrons). Azerite items from raid are nice only if you go SS+HoD.

Good azerite are available from Titan Residuum.

[tranquil moat]

I just bought two 460, and one 445 but I got no SS or SB :(
So I'll have to try again next week? @pseudo hamlet

[pseudo hamlet]

I'd rather buy guarantee items than gamble tbh

[tranquil moat]

that's ten weeks of m+ 15s though lol? @pseudo hamlet

for one bit

[distant lava]

@lethal heart show the ring

cause I can do that too

[lethal heart]

its

hit behind 475

[distant lava]

but that would be with a honed mind 2 protecting band

[lethal heart]

and haste 475 with 9% crit

you suck

[distant lava]

[lethal heart]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/raKGXgdqy3tZgCws7WpyJS

42 corruption

thats actually not bad

[distant lava]

did you sim

CLF ?

[pseudo hamlet]

that's ten weeks of m+ 15s though lol? @pseudo hamlet
@tranquil moat welp, I'd rather wait for one good piece than waste them on gambling. Last season wasted plenty of them and still didn't get anything good...

[distant lava]

@lethal heart how much haste is it actually giving at 475 ?

[lethal heart]

195

ye i should maybe

try clf

but idk

[distant lava]

it's not that much more

[lethal heart]

yee its not

but still nice

1st good weekly chest and decent corruption

[distant lava]

I got GW last week

[lethal heart]

never seen gw

[distant lava]

I already forgot what I got this week

ah yeah the protecting bit band

nice jebait blizzard

[worldly sandal]

i got r2 expedient this week

but it was on my pally

[crimson palm]

@lethal heart https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fqFKTKFoxuqQ8gQrKmYbcw

are u playing 3xss exsan just for the sake of playing it?

[lethal heart]

no

i play it

in raid

so i guess yes

xd

feels more fun to play

[graceful merlin]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > vers => mastery > haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

[graceful merlin]

Is it worth dual specking between outlaw and assas?

[lethal heart]

veing versatile is always nice

being*

[graceful merlin]

Hmm il prob try it out then

anybody got !stats for outlaw?

or it the same

[scarlet sequoia]

u could perhaps go to #outlaw

[graceful merlin]

oh yh

thx

[scarlet sequoia]

ye np

[strange python]

Im dual speccing my RL always tells me after some tries if he wants more bossdmg or if i can stay outlaw most of the times i have to spec assa tho ):

[fleet anchor]

@graceful merlin Crit/Vers

[hoary moon]

is the haste > crit > mastery > vers hard stats cause this other people are saying its haste to 20% then crit > mastery

but from the guides posted here i havent seen anything about a haste cap

[ember mural]

not hard stats, best to sim yourself for what gear you have. everyone has different stats b/c different gear

[graceful merlin]

@fleet anchor thanks

[tardy nimbus]

Where's the void ritual gang at

[proper ember]

Does Vendetta affect DoT damage or is it only direct damage?

[cobalt pelican]

it does

[keen dome]

any bored high lvl simmer willing to send help? I hoarded too much corruption items and now I'm unable to sim everything and notably can't sim with purified weapons :/
Here's my best sim so far : https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fWKGBnGpwUG5VVM9xM8VG

[soft lily]

Get premium lol

[keen dome]

hehe yeah was seriously considering to upgrade once again

[soft lily]

I did. Makes decisions easier plus the amount of gear that I’ve gotten plus gear sets it was worth it. For bag management advice just junk any pieces you dont see yourself using.

Personally I have no interest in avoidance or leech pieces

[keen dome]

I just kept the relevant pieces: but even with this trim every wednesday is an exercice in juggling :p

[tranquil moat]

Got TD rank 3 boots on my DH - no upgrades for the rogue 😦

Scrapped two 460 azerite bits to try and get better traits and I managed to get 2 SS, and 2 EB though 😄

win

[soft lily]

I got r 2 strikethrough belt. It was a 20 dps increase but it had the stats I want and a socket so I am using it

[tranquil moat]

Nice!

[fleet anchor]

I don't think I could survive without premium Raidbots in BfA lol

[ripe gulch]

is this good?

[soft lily]

I ran free mode last tier, it was doable. But now with corruption and it being able to change everything it’s probably incredibly difficult to do so. I am sure Raid Bots saw a spike in their subscriptions with this tier.

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4MeeCw3Pj1X7bCWeR4i6Yj

we're actually above 90k boys

feels good

[opaque relic]

Hey guys, anyone has Plater mod for empowered garrotes?

[cobalt pelican]

dirty neck level padders smh

if you're higher than 86 neck you're padding i m o

[scarlet sequoia]

literally 87 on my alts that dont do anything

hows above 86 padding

[cobalt pelican]

spoken like a true padder

pls take your fake numbers elsewhere thx you

[strange python]

ye neck level carries

gotta counter my corruption rng somehow tho

[shrewd iron]

how do I sim assa in m+ again? Is patchwerk 6 t 1 min good?

[tranquil moat]

What do you mean neck level carries you?

in health? damage?

ilvl?

[scarlet sequoia]

1 neck lvl is 400-500 dps

[tranquil moat]

Ahh

[soft lily]

Sim as ‘Dungeon slice (Beta)’

@shrewd iron

[rigid mango]

📉

[potent gorge]

Hello guys, I am looking for resources about the Garrote spec in MM+ , I am ok with the 3x Garrote 1x Echoing blade 1x Envenom or so. Also ok with the talents. The big question is about the secondary stats. I understood that stacking critical strike is key but what make the difference between Mastery and Haste. Haste increases tick rates and Mastery damages of DoTs. So is it a combination or is there a stat that overpowers the other? On the same note, I suspect Twilight Devastation to be too expensive to make a difference and would invest those 75 points into 3x 12% sec stats increase. What do you think and do you have leads where I can find answers?

[shrewd iron]

is that good for assa @soft lily ? I thought it was only decent for outlaw's

[white wyvern]

It is bad for Sin.

[shrewd iron]

So how should I sim? 6 targets 1 min or something else?

[white wyvern]

Ehh I'd do 40s

[shrewd iron]

aight thx 🙂

[white wyvern]

Also do some 1 target at like 1:30/2:00

[shrewd iron]

hm ok

w or w/o bl on 1 tar @white wyvern

[white wyvern]

Typically BL. You are just trying to recreate an actual dungeon environment the best you can. Unfortunately, we have to do multiple sims to do it so you gotta digest em all.

Still by no means a "good" way to sim M+, but I think it's the closest we can get.

[shrewd iron]

aight!

[upper elm]

Do i always finish with 5 cp while in vendetta Or still 4+

[white wyvern]

4+

always

[upper elm]

Ok thx

[late tusk]

Hello guys, vigor is for pve and marked for pvp??

[cobalt pelican]

usually ya

deeper stratagem sees some play now in pve

[late tusk]

and why rupture > enven

rptre do mroe dmgs

[civic palm]

The damage that Rupture does is one component of why it's important for Assassination.

[shrewd night]

Vision never disappoints

Another expedient

[ember iron]

Hello guys, I am looking for resources about the Garrote spec in MM+ , I am ok with the 3x Garrote 1x Echoing blade 1x Envenom or so. Also ok with the talents. The big question is about the secondary stats. I understood that stacking critical strike is key but what make the difference between Mastery and Haste. Haste increases tick rates and Mastery damages of DoTs. So is it a combination or is there a stat that overpowers the other? On the same note, I suspect Twilight Devastation to be too expensive to make a difference and would invest those 75 points into 3x 12% sec stats increase. What do you think and do you have leads where I can find answers?
@potent gorge so you dont stack 3 x garrote and 3 x blades? i see conflicting info, i thought it was best to try for 3 x blades, 2 x garrote and 1 x vandetta?

[late tusk]

didnt readed bleeding

sorry

[rigid mango]

Don't dodge the filter either, just don't type the word.

[potent gorge]

@ember iron I was aiming to 3x asphyxiate 2x blades 1x envenom but I am open for suggestions. Though, it does not solve the question how best to boost DoTs, is through Mastery or Haste?

[dark crag]

with supterfuge and no ss traits, do you keep vanish on cd to just get 2 garrotes out in st fights?

[soft lily]

I sim high with 3DD /w Sub. The opener that was used as an example was Garrotte > Muti> Rupt

As well as after vanishes

[lament adder]

Hey ya, Crimson Tempest vs. Hidden Baldes ~ what situations does each talent shine most?

[tropic ocean]

ct for dungeons with lots of trash that lives the duration of the dot

hidden blades is good for burst aoe and when you can stack it between pulls (e.g. boralus) it also has value in st using it when it has 20 stacks afaik while crimson doesn't

[lament adder]

I know the ultimate answer is just to sim it but what do you think would do best on mythic hivemind?

[proper ember]

Can you snapshot with vendetta or is it dynamic?

[rigid mango]

only things that snapshot are SS/Subt/NS and the haste on exsang

[proper ember]

SS?

@rigid mango

[rigid mango]

Shrouded suffocation

[proper ember]

ahh

[ripe gulch]

balanced

[proper ember]

🙂

[silver cedar]

hey guys, wondering a bit about vision of perfection use, right now it's simming about .8% higher for me than BOTE major + triple stack of nothing personal. just tried it out a bit and while I lose the combustion tier opening burst, the damage seems a bit more consistent, is it dumb to use because of adding another layer of rng? or is it actually decent

[red prism]

@ripe gulch i posted this not long ago in the pvp channel in a BG where i was top dps

[vestal dagger]

I sim higher with VoP major too, but I tried it on shad’har last night and it felt meh.

[silver cedar]

I feel a bit energy starved with it compared to iris

(as minor obv)

[vestal dagger]

I did ok, but not great. Bote feels way more powerful.

[silver cedar]

I'm going to try it on the first 3 of mythic

If it doesn't work i'll put it down as a sim quirk and go back to BOTE, which is fine

[versed mica]

DS sims higher than vigor for me- but should I stick with vigor in visions?

[tropic ocean]

@lament adder
#8852
3 ss 3 eb +hidden blades for maximum overall

[fleet whale]

For visions it shouldn't matter that much what you pick but i would just stick with vigor tbh

since DS might feel awkward to use if you haven't used it in awhile

[versed mica]

tru

[dark niche]

visions without mfd ??

[sudden canyon]

subterfuge is simming higher for me than master assasin but i have 0 SS traits

[strange python]

Is infinite stars worth it for raiding if you also have mind flays?

[tropic ocean]

on the full st yes unless super crazy rng tentacles wont really compete to is

when theres more targets is loses a lot of its value

[tacit steppe]

But there is only 1 fight that’s pure ST in this raid so

[silver cedar]

mfd??

idk man but i jsut got a 99% ilvl on skit so i guess it's alright

[strange python]

Ty @tropic ocean

[rancid bobcat]

Do you always shadowstep to the same place when shadowstepping to nzoth?

or does he "rotate"

ive been too busy/nervous to test

[silver cedar]

You should always shadowstep to the same place I believe, since he's a kin/radiance style boss

[rancid bobcat]

yeah but wheres the spot

well ill just test it tonight

just dont want to yeet myself into anguish

[royal lantern]

i try it out if we have wipes

[silver cedar]

Probably where the ramp to get into the room

since he faces the other wya

[rancid bobcat]

i just need a backup plan for running out of secret phase because i didnt get the autorun thing correct some pulls when i was before

[royal lantern]

@rancid bobcat always same spot

area entrance

[rancid bobcat]

is that where the secret phase portal is

[faint harness]

No

You cant shadowstep nzoth later on

[rancid bobcat]

define cant

[faint harness]

You die

[rancid bobcat]

like it doesnt let you press the button on it

o

[faint harness]

Its full of anguisj

H

[rancid bobcat]

so it's not where the secret phase portal is

[faint harness]

Nope

[rancid bobcat]

o well

[faint harness]

That is not a worry tho

You have like 20+ seconds of doing nothing to get to the secret phase portal

[rancid bobcat]

i mean exiting from the portal

not going in

[faint harness]

Just walk

[rancid bobcat]

but i guess it's the same

[faint harness]

You dont have to autowalk as you leave

It just makes it easier

[opal minnow]

autowalk will just put you in melee range by the time you have control again

its not necessary

[faint harness]

Can just shadowstep one of the ppl that usually do it

[rancid bobcat]

you hit w/auto walk after clicking the portal right

[faint harness]

Yes

I have never done it tho

Not a crucial part of the fight

[rancid bobcat]

are you running vop

[faint harness]

Nein

[rancid bobcat]

that means your 2nd burn vendetta gets cut off though right

or am i just using mine a bit late out of the gate

[faint harness]

I dont remember

Maybe

[rancid bobcat]

that's how its been so far

eh

[opal minnow]

you're using vend right after the secret phase?

[rancid bobcat]

i dont feel like relearning timings for vop

yeah i am

well i put bleeds up but i might just activate it in the 1st gcd

cause the few pulls i think vendetta came back up with like 10 sec left on mc

[drifting fulcrum]

Any tips for coral usage on ilg mythic ?

[faint harness]

Timings dont change much with vop

You get an extra vendetta on secret phase add

But its up again

You can let coral sit on ilgy

Between each organ phase

[rancid bobcat]

so you for sure can get 2 full vendettas without vop in last phase?

[faint harness]

It bugs out when you use it on organs

Depends on your kill timing kaite

[drifting fulcrum]

Playing vop and using Vendetta on 1 ans 3 add still let it sit on boss ?

[rancid bobcat]

i mean my guild is definitely hitting berserk

[whole mantle]

coral on nzoth mythic is good ?

or dice 465 is better ?

[rancid bobcat]

coral is good just get stacks by putting dots on nzoth

when you can

[fleet anchor]

Shadowstep on N'zoth and Il'gynoth really truly make me sad

[whole mantle]

i shadowstep on psychos and got a hit kill because i fall on nzoth ...

[rigid mango]

The amount of times I've clicked on nzoth's stupid head instead of my paranoia partner and stepped into anguish should put me to shame

[fleet anchor]

Can't accidentally shadowstep to the boss if you have Grappling Hook

[rigid mango]

[ripe gulch]

which pot should i use for m+

this week

[faint harness]

The one with the highest quality

[rancid granite]

!essences

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[soft lily]

Wowhead posted some spell changes from the Alpha... Nothing for Rogue 😦

[vestal wren]

we will get some changes def.

esp. hence 2 specs have missing talents

also covenant spells are buggy/broken

[rotund bough]

Hello, you guys recommend as many Echoing Knives traits as possible for m+?

[whole mantle]

i think SS is better than EK

but 3SS and 3 EK is the best but i prefer 3SS more than 3 EK

[rotund bough]

Isnt your dmg going down very hard on bosses if you roll that?

[whole mantle]

SS is best for Single target

on M+

strong burst

the azerites from carapace and nzoth mythic don't have the EK trait

but have SS

is better i think

[rotund bough]

Ah okay, thnx mate 😉

I will save it and going to farm those pieces

[tranquil moat]

just got TD level 3 legs on my DH

FUCK

[tropic ocean]

gz

[tranquil moat]

wanted it on rogue 😦

[frosty obsidian]

anyone able to offer some advice for m xanesh? can't break orange on this fight and i really feel like i should be able to

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WqnkDmM8abNLQwhT#fight=55&type=damage-done&source=12&view=timeline

[sour glade]

I run 3x SS and 3x EB and it pumps in m+. Your boss damage won't be as high as it would with other traits but your damage for the whole dungeon will be better and even on tyrannical weeks killing trash matters most in m+.

[vital wind]

what setting would you recommend for simming in m+... hectic add cleave or maybe 3 targets?

[astral leaf]

@frosty obsidian idk if its the make or break point but if you're only gonna get 2 CLF casts you should've probably saved it for the last vendetta cast

[honest basin]

Hey, I have a question. I see a lot of Assa Rogues with VoP against Ilgy. If I play VoP my Vendetta is back just when we phase, so when the organ is up. Does that mean I use it on the organ ? 'cause saving it for the boss makes no sense with VoP.

[cobalt pelican]

you should be able to just check the logs you're referencing for their gameplay, but yeah

[crimson palm]

I used vop as a minor on ilgy, usage was smth like ilgy-organ-ilgy-ilgy-organ-ilgy

depends a lot on your raid timings tho

[quasi pewter]

just use vendetta on cd as long as organ/boss doesnt die in under 20s

[plucky delta]

Hey everyone, I have a questiong regarding toxic blade. I understand that you obviously want to try to avoid to refresh rupture during toxic blade, as you then can spam out as many envenoms as possible. And you also want to use toxic blade as soon as it is off CD. However, I sometimes find that the missing duration of rupture and the CD of toxic blade lines up very poorly.. My question is then, would it be more beneficial to refresh rupture during toxic blade, refresh rupture before the pandemic window or just let rupture fall off and reapply it after toxic blade?

[vast forum]

before pandemic windwo

window*

[wet ruin]

didn't people test that and refreshing during tb was better

the sims do that

[tropic ocean]

tb on cd refresh during if needed

[woeful wigeon]

i need a some serious help on voice for my rogue for some for single target assa rogue raidbots make me go for versality instead of haste mastery crit vers

if any can join the voice channel help me out wud be great ty

[strange python]

Follow raidbots

Topgear

[raven locust]

Stats tend to even out at high ilvl unless you have % of something else etc

[woeful wigeon]

that still confusion

[raven locust]

How? If raidbots says vers is best then its best

[woeful wigeon]

if i use elaborate planning i have 2.5k+ less dps on raid bots then with poson master

[raven locust]

Just sim topgear like Lonewolf said and select the gems/enchants you want

Are you sure you have Patchwerk selected lol?

[strange python]

How much do u sim? I never heard of poison master simming more on high end

[woeful wigeon]

with planning 56k++ with posom mastery 58.6k

[raven locust]

Are you simming with Patchwerk?

[woeful wigeon]

where can i find patchwerk ?

[strange python]

post top gear sim for top gear help

[raven locust]

its at the bottom in simulations options xd

[woeful wigeon]

dont see it

[raven locust]

How do you not see it

[woeful wigeon]

yeah it actif

[raven locust]

link your topgear sim

[woeful wigeon]

sec loading

i am in voice chat if you want kinda new to all this sim stuff maby easier on voice

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/chub7fBH3sAon4E4pHoHZg

[fathom swift]

I think you're reading your sims wrong, that doesn't say master poisoner is an increase

[woeful wigeon]

soi just need to swap he trink then

[raven locust]

How did you read that Master Poisoner was better?

[fathom swift]

Yeah look at the top gear, the highlighted talents/gear is what's swapped from your initial setup

So trinket + ep

[woeful wigeon]

what about the essences

for single target

started 10 days ago so dont have gathered so many yet atm

[fading vigil]

what's the essences you use for higher m+ keys for aoe?

[arctic walrus]

blood always

[raven locust]

@woeful wigeon Just sim them like you do your gear

[strange python]

Think he meant more what to aim for since the char is really fresh

[raven locust]

Blood+Strife+ Focusing Iris and Breath from uldum

are your best bets for a fresh

[strange python]

Gotta grind out lucid Dreams too though

[raven locust]

Oh yea lucid

[strange python]

is toxic blade still the top dps talent?

Yes

by a big margin?

[scarlet sequoia]

depends on your gear

exsang is ahead if you have good gear

[woeful wigeon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sCLp1vMwoTn17dH7SdonfT

these essence you sure they correct

lucid dream will be rank 3 in 5days

blood of enemy need to grind 17k more honor

[honest needle]

so im using the set that makes it so i dont have to purify anything but isnt more TA better or is 1 ta with IS better u think ? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wSWJZ33uqeBMYnoaSPgJQt

[strange python]

On mobile and I can't really decipher raidbots Layout there.
But generally: whatever Sims better is better. With some few Sim Trap items. And you need to apply Common Sense.

So If the Sim says some IS combination is better DPS than some combination with TA, thats true for the specific sim Environment.

But thats pure Patchwerk, which only happens on shadhar and Maut. You will only get full value out of IS on those Fights, and xanesh I guess. It's okay for wrathion too. Ra'den is more of an Edge Case.

For anything else, a Setup with more TA or whatever else would be better

[honest needle]

is IS bad for most fights ?

[strange python]

It's performs worse than in Sims on any fight where there is adds or the kill Times/Boss uptimes are short.
IS starts dealing big damage the higher it stacks. But the stacks proc on a random target in range, which WILL fuck it over on many fights

[cobalt pelican]

honestly with current kill times it's not really great on any fight except arguably nzoth

all the fights that are st earlier in the raid are like 3 min kills

[strange python]

Like I said, Maut, shadhar, Wrathion I guess, ra'den mby it will perform really good

His gear seems to be pretty Low, I doubt his group gets fast Killtimes

[cobalt pelican]

that's probably fair, but even in lower guilds it's nowhere close to tier start where scuffed wrathion kills were like 9 minutes

[tacit steppe]

outlaw main but trying to play sin for boss dmg on prog, feel free to roast my shit and see if you can get it higher with no IS pieces or changing my outlaw azerite plz 😄 am rdy to be sin boi https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rnLin18XAtXvucfKc8NPr1

[azure grove]

what kind of unbuffed haste are y'all using? just used top gear and it dropped my haste by a lot, and it feels like i'm just sitting there doing nothing a lot of the time now cuz my energy regen from venomous wounds dropped

[cobalt pelican]

more spells doing small damage is not better than less spells doing big damage

(though it is, sometimes)

[strange python]

More Buttons pressed does not have to mean more damage

[cobalt pelican]

i think i play in like 21% unbuffed haste

[azure grove]

ok cool just making sure I wasn't just on something wrong, it has me down at 18%, but I'm still trying to get the mechagon ring combo

[strange python]

I'm at 19% in my highest Sim. But I do get you; If there's a combination with higher haste thats within less than 100dps difference, I might play it.

Simply feels more fun/nicer

[drifting cloud]

you literally dont notice

the difference

its in your head

[strange python]

Depends on the amount we're talking. But even If its only Placebo, it still is what it is: feels nicer

Even If its only in your head

But ye, best just Play what's best regardless of how it feels obv

[azure grove]

Imean

It dropped me from 29 to 19

so it was pretty noticeable then

[drifting cloud]

ok how much energy / s do you think 10% haste gives you

I mean at 10% maybe you might actually notice it, but its still literally whatever

[soft lily]

You could also be mistaking bad Lucid procs as slow regen.

[fleet whale]

also don't forget all the haste procs you may get from OP, or perhaps even a corruption essence

[lime edge]

u cant use deadly poison and wound poison at the same time?

[strange python]

No

[lime edge]

is deadly always better?

hmm

[strange python]

In pve? Yes

In pvp u never play deadly always wound

[lime edge]

gotcha

[surreal bolt]

Is there anyway to get that last point of engi without wasting expulsom??

Dark moon fair can be done every time it’s up?

[lime edge]

why?

what happens if u dont let it fall off o.o

[rigid mango]

If it was snapshot, reapplying it early would make write over the old one

That is empowered

[lime edge]

oh yea i guess

[rigid mango]

So by waiting until it's timed out you max out the empowered uptime

[lime edge]

yea

gotcha

why not use vendetta when sub is up?

[rigid mango]

I think you need to re-read what it says

It means align them

(I hope)

[lime edge]

rofl

[rigid mango]

Or that you just shouldn't use vendetta inside of subterfuge window

[lime edge]

but why wouldnt u

u have 3 seconds do use garrote

[rigid mango]

Not entirely sure honestly

[lime edge]

to*

[rigid mango]

in the opener with shrouded suffocation it makes sense

But not really otherwise(?)

[lime edge]

also says this

[rigid mango]

Idk, just don't use vendetta out of stealth

[lime edge]

interesting

i find that rlly weird

[rigid mango]

and there isn't really a scenario where you'd want to use vendetta in the subt window, but after the opener it's not a big issue

[lime edge]

cause i would think u want all of ur dmg to be in ur dmg buff

[rigid mango]

Like, it's fine to do

Yeah, I mean when using SS you want your vanish to be paired with vendetta

[lime edge]

i guess i just wont idk

[rigid mango]

Since most of your damage is from the empowered garrote

But if you're running subterfuge as is, without SS

You don't align them last time I checked

[proud salmon]

if first mutilate gives you 3cp instead of 4 does your opener change?

[fleet anchor]

Pretty sure all that is implying in the guide is "don't use unless [a Subterfuge Garrote] is up"

[rancid granite]

@silver wasp yes, its described in the pins 😉

[lime edge]

how do u guys have ur sin keybinds set up

[rancid granite]

Is BotE better for raiding then Worldvein? (Or sim it?)

[drifting cloud]

its better

[rancid granite]

@drifting cloud Thanks

[drifting cloud]

wv might sim better but in reality nobody is using it

just today they added a breakdown of essences, talents, trinkets, etc that logs use

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/24#boss=2329&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination

[sick owl]

Hi Friends!
I've been running a few dungeonslice sims with my new gear from my weekly chests and visions and such, looking for that perfect dungeon build. My sim is telling me to use a 475 Dead-Eye Spyglass, but I don't trust it. I haven't had much experience in dungeons with the trinket as assassination, but I don't see how I'd have a chance to attack something long enough for it to make a difference? Lets assume this is for +17s and up.

I have alternatives like vita, plume, dice, Remote guidance, ect.

[devout spire]

The Spyglass effect is also triggers on FoK uses. So even if it doesnt land on your maintarget, you will pretty likely get your 5 stacks pretty fast

[sick owl]

Oh snap

See I knew it was good for outlaw because I thought you would just stay on the same target get the crit buff. I didn't think it worked off FoK

Nice.

[lime edge]

what is pandemic refresh

[raven mica]

So warlocks used to have a talent called pandemic

And what it would do is if you reapplied a dot, duration from the original dot would carry over, up to 30% of the original dot’s value

[lime edge]

oh i see

so ignore that?

meaning i shouldnt use 2 garrotes right away

?

[raven mica]

And so anytime someone talks about a pandemic value, they’re talking about that

Because that talent was then baselined into almost every single buff and debuff in the game

[lime edge]

so dont use 2 garrotes....?

[rigid mango]

You would in that opener

[raven mica]

Yes use two garrotes, but because you have three globals in the subterfuge window, you want to go garrote>finisher>garrote.

[rigid mango]

Because you want to extend your empowered garrotes

[lime edge]

oh wait

every dot now has that pandemic thing?

[raven mica]

Yes

[lime edge]

oh

[rigid mango]

So that 2nd garrote

In the opener there

[lime edge]

why doesnt it say that anywhere in game

rofl

[raven mica]

Well with minor exceptions

[rigid mango]

Effectivly adds 5.4sec when you cast it

Which, with SS traits, is worth it

[lime edge]

yea

[rigid mango]

Without, it isn't

Also the extra CP gen ofc from the trait.

[lime edge]

so that very first rupture is gonna be a 3 cp one?

[raven mica]

Pandemic also works for things like: slice and dice/roll the bones, agony, corruption, serpent sting, vision of perfection procs on things like celestial alignment, etc.

[rigid mango]

Yes it is

[lime edge]

got it

[rigid mango]

Which is fine

[raven mica]

Yes it will be a 3 combo point rupture, which you will overwrite with a 5 CP rupture to get a pandemic’d 5 CP rupture

[rigid mango]

A lot of buffs have pandemic too

So for example, Elaborate planning

[lime edge]

oh

[raven mica]

Wait that’s exsang not TB

[lime edge]

u can just over write it whenever to get pandemic?

[rigid mango]

Bleeds yes

But not empowered ones ofc.

[raven mica]

30% of the original duration

[rigid mango]

So

Outside of openers/cds

You'd be casting garrote to reapply within 5.4s of it dropping

and 7.2s for a 5 CP rupture

[raven mica]

So for garrote you only want to refresh when the duration is 5.4 seconds or lower

[rigid mango]

6.4 for a 4 CP.

Albeit that diff is minimal

But it means you don't need to drop bleeds between reapplications

Since you're effectivly bringing over the remaining time of the bleed onto the next

So a perfectly pandemiced garrote would be extended to 23.4 sec long, instead of the baseline 18.

[lime edge]

but um

when u apply an empower garrote

u want to wait it out, right?

all the way

[rigid mango]

Yes

Because it doesn't bring the bonus damage with it

Solely the extended length

[lime edge]

yea kk

what about using it at like 1 second left

is that not worth

[rigid mango]

no

[lime edge]

aw

[rigid mango]

because bleeds tick at the end

not at the start

So you'd miss a tick

[lime edge]

guess so

[rigid mango]

So you just wanna be ready to reapply as soon as it drops.

[raven mica]

The empowered dots from either SS, subterfuge, or exsanguinate will snapshot, so you can overwrite a normal garrote with an empowered one and it will be a pandemic’d empowered garrote, and the same for the other way around

So for the empowered dots you wait until they fall off to reapply

[lime edge]

o.o

oh oh

nvm

misunderstood that

from what im reading on the site about the rotation, you use vendetta after your empowered garrote and your rupture is on the target?

[rigid mango]

In the opener?

[lime edge]

yes

[rigid mango]

Yes

Every opener applies bleeds in the first GCD's

[lime edge]

yea

and then vendetta, kk

so, once both my bleeds are up, i just use mutilates and envenoms at 4+?

and use toxic blade obv

and then just keep my bleeds up

[rigid mango]

Yeah, outside of CD's you're just focused on 100% bleed uptime and building and dumping CP on envenom when you can

[lime edge]

sounds easy enough

thought it would be way more complicated tbh

[rigid mango]

Well, there's minmaxing with pooling your energy up and then spending it rapidly

So you get more windowed damage

But the diff isn't huge enough to matter, if you're new to the game it isn't something worth your time focusing on for the time being.

[lime edge]

how would u do that

oh kk

[rigid mango]

Literally don't press buttons.

[lime edge]

well, i mean like

for what would u pool up for

[rigid mango]

TB more than anything

[lime edge]

oh right

[rigid mango]

But the thing is when playing assa is

That you have to have the mindset of

If you're not overcapping energy and your bleeds are on the target, you're not losing potential dps

You can always spend the energy, so there's no real rush in doing so

[lime edge]

wait

youre right

omg

genius

[rigid mango]

<- orange name

But yeah, so don't stress about clicking too fast

Or spending instantly

The spec is innately slow in how it plays

[lime edge]

thank god

[rigid mango]

Aslong as that energy isn't overcapping you're gucci

[lime edge]

dang

[rigid mango]

Since you can always spend it all in quick succession

[lime edge]

sounds neat

yea

[rigid mango]

But it also means that if you know the boss is gonna have downtime or w/e

[lime edge]

with mutilates and envenoms

[rigid mango]

You want to be entering that sitaution with as low energy as possible

If you know you wont be able to hit your target in the next 3-4 seconds for example

Entering that bit with 0 energy and just gaining energy in the meantime when most other classes are just distraught at not being able to do anything

Is fine for assa

[lime edge]

i see

makes a lot of sense

[untold current]

Starting Nzoth prog, anything specific sim wise that I can do to optimize my set? IS seems a trap, but I see most of the top logs have TA>Gushing > exp

[vestal wren]

breath is rly good on nzoth

not sure if people play it

[subtle tundra]

i started out as playing TA for more overall dps, helping psychus and tentacles but switched to IS when we got accustomed to the fight

[untold current]

How is it that TA provides more overall? Does it only attack the target your are currently attacking?

[vestal wren]

IS can attack any target what can make it proc on unintended targets

what is probably not bad on nzoth

[subtle tundra]

TA does same dmg no matter the target (except nzoth since dmg reduction) while is needs stacking to start doing significant dmg (which only happens on nzoth itself)

[fathom swift]

I'm not convinced is would be better even just for nzoth damage, there's 3 targets most of p2 it can proc on as well

[subtle tundra]

it has been my 2nd on dmg on nzoth before secret phase a lot of the times during progress

felt good enough

[fathom swift]

Yeah and I've had tentacles be a large % of my damage on nzoth too, that's just corruption

[subtle tundra]

well at this point nzoth dps doesnt matter that much since the nerf so TA should just be better anyways

[untold current]

Starting M N'zoth tomorrow. Can someone take a look at my current setup < 39 corruption? This is my highest non IS sim.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/agWCMXcN62ST5VzovTuzGn

[shrewd night]

DS isnt higher than vigor for you?

[untold current]

It is actually, just haven't played it since it started simming higher

I'll run it again rq

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/td8uGY6fGwi8Kn4YyYkAaK

100 dps gain.

I just see so many TA or gushing for nzoth, when this setup lacks alot of that

[faint harness]

Nothing wrong with your gear, easily enough for nzoth

[untold current]

For coral, do you just leave it on Nzoth? Or pop it on Carapace?

mythic obv

[sullen pagoda]

well yea top logs will obv be good rng on TA procs or bis corruption, you have more than great gear for nzoth @untold current

personally i like 3x NP vision minor build on nzoth cuz of timers but at this point its irrelevant boss is nerfed to hell

[untold current]

how do you sim that though @sullen pagoda even when selecting 3NP only on azerite it defaults what what I have setup currently

[sullen pagoda]

well yeah this setup will sim more but thats patchwerk sim, timers on nzoth are really specific on prog

cuz after 2nd shattered ego u had 2x vendettas on boss, then in secret phase then 2x more on boss

which is pretty big imo

[untold current]

Vend on tentacles ever?

[sullen pagoda]

but atm that depends on your guilds dps, you might not get 2 vendettas last phase

on pull its tentacle then psychus (i was assigned to do it) then 1 on tentacle after 2nd gate ppl go down and u hav eit for boss when they come out

sorry 3rd one is on tentacle right before 2nd gate

not after

[untold current]

so 6 - 7 Vendettas

[stray imp]

ok in patchwerk fight unbridled fury sims higher for me than focused resolve. thought resolve is always better for assa.

i also see some assa rogues using Vop minor of formless void instead of Iris minor. Is there anything I missed because iris sims better than these two for me

[cobalt pelican]

no

[soft lily]

VOP minor just sometimes lines up the vendetta cooldown better in some fights. IE: you can cast it twice on phase 1s on wrathion.

[stray imp]

ah ty

[crimson palm]

u wont have vendetta up unless u run vop

if u use it on basher

timings are sort of 4:00 basher and 5:30 gate exit

[young crown]

If you have 3x eb traits, at which numbers of targets do you stop using finishers and just spam fok?

[scarlet sequoia]

think its like 5

could be wrong tho cant remember

5 or 7

[dark niche]

!coral

[prisma monolith]

The way to use coral in M+ is using it on your priority target,
and then whenever that target dies, reapply it to your next target.
Whenever your target dies it gives you the crit it would give from using it,
so consuming the stacks for crit mid pack is generally suboptimal.

[dark niche]

how do you use coral in raid opener? just pop it and keep vendetta for abit or

[tranquil moat]

!weakaura

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[tranquil moat]

How do you guys handle tracking multiple targets and poisons? is there a weakaura that I should be using or is it just using my eyes?

[scarlet sequoia]

👀

[tranquil moat]

okay cool

[dire steeple]

Does the energy regen from nothing personal stack?

[jade hawk]

no, but the damage does

[crimson palm]

get decent nameplates

and mod em to your liking

it makes multitarget tracking eashy

[vast forum]

@dark niche you just apply it once in the opener and consume with 2nd vendetta

don't delay anything

[dark niche]

ah okay ty

[shrewd plover]

Hello guys, did someone got a profil on plater ? wow delete all my interface....

[wooden willow]

I think your profiles are saved in the WTF folder, check there if it wasn't deleted

[upper shoal]

master assassin effect breath of the dying active?

[cobalt pelican]

no

[upper shoal]

ok ty

[hollow escarp]

[wispy plaza]

anyone got the park and rec sim yo self gif ?

[sour glade]

So my best raid sim wants me to use breath major and MA. I've been used to using subterfuge, so I just wanna make sure I've got this right. From stealth my first 3 GCDs are either going to be Mut Mut Rup or Mut Rup Mut, then Garrote, Mut to 4+, Vendetta, Toxic Blade, Vanish, Envenom Mut Envenom. With Blood of the Enemy I know to put it right before the Envenom, but with Breath does it matter where I hit it? My thought is put it after the first 3 GCDs when my energy is coming back anyway. Does that sound right?

[quasi ledge]

Use it just before Vendetta in that opener

[magic thorn]

@wispy plaza https://gifer.com/en/1YDL

[shut thistle]

currently i am using Overclocking Bid Band and Logic Loop of Division and they both 460 ilvl

anyone has idea if i should keep them but get higher ilvl or change the rings to smt else?

[strange python]

Sim it?
Generally the mechagon haste Combo is very good, but we can't exactly look into your bags and calculate If something would beat it.
But Sims can

[shut thistle]

I would sim but I could not find much info about if there are other rings for assas rogue

everywhere shows the mechagon combo

I do not have any other rings in my bag. I asked because if there are better i will farm them 😄

[dull osprey]

So I noticed on mythic wrathion, my bote was up every damage phase, but not my vendetta. would VoP be worth considering to have more burst each window or just stick with top sim build?

[rigid mango]

VoP is a good minor there.

[dull osprey]

coo

[patent topaz]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6UQtjkSwFb7CTWb9NXsoXR meticulous scheming bis boys

[lusty swan]

i have a question so quick siming https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oGoFZtj2Y1Aa2JtnM2ss2Y

but ... ok why is it showing Fan of knives over mutilate on patchwork?

[rigid mango]

Because you're simming 5 target patchwerk?

[lusty swan]

OH

im stupid

ok

my bad

#undo

[quasi pewter]

[rigid mango]

[lusty swan]

i was...

so confused