You just need TA8 man
#assassination
drifting cosmos
Ty!
fleet anchor
@lone junco this was from the other Rogue in our run last night
Casual 3m from only 3 procs which isn't even a good proc rate lol
Like he easily could have doubled that within the realm of decent possibility
tropic charm
For raiding and M+, primarily for the boss fights or for single target, which essences should I be using?
fleet anchor
Depending on your neck level for raiding you'll likely end up CLF/Breath/Blood major with Breath(if not major)/Lucid/Iris/CnS minors
Some niche usage of VoP
Depends pretty heavily on your other gear and neck level though
storm perch
What are best corruption pieces should I be aiming for when going for m+?
I feel like td doesn't work for me
Seems it requires a lot of haste?
fleet anchor
Largely it probably depends on what you have available
Like if you look at something like @marble hemlock's gear for M+ he runs a pretty decent mix of stuff, GW/TA/Severe/etc.
But like Corruption is pretty RNG so you usually have what you have ๐
Especially if you're starting out
marble hemlock
not by choice, i might add ๐
fleet anchor
Haha
fleet anchor
Hey, at the end of the day.. we all play the game to feel good right ๐
marble hemlock
well yeah
playing bosses with 80+% crit
and getting multiple 4CP mutilates in a row
just feels good, and its nice for TB windows too
getting 4envenom TB windows pretty consistently etc.
and it makes EB better on lower-target pulls
cause even on a 5mob pull you still get 4echoes on average
fleet anchor
I do still mostly run M+ as Outlaw so do the standard Slappers+TD with a spattering of GW mixed in but it's different for everyone.
storm perch
Got some good corruption pieces like td/ta/expedient/crit etc. But can't find best combination. Ta is perfect but only on bosses, packs are destroyed by someone else-not me๐ฉ
marble hemlock
TA is pretty decent on packs too actually
fleet anchor
But yeah if you're running EB Seli I can definitely see how like going towards Severe or Momentum would work well with that
marble hemlock
its not the biggest overall, but it always procs on your target, so its good prio damage as long as your target selection is good
im not a big fan of TD in general
just too inconsistent
fleet anchor
Yeah TA is not so bad on AoE as you might think if only because you don't "lose" value from it easily
Since it target swaps
When things die
marble hemlock
id personally run any combination of ta/gw/severe/strikethrough
fleet anchor
You lose like 1 tick when something dies
storm perch
What is go to major essence in m+?
marble hemlock
yeah, not just that, but if you prio like a matron and then cleave with echo/mouseover ruptures, you proc TA on the matron
storm perch
Still blood?
fleet anchor
Yeah if you are using mouseovers it's pretty strong to target
marble hemlock
formless void someday ๐ฆ
yoink lucid on st, bote or iris on aoe
go deeper stratagem
fleet anchor
haha just leech your party, I like it ๐
storm perch
Should I use eb azerite? How many and when?
marble hemlock
cause blood is really the only option that works on both aoe and st
its not because its supremely good for either
fleet anchor
I will say I love Breath to death especially as Outlaw but I could see how it would be awkward playing Assassination to keep up with the globals and other dot applications
marble hemlock
and when you run a high crit setup already, the bote will overcap you on bosses quite often
yeah, breath is just too much opportunity cost as assa on aoe
and i never liked the notion of sniping mobs that are gonna die within 2-3GCDs anyway
id rather fok one more time, hit the highst hp targets too, and not waste a GCD on a mob thats gonna be dead sooner already
its not really a GCD that saves time
fleet anchor
Well still good for funneling to since you do something like death into a <20 or >80 and get the buffed value on the top mob, plus finish it off
But I have a lot of practice with it on fights like N'zoth and whatnot, but it's an acquired skill
But I could see how EB setup is gonna be GCD saturated a lot
Also Breath really good on ST nowadays
fleet anchor
Also really think CLF could make a bit of a comeback too
marble hemlock
if you get a 2nd or 3rd use etc.
fleet anchor
Starting to sneak back up there
marble hemlock
for assa i just like the vision+bote setup too much i think to ever give that up
fleet anchor
Actually pretty scary to think about CLF if they had never nerfed it
marble hemlock
since it frees up your CD usage so much to not delay vendetta/bote to your 2nd vanish
fleet anchor
It would be so ridiculous
fleet anchor
Truly the most skillful of plays ๐
marble hemlock
instead using vanish on the last trashpack for cleave/aoe dps, and then have it back up for your 2nd bote/vendetta and get multiple bote/vendetta/vanish exsanguinates in there
and then have CDs back up again after boss is dead
tropic ocean
cant wait until I can equip t8 tent
marble hemlock
feels so much smoother than playing with 2min vendetta
tropic ocean
so I can do 50k dps or 90k
tropic ocean
im bad at arena
tropic ocean
i dropped from 2130 to 2k
fleet anchor
You don't have to be good at arena
tropic ocean
so i dont play anymore
fleet anchor
Your tentacles have to be good at arena
Step 1) Press Sap
Step 2) Press Kidney Shot
Step 3) Tentacles do 3m damage
ez
tropic ocean
๐
fleet anchor
Tentacles are really messed up lol
fleet anchor
Yes
tropic ocean
so its more "viable"
fleet anchor
The other option would be to make it so the pet despawns or refreshes
instead of multiples
fleet anchor
Right now B2B procs are too rewarding
I mean same goes for IS and TD, but IS at least is spread out more
TD and TA both have the "b2b procs delete things" problem
tropic ocean
yea
fleet anchor
Stat procs or whatever.. there's very little gain
b2b proc of Mastery proc? Ok gg?
You gained 2 extra seconds of the buff
marble hemlock
tentacles only proc on your target
its like legion poisonbomb
god i miss that
mouseover rupture a mob next to you, have target be 40y away, spawn bomb 40y away
good memes
fleet anchor
I had a pull the other night playing as Outlaw. I used one Sinister Strike + 1 white hit
SS proc'd Main Gauche
Main Gauche spawned Tendie
Melee swing proc TD
Melee swing proc Flames
Flames proc Tendie
SS proc TD
3.4m damage.. one button press. Winning.
4x 1 RPPM things in less than 1.5s from one button haha
absurd
fleet anchor
I member
marble hemlock
always getting that pb and trinket proc in your opener
fleet anchor
That was so much more fun
marble hemlock
i liked that consistency
fleet anchor
Into Soul Cap
Into Ring
๐ฎ
But I actually do think RPPM always triggering on the pull was a lot nicer for executing openers
marble hemlock
yeah
its also easier to balance imo
take into account the proc on pull and the big bloodlusted openers
when you balance boss hp
now its just too much RNG
i personally preferred the ICD trinkets we had in MoP the most though
being able to time deep insight BG with a trinket proc+AR+KS
by delaying insight for just 10-15seconds
felt nice to play around, and it was tuned just right to actually be a dps increase thats worth playing around, but not too big to be 100% required to perform well
fleet anchor
Yeah I agree
From one standpoint I get why they changed it but for the reasons you mentioned too I don't get it
Because I do think it makes their tuning job easier
In terms of encounter design and such
marble hemlock
i like being able to play a much more difficult version of my spec, and do like 5% more dmg
not enough for everyone to follow suit, but enough for it to make a difference
assa in particular right now needs a serious re-do of the scaling so multidotting for energy is actually a dps gain on singletarget again
or rather, a noticeable one
not just like 0.3% or smth
fleet anchor
Yeah I do not really like how the relative value of multi-dot has really fallen away
Honestly gives me "WoD Feral" vibes to some degree. Not quite that bad, but playing during that time period I identify with it
You do so much work to multi-DoT but the payoff isn't really there
Single button press AoE specs do more AoE
marble hemlock
yeah exactly
passive cleave is way more valuable than meticulously multidotting on 4 targets
weirdly enough, 3-4 target is where we're weakest compared to any other class with passive cleave
we start catching up on bigger pulls thanks to EB
but even with 3ss3hod, our 3target cleave is pathetic
fleet anchor
Yeah it's kinda bizarre the direction it has gone
marble hemlock
well, its not just us
fleet anchor
I suppose one could infer from a move towards more target-capped AoE that it could turn around
But we will see
All numbers in the end
marble hemlock
its every multidot class that got gutted after legion
whether its SP, boomy, affli or us
fleet anchor
I do feel like to some degree Assassination paid for ranged multi-DoT sins ๐
marble hemlock
i always found it curious
how well rupture scales in pvp
where its like 25-30% of your dmg if you maintain it on 2-3 targets
and then in pve its just a wet noodle and essentially just exists to generate energy for your builders
fleet anchor
yeah
marble hemlock
i hope they focus on that multidot aspect again for SL
fleet anchor
I mean part of that also that is strange is I don't think the Rupture trait was particularly interesting from a design perspective. Could have seen a world where perhaps Azerite made it more of a thing
marble hemlock
yeah
marble hemlock
id still prefer them just combining rupture and echoing blades
every ruptured target echoes on a fok
and not have it rely on crit
fleet anchor
Like DD totally warps the rotation towards generators instead of finishers it's kinda strange
marble hemlock
its the same with EB
on aoe ๐
not having a baseline aoe finisher that we couldve scaled through traits is just bad design imo
just make sectec/bladerush/ct baseline ><
fleet anchor
That's actually why people were always perplexed about some of the MA APL stuff
People would react to MA Vanish Mutilate/Envenom/Mutilate vs. Envenom/Mutilate/Envenom
And it's like
Well Mutilate really basically contributes as much
So it doesn't matter lol
marble hemlock
yeah
marble hemlock
i really think the overall design of assa is very solid, and they shouldnt change it much at all
dynamic gameplay that flows between st and cleave/aoe
with different choices to be made, whether you wanna aoe more or st/prio more etc.
fleet anchor
It will be curious to see if FoK remains one of the few uncapped AoEs
Skeptical about that one
marble hemlock
its just the tuning being quite off when it comes to azerite traits benefitting builders way more than finishers
with no proper rupture trait, and ttk just being too weak mostly because its 1-point-bonus is just useless
fleet anchor
What a world it will be if FoK becomes the strongest AoE ๐คฃ
marble hemlock
like the 1sec longer duration on the buff on a crit is actually worth it ><
fleet anchor
Like the design goal is probably to be able to apply poisons
So likely will leave it wet noodle
fleet anchor
Although Hidden Blades is still a thing, which raises my eyebrows a little bit in theory lol
marble hemlock
but right now, every DoT component of this spec is tuned to barely deal any damage
whether its rupture, ct dot, garrote (w/o ss) or deadly poison
fleet anchor
Yeah it was definitely tuned heavily towards is just being an energy engine
marble hemlock
but it was the same for all other dot specs
sp was useless first tier
boomy dots are still way too weak, starfall is never worth using ever
and what is affli again?
we wouldve been bad too if we didnt have a saving grace in DD/EB
that barely made us viable next to other melee in the dps department
fleet anchor
EB certainly came out of left field for me lol
marble hemlock
yeah
same
it also only really worked super well in that specific tier
for m+ i mean
the scaling with higher ilvl seems to lack behind other aoe traits from other classes
maybe that was on purpose due to it scaling somewhat exponentially with crit
fleet anchor
The launch day tuning was pretty hilarious
slow helm
so i been simming and looking at guides but cant seem to find a "strait" answer, im a raider doing hc weekly soon hopefully mythic 465 atm when is nothing personal better than double dose? and if you run master assassin will you then ignore shrouded suffocation or still get 1 for the ekstra combo points? ๐
fleet anchor
@dusky moon The real meters Assassination wins at are "combat log entries per second"
When one button press does this
It's no small wonder the servers melt into a pile of goo
sterile ocean
thats to tiny
dark crag
Blizz should benchmark their servers with that
fleet anchor
And heaven forbid you press that same button on the trash pull before Hivemind
That basically lags the entire instance server for everyone ๐คฃ
dusky moon
@slow helm for a pure st you stack 3x DD 3xHoD and MA
slow helm
im gonna sound like a monkey now but "MA"?
fleet anchor
I would check but Subterfuge and MA honestly atm
slow helm
oh master assassin
dusky moon
but if you're not clearing mythic nya, then your gear choices will be limited
lone junco
@fleet anchor nice
dusky moon
since residuum gear has no HoD
lone junco
@marble hemlock hi buddy
dusky moon
in that case NA or TtK may be in your arsenal
fleet anchor
Average 188 damage events per button press. Clearly nothing wrong. I don't see why Blizzard is trying to target cap things at all. ๐
slow helm
@dusky moon i clear mythic's but mainly raiding, but what bosses in ny'alotha would you run 3x DD and 3x HoD over something else? ๐
lone junco
the dog?
fleet anchor
I mean could also probably run something like 3x DD, 2x HoD, 1x NP or something too
Depends on what items you have available
lone junco
I dont prefer DD MA, but its my high. Simple to play though.
fleet anchor
HoD is pretty easy to substitute with Swirling Sands, Blightbourne Infusion, etc.
Depending on what you have available
But some combination of that type of thing
slow helm
chest 465 DD/NP and HoD/SS, shoulder EP/DD and SS/tradewinds, Helm TtK/NP and HoD/DD
all 465
im 27% crit 25% haste 46% mastery 4% vers
i know i need more haste but my damage for ilvl % just looks rly low for alot of the bosses in logs
dusky moon
compare yourself to yourself
no point of comparing vs ilvl because it is just ridiculous nowadays
lone junco
and also, you can use the compare tool. it takes into account boss kill time, ilvl, and raid count (heroic).
granted the top performers will have lucky azerite. but you might find someone similar. for rotation comparison
dusky moon
people run with ridiculous corruption levels to get top 0.01% parse
slow helm
ye okay understandable my corruption are meh got 2 gushing wounds, 1 strikethrough rank 2, twisted apendage 2, 1 deadly momentum 1
so for raiding azerite traits i would pretty much go DD outer and HoD inner always? or wil NP and HoD be stronger if you have 3 of each? when running MA
strange python
2 gw is not meh
dusky moon
i have no suggestions, i don't raid mythic, so all my azerite is vendor 480 with every possible thing
red bloom
I would kill the hunters in my raid if I could get your 2 GWs
dusky moon
np/ss, np/dd, dd/ttk + subteruge
red bloom
For deciding between subterfuge and MA, you really have to sim them, your gear will tell you (through simming) what would be optimal to run
strange python
if you want help with simming, link a top gear sim
slow helm
the whole thing from copy?
strange python
the results of a top gear sim from raidbots
slow helm
oh thought you wanted the copy thing to setup a bigger more clean sim with some of the other items i have aswell like rank 3 infinite star 420 pants xD
thats the sim with MA and SF aswell as traits ๐
slim oxide
hey guys its my first 3 days on rogue. im half way there with my essences but the traits are a pain in the ass
strange python
lmao i give up
slow helm
you said the "results of a top gear sim from raidbots" thats the results, or am i wrong about that?
quasi scroll
red bloom
The link @slow helm , the link
slow helm
oh well wouldnt it be easier to just say that then? xD https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5bYjmTCSVEnpfLJRHMRLFa
slim oxide
missing a trait that you really need
same as me ><
one garrote would be beter
this is what i got so far https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7zqUAE1tmy3aXceBVUwpRV
dusky moon
@slow helm you have sub talent instead of MA in that sim
strange python
@slow helm try this https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wa8VfaJu4QuGqTVV2BecZb
slow helm
its rolled with both MA and sub if you check second highest sim it shows MA ๐
slow helm
ye havnt rly grinded essence on this char yet i just got back to the game 1 month ago ๐
strange python
if you dont wanna play vop major, for 100 dps less and less rng there's a wv major one you could play aswell (0 allies)
lean marten
https://i.imgur.com/ZaXEfnH.png Hve to be tank to get good value on this right? prolly cleanse?
raven mica
it has 50% uptime on a tank
dusky moon
cleanse trash
strange python
that was discussed yesterday i think
raven mica
bis outlaw ring
strange python
or the day before
slow helm
oh btw strikethrough good or meh on assa?
i thought it was kinda strong since you want a nice amount of crit on assa
naive vigil
what is better herorotation or heliki
strange python
learning to play
naive vigil
hmmmm seems legit
slow helm
@strange python last question quickly the one you sent has sub but no SS is MA not stronger at that point? ๐
strange python
well no
but i didnt check for ma/subt so maybe
could be since you dont have bote
strange python
seems to be -200 with the vop major and +200 with the wv major setup for you
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vj1vxK7mzYehzD73MCyDwU
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jzfSmTfbx37sz7mVa1FWmt
slow helm
think ima do MA then feels better when pre poting ๐
lean marten
https://i.imgur.com/RQmdUpP.png my 61 corruption meme build
slow helm
thx alot for the help @strange python ๐
strange python
np
harsh sphinx
lean marten
fleet anchor
@naive vigil HeroRotation is maintained by Rogue mains so likely would have better results with it
strange python
afaik hekili uses the apl which means its also maintained by rogues no? :P
fleet anchor
Indirectly sure, but there's some custom tweaking about how some of the things interact that helps make things click for usability
I can't really vouch for what it does though. I might be curious to compare them at some point if I get some free time waiting for alpha ๐
kind vault
Are there any ways to reduce corruption other than the cloak? I got a good armor piece that adds like 7k dps but I canโt use it Bc it gives me +75 corruption :/
My cloak is currently rank 5 btw
limpid quest
question? whats the lowest percent your haste should be?
41 crit, 17 haste, 39 mastery... my attributes, feel like haste should be higher any advice?
fleet anchor
@naive vigil Means to just wait
Until something else pops. Usually it's pre-Toxic Blade pooling
naive vigil
thank you i've been using heliki but it didnt really involve pooling
fleet anchor
Until you get Lucid and higher haste levels it's pretty expected to be really low APM as Assassination. Even with max gear it's pretty low APM.
fleet anchor
You can expect to probably spend at least a quarter of the time doing nothing
More if you don't have Lucid yet
naive vigil
well i have rank 3 of all the essences on my pally besides the ripple so all i need to do is get echos
vital wind
i just hit max, what essences should i start farming for?
lone junco
@naive vigil when learning sin, remember that mashing mutilate/env isn't really your damage.
That's why there is pooling. If rupture is almost pandemic. Or if TB is almost ready or if vendetta/vanish are almost back around. There isn't a huge value in being energy low. Maintaining bleeds and using stuff when it's ready is key.
vital haven
@vital wind in no particular order: blood, lucid, breath, vop, c&s, iris, clf, wv
obviously you should always get with echoes the ones that are the hardest to get
like blood, lucid etc
drifting cosmos
All of them to swap in different boss /situations
versed mica
lucid is probably the one you should go for first
it makes the spec feel better and is almost a requirement for a minor trait
bronze cipher
hey all just hit 120 and im wondering what weapon enchants/ring enchants are best for Sin rogue
storm storm
you should sim your char to have the most precise answer to that but normally crit should work just fine
bronze cipher
kk ty ill look up how to sim now
plucky shadow
Hello! Does anyone have a mythic raid guide for maiximizing dps as assa?
naive vigil
Your not gonna like the answer
You got 2 options pretty much warcraft logs and siming
Siming is for trying to get a idea for how much dps you can achieve with different paramiters set like gear and talents and essences to get the maximum amount of damage you can do
naive vigil
Ig that works too lol
balmy coral
You guys got any tips for n'zoth encounter? I seem to parse much lower on that fight compared to other bosses
steep obsidian
cooldown the pychus and tell the priest to grip the mage during his combust
crystal vault
balmy coral
It's on hc though, only just joined a 5/12 mythic guild :b
arctic walrus
Kill the boss quick, cd psychus, go insane at the end, stack corruption and get lucky
balmy coral
Alright, thanks x)
dusky moon
i mean, if you want a crazy parse on NZoth, stack 7x gushing wounds
dusky moon
or tendies
balmy coral
The only gushing wounds I have is my love life
dusky moon
same as with other bosses - if you can aoe, stack td for crazy parse, if it is pure st, stack infinite stars
brave crypt
i find that breath of the dying major is really good for killing the tentacles etc while not sacrificing too much single target \o/
dusky moon
you can try sniping, but most of that would be wasted overkill dps
brave crypt
Hi, i just got razor coral and have a couple of questions, should I use it before toxic blade window, on cooldown or hold it for higher stacks for vendetta/bote windows? cheers
scarlet sequoia
pins
tropic ocean
NoobiesToday at 12:42 PM
i mean, if you want a crazy parse on NZoth, stack 7x gushing wounds
if you want a good parse on nzoth
cd first psychus
cd psychus inside
and go mc in the end
thats all
oh and use 2nd pot on psychus too
storm storm
Hi guys, do think vision of perfection is a good choice for this week, i am mostly playing aroud +14 keys
storm storm
dungeon slice sims are not effected by weekly affixes, are they ?
fathom swift
how would they be?
fathom swift
it would have 0 impact on them anyway
tropic ocean
well if it was realistic it would
but not sure if you can even do that without super good ai
fathom swift
like what does mobs bursting or necrotic even matter to your damage
dusky moon
@tropic ocean too complicated lol
tropic ocean
damn well u gonna time a boralus this week faster
fathom swift
dungeon slice doesn't sim actual dungeons
tropic ocean
than on bolstering
fathom swift
you doing a dungeon faster or slower on live has 0 impact on how the dungeon slice sim works
storm storm
what would you recommend as a dungeon sim ? hectic add cleave maybe ?
fathom swift
if you're trying to sim dungeons hac is worse cause you dont get any restealths
dungeon slice isnt that bad
fathom swift
idk about super bad
storm storm
so simply patchwork, with 5-6 bosses and for a short time ?
storm storm
okay ty
scarlet sequoia
dont forget to disable drums and stuff
tropic ocean
like obviously you'll fight a trash pack longer in a 20 than in a 13
dusky moon
tried the suggestion... lol
i guess should check off drums
but yeah, that's about right for the 1st pull in freehold
strange python
hey guys
best azerite setup for assa in tyranical weeks ?
for dungeon like workshop for example
strange python
so 3 ss 1 hod & 2 envenom ?
and what stats u want to prioritize ?
for a st oriented dungeon
strange python
i have currently 3 ss 1 clockwork 1 ttk 1 nothing
inland gull
i dont think generally giving up all aoe is worth it for the whole run though
tropic ocean
hod is not giving up aoe
dusky moon
always keep 1 eb
tropic ocean
its a generic trait
and in workshop as prime example
theres barely any aoe
but mostly 3-4 target cleave
inland gull
in like kr ws st all good, but still others
atomic willow
i feel like 1 eb is meh....2+ or none
inland gull
for ws kr i do 3ss 1eb 1hod 1ttk
inland gull
i dont have much to choose from though
my gear changes on shoulder xd ss eb or ss ttk
the vendor hates me
i got same chest 5 times in row
spymaster wrap
do vision give ss hod piece?
i could get 480 there
tropic ocean
idk
does vision even give 480 azerite?
u get 3 ss 3 hod from raid for sure
in ilgynoth/raden/carapace
tropic ocean
vita+coral
civic hatch
is botd any good in m+? simming about 2700dps more than bote for me in dungeonslice
dusky moon
if you snipe with botd, it is good dps gain
but kinda silly
i've seen it critting 450k
shut bone
I really enjoy BOTD . but yeah it doesnt really feeel like a rogue ability
vast forum
it's stolen dps, in reality, if a mob is low enough to get sniped by breath, it's low enough to die to passive cleave while hitting higher hp targets
civic hatch
ye thats true
shut bone
the main reason I am using it now it because it is simming ST better than the other traits.
I am not maxxed out tho.
vast forum
you run it in m+ because it sims better in ST?
marble hemlock
Assa is also GCD capped on AoE, so every GCD you use on Breath, is a GCD not used on fok/envenom
glacial steppe
do I still want to go crit/mastery this week? especially asking for dungeons like kings rest or temple
marble hemlock
yes
glacial steppe
even tho its just light cleave and no real aoe? always thought the crit/mastery build is an aoe thingy
vast forum
haste loses value in anything over 1 target cuz energy is no longer an issue
crit and mastery are better than haste for some people even in ST
so it's just even more important in aoe
glacial steppe
hm, okay, makes sense
just thought that maybe my haste stacking exsang build i play in raids could be good on tyrannical dungeons with light cleave and big bosses
cus i also have 3x t3 expedient to play around with
tardy nimbus
i would switch to assa for keys but got shit azerite for it
not even one Head or Chest piece with EB
glacial steppe
I like to play KR, Temple and Shrine as Assa
tardy nimbus
i switched to much tho 40k for reforge 
civic hatch
what is BB?
tardy nimbus
Anyone know how i can get ID of items i don't have in bags can't seem to find 485 carapace wep on wowhead
vestal wren
just go to gear compare
vestal wren
you can add any item in gear compare
tardy nimbus
thanks ๐
strange python
Hey guys, i got a NPx3 and DDx3, is there anyway i can stack haste to get more of the DD procs or would mastrey be better to apply the poisions? i simmed and simmed and also i have curruption with ineffable truth that would help Vendetta recover faster abnd since im running 3 of the NP i would think that it would help. but again i dont think sim is taking that inf or acount any insight? dms are open for conversation with people running same setup or close to it
tacit steppe
Why do you think the sims donโt count it? Like what are you basing that on?
You can go in and look at the sample to see if it is
But it sounds more like you have something you want to be good and isnโt and youโre looking for a confirmation bias that sims r busted
tardy nimbus
What's BiS corruption for VoP build?
tacit steppe
Idk, masterful? 
tacit steppe
With vop a big big portion is coming from np
I wouldnโt say haste is poop
But iirc when i was running it mastery shit is what simmed the best
But i donโt run it anymore so couldnโt tell ya for sure
tacit steppe
Itโs fun when you get omega procs but feels bad if you swap to an add that lives for like 20 seconds and it procs the last 5 
Like there was a few times on xanesh Iโd tab to the add JUST long enough to put a rupture and dp, and itโd go off lmao
tardy nimbus
yh that doesn't sound fun ๐
tacit steppe
But also had it to where it procced on pull into use into proc and was doing like 120k
steep obsidian
i have 36% mastery amp and none of it even sims that well over my other gear ๐
yet our mages cnt get any
is anyone using focused resolve over unbridled regularly?
for st
obv
restive coral
If you play the SS exsang build
steep obsidian
it sims like 100 dps more for me without even playing that and i see a few logs using it on wcl too
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
i guess its just per encounter tbh
vast forum
yea when you play with SS exsang, it should be insane
restive coral
Thatโs what I said
vast forum
first few abilities are just setting up for burst, and the crit stacks up by then
steep obsidian
yah
i was just curious obviously i can do my own sims and look at shit
most of the top logs are still using unbridled on wcl and none of them are running ss that i saw although they running subt
which makes sense
sullen pagoda
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2bfSuaqtDt8FW4mZmi1SDG build without using NP at all 
steep ridge
Wish infinite stars wouldn't be so random >_>
crimson palm
You don't need the energy from the trait
novel zephyr
do i always use tb on cd?
steep ridge
DO you guys use infinite stars or rather use different traits?
sometiems it does lots of damage and other times it does barely 8%
crimson palm
sullen pagoda
yea im not playing clf
lone junco
@mossy sable 3 garrotes and a rupture at the open, then fok env into the big mobs. Maintaining 4 bleeds. That's about it. Don't need to garrote after the stealth unless you vanish ggg again.
Run as much crit and as little haste as you can.
mossy sable
What if you don't have shrouded traits?
rigid mango
You don't play sin in m+
mossy sable
You can it's just not recomended
mossy sable
Thanks for the advice
Anyways i'll try that out then @lone junco
The main reason I am doing this is beacuse Outlaw doesn't have stable enough numbers (Could just be my fault) for raiding and I am not doing good at learning both at the same time
rigid mango
If you're playing 3 EB no SS Sin you're not gonna be learning much of what it does in raid
rigid mango
SS is better than EB
mossy sable
For M+?
rigid mango
yes
I'd rather play 0 EB than 0 SS
By far
I would, like I said, not play sin if you're playing 0 SS in m+
It's really bad ๐
mossy sable
I just don't like the playstyle
rigid mango
Sure, doesn't make it better though.
mossy sable
In that case I should go to the Law group and ask how to attempt to stabilize my numbers for raiding
I never said it was better
II just asked for some advice to playing it and you said don't
rigid mango
If you're able to play outlaw or 0 SS sin, you play outlaw
If those are your two choices
mossy sable
Ok but like I said before
My issue is I am not able to learn both specs
Like well
I have "Learned" them
But by splitting my time I don't learn them very well
rigid mango
Yeah so play outlaw for m+ and sin for raiding, or just go hit a dummy for 30 min as assa and learn or do a hc clear link me the logs and I'll tell you what's wrong
Assa in m+, especially just 3 EB, isn't comparble to raid assa
You're not really learning raid assa if you're playing it, if anything you're getting into bad habits of Fok'ing all the time
rigid mango
If you want to learn how to play m+ assa play with SS' or you're essentially gutting the spec
Or if you wanna learn raid sin hit a dummy/raid
Outlaw plays give or take the same in both raids and m+ ๐
crimson palm
If he's running 0SS 3EB it probably doesn't even matter at the key levels he's running
worldly sandal
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cjgAv6Ya7qtzBQM3#type=damage-done&boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=2 (I am Teekay) so i know i made a bunch of rotation issues, and I died on maut, and i dont have BotE, but if anyone could give me any little bits of advice itd be much appreciated
first time taking my rogue on raid and i loved it, but if im not competitive with my pally im in a bad spot
lone junco
SS is the best part of the sin kit in m+. getting burnt on Restealth sucks. But the 3t is so strong.
glacial steppe
cara dagger/chest are both 1.5k dps upgrades but we wont see the boss for the next 2 months or so, feelsbadman
vital wind
so my blood of the enemy has a 1.5 min cd but vendetta has a 2 min cd, should i be saving blood of the enemy so that it lines up w/ vandetta?
slender sandal
what essences do people use w exa build
vernal lichen
so i checked pins and i'm looking for the best pvp opener for assassination rogue, all i saw on pins was a bunch of pve openers but nothing for pvp, anyone able to help me? And if i did miss it on pins don't murder my first born plz ;P
crimson palm
@vital wind yes
vital wind
thanks!
vernal lichen
kk thx i'll check there
vital wind
should i wait to use vanish/vandetta for when my first empowered garrotes wear off? Or is my damage crippled by not blowing vandetta immediately?
crimson palm
depends if you have SS traits or not
vital wind
i have 1 trait of that
tropic ocean
Garrote
Rupture
Garrote
Vendetta
Mutilate
Rupture
Exsanguinate when talented
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
Vanish when Garrote runs out
Garrote twice
WITH TB
Garrote
Rupture
Garrote
Vendetta
Toxic Blade
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
Vanish when Garrote runs out
Garrote twice
fleet anchor
Yo, can you turn that into a castsequence for me?
scenic nacelle
fleet anchor
But yeah you generally want to try to get Vendetta on cooldown as soon as your bleeds are up. You will get full coverage on all your other cooldowns/trinkets/whatever anyway and generally it helps with the energy regen during your opener, especially if you have NP.
little sandal
I see people not using mastery now for m+ as assassin
strange python
should i run conflict or vision in m + ?
tropic ocean
vision is more versatile
and lets u get 2x vendetta on most bosses even in not so high keys
strange python
it scale good with blood y
little sandal
If they run EB just stack ver and crit?
tropic ocean
for max overall/aoe yes
mastery is not bad though because you dont always pull high mob counts
and garrote is nevertheless your highest source of dmg in a key
slim oxide
Hey everyone i just started playing rogue for about 4 days. This is the gear i got so far: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/koKy17g5t1qqre5zWquV9J what should i try to find as a solid upgrade ? and above 18% haste you start stackking on crit ?
sharp wigeon
Which potion is better for single target? Potion of Unbridle Fury or Potion of Focused Resolve?
slim oxide
should i get a peace with garrote ?
wet ruin
can you see what debuffs does the fluffy pillow have in sims at any point and their duration, specifically bleeds, couldn't find it in the html report
crimson palm
Noticed in sims with SS and Subt, it's doing Gar Mut Gar on first vanish. Is that 1 additional tick of garrote worth more than the CPs that are being wasted?
shy dust
Yes
wet ruin
I believe there was something about using garrote as the last spell during subterfuge (so 3rd spell) that made it better, but I really doubt that garrote->mutilate->garrote is the optimal play
fleet anchor
Yes
drifting cosmos
Isn't that like 5 sec worth of tick? For gar mut gar opening? And if you have 3ss
fleet anchor
Definitely worth it over the CP waste
drifting cosmos
That's a lot of dmg
fleet anchor
I mean you won't have access to those CPs after Subterfuge anyway
So they aren't really wasted
Either way, an extra SS tick is worth more than a couple CPs
Ideally you Mutilate->Vanish->Garrote->Envenom->Garrote but Garrote->Mutilate->Garrote is fine too and better than delaying Vanish
Just take what is available at the time
wet ruin
is there a reason the apl keeps doing double garrotes in the vanish windows after the first vanish
is it just the cp?
fleet anchor
Yeah depends a bit on the CPs and situation. Would have to look at what exactly the situation is.
wet ruin
it seems its only doing g-mut-g
I assume it does the first g then sees you are not at 4+ so does a mut and then sees you are at the last second of subt, so it does a garrote
fleet anchor
Yes at that CP situation most likely
That was part of the changes I had made a few weeks ago when I adjusted it double Garrote instead of single
wet ruin
yea, but is it better to double garrote, instead of one garrote at the end, at the proper time
what I mean by that is when its close to getting into pandemic you can vanish and use garrote as the 3rd spell
extending it to full duration
scarlet sequoia
should always aim to vanish with 2+ cp points if playing the deeper exsang ss build
then u just do g finisher g
fleet anchor
That is something I had looked at in terms of like.. just utilizing the last global of Subterfuge
And it was pretty much neutral
wet ruin
I see
fleet anchor
So I didn't bother doing it because I think it's a really risky way to play it out too
wet ruin
but yea, in every real scenario you wont do garrote-mut-garrote
fleet anchor
Also generalized it's somewhat poor since it would need to be different for multi-target
bleak spoke
@marble hemlock i have an incredibly first world problem to parse out with you - all my good corruptions are on haste/vers and haste/mastery pieces, is it worth it to take them over good stats for key or should i just play a lower corruption setup
vestal wren
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > vers => mastery > haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
hasty crater
is outlaw better rn in mythic plus ? ( and if so, is it a lot better ? )
scarlet sequoia
yes and no
hasty crater
Got an explanation for that ? ๐
scarlet sequoia
itโs better but not a lot better
fallow marsh
Hey guys a quick question would it be bether to play with and tentacle rank3 or with the weapon and infinite 3? The sim says that infinite+weapon would be better but im not sure because infinite depends on luck and there should be a higher proc rate und the weapon as far as i know
btw its tentacle 2 from carapace
subtle tundra
devout mirage
good night peoples, wich better?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ijFJEdg4oRdLC8VSC9t4oe
or
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jkfqU52SKUKhjK9T3PnPzE
karmic fjord
I've got a question about using Exsanguinate; is it better to use Exsanguinate over TB if you're using 3 x SS or just stick with TB?
karmic fjord
alrighty, ill update you after sims are done
seems like it's only a 520 dps difference
strange python
Throw in any amount of expedient and racing Pulse pieces as well as Vita into the top Gear compare. In Case you don't already have them equipped
Crimson tempest?
karmic fjord
it's a m+ build
I was wondering if it would really make a big difference if I started using exsang, since I've got 3 times SS
though I've got no clue when to use exsang with vendetta
strange python
Openers and CD usage for exsang should be covered in the wowhead Guide.
Or just run a quicksim and Check how it does it, or read the APL
karmic fjord
alrighty, thanks!
vast forum
why would you sim 5 minutes for m+?
devout mirage
5min is regular SIM right?
devout mirage
m+ is different
karmic fjord
oh yeah, just noticed
dusty turtle
Hey, i have an issue ๐
meager bridge
๐ what is it
dusty turtle
that im trash at assa, but im feeded with assa gear, i have no idea what to put together and play in raids
undone pasture
sudden canyon
are the essence reccomendations from rank 3s only
i have rank 2's only and my blood of the enemy isnt simming too hot but im not sure if i should trust the sims.
undone pasture
Cos rank2 bote is trash
sudden canyon
so trust the sims?
undone pasture
Surprisingly, yes
sudden canyon
damn rank 3 feels so far but i see everybody running it.
and i really want it
ive been grinding bg's
with like a 50% win rate
undone pasture
Wait for bg week and do it
sudden canyon
it fucking ass
vast forum
bg week was last week 
zinc pine
Using Subterfuge, does garrote snapshot or can I extend it without losing dmg
faint harness
if you refresh it early you lose out on dmg
zinc pine
thanks
sudden canyon
asss
strange python
So i jsut got 3 Double dose azerites adn this is the first time iv had it on all three, is there a way i can get it to proc more? like stack crit? or mastery or something?
cobalt pelican
press all your mutilates with an envenom buff up
white temple
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
hard gust
hey friends, is it worth overcapping cp to get 3 subterfuge empowered garrotes out instead of getting 2 out and a max cp rupture?
quasi pewter
yes
hard gust
cool, thank you!
lilac sparrow
why only few use Azshara's FoP on WCL? in my sim it overwhelm any others including 475 vita
pseudo hamlet
Probably it all depends of other people gear. After getting Infinite Stars piece my Vita 460 is stronger than 445 ilvl Azshara's trinket.
fathom swift
Its also just really not enjoyable to play
So people are more inclined to pick passive trinkets because of that
pseudo hamlet
I actually enjoy Vita much more, don't have to stay in one place for a few seconds and try to line-up a few CDs.
fathom swift
Yeah exactly
pseudo hamlet
It's worth gambling 480ilvl shoulders for M+? 3 of them have SS/EB
gloomy steppe
BotE simming lower than Memory and BotD on every site I see but still run by every rogue I come across - what accounts for that difference?
Do sims not run BotE effectively?
fathom swift
What do you mean by every site
gloomy steppe
Both Bloodmallet and HeroDamage have Memory and BotD major over BotE
But then wowhead recommends bote for major slot
scarlet sequoia
major and minors are put together on those sites
faint harness
a big part of lucid major is the minor
scarlet sequoia
like added
gloomy steppe
So trying to figure out why sims are diff from recommended
scarlet sequoia
raidbots.com and sim urself bro
gloomy steppe
I've simmed myself 40x today, just trying to figure out whether the r3 bote grind is worth it
if sims are right then it's not
but if sims are wrong then it is
hence the question
fathom swift
Stack rankings are generic and not accurate for your character anyway
scarlet sequoia
u can always just sim urself with blood r3
and see if its worth it
azerite_essences_available=4:4/5:4/6:3/12:4/14:4/15:2/22:4/23:4/27:4/28:4/32:4/35:3/36:4/37:4
here u go
copy that into your simc
gloomy steppe
aight, I'll check with r3 - so sim/recommendation difference just comes down to how the value of the essence is calculated (major + minor)?
scarlet sequoia
yes
fathom swift
You dont even need to edit your profile you can even just use the dropdown menu on raidbots to change essence rank
gloomy steppe
yeah that's what I did
strange python
I tried with simcraft addon and i sim higher with BotE in major
hollow bridge
i would need to sim to see if both Vita trinkets are better than say drest trinket and wrathion trinket wouldnt i? all ilvl 460...im just wondering if double vita is strong?
balmy coral
Void only buffs with the absorb shield up afaik, so if you take damage it loses value
steep ridge
Hmm would you guys use BotE in single if you are unsure how many use worldvein in your raid?
tardy nimbus
Don't use worldvein
hollow bridge
@balmy coral thank you, i figured with so much damage going out its kinda really bad actually, ๐
balmy coral
I'm on the wv hate bandwagon because I hate how it works and idc if it sims good, bote is so much more fun ๐
hollow bridge
hello, can anyone tell me if my logs here are based off my ilvl or just simply overall?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/dreadmaul/dreadlordkp#
lusty swallow
So I've been doing pretty decent running myths, but bombing every boss in nya, maybe I need to swap talents? Really not sure where to start to figure out what's going wrong
rigid mango
Link your logs
faint harness
Don't know where to start, read up on some guides i think.
you need to read up on some basic assassination guides cus theres too much missing and maybe look at your keybinds in stealth or something.
Cus i assume this is due to keybinds
the double cheap shot
lusty swallow
Ah, yeah and layout swaps when switching from main pc to laptop
faint harness
also ur gear is quite bad, almost no corruption items, bad azerite traits, low weapon ilvls etc etc
lusty swallow
So primary steps right now:
Fix keybinds
Read up on bis gear
prisma monolithBOT
rigid mango
Any of the above
raven mica
When do you bote in ST when running subterfuge with no SS?
lusty swallow
Guild mate had recommended this Hekili addon, assuming it's not such a great tool or maybe I have it setup wrong?
rigid mango
After TB muffin
faint harness
I havent used it, wouldnt know. In general i think rotation helpers wont be the best
raven mica
Havenโt had to run bote on ST on assassination since EP and I ran MA so my muscle memory is weird.
lusty swallow
Dope, thanks all ^^ Will work on these and see what happens
glacial steppe
kinda confused tho, sim says vexiona chest is an upgrade (0.1%, ~50 dps) but when i equip the chest and sim again, its actually 2 dps worse than my old chest
is that cus of error margin?
red bloom
Hey guys, any tips on how to sim for a fight like drestagath? dont want to get ask to swap on my hunter zzz
tropic ocean
besides that yeah 50dps is in margin of error
@red bloom
#3048 equip ur highest st setup
play breath major and snipe eyes/tents
glacial steppe
bash dem bashers and get orb every 2 mins
red bloom
nice one, Ill drop a NP then for another DD so I dont need to run vop
tropic ocean
vop is decent
depending on what your job is you either blast vendetta tents
or use vendetta on boss whenever u pick orb
red bloom
right on, Ill have a chat with my RL and see what I'm to be doing then
scarlet sequoia
doubt you vendetta adds anymore on drest with the nerf
just go vop minor and vendetta boss with every buff
red bloom
with vop minor, would going 3xDD 2xNP and a HoD suit better than the 3x NP 2x DD then?
strange python
i read somewhere that is isnt that bad on ilgynoth cause the stacks remain on the main target is that true or is it pure garbage?
scarlet sequoia
well considering u have 30 seconds to pump every minute ยฝ
3 np is prolly better
red bloom
ah niceone, cheers
glacial steppe
plumage is the same as your pvp trinket, isnt it @scarlet sequoia
scarlet sequoia
ye
glacial steppe
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2T6BAT2tpUanBtvKuXhqxe hmm guess im going to farm KR
scarlet sequoia
enjoy
glacial steppe
well i like kr so its k
and its fun as sin
just need the big fat carapace chest, its like 1.5k upgrade
azure pewter
Is it wroth running Heart of Darkness over Nothing personal?
scarlet sequoia
sim it
green isle
most guides tell me to line up vendetta+vanish, but if i follow their opener my 2nd vanish is like 15 seconds behind my 2nd vendetta? should i just wait with popping vendetta to pair it with vanish?
strange python
if they tell you to line it up what do u think the answer is? :P
simple storm
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
wary herald
I've been playing Outlaw (first rogue experience) and want to try Assasination. My barrier has been weapons, any tips on some decent daggers? I currently have crafted
vital wind
hey is the simming for the trait - twist the knife - broken?
its simming as better than double dose even though i already have a copy of twist the knife
arctic walrus
Do m+ of dungeons that drop daggers
You can link the sim because thereโs a lot of factors that can go into one trait simming better than another
vital wind
I just wasnโt sure if the sim knew what did and didnโt stack. But from your answer it seems that itโs working as intended so I know I can trust the sim
karmic fjord
!stat
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > vers => mastery > haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
ripe star
Good afternoon to all
strange python
dang yo vop major feels great
vital wind
I still have a hunch that this sim is wrong as I really don't think twist the blade should be simming over double dose
patent topaz
with those talents and gear it is
thing is you are simming the DD piece with hod and you dont have 25 corr
probably running MP as well
vital wind
yea i'm running MP
I was about to resim it with Elaborate Planning since i think I should be running that talent instead
vagrant raven
hey guys im new to assassination rogue, could you look at my setup and let me know what i could change?
rigid mango
Just get stuff that doesn't suck, essentially
Your char is obv new/fresh so it's not shocking
But r3 essences, coral + vita trinkets, mechagon set for rings and just actually high ilvl pieces esp daggers and azerite that have decent traits
i.e do the raid
vestal wren
depends on who you ask
a lot of people would use blood over everything else in major slot
royal lantern
blood/vop/breath are all3 played
rigid mango
Lucid and breath should always be used
Strife is just usable everywhere, same for blood
Breath might even be better as major, same as vop in some scenarios but they both require you to think a bit more buildwise/playwise
magic thorn
Hey guys what would you suggest me to wear in M+, i cant decide if i want to play a Crit Build with Multiple Severe or if i want to play like Twilight 5.
Some opinions please :)
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jRZCCCXHF8WidFzh7wBKRc Severe
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aWzfa6RyaZgcDqkjuTfbpK Twilight
patent topaz
with triple EB probably more st focused corruptions
rigid mango
Depends kinda what you want, TD should give you higher overall afaik.
But severe will help more with ST
alpine widget
Hey guys what would be the best choice for a dungeon to buy a +15 boost for as a pretty much fresh rogue?
rigid mango
Probably even prio? Idk
uhh, anything with a dagger
FH is pretty dope, dice is nice too.
magic thorn
Kingsrest also has dagger+trinket
rigid mango
UR has crit mast dagger, TD has crit haste dagger
Ye but who uses that trink when coral is a thing 
Spyglass is obv good but dagger is absolute prio
magic thorn
coral as new rogue ๐
fleet whale
not like it's hard to play with
rigid mango
Ye but if u don't care about optimising then u don't care about what dungeon
not like what's hard to play with?
fleet whale
coral
rancid bobcat
he prob means trying to get it as a new rogue, not that it's hard to play
rigid mango
^
magic thorn
ye
rancid bobcat
prob not getting into an ep run unless leader isn't looking at all
fleet whale
could lfr it
rancid bobcat
you need a mythic version
rigid mango
Not like it's hard to make your own run, buy a boost for it or just get it when you have some baseline gear
rancid bobcat
someone linked a sim above and their heroic socketed was beat out by a plumage
fleet whale
my 430 version of the trinket is still really good
rigid mango
If you want gear that'll probably be worth for a while then you should just prio daggers and dice/spgylass
Everything else is corruption dependant really
Ofc dagger is too but getting one at 465 if you don't is giga prio
magic thorn
btw is masterful ever worth it for rogue or can i just freely purge it ? like we cant profit much
strange python
its worth stacking Nothing Personal?
fleet whale
is masterful the proc mastery one
rigid mango
Depends on what it's up against
fleet whale
or the one that increases mastery value
fleet whale
yeah, i have a piece with honed mind on it, it procs a fair amount
strange python
I mean, does the energy regen stacks?
rigid mango
Masterful is fine, but nothing amazing, can be really nice to slot in as a low corr item to fit certain budgets
strange python
or just the damage?
strange python
thanks!
magic thorn
well i never have more then like 1k mastery, i dont think i can use it much then
rigid mango
I mean that's not really the point
It's more just like, unless you have something similar that's better that can easily slot into budgets
To get you to stuff like 59 or 39
It's a fine corruption to use to get there
I want to get them to make a KR set full of just mastery
3 SS HoD with masterful stack sounds funny.
But yeah unless you have a bunch of other low corr items that can do the same thing and the piece the masterful is on is an upgrade worth purifying for, I personally wouldn't cleanse it but that's just me.
rancid bobcat
Yeah just always hodl your corruptions
fleet whale
unless if it's some total garbage trait
rigid mango
The only thing I've purged is the 5 ineffable truths I've gotten from weekly chests ๐
rancid bobcat
I mean, aside from bad ones yeah
fleet whale
i actually am keeping my leech pieces though just for the lols
rancid bobcat
I was running out of space so I dumped my void rituals though
patent topaz
I use versatile 3 in my >40 set for example. Nothing else I can put in
rancid bobcat
I got a fair amount of versatile sitting around, feels kinda bad
magic thorn
ineffable truth is bis ๐ get em in arena with the perma vendetta XD
fleet whale
for pvp i feel you want the verse ones
rigid mango
PvP 
fleet whale
so why is lash of the void impossible to get for assassination, does it only proc on certain weapons
rigid mango
Yes, just the FW from raden.
magic thorn
So i just did a few quicksims, and the dmg im losing/gaining with twilight compares to the extra dmg from my other abilites, so if i want more consistend dmg or more focus dmg on lets say my empowered garrotes i should stick with the crit/severe build. Did i understand it right ?
rigid mango
I mean you're relying on crits instead of procs
The thing with TD and assa is that we obv don't stack haste for m+ so it's not as good for us as it is other classes, like dh.
I personally am not a fan of TD and I'd rather play the stat build than TD but it does work.
fleet whale
does any raid actually have someone using spark of inspiration?
rigid mango
Dunno.
magic thorn
ok gucci. im doing all this because i farmed 4 sockets this week and im super unsure where to put em in
fleet whale
could be fun if someone in your group used it and you used a buffed breath
patent topaz
I just put sockets in my raiding gear because im doing lower keys than my gear can do anyway
magic thorn
Not raiding anymore. the only time i raid is when zine needs rogue traders for vip buyers XD and then i dont really care because im still decent
patent topaz
general rule of thumb is to socket gear you wont replace soon and use in a lot of gear sets
fleet whale
i wish assassination had a busted trait like Furious gaze
strange python
if u play no dispell at ilgynoth can u still cloak or will the raid wipe?
strange python
ty some1 else said if u have to cloak do it when the circle is small
peak yarrow
anyone have a link to a good assa elvui/wa?
strange python
aight thank you!
latent herald
Is VoP maj only beneficial over Iris on Tyrannical?
crimson palm
Ye but who uses that trink when coral is a thing :duckoWhy:
@rigid mango most of those running the 3xSS exsan build ๐
rigid mango
haha funny
thin gate
