theres a maut helm thats decent
#assassination
lean marten
vivid topaz
i'll jsut tell him shoulders
lean marten
so prolly not helm
vivid topaz
he mainly will be doing m+ so want those traits (i guess ehcoing blades and shrouded suff)
white peak
I have a kind of a silly question regarding sin rogue AoE rotation in M+ (e.g. on fortified affix) when using multiple Echoing Blades azerite traits. You build combo points quite quickly of course (often 4-5 in a single FoK cast).
So, is your DPS from getting lots of finishers (FoK -> Envenom -> Fok -> Envenom, etc.) OR are you just straight spamming FoK -> FoK -> FoK (when using multiple Echoing Blades traits) and ignoring the combo points bc the damage you are dealing is primarily from FoK + Echoing Blades (not from using finishers)?
vivid topaz
is tentacle lace terrible
white wyvern
@white peak Depends on target count.
IIRC you ignore finishes are 6,8,10 targets with 3,2,1 EB respectively.
In that case you just keep up bleeds enough to FoK spam.
vivid topaz
sorry for spurg questions
i'm trying to help my friend
wanna mainly get him up for M+
do the traits i selected here seem ok for that purpose? or am i doing something glaringly bad
endless hunger seems to sim well for MT?
but double dose also is supposed to be good
white wyvern
DD is for the most part bad in M+.
vivid topaz
so swap for EH?
white wyvern
IDK that's also quite shit.
vital crown
do you guys think its worth using two 2 shroud suffocation and 2 echoing blades with the engineering head or should i aim for 3?
azerite traits that is
white wyvern
Sure that's fine. You can still try to get another SS/EB though.
vital crown
yeah bit unlucky on that :p also which aoe trait out of the engineering ones is best?
white wyvern
Sim it.
vivid topaz
blood mallet has EH p high up is that just cause of the default gear they use?
i know it's like a weird darkshore trait but it's all he's got vs double dose
and just wnana try and maximize his m+ dam
white wyvern
Sim it.
vivid topaz
i did but i know M+ sims aren't as good so figured i'd ask for some input from people who play the spec
and i don't play rogue so it's harder for me to know what's good situationally or what is a sim trap
white wyvern
Dungeon Slice isn't good.
Just sim patchwerk 4 targets, 6 targets, 8 targets, 10 targets at 40s with no lust separately and digest.
vivid topaz
ok
thorny dew
Not sure if this goes here, but raidbots sim is saying that rank 4 crucible > rank 3 Blood of the enemy. I should ignore that right lol?
for Major
thorny dew
Yeah im just confused why its saying crucible of flame, from everything I've read it says use Blood of the enemy for Major slot
white wyvern
Link the sim.
jolly comet
The dream is real guys. Helm/Shoulder/Chest 480 EB/SS
white peak
@white wyvern thanks bud
lean marten
ur minors are chavez so its giving u weird combos
for ur current ilvl/traits/essences crucible is better
that will change once u get closer to BiS
thorny dew
thanks!
quasi scroll
Does Infinite Stars benefit from haste?
rigid mango
Yes
strange python
guys... i really feel like i lose energy all the time and i cant regen fast enough , what would be the reason (im on alt, im not a realy aas rogue)
strange python
but on single target ?
rigid mango
Well, 5 bleeds = infinite energy
strange python
and when there are 3-4 targets, i feel like its a living hell....
rigid mango
Beacuse the spec gets a lot harder, yeah.
shut thistle
Hello everyone
strange python
i play MM hunter , so everything is harder and all that haha , so i picked also this bad spec , dont know why
so is there anything that i should do to get my energy back , or to be more efficient on single target ?
rigid mango
Assa is simple as hell on single target, there's no real thinking about it as of now
There used to be minmaxing with energy and buffs, which is still present just a lot less impactful than people generally think.
However as soon as multiple targets are introduced and you have to play the minmax game of garrote/rupture uptime to gain more energy the spec becomes a lot harder.
strange python
i mean u have to put garrote on all targets(or as manny as u can) and in the same time put the rupture on each ?
rigid mango
Garrote doesn't reward you with energy when it still has uptime and the target dies, rupture does.
Also depends a bit on upcoming windows
shut thistle
I am new to assasination rogue and read a lot guides from website but I have still some problems with BiS gear
rigid mango
Can you have an extended window of high energy inside Vend or TB, etc
shut thistle
I want to focused on single target for raids
shut thistle
what trinkets and rings should I get?
shut thistle
By mechagon ones you mean Overclocking Bit Band and Logic Loop of Division right?
upper elm
what is the deal of playing subtrefurge over master assasin without shrouded suffocation?
rigid mango
If that's what they're called yeah
Subterfuge scales better
MA is a flat % of the hardest DR'ing stat there is
Esp when running coral and bote MA is half wasted if not fully.
strange python
im trying to find an opener for - Condensed major(3min cd), Vendetta (2min cd), Galecaller's Boon trinket (2 min cd - 10sec duration) , toxic blade , vanish (vanish feels strange, how do i get out of it ? just atack the target with auto atack ? ) , and how do i combine all this ? binding them in macro ? or just some of them like trinket and vendeta cause same cd ?
@rigid mango
rigid mango
Are you using MA or subterfuge?
upper elm
the better garrote from subtrefurge works only while subtrefurge is active (for 3 sec after leaving stealth) or does it works for garrotes outside stealth too?
strange python
MA , i dont like subterfuge , because i dont like to have that invs spell on after i get out of inv
lean marten
look at the order in a Quick Sim is the easiest
rigid mango
Then you'd just do the same as pins
Use GCB when you vendetta or something there
Doesn't matter too much
Then you just use it on CD once, and again with your vendetta
Alternate vendetta > on cd > vendetta etc
And CLF you just use blanket but can also delay a cast to the next vendetta for a dps increase if you know that the fight wont last to the one after this.
Yes @upper elm only in stealth/subterfuge.
strange python
ok , thanks for the infos , ill see what i can do
upper elm
hmmm interesting https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eJKbZeaYNJmHzEph38i5jL
west cove
can rogs no longer shadowstep to racing flag?
rigid mango
Nope.
west cove
sad
stray folio
Why is TA so good for rogues ? does it proc from bleeds/poisons ?
dapper dock
Should I always run 1 SS trait and 1 EB trait for m+?
strange python
it looks like Vendetta, trinket and vanish comes good on 1 macro key , but not the toxic blade
so before i start with Envenom, i think i could go Condensed > Toxic Blade > Vendett+trinket+vanish > Envenom
gilded otter
Shrouded Suffocation vs Filthy Transfusion ?
lean marten
yes
frigid musk
which azerite trait do i need for single target ?
ripe gulch
errant swallow
which azerite trait do i need for single target ?
@frigid musk DD x 3
What do you guys think about going DD x 3 on tyrannical weeks? I know it depends on group comp a lot but I don't have a solid group, I pug all the time.
strange python
any good WA for ass rogue ?
royal lantern
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
lean marten
DD on aoe is like EB on ST. just does nothing for the other becuase u dont cast FoK in ST and you don't cast mut in AoE
DD won't help at all on aoe but yes it will kill tyran bosses
errant swallow
Exactly
I built 3x EB for Fortified weeks
Sometimes (most times) tanks won't let you drop combat
My point being, trash will be pretty easy this week. So might just plan for bosses
lean marten
u could swap 1 or 2 EB around but overall won't make a huge diff imo
dapper dock
U could do a balanced build between the two. U speaking 1 extreme to the next
rigid mango
DD is quite literally one of the worst traits possible
lean marten
yes but still better than EB on ST lol
rigid mango
Wat
royal lantern
if you want more st in m+you take stat traiuts like blightborn or HoD
rigid mango
How is that even relevant 
dapper dock
U guys now debating it now the guy who needed the help is gone lol
lean marten
lmao
quasi pewter
@errant swallow
worldly sandal
How is glimpse of clarity for sin?
quasi pewter
very bad
rigid mango
Happy tuesday
errant swallow
Have a great day everyone
worldly sandal
I guess thats what I get for getting a socketed expedient piece last week
At least i got my first 480 azzy gear
errant swallow
Yes, sorry I was taking M+ on tyrannical weeks
quasi pewter
yea as we said, dont use dd in m+ under any circumstance
ss>eb/HoD>ttk
dont use anything else if you can avoid it
bbi is also good if you have gorak tuls
rigid mango
^
dapper dock
How much will single target dps take a hit if 3 eb 3 ss?
dapper dock
Gotcha
quasi pewter
you can sim it too if you want a more accurate answer
dapper dock
Ya true. But running 3 eb and 3 ss should result in a higher total dps for dungeon even on tyrannical?
quasi pewter
3eb is almost always gonna be more overall dps
crimson palm
do mecha rings proc on nzoth?
quasi pewter
only workshop/boralus/kr ur propably gonna see higher overall without eb
scarlet hinge
How much haste is not enough for m+ ?
quasi pewter
i usually have around 85% uptime on the behind ring
on nzoth*
and thats with running around, gating etc
so its pretty much always up
scarlet hinge
Sweet, ty,
vagrant warren
should i aim for 3 times echoing blades for m+?
tropic ocean
yes
vagrant warren
and what other trait?
dapper dock
Scroll up this was just discussed
vagrant warren
3 ss?
dapper dock
Keep scrolling lol and read. Put some effort into it
lost slate
if youre talking traits, yea
quasi scroll
for assassin in 2v2 do you use basically same build as M+?
quasi scroll
ah nice
white wyvern
Do not use a M+ build. 
next solar
ugh, a dh in my guild has 5 gushing wounds..
frigid briar
Did coral tooltip get changed today for US after reset. Seen a pic flying around. Not sure if fake
rigid mango
People seem to have same old same old.
strange python
@rigid mango i did a short video with a single target dummy , take a look if you can
https://vimeo.com/410308234
i did some mistakes with pressing envenom with 3cp , i know i ahve to be 4+ , but other than that , look at that lack of energy...
rigid mango
I'm gonna be entirely honest and say I cba watching a video but if you can get me a log I'll be more than happy to look through it
They're a lot more comprehensive
strange python
its like 2-3 min ... you can watch half, but i can do a log on a dumm maybe
ok , wait a sec , i will log a dummy
mystic fractal
for starters, keep your dots up?
white wyvern
Start stealthed?? đ¤
honest vessel
o no
white wyvern
I saw first global and said "I'm done".
strange python
why the fuck are you dancing in front of a dummy
frigid briar
You could also have more than 10 energy before riding that dry toxic blade
strange python
ok i have the logs @rigid mango https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xqGy4jPv6dahHpX1/
fading stag
should I sim 3 or 4 patchwerk bosses for aoe? and how long?
rigid mango
You should not macro vanish to vendetta
honest vessel
tb before vanish
rigid mango
You want vanish after TB
You mut'd above 3 CP
You have random holes where you don't use TB it seems
strange python
yes i will do mutilate at 4-5 cp , i mistakes sometimes , but i dont think that the problem with lack of energy
rigid mango
And yeah your bleed uptime is horrendous
strange python
ok so use TB on cd
honest vessel
that makes a huge difference on lack of energy
you're spending 50 energy
for nothing
frigid briar
Your lack of energy is lack of resource managment
Think of it as a defined amount of energy per fight
strange python
and about the opener .. i did a macro to press it for Vendetta+Trinket+vanish , because TB cant be impelemented there ...
rigid mango
Caring about buffs doesn't matter
strange python
so i chose to TB and press the macro
frigid briar
Combo points is a resource
patent topaz
I wouldnt advise macroing abilities together
strange python
so dont use TB on cd , wait for energy to rise ?
rigid mango
It's nearly irrelevant tho 
frigid briar
Just plan to have enough energy when it comes off so you dont need to wait
honest vessel
^
frigid briar
And its not irrelevant
frigid briar
Extra abilities used during toxic blade is quite big
rigid mango
People think buff managment matters
Or TB minmaxing matters
but it really is very minor đ
strange python
so can i keep using the Vend+trink+vanish > TB > Mut ?
rigid mango
No use vanish after TB
honest vessel
if you have to, macro vend and trinket
then tb then vanish
macros more like wackros
amirite
frigid briar
Wheres the proof that its minor? Because more abilities used during burst is more dps.
Shit energy and good energy is the difference in extra envenoms
rigid mango
It is, but in this day and age everyone has so much free energy from procs etc, such as lucid
shy dust
Yes it is more dps but not a significant amount
honest vessel
any increase is a big deal
rigid mango
It really isn't
rigid mango
It is?
Good to know
Maybe for you, maybe not for everyone, not for the vast majority
frigid briar
Well lets say everyone optimizes in a raid and deals 0.1% dps more
Thats alot when your on progress on a hard boss
shy dust
Is it damage that youâre failing at?
rigid mango
So I don't personally care about it enough
frigid briar
Well we wiped Nzoth on 3% like 10 times before we killed it
shy dust
With all this gear at this point damage isnât the issue
frigid briar
That eas 6 weeks ago
honest vessel
playing as good as you can makes up for other people not
kills the boss faster sometimes
sometimes is enough for me
rigid mango
But saying that pooling matters
Is incorrect
And when you kill a boss that I didn't because you pooled and I didn't care
DM me.
shy dust
You know if it was a significant dps increase to pool energy people would be telling you to do so
honest vessel
some do
frigid briar
Lol
shy dust
Instead of saying it isnât a big deal because it isnât a major contribution to your damage
frigid briar
If you choose to not pool thats fine but its a dps loss
honest vessel
seems like it depends who's on that day to tell you
rigid mango
but such a tiny one that my RNG could make it up for me
I never said it wasn't a dps increase
Just a minor one.
That people, like you, overvalue a lot
frigid briar
What?
rigid mango
When infact the diff between me playing properly and brain afk is minor
frigid briar
Sorry if I've offended you or your playstyle. Wasnt my intentions. He asked a question on how to improve and I helped him
rigid mango
I havn't been offended
plain moon
Saying rng could make up for it is irrelevant. You could get the good rng pull on top of pooling.
rigid mango
I just don't like the fact that people overvalue stuff that infact is nearly irrelevant
plain moon
I disagree that itâs ânearly irrelevantâ
honest vessel
there arent that many big things to focus on for dmg increases, so theres plenty brainpower around to focus on smaller increases
and it makes it more fun
rigid mango
And it even gets stuff like
honest vessel
who cares if its small
plain moon
But itâs not.
plain moon
If I could I would
rigid mango
Same.
So I use what I have
I can't say it's wrong
I've had convos with koji multiple times where my ideas that have seemed logical to me, havn't been dps increases
Which I suppose was being naive by me
plain moon
Idk where youâre ideas were but saying the apl does it so it must be right is not the way to look at things at all
rigid mango
My way of thinking is the APL is really well maintained
And this isn't the first time someone brings this topic up
So if it was so simple to just change and make it better, why has it not been done yet?
plain moon
My guess is that it isnât simple just to change
rigid mango
Because I'll tell you this, the rogue apl is one of the most refined of all specs
Classes*
Rather
plain moon
I have no idea how to write apls or really any knowledge in it
rigid mango
So what makes your way of thinking better than mine?
I trust that the APL is good because I see the work being put into it, you don't trust it and that's more correct?
rigid mango
I'm just saying that pooling is very minor. That's all I said.
And that it's largly irrelevant to your dps in a fight because of so many other factors.
distant lava
it's a way more significant gain to loot 6 expedients like a gaymer or to proc 5 tentacle a minute
frigid briar
Thats true
plain moon
Saying things like ânot a significant gainâ âlargely irrelevantâ does nothing
rigid mango
???
harsh sphinx
rigid mango
It explains how it's, largly irrelevant and not a significant gain?
plain moon
I disagree with the fact that itâs largely irrelevant.
rigid mango
Because?
plain moon
But the point is whatâs relevant and whatâs not is on a scale thatâs different for ever player on what the goals are
rigid mango
But why do you disagree? Because the minor dps gain matters or that the APL is wrong? Or both?
If you're minmaxing and playing for a top 10 guild trying to squeeze literally all bit of dps out of your spec for the sake of first week(s) progression, I understand.
white wyvern
Yall are literally arguing semantics.
plain moon
Both
rigid mango
But for a vast majority of people, it's largly irrelevant.
And last time I checked I'm not helping a top10 raider learning sin.
Feel free to make an APL that shows a gain in playing the way you want and dm me with it when you feel like it's refined to your standards.
And when you kill a boss because you pooled and I didn't, feel free to sling that my way again.
frigid briar
Lets say you have 5 minor mistakes while playing. Fix them and gain 5 minor dps gains. Thats decent dps to gain on progression.
What exactly is a major dps gain?
rigid mango
I'm not talking about several mistakes?
I'm talking about the diff between pooling and not.
frigid briar
Yeah but it started with that dude asking how to get better right
rigid mango
Anyways, I've already said what I felt, and so did you two I hope.
frigid briar
Whos making alot of mistakes
rigid mango
This wont get anywhere at all.
cobalt pelican
vast forum
@rigid mango tbh, apl can only play within certain rules, and all the small mistakes it makes across thousands of iterations iron out to very minor dps losses
we won't have perfect sims until we have AI playing the game
rigid mango
I know.
fading stag
can someone tell me how to sim for m+? I thought it was like 3 or 4 patchwerk bosses and 1 minute
fathom swift
On the topic of pooling, if you look at that guys log theres so many things to improve that would help a lot more than worrying about pooling at all
Like just looking at time/effort vs performance gain
turbid galleon
Anyone have a fix to a Razor Coral weak aura? After the patch my WA is no longer showing coral stacks and instead showing as if there are no stacks on the target.
white wyvern
@fading stag emulate M+ environment using multiple patchwerk sims and digest from there.
fleet whale
Having op corruptions on gear and good rng>proper pooling, it's just how it is right now
strange python
thanks for the answers, and about that Vendett+ trinket + vanish > TB , u said TB has to be before vanish
fleet whale
yes
strange python
so can i do the TB before that vendeta+trinket+vanish ?
i really feel like i want to keep that vendeta and vanish in same button cause both have 2min cd
fathom swift
You dont want to macro vendetta and vanish
fleet whale
ideally you should tb into 5 cps, and then vanish
strange python
fk...
fleet whale
and i like to use Vendetta before TB cause of globals
fathom swift
Its not that hard to find 2 buttons to not have to macro them
strange python
i mean till now i was just pressing condensed and after vendeta and after trinket and after toxic blade and after vanish\
and it takes to damn long
fleet whale
if you use vendetta after a TB cast, it's a waste global for TB
strange python
ok , so cant use TB anywere before vendeta or after vanish
fathom swift
Its also bad if you have np traits
strange python
so cant get an easier way
patent topaz
idk what the debate is here, just use the opener in the guide
fathom swift
Yeah its really simple
strange python
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/eu/ravencrest/Baraw
here are my traits
fathom swift
You're running ss? Without subterfuge?
patent topaz
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/skmsyoKhJUbkgoa2ryVwb6 1200 increase to run subterfuge
strange python
i just find it strange to use that subterfuge... because i cant use other spell for 3 sec after vanish , right ?
turbid galleon
You can
patent topaz
strange python
i already looked into that , but ofc i didnt read every single word
turbid galleon
With subterfuge, you have access to stealth abilities for 3 seconds. But all you need to worry about is that garrote is empowered when applied during that time
patent topaz
subterfuge usage and opener are pretty straightforward
strange python
its totally different the subterfuge opener from what i see , different use of vanish also
nah , i aint gonna use subterfuge, too different
fathom swift
Shrouded suffocation has basically no value then
grim tangle
very confused by that decision
cobalt pelican
it takes like half a minute to learn and maybe 2 pulls if you're slow
grim tangle
1k dps increase and gain even more value with multiple targets and is very easy to play
scarlet cave
Yo guys, is it just me or does Nzoth get more dmg from us Assa? đ
fathom swift
What do you mean?
strange python
garr>mut>rupt>vend>mut>tb>mut>env>mut>envm>vanish (and what do i do with this 3 seconds of no spells , just garrot ?
turbid galleon
There is no 3 seconds of no spells
strange python
so how do i get out of that 3 secc
scarlet cave
i dont know what it is, but i suddenly sky rocket in dmg vs him
patent topaz
3 seconds pass
fathom swift
Psychus?
patent topaz
1 2 3
scarlet cave
like 40k normaly and 60-70k vs him
turbid galleon
you change your bars so you can still use your other abilities while in stealth
scarlet sequoia
@scarlet cave its because he usually takes 99% less damage
strange python
i tought that opener is for " Master Assassin talented "
patent topaz
the point is you should be using subterfuge with one ss trait
white wyvern
@strange python Subterfuge allows you to use stealth abilities for 3 seconds after leaving stealth. You can still use non-stealth abilities during this too.
strange python
yes i got that , so i can put the spells on the stealth bar , didnt know that
undone pasture
how r u double garroting with master assassin
strange python
all is so different, MA different opener , SS or no SS different opener , exsanguinate different opener
i mean wtf...
turbid galleon
That's usually what happens with different talents
strange python
.... ok thanks for infos..
fathom swift
Itd be kinda boring if you hit the same buttons no matter what talents
patent topaz
just practice and get it into your muscle memory, takes a while to get used to when you swap talents
strange python
man its fkd up , i will be honest , changing the entire rotation for MA or Sub , or for toxic blade or exang , or for SS or no SS
i mean there are 6 different rotation or more
patent topaz
its not a different rotation
strange python
its just 1 spec
eager barn
opener, not rotation.
strange python
i mean opener
patent topaz
just a sequence of a couple of spells at the start
fathom swift
Its just the first like 10s
strange python
but 6-7 different openers , what is that
eager barn
talents should change playstyle
fathom swift
90% of your rotation is the same keeping bleeds up and spamming mutilate envenom
strange python
and i see 5 openers
cobalt pelican
i just listed all 3 of the relevant openers, the other parts of them are just where your tb/exsang fit in
if you're doing low level content like lfr or normal just press whatever you want
patent topaz
I can guarantee you will not play exsang
strange python
nah , im not doing high lvl content on my rogue (not sure if i will do in the future , just +10 or around that maybe more if i get more used with it , i do high lvl content with my hunter pvp,pve (raid/m+)
eager barn
even heroic and m+15's you can just push whatever
rancid bobcat
so do whatever you want then
eager barn
as long as you follow basic principles
strange python
i just want to do it right , thats all , and im overwhelmed by so many openers and losing that energy
anyway i got you guys
so thanks for every info that u gave
shut thistle
Stealth > Mutilate (generates 4 combo points) > Rupture > Mutilate > Garrote > Vendetta > Toxic Blade > Vanish > Envenom and so on
does this rotaion is good for single taget?
without shrouded suffocation
little sandal
i dont have any shrouded suffocation just double dose and heart of darkness but ssubterfuge is simming more then master assassin and when i tried it the opener its too weird
patent topaz
you garrote once, how is that weird?
cobalt pelican
it's like the.. normal rogue opener..
eager barn
opening with garrote instead of mut is wierd?
little sandal
its that it only generates 1 combo point
so garrote muti rup garrote and then normal rotation vanish and reset garrot
eager barn
vanish-> garr is with < 5.4 sec left on garr
shy dust
Youâre overwriting youâre empowered garrote since the last one isnât in subterfuge
eager barn
it doesn't stack
little sandal
ok got it i though u could stack em i only sim 93k i need to get better at this game
little sandal
i meant it as i need to get better nothing much
lean marten
IS stacker alert
little sandal
whats the different with shrouded suffocation that you use 2 garrote in opener
and with no shoruded u only use 1 shrouded
cobalt pelican
it does more damage and gives more combo points
little sandal
ok got it then got to get used to this new rotation then ty guys going to go hit the dummy now
modern heart
is there a reason why people are running internal bleeding during raids?
fleet whale
the whole row is pure utility so it really doesn't matter that much what you take in that row
modern heart
ye was noticing it on logs, maybe there was a bug so wanted to double check
never know these days, small indie company
fleet whale
It is used a lot in pvp so maybe they just didn't bother to switch
maybe you could cheese Ilygnoth if you KS a blob or even an MC'ed ally
and get more energy
scarlet sequoia
ye kidney for a 6 second bleed instead of rupture
smart gaming
u just play it if u wanna pad a little with kidney
if u have to stun blobs on ilgynoth anywyas
distant lava
it's the only one that can give you something in raids imo
might aswell run something that might be useful if you press kidney
fleet whale
but in the end the row really doesn't matter that much, just choose what you like
and iron wire can be ok on Vex
vast forum
@distant lava i mean, if kidney works on a target, prey is a bigger group dps gain than internal bleeding
assuming people are targeting the stunned thing
fleet whale
they probably want to pad their own logs
eager barn
I run prey because groupdps is larger than my dps, but i'm not sure how i would even measure the effectiveness of it, if it even really matters at all.
vast forum
usually if something is being dpsed by multiple people, 10% of total dmg for 6 sec is greater than IB
people ran prey on azshara for hulks for a reason
eager barn
yes in theory obviously, i more meant whether or not my raid is even taking advantage
and whether or not it's my full stun or if it got dred because a pally got a hoj on it or something right before
but its not worth looking even, i just feel better leaving it as prey
because the potential is there
loud light
the prey debuff is always 6 seconds regardless of how long the stun is
so DR doesn't matter
eager barn
oh true
low girder
yeah on azshara we just had hunter binding shot the hulk and then as it wore off i'd 1 cp kidney for the debuff
since binding lasts longer
west cove
is mecha ring set essential for assa ? any other combinations of rings beat those or no?
for raiding environment obviously
strange python
yoo guys, i forgot to ask earlier , i need a good WA to see energy, garrot, rupture , all that
fleet whale
they are by no means essential like the bracers for fire mages, but yes they can help you deal more damage
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
strange python
nice , thanks for that , i was look also at https://wago.io/SyAZO3zXz , i will check those right now also
eager barn
how useful is self reliance? i just picked up gorak tul's mantle, generally i wouldnt pick up self reliance, but i'm not a huge fan of footpad, i'm trying to think through raid encounters for how often i'm 12 yds from all enemies, and it's pretty uh... rare.
i might take it for just for solo content though
tacit steppe
Yea as a melee class, really not a good trait lol
lean marten
is it possible to carry friends in 5 mask visions if they sit in first zone
how hard to the mobs scale
subtle tundra
depends on the spec
dps the hp gets doubled and thats it
if its tank, not as much hp but way more dmg
vast forum
as assa rogue it's quite possible
i've sold many boosts in visions
you can even bring them along for other zones if you have the right strats đ
vast forum
you should still be fine if you go slow đ
marble hemlock
dunno
i did it once
the 2 archers+faceless in the blacksmith quarter just wrecked me
the shoot does 90-100k dmg with a tank in the grp
instead of the usual 30k
strange python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/702245893902041311/unknown.png
so how do i do the combo points here ?
cause i dont see getting 4 CP from garrot to put that rupture and after that for 1st envenom
shy dust
you have shrouded suffocation right?
strange python
i just tought we should use rupture and envenom with 4-5 cp
shy dust
just for that specific opener its the optimally way
since you want to pandemic your garrote
shy dust
yes
rigid mango
Assume every opener is from stealth.
civic palm
Yeah this isn't Classic, are any retail encounters forcing you to not be in stealth?
cobalt pelican
orgozoa he he
civic palm
: - |
strange python
im just a big noob as rogue , thats all haha , im a MM hunter on main
and i see another thing , with that WA that i got , i see "EMP" above garrot , is that empowered ? and what should i do ?
dusk narwhal
Is there a guide for 5 mask runs? Any certain talent + corruption combos?
midnight folio
Thoughts on expedient corruption?
scarlet sequoia
good
strange python
ok , something is wrong with this new rotation that i do... can someone check this out ? its just less than a min on dummy , the energy is down and i cant do shit after the opener and maybe 1-2 spells
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tBJnN93r64d7wFbV/
garr>rup>garr>vend>tb>envm>mut>envm>vansh>2xgarr
i can do a short clip fast with this opener so you see my energy is fkd up
raven mica
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/waYnZQtHPyYv5NPoSUK7jm
Game's tryin to tell me something and I dont wanna listen
strange python
my energy gets fkd on this opener
https://vimeo.com/410415888
arctic walrus
why do you not have poisons on, why did you vanish and overwrite an empowered garrote with 14 seconds left
strange python
i dont know when the poisions got off , ill put them back and try again
raven mica
"energy gets fucked"
doesnt have poisons on
static acorn
if I take VoP minor/major, do I still sync up vendetta casts w/ vanish or does that change?
strange python
its something new, i cant do everything very fast
i just want to do everything right
inland gull
@marble hemlock ye, helping tank specced people is nightmare, even in og, mobs hit insane, but carrying even an afk healer lot easier :p
strange python
so yeah the poisions was 1 of the prbolems right now
fathom swift
Why would you take vop minor if you just delay vendetta to line it up anyway
static acorn
I see it simming highly and people take it in some of the high parses im seeing, trying to find out myself why you would take it since presumably you wouldn't change the overlap
like in some cases im seeing it sim above C&S all else equal, implying it isn't just the vers
but can't tell why it would
fathom swift
Nothing personal traits increase its value a lot
static acorn
That would just be for the major though, yeah?
arctic walrus
If vop is your major/minor, likely you are also running subt, which largely decreases the pairability between vanish and vendetta
sims show that it's not a gain at all to sync, so just use vanish and vendetta on their separate cds
fathom swift
You can still run it with MA and just delay vanish to every other vendetta but it prob wont sim as high
static acorn
K so if I'm running sims for VoP I should be including Subterfuge, got it. Should I also include swapping a point of SS in for azerite?
Apologies for the questions, just got BotE and C&S 3 so im running tons of sims and looking into builds i didn't ever consider before
arctic walrus
you can sim that as well, but it probably wouldn't be better unless you have a lot of expedient pieces and 490 azerite
fathom swift
May as well sim it but its usually not better
torpid linden
if we're running subterfuge but no shrouded suffocation, do we not want to pandemic the subterfuge empowered garrote?
strange python
ok guys , i did it again with poisons ON ( )
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Xk3Z9JVgMBAWHaDh/
https://vimeo.com/410418612
logs and video , now i think the opener is right and i dont feel the energy that bad again
but still , there is a lack of energy , its like it tells me to wait to get more energy and after to do the spells and thats dps lose while you wait for energy to get up
fathom swift
You're vanishing way way too early
fathom swift
What opener says to vanish with half an empowered garrote left
strange python
turbid galleon
Vanish when garrote runs out
fathom swift
when Garrote runs out
strange python
ok , i will try that , to vanish when garrot runs out
lone junco
shows a few k loss to go back to 1ss subterfuge, but its more flexible.
cobalt pelican
isn't subterfuge just
lone junco
actually thats funny. just a 90 dps loss to get subterfuge without 1ss
cobalt pelican
better for you
cobalt pelican
eh
strange python
nice for my hunter , honed mind
lone junco
got a 465 socket GCB. so thats going to be fun.
hollow talon
guess i wont have to pay for my sub for a bit with this lol
remote latch
@strange python, you're opener is good but yes don't waste your vanish too early, wait your garrot runs out, and i saw a lil mistake, envenom with 4-5 combots pts, never less
hollow talon
how much is that worth
strange python
@fathom swift @turbid galleon @remote latch wait garrot out may be like in 15 seconds
so what do i do in that 15 seconds if its the opener ?
cobalt pelican
press your builder and spender probably
strange python
i mean that EMP garrot , gets out in 15 seconds , and u said to wait vanish after that
fathom swift
Correct
turbid galleon
you do a few mutilates and a few envenoms
strange python
so i just go mutilate and envenom and rupture when i need till the EMP garrot get out of the way and than i do vanish and 2x garrot ??
fathom swift
Yes
strange python
but this thing is not in the opener guide... someone should put that
cobalt pelican
use an ounce of common sense
fathom swift
What do you mean it is in there
cobalt pelican
do you think you just take your hands off the keyboard till your garrote falls off
strange python
so the opener its like :
garr>rup>garr>vend>tb>envm>mut>envm>envm>mut>envm>rupture>evenom>vansh>2xgarr
i dont know , i tought there was like 2-3 sec or something when u said i wait for vanish
but 15 sec its a lot
cobalt pelican
well why would you v anish to put the dot up
that you just put up
3 seconds ago
fathom swift
Idk how you're casting env>rupture>env with 0 cp gain between
torpid linden
with subterfuge you have to delay your first vanish until the empowered garrote expires
strange python
ok , i understand that now , but i didnt udnerstand from the guide
remote latch
your garrot is still active for 15secondes, so why do you want to refresh it đ
strange python
i got it from you guys , because u are more experienced and i dont know shiet about ass rogue
i will do it again and see the results
remote latch
honnestly i think you understood the main thing, now you need to optimize hehe
strange python
@fathom swift @turbid galleon @remote latch
i did it again, not perfect but i waited for vanish
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/x9BdkLDF3yA8j6Rt/
https://vimeo.com/410423722
i have a feeling that u will say something about first evenom in the opener
i know that envenom should be used at 4-5 cp same with rupture 4-5cp , but i just followed the opener without doing that
fathom swift
You let garrote drop for a few seconds before vanishing and you wasted a bunch of combo points casting garrote twice at 5 combo points
strange python
wait what ? but the opener say that i should use garrot 2 times
fathom swift
Yes, you dont have to have 5 combo points already to cast it
And if you have 2 you can vanish, garrote, env or rup, garrote
jolly spoke
when is the time we swap from Subf to MA?
remote latch
much better but yes your ennemy need to keep garrot EVERYTIME, so i prefer you vanish like 3seconds before it runs out than let your ennemy without any garrot at all hehe
vast forum
when it sims higher @jolly spoke
strange python
yeah , i saw that mistake i didnt pay much attention on garrot and it got off and i pressed vanish to late , ok
jolly spoke
as of right now @vast forum im mainly Nothing personal /twist the knife orientated. i dont have SS or dd. 474 geared.
remote latch
and i think you should use your azerite talent right after you're toxic blade (because your vendetta add extra damage)
so, gar>rup>gar>vendetta>toxic blade>azerite talent>envm>mut>envm>mut...
remote latch
ok, i said that because that's what i do with blood ennemy, but if you say so
vast forum
there's a lot of stuff still to fix in that video you posted, like casting rupture as the first finisher in a TB window, using a 2cp envenom
strange python
yeah i saw that 2cp envenom , i was just thinking about the opener
fathom swift
Yeah you def dont cast clf that late
vast forum
best advice i can give you is to read the guide thoroughly, maybe check logs of high-ranking rogues
strange python
going like a robot with it , didnt care about the CP at all , i know what ur saying
vast forum
the opener (first 5 globals) was fine
remote latch
yeah much better
strange python
ok , i will do it again video and log , last one for today hahaha
how u like me now ? 
cobalt pelican
still a ton of mistakes
just follow it properly
vanish when garrote falls not when it enters pandemic, envenom between your garrotes if you're capped on cp and not out of energy
strange python
ok , the envenom between garrot i get , but the vanish when garrote falls , i dont get it
its counter to what people just told me
@remote latch take a look if you can and anyone that knows
cobalt pelican
you're making something that's very simple and laid out in the guide very clearly quite complicated
strange python
people said that i should not lose garrot , right ? and u told me i should vanish when garrote falls
cobalt pelican
it's in the guide
please
just
follow the guide
if you're playing shrouded
let your garrote expire
if you're not
you garrote in pandemic
strange python
my God... ok so i will let garrot expire and after i will vanish and garrot again
grim tangle
reapply garrote right as the first garrote expires
vanish right before it expires so you can garrote at the right time
but the bigger problem is you replaced your vanished garrote with a normal garrote with like 7 seconds left
strange python
ok , i will keep all this in mind.. damn its first time i do this opener and i find some of this things and its a bit hard to implement all
but i start to understand little by little
fathom swift
When i said you had no garrote up for a couple seconds i didnt mean refresh it super early, just as soon as it drops instead of 3s after
strange python
i will do my best to do it right based on all the infos you guys gave me and help
i dont even want to think about AOE opener right now :)))
strange python
U guys make assa seem like rocket science ngl just follow the guide and press the right buttons
chilly marsh
civic palm
Yes there's something weird going on with Coral, hold your butts.
hasty crater
So 3ss is the most important to have right now for m+ right ?
tiny sierra
sooo i got almost enough for 2 slots of gems what should i be gemming here? what do yall see as the least replaceable items here?
cobalt pelican
if you're not killing carapace mythic anytime soon a 475 dagger socket is fine
besides that like.. nothing is irreplaceable, you don't really possess corruption
raven mica
tfw that sims the same as my outlaw ST without stars
cobalt pelican
tbh i'd just recommend socketing the dagger and farming the mechagon ring set and socketing those probably
you don't need to equip both initially, you can just ge tthe from behind ring from junkyard and socket that and play it as a normal ring short term or something
hasty crater
So 3ss is the most important to have right now for m+ right ?
any1 has a quick answer?
cobalt pelican
yes probably
hasty crater
Kk ty!
tiny sierra
all the expedient pieces sim lower than my current gear
i tried a fuck ton of combinations
im wearing the highest ilvl
err highest dps gear i can
@raven mica
sour glade
Got my 2nd carapace dagger this evening and I was hyped. It let me down a bit immediately after on Nzoth though, lol. Think I'll just run one cara dagger and keep running stars 2 for that fight
I was hoping getting the 2nd one would let me not need to use stars and more but it's just too strong
dense falcon
Is BoTE a good major for raiding?
normal plover
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
crisp hollow
expedient 7 now god bless
fleet jacinth
can anyone check my logs? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/J3TQg7znbYAwBXkZ#fight=36&type=damage-done&source=10
46k dps on shad, simming at 52k
im sure some part of that is from not pre-potting, but 6k dps seems somewhere else
patent topaz
proc more starts
fleet jacinth
I always pandemic rupture under 8s and garrote under 5s, toxic blade on cd with >50 energy
patent topaz
uptimes and traits look ok
scent is pretty bad though
in the opener breath before vendetta and tb after vendetta
fleet jacinth
what before vendetta?
patent topaz
major essence
fleet jacinth
ok, i was using reaping after vendetta because 20% extra dmg
patent topaz
it doesnt benefit from vendetta
fleet jacinth
oh
fathom swift
The enchants you're using are very questionable
And yeah vendetta is whitelisted for the damage it buffs, only rogue spells and traits
fleet jacinth
just got a new dagger right before raid, no time to switch the second to stat enchant
latent field
Look at your damage breakdown and compare to your sim
fathom swift
I mean you're also using 30 stat ring enchants
latent field
You may have low rolled on infinite stars, thereâs a huge variance
fathom swift
Tidal surge almost certainly better than scent of blood on st too
latent field
Also you didnât pot
fleet jacinth
Yeah I completely forgot x.x
patent topaz
minor things, also damage variance means you wont hit your simdps on patchwerk
all the time
latent field
Sims include all buffs and pots and stuff, plus average infinite stars rolls
tall juniper
For the set rings, do you want the gain haste one or is the damage enemy good too?
fleet jacinth
so there's a pretty big variance in inf stars procs, huh
latent field
Itâs good for parsing since you have low lows but high highs
latent field
Iâve only seen exsang in super high ilvl haste builds that stack expedient this tier
patent topaz
yea, to be fair TB sims better for me even in my 40% haste set and 2x SS
fleet jacinth
exsang is v fun spec
feral rune
how strong is sin for pushing m+ compared to outlaw?
quasi pewter
worse but not by a huge amount
static glacier
safe to macro the on use wrists or naw?
since it doesn't seem to be affected by TB
fast pine
I'd say outlaw is overall better than assa for m+
static glacier
@feral rune major issue with sin is that you have to commit to excelling at either ST or AoE, since our traits aren't as generically useful as outlaw. in essence outlaw can be good at everything, sin struggles to do the same.
e.g echoing blades isn't useful ST, Nothing personal / Double dose don't really do much aoe.
ashen oriole
somehow subterfuge sims always higher, yet i see many people go with Master Assass. what could be the reason that for me it sims worse?
faint harness
subt sims higher for most of us with decent gear
balmy coral
Seen that question asked and answered a lot, Subt scale better than MA.
ashen oriole
Thanks
minor garden
kings rest on tyrannical week, it's not rly good having 3xEB and 3xSS right?
rather go with ST traits
perhaps with 1 EB and 1 SS ?
i would think assa ST traits vs outlaw would be better this week
i guess 3xSS is still the best though, but dont wanna have to respecc
arctic walrus
3 ss is always good but can drop to 1 eb
minor garden
yea but since i dont have pieces with SS and antoher ST trait without reforging i think ST traits will be almost as good
sterile ocean
Anyone have a razer coral weak aura that acshally has the counter showing?
i have one that suposed to show it but its not
scarlet sequoia
no
scarlet sequoia
dont recommend doing that either
scarlet sequoia
check the pins
autumn girder
Should I play VoP Major if it is simming better than blood or is it a trap?
scarlet sequoia
good on pure st fights
static glacier
how do I compare traits on a single piece in raidbots?
scarlet sequoia
top gear > click on all of them
static glacier
it demands another item selected though, do I just indulge it?
scarlet sequoia
shouldnt need to select another item u select different traits
but ye i guess u go do it
static glacier
static glacier
ah I figured it out
it won't take two pieces of the same name but differnt ilvl simmed against eachother it seems
got it simming anyhow
autumn girder
And on Nzoth mythic? saw that sometimes guys are playing with vop major
scarlet sequoia
rng logs
arctic harness
Is the 3x Nothing Personal + VoP build better than Double Dose stacking?
scarlet sequoia
if youre progressing vision major is definitely not the move on nzoth
dont want inconsistent dmg and different timers
depends on your gear + corruptions @arctic harness
arctic harness
Been playing outlaw mostly, but kinda wanna go with assa for a bit
Have most corruptions on a couple of good pieces
But it's kinda hard to just throw everything in the sim at once haha
So need some rough guidelines
scarlet sequoia
sim the different builds then and compare the sims
arctic harness
Yeah that goes to millions of iterations real fast
scarlet sequoia
premium definitely worth bro
pseudo hamlet
How many iterations you get with premium anyway?
scarlet sequoia
epic 1 is 16 mil
arctic harness
I have the 5 dollar tier and you get 5.5
strange python
you could take a look here and see what could be useful to get you an idea what to sim: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/24#boss=2335&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination
pseudo hamlet
Is premium restricted to yours account only or you can play with other players sims aswell?
strange python
the latter
doesnt matter where the sim comes from, the simming itself is what uses your acc
pseudo hamlet
Thanks
haughty flame
morning all, can some1 please give me some advice, im confused how subt would be better over MA
tacit steppe
Subt scales better, more stats you get the less valuable the crit from MA becomes
Is the short version
haughty flame
hmm
tacit steppe
And because it sims better?
haughty flame
why do the higher logs all play MA, is it because they would stack more haste?
tacit steppe
probably because they play what they know. Just because someone had a good log doesnât mean it couldnât have been better. Could have been lucky IS procs or whatever. And they could have potentially done more if they were using subt.
But itâs totally dependent on each individual character because thereâs not a lot of people that have the same exact stats/corruptions/ corruptions that scale with ilvl etc
crimson palm
VoP major isn't that bad on N'zoth
Like if you get good procs It speeds things up but you still can make the timings work
And you can get 2 extra vendettas out
scarlet sequoia
would never play it on progress
crimson palm
I tried it yesterday because I hated the exsanguinate timing on Psychus, it seemed ok
but i'll probably go back to standard
deft obsidian
Just progressing N'zoth currently. Running 3x DD but thinking is it worth swapping to 3x SS (albeit I have to drop to 465 azerite to achieve the 3rd đŚ ) I'm perma on tentacle duty so won't be down slamming
fringe bear
hey guys, just recently come back to my rogue past couple weeks, hadn't played it since 8.1, was my main for like 14 years, just getting back into the swing of things, reading up etc, everything says to go crit/haste, but my mastery is always simming highest, am i missing something?
tropic ocean
nope
Stat weights are all over the place due to corruption
they change a lot especially with gear/cortuption changes
warm parcel
And the crit haste is because those are what assa generally needs as a base
at this point weve access to so many secondaries
and assa doesnt do any dmg on tentacles anyway on nozoth
youre there to dps boss
fringe bear
sweet, cheers lads
warm parcel
and if youre not down, you can focus on the two burst windows before later phase starts
deft obsidian
@warm parcel assuming i'll be better running DDx3 if focusing bashers/n'zoth.
warm parcel
well least not ss
raven mica
If ur tentacle bitch might as well swap to outlaw
warm parcel
strong disagree
assa can still carry its weight at boss dps
if you really just focus on it
raven mica
Problem is that why is he up top then
Should have another class go up top and he go down to tychus
warm parcel
no
I didnt go down
And our other rogue that did, didnt ven it
we just blasted boss
deft obsidian
We don't need the dps down on psychus hence me staying top
warm parcel
What I did upstairs just clowning tentacles and blasting boss:
stacking coral on boss while killing tenties
then the usual bote ven on boss during the 2 windows
could get some p good burst windows
And if you have 3 np its even better
deft obsidian
I'm normally 1st/2nd on Nzoth damage (holding trinket/ven/bote) but we've only just reached 2nd burn window
Just was curious if worth running something different for tendies but yeah i'll just stick as DDx3 for now.
raven mica
Is maut helm better for the triple NP vop build?
Or is there a better helm than it, cuz with raden ur stuck with DD or SS
limber dew
@scarlet sequoia the pins seem a bit dated and the only coral bit i can see is also discussing the use of font.
deft obsidian
Running Maut just to get 1x NP. But I don't have a mythic ra'den đŚ
strange python
!coral
prisma monolithBOT
The way to use coral in M+ is using it on your priority target,
and then whenever that target dies, reapply it to your next target.
Whenever your target dies it gives you the crit it would give from using it,
so consuming the stacks for crit mid pack is generally suboptimal.
strange python
eh
warm parcel
Going with the generic what ever sims best on nozoth aint bad
limber dew
i need the ST coral usage mechanic
warm parcel
I just really liked the 3np when I saw chinese do it early on
limber dew
like do i delay the use of vendetta on the pull etc
or just delay the cds when they are cloesr to aligning on 1.5, 3, 4.5, 6. and using vanish on the 3 and 6 alignments?
warm parcel
Ive gibbering maw, pauldrons of great convergence and fleshbeast cuirass
raven mica
Ok so you have raden helm on
warm parcel
the 3np vop minor on nozoth is really to maximise first 2 windows and to get an extra ven at the end
but dd works just fine
raven mica
idk why Iâm asking these questions when Iâm playing outlaw on that fight anyways
warm parcel
heresy
raven mica
đ´ââ ď¸ 
tropic ocean
@limber dew always with vendetta its in the pins
azure pewter
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > vers => mastery > haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
tropic ocean
How to use Razer Coral?
- For Assa, apply it as soon as possible and consume stacks with each Vendetta, reapply after.
shut thistle
which azerite powers should I pick for Tortured Fleshbeast Cuirass ?
red bloom
is there anything gear wise I can do to push my dmg up? been simming 82+k now for a few weeks but now theres dudes in my raid simming 98k+ and Im feeling left out
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ivymRrSAt44LarEtvtoNkC
warm parcel
theyre not rogues
raven mica
Theyâre DHs, BM hunters, and fire mages
red bloom
yeah true, big feelsbadman
to be fair though, Im quite happy enough i can sim for that under 40 corruption without stars =p
warm parcel
83k 0 corr club
red bloom
thats a club I'd like to join XD
shut thistle
i dont exactly know which azerite armors should i get for single target. Have any idea?
warm parcel
what ever sims ywell
limber dew
@tropic ocean so on the pull i jsut use it
then moving forward consume on the vendettas
faint harness
I get beaten in sims by other peoples alts at this point, and my sin sims arent even that low. Just rogue stuff
patent topaz
I get beaten by my own alt 
royal lantern
you probs sim more dps with disc priest at this point 
rose breach
hey guys quick question đ does two "Nothing Personal" stacks or should i take only one of those?
rose breach
nice, thanks a lot!
shut thistle
i couldnt understand of sims when choosing my bis gear for single target :/
tropic ocean
@limber dew yea
red bloom
@shut thistle Select the traits in the gear you have on raidbots, and have that decide for you whats bis for you
shut thistle
Pauldrons of the Great Convergence or Gorak Tul's Mantle would be better?
mossy pawn
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
red bloom
Gorak Tul's are a solid choice
cobalt pelican
they're pretty interchangable i think, but i'd always play nzoth if so cause bbi is just like ta in trait form
on mythic
bleak spoke
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3zqXgfMGg4PeFQ8TckiV3W man this game is awful
Give me stat corruptions
scarlet sequoia
thinks t3 475 IS is good
warm parcel
lean marten
ur right its only BIS outside of m+ total dogshit
warm parcel
scarlet sequoia
rigid mango
IS is good on irrelevant bosses and aight on nzoth purely based on fight length
It's really nothing I want
Nor something most people playing assa rogue should
polar cape
I like star to pad on useless boss
faint harness
Imagine imagining
mighty moss
heyo guys
polar cape
I feed my IS with expediant and gallecaller actually more consistent then tendies #feelcrafting
bleak spoke
I have a bunch of pieces but it sims not great
faint harness
ur the first one
strange python
the messiah
bleak spoke
I got them early in the tier and wore them to fill corruption gap and they did just about as well as predicted
frigid musk
Which essences are good for raiding on assa ?
faint harness
Condensed lifeforce, blood of the enemy, breath of the dying, vision of perfection (memes)
faint harness
crit/haste always a safe bet. But every player in this game that cares about dps sims themselves on raidbots.com and dont listen to other ppl, you should too.
spring topaz
I like playing around with 45% crit 20%haste 40% mastery.
mighty moss
But lets say for like wich azerite traits sync best with wich stats
scarlet sequoia
not trying to be rude here
bleak spoke
on st there are very few setups haste and crit aren't good for
scarlet sequoia
but wtf are u asking
faint harness
Theres no specific stat points you want to go for, you take your character and sim it with every single stat.
bleak spoke
but just sim
scarlet sequoia
u just sim urself
bleak spoke
if you care enough to ask these questions you should probably sim
faint harness
Its not some magic 8ball thing