But others sre fine too
#assassination
orchid solstice
How many stacks do you vendetta psycus
And with current gear etc are people still doing 8 stacks total or is it less now
rigid mango
Uhhh, I used to vendetta when it hit like 7 ish? The fight is really around timers
So you use it so it times out just as it dies
That's all that matters
orchid solstice
Ah okay 👌🏻
rigid mango
But I don't use on psychus anymore and go full boss dmg so
Should be uhh
2:10 into fight give or take iirc
Or whatever it is
crimson palm
Looking from existing logs, people use it as soon as lust is casted
rigid mango
Cuz u lust at uhhh 2:30? So maybe 2:20
drifting cloud
nah you lust earlier
rigid mango
I can't remember by heart, honestly
crimson palm
Would depend on tentacle kill timer though
drifting cloud
at 2:30 psychus has to die
orchid solstice
You want to BL like 2:15 to get the 15 secs on psycus + 25 secs uptime on Nzoth ye?
If so I’ll try line vend up with that
orchid solstice
Thank you x
static glacier
boys need clarification on vanish usage ST /w Shrouded Suffocation + Sub and Vision of perf / BotE
do you just use it on cd so it lines up with Ven + BotE every 3rd cast?
rigid mango
In what context, m+?
static glacier
let's say any ST fight that goes to 5 mins
rigid mango
Really counter intuitive build outside of m+.
rigid mango
Just, don't use vop?
static glacier
8.2*
and mainly doing dungeons so far, just wondering how it goes if I do get into some pug raids
rigid mango
You don't play vop in raids w SS
static glacier
it's temporary zine, my gear is actual ass
im just trying to figure out what to do for now
until I can fix it
rigid mango
In m+ you just use vanish on trash and have it up for 2nd vend and you essentially get 2 openers, not really optimising for fights that go to 3rd vend
Just, use somethign else than vop
You must have iris or strife
Or even PP, tbh
crimson palm
what do you do with exsang in a situation like this?
rigid mango
That's the time left on your bleeds or?
crimson palm
Yeah
rigid mango
Reapply them and exsang?
rigid mango
crimson palm
So I don't worry about having exsang on full duration rupture?
orchid solstice
Mutilate garrotte (get 4-5 cp) use rupture, use exanguinate
rigid mango
I mean you prefer it but it's not like it's a HARD require
@scarlet sequoia what timers on ur bleeds do ur reapply before exsang
scarlet sequoia
didnt u ask me about this yesterday @crimson palm
rigid mango
Ye I swear I read this yday
crimson palm
it was a diff question
scarlet sequoia
well same thing
orchid solstice
Why do you use exanguinate?
scarlet sequoia
if less than 25 sec left on rupture i reapply
but thats just me
i could be wrong idk
rigid mango
Because exsang is good w giga haste builds
Or because you're like me and giga bored of tb
:^)
crimson palm
Yeah but here I'd have to apply, delay exsang, wait out <25s and re-apply again
crimson palm
Hmm I guess I didn't think of it because I got a 6 cp rupture
Ye
@orchid solstice It's outsimming tb
orchid solstice
How much haste you guys run to make the most out of DS + exsanguinate
orchid solstice
Cool! Im pretty low haste right now as it doesn’t aim great for Vigor TB build
crimson palm
I still wish I stayed with the old tb build, this seems a bit more complex
But difference is 3-4k dps atm 😦
fleet anchor
You don't need full duration Rupture to Exsang
Technically speaking you can definitely Exsang as long as both have been recently refreshed. I've tested a few various cast logic changes that test both Garrote+Rupture duration instead of just Rupture
And as a rough rule of thumb you're generally going to be fine as long as you have >~75% of the max duration of both put together
But I'm still working on the exact numbers since it's gear-dependent
crimson palm
So let's say <75% it's okay to refresh outside pandemic?
That'd be around raz's number 25s
(for rupture that is)
fleet anchor
Like currently the APL does it after a refresh ( !dot.garrote.refreshable&dot.rupture.remains>4+4*cp_max_spend )
As long as Garrote is not in pandemic
But, logically-speaking, since this allows for Max Rupture + say.. 35% Garrote duration
If you have say 80% Garrote + 80% Rupture it's usually fine too
I'm just working on the exact numbers, but that general logic seems to hold as being pretty neutral
crimson palm
Alright
fleet anchor
I'd say aiming for the Rupture refresh window is fine as a general case though
I'm still trying to figure out a good way to express this logic that accounts for SS correctly without being a mess to read
But I'd like to get Exsang using Garrote+Rupture duration logic instead of JUST Rupture soon
You could test it with your gear to see how it looks, just replace the exsang line with something like this:
actions.cds+=/exsanguinate,if=(dot.garrote.remains+dot.rupture.remains)>(18+4*(cp_max_spend+1))*1.3*0.8
For some builds it's more like 0.75 and others 0.85
So trying to figure that out before I make a "real" APL change for it
lean marten
if you can't perform the build well and don't want to, just play your other one
edgy pawn
do the m+ guys in here think there is an "enough" amount of crit in m+?
i'm at 42 percent baseline right now
drifting cloud
in previous season people would try to get more mastery after 40 I think, but its probably not a big deal
sour glade
What major essence do people like running in m+? If I use blood I end up running VoP minor to sync them on bosses or prio targets, but it never feels great. I've tried breath but so far I haven't been great at using it effectively while worrying about my rogue stuff. Been thinking about just running Iris.
sour glade
Maybe on tyrannical or higher keys than I'm doing, but at 16-17 keys bosses only last about 90 seconds anyway. It's more I don't really like using blood on trash packs and just spamming 5x FoK.
tropic ocean
not on tyrannical no
but it also frees you to use vendetta more frequently on trash
to kill hard mobs like honor guard or confessor
or in this week its especially good to trim the high hp mobs
like commander in sob
e.g.
or crusher
sour glade
Yeah true. I guess I do like having at least 2of my CDs on the same cooldown. Instead of blood FoK spam maybe I'll just start using blood with vendetta on trash as more of a fire mage mob eraser style.
tropic ocean
when focusing prio mobu basically build iwth fok
and finish with envenom into prio
its same play style except
instead of fok fok fok fok
u do fok env fok env
kind vault
is blindside generally a "good" talent? i used it a lot while leveling but i feel like it hasnt been helping with my damage that much recently...
patent topaz
its worthless
kind vault
ok thx for confirming my suspicions lol, i think ill replace it with master poisoner
sour glade
Master poison for PvP. Elaborate for pve
woven bane
if you have subterfuge without SS do you use 2x garrot during opener for max uptime or not
vast forum
@static glacier he asked without ss
strange python
Idk, only been in for one night but on pull seemed kinda awkward for me
Shit just dies insta
Used on some Basher 38secs into the Fights, then on First Nzoth burn, then on 2nd psychus
Well, I would've used on psychus If I didn't die to contempt
@quasi pewter are u the saryero who is playing the vop major build? If so when do u opt for it? Do u also use it on progress?
Or were u would fit more since u are 12/12
arctic walrus
He didn't play it on prog and would only recommend it for long-term farm content
It's only really heavily worthwhile if you have azertie from last 2 bosses
strange python
Rip me i guess vop majoe sims like 1.5k higher for me but i guess ill go back to bote
Ty vel (:
strange python
I shouldnt try rng tbh since im unlucky
quasi pewter
as vel said i would never recommend it for progress
only for single target fights really
strange python
Aight tyvm
Looking at some logs on mobile: the only melee I ever see on 2nd psychus is DH.
We really struggled with contempt damage on our 1 night there on some Melees including me. Wouldn't it make sense to simply move most ranged there to minimize that? And maybe a DH because they survive with Leech.
Or is leeching poison enough to kinda Deal with it instead of elusiveness? Havent tested it yet
rigid mango
Awful to go 2nd as melee
strange python
Ye, that makes sense to me
Idk, got 3 Melees assigned there
I thought maybe healers still need to figure Shit out and then we Stop dying to that Shit
Gonna Talk to the RL about it
rigid mango
Is your melee giga melee heavy or
strange python
Nope
We could Switch around
Got 3 melee on 2nd psychus, and 3 ranged on First
So could just swap that
faint harness
i was meant to go 2nd psychus, but realized it wasnt going to work
so i ended up not going into any psychus 🙂
cus melee heavy,
swapped in a DH instead of me
cobalt pelican
even dhs have a rough time i think
like they usually netherwalk the gate and then have meta leech and it's still rough
strange python
I mean, If you need to have a melee there I guess DH still has it the easiest.
But why meeeeee
I just fall over
cobalt pelican
dh never really complained about it, just something i noticed when looking through it
fleet anchor
I'm on Mind Gate 2 FWIW but yeah the damage does suck
You can try Shadowstepping during Arrows probably if there are survivability problems
But yeah generally MG2 will be ranged heavy
sour wraith
why are a lot of rogues running vop minor on raden mythic? does it help with timers or is it just cuz it sims best for them?
hidden bay
fading walrus
so for raiding, after i got vita sim wants me to switch everything to haste
i was wondering is there % where its enough haste
rancid bobcat
you have infinite stars so it will probably always favor haste
stray folio
If using Lustrous Golden Plumage would u hold Vendetta to line up with trinket ?
fading walrus
I kinda don’t wana use pulse rank1
I’m thinking of swapping the rings enchants to haste
rancid bobcat
since its a 2 min cd yes you always line it up
fading walrus
And any piece that I use only in raids, socket with haste
But my question is let’s say I do try it out
I’d be on 36% haste and abt 33 % crit
Is there a limit for the haste as a rogue taking in consideration the haste procs from stuff
fading wigeon
How do you sim assassination for m+?
I feel like I read Dslice is no good for assasination
lost horizon
sim MT patchwerk
alongside ST patchwerk
remove hero and stuff
and take it all with a grain of salt
raw dagger
How strong is the Raden trinket set bonus?
keen dome
Less strong than coral
lost horizon
Vita is good on its own
whole mantle
guys, i was running with minflay 3 + 2.
after i put another lvl 1 i am thinking it is proc less.
has something to do or is just thing of my mind?
fathom swift
it's just high variance
wicked elk
does shadowmeld proc subterfuge?
shy dust
No but it procs SS
fading walrus
Any1 here’s playing full haste in raids
dim yacht
would it be worth using formless void on someone with blood?
since it lasts for 15 seconds if you use formless
molten mesa
you have access to it for 15 seconds
molten mesa
nope
dim yacht
damn
devout shadow
Hello! I was wondering if I could get some help regarding my performance in raids. We're currently progressing Xanesh. For reference my quick sims are (https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gBr9uy1L44cGd6yS9iR4KU for <= 59 corr) and (https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7LmYrNDnktYWv4QpMSZpHi for <= 39 corr). My simc string is
simc string
I am currently trying to upgrade my daggers to the carapace HC ones, killing and coining carapace every week, as well as killing mythic wrathion every week. I use my other coin on EP Behemoth as I need the folly for my outlaw spec but i might use the 2nd coin on HC carapace as well given we already killed Hivemind.
Regarding essences, I am trying to farm memory of lucid dreams to r2 and then r3.
My warcraftlogs profile is: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/defias-brotherhood/gattral
edgy pawn
have you simmed sockets? seems strange socketing haste with +%crit
devout shadow
I will do that now, you are probably correct there. I've simmed everything but sockets so far.
I just recently downloaded the HeroRotation addon as i wasnt using it before. It pretty much just changed me to use envenoms on 4/5CP (I was being inefficient and only using envenom on 5CP). My opener rn is stealth->garrote->garrote(w/coral)->mutilate->rupture->toxic blade->BotE->Vendetta (w/ blood fury)->dump muti/env on 4/5CP->normal rotation
edgy pawn
just now seeing your essences, you really really really need lucid dreams
devout shadow
I don't know if there's anything else i'm missing but I feel like i'm simming very low. Some of my logs are bad as i've died in the past wrathion/maut kills due to silly mistakes
edgy pawn
bis for all specs and all situations
devout shadow
yeah i've been lazy with that as i'm a returning player but that as well as new daggers are my priority rn
devout shadow
no, this is my main. I need to farm the buddy nazjatar stuff
edgy pawn
conflict and strife is also really good
and i think on xanesh you can go for 59 corruption
devout shadow
what should my essences look like then? i use BotE major, BotD minor, iris minor and visions of perfection minor. I really like visions since it lets me sync up vendetta/bote cds. I would probably switch iris for memory r3 but i dont think r2 conflict and strife is better?
I'm also a bit scared to go 59 corruption on xanesh tbh just since we're progressing but once we get more comfortable with the fight i might go ahead.
(thanks for all the help you're giving me rn btw)
edgy pawn
there really isnt that much damage your taking on xanesh
but that's up to you ofc
vop minor depends on your killtimer, but it's not that great since it desyncs vendetta and vanish
blood major is great, botd as well
lucid r3 will always be bis
id simm blood major, lucid minor and botd minor
and than vop/iris/c&S
devout shadow
so vanish and vendetta synced is more important than vendetta and bote?
i got 5.5m combinations on raidbot so i can sim quite a few essence combinations
edgy pawn
vop really only works well if it nets you another vendetta cast you wouldnt have gotten without it
try to figure out how long itll take you to kill her and sim that fight lenght
we killed her in 5:10
looking at your logs, your making some rotational mistakes
should probably have a look at some logs
some guides i mean
devout shadow
which specific mistakes am i making?
try not to look at the xanesh ones as i know im making a bunch of rotational mistakes there since i'm focusing on getting mechanics down
edgy pawn
your opener is very wrong
devout shadow
as im both part of the interrupt rotation and the 1st football game
prisma monolithBOT
edgy pawn
the openers are in the rh guide
devout shadow
so the one thing i see i'm doing wrong is using garrote twice
and before i was using envenom only on 5cp now on 4
what else am i doing wrong?
edgy pawn
No Shrouded Suffocation powers for Toxic Blade
Garrote
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Rupture
Vendetta
Mutilate
Toxic Blade
Mutilate if less than 4 combo points
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
Vanish when Garrote hits 5.4 seconds or less when talented into subterfuge
thats how your opener should look like
devout shadow
i see i also used toxic blade before that 1st mutilate after vendetta
edgy pawn
you go garrote -> mutilate to 4/5 cp -> rupture -> vendetta -> mutilate -> tb -> blood -> env
stuff like that is also bad, you need to pump envemons into your tb target
at least 2, ideally 3
try to setup your dots so that you dont have to refresh them during your tb window
always go vendetta - tb - blood
hazy geyser
isnt it better to go vendetta blood tb since you dont waste a GCD on abilities that dont benefit from tb and tb crit is pretty nice
edgy pawn
you wanna pump envemons while blood/vendetta/tb are active
hazy geyser
yeah you would do garrote mutilate rupture mutilate vendetta blood toxic env mutil. ...
or mutilate rupture mutilate garrote whatever the opener is then go into vendetta with 2 3 combo points
edgy pawn
with tb-blood-env-mut-env-mut-env you get 3 envemons inside the +crit damage window
given the muts crit
scarlet sequoia
no
edgy pawn
no what? 😄
scarlet sequoia
no you don’t
arctic walrus
you tb blood
devout shadow
sorry i was helpnig a friend with a key
ty for the help
ahhhh
that helps so much
i was doing blood first
so just garrote, muti, rupture, muti, vendetta, tb, blood, env -> pump muti/env
regardless of combo points for 1st rupture?
then after burst window refresh rupture with 5cp?
and i'm simming about 100dps higher with subterfuge over MA so i guess always use the one i sim higher with? at one point i was simming slightly higher with MA but i'm playing with 240ping now cause i had to go somewhere else in the world so in execution subterfuge is probably better for me even if MA sims slightly higher at soem point?
also in this sim visions major sims 500dps higher than blood major and it doesnt even tell me to use blood minor, should i do that in that case or is there a flaw with the sim in this case?
void pecan
Something something sims don't do bote right, but it's actually the best major
devout shadow
ok i figured as much, was just scared it didnt even list it on minor
scarlet sequoia
eeeeeeh bote isnt always the best major. prolly play vision major on a couple of bosses if it sims that much higher @devout shadow but in general vision major isnt great on most bosses
winged whale
What is the azerite trait bis goal? Is it triple DD NP?
vestal wren
!azerite
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Azerite overview: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o
vast forum
@edgy pawn you only get 4 globals of bonus crit dmg from blood
slow heath
hey all torn between using 3 SS, 3 EB for dungeons ( 1 480, 2 465) or 2 SS, 3 EB, 1 TtK ( 480- SS EB, 480 TtK EB, 465 SS EB) doing keys around 15-19 range. mainly looking for some solid opinions , sims are showing mixed results.
woven bane
why does subterfuge sim higher than MA is it worth to pick it then even when playing with boe? i saw some rogues on warcraftlogs running it but im not sure
slow heath
MA doesnt get used ideally in sims so it likes to come out low, subter is likely stronger if you have SS but if you dont then MA will pull ahead as long as you use it properly
strange python
Wrong
Even if u dont have SS it can pull ahead
If it sims higher use it
Its not even hard to use u just garrote out of stealth then reapply with vanish in vendetta within pandemic range* after that u use it on cd
With vanish
woven bane
but then when do you use BoE if not for the tb vanish env also do you use 2x garrot after vanish for more uptime or not
strange python
No
U use it once and keep going with ur normal rotation
Atleast thats how it is in the apl
woven bane
so you also play the normal rota with BoE like you would if MA talented just without the vanish part
strange python
Yes
woven bane
aight thanks one other thing if you play with the guardian essence when exactly do you use it
strange python
Im not familiar with guardian somebody else has to answer dont wanna spread bullshit
woven bane
well then can you tell me how can i watch the casted abilities sequence on warcraftlogs so i can look into it myself 😄
strange python
U can either copy the warcraftlogs link to wowanalyzer and watch the timeline (not sure how u do it on warcraftlogs)
Or u can press replay top right and watch the whole fight if u vlick on that rogues icon / name
woven bane
thank you
dark niche
with master assasin for burst, would it be tb blood vanish env?
after first part of muti, rupture garrote and vendetta
rigid mango
Yes
keen dome
I think that is correct, you have 3 gcd to max out
rigid mango
The opener guide in the pins is still correct
(for ma)
I've been too lazy to add shit for no-ss subt openers.
rigid mango
It is(?)
dark niche
Master Assassin talented
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Rupture
Mutilate if still in master assassin window
Garrote
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Vendetta
Toxic Blade
Vanish
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
or am i looking at the wrong place/opener
rigid mango
drifting cosmos
why is poison bomb sim higher than CT in dungou slice? dont really understand that
rigid mango
It's boss centric.
drifting cosmos
so in sims it assumes 100% uptime when it procs? i mean mobs stand there
rigid mango
Yeah
drifting cosmos
i see, thanks
rigid mango
Most of the time that should happen anywyas
drifting cosmos
i mean i tried ct in dgns like kr, still seems better than pb
but thats just feelcraft and maybe pad dmg
rigid mango
I don't use CT anywhere anymore tbf, but I also barely do keys anymore.
I would never use it there though.
drifting cosmos
yea it was like "oh shit i forgot to change talent" when we started so i just go along cos not a serious key anyway
rigid mango
I would never use it in siege/kr/ws
drifting cosmos
and i think these days if you have big TD, any spec can do big aoe dmg
rigid mango
Everything else it's good.
flint gorge
hi everyone im a returning player looking for some pointers
if anyone would be willing to vc and help me out that be swanky
fleet anchor
@slow heath
MA doesnt get used ideally in sims so it likes to come out low
I think you're gonna have to expand on that if you think something is wrong there. But I can assure you that MA has been pretty well-tested in the APL for quite some time.
The reason Subterfuge is pulling ahead is that it's just better and we have more crit than we did last tier so MA's relative value is reduced.
Anything that gives a static amount of something is likely to be reduced in value over time as our base increases.
Subterfuge is also simming better than last tier because of some findings about how to sequence it better in some cases which have led to gains in the usage. I spent about 4 hours on an airplane optimizing the Subterfuge APL last month and it has definitely found some less obvious improvements. 😉
lost beacon
yo can anyone help me?
bis stats on wrists or bis corruption?
what values more stats or corruption proc
cobalt pelican
huh
you'd have to be a little more specific, generally corruption is much more valuable than stats but that depends on if you're already at your corruption cap, what they are etc
lost beacon
for example i have this
but i also have 440 wrists that give haste crit but a worse corruption proc
cobalt pelican
what is the worse corruption proc
lost beacon
void ritual
cobalt pelican
void ritual is probably better than twisted appendage at 440 itemlevel
lost beacon
alright thanks
cobalt pelican
but this really is a question you can sim
lost beacon
oh oke
prisma monolithBOT
abstract shuttle
How much overall DPS is a good Average for M+ with 460 iLvL ? I did 45k
feral rune
vast forum
ilvl is by far the least impactful metric you can look at when looking at overall dps
corruption/key lvl/pullsize/dungeon/azerite/weapons have a generally higher impact
sour glade
Overall in keys depends on affix dungeon and pull size way too much to try to aim for a number in all situations. For 460 gear you should prob be able to do around 50k as a floor though.
I'm 468 with no TD and I'm typically about 60k overall this week since we can't pull too big around bolster usually. With a TD3 I'd look for 70-75k
Compared to braindead melee like fury/havoc or even really outlaw you have to work pretty hard though for your aoe.
To get close to what I do on my fury with WW every 3rd gcd and spam I have to triple garr into CT fan rup and then also utilize vend and TB on a Target
vast forum
are you saying fok-rup is big brain aoe play?
vast forum
having a 1-button rotation on big pulls is also hard
fleet whale
Most AoE rotations for every class in this game are very easy
royal lantern
there are pretty much 3 kinds of aoe in this game
passive cleave aoe aka fury/dh
dot and cry cus it takes ages too do dmg
and spamm 1 button until the pack is small enough too make other buttons worth ussing again
fleet whale
there is also the 4th level of aoe, the meme beam
sour glade
Okay so to do 200k DPS on an aoe pack I have to g g g CT FoK rup vend tb fan for combos and envenom .
On fury warrior I do that by hitting whirlwind every 3rd gcd and hitting ramp and bt in either order on the others, lmao.
It's not complicated, but it's absolutely more work. Not mutually exclusive.
fleet anchor
I enjoy the fact that so many people talk about like Outlaw for example "lol just Blade Flurry damage, so EZ in AoE" when Outlaw has to do their entire normal rotation to do AoE damage..
Then BM Hunters or whatever basically just mash Multi-Shot with Barbed Shot on CD for AoE 🤣
Assassination is somewhere in the middle but depends on what setup you have.
royal lantern
putting out 4 bleeds and spam FoK is 0 effort mate
sour glade
DH does it by hitting only eye beam dance and fel dev, lmao
royal lantern
idk why you would even use vendeta or tb if you just wanna do big aoe
fleet anchor
Some people will have issue multi-dotting as Assassination just because they have a hard time tabbing around or don't have good mouseovers set up
Multi-dot in general is a skill that takes some practice
sour glade
Uhh, if all you do is fan and CT/rup you're going to do like maybe 100k to 5 targets
Baby dps
fleet anchor
But once you get it, it is not too bad
Assassination and Outlaw are both above-average complexity for AoE rotations imo though
Compared to a lot of specs
Not that it is insane or anything, but a lot of specs become 1.5 button specs in AoE
fleet anchor
And any spec that has to tab around/mouseover has it harder than specs that don't just by default
Just because of UI overhead
crimson palm
well garrote would be festering
faint harness
4 dots and spamming fok
crimson palm
fok epidemic
CT can be death & decay
and you spam between epidemic and scourge strike
crimson palm
btw I've a question about 3SS vanish garrote re-application, should I wait until 0 to re-apply 2x garrotes on target or vanish during pandemic?
feral creek
Erm why do u guys cry me a river? Just play what u prefer?
crimson palm
because if I wait it out I get 23 + 23 duration on EMP garrote
faint harness
BM hunter is ridiculous
also survival hunter aoe is very complicated if you play latent poison
have to tab target blow up 10 stacked poison stacks
tardy nimbus
someone help me out please
fleet anchor
But yes, what I would recommend for M+ with Assassination would be:
tardy nimbus
is there any way to avoid Grease Gun dmg from the jockey's in ML
fleet anchor
- Do some practice on the grouped dummies for tabbing around for an extended period so you get a good feel for it
- Setup Clique/mouseovers for your bleeds and practice using them
It will be a lot less overwhelming once you practice it and get a good setup
It just takes time to get used to
tardy nimbus
Does it hit the closest target? Is it a frontal just stupid mechanic
feral creek
Am i wrong or isnt it 4 rupture then spamming fan to get max dmg in heavy packs?
fleet anchor
Spamming is only really worth it past 6 targets iirc
Depending on your EB trait count too (2x vs 3x makes quite a big difference)
feral creek
Ill play 3x eb 3x ss
royal lantern
there are multiple things you can do in packs except fok spamming that actually help
feral creek
Whats the difference between 2x eb and 3x eb? The amount of targets needed to spam?
royal lantern
put your bleeds on actually priority targets instead of random,on this week let your bleeds on low hp enemys drop of and apply on high hp enemys too not bolster by accident etc....
fleet anchor
I don't think it's worth spamming with 2x EB until you get to 10+ but I would need to check again
surreal bolt
I mean dh aoe is just their st rotation
fleet anchor
It was a while since I looked at it
royal lantern
there is stuff you can do beyond "me big numbaaars"
fleet anchor
You also have to be careful you don't tunnel vision too much
And let your DoTs fall off and then run out of energy
royal lantern
btw, i would like if they maybe replace hiddenblades with echoing blades in sl
but a man can only dream
fleet anchor
Pulls can definitely go long enough that is a problem
In higher keys
Then your DPS will plummet because you don't have enough energy to build CP/apply Ruptures
And get stuck in a negative feedback loop
You have to be a little proactive about that on longer pulls and make sure you are prepared for when your triple garrote falls off
lost horizon
@tardy nimbus grease gun is unavoidable, can't pull a lot with jockeys cause they clap
fleet anchor
Haste is gonna have limited value with your setup
You are running TA6 that doesn't scale from haste at all
sterile ocean
oh i know but i thought everyone needed it
fleet anchor
Vita is pretty strong in general as long as you are getting value from it
But given your Corruption setup it's not hard to see how Vers could be better in this particular situation
sterile ocean
ah true
cobalt pelican
did you mean to sim dungeon slice
because it just looks like raid gear with a raid question
fleet anchor
Also your base Vers is really low
sterile ocean
i was simming for raid
fleet anchor
Secondary ratings can have funny values if you are really low in the values, due to the ratings curve
More crazy to me is the fact that a 445 Dice is basically the same as a 470 Alchemist Stone. RIP Alchemist Stones in BfA 😛
vestal wren
its usually only worth to spam fok (and maintain some bleeds for energy regeneration) if you have 3 EB traits
crit can def. lower the trashhold there but overall 3x and high target counts is the best way
fleet anchor
Then again I would say @sterile ocean
If it's only a 0.5% difference
Vita does give a notable benefit to your group
vestal wren
just keep in mind that spamming fok actually means you reduce your entire damage to aoe
fleet anchor
So probably really better tbh
sterile ocean
ah ok
sterile ocean
yeah true
fleet anchor
Since that's only like a 400 DPS difference for you
sterile ocean
i was confused i thought they changed something
fleet anchor
With average scale factors and uptime
Vita group proc is probably worth around 2k DPS
flint gorge
anyone on wana talk in general im bored af
quasi pewter
i would assume for a patchwerk sim vita would sim higher
and as koji said the grp buff is very strong
fleet anchor
ST
They are still very close, Stone is only -0.3%
But anyway, probably would run Vita in any case
sterile ocean
yeah
i just thought something messed up or something lol
but it was simming in dungenslice for some reason lol
flint gorge
i dont know what to put for my armour
hidden gazelle
is assaination only good in raiding scenarios or is it also good in duegeons?
wondering if i should bring outlaw in mythic duegeons instead
vast forum
assa can compete with outlaw in m+ but outlaw has slightly more utility
drowsy chasm
assa needs EB and/or SS to be competitive right?
i find it hard to get in m+ without those traits that are so powerful and they don't appear in raid gear
flint gorge
what rouge is good for pvp tyhen im assuming all are pretty good
vast forum
outlaw is bad
flint gorge
oh ok
vast forum
SS appears a lot on raid gear @drowsy chasm
flint gorge
well im not that so thats good
vast forum
you don't need EB
vast forum
3SS if you can
drowsy chasm
Thanks
vast forum
rest of the traits depend on the dungeon/level/affixes/other dps in your grp/pull patterns etc
but 3xSS, BotE major, lucid+breath minor are pretty much locked in
sour glade
@tardy nimbus if you have jockeys not in peacekeepers they need to be locked down or they will randomly 2 shot people. It's an invisible cast just like the earth shock on the guys before azerokk.
woeful wigeon
can any of you help me out on voice with my screen share i need some help about small thing wud be kind of you sinn spec
arctic walrus
can you just explain it instead
woeful wigeon
english is not ver good
how can you lvl you essence from rank
?
what the major minor thing from your neck how do it work in in what position you need to place them
woeful wigeon
dutch
scarlet sequoia
some1 dutch help the man out
arctic walrus
@scarlet sequoia help this man out
scarlet sequoia
im danish vel
opal pike
what essence should i use for m+? I have iris level 2 and BotE level 1, should I use i Iris? minor i have c&s, crucible and memory
arctic walrus
Major is the one in the middle, minor is 3 smaller circles
Tooltip should say what is major and minor
you can look up how to upgrade your ranks, and it shows you in game on the tooltip
scarlet sequoia
yessir
scarlet sequoia
noooo bro
woeful wigeon
single tar pve ?
fleet whale
Lucid major is ok if you don't have the other good majors
scarlet sequoia
Blood of the Enemy (Major)
Memory of Lucid Dreams (Minor)
Conflict and Strife (Minor)
Breath of the Dying (Minor)
fleet whale
I think more people are gonna start switching to breath major soonish
flint gorge
i would like some help as well
scarlet sequoia
@woeful wigeon ideally you get every essence to rank 3 and then you sim yourself
@fleet whale why
fleet whale
simming higher, higher neck levels
scarlet sequoia
yeah its not too bad anymore
flint gorge
i boosted a roughe purley for pvp
shoul dof probs got someone to help cause idk what to do
woeful wigeon
do we still have gear enchants ? and weapen anchants avaible ?
strange python
Clf is probably that big for you because of the haste and you having all that expedient + playing exsang ye @scarlet sequoia ?
scarlet sequoia
yeah probably
strange python
Cuz I've Seen BotD consistently outpacing other stuff for assa with more random corruptions
But ye obviously Gear dependant
scarlet sequoia
everything is bro
woeful wigeon
raid bots dint tell what enchat i need
strange python
Obviously. Just meant to say that the Statement of the other Guy of "BotD starting to Sim better" for more and more rogues is not necessarily wrong. At least from my anecdotal experience of simming random people with it
arctic walrus
sin is a spec that needs to buff it's cd windows, not just have a random ability thrown every 45s
Any bit of corruption can sway what sims best for you
strange python
Every 20 seconds or so depending on Fight tbh.
And yes, I totally agree. Again, I just wanted to say that the varolyn Guy is not necessarily wrong of it outsimming other stuff on some rogues over time.
Obviously all dependant on Gear
woeful wigeon
can i go mutliple time for notign personal ?
strange python
Don't wanna make an overgeneralized Statement, and I don't think I did
Yes you can
And to let raidbots Tell you which enchantments to use
Go to "top Gear" and scroll down to enchants. Click the ones you want to compare and Check the Box "replace existing enchantments"
fleet whale
I don't know what you mean by saying that sin is a spec that needs to buff it's cd windows, if breath is simming higher for a specific player, then with effective and optimal use, he should get better results
cunning quarry
Im really struggling to get decent parses on mythic nyalotha, especially on wrathion, any advice?
scarlet sequoia
vision minor
brisk mist
!essences
vestal wren
!essences
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
vestal wren
bot was down for a short duration
undone pasture
Yea moroes's commitment have been lacking lately... u r essential for a reason moroes wake up
vestal wren
moroes will go to sleep for a low duration every 12h (max 2 mins)
grizzled harness
Heya
I'm haven't played since season 1, is Toxic Blade the thing to go now or is it a matters of preference?
drifting cloud
yeah I assume for most people tb will be better
you need pretty insane gear for exsang to overtake
sick owl
Hey I am reading all the guides in the pinned notes but I am having trouble finding an opener with subterfuge, BotE and TB. Which is what I sim best as.
Or did a miss a section stating when to use essences with those talents.
balmy condor
If you quick sim yourself it’ll do the opener as listed in the APL
I usually follow that
normal sequoia
what are the raid stats?
strange python
Which Dungeon?
hasty fiber
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/moz5mjQ7VSeG5BeeEsp952 is this normal to have subterfuge sim higher than master assassin rn?
heres <39 corruption sim https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wPdBnbg9DED7Ctchm9CbGF
ahh okay
tyvm
edgy shuttle
is gutripper a trap?
cobalt pelican
in what sense
empty badge
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
fleet anchor
Regarding the convo above, CLF also is scaling pretty well right now so it's gonna be in the discussion for sure.
elder jasper
so for raiding what traits are worth stacking? is it worth stacking the Nothing Personal trait?
glad compass
raven locust
Sub scales better than ma
visual pagoda
fathom swift
Trufigcd i think
fleet anchor
Considering how many tiers in the past Subterfuge has been the go-to, it shouldn't really be tooo surprising that it is still solid.
rancid bobcat
you can usually remove void ritual but if you have nothing else to use after your cloak ranks up then just keep them
and use something without corruption in the mean time
mortal gale
Dumb question but does exang comsume nothing personal?
scarlet sequoia
no
onyx hedge
I have fallen behind on all the rogue guicy info, what corruption people gunning for?
scarlet sequoia
high ilvl weapon in off hand is definitely interesting
onyx hedge
was just playing round with some stuff
was swapping other weapons with other corurptions on it around so :I
scarlet sequoia
but ye as tryan said, literally just sim:)
hollow bridge
at high ilvl are stat corruptions better than proc corruptions? ie expedient better than TD or something?
hollow bridge
sorry Tryan, i mean for ST fights or mostly for Ny'alotha raid. Haste for a while appears to be the best secondary for pure single target, we usually run DD x2 1 np and 3 darkness. I am just wondering as some classes/specs like destro want to stack tier 3 Expedient everywhere if they can, or Arms want expedient on all slots, does that happen eventually at high ilvl for Sin rogue?
pseudo hamlet
I think it all depends on your gear and content you're trying to do. There's no "stat corruptions > proc corruptions" or anything like that.
For example - while simming(ST) my gear - dagger with tentacle is much higher than the one that gives me versatility.
frosty obsidian
how do you sinners sin for m+
strange python
The highest simdps ive seen here is with raz build
He plays expedient and exsanguinate
frosty obsidian
I mean, what sim settings do you use to gauge what’s best for m+ as dslice doesn’t seem to be that good for sin
strange python
I was answering the guy above you
I have no idea how to sim for m+ as sin i play outlaw in m+
40 sec 6 target patchwerk with no bl
fleet anchor
DungeonSlice is good if you want to see roughly what you will do in the real world mix of pulls. 6T 40s is only going to show you what your AoE on big pulls is and ignore everything else. Depends on if you really want to locally optimize just for big pulls and be terrible at everything else.
Most dungeons have much more smaller pulls (or initially large pulls that turn into small pulls halfway) than people estimate.
fleet anchor
I don’t believe that is accurate
But if you really do want to focus just on AoE I would really suggest longer sim durations than 40s.
It may initially seem reasonable as a concept to be looking at “pull lengths” but the huge disadvantage to doing smaller lengths is it gives no real idea of cooldown interactions.
What you are essentially doing is running 40s pulls many times end-to-end (say 10k iterations) so you may as well run a 5 minute sim conceptually either way. You will get a better mix of actual cooldown and RPPM dynamics.
Very short duration sims tend to skew heavily.
The issue you are probably trying to avoid is the valuation of SS which is what DS was made to combat because it allows restealths between the sub-encounters.
crimson palm
Since exsanguinate doesn't overlap with the 2nd vendetta, what's the play if we cannot delay the vendetta cast? Delay the exsanguinate and lose out on one cast but get the good vendettas or potentially lose a vendetta?
I.e on raden with a kill time around 4:20
fleet anchor
I think when I tested this last it was fine to just fire off the Exsang. But I would need to double check. What major?
cobalt pelican
there's some things that i notice consistently in dslice that i don't really understand for this spec (and the forced waits in general)
fleet anchor
I only ask because I think BotE is up at that point anyway so you sync with Exsang. CLF won’t matter since second is desynced anyway too.
cobalt pelican
like hmm, the first garrote is always on fluffy pillow before the boss has 'spawned in', and then the boss only gets 1 garrote, unless the initial is transfered from the other target
scarlet sequoia
u know clf cleaves too right
definitely cleaves more than doing 80k hit with blood once
cobalt pelican
on most iterations i look at, for some reason there's no wait between boss and pack1 which forces vanish to be used for the initial garrotes, and generally it only gets 2 garrotes out of the vanish even (energy reasons? i geuss)
crimson palm
I was thinking of vanish into 3x garrote bote at 2 min mark
Since that's when new orbs and adds spawn
cobalt pelican
same holds for the other packs but doesn't seem to hold as a consistent rule, so i just guess the 'forced wait' is low enough on the low end to prevent?
fleet anchor
Nameless, the first spell of the sim going on the immunes target is kinda a know bug/timing issue but I don’t think it would affect the final results too much. Could always put like a wait 100 if time=0 or something perhaps.
cobalt pelican
mm yea it's very l ikely insigificant
fleet anchor
Has to do with the retarget event happening on the same timestamp
Might be solvable. I haven’t looked at the retarget code itself.
cobalt pelican
yeah that's not a big deal tbh, it was just the first thing i noticed
i don't kn ow what happens with the restealth
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/azcowVR196mxQN9E2CzbTc/simc as a super quick iteration i glanced at
both of the first 2 packs have no restealth, right?
fleet anchor
The waiting time I think is determined just by the variance of the wave length.
cobalt pelican
oh so the packs can
overlap if they're both long rolls?
seems pretty unfortunate for assassination, like there's 5? restealths in this iteration for 11-12 packs
i can't count rn even i just woke up
fleet anchor
I think it’s possible for the first ones. Less likely for the later ones.
faint harness
You only get to restealth on 50% of the packs, wdym 
cobalt pelican
average 6.7 per, so kinda consistent too
i'm pretty fine with not expecting a restealth every pull tbh i think that would somewhat capture reality but the current amount is way lower than fair, i just don't know what causes it even
faint harness
i usually tell the tank if its a pug that i play sin, and they usually dont chainpull
vestal wren
to give my 2c about the 40sec 6t sims, the majority of sims i saw did not dissable bloodlust or any raid buff. So they dont only have the targets up all the time they also have 40 secs long bloodlust and all other raid buffs/runes/pots
fleet anchor
Compared to the fight style length minus the boss time.
I could definitely see an argument for trying to make sure there is a restealth after the boss though and that could be easy to adjust.
faint harness
I think you want a restealth everytime
fleet anchor
But isn’t the fight length only 6 minutes?
faint harness
Otherwise wouldnt play sin
fleet anchor
The boss is like 2 minutes.
Do you really restealth on average more than 6.7 times every 2 minutes? Seems unlikely.
cobalt pelican
no, but the pulls in reality are always longer for me
faint harness
not really
vestal wren
restealth depends on the deviation of the mobs duration
it should have a restealth often
faint harness
nxt level sim would be to adjust it for key levels
fleet anchor
Either way you are getting quite a few Subterfuge windows in a 6 minute period. I think it’s still a pretty fair reflection.
vestal wren
you can use my fight sim and add the raid buffs you want if you want a secure restealth
fleet anchor
The thing here that I think we’ve talked about before is that you don’t really have to overfit sims.
cobalt pelican
yeah, currently it's vanishing to get the garrotes off when it doesn't get a stealth
fleet anchor
You’ll find after testing this type of thing that due to variance and iterations you are “hitting the same notes” anyway.
cobalt pelican
yeah for sure, but you're pretty much guaranteed a restealth between packs (regardless of pack length) on all but the highest level of key, at least from my experience
and when it's 50% of your damage in a dungeon
it makes even stat choice weird if everything is reshuffled around
fleet anchor
And the weighting of things rarely actually changes when you make specific sim types.
cobalt pelican
maybe
faint harness
so if theres 6 medium-health mobs, is it possible to get 6 garrotes out
6 buffed ones
fleet anchor
Outside of edge cases for specific mechanics
cobalt pelican
to give a basic reflection of my own (very imperfect play), compared to sim averages
dslice has garrote at 24.3% of my damage
let me find something from last night
(i know there are massive differences between sim and world but)
faint harness
I think im around 30% garrote dmg
at most
FoK/Echoing blade is together doing like 20% dmg
fleet anchor
The percentage there will probably not match up because of the large boss section. Essentially what it is doing is slightly weighting the “boss” a little higher than normal. (Not a massive amount but a little.)
cobalt pelican
mm makes sense
fleet anchor
But yeah I don’t really have an objection to trying to see if we can get a restealth in that first post-boss pack. Should just be a matter of delaying the first time on the event by 1 second. I’ll look into it.
faint harness
in real play it definitely does, you should 100% restealths, even if it means lingering behind the tank for a few seconds so you dont get combat
fleet anchor
Sure but for example you do have hybrid pulls that take time to gather
Say Freehold down by the 2nd boss.
You don’t always get to stealth naturally between mixed size groups.
strange python
My RL told me to stay on raden at all times (ill rupture and garrote the add) and vop major sims like 900 dps more than normal sims should i go for vop?
faint harness
i dunno, very rarely is there any issue with restealthing imo
its only an issue in dungeons that put you in combat from aoe shit
cobalt pelican
blood lines up pretty nicely on that fight to hit the ads but
if you're not even putting bleeds on them due to leaders orders, vop should be fine
fleet anchor
Lucky assignment. 😄
faint harness
I mean sin rogue is terrible at swapping targets
you can easily argue for your case on raden
running across the map to hit orbs that you might deal 300k dmg to
or just tunnel boss
fleet anchor
Sure but we often still get asked anyway. 😦
faint harness
clear win
fleet anchor
Or have to soak everything
faint harness
yea im doing a bunch of mechanics on ra-den
but otherwise just glued to the boss
but then again, we ran 4 warlocks on prog, they blow up the first orb alone
fleet anchor
Breath is not bad either because you can usually use it 4 times per add wave and then put a buffed one into the boss.
cobalt pelican
and then autoattack it
fleet anchor
Just don’t use breath on the orbs ever
faint harness
breath seems good ye
faint harness
same with shards on wrathion i guess
sometimes they gave 45s
and sometimes not
very annoying
fleet anchor
Well tested mechanics 😄
faint harness
@cobalt pelican yea i did orbs on the first like 5 pulls on ra-den, told RL that im basically just running around
Felt pointless, and we didnt have to
lucks
wet ruin
what do you mean
I am usually top dps on the orbs
besides the first one
that only range kills
cobalt pelican
that's unfortunate for your raid
wet ruin
I don't see the problem in switching
royal lantern
if it works its ofc no problem
royal lantern
but that more or less just means your other dps dont care about the orbs at all
wet ruin
we lust at pull
fleet anchor
Hunters and Warlocks should usually be pretty high on them
faint harness
cus if you nuke ra-den, you really dont want rogues running around hitting orbs that ranged dps (warlocks) could do while also doing dmg to boss
strange python
aight ill be running vop then tyvm
fleet anchor
DH also swaps pretty easy
faint harness
in general, having to run around as a melee is a waste of time
when ranged dps can do it
strange python
i still dont get why its simming so much higher but well
fleet anchor
Like our BM Hunter/Demon Hunter carried a lot of it
wet ruin
its like most of our melee is top on the vita orb
fleet anchor
Warlock are good on certain timings. Elemental also good.
wet ruin
I guess it depends on what order you do it with
which I am pretty sure is not the most commonly used for us
wet ruin
I usually step to the vita and then dps it down as it goes to the boss
fleet anchor
Like if you need to swap you need to swap. But other people should be beating you. 😄
cobalt pelican
are you doing vita 3rd or 2nd
wet ruin
2nd
cobalt pelican
yea fk that
unless you tank raden somewhere different
it's like 5000 miles away
wet ruin
we start at nightmare
and kill void
then vita
I am pretty sure its not the optimal way to do it nowadays
they were saying something about switching it up for next week, so we can skip the third orb, we'll see
faint harness
We do 2 orbs quite easily, it should be doable for most guilds with tanks kiting
fleet anchor
Will have a better chance at meeting that timer if you aren’t pulling your Rogues off for the second one. 😄
faint harness
Ye
fleet anchor
Definitely better if you can sit on the boss for sure.
wet ruin
yea, probably
its all of our melee that switches 😄
but I don't think we can do it without melee switching
faint harness
Lazy ranged
wet ruin
I think its more of a heavy melee composition and a bad strategy
with the positioning we do we need players to soak stuff at the other side of the room
fleet anchor
We are very melee heavy and still just have DHs do it
wet ruin
what order do you do it koji
faint harness
We do void + corruption at least
strange python
how much do the regular rogues sim? ive seen raz 95k but i feel worthless with my 85k vop major shit
fleet anchor
I mean the order doesn’t matter all that much. It’s more just that like Hunters can swap with no problem and no ramp time.
DHs have no ramp and good mobility
Elemental can swap easy
wet ruin
how do you move the boss rather
fleet anchor
Etc.
faint harness
@strange python i sim 93k ish
strange python
can u link me ur sim? i want to see ur gear /setup etc
faint harness
Non-IS
fleet anchor
My corruptions hate me so I’m only in the 88k range.
fleet anchor
Imagine getting Severe or Expedient items. I only have one of each. Haha.
strange python
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xd4SjDNVo9nASGDxo57eVz
this is my setup kinda feeling lost rn
fleet anchor
I also have no TA items other than daggers that I finally got this week. Which refused to drop until the 8th coin or something.
Truly corruption hates me.
faint harness
I am just getting TAs
fleet anchor
Honestly your gear is fine. 86k is simming more than like 95% of Rogues probably. 😛
Especially non-IS
faint harness
I can run t8 TA with all at 470
At least 470
485, 485, 475, 470 TA
I checked log dmg
110k crits
fleet anchor
Obviously the main weak link there Lonewolf is the Void Ritual
Which isn’t bad but obviously something like GW/Expedient/etc. would be stronger.
faint harness
Also 48 corruption is kinda meh
You cant add 10 more?
Thing from beyond dmg is HP based
It wont change unless above 80 corruption
wet ruin
its the slow
fleet anchor
Yeah I mean I’d either shoot for 39 or 59. Not much reason to do in between.
strange python
i think i dont have anything else but let me look again
fleet anchor
Slow is gonna screw you over either way. 😄
faint harness
Yea
wet ruin
I sim +100 with 58 rather than 48
fleet anchor
Make a big WA lol
wet ruin
so I prefer not to go to 58
faint harness
100 dps is better than 0 either way
fleet anchor
Yeah sure if it’s that close. But then I’d probably just drop to 39.
I prefer 39 during prog for Assassination anyway tbh
wet ruin
yea, but the corruption might fuck me
faint harness
I have musclebrah chasing me when it procs
strange python
i was playing with 74 and i wasnt dying to my corruption but other dps in my guild were telling me i take too much dmg from it and my dmg is made by my corruptions so i went down to prove them wrong
wet ruin
its not the thing
faint harness
74 is a bit much
faint harness
Yea but ur a rogue, step/cloak/cloak
fleet anchor
Assassination is pretty meh at dealing with tfb.
faint harness
We have ways of dealing with it
wet ruin
not always works
faint harness
The only fight where it can actually kill you is like shadhar
P1 shadhar
The rest you can adapt to
wet ruin
I find it annoying on n'zoth
fleet anchor
Sure but during prog it wasn’t really worth it for me.
wet ruin
especially when I need to drop anguish and I am slowed
faint harness
Why on nzoth
fleet anchor
Going above 39 was only like 1-2% damage
faint harness
Step with anguish
wet ruin
I am stepping paranoia usually
wet ruin
eh?
faint harness
And you are mostly stacked anyway
wet ruin
especially the first paranoia after the second anguish
faint harness
Its much more important to place anguish in a good spot
Than getting to ur paranoia in 1 second
wet ruin
yea, but the 2 don't overlap, so they are separate mechanics
faint harness
I dunno, ppl focus too much on paranoia, its exactly as the name of the mechanic
wet ruin
it certainly helps other people
fleet anchor
Lonewolf what are you putting in as your Surging Vitality uptime?
I see you have some good items with that trait. Surprised it’s not using them.
faint harness
Surging should have 50% uptime on most later fights
fleet anchor
They fixed most of the proc problems with it. Should be 50-55% pretty easily now.
wet ruin
he is simming at 0
faint harness
50%
wet ruin
when did they fix it, last time I checked its around 25-30% uptime
fleet anchor
It’s just rppm. I didn’t see an icd.
fleet anchor
It can refresh. It’s 2 RPPM I think.
faint harness
True
strange python
so should i put 50% in there?
faint harness
It should be good on raden
fleet anchor
I was running on N’zoth last week had like 50%+
faint harness
Ruin is constant dmg in last phase
wet ruin
I can only see it work on n'zoth or ilgynoth
wet ruin
other fights are 25-30%
fleet anchor
But afaik they made it proc from way more things
fleet anchor
Originally it was broken on Xanesh and such for example. Think it’s fixed now afaik
wet ruin
let me find some logs
fleet anchor
Originally it didn’t proc from her AoE
strange python
ill try to sim again with it at 50%
faint harness
Wrathion only gains its passive aoe dmg after first pillar phase
So it makes sense
faint harness
I mean is he playing around it
wet ruin
another longer maut
faint harness
Sure you can link random logs, but it doesnt say much imo
fleet anchor
RPPM gonna RPPM