the shoulders from ilgy has HoD + SS
#assassination
soft lily
Im missing the raden helm for that set
soft lily
Being incredibly unlucky with gambling
faint harness
soft lily
My sets currently don’t have 3 of anything
soft lily
I can do 2 ss, 2 Hod 1NP and 1Bbi
scarlet sequoia
ye thats what i say every week
shy dust
Raz this is the week you get the dagger
scarlet sequoia
no probably not
crimson palm
And get expedient III instead 
soft lily
I’ll get an avoidance piece like every week
latent field
Don’t think that way you could also get leech
soft lily
I think if rolled a leech set I could do 30% with the talent
Could just play this game like diablo and never die
latent field
We havoc now
coarse solar
Anyone able to give me some log help? Guild is getting really close to a Ra-den kill but my logs are green/blue and I don't feel I'm pulling my weight. Our other Rogue is playing Subterfuge so playstyles are a bit different (I'm running MA/Double Dose for more consistent boss damage). Am sure I'm missing some big things but just haven't figured out where to optimise yet.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aQFkWArRM8yCNqv9#fight=33&cutoff=3&type=damage-done
Above was our best pull last night, and I'm playing Subeta
Running Stars for boss damage in the last phase
spice ocean
Only one GA cast
iron heath
You should have had I more TB?
1*
May want to run bote also
vers seems low, and force on OH?
Def sim
coarse solar
Thank you guys
I was saving my second GA for my third Vendetta, but pins say it's better to just use it on cooldown?
and yes I screwed my Coral usage that pull and had to just hit it at random
I sim quite frequently and it's not told me to swap Force on to MH. The Feints were to ease healer jobs a bit when soaking purple circles or other mechanics. Rarely seem to be in danger though
strange python
3 x SS and 3 x NP is the best way to go for 5 masks solo as assa right?
plain thistle
you can change gear there, no reason to go with 3 NP when fighting trash mobs
strange python
what would u replace np with for trash?
plain thistle
EB if pulling a lot of mobs, heart of darkness is a good option too, ttk, blightborne, a lot of good options. you need to check what you have available
strange python
ok tyvm
plain thistle
or just go with something like 3 SS, 1 NP , 2 hearth of darkness or something like that and never change gear 😂
coarse solar
Yeah I run 3 SS, 2 NP, 1 EB. You could drop the EB as I rarely even press FoK
plain thistle
I used to change gear when its was a little bit more difficult, now I can just go with my best gear and do a 5 mask without using orbs
strange python
what major and minor essences would u go for?
plain thistle
I usually go with blood of the enemy, just to kill bosses faster
but i think breath of the dying could be really good there
novel wave
I'm fairly new to rogue, I was looking for the opener to practice it. I noticed you use garrote twice in your opener, but isn't it a waste of energy because it's a DoT based ability? wouldn't the energy better be spent on something else?
plain thistle
its more than that, because of pandemic
shrewd night
Its around, uuuh. 8? I think
novel wave
I thought pandemic only worked when there is like 30% left?
shrewd night
There is no use reapplying until 30%, usually. But you can extend at any time.
novel wave
Ohhhhh I thought it only added up under 30%, but it actually adds up to 30% of the total time
Which means that it just can't refresh more than that
shrewd night
Exactly
novel wave
I just misunderstood pandemic
Haven't played a lot of DoT based classes before, forgive me haha
Then it makes total sense, very cool!
And of course if there are multiple targets I assume you'll want to garrote multiple enemies instead since they all benefit from full duration?
shrewd night
Yes, if three targets, garrote all of them. If two, garrote both, extend one.
coarse solar
@strange python Up to you really, but I think I did my first full 5 mask with Focussing Iris. I've also done them with Blood and Breath. Those are probably the best ones to use; Guardian CD is too long and bosses are normally dead before it runs the full duration
strange python
Tyvm guys!
novel wave
Oh my lord I just found out you can use garrote when out of stealth, how am I so underinformed about this spec?
You weren't always able to use it out of stealth right? Or am I just misremembering?
plain thistle
they change that for legion If i remember correctly
royal lantern
how did you play assassination with only rupture on your enemy lol
thats like 1 skill every 5sec cus energy
pseudo hamlet
How many times weekly are you guys doing 5-masks runs?
scarlet sequoia
5
pseudo hamlet
I'm doing it only two times a week and still didn't get anything usefull... maybe 12% TD in 470ilvl hands, but that's all.
scarlet sequoia
okay
narrow robin
"didn't get anything useful" * T2 TD*
pseudo hamlet
Just on one item for like... 10 tries! though I've got plenty of TD overall.
narrow robin
It's a guaranteed corruption on a 470 item
It's not a guaranteed specific corruption
pseudo hamlet
Of course.
strange python
whats the range on void ritual? (allies buff)
do the allies need to be in the melee camp?
tardy nimbus
I saw something saying flay procs are not effect by but when I take the same MF set up as outlaw it's so much worse
ornate edge
Forgive me for asking some basic questions but what does "GA" mean (referring to the above discussion of improving someone's boss damage in a raid)
(I read the pins, but that one is eluding me) 🙂
fickle idol
Guessing Garrote?
cobalt pelican
guardian of azeroth looking at the context
it's not really an acronym anyone uses though
faint harness
its CLF for most ppl
drowsy chasm
hello, is vision of perfection 3 minor a good substitute for strife 3 or are they better in different contexts?
faint harness
Nope
frosty obsidian
morning gents
anyway i can make this better? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8FRfAxrGahyBXJHAS1s1Hy
opal pike
is void ritual a good corruption or should i clenase it?
crimson palm
Any workaround for malefic cores stacking? Don't want to equip resistance that would put me below 25
vast forum
wear more corruption 😄
wet ruin
its an item, so you can keep it for a week
don't know how stacking works, but I can assume you can keep the item and if it won't drop the next week, you can use the item and do the other activity for the second upgrade
mossy sable
I have the same thing happening for Law
Blood is like -2k and blood is in the top 3 with Meme Beam being in the 4th
strange python
what's there to think @hollow gyro ?
if it sims higher it sims higher
it sims properly
it's also even better than a PW sim assumes in reality, because on most raid fights you can consistently snipe executes or at least above 80 and sub 20% reductions on adds
which kinda exponentially increases its value
and in general it sims high simply because it's very strong.
And it scales with Neck Level, as opposed to BotE where only the shitty Minor scales with Neck. As Neck levels rise, so will BotD DPS compared to BotE
and gaining a stronger minor, cns, is also great
frosty obsidian
anyone have a compilation pov of top parses in mythic bosses
strange python
though generally BotE combined with an on-use is obviously great if a fight requires some sort of big burst window
but generally at this point in the tier you outgear shit anyways i guess
hollow gyro
lit thanks
tough skiff
who can help me sim? I have so many bad corruption I don't even know which one to put
royal torrent
go to bloodmallet or herodamage and look up dps/corruption to give you a starting point of which ones aren't even worth lookin at
should narrow it down a lot
tough skiff
@royal torrent I found out why I was doing crappy sims. Had to change BotE to BotD dps increased by +10k lol
drifting cloud
that doesnt sound right
strange python
Mby he had no -10 corruption Essence slotted Prior, and now his Sim equips more corruption?
Or he has low lvl Bote
Or he simmed dslice or smth
@tough skiff can you Link the Sim?
tough skiff
strange python
Like, a top Gear sim with both Bote and BotD Majors
tough skiff
liking old sim in a min
Old Sim with BotE
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2ts8BwfSy6Dg7T6NjJRsRi
strange python
I mean, that 10k DPS increase isnt solely due to BotD Major
cobalt pelican
probably don't sim bote with vop 2 minor??
strange python
And your new top Gear is completely different. With 25 more corruption than your current
tough skiff
I was getting 70K dps for a while until I change to BotD
strange python
You Made it Sound Like BotD Major alone was a 10k increase :D
crimson palm
hidden blades vs poison bomb on carapace?
cobalt pelican
poison bomb
crimson palm
Loads of people seem to be running HB on logs
cobalt pelican
are you reclearing and willing to kinda int your guild
crimson palm
Progress, I'm expecting to kill it tonight though
cobalt pelican
poison bomb
there is almost no relevant multi target parts of the fight for progress besides intermission cysts, and hb does basically nothing to them
@tough skiff something like this is what i'd expect your gear to look like, start adding breath minor to your sims
crimson palm
They use it to pad on the adds
cobalt pelican
tough skiff
@cobalt pelican Thank you!
elder jasper
so for stats what are the percentages I should be aiming for? I'm currently at 31% crit, 40% mastery and 18% haste
quasi pewter
whatever stats sim best for you if you're talking about raid
lone junco
simmed my rogue and ended up 3dd with a blightborne /ttk / and swirly sands.
with MA, why did the blight borne come in above 1x NP? Guess I could have looked at it, closer, but expected the NP to win.
scarlet sequoia
play subterfuge
if youre playing blood on top of that subterfuge is probably a very big dps increase
lone junco
I dont have bote
rancid bobcat
bb and swirl are very good traits
sharp mauve
Why exactly does haste lose so much worth in Multi Target situations? Should i avoid getting it too high for m+?
rancid bobcat
you have more targets to put bleeds up and thus have massively increased energy regen
scarlet sequoia
well thats a yikes
lone junco
in single
rancid bobcat
so you dont need haste
scarlet sequoia
low ilvl np is kinda mega shit
lone junco
@sharp mauve haste (for assassin) is mostly energy regen. Once you get bleeds out, you gain more e than you can spend. so it tanks.
lone junco
fine by me.
sharp mauve
Oooh i see, that makes sense
rancid bobcat
i just said that
lone junco
@sharp mauve and also in cleave, crit scales for cp gain. and the Echoing Blades trait. So high crit, low haste is the play
lone junco
the Short MA window is kinda shit. @gusty kestrel do you play MA?
first time in raid on this rogue. I should save my coin for Carapice dagger, and what else?
sharp mauve
Also, is there a specific number in my secondary stats i should aim for? In other words, do i try to have some of everything, but obviously tilt towards the favored ones, or do i completely ditch the lower 2 in order to go crazy with crit and haste/mast?
sharp mauve
Yeah good idea >.>
rigid mango
Vita is good noobe
I would prio the last boss azerite tho tis p good unless u wanna run SS stuff
polar cape
Exang gang gang
dense axle
can someone explain why this isnt an upgrade?! (belt, not the IS boots) https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5RRX6R9wERbLaBAbUQKbL6
it's 5 ilvl higher, lower corruption tier of same corruption, but it has crit stated, so my crit is actually higher with the tier 1 piece
scarlet sequoia
it sims less
lone junco
hopefully my R3 tendy carries, so I dont look like a potato.
mystic crest
does anyone know if 3 np Vop major is good
waxen socket
Reading up a bit u guys suggest subterfuge over MA when I use Blood as main essence?
scarlet sequoia
correct
waxen socket
Alright
Should check it out
Played with 2 void rituals yesterday rank 3 & 2
was not that bad honestly
I dont have IS or Appendage yet so that might be why it simmed the best for me
scarlet sequoia
well IS is just good on sims
realistically its horrible on everything except very single target fights
mystic crest
like shadhar/xanesh
waxen socket
So appendage should rule supreme for most rogues?
mystic crest
racing pulse or expedient?
scarlet sequoia
expedient
mystic crest
i got my 1st expedient yesterday pretty nice
mystic crest
im sitting with 2 racing pulse pieces 3 inf stars and 1 surging vitality
low girder
@dense axle if you really want to know, it's procs. you're running BBI and coral. 3% more crit off those is a lot more than a bit of static crit, especially on coral when you'll get it when it matters during cds.
waxen socket
is there a pin how to use the coral most effectivly?
scarlet sequoia
yes
dense axle
ahh, good call Mata
waxen socket
So when we start a fight and pop coral instantly
we usually pop vendetta a few stacks after
do we still pop it at the start for the few stacks we get then?
And then reapply after vendetta is over?
tropic ocean
How to use Razer Coral trinket?
- For Assa, apply it as soon as possible and consume stacks with each Vendetta, reapply after.
dense axle
the way ive always usd it is to apply asap, then use on second vendetta and ever vend after that
tulip star
should i be using patchwerk for my sims and not dungeon slice?
finite yarrow
is the VoP build worth running on carapace?
scarlet sequoia
no
gusty mirage
should i be using patchwerk for my sims and not dungeon slice?
@tulip star dungeon slice is bad for assa
tells you pretty much nothing iirc
snow zenith
hello i was wandering with i can midigate the damage of cursed pulse from ilgynoth with feint
hollow talon
hey guys i'm thinking of respeccing to sin, wondering what the best minor essences to use are if i don't have strife?
!Essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
sour glade
So if I'm running worldvein major with subterfuge w/no SS, where do I press worldvein?
Without it, it's garrote, mut to 4+, rupture, vendetta, mut, TB, mut if under 4 cp, envenom. Trying to figure out where to stick WV in there
tulip star
so patchwerk shows me 20k dps lower than dungeon slice but is that more accurate for assassination?
vast forum
patchwerk is single target
dungeonslice is a series of trash fights with a 2 min single target bossfight
depends what you want to sim
if you're simming for dungeons, try 40 seconds 5 targets with hero disabled
thick vapor
Yo guys! Im currently progressing Xanesh with my guild and I curious why my Vendetta doesn't reset when we are wiping. Is that a common bug for that spell since almost every other main cd will reset above 2 min cd right?
dense axle
raz is correct. Only CDs above 2 min reset on wipes/boss resets. Don't know why...could just make em all reset but hey, I'm not in charge
thick vapor
Okey thanks for the info 🙂 Ye sucks that sometimes i cant get my opener that i want
finite yarrow
just tell them to wait for your cd?
harsh tusk
I sim at 90k if I use my other shard, but puts me at 71 corruption which im trying to avoid
any help appreciated
Also, I assume focused resolve and baked potato is still the consuambles(besides augment and flask)?
fathom swift
You can sim food/pots too if you want to check
shrewd iron
Get better corruptions IS sucks @harsh tusk
blissful cave
how much corruption can i go as assassination for m+ and raids? Just started playing rogue and i have no idea how to evaluate that.
mighty ridge
tropic ocean
<60 is fine
dull osprey
I'm thinking about running BotE over CLF even though it sims less than clf. Should I use blood on cd or pair it with vendetta and lustrous golden plumage?
blissful cave
how do rogues handle over 39. Played dk before and i just deathstriked once
faint harness
blind, cloak, cloak, tank it
dull osprey
blind, fok to slow, cloak
faint harness
play cheat death as a countermeasure
dull osprey
yeah
all that
its mainly only annoying in pvp/solo stuff cause it hits pretty hard
clear remnant
Is glimpse of clarity corruption any good?
hollow ether
When simming, should I only be using patchwerk or are there other sims which are common for gearing? Saw someone say that Dungeon Slice isn't useful for sin, so wondering if there's a best sim for multiple adds at a time.
tawdry basalt
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
hollow ether
fights like skit, vex, raden where you are primarily on 1 boss but there is target swapping for <15 sec at a time
and also a basic m+ type sim
fathom swift
Theres a cleave add fight style but its up more than it would be on raden or skitra
hollow ether
is there a reason it was suggested not to use the dungeon slice model?
hot swift
question about master assassin talent
its not actually giving me 50% crit chance is it?
seems like my damaging essences arent effected by it at all
cobalt pelican
corecto
cobalt pelican
<5.4
rocky holly
gotcha. and rupture?
fathom swift
Its just less than 30%
rocky holly
30% of what? 24s?
fathom swift
Ya so 7.2
rocky holly
gotcha
fathom swift
But it applies to anything pandemic
rocky holly
that was a dumb way to ask it -- does pandemic keep the initial MA snapshot rolling?
buoyant flicker
n
fossil pagoda
hello guys what's rogue status have to be like
Crit % ? also Haste: %? mastery: %?
mine is like Crit: 33% haste: 34% mastery: 35% Ver: 4% is any goot
anyone can help me?
good or i have to fix it?
drifting cloud
for what
for st you sim
for m+ thats too much haste
theres no magic numbers for st you just wear what sims highest
(within reason)
drifting cloud
nope, not a thing
fossil pagoda
ehhh
quasi scroll
I wear Dice & Spyglass in M+, tonight I got Torment & Segment
are they any good? (460)
hot swift
damn then they should fix master assassin tool tip
idle verge
which one is stronger all around
hot swift
shit has me tricked 😔
sleek spear
hey guys, anyone knows whether having TA corruption on the offhand affects the proc rate? Should i put it on the mainhand instead? Really dont want to, cause my MH is higher ilevel.
drifting cloud
it doesnt
sleek spear
thanks @drifting cloud
frozen karma
So my dice sims 1k less than my coral but I feel like with how scuff the usage is on n'zoth dice might be more worth
what do y'all think?
fleet jacinth
Parsed terribly tonight, looking for help. Just came back to the game after a long hiatus -- was playing Sub before, switched to Assas because I hear its a ton better.
I'm eggsotic
tiny sierra
Why is subterfuge simming higher without SS trait?
And if I do run sub without SS how should i do my opener? Garrote --> Mutilate into rupture then regular? Or?
idle verge
Hey guys im completely new at sin, and just got back into the game about a couple weeks ago playing only outlaw. Am I supposed to cycle through every enemy and apply rupture before i start doing fan of knives?
Or how do I even play
I know nada
honest field
well you need 3-5 bleeds for your energy regen, I need 3-4 but some1 wrote that you need atleast 4-5 . try it depands on your traits and stats. but for AoE play Outlaw Assa only for some bosses in Raid, PvP and I actually really like it for visions ...
idle verge
If i wanted one spec to play just to be able to do everything, not going for best player in the world just to do everything efficiently do i play sin or outlaw?
honest field
My heart would say sin ... but Outlaw ... play Outlaw
idle verge
I like assassin but its hard to get used to, i don't know about traits its just complicated
honest field
nah it's not complicated 🙂 check logs, streams, pinned resources and you will be fiine 🙂
and sim yourself
nocturne dagger
New to Sin Rogue... How do you sim yourself for M+? Patchwerk multiple bosses or?
honest vessel
pretty much, vary the number of bosses and use ur brain a bit
no easy way to do it
i think there is a string that attempts to do it well, pinned somewhere
dunno where tho
honest field
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot try dungeon slice ... it's not perfectly accurate but not bad
edgy pawn
dungeonslice is bad for assa m+, dont use that
honest field
well every sim for dungeons is bad, because you cannot accuratly write sim for that, unless your wire it fx for atal, those affixes, those pulls, this party this key level ... .... but @edgy pawn what do you think is best? to sim it?
edgy pawn
4-6 targets for 40-60 seconds
1 target 2-3 minutes
after that you hve to use your brain
there's no easy way to do it
dull osprey
Would I delay TB to pair up with vendetta or delay vendetta to pair up with TB?
ie. Vendetta has 20 sec left on cd and TB is up. Do I burn the TB and wait 5 sec for it to be up again for vend?
is it basically which ever will have less negative down time?
dull osprey
gotcha
edgy pawn
still get the whole tb window into vend
dull osprey
so as long as a full TB window will be within vend window, smash buttons
honest field
well everytime he has to think, even this sim is bad for a lot of dungeons. WM whole room with big and hallway together ... FH before 2nd boss, ML, Junk etc etc ... 4 targets 40s your mastery would to stratosphere ... 15 targets for 60 sec with 3 EB you versa pump up ...
tardy nimbus
35% 🤓
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > vers => mastery > haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
gaunt crystal
for people running Assa on Nzoth end boss, may I ask why we're seeing vigor being run over MfD when it can be spammed onto the tentacles
candid jasper
I'm only able to use 3x EB + 2x SS or 3x SS and 2x EB, any thoughts on what people are going for?
autumn girder
VoP Major is simming better for me than blood in patchwerk? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/snND9raNqGJpEWwhuDqC3c
royal lantern
yes?
drowsy scroll
@gaunt crystal Often the tentacles arent an issue during the fight, I would build around your most damage during the "stun" windows and the burn phase in the end as a rogue
gaunt crystal
@drowsy scroll ah amazing bro thank you, so would it still be worth running if Im going thru HC on an alt raid team and we're struggling for tentacle damage? With HC you dont have to rotate the people going "in" either
drowsy scroll
@gaunt crystal I would assume that you might lose "to much" on the boss if you spec it. If tentacles are a big issue I would probably just go Outlaw as the adds in the last phase are gonna be an issue too then
gaunt crystal
@drowsy scroll thanks! 🙂
pseudo hamlet
It depends on your gear.
royal lantern
all stats are pretty close for sin
and corruption effects scale with vers, same with essence etc....
your "best"stat is constantly changing simply because of how close they actually are
pseudo hamlet
exactly, I just simmed myself and one crit gem is +87DPS gain(rest is haste)
hollow talon
i see
man its been so long since i played sin i forgot to put on posions
lol
was wondering why my dummy target damage was so low
gleaming cosmos
Hi to everyone, so much info here it's awesome
Question for you guys when I Sim myself 3xNP and vop major Sim highest so should I try to get more master for NP? Ty
Mastery *
rain frigate
Why does this say to garrote two times in a row in the rotation
?
on this sim
just for the combo points?
pseudo hamlet
You've got SS so that could be the case. And keep in mind that you're using MFD -> garrote -> rupture -> garrote for pandemic effect. So your garrotes would've been empowered for the whole vendetta. And less garrote refreshing during it means more DPS.
(may be wrong tho, just thinking that could be the case)
tardy nimbus
is the Expedient piece still good even if the item doesn't have haste?
harsh sphinx
yes
pseudo hamlet
@tardy nimbus I would sim it before judging, but I guess the more haste you have the better it is. I'd keep it just in case.
harsh sphinx
remember it effects procs as well. quick nav / Overwhelming etc
soft lily
Can anyone confirm if mastery effect Envenom? Or is is just Dots as the tooltip describes
faint harness
where does it say dots
soft lily
It says poisons
shrewd night
soft lily
Excellent
royal lantern
ye its a bit weird that it says poisons instead of nature dmg
probs just a flavor thing
soft lily
I wish they polished the tool tips for more transparency
shrewd night
Tooltips used to be good, but then they became convoluted. So better trust wowhead to show all the data.
soft lily
Good ol’ wowhead
I can obtain rank 9 Masterful. Wondering how that would sim
Just wish I had a script so I can do it from work.
lethal python
!essences
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
blissful cave
is the assa guide still up to date?
shrewd night
The wowhead one is pretty up to date last time I checked
rigid mango
Ours should be pretty up to date too
lost beacon
digital zodiac
anyone here have problems with dodging the absorbing charge for mythic ilgy? have tried everything keep getting hit by it
or do you get hit no matter what if you are the target?
shrewd night
You wont get hit if the tanks are where they should be 
agile phoenix
anyone thats good at playing with sims help me out a little with my character?
rigid mango
Sup
patent topaz
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gohBvUGFKSAe1QAi9kvEm3 77k mementos, is it even worth socketing any of this 🤔
faint harness
Gloves and ring
wdym
do you think ur gotta get a better expedient ring?
400 haste ring with t2 expedient, "not worth socketing"
lean marten
gloves/475wep/ring
faint harness
im fucking tilted
patent topaz
doubt
lean marten
are possibble
lean marten
are you getting mythic kills
patent topaz
not raiding atm, kinda looking for a guild atm
mostly playing outlaw for m+ atm and none of those pieces are in that set which is why im hesitant
lean marten
u dont use any of the same pieces for both sets?
becuase that would be a contender for socket
patent topaz
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rsRSKtRJEjxbs1T6ZECJAv I run for m+. replacing the belt with a 470 crit vers when I want to run <40 corr
faint harness
the boots are a decent socket
works for sin aoe too
if you ever get lucky with azerite pieces and can play sin in m+
patent topaz
saving up for a specific piece atm, my azerite works for assa st and outlaw m+
faint harness
the only thing that would make me swap to outlaw for m+ is a 475 slapper
got 3x SS 2x EB 1x HoD traits for sin m+, which seems to be really good
patent topaz
Finding a guild would be nice. Kinda hard right now
faint harness
EU?
patent topaz
ye
faint harness
got good xp in raiding?
patent topaz
last time I played mythic was bod where we got 5/9 before collapse
8/8 uldir
only hc for curve since then
faint harness
should be plenty of guilds
patent topaz
I was looking for a guild that can clear CE, 3 days per week, around world 500-700 on a decent sized realm. Probably too picky but I dont want to guild hop. Ive literally been in 3 guilds since vanilla
faint harness
Ausr's guild fits the bill quite good
Infinite on tarren mill
but i dunno if they need rogues
patent topaz
Maybe even my DH is better atm, dont really care tbh. Always will be a rogue main though
vagrant tapir
Playing DS/Exsang this week :^)
hasty crater
got a choice between 450 helm with SS and 465 helm with EB, got 2 SS on my chest/shoulders but no EB yet, should i go for the triple SS or the higher ilvl and first EB ?
faint harness
?
lucid musk
hello
can anyone teach me how to play assassination rogue
i'm lvl 71 (by the time anyone sees this message i'll probably be 75 or sth)
i'd appreciate if you pm'd or tagged me if you answer, i might not see the server notifs
strange python
check the pins wow is an easy game do what other people discovered until u reach top100 in the world then u can start running ur own builds / thoughts
lucid musk
i meant
i dont even know the openers or skill rotations
i just switched to assassination from outlaw
:)
i dueled a few times with my friend but it didnt feel like doing much damage
paper relic
I had 10k residuum saved to buy specific pieces, instead I gave in and bought a helm and shoulder, got SS/EB on both, hell yeah 😄
faint harness
giga rng
runic crescent
TD versus mind flay, I see on subcreation mind flay stacking seems to be most popular for m+
Which I finda little strange for AOE situations. Discuss.
faint harness
whats "subcreation"
runic crescent
compiles build info from warcraft logs for various activities
faint harness
cool
runic crescent
so you can look at like, the most common builds for a spec in m+ based on actual logs
runic crescent
seems like TD sims better for me though
faint harness
last weeks weekly key i ran t4 tentacles and it did 17.5 mil dmg
which is a decent number
runic crescent
tentacles =/= mind flay
faint harness
yes
quasi pewter
most common build =/= best build
lean marten
tendies are common with assa because its our guaranteed nylotha drop
runic crescent
I'm confused
where I come from 'tentacles' refers to like unguent caress corruption
I assume you are still talking about mind flay
lean marten
TA = tendies = tentacle = mind flay
feral rune
whats the max corruption u guys recommend
soft lily
What you are comfortable with
Things get interesting 40+
Large open areas you can handle Eye and TFB easily but in tight areas like WCM i prefer not to deal with TFB
runic crescent
depends hugely on the content. Some easy 15 key with a healer I know? I'll run 50+
it's also hugely personal. Some people have the bandwidth to deal with a lot of corruption, some don't
there are CE raiders in my guild that will legit show up to re-clear night with 60+ corruption
and they are fine
feral rune
i have 55 rn just lowered it from 70 tho
runic crescent
yeah like to me that's nutty
feral rune
sim only goes down ~350 dps
lean marten
70 is manageable but spooky and RNG can cuck u hard
wet ruin
anyone know the range of void ritual? from what I've heard its 10 yards, can anyone confirm?
humble tiger
what spec do you recommend for nzoth progression?
i'm equally geared for outlaw and assa
young jewel
Depends on the needs of your raid
If what you need is boss damage (because you’ve got mages, locks, BM, SPriest handling the heavier cleave), then go ass
humble tiger
thanks, that helps a lot!
vast forum
@wet ruin not sure about range but from what i've heard it's very big
like if you have ppl in your raid with it
it will work
wet ruin
I see
lean marten
for the ss opener you: Vend-->TB-->BotE
rigid mango
You bote after tb and vend
strong oak
oki
rigid mango
You want bote to be the GCD before env
strong oak
does it make it so I get 2 env in the window?
rigid mango
If you have to build after bote
not as good as just finishing
bec ye shit luck fucks u potentially
or good luck isn't as good as other
strong oak
so 3 is with good mut rng?
rigid mango
^
vast forum
if you're critcapped for whatever reason, using it before mut would be fine
rigid mango
Worst case scenario if u need to build after bote is mut > env > mut > mut
Worst case scenario if u env after bote is env > mut > mut > env
vast forum
yeap
vast forum
but if you're critcapped it's mut-env-mut-env
or env-mut-env-mut
which makes no difference
rigid mango
It's substantial enough for me to always use subt but I always play SS shit anyways so
vast forum
although i don't use coral for n'zoth
humble tiger
Does Nightstalker count when i use breath of the dying from stealth?
rigid mango
Depends on assignments
gusty mirage
I guess it depends on how long it takes your group to push p3
rigid mango
On prog we had both rogues assigned to pop cds on something iirc?
Maybe only 1
but doubt that's required now
Depends on how many mages u have 
cobalt pelican
you can use a vend in p2 just fine
if you're not using double vend on boss in p1
which is ape strat anyway
i usually just pressed it on the 2nd cyst and got 0 value cause i'm insane brain gamer
rigid mango
ye we just hold for 1st 
gusty mirage
@cobalt pelican 
echo night
So is crit versa the way to go now in keys when 3x EB?
I see more and more people lean towards heavy versa with C&F minor
sour glade
IMO for keys 3x SS 3x EB is the way to go, ideally with as much crit and mastery as you can get.
rigid mango
Depends on dungeon but yes
humble tiger
tested it myself, posting here in case someone was wondering: Breath of the dying is not affected by the dmg buff of Nightstalker
sadface
muted sail
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7WBm1J2afYe7zfNS2ab9ra any tips for single target ?
rigid mango
Get better gear
Get coral and vita
Get r3 breath and lucid
Get better corruption
Get better azerite
Get better daggers
muted sail
ok so the standart things btw what is good solo dps on this spec ?
rigid mango
85k if ur starting to optimise and u have good corr I suppose
rigid mango
Actually high ilvl
rigid mango
all of the raid azerite is good
muted sail
the traits are ok ?
rigid mango
Yeh
drifting cloud
vop minor isnt ideal and finish lucid3
muted sail
tbh i am trying but it takes 1 1/2 months
muted sail
for third ?
peak jungle
!essences
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
rancid bobcat
rank 3 is 10 days
muted sail
wait how ????
rancid bobcat
you get 300 exp a day and you need 3000
muted sail
for the 2cnd rank right ?
cobalt pelican
you need 4800 for rank 3 don't you, but it's still about 10 days when you count tree bark
rigid mango
u just do the dailies and the weekly bark
rancid bobcat
o i lied
rigid mango
you get uhh 2400 rep a week
muted sail
i have one level 16 and one level 10 guy
just keep going
empty ravine
hey can i like
muted sail
omg i was such an idiot
empty ravine
ask a questionb?
rancid bobcat
no
empty ravine
for single target raiding
empty ravine
should you make it so you hhave over 18% or more haste?
rancid bobcat
empty ravine
like i know in pvp you want to have 18-20% haste
rigid mango
Whatever sims best famalam
empty ravine
i thhink
i was just curious if there was a benefit to having haste at around that much
empty ravine
i mean i can easily hahve thhat amount of haste
rancid bobcat
empty ravine
i could make it to like 5% hhaste
rigid mango
Just be like raz and have 49% or w/e
empty ravine
i just wasnt sure if thats like too low
rancid bobcat
very large and fast
peak jungle
Confession time. I'm 9/12m and still using Lucid as my major
rancid bobcat
what do your sims say
rancid bobcat
using ripple in space
rigid mango
Just plays awfully imo
and others are kinda better
but that's no cardinal sin or anything
peak jungle
I just hate the constant capping of energy, especially when hero is popped off the start
Sims saying BotD is 2.1k more dps, might swap
empty ravine
ripple was fancy
empty ravine
i have BotE as my highest sim
i hate everyone
i am simming at like 76k
but to be fair i havent gotten anything to drop for me\
corruption wise
this entire patch
peak jungle
Not sure how BotD is equating to 2.1k more dps on the sim I just linked.. guess i'll just try it out
empty ravine
i still have yet to see a infinite star corr effect
peak jungle
don't look at my MH weapon then
rigid mango
Who cares about IS
peak jungle
Seems to do well on long single tar fights, though for M Ra-Den I used mindflays in lieu of IS because it's such as fast fight
3.5 minutes or something of the sorts, IS would only stack 6-7 times for me at that length of fight
empty ravine
only corr i get like all the time is the mind flay one which isnt bad
i jsut feel like the corr effects id really want are only popping up on the fuckingg items thatare like 420-430 that im getting just from whatever
patent topaz
I got 465 is3 boots from visions but ill never use them
peak jungle
I really like infinite stars, but the problem is that MOST boss fights just simply do not take long enough. Coupled with the fact that the fights that are long tend to have adds which may take up a stack from the boss
true zealot
do i want to stack twist the knife or double dose?
rigid mango
Whatever sims best famalam
rancid bobcat
(but probably double dose)
rigid mango
Stop helping them
rancid bobcat
rigid mango
😴
true zealot
was wondering mainly for pvp
rancid bobcat
soon one day blizz will defeat the simming overlords
true zealot
but i guess this is the wring channel
rancid bobcat
this is the pve discussion
true zealot
yea my fault sry 
viscid lichen
ìf I go vop/bote then I vanish every other vendetta right?
cobalt pelican
no, vanish on cd
drifting cloud
with vop subt should sim higher
drifting cloud
on cd
viscid lichen
for what
drifting cloud
you can delay last one if it doesnt make you lose a cast I guess
viscid lichen
improved garrote?
vast forum
"use vanish when it comes off CD"
if running subterfuge, vanish for garrote
if running ma, vanish for 3 crits
strange python
on cd to cast your 1 empowered garrote
pastel flint
If I use BotE + VoP, do I delay Vendetta + BotE until Vanish is up or do I use Vendetta + BotE on CD?
viscid lichen
vanish+bote on cd
drifting cloud
why would you play vop if youre just gonna delay it, please think of it logically
its like you would unequip an essence
viscid lichen
yea
drifting cloud
or well I guess you get the big 100 vers
vast forum
"if i reduce my 2 min CD to 1.5 min, do i delay the 1.5 min cd to align with my 2 min CD"
patent topaz
uneven aspen
Group 1 mythic nzoth: When I use my vendetta 1. basher > psychus > nzoth, do I use the next vendetta on nzoth or on of the annhilators, or delay it for the secret phase?
vast forum
don't use CDs in mythic phase
drifting cloud
are you playing vop?
drifting cloud
with vop you can use nzoth, nzoth, secret phase, nzoth, nzoth
uneven aspen
first group
vast forum
why would you use it in secret phase tho?
uneven aspen
dunno
drifting cloud
because you dont lose a cast
uneven aspen
was just wondering^^
vast forum
but you hold dps in there anyway
drifting cloud
unless you prefer to hold a 90s cd for 90s
vast forum
well first things first, you shouldn't be using vop if you're in first psychus
uneven aspen
ye im not
vast forum
idk, i've seen many top rogues say it, i haven't theorycrafted it myself
cobalt pelican
prolly best to use your thinker a bit
drifting cloud
on this discord I havent seen that atleast
its not a huge difference using vop or not
I jsut prefer it
cobalt pelican
vend is pretty much always just going to be like
vop: basher1 or 2, psychus or nzoth, neuron basher, nzoth nzoth voidspawn nzoth nzoth
no vop: basher 1, psychus or nzoth, nzoth, nzoth nzoth nzoth
vast forum
i've been using no vop and doing basher 1, nzoth nzoth nzoth nzoth nzoth
but i remember raz saying no vop if you're in first psychus
cobalt pelican
yeah, it's fine, the vop vendettas aren't insanely impactful but it's not like strife is very good either tbh
i think it's more like you can get away without playing vop in 1st group if you want, but you literally can't if you somehow end up in psychus 2
candid jasper
I've seen people running lots of gushing in m+ but is it really better than twilight?
glacial steppe
Is it worth going EB on Carapace or is it just pad dps? Currently running 3x SS, 2x HoD, 1x BBI
drifting cloud
its pointless pad, just focus on boss dmg
crisp hollow
how should vanish be used when running vision minor? should I at least line it with TB?
crisp hollow
what would you replace them with?
tardy nimbus
That's the shitty issue no Stars only have Racing Pulse,Honed Mind and also have another expedient
ok slightly higher
crisp hollow
dont fall for the stars meme
flays way more desirable in actual raid setting
expedient really good too try to work that one in
eternal turtle
is it best to buy helm with titan residuum? since i can get 475 chest/shoulders from heroic?
vast forum
if you don't do mythic, probably, yea
sullen fern
Are you meant to use Vendetta for trash packs at the risk of not having it up for Boss fights? (in Mythic+)
lost horizon
it's not really about 'risk'
you should be able to time it and get usage on trash without sacrificing it for bosses
if you've got 1 quick pull before boss and vendetta is off CD, hold it
if you just killed a boss and there's 5min worth of pulls before next boss.. plenty of free uses there
devout ridge
Hey guys! Just got both raden trinkets, how useful are they for assasination? ^^
devout ridge
whats the other bis trinket would you say?
drifting cloud
better off with dungeon trinkets or coral
devout ridge
kk 🙂
harsh sphinx
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
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stoic token
On weeks without tyrannical affix .. like this week.. for Sin rogue M+ minor should I run conflict over vision minor?
quasi pewter
i personally almost never drop vision minor
cobalt pelican
i don't really like vop i just really hate strife so vop wins by accident
it's kinda nice to broaden the times i can use vendetta without questioning if i'll have it in time for something relevant though
strange python
What stats should I focus on for a mix build of ST/AOE?
its blood minor time boys
first time i had that happen
echo cargo
CDL crushes Blood for me :sigh:
nova viper
does mindflay proc more if you have it in main haind?
raven locust
wispy plaza
@nova viper Nope !
keen moss
what ilvl should i be for +10s?
lost horizon
i don't think there's an easy answer for you there tbh
good play and proper gearing go way farther than raw ilvl
drifting cloud
be 460 or have rio
honest vessel
that should be pretty easy
drifting cloud
theres no real easy way
keen moss
thank u
honest vessel
just do some research and push your own key each week
eventually rio will have people take u ezpz
keen moss
im hitting a wall at 450 ilvl
honest vessel
well if its your key, you cant get declined
and you'll get ilvl thru that
im assuming you dont wanna raid
lost horizon
definitely easiest to just push your own key
static acorn
Worldvein 0 Allies and Breath of the Dying sim dead even for me. Is there anything else i should consider when choosing which to use other than: personal preference, other people using worldvein, and if I'm able to stand still enough on the fight
Minors are lucid, essence, and then breath w/ worldvein, or formless void w/ breath
arctic walrus
Any fight with additional targets you can get execute damage/reduced cd from breath
any fight with any bit of movement, or literally just rng worldvein ends up sucking
static acorn
I've also been told by ppl i raid with that breath is sometimes annoying to use on fights where the first and last 20% get blown through
not sure if thats just personal preference thing or just learning how to time the cd/usage right
Like if the cd comes up and the boss is gonna get below 20% in <30 seconds you hold it so that you dont waste cd or whatever
also not sure if that ends up actually being worth it or not
honest vessel
think about it
using it 30 seconds away from execute means it'll be up 15 seconds after execute
holding for 30 secs for execute causes the same thing
static acorn
I meant it more as in, yeah you get more usages out of it but not sure if theres a different threshhold where like, you're better off using it when its convenient to fit into your rotation vs using it elsewhere
arctic walrus
Like, maybe if the boss is at 30%, you would hold it then
static acorn
like idk how much priority it should take over a toxic blade window or whatever
arctic walrus
you don't have to exactly know when the boss is 30s from getting to 20%
honest vessel
if the boss is in execute i think its probably the most important button to press
arctic walrus
still, better and more reliable than wv for sure I would say
honest vessel
and more fun :)
on nzoth sometimes i just turn into a machine gun pewing down spike tendies and phages
its awesome
honest vessel
tru
static acorn
esp when im tanking it
you just fuckin stand around
get seed
run seed
get back
stand
fucking nothing to do
arctic walrus
and like 3/4 of nyalotha is not strictly st, so you get a lot of added value
main tendon
why on the opener rotation do u use vanish ?
shrewd night
Because uuuh.. talents make it a dps increase?
main tendon
sorry that was a stupid question
But hey as major should i go with botd, blood or clf ? (pure ST)
shrewd night
Depends on your sim results.
main tendon
botd wins
shrewd night
Then, there you go.
main tendon
k
strange python
hello sass buds! question- for single target i know i want to go with haste as my secondary stat. at some point is there a soft cap for it or can i just go crazy w/ stacking it?
(asking here before i go to the raidbots gods)
you can go crazy with simming
how fitting that you answer hehe
proven smelt
question guys, how intensive is sin in m+? I would like to try sin out and I like the fact that it's one of the lowest apm classes available. but the thing is that I only play m+ and I'm scared that it will be too much to handle for me in aoe situations.
strange python
it's very easy
spice sparrow
It's not that hard
strange python
just keep some dots up, spam some fok, envenom some baddies
spice sparrow
just make sure you got good unit frames to keep track of your blee
I really enjoy assa in m+, alot more then outlaw
proven smelt
I guess you mean nameplates?
spice sparrow
correct*
proven smelt
how many dots should you track / have up at all times
spice sparrow
you should take a look at RyfieTV discord, you has nice easy guide
3x empowerd garrote, rupture the rest and start 4+ combo evenoms on prio target
But!, Assa m+ is heavenly depented on your Azerite traits
in Tyr weeks 3xSS +2EB +1HoD is good, fort you pref 3x SS 3x EB
all those pieces you can only get from the vendor
proven smelt
not from the raid?
spice sparrow
nop, the raid doesn't drop pieces with SS and EB only vendor
proven smelt
You're saying I need to track 3x empowered garrote. can you apply those more than once per combat? I guess with vanish but that isn't every pull is it?
spice sparrow
stealth -> subteruge give you a window to get 3 garrots out
proven smelt
yea, exactly. but if vanish on cooldown you can't extend or reapply the empowered garrote during the duration right?
spice sparrow
correct
proven smelt
Thank you for answering my question 🙂
onyx hedge
Hey can anyone do me a favour, got some new shit recently and i dont have premium and it takes forever to sim shit, anyone mind just doing 1-2 in the background?
strange python
sure
onyx hedge
sec ill link the sim its about to finish
strange python
give over pastebin
onyx hedge
u can go from there
strange python
or that yea
strange python
sub 40 corr?
onyx hedge
never kno
if you look at my pieces i haven't got many lately and the ones i have gotten are all in the same slot
just killed vexiona last raid night so the chest will get upgraded soon but no raden for a while :I
strange python
onyx hedge
cheers
i dont know how i feel about running subterfuge over MA
dont even know how that sims better, i have nothing to complement a subterfuge playstyle
@strange python
onyx hedge
mmm
sterile ocean
i got a question does anyone have a weak aura by any chance that tracks Crimson tempest?
onyx hedge
@strange python im simming it right now, but for now dont you think that MA would be better with my setup?
onyx hedge
yeah
i cant remember the last time i played subterfuge
lol
Is it still mutilate opener? or because not MA not worth?
@strange python
strange python
g m (m) r
onyx hedge
ye thought so
strange python
and only 1 g after vanish in st
onyx hedge
vers is simming higher for atm, and particular reason you went crit?
strange python
im lazy
onyx hedge
true
ashen oriole
How do you weave Coral and Bote into the Opener "One or more Shrouded Suffocation powers for Toxic Blade"
quasi pewter
you always apply coral as soon as possible and bote before your first envenom
warm parcel
there is no weaving lol
you just apply it to boss
and past opener, you use it with vendetta
sacred ore
Should I sim my corruptions?
I mean does it give me right results for simming corruptions?
royal lantern
baseline limit is 39 wich is pretty reasonable for progression
royal lantern
thats why i said progression^^
arctic walrus
for most content nowadays yeah that's pretty acceptable
if you're doing something where you don't want to risk extra damage, you can run 39
vagrant tapir
Is there a reason specific to nzoth other than the players just having the gear to be able to support exsanguinate, that has players running exsang on nzoth>?
rigid mango
Psychus damage.
vagrant tapir
cause exsang is better burst?
deft owl
hi guys, is dungeon slice good for assassination sims?
vagrant tapir
and the cd lines up well possibly?
Not it is not
Dungeon slice is particularly bad for sin
deft owl
thank you
rigid mango
Yes, exsang is really reliable, condensed burst
With 3 SS NP you have the highest burst possible
drifting cosmos
why is dgn slice bad for sin
rigid mango
It does get restealths tho 
It's more the fact that sin changes a lot with pull sizes and length of bosses, and the traits are a direct reflection of what they do in game
EB will do more aoe, SS more cleave and so on. Outlaw on the other hand simply doesn't change its rotation, it's just binary. ST or 2+, even at that diff it's just using bladeflurry and changing your reroll prio a bit.
lean marten
dooky api got it
finite moss
How much haste does one need for triple SS build
rigid mango
There's no need
There's only simming oneself
Expidient pieces makes 3 SS exsang DS better, but you need several to make it work 😄
cursive meteor
Main stat prio? i feel like im lacking in dmg, with a lot of Mastery
rigid mango
Gj @rigid mango
Thanks @rigid mango
Just gonna start speaking to myself as most people seem to be ignoring what I say anyways 🙂
rigid mango
@rigid mango is the only friend I ever need
@rigid mango
W/e I've lost my mind at this point
hollow ether
assassination rogue is so fun. started with outlaw a little over a month ago, but so happy i got a second dagger and was able to play this spec.
sacred ore
I use Force Multiplier on my main hand and deadly navigation on off hand
Is it right tho?
faint harness
What does the sim oracle tell you
rigid mango
small radish
Sim sim salabim
mystic crest
does haste affect dot tick speed?
sacred ore
The future is here peeps
tacit steppe
Ya... got here a couple years ago
