#assassination
crimson palm
fleet anchor
it's worth noting that I think it's a little buggy on Ilgynoth because of the despawn-but-not-really mechanics
If you notice here it's basically juggling multiple debuffs
And I suspect on your second use you are only getting a buff from that orphaned 1 stack on the organ
crimson palm
At 2:00 it consumes the stacks from Ilgy and it looks okay, but wtf is happening after that
And I'm 100% sure blood should not have a single coral stack
turbid osprey
Yo what am I doing wrong on maut here? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4dwYFG2gnBmj1yZq/#fight=6&type=damage-done
Started playing with subt since it’s simming higher but I feel like I’m not playing it right
drifting cloud
how much do you sim
hushed maple
then you did not too much wrong
6k dps diff between sim and maut
is alright
I think
I think your biggest mistake might be not having Stars 
turbid osprey
Hah
Does that not just 1 hit you on maut though
Just pray to be full hp when it procs I guess
Or be in cloak
turbid osprey
Yeah my corruptions are kinda shite
Thought I might be turning a corner when I got carapace dagger last week finally
But nah
Don’t look at hive mind oh god it hurts
turbid osprey
Is it because it’s going after 2nd reflect phase?
opal minnow
yeah
turbid osprey
Ahh
opal minnow
teams have been beating that for a month or so
turbid osprey
Not us 
opal minnow
or it dies right after
turbid osprey
I’ll just pray we don’t fail to feed shad and I can get a food parse on him next week by not dying lmao
turbid osprey
Is there a specific way to use coral with subt btw
Or do you just pop it when you vend and vanish garrotte when it’s due as normal?
tropic ocean
How to use Razer Coral trinket?
- For Assa, apply it as soon as possible and consume stacks with each Vendetta, reapply after.
lethal imp
I just came back to the game and startiing paying my rogue. what are the main stats i would be looking for to do mythic+ ? what a good percent for each stat as well ?
strange python
crit/mastery is pretty good
crimson palm
@fleet anchor i was checking my vod, it seems like the secons usage consumes the stacks from ilgy and debuffs at the same time. Then everything bugs out with coral
lethal imp
@strange python any idea what i should be getting percent wise for both ? what about haste ?
fleet anchor
Coral gets mega buggy on respawns and stuff. Happened on Azshara sometimes too
crimson palm
So is there a way to play around it?
fleet anchor
Probably would be safer to either just leave it on the boss (I think it's still there when he comes back) or manually use right before he fake dies
crimson palm
Like make sure I get consistent usage?
hoary snow
how good is strikethrough II? worth running 48 corruption for it? or just cleanse?
crimson palm
Hmm that would work, but it's not overlapping that way all the time
strange python
@lethal imp more crit than mastery and as little haste as possible (someone correct me)
hoary snow
@strange python really no haste at all? I thought it was kinda good till 20% but that might have been outdated info or something? in that case i've been focusing on wroooong gear =[
fleet anchor
I would need to double check what happens if you leave it on the boss when he despawns
It has been a while since I tried it
crimson palm
If you check my log, I do that
That's before 3rd organ
And when I use it on organ, it doesn't consume but applies only (unlike the first time)
And he respawns with 0 stacks
Check this out
I apply coral, get new stacks, I use coral to consume them, old stacks are back
magic fossil
Expedient 3 or IS 1, IS simc for 1.6k higher. Any advice?
scarlet sequoia
expedient
honest vessel
IS is really good at simming
expedient is more consistent
fits more bosses
i'd pick exp every time
fleet anchor
@crimson palm Yeah the behavior is really strange
strange python
Should an assassin rogue be able to 1v1 a healer
prime void
in what context
strange python
In 2v2 arena let’s say where dampening is a thing
strange python
Are there any classes that a sin rogue would have an easy time to 1v1? Any impossible 1v1s?
Alrighty
vague rock
if you have the right pvp talents most classes are easy to 1v1 but if you run into someone in world pvp with raid setup for example it might be hard
fading walrus
hey guys so, i got my azerite pieces for keys, 465 ilvl all 3 of them, 3x SS 2xEB 1xNP
was wondering the 475 ones are they all from the vendor ?
vague rock
most of them yes, there might(?) be some ss/ttk or ss/hod pieces from raid though
fading walrus
i really love what im running so was wonderng if i find better ones when it comes to the inner 2 circlers
cz like iw as saving the 20k resi to buy the pvp one but i noticed that maut drops one with ttk so no point in wasting 20k for 1 item
vague rock
yeah you probably should swap out np for ttk if you can. But idk which pieces are bis for that setup, you probably want to get blood siphon and resoundings
fading walrus
i wonder if icyvein has a guide on bis pieces somewhere
vague rock
have you tried simming droptimizer for azerite?
might give you an idea of what to roll for
astral tiger
Anyone that's like 6/12-12/12M, what are you guys usually simming on ST sin?
fading walrus
im not familiar with sim that much i just use top gear and stuff
droptimizer is to comapre what i dont have right ?
vague rock
Yes it finds the best azerite pieces for you from the vendors or raid
vague rock
it will be less accurate for aoe because i'm not sure if it properly does stealth resets for garrotes in dslice but it should give you an idea of what is top
jovial adder
on mythic n'zoth during paranoia is there a macro to step to your friend?
umbral mauve
anyone played Vop major + 3xNp on N'zoth?
bronze wagon
I have that same question, I saw some logs for nzoth with VoP in major and minor on nzoth and was wondering whats up
umbral mauve
you have better timings with vop overall
indigo sinew
Is the aoe opener in pinned messages with echoing blades or doesn't matter
sand whale
yeah I'm playing vop major + 3x np for nzoth
rigid mango
Idk vop major seems bad but minor is fine
umbral mauve
looks like a minor upgrade for me as major essence but has more rng in the min/max dps, so idk
sand whale
bote is way more consistent and useful I'm just playing for the lols
umbral mauve
what's the timings for vendetta with vop ? First or second basher, psychus, basher, then n'zoth ?
rigid mango
The issue is proccing on dead shit/neurons/99% dmg reduc nzoth
sand whale
not sure how you got assigned but for me its 2nd basher psychus basher basher etc til boss
rigid mango
For me I've always done pull > psychus/nzoth > basher > nzoth > nzoth > secret chamber > nzoth for rest
umbral mauve
did my kill without vop, had only 1 vendetta in last phase and losing one on basher after first psychus. feels bad delaying like that
sand whale
well I don't think vop is necessary just depends on the comp ours is a bit set since we're melee heavy
we have 4 rogues :>
2x 2min 2x 1.5
as long as your tentacles and psychus are consistent since switching to VOP means dmg distribution is diff
umbral mauve
yea i see
we were just bad at dmg in last phase, rest isnt really a problem
usually a bit too fast on psychus
next arch
If im running BoTe should i run VoP > Focusing iris minor.
rigid mango
Depends on the fight and what sims best 🙂
weary sequoia
For m+, should i be saving vanish for the spires? Or just deal with not opening from stealth when i go down
strong oak
yea there is enough time to restealth
Is bote only good with coral and master assassin?
for st
I cannot get it above condensed
honest vessel
its good with subt, idk how much coral impacts it, i think it actually might hurt it based on crit levels and such
clf very well just might sim better
but blood is nice for burst windows in practce
strong oak
Also quick question
for quick sims, is the mutilate both mutilate and double dose stacked?
Ahh it is there is a little arrow. mb
swift moss
how do you open with ss, tb, and blood?
bronze kelp
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
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https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
ocean void
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
keen dome
@swift moss should be in the guides but its something along garrote mut rupt vendetta tb bote env
echo cargo
15x gushing wounds xd
hoary snow
how good/bad is torment in a jar for m+? I saw in sims it comes out on top for aoe, but i don't really see many ppl using it, i got a 460 version of it
hoary snow
so would go coral + titan?
faint harness
not a big m+ player
but why would you play titanshard
i thought haste was bad for m+
winter gale
I think he meant torment 😄
hoary snow
oh just cuz lot of the topb uilds used it 😂
winter gale
U saw that on raider io page ?
hoary snow
think so but could b wrong
winter gale
That page shows gear char is wearing momen that char synced I think so it doesent need to be as u see it. But I may be wrong
drifting cosmos
You can see the rest of his gear to determine if he's in a raid setup or m+ setup
winter gale
Yes, indeed
hoary snow
does it have a high ppm?
hoary snow
that's not bad no
hoary snow
some day i'll get that coral,, think next week i'll even coin for it 😂
quasi pewter
coral+vita is a good combo for m+
drifting cosmos
Hows the other one, the vers one
quasi pewter
bad
tropic ocean
its decent-ish but i'd use spyglass over it
or mythic vita as well
(this is 475 version)
gray abyss
Hey guys, i have a problem, im so bad at dual speccing (getting multiple azerite and stats, and i want to be viable in every aspect of the game, I eas playng outlaw but it kind of sucked in pvp compared to sin, also raids felt underwhelming to sin, but outlaw shine in m+ dont they? I tried sin i mythic+ and damage was okay not too bad, would i be able to push 15+ as sin if i wanted? And also how do i aoe as a sin rogue on multiple targets, how do i weave in with the blood of the enemy in the rotation?
I think i also like sin more in terms of gameplay
tropic ocean
yes ofc
theres many 3k+ sin players
M+ AoE Openers
With Crimson Tempest talented
G1 G2 G3 CT FoK R1 BotE 5xFoK
Without Crimson Tempest
G1 G2 G3 R1 FoK Env BotE 5xFoK
gray abyss
Oh there are? 😁
tropic ocean
yeah
even 4k sin
basically u can push up to 22/23 with literally every spec/group setup in the game
super min maxing comp only matters at like highest keys
gray abyss
Oh damn, thanks alot, copied your aoe rotation
gray abyss
Ah well, just tab targeting real quick then
One last question if i mat
May*
Like the vendetta cd is singletarget should i still use it on aoe packs when i do m+? Because sometimes it just sit there out of cooldown
tropic ocean
yes when there is a hard mob
or a mob with higher hp that u want to die to not super shitty place sanguines
you most likely also play with vision as minor essence which makes vendetta usable a lot more
(or on the obelisk mobs)
gray abyss
Which minors are the go to?
tropic ocean
lucid breath vision
gray abyss
Ah i see, thanks
tropic ocean
depending on the keystone lvl and group dps (might be harder on +15 if group has high dps this week) u will be able to use 2x vendetta on boss as well with it
which significantly increase ur boss output
gray abyss
Aa so i use it at pull first then
tropic ocean
yeah
and then when its ready again u vanish garrote and vendetta again with bote
and coral extract
gray abyss
Will keep that in mind
tropic ocean
theres few exceptions like the 2nd boss on siege of boralus
u will hold vendetta until he comes back down from ship
etc
but generally on pull y
gray abyss
Ye i understand, thanks again mate
tropic ocean
np
round crypt
anyone have a good debuff timer that shows empowered rupture/garrote timers? Used to have one in legion but uninstalled :/
tropic ocean
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
round crypt
ah sweet thank you didn't know that was a command
tropic ocean
np
can personally recommend mizerok's one hes also in discord and very helpful if u have questions or want to change smth in it
round crypt
awesome, thanks for the recommendation
gray abyss
Im sorry but i forgot to ask one thing 😉 , i know assassination is mainly a ST spec, but when i sim my character for m+ should i still sim using the dungeon slice? or should i just sim for ST?
faint harness
dungeon slice isnt great for sin
you could try multiple targets 40 sec - 1 min, ST 2-3 min
and find a good middle ground for your build
but its def more annoying/difficult than simming outlaw for instance
gray abyss
multiple targets, should i use for like 3 target?
faint harness
depends on how big your pulls are on average i guess
gray abyss
is it the "hectic add cleave"?
gray abyss
aa ok thanks
faint harness
you have the "number of bosses" option
you could add "light movement" maybe
but i would argue you usually have close to full uptime on aoe in m+
rigid mango
I mean you should, in most dungeons atleast
gray abyss
ok so like sim ST and 3 Targets for like 2 min and then do something between them?
faint harness
3 targets for 2 minutes
doesnt really sound realistic to me
trash packs of 3 doesnt last that long and can skew the sim
gray abyss
ok but like 1 min then
gray abyss
so the ST and multiple targets use all azerite traits different, which should i go for? nah im doing like 12s atm, but im aiming for 15s soon
faint harness
like if you sim patchwerk but with 3 targets, the bot will act differently and certain azerite traits will be better. Thats my understanding at least
it wont just sit on 1 target and not cleave
rigid mango
From my experience with simming, the more variables you add the more clouded the results are
Skew the timers, skew the target counts
etc
faint harness
m+ is not easy to sim reliably for assassination i feel like
faint harness
whenever i do m+, and keep in mind i dont push keys, i do my weekly 15s and maybe some 16. I just feelcraft my shit
gray abyss
im gonna sim everything Zine
gray abyss
Sorry zine, im noob , dont know what ss is short for 😄
rigid mango
For most dungeons you're probs best off just going SS > EB > HoD > TTK/BBI/Swirl > 1st NP
Shrouded suffocation
faint harness
its the garrote trait
rigid mango
Granted your tank doesn't perma chainpull
And you're allowed a split second to resteatlh between pulls
It's the strongest trait for assa
Gives the best single target, best 2-3T and still nuts on big aoe. Also best priority damage
EB (Echoing blades) is one of the better traits for overall, but it isn't used in dungeons such as kr/siege/ws/tyr ToS because of the smaller pull sizes
rigid mango
Heart of darkness seems very underrated but is preeetty damn good and a good option when EB isn't the pick^
Or just a good pick at any given point
tropic ocean
hod is better in low trash dungeons cuz u cant reliable proc echoing blades
due to small pull size
rigid mango
TTK/Blightborne/Swirling/1st NP are all kinda the same thing
tropic ocean
hod is just always active
rigid mango
A bit meh but work out just fine
tropic ocean
no rng involved
faint harness
you dont have many options it seems
gray abyss
thanks alot!
rigid mango
Also swap your daggers around 😄
rigid mango
always high ilvl in your mainhand
and ur trinkets are literally the worst trinekts in the game soo
gray abyss
if i switch my daggers, should i also switch enchants on them+
faint harness
impossible right
faint harness
@gray abyss https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mGTkLHgEKiAZ3JBnGuajwz
some easy gains
gray abyss
Oh i see, you really helping me, im an old paladin main, so i kind of suck ^.^
I also have 415 pants with Infinite stars rank 3 , should i use them or the mind flay?
faint harness
dont think u want force multiplier
should def use the mindflay
ur legs option are A: better, and has a socket
and B: mindflay is generally better in m+ cus IS dmg drops with multiple targets
winter gale
Bois, how to use Coral when paired with Vita?
gray abyss
oh ok i see
winter gale
I used it only with font so far
faint harness
well you apply it instantly
gray abyss
btw Zine, you said my trinkets are litterarly the worst in the game, which do i want for M+?
winter gale
Ok
winter gale
Ty, ty
faint harness
@gray abyss Coral from eternal palace is good, spyglass from siege of boralus, vita from ra-den, torment in a jar from xanesh
but in ur case, i think almost any trinket is better
gray abyss
Harlans loaded dice not good?
faint harness
but as my sim showed, you should replace the cannonball with ur bijou
rigid mango
But y, give or take everything else is better
gray abyss
ye i did
rigid mango
Torment is fine dmg wise but has a tendency to pull random shit
rigid mango
y
gray abyss
oh i see lool
faint harness
but coral should be easy to get
rigid mango
cough TD cough
faint harness
i think it will be hard to get into a mythic group atm, with ur current gear
but get some higher ilvl and you'll be fine
there are multiple EP weekly mythic runs going
and first 4 are free atm
gray abyss
ok, do i need to know tacts? or will we just dps everything down quick?
faint harness
doesnt hurt to check fatboss guides or something
just so u dont get kicked for misplays
weekly lockout so you cant go in with another raid
gray abyss
i see, gonna try that, thanks for all your good advices
which trinket i would change first for bijou and mydas talisman?
rigid mango
Idk, just try to find literally w/e to replace them at this point
faint harness
you can sim it once u have the trinket
languid sail
so HOD> BBI?
gray abyss
ok so just gonna sim like you did then , 3 target 40 second?
faint harness
im not completely sold on the sim-type, but ye maybe
my group would prob pull bigger than 3 targets at a time
faint harness
@gray abyss also, make sure to change the sim to "nightly" build. It might not matter atm, but for future uses you shoudl always use nightly as it has the most recent changes implemented. You change it in the advanced options.
magic pasture
how do you use coral on the vendetta on pull with its 15s delay before you can reactivate it
scarlet sequoia
u apply it on opener and then you consume the stacks on 2nd vendetta
then u reapply it
and consume the stacks 3rd vendetta
etc etc
faint harness
If the idea in your head is that it doesnt seem logical/doesnt work
Its probably cus it doesnt work
magic pasture
4s precombat Font, Coral ASAP to start stacking.... Font when ready again at 1:56, Vendetta before next TB around 2:10, Coral into it at 2:16.
faint harness
And it just becomes a stupid question
magic pasture
i read tc updates like a good boy
woven pine
In an ideal world yeah you'd 4s precombat font but, play it safe and do it around 7s pull timer, gives you time to move to the boss in stealth, prepot and it allows your coral stacks to be consumed throughout most of your 2nd vendetta window, I haven't played with Font in a couple of weeks though but, don't make it harder on yourself and miss out on stuff.
obtuse perch
whats the best way of multi dotting aspix and adderis so you dont get raped by the lightning shield?
scarlet sequoia
focus macros
strange python
https://gyazo.com/aceb8947e2fa8665d21bb3c6be7a982a
what does subterfuge have to do with TA?
obtuse perch
hmmm so you use a focus macro for rupture and garrote and you can dot without AAing?
ty
haughty vault
What is the best way to handle energy outside Lucid Dreams? Not spam buttons like crazy? Esp. ST sometimes it's slow
faint harness
@strange python sim variance?
strange python
idk why would they showcase it as a dps gain with subterfuge then? idfk maybe u are right
faint harness
T8 severe in m+ with 475 spyglass and coral is fun
55% crit with food buff
had 73% average crit over entire m+ on all abilities
tropic ocean
@strange python it doesnt show that its a dps gain for twisted
it shows whats the highest talent+corruption combo per trait
cunning quarry
Hey guys, quick question from a rookie rogue. I hate multidotting in multitarget situations abd its led me to just play entire different classes because i dont find it fun. I've come back to rogue and have talented in Tempest instead. However im worried im going to miss out on a fair bit of single target dps as im using toxic blade too? Any advice? Could i perhaps use tempest for m+ and dungeons then bomb for raids?
shrewd night
gray abyss
@rigid mango and @faint harness i got the ashvane corall 445 you told me to get 😄
got it from bonus roll 😄
rigid mango
gray abyss
haha, so which one i wanna switch , the bijou or the mydas talisman?
faint harness
how did you manage to get into a mythic EP group already
gray abyss
dude i have no idea
faint harness
well gz
gray abyss
they only invited 470+
faint harness
you should sim it
gray abyss
ok
faint harness
mydas is terrible, but bijou aint much better so honestly cant tell
gray abyss
probally wont matter too much
lol, sims tell me i get lower dps from ashvane corall???
faint harness
show sims
faint harness
ah
might be because of the 40 second
duration
the thing with coral is that its really good since you apply it everytime the cd is ready and then you should more or less have a crit buff rolling for most of the dungeon
and that doesnt really show in a 40 sec sim
faint harness
depends
i apply it to the target im focusing in aoe
you never consume the buff
you get the crit buff from just killing the target with it
that way you should always have the cd up for every pack
so you only apply it on trashpacks, you only consume it on bosses
faint harness
usually you dont get another set of cds
but usually with vendetta
otherwise when you think the boss dies in 20 sec
or the buff is wasted
gray abyss
aah ok
faint harness
Apply the trinket-target dies-you get crit. Next pack you still have the crit buff, apply to new target-target dies-you get crit
and so on
might take a bit to get used to, but once you do its a nutty trinket
gray abyss
I see, im gonna train on that alot 😄
crimson palm
Is it me or is il'gynoth never losing coral stacks, despite activations?
subtle tundra
its buggy
crimson palm
Yeah I know, I've been trying to figure out a consitent usage since yesterday
Conditions are almost the same
wet ruin
on our kill yesterday I only used it on boss and consumed it on him, and it didn't bug, I don't know if there is something specific that makes it bug or its just random
dull parcel
can someone help me with corruption gear?
crimson palm
@wet ruin can you send a log?
Think I found the issue, when you consume it on an organ, it looks like it properly consumes the stacks that you have on ilgynoth but doesn't remove the debuff apparently and everything goes haywire after this
cobalt pelican
nothing really goes haywire, you just need to reapply it to ilgynoth once
when ilgynoth is downstairs and holding coral stacks you can essentially treat them like they're not there, if you use it on an organ and pull it from an organ you just need to reapply to ilgynoth once for it to continue stacking
the only issue you'll run into is if you leave your coral on an organ, and don't reclaim that crit before it leaves
crimson palm
Using it on an organ gives you a consume buff with the stacks from Ilgy
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3CRBxw2mk8Zr6H1z/#fight=13&type=damage-done&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24auras-gained%24-1%24114437211.0.0.Rogue%240.0.0.Any%24true%240.0.0.Any%24true%24303570^0%24Separate%24%23909049%24casts%24-1%24114437211.0.0.Rogue%240.0.0.Any%24true%240.0.0.Any%24true%24303564^0%24Separate%24%23a04D8A%24auras-gained%241%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%240.0.0.Any%24true%24303568%2495&source=19 you can see here at around 2:00 when I use it on an organ, I get a buff
cobalt pelican
have you actually checked the coral stacks on the buff ingame t hat you have
crimson palm
I was looking at my vod, when il'gynoth respawns he doesn't have the debuff
cobalt pelican
he should have, can you see all enemy debuffs or just your own/a coral weakaura?
crimson palm
applied as soon as he spawned
consumed -> i have the buff and he has old 13 stacks on him
both
check the portrait, first debuff is coral
and my weakaura is above my portrait
cobalt pelican
yeah, because you didn't pull your coral stacks from the organ first probably
cobalt pelican
the only two options are either like rotating them around a lot and ending up only being able to claim coral crit on ilgy after a bit (like.. apply ilgy, apply organ, pull organ, apply ilgy to refresh stack, pull ilgy with vend later in this phase)
or you just leave it on ilgy all fight
and pull with a big vend
during the final burn
which is likely the better option for progress tbh
even though it's kinda shitty overall
crimson palm
I use it on organ 4
When the organ dies it doesn't pull the stacks
So yeah, that's the issue
crimson palm
wtf
cobalt pelican
and start spam casting the blood spawn
crimson palm
Check the last log then
cobalt pelican
it's just the way they designed the mobs idk it's stupid
crimson palm
the 2nd buff I get
That's from organ 2 "dying"
I don't cast coral and I have the buff
And somehow the adds get debuffs at the same time
cobalt pelican
i'm not sure why you got a crit buff there, it's possible the organs have some really delayed debuff cleanse or something
oh no, it's just the debuff falling
crimson palm
So to get a consistent usage, I apply it on pull, kill first boss, don't apply on organ, apply it on respawn on second boss and then consume on second boss?
How?
Cast is at 2:29 no?
cobalt pelican
yeah that would give you consistent usage
crimson palm
Oh the 1:52 cast you mean
cobalt pelican
organ2 has your coral on it at 1:38 even though the cast is only at 1:52
crimson palm
wtf
cobalt pelican
and when it expires at 3:38 you're getting that buff
no idea what'd cause that tbh, unless it's some jank ass cross player interaction
magic thorn
Hey Guys when looking at these Sims:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/26j5HwaMmj34fgRQZUskdr ST
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3e6sLnDxpdteHXyxT4RLE4 Dungeon Slice
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/whpUQjtnNdV83WKYpNprXL 6T 40s
Would you rather suggest i should buy the echoing/ss head or go gamble for one of the chests ?
crimson palm
What are the timings like with that usage, do I get enough stacks after vendetta ends?
Since the initial cooldown will delay vendetta
cobalt pelican
you get plenty of stacks, since if you're not putting coral anywhere else all your ppm juice is saved up
timing wise it should end up okay i think it varies depending on how fast/slow you kill the organs, just look through your own log and check when the boss comes up
crimson palm
I think I'll be OK
cobalt pelican
i'd probably gamble for chest unless you're sitting on a lot of dust @magic thorn
crimson palm
I was running VoP, had a vendetta for each organ and each boss
We were lacking a bit of organ damage due to a small roster issue but should still be ok for next attempt
Vendetta came back up at around 50% of the boss which should be ideal with the initial cd
magic thorn
Sitting on 12K atm, im worried if i gamble on chest and only get shit it was worthless, but 20K is much for the helm so i wanted opinions 😄
crimson palm
@cobalt pelican https://www.twitch.tv/videos/581564915?t=3h11m16s check this shit out
at 7:37 combat time
the rupture applied coral
cobalt pelican
if i had to randomly shoot a guess then, casts that would apply a stack to ilgy while he's in stasis are applying to your target
pretty jank though
crimson palm
It's weird
Check the coral usage just afterwards
He has 4 stacks, I consume them for the last vendetta
He has 13 stacks 
faint harness
Coral is just really weird on that fight
Nothing more to it
Why go so deep into such an easy explanation
You can play around it, so just do it. If there is a bug, Blizzard wont fix it anyway cus its so niche/minimal
gray abyss
would you play with Blood of the enemy instead of Focusing iris in m+ even if your blood of the enemy is blue?
or should i just sim it?
patent topaz
blood is terrible unless it is rank 3
gray abyss
😦
gray abyss
Alliance lose every bg
gray abyss
oh shit, didnt see
gray abyss
yep, i didnt think of that, thanks alot again mate
strange python
if you build for it yes
faint harness
I've found it very consistent, but the highs are higher for outlaw
Got 3x SS and 2x EB + 1 HoD
subtle salmon
the build requires correct azerite traits?
subtle salmon
damn lol
faint harness
3x SS is good tho
fleet whale
SS traits are fine if you have them for ST. Try to find pieces with Double Dose and nothing personal
twist the knife is ok too
subtle salmon
outlaw and assassin have different stat prio?
shut geyser
boys i need assisstance
can someone tell me the opener when possible
mid raid and i'm shit
bleak sedge
Heyo Guys icy veins states that i should ppol energy before using envenom? How much energy should i pool? I use Vigor
@shut geyser opener is pinned i think
shut geyser
doesnt seem like it
strong oak
i mean there is like 7 different openers for assa
What are your talents and azerite traits?
I'll post a screeny of your opener
tier 30 and 90 talents that is
shut geyser
subterfuge and toxic blade
traits i have
2 ss, 2 nothing personal & 2 double dose
sorry 1 dd 1 twist the knife
i dont understand assa nor the dot management
split cipher
reapply during pandemic window and don't override an empowered garrote
strange python
Did you read the Guides? Like, Basic gameplay is super easy.
Build CP with mutilate, keep up garrote and rupture and refresh them within pandemic window, use Toxic Blade on CD with sufficient Energy and CP to get 3 enevenoms during TBs duration
Vendetta/vanish usage etc. is outlined in the Guides
shut geyser
pandemic?
literally i just respecced cos im in an alt run with some guildies
and have no idea what im doing
strange python
Check the pinned Messages
Pandemic is explained there
And it also has links to the Guides
ionic hemlock
RIP, I moved back to my home realm. My addons reset and all my talents and now I am totally drawing a blank on talent builds lol.
shy dust
It’s a pretty standard build that’s run this tier
The only thing that really changes is whether subterfuge or master assassin is better
ionic hemlock
I've been running Tempest for M+ a lot but I didn't even know master assassin is a thing, ugh.
lol, I am just confused as to why when I copy and past my addons from the old server to the new one but nothing is showing up
ionic hemlock
I don't even see that pandemic in the pins
shut geyser
strange python
pandemic means if u reapply under 30% of the original duration of ur rupture for example it will be on top of the new duration of ur rupture
ionic hemlock
So instead of waiting for it to get close to dropping your just applying it sooner?
shut geyser
what about vendetta/vanish cds
assuming you dont hold vendetta
still lost on the opener
ionic hemlock
Dumb question, how do you sim for raids? just patchwerk for like 3 or 5 min? or would dungeon slice work?
quasi pewter
for raids patchwerk 5 min is standard
ionic hemlock
gotcha
If I was a stronger rogue, it wouldn't matter but I want to make sure I didn't mess up my talents and gear lol
crimson palm
For what content
rigid mango
Bote/botd
wicked cradle
Anyone got a macro that will cast garrote over rupture?
grave trail
Whut
wicked cradle
just looking for 1 button to do both if I'm stealthed or not
wicked cradle
lol
rigid mango
(hint, you super often do)
civic hatch
I was just thinking of that guy who vanish rupture
lean marten
nightstalker meta lul
fading walrus
if i got a head 480 and it has scent of blood and echoing blades
so now im running 3xEBs and 2SS and no NP
is this bad ?
+1 scent of blood on 480 ilvl
cunning geyser
Hey in warcraftlogs I see a lot of rogues running vita charged titanshard on ST fights. I got one but it seems lower than a 435 font of power or/and galecaller boon 460
how come ?
harsh sphinx
just because it sims lower for you doesn't mean it sims lower for everyone else. corruption, azerite etc play into it heavily
cunning geyser
It's what I was asking, sometimes some stuff don't sim so high but are good
the other hypothesis is that it sims lower for the others too but they play it because it's better in practice ? My char looks like most rogue assa playing it so I'm a bit surprised
rigid mango
(also because the overall value of vita with the added haste to allies can frequently out value the single dps gain for yourself by using font)
- people hate font coral 🙂
cunning geyser
it sims even lower than my 460 galecaller boon
rigid mango
Do you have coral?
cunning geyser
I do but only a 430 one
rigid mango
It wont
Most likely
But point still stnads
- why care about optimising current stuff if u wont just go get a myth coral 😛
cunning geyser
I do it
I have 14 kills on HC Ashvane no titanforging, and 10 kills on mythic Asvane :/
with a lot of coins
I was clearing it when it was current content, we just didn't do many reclear with my guild and never got lucky on that trinket
honest silo
Is it normal that sims tell me to take subterfuge instead of MA with no SS traits on my gear?
terse orchid
Yeah, at some point you have enough crit that MA has diminished returns
rigid mango
Subt scales better and doesn't DR.
honest silo
ok makes sense, got a couple of gem slots recently so those crit gems might have put me there. Thanks!
fading walrus
so now im on 3 480 pieces
3x EBs 2x SS 1x scent
cant get another SSon a 480 and cant get a NP
is it bad for keys ?
quiet forge
CLF isnt bis for ST anymore? I see people using BotE even in ST fights
strange python
crimson tempest seems like a really coola bility, is it viable in mythic+?
subtle tundra
its used in most scenarios
strange python
nice
fleet anchor
A few things @cunning geyser
- APL for Galecallers was cleaned up a little bit recently, it may have been a little undervalued before especially for Galecallers+Coral
- Everything depends on the gear people have. It's easier to get Vita in a lot of ways since it drops for everyone in raid and there are many flying around
- Ilevel matters a lot, so do player Haste levels. So everyone's value for it is different
I'm using 475 Vita because it sims best for me, but it might not sim best for everyone else. And also doesn't mean a 460 would beat other things by default.
cunning geyser
@fleet anchor Thank you for answer, so do you think that these rogues that are ranking have their vita that sim higher ?
ok that answers it
fleet anchor
Also things like sockets and tertiaries come into play
Also think in raids that the proc of Vita has a fair amount of value, although that is hard to quantify
If two trinkets were really close I would run Vita
If you are in a group with 4 other DPS you are adding another 1k Haste value to your procs
echo cargo
Also haste = more stars + td so
since a lot of people use those they just stack haste
ionic hemlock
I asked this once before awhile ago, but needed a reminder, for vision runs - same build just exsang is used instead of tb?
quasi pewter
same build as what?
ionic hemlock
mythic sorry
ionic hemlock
oh deeper too?
quasi pewter
vigor works too
but ur burst with exsang is better with deeper
not a huge difference and for trash vigor is propably better
ionic hemlock
gotcha, could you run ma as well?
ionic hemlock
ah
quasi pewter
you dont run ma with ss traits
ionic hemlock
right derped there for a moment
hidden bay
Do we pool energy for toxic blade?
strange python
Not sure I understand the opener for assassination rogues in the pins, spec'd into poison bomb. What should you're opener look like?
shut geyser
is there a video guide i can follow for assa?
like if i should hold vanish, opener, when to pool etc
having troubles atm
seems like everyone wants to know their opener / mid fight vendettas lol
languid sail
what pots you guys use for m+ for prio dmg?
sly ferry
Do we keep rupture up when maxing points with fok on m+ trash or just spam fok and ct at <2 sec remaining after initial opener
sly ferry
K so rupture any targets with 4-5 pts unless CT is gonna drop ?
strange python
Depends on the Situation, but ye: generally you need to maintain garrote(s) and rupture(s) to maintain Energy from venemous wounds.
If the Pack is about to die in a sec or two,, it's also not worth refreshing CT
Otherwise keep CT up, sure
sly ferry
Ok thanks !
fading walrus
so guys for keys, i upgraded my azerite to 480
got 3 x EBs 2x SS and either scent of blood or envenom
what would u recomend
strange python
Ttk
If you don't only use it for giga pulls only, where you only Spam fok. Like TD big pulls before First Boss or smth. Then sob is better.
But for a General Setup, TTK I'd say
fading walrus
thts what i was thinking too
like on big pulls wasting so much time on gcd ruptures insted of fan envenom
instead
what does the rest of u guys think
outer arrow
ight
im just too dumb to comprehend
do i just consume my coral stacks whenever vendetta is up?
drifting cloud
yes
outer arrow
welp, im -10iq
cobalt pelican
do you log your runs at all
my experience with it is that it's just exceedingly average, and significantly worse than severe if you have the option
marble hemlock
ideally id like to run severe, ye
might just be a bit overbudgeted with 35corruption for a T3 DM
cobalt pelican
i think deadly momentum is super ok as a filler though, like it definitely contributes
marble hemlock
seems to have almost 100% uptime on trash
had 440sec and 600sec uptime on 5stacks earlier in a waycrest
it just never drops as long as theres 2 or more targets
fleet anchor
I think it's generally fine now yes
The uptime now that it has increased duration should be reasonable
Think that's around what it sims at anyway. I'm seeing 96.2% for my own gear
harsh sphinx
sub 40 corruption
plain thistle
crimson terrace
how good is the attack from behind / haste proc meca rings?
crimson terrace
ty
mystic venture
Can you make shrouded suffocation work with master assassin? Just open with garrote and follow MA opener?
shy dust
why would you run shrouded without sub?
mystic venture
ok just wondering if its viable at all, the next best thing in my azerite ring is heart of darkness but i'm waiting for >25 corruption
honest vessel
heart of darkness is insane to be fair
fleet anchor
It is not viable
Subterfuge is ridiculously stronger for SS than MA
It's like an 8% DPS loss with 3x SS to use MA
next nexus
ashvanes coral from eternal palace
outside of that think dead eyespyglass from siege is prob next best thing
easier to farm too
arctic tulip
thanks..
rigid mango
@arctic tulip vita or font are better than spyglass 🙂
arctic tulip
ok.. I do have coral and vita.. so I should be good..
rigid mango
Then you should be in good hands, yeah
rigid mango
The vast majority of people use bote major
arctic tulip
even for single target?
rigid mango
combined with lucid, botd and strife (vop situationally) it's the most standard setup
And yes.
arctic tulip
hmm.. i'll have to try it.. I have been using clf..
rigid mango
CLF is good also
arctic tulip
i dont have strife.. so I can use vop
rigid mango
Just that it's more reliant on kill timers tha blood, and overall less used probably on the basis of personal pref, than blood
And vop is used situationally, i.e when a fight needs a 1.5 min timer instead of a 2 min timer
arctic tulip
makes sense.. I may need to start working on strife then
rigid mango
Sounds like a plan 🙂
arctic tulip
thank you!
white marten
what would be the highest dps increase major essence at rank 1? without having all the raid essences
for st
strange python
breath.. maybe...?
rigid mango
Lucid probs granted u don't have it at all
round crypt
what are the rules/situations for going master assassin over suberfuge or vice versa if you have double dose?
rigid mango
You pick the one that sims best 🙂
round crypt
hm yeah thought as much
rigid mango
For most that should be subt.
round crypt
tyty
also: if you aren't running VoP and have BoTE, when BoTE comes off cooldown do you use it asap or save it for your 2nd vendetta?
rigid mango
Save
rigid mango
👍
round crypt
Could someone explain to me why on this report: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tbqnCf824ArJpxZN#fight=1&type=casts&source=14&view=timeline&by=source he doesn't use his first vanish to re-apply empowered garotte after the first one runs out?
lethal heart
he does very many wrong things
but he has corruption that does 90% of his damage
welcome to 8.3 🤷♂️
round crypt
but I'm correct in that you would use your first vanish to reapply empowered garotte after it falls off?
lethal heart
ye
round crypt
apologies for the incoming spam of questions but I've come back from a long break lol
What is the priority for: Rupture coming up to pandemic window or DP running out so you reapply DP with a 4-5 CP envenom THEN reapply rupture but at a shorter time in the pandemic window
tropic ocean
Rupture
round crypt
wait
tropic ocean
U never care about poison application it is naturally up all the time as long as you attack the target
It also is not only applied by envenom but by your auto attacks too
round crypt
nono sorry I asked the wrong question
what has higher priority, pooling for reapplying rupture during pandemic window with max CP for maximum time on rupture or using envenom at 4CP to keep EP up THEN reapply rupture but with less time?
round crypt
so doesen't matter that your EP falls off as long as you get max cp rupture?
oh okay so you can still reapply with 4+
tropic ocean
U dont use max cp
round crypt
right okay
tropic ocean
U apply with 4+
so if u get 5cp from good crits u use it
If u dont u just apply with 4
For ep buff u can clip it but the dps inc is small
round crypt
awesome
tropic ocean
Uptime of it is naturally taken care of by following basic rotation/priority
round crypt
and during toxic blade do you want to maximise envenoms casted or still wait for EP to fall off before using envenom again (same question but during vendetta/ bote window)
tropic ocean
As long as you get 2+ in u are fine
Try to get asmuch in as possible
3 or 4 with good crits are max
round crypt
but would you use envenom again when EP has 3+ seconds left?
tropic ocean
And no u dont care about ep during tb u just pump
round crypt
to allow you to pool energy
tropic ocean
u pool before tb - not during
round crypt
to max energy? or?
round crypt
yeah what I mean is the main priority is to get max uptime on EP during TB not to aim to pool during TB
round crypt
Ah right
tropic ocean
U dont actively care about ep uptime
round crypt
same thing with vendetta window?
tropic ocean
It takes care of itself by following priority/rotation
vendetta window is always the same too yeah
round crypt
ok cool
tropic ocean
sin is basically tb on cd, keep bleeds up and dont overcap energy
Pool energy before tb
Thats all
round crypt
and one last question: when you're using your second vanish for empowered garotte do you use it twice for the longer uptime or just once?
ok makes sense
tropic ocean
You usually use it once
Inside of pandemic of running garrote
So u will have max dot time
round crypt
ah yeah I forgot the second usage will be for pandemic timer from the first garotte
I guess what I'm asking is for the 3rd vanish do you use it again for the exra 5 seconds of empowered garotte timer?
tropic ocean
Afaik outside first vanish u always use it once to extend pandemic for max time
Always the same usage after first
round crypt
well after the 1st vanish you won't have another empowered garotte to extend pandemic from. so the second vanish is used to reapply the emp garotte
sorry I said third
tropic ocean
you dont need to extend empowered ones
when you extend a garrote with a empowered one
it will overwrite it
and full duration will be empowered
gray abyss
Is 30k overall dps in a mythic+9 sethrallis ok? we mostly did small packs all the time, im 450 avrg ilvl
tropic ocean
heavily depends on your traits
gray abyss
I dont have logs sadly, gonna try set up logs frol now on
tropic ocean
but 30k overall is very low
gray abyss
Thats what i thought
tropic ocean
thats basically less overall than you did with -30ilvl
round crypt
nono Ausr, when you vanish and reapply garrote it extends the timer I'm only talking about re-applying during vanish
tropic ocean
you use vanish to extend your running garrote inside pandemic
thats it
the new garrote will have max duration and is empowered
round crypt
yeah so my question was: on your 2nd vanish (when there is currently no emp garrote on your target) do you A) Just apply 1 garotte for normal 18 second timer or B) hit garotte twice during subterfuge window for 23 seconds of application
round crypt
ohh right the normal garrote
gray abyss
Can you see my traits here? https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/sylvanas/blightforge
tropic ocean
when you extend a normal garrote with vanish it will become an empowered garrote
round crypt
my bad..
tropic ocean
@gray abyss yeah your helm and shoulder traits are terrible for m+
you want 3ss +hod/eb
gray abyss
What is ss, hod and eb?
tropic ocean
but even with 1eb ss you should do way more than 30k overall
shrouded suffocation, echoing blades, heart of darkness
gray abyss
So i should have 3 ss, 1 eb and 1 hod?
gray abyss
Like i tried hard putting garrote on everything, rupture and fok, dunno why i did that low :/
Used coral every pack
round crypt
coral probs isn't ur best option for packs
quasi pewter
@gray abyss no you dont specifically want 1 eb and 1 hod, you want 3ss and then as many eb or hod traits as possible
3ss 3hod is fine, 3ss 3eb is fine too
etc
ttk is also ok
but significantly worse than hod/eb
gray abyss
Oh ok, but ppl told me coral is bis :/
What is ttk?
quasi pewter
twist the knife
gray abyss
But do you recommend me buying 445 azerite untill i get the right traits, and then i only upgrade if i get better azerite gear with same traits?
tropic ocean
thats what I do on basically all my alts
feral rune
is assassination the best spec for raiding or should i just stick to outlaw u guys think?
gray abyss
What do you mean Ausr+
round crypt
but like for packs specifically would you not replace coral with something like torment in a jar just because you can't stack coral enough?
gray abyss
Yea its a trinket 😁
tropic ocean
I bought 450 azerites until I had 3x good trait combo
and then upgraded from there
@round crypt coral is one of the best overall trinkets in the game
as u have perm uptime of the buff because if a mob dies with coral on it you get the buff and can instantly use the trinket on next mob
round crypt
ah okay
I think in my case only having a 400 coral with a 460 torment torment is a lot better in my situation but I get what you mean
gray abyss
I managed to have like 100% uptime on, but some aoe packs my damage just sucks
pseudo hamlet
Serious question - which azerite piece is totally BIS for raiding for assa? Gorak Tuls? Got 20k of TR and don't wanna gamble.
tropic ocean
not so sure about that
gorak tuls shoulder yes
unless you have access to mythic nzoth, then this shoulder might be better, other than that vexiona/carapace chest, and raden helmet (if you have access to mythic versions of it) if not slithering loa helm and cephalohide jacket from m+ azerites
gray abyss
If i fight 3 targets i garote them all, rupture one, fok then envenom then fok 5 times? Then vanish and repeat?
pseudo hamlet
Unfortunately no, don't think that we will beat him in a month or two. Maybe with ridiculous amount of corruption resistance in the future.
tropic ocean
@gray abyss u g1 g2 g3 r1 bote spam fok 5x
quasi pewter
gorak tuls is very good and also very versatile
go for it
if you already have saved up
tropic ocean
use vanish to garrote again when ur garrotes run out or to spread more garrotes if needed
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
gray abyss
So if there are 6 target i g1 g2 g3 r1 vanish g4 g5 g6 r4 Bote fok?
pseudo hamlet
@gray abyss I think it depends how fast the the mobs dying... There's no reason to use vanish+more garrotes if half of them are going to be dead in a few seconds.
gray abyss
True
quasi pewter
in a pack with 6 about same hp mobs thats about right yea
gray abyss
😊
Gonn try fins some azerite pieces with good traits and setup logs and maybe you can see what im doing wrong
tropic ocean
sure mate good luck
bleak sedge
How much energy do i pool before i use enevenom ?
rigid mango
Aslong as your bleeds are up and you're not overcapping energy you can pool as much as you want without losing dps
royal lantern
as much as possible
gray abyss
why u want to pool your energy?
quasi pewter
you always want to pool as much as possible so you can get as many envenoms as possible in your tb window
gray abyss
ah
marble hemlock
@plain thistle for the corruptions you have there, feels like 35% basecrit is giga low :x
but looks good 🙂
id also run versatile nav instead of masterful
sacred ore
guys what is the best major essence for mythic +? I got lost between blood of the enemy and essence of focusing iris
rigid mango
bote
marble hemlock
if the giga-crit builds really picks up and performs super well, we might actually consider dropping BotE 😮
tropic ocean
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
marble hemlock
how id love to play formless void
and just yoink lucid major on bosses and bote/iris on aoe 😮
play DS
with 2 or even 3 TTK
a man can dream
faint harness
I did a 14 key with my crit build last night, had 72-73% crit on all abilities on average
But thats with bote
quasi pewter
lucid major 
bleak sedge
@rigid mango whats with the envenom uptime? should i pool between 2 enevnoms and if yes how long?
rigid mango
Aslong as your mutilates are within env buff it's fine, granted you're playing DD's.
Which give or take happens naturally w/o thinking about it nowadays because of the natural haste, haste procs and lucid makes the spec a lot smoother and in that process, no brain
steel ocean
any advice for a returned player?
scarlet sequoia
yes
royal lantern
learn m+ paths before you blindly join keys
dark token
??? how are you gonna learn if not by doing low level keys
royal lantern
guides?
dark token
and if he is 410 he knows the dungeosn somewhat because he has done them before
quasi pewter
tender folio
I have a question , when it comes to myth+ I know crit i main stat, but at some point should we move to versa or stick with crit ?
magic thorn
When playing with EB you can never have enough crit
magic thorn
Hard to reach that, maybe with bote
gray abyss
Is Sob good for mythic+?
magic thorn
Depends on your playstyle, try sim dungeonslice or 6Targets 40s without bl
gray abyss
ok mate
quasi pewter
dont sim dungeonslice
tender folio
Any kind of sim for myth + is wrong
frigid sleet
What kind of stats does 3ss 3np + vp build would favor
thin stump
I gues you should sim it! But if VP stands for Vision of Perfection you should reconsider the Essence since it heavily Desycncs your Cooldowns and you want Vanish for Vendetta anyways(Maybe you can get away with that as a Nightelf )
dark token
it syncs your cooldowns with ST, vanish kinda shit CD if you are playing no SS
crimson palm
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mruUuH7kqpWB28Rd9obWiH can someone check and see if they can make the SS-exsan build work here?
brisk forge
what race sims highest for m+ on horde? are there major difference between them?
worldly fable
You'll either go troll for haste, maghar for the agi proc or whatever it is, belf for the purge or gob for the extra dash
worldly fable
It's utility mostly afaik
cobalt pelican
how would it ever be 40 seconds unless you're playing vop
ionic vault
Noob question but should I be using Poison Bomb or Hidden Blades when solo run 5 masks visions?
cobalt pelican
poison bomb
ionic vault
Thanks
hasty crater
Toxic blade or excanguinate for m+ with 3ss ?
vast forum
both are viable, i personally prefer exsg
next nexus
is expedient a bit of a trap corruption?... sims really well for me with triple SS but dont see alot of top sins running it?
magic thorn
I personally prefer tb due to it's easy throw in nature. if you look at the M+ openers in the pins from seli. You garrote 3 times rupture up and start fok -ing. Can't find a good use to throw in a exang in there
patent topaz
You have to understand that top logs this patch is mostly giga rng with stars / flay. Expedient is very good and consistent
next nexus
sorry meant for m+
patent topaz
haste is not very good for assa in m+, it is the worst secondary
stoic vale
im new to assa and would learn it for ST fights. where i can find the opener with Bote essence?
magic thorn
Do a quicksim and look into the sample ability query
Opener changes depending on if you use master assassin or subterfuge. Also if you got ss traits or not
rigid mango
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