royal lantern
thats why i said most of the time 🙂
#assassination
thin bone
whats IS sorry?
cosmic prism
but in reality its only good on a few fights
tardy nimbus
Just buy a rank 3 expedient from AH lol
wet ruin
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6AdKPABrLHzMYWHdq1USGT somone can do it better, I don't have the iterations, you can do 80k without the IS
thin bone
oh wait no
People are simming with rank 5 mindflays not infinite stars
I could use that shit but I dont wish to gamble my dmg every pull
hearty birch
how big is Expedient 3 for rogues? I've seen expedient 3 footpad 445 for only 150k on my server
faint harness
its really good
hearty birch
is it something that ppl would drop ilvls for?
tropic ocean
@hearty birch if it sims better y
hearty birch
I was wondering if its same as mages where you would run 420 item with masterful corruption
tropic ocean
raidbots can answer that question
hearty birch
ty
upper fiber
!wa
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drowsy yarrow
To the rogues here who raid with Ashvane's Razor Coral : Do you always use it when ready or delay for a certain amount of stacks before reactivating for the crit buff?
tacit wing
You use it with vendetta
drowsy yarrow
so only every 2 minutes? Oo
thin bone
@wet ruin "you can do 80k without is" how exactly? I cant seem to be able to find a combination of my gear that will provide more than 77k
ive been siming for weeks now
thin bone
yeah thats a prob
west cove
is it safe to go with how sim sample assumes the spell order?
cobalt pelican
yes
west cove
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kYAFEhhArEmZSoTJC2RQmJ for example bote cast seems bit off no?
cobalt pelican
multitarget gets a bit weird but
i wouldn't say there's anything inherently wrong with that
it's just not what people generally recommend
west cove
yeah i see
Exsanguinate also seems kinda late for how people generally use it
as triple EB i thought i'd 3 garrote 1 rupture vendetta exang bote spam fan of knives rather than dotting other targets
cobalt pelican
why are you even playing exsanguinate at this target count
west cove
i dont know i rerolled yesterday when i realized i could go 3x ss 3x eb on scrapped azerites from item restoration
since i have 0 double dose too
didnt wanted to play with toxic blade
am i wrong?
cobalt pelican
toxic blade gets worse when you aren't playing poison based traits yes but exsanguinate doesn't get better if you don't have a good use for it
exsanguinate offers larger upfront burst on single target in m+ gear pretty much, but on aoe pulls if anything it just makes little to no difference unless your pull times are <emp garrote normal duration
m+ recommended openers are in the pins, and they'll differ from the sim and be closer to what you've outlined, both are likely fine though
west cove
yeah in some situations casting it feels like gcd loss tbh
covert mesa
my highest sim 😦 https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aqKAVYGd32R3NRdnptceX7 need more expedient ?
hallow obsidian
@thin bone YEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTT
thin bone
@hallow obsidian 😦
cobalt pelican
do you mean highest sim with deeper/exsang
cause it seems unlikely this is your highest highest
covert mesa
highest deeper/exsang y
scarlet sequoia
dunno why u would wanna play it
eternal turtle
does it matter which wep you put in main or off hand?
eternal turtle
and which enchant you have in main / off hand?
scarlet sequoia
sim yourself
eternal turtle
high ilvl main hadn
@scarlet sequoia yeh i thought so but i simmed and putting lower ilvl in main hand is more dps for me
scarlet sequoia
??
strange python
Link the Sim pls
cobalt pelican
something is kinda weird with your simc input or the gear compare itself; copying the raw input has your equipped gear w ith the 430 in mh but the display shows 440
arctic tulip
question.. any way to make sin work for mythic plus but without having to change my azerite to SS
tacit wing
no
vapid finch
is it worth to drop TA and racing pulse for IS? I have il'g. cara and nzoth prog left not sure how worth it is until nzoth https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iDLmuA3HsCKHaxT2a2DiLd
tropic ocean
@arctic tulip you can just play without ss but you wont be competitive, not in dmg and not in utility
arctic tulip
but for tyr week.. I can at least pew pew the bosses..
I can try to bring some cleave heavy peeps to pick up the slack..
arctic tulip
gotcha
tacit wing
youre inting running double dose in dungeons tbh
west cove
i think it isn't worth playing assa without proper azerites idk
tropic ocean
I mean it could potentially work if u dont do higher keys and have 2 aoe blasters to rip ur overall/aoe dmg and just blast bosses
but then again, the difference in st in the fight times in m+ is small
dark token
double dose got big update in dungeonslice sims tho 
tropic ocean
u wont do much more boss dmg with raid build
except that u will lose like idk 30 or 40% aoe dps
arctic tulip
gotcha
west cove
which boss is that aus
tropic ocean
first boss ur
arctic tulip
just rng for rtb in outlaw is killing me.. I spend most of the fight rerolling..
west cove
do you use fan of knife when boss casts its mirror?
tropic ocean
nope
dh mage will cleave add anyway and not using mutilate is less dmg on boss so
@dark token taking dungeon slice as representation is very bad
in aoe scenario eb is far superior to ss
(as you can see on herodamage as well raidboss+adds)
west cove
@tropic ocean do u run toxic or exang btw?
tropic ocean
tb
west cove
i dont know which one is better tbh can't understand rationale behind either of them
recently rerolled
tropic ocean
well tb is a flat dmg buff on low cd
exsang makes ur dots tick faster so its good for high burst
but doesn't buff your dmg in any way
it basically just makes u deal ur buffed garrotes dmg in half the time than it normally would
west cove
i see
no double dose makes me wonder. exang might be usefull to pop if your target would die before empowered garrote's full duration
rigid mango
I mean exsang does give you more damage
rigid mango
If you have a 20 second window
and ur exsang bleeds time out before it and then you can reapply new ones
The new ones are technically the added damage
Since that's more ticks that you wouldn't get from not having any bleeds up at all
west cove
yeah actually
rigid mango
- more energy regen since they tick faster
Which means more energy in a condensed window
and more energy overall
if it gave 0 dmg why would you ever play it 
rigid mango
Yeah it's defo handy for concentrated burst windows
So say you have a finite amount of a time, a kinda "kill or be killed" scenario
It's very strong for that
1 thing needs to die? exsang will rip it to pieces
west cove
5 mask thrall in 15 secs xd
rigid mango
Ye exactly
Or just some prio stuff in m+ that you can muck around with
Like in KR last boss for example, when he mounts up, exsang will rip it to shreds so it does as fast as possible
west cove
it makes better than tb overall then maybe? not dpswise probably but
it's a utility
i'd rather play exang
rigid mango
I mean, TB is probably a better pick overall
It's wayyyy too versatile and you can use it very freely
And matches exsang on raw output if not betters it in a lot cases, probably.
You can play either granted you have 3 SS.
I personally muck around w w/e I find fun/interesting and play it for the time being 
agile phoenix
can anyone tell me why rank 2 worldvein is simming higher then rank 3 blood/clf
0 allies 😒
drifting cloud
Ignore wv sims its not really usuable outside of 2-3 bosses
agile phoenix
ok so just sim CLF/Blood an see whats better that way?
west cove
probably yeah
sour glade
If you were running BotE triple SS triple EB for m+ and wanted to play exsang over TB where would you put exsang in the air?
rigid mango
Where would I put it in the air?
civic palm
Probably an issue with how applicable the sim is to its' intended application.
west cove
simming higher than it should or?
ripe geyser
What would you guys recommend, x2 T2 Mind Flay + some 10-15 corr(20-35 corruption) vs. T2 Flay + T3 Stars (50+ corruption)? Since IS is simbait I have some trouble. For ST
civic palm
I imagine it's moreso due to how you get a simulation of it to actually then apply to an actual dungeon.
west cove
not for dung st raid tho
civic palm
Then the issue there is similar to WV in that you need to make sure that you can use it the correct amount of times during an encounter and getting 100% uptime during the duration of the essence.
agile phoenix
which is rough on most bosses i guess
strange python
what essences and talents do I use for Horrific Visions?
drifting cloud
lol
rigid mango
strange python
No clear answers?
tropic ocean
3 ss 3 np
breath major if u need clear
bote major for melting bosses
u can switch ur gear essences freely inside vision so
I just macrod sets that I can switch between trash and boss
rigid mango
Just run this
If u wanna minmax u can change shit more
but that works fine for all 5 masking purposes.
strange python
I was thinking maybe run all that except use toxic blade and iron wire
rigid mango
ah woops ye
tropic ocean
why would u use iron wire
strange python
for silence duration increase and damage reduction
vast forum
yea
strange python
how is vigor useless, I'm just coming back and nervous to mess my visions up. I have 6 Vessels in my bag and I'm at rank 7
rigid mango
Like, again, you can minmax that shit more if u want to
But I'd guess that 9/10 people run that setup for 5 masks
w/o any issues
strange python
the one you linked?
rigid mango
With ironwire instead of internal bleeding, yeah
vast forum
vigor is more than fine
it's just not 100% optimal 😛
it's actually better if you're not used to using mfd
strange python
what about using crimson tempest? I'm reading this uh, wowhead thing and I'm not sure about it
rigid mango
Things die too fast
vast forum
CT is fine
rigid mango
Like again
last row is like
fuckall diff again
Literally u can play w/e you want in most tiers and have it work super well
tb instead of exsang
strange python
yeah, fair enough uh... I didn't catch essences?
rigid mango
ct hb pb
wet ruin
internal bleeding works just fine
rigid mango
I prefer botd since bosses melt anyways, but both are more than fine options
wet ruin
I am running with it
rigid mango
Again
vast forum
i prefer bote major as trash dies during garrote silence 😄
rigid mango
I said both are ifne
People legit just like
think it makes such a big diff
when it really doesn't
U can play w/e and it'll work assa is stupid good in visions
vast forum
you can do it without a major essence 
rigid mango
Aslong as u have the traits you're gonna be fine
vast forum
visions are quite literally the best possible type of content for assa
rigid mango
Granted you have 3 SS you're fine until you try masks where NP's help a lot too
But again u don't need them there anyways
strange python
I'd say I'll run uh Elab, Subterfuge, MfD, Leeching Poison, Iron Wire, Toxic Blade, Poison Bomb, then for essences, Blood of Enemy Major, Lucid minor, uh breath, and protocol minors
I don't think I got a gear setup that'll give me more than one Shrouded Suffo unfortunately :((
harsh sphinx
1 shrouded 
strange python
I want to ask an unrelated question here for convenience sake but I'll go over to PvP just in case
how would 1 Echoing Blades, 2 Shrouded Suffocations, 1 double dose and a nothing personal fair in visions?
dark token
visions the top things are shrouded > nothing personal > ttk/EB >>>> double dose
sour glade
Lol, had a typo. Was saying If you were running BotE triple SS triple EB for m+ and wanted to play exsang over TB where would you put exsang in the opener?
harsh sphinx
🤔 I've only been playing Exsang in workshop / KR / Temple with 0 EB so I'm not sure
gentle osprey
hi guys just wondertng if you could have a look at my sim and see if there was anything i could change 😄
anything is appreciated
harsh sphinx
just to make it go higher?
gentle osprey
nah if another build would be better or if theres any other essences or talents and stuff
harsh sphinx
corals pretty good
and subterfuge
bote several things really. should give them a shot sometime
glacial steppe
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uDSF2mCNiD8vP2eNVMj91w hmm, vision gamers rise 
undone vapor
ive got 30%crit 26%haste 40% master 13% vers what do i need to change to improve DPS https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4cdeywUVW7YDHVa8nHQ3AU
harsh sphinx
a log would be more helpful for that. unless you mean you want to sim higher
potent smelt
raiding tonight on nzoth anybody have talents and azerite recommendations?
i currently have triple dd 1 NP 2 HD
undone vapor
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/twisting-nether/rougefist i mean here my logs
harsh sphinx
first glance this opener could use some work. looks like you forgot to vanish
another one from shad the sequence isn't correct
Vend>TB>Bote>Vanish apply coral ASAP much sooner
also looks like you use VoP minor on every fight. there's only a few i would run it on. wrathion / drest come to mind but might wanna try conflict or Iris
undone vapor
ok ty how do i check what you just did my casts etc
magic thorn
If you want to get a better understanding on what to cast just do a quicksim and look into the sample cast sequence at the bottom, its pretty accurate and good for rogues
undone vapor
tyvm
harsh sphinx
arctic venture
rigid mango
sup
shy dust
it takes corruption into account..
woeful lynx
I'm seeing more rogues using VoP major with 3x NP traits on a lot of fights in the logs. Does anyone have any insight into this?
harsh sphinx
coarse narwhal
I'm messing around with 3 ss 3 np in vision w/exsang what should my opener look like and do I run BOTE major?
scarlet sequoia
why are you messing around
coarse narwhal
-.-
vast forum
"i'm messing around playing the optimal build, haha silly me"
single target opener something like garrote - vend - garrote - rupture - exsg - blood
i personally do it that way to get the NP dot up as early as possible, but the standard SS opener is g-r-g-vend-m-r-exsg
desert orchid
what essences are you guys running for m+?
strange python
Bote Major typically, Breath at least in KR and Workshop. More dungeons probably if you can handle it, but time will tell
Minors are lucid, breath (If not major), vop, cns probably if breath major
fleet anchor
@vast forum btw, I know it is an Outlaw run and that's a dirty in this particular channel (I swing both ways haha.) But regarding your comment the other day about "plz don't tell me you use breath major in visions?" I figured I'd drop an example of the reason I use Breath in Visions after a solo carry run last night. 😄
strange python
What else would you use in visions? You can make a Case for PP i guess
But breath is such insanely huge value on Trash and Bosses alike
fleet anchor
I assume people just use Blood because they don't like change. 😄
This is even on the low end of what I've seen in a run
It's really not uncommon for it to be 18-20%
strange python
Almost one shotting those boars on rexxar/thrall is super fun
fleet anchor
Breath does have a learning curve for sure though. It's fairly easy to mess up while you are learning
And then it kinda sucks if you are getting 45s CDs a lot
But in a dungeon situation you really should never use 45s CDs ever
cobalt pelican
does an execute buffed breath (1x cast only) do more damage than blood in a ~10 sec rexxar nuke
i actually have no idea i know it hits like a truck
like 350k or so
strange python
350k and upwards ye
fleet anchor
I usually chain it off the boars
strange python
Depending on Neck Level
cobalt pelican
yeah i think most assassination rogues just go with the 'boars are lame smash face into this guy' strat
cobalt pelican
maybe it's even better for that though assuming you can get an execute prior to going in
fleet anchor
I didn't get to use it on the boars much on this run though
strange python
But even If you just burn rexxar, that doesn't change the fact that it's huge value everywhere else
harsh sphinx
fleet anchor
But yeah even on bosses like Rexxar and Thrall
Reaping Flames is still like 8-12%
From 1-2 uses
But yeah, really I think the main thing about it is that it just takes practice
And getting a good feel for the timings. As well as a mouseover bind
desert orchid
so purification protocol not worth it as a minor for m+?
fleet anchor
Yeah I was running it yesterday and was less impressed than I was hoping
It is fairly RNG
So sometimes it is a lot higher
But overall I think I'll probably just run Symbiotic Presence or something I dunno
Running Reaping Flames you do get 100% uptime on the buff, so it's a solid option. Probably worth more than 4% but I need to double check.
desert orchid
I've been running bote major, lucid, focusing iris, and breath minors
that not an ideal setup?
the guides all seems to be hit or miss with regards to best essences
fleet anchor
I think Mystler's guides are pretty solid wrt covering the essence options in general
sullen sphinx
is it cool i fi use a fist weapon oh if it has a baller corruption trait
drifting cloud
if you dont like pressing mutilate I guess
white wyvern
sullen sphinx
owned
harsh sphinx
some double folly 3x EB/HB degen action 
desert orchid
where's Mystler's guides at @fleet anchor
?
nm. His is the wowhead. He's recommending purification though
and I don't have the r3 of breath yet, so guess I'll roll with what I have for the time being
primal turret
Worth puttin a socket in a 475 gushing wounds belt?
want to put in a gear that use both as outlaw and assassination
cobalt pelican
wq boots with avoidance on them
potent shard
Any pro simmers here that would do me the honor of simming my toon? Lol, im so lost right now
true nexus
it makes little sense to me how my severe 3 ring sims higher even tho equipping it makes me have less crit
i guess i gain other stats but it feelsbad
its severe 3 on a haste vers ring
civic hatch
coral and mythic xanesh, do we just hold coral for boss or is it ever worth using it with vendetta/bote on the adds?
strange python
So what’s the ideal azerite/essence setup for raid? I’m sure it’s been asked before
fleet anchor
@true nexus I mean it increases the Crit you get from buffs/Coral/procs/Deadly Navigation/whatever so depends on a lot of factors.
marble bough
does gushing wound give energy regen every time it ticks?
quasi pewter
no
dense herald
two quick questions lads, assass or outlaw more optimal for visions? and also with assass opener, if youre at 5 combo points do you cast toxic blade regardless so that you can go straight into getting as many envenoms in as possible?
quasi pewter
overcapping cps with toxic blade is fine
and assa is better for visions because you can delete bosses
dense herald
amazing lad, ty
dense herald
what about echoing blades
dark token
its ok but SS > NP >> EB/TTK >>>>> else
dark token
ss kills it all
pseudo hamlet
@dense herald I saw this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4UJUax3tUQ&t=
And I did it on my first try(I only used 1 mask before in Org and SW, it went really smooth and easy)
dense herald
ill give it a watch, thanks - cloak is only r8 atm so losign sanity fast
dark token
if you have elite extermination you can 5 mask but its hard, if you have gift you can 5 mask but its easy
strange python
yo should I just blindly follow minor essences or use what sims the best
thin bone
would you say Mind flay can benefit the most out of which secondary stat? haste?
strange python
isnt it crit
thin bone
no idea, asking for any real advice 🙂
strange python
p sure its crit
think its in the pins
read it b4
Follow what sims highest
aight thanks
dark token
most corruptions prefer haste (proc rate) and vers (damage) if you are trying to maximise corruptions damage
but you should sim your char for what is best
vast forum
@fleet anchor ofc breath does a lot of damage but it also takes a lot of globals and you're just killing off things that would die in 2 ticks of garrote anyway 😛 i'm not saying breath is bad ofc, but killing rexxar in 10 sec rather than 13-14 helps a lot more than finishing off dying mobs 1 sec faster imo
next arch
tropic ocean
because it has a socket
and probably a better stat combination than your other ring
and btw
(if you prefer to play with np, just use it in helmet instead of shoulder its only a 10dps difference to hod)
cloud iris
hey guys, just got back to my rogue, checking a bit what the top m+ boys are doing and i see seliathan is playing 3xSS + exsanguinate? is it back or is that a dung specific thing
eternal turtle
during phases where you hit nzoth, its useless to refresh dots towards the end since they will only tick a few times for full dmg right? just let them run out and mutilate / envenom?
tropic ocean
@eternal turtle pretty much
pliant heron
has anyone tried formless void as a 3rd minor for m+ when running breath major? i don't have cns
vast forum
you don't run breath major as assa
tacit pebble
probably better than anything else if you dont have bote
scarlet sequoia
not having bote at this point 
fleet anchor
@vast forum Honestly not totally sure I follow that logic. I don’t think another major actually helps with Rexxar any more. In such a short fight you’d probably find Breath one cast after putting your dots up instead of Blood would actually do more. But even then.
Cutting 2s off Rexxar seems relatively small impact compared to all the trash in the instance. Time wise.
HVs are like at least 90% trash and running around. The bosses are basically the shortest part.
Not sure I follow the comparison helping support blood either. Breath vs Garrote ticks has little to do with that. Gonna waste a global on blood so that you get 25% damage on 1 tick of garrote? Seems like the the same argument could be made for that. 😛 But I don’t think the dead globals thing is super compelling for that build because outside of stealthed Garrotes nothing will be higher DPET.
vast forum
maybe, i guess i just like bursting for 250k+ every time and it would be better to run breath
also could technically use tome just before bosses for blood if they are ever a problem
fleet anchor
Garrote the higher HP mobs then one shot the lower HP mobs with breath and do bigger pulls.
dark token
too bad breath doesnt get the 0 cd with 100-0 usage 
i wanna pew pew pew mouseover stuff
fleet anchor
I don’t mind you doing whatever works for you though. Just was showing that Breath can be stupid strong in there.
vast forum
it does @dark token but there's a bug where if your breath minor procs with the major and that's what kills the mob, it doesn't reset
or did you mean you get the 5 sec CD and you want 0? 😄
tropic ocean
@fleet anchor its not only the garrote tick, also np, and yeah timewise breath is better if you want to finish the vision itself faster but blood+3ss 3np trivializes the hard mobs (like rexxar)
scarlet sequoia
again completely useless discussion, if you're 5 masking and getting everything done as good as possible then it doesnt matter which essence you're using does it
use whatever tf u want to
im sure u could play spark of inspiration and 5 mask at this point
faint harness
Dont hate on spark 😡
distant lava
@scarlet sequoia I'd go even farther
and say you could play sub and 5 masks at this point 
faint harness
Easily
fleet anchor
If I want to finish the HV faster I will do what generally kills things faster. Really don’t think Blood does much in HVs at all. Iris/PP/Breath at least all have a purpose. Cutting 1-2s off a boss fight doesn’t matter really time wise.
Overall DPS/clear time is more relevant than burst DPS on a couple pulls.
distant lava
breath doesn't make a pull less dangerous, but blood does
fleet anchor
But I would challenge you to add up the actual contribution from Blood (reverse out the Crit damage) and see if it actually is worth the global for you in such a short fight over, say, a 400k Breath crit. 😛
Cause I am pretty sure you’d find it actually does less damage
distant lava
tbf essences don't matter, but I'd say blood has some value if you pull ultra big
cause sure breath might do more dmg overall, but just the blood dmg might kill more than half of the small mobs that could be dangerous for you instantly
fleet anchor
Sure but in that case may as well just run PP or Iris
fleet anchor
Sure of course
distant lava
cause it's almost a boring thing to do with the reduction
fleet anchor
I don’t mind what anyone uses. I was more reacting to the notion that it was crazy to use Breath. 😄
strange python
wouldnt the argument be that blood is a good, lazy, allrounder
faint harness
yes
strange python
while breath requires some extra thought
faint harness
breath is not hard to use, but it requires more attention to optimize
fleet anchor
Yes Breath does take practice for sure.
It’s pretty easy when you have gotten good with it
fleet anchor
But it has a learning curve
tropic ocean
can breath even compete on stuff like rexxar even if it crits?
fleet anchor
Why would it not?
fleet anchor
How much do you think blood actually contributes to that?
tropic ocean
well 10 sec crit chance 5 sec crit dmg
faint harness
it def adds to opener burst
fleet anchor
Also a Breath Crit is over 350k DPS for the global so how could it not contribute? 🤣
strange python
but you can force burst with exsang + blood
fleet anchor
It’s a 400k hit from one global.
strange python
instead of praying for a breath crit
tropic ocean
but u crit a lot with blood
fleet anchor
I Crit a lot without blood too
tropic ocean
like I have 65% crit with blood
fleet anchor
lol
faint harness
tbh
just use PP and be done with it
breath is fine and all
but its not good with big pulls
fleet anchor
PP is strong too yes. I agree I have used it quite a bit.
faint harness
since you most likely have 100% rolling, and you instantly kill stuff with it
you ahve 5 sec cd
tropic ocean
I dont even big pull and I dont even use blood on cd 😄 hv is more like netflix afk
the only issue always was rexxar
but with double one use and bote exsang hes not so i use it
faint harness
ye but in the bigger picture
its not netflix afk
for many ppl
and knowing what is easiest to use still serves a purpose for those
tropic ocean
its probably not the most efficient setup
but then again can just switch it in before boss
since breath has no cd
fleet anchor
Just saying that realistically you’d probably kill him just as fast or faster if you replaced the Blood global with a buffed Breath global. (Which is very easy since he has mobs right outside his room.)
Blood really contributes a lot less damage than people think most of the time. Maybe it works in this situation but would be curious to check the log.
tropic ocean
yea the only question is does it do more dps
in 10 s or less
and its only rexxar anyways rest of bosses are sleepmode
but then again can just switch it for rexxar
fleet anchor
I mean that’s a fine argument. If people want to say they don’t use Breath because they don’t wanna micro it. That’s a legitimate reason imo.
Personally I love using it. But it’s definitely something that takes some work.
tropic ocean
well i havent really tested it a lot in vision I used vision major and ran into the issue that rexxar ripped me so i switched to exsang bote build and melted him and just never bothered doing anything
else
might give it a try next reset
fleet anchor
Breath does become pretty useless if you use it wrong and get 45s cooldowns so the floor is low.
tropic ocean
cuz at current cloak/gearing points its actually just about making it go faster
rather than anything else
fleet anchor
I would prefer a harder version of HVs personally rather than having it be like 40% of my time looking for which of the spots the stupid gems are hiding in. But that’s another topic. 🤣
crimson palm
Harder but less annoying at the same time >.<
tropic ocean
they still need some balancing
on some classes they are just super easy and others have a hard tiem
time*
but yeah for rogue could definetely have some more scaling for more mementos or so
6 mask or 7 mask
dusk narwhal
Is purification protocol better in M+ than breath of the dying for a minor? Seems like the AoE component would be stronger.
quasi pewter
no + you get 10 corruption resistance from breath
gleaming viper
hey guys, why every top ranking rogue have BOTE and plenty of mastery ? is it the new meta ? am i missing something ? i also sim every trinket in raid, and i sim better with coral and azshara trinket :/ Im a bit confuse. thx for help
serene sierra
How many mobs do you hit with crimson tempest finisher? Any more than 3? 4?
agile phoenix
guys if im using CLF do i hold my 2nd vendetta to line up with CLF or do i use it then use CLF 1min later
nevermind ive got it
vendetta + clf, vendetta then vendetta + clf
vast forum
@gleaming viper bote plays well on a lot of fights even though it doesn't always sim the highest
font/coral sim very high but can be quite awkward to use on some fights
@agile phoenix depends on fight length
if fight is <4 min, you delay 2nd vendetta for CLF, if it's 5min you delay CLF for 3rd vendetta etc
delaying CDs is only ever worth if you aren't losing casts
unborn pendant
Dumb question
Does Cloak protect you from Annihilation? And if it does, do I get more use out of it in P2?
scarlet sequoia
it does
agile phoenix
yeah @vast forum makes sense
scarlet sequoia
can prolly use it twice @unborn pendant
lofty rapids
hey guys are you suposed to use exanguinate on cooldown or should you time it with bleed aplications?
lofty rapids
so there is a like 4 gcd wiggleroom then?
untold current
If I recall you delay the 3rd exsang a bit to line up with Vendetta
lofty rapids
buut exang is 45 sec and vandetta is 1.5
lofty rapids
visions
untold current
I think its 1.5 with vop
lofty rapids
so should I not run visions?
scarlet sequoia
u dont play vision with that build
lofty rapids
what do I play instead
lofty rapids
ok
is there like a post somwhere with info on th ebuild?
I tried looking but I couldn't find anything
scarlet sequoia
no not yet
strange python
go into boss rankings directly for more than top10
and/or switch to boss damage
lofty rapids
yeah but I would like some kind of post
strange python
lofty rapids
it will do until then but ios annoyong
untold current
u could make one
strange python
whats better than a log
lofty rapids
not my brain
unborn pendant
Wait, is Exsanguinate actually viable?
lofty rapids
with 3 SS
scarlet sequoia
takes a bit more than 3 ss to make it viable bro
unborn pendant
Next extremely dumb question:
Does it speed up Gushing Wound for some ungodly reason?
scarlet sequoia
basically when you get enough gear and everything its a viable option, but until then the basic build is still best
it wouldnt matter if it speeds up gushing wounds considering its a 7 second dot
cunning blaze
What would you say you need aside from triple ss to make it viable?
scarlet sequoia
basically when you get enough gear and everything its a viable option, but until then the basic build is still best
semi mandatory to have carapace mythic chest
strange python
there should be coming apl changes in the next few days that optimize for exsang a bit
so simming/gear choices will be easier to see
eternal turtle
which website has accurate numbers for azerite traits dps?
need to check whats better
plain thistle
eternal turtle
thnx
plain thistle
but simming is always more accurate
pallid skiff
so if the only rank 3 i have is meme beam should i use that over whatever else i have rank 2 in nyalotha
arctic walrus
sim your essences for single target
unborn pendant
So question
How do I sim essences I don't have but am considering spending my 500 on?
arctic walrus
there should be an advanced option in simc's top gear
balmy dome
hi guys, question, I see all the top rogues on warcraft logs run BOTE but mine doesn't sim any near the top: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6XcVsmJvFvG46JjTeZYgC9
arctic walrus
wv is just unreliable and can be very worthless if a boss mechanic requires movement and you drop all stacks
strange python
press ctrl+f here, type bote, press enter
arctic walrus
blood just lines up better for most of the fights and you cna hit multiple targets with it as well, which a st sim wont take into account
balmy dome
ah makes sense
ty vel didn't think to search for it, will read through these as well.
ionic hemlock
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kVvnGz3iH9Jja9G37LAWUs so my M+ aoe/cleave has been pretty stellar ty @strange python lol I'd like to see if i can do some heroic just for SnG. But my sims pretty bad, I tried using some of my pvp gear and just changing a few traits https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/emWyKMZN98vtTvJ6iSs9iC I am suppose to drop crit for more haste/mastery for raids?
drifting cloud
youre 455, you need ilvl not specific stats
and crit is good on st basically always
ionic hemlock
yeah ilvl would be nice but this is all I can get, I did 2-3 m+ dungeons this week, and my chest literally keeps giving me 0 upgrade boots
i got enough gear to 459ilvl but like I said its garbage drops, it might as well be + charisma lol
strange python
if i play assa with 3x DD on vexiona should i use double dose even if adds are there for maximum boss dmg?
or is the generated cp by fan of knives worth more than the dmg generated by DD?
@ionic hemlock this makes a bit more sense: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/d4a7zAfqYqu7kSNh4guvis
drifting cloud
ionic hemlock
Oh, ok.
drifting cloud
mines higher!
strange python
ionic hemlock
lol
strange python
you win
ionic hemlock
gotcha
ionic hemlock
wtb a 15 m lol
fallen geode
Crimson tempest or not m+
quasi pewter
maybe sometimes if you like it 🙂
vague rock
does anyone know how vop major works? if you Vendetta normally and then get a proc it overwrites the first one?
so you just wait if you get a proc on pull right
manic harness
herodamage > Bloodmallet for Assassination?
inland gull
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
faint harness
@vague rock It doesnt overwrite
But if you get a proc and then use vendetta it will replace it
But if you get a proc during vendetta it just adds the seconds
vague rock
i had a pull where i used vendetta in my opener, had 20s left on it
then vision proc and vendetta duration went to 6s
autumn girder
Any1 here that already killed Carapace Mythic? Wanted to ask if you use bote for the adds or just use it normally with vendetta
honest vessel
i held it for vendetta, sins job isnt really add dps and i wasnt looking to parse or anything
but when i used it in p1 on second vend sure i'd try and clip adds with it and the tentacle
and for your last one i'd do it early if you dont think you'll get another vendetta
faint harness
@vague rock thats impossible so it didnt happen
vague rock
dude i swear it happened
faint harness
It can't happen
faint harness
maybe if you cast it at the very exact same second
vague rock
lol that's so unlucky then
faint harness
Nothing personal lasted at least
faint harness
I had a sequence of almost a full minute vendetta on nzoth reclear today
Unbelievable proc luck
vague rock
full rng build is fitting for this patch 🙂
manic dawn
Hey, how it is all going? Can anyone tell me the best essences for mythics+?
quasi pewter
blood major, lucid breath vision minor most of the time
whole mantle
is there any easier way to farm BoTE?
whole cypress
comp stomp next week
whole mantle
i join the BIG CB and CB daily
can I catch in a week of farm in the brawl?
or is it still time consuming?
tropic blade
My dudes - is exsang better for m+ or whats the rule here? ( Playing 3 x SS traits)
strange python
Is the shadow blade guide up to date?
arctic walrus
Just stick with tb
tropic blade
Is it better? I see rogues doing higher keys using Exsanguinate which is why I ask
rigid mango
They're both very close, TB is generally more used and easier to use, less punishing and more versatile
You can use both, but for most people TB is probably recommendable.
tropic blade
Thanks - assuming I wanted to try out exsang I presume the play is to het a full duration SS garrote and a 5cp rupture up and then exsang ( assuming no internal bleeding or crimson tempest talented) as often as possible?
unborn pendant
Okay, dumb question
I know when to use Blood of the Enemy. When do I use Worldvein?
unborn pendant
That doesn't answer when I'm supposed to pop Worldvein though, unless I'm blind.
harsh sphinx
oh i'm sry. i misread your question. "i know when to use blood" 🙂
unborn pendant
Any particular reason why I shouldn't? It's showing up on the top logs here and there and it seems very competitive with BotE.
drifting cloud
here and there where?
I just went threw basically every boss top100 logs, found around 10 wv logs in total
and half of those are from shadhar
unborn pendant
Shad'har and Maut specifically.
It's not super common but it seems to be showing up on ST fights, so I'd imagine there has to be a reason to run it occasionally.
latent field
I’ve had good results with wv, just seems unpopular. You use wv essentially where you’d usually use clf
drifting cloud
yeah I guess the other 98% of rogues are just playing wrong
latent field
No?
drifting cloud
but gl convining your dhs and warrs to run it I guess
its a pointless essence that has way too many downsides compared to the upsides
latent field
It’s good by itself, just gotta be careful about your positioning. BotE frees you up a bit if you need to move shortly after your opener.
Not pointless though
drifting cloud
ok, enjoy it I guess
latent field
Will do
fleet anchor
WV is fine
You don't need any other raid members for it to be decent for Assassination
Value for us even with 0 allies is actually very high because of the timing and impact on Vendetta windows
The downsides are generally greatly overstated, people mostly just underestimate the impact of the major
@unborn pendant in terms of your question, you basically just use WV on cooldown. It's 1 minute CD, don't really want to waste it.
drifting cloud
it sims less than bote with 0 allies so why ever use it if nobody else is using it from melee
and thats before accounting for literally any movement
unborn pendant
Because it’s a good essence for quite a few specs and as a result I’m never the only one running it.
If there’s high movement required I wouldn’t use Worldvein.
fleet anchor
Small to moderate amounts of movement do not do anything negative to WV. The range is 12y, it is not that hard.
BotE is below 0 ally WV for me
fwiw
Will obviously depend on your gear
There also isn't too much reason to overthink the movement aspect. WV stacks can easily be analyzed to see if you are getting decent uptime during cooldowns. Most fights it is not at all a problem and that is pretty verifiable with logs. It's like getting hung up on the fact that BotE can wildly swing in value based on how many crits you get in the 5s window. Or the RNG of corruption procs. At the end of the day, you play the averages.
It's honestly a shame more people don't run it because it would be even more powerful if they did.
ionic hemlock
small to moderate movement, are we playing the same game? cause theres a metricton of movement in this game. lol
fleet anchor
There are honestly really not many encounters or even fights in general where the boss (not you) absolutely have to move more than 12y radius from your original position during a planned cooldown window of Vendetta. And most of the time you would have to move extreme distances during CDs, your DPS is fubared anyway unless the boss itself is moving with you. (e.g. if you get chosen for a debuff on Vex during Vendetta, you are screwed no matter what essence you use.)
Either way, like I said. The uptime is very observable. If you don't get the uptime you want to make it worth it, you stop using it. No reason to boogeyman about it.
glacial steppe
It honestly depends on several aspects. I was in the second football group at Xanesh and the timing lined with my second set of CDs. I obviously had to delay them which sucked even more because the second we finished our game and lost the debuff, Xanesh started her dance. In theory the dances wouldnt line up with my 2 min CDs but given the fact I was in group 2 and had to delay them, they actually did. WV was a big no no for me bcs of that even tho it technically would have been my BiS essence according to sims
fleet anchor
Sure, I suspect Xanesh is probably the worst general case for WV because the timing of the movement phases is not ideal. Kinda bad timing for our CDs in general too, but that's another issue.
What groups you are, what add you are on, and how much you need to put into adds or not in general.
glacial steppe
Atleast WV doesnt feel as bad as blood does if you crit 0 envenoms during opener
my crit luck is literally hell
fleet anchor
Nowadays I think I'd probably use Reaping Flames on Xanesh anyway
glacial steppe
Im playing VoP build cus its fun
fleet anchor
Rogue parses seem to be a bit slow on the uptake about Reaping Flames on certain encounters. Feral, for example, has heavily swapped over to it for Xanesh and kinda proved out that you can get 9-12% damage from it pretty easy, which is really high for major essence value. And Havoc parses starting to really abuse the crap out of it for N'zoth for 12%+. I'm sure people will get there eventually since it scales with neck ilevel pretty well and will keep getting stronger.
glacial steppe
I still dont get how ppl do 10mil dmg with reaping on drest
Do they riun around and snipe every low hp add for 5s cd
they have like 30-40 casts
fleet anchor
Well, last time I did it, the timing worked out pretty well to get a kill buff, use it on a fresh add, and have the 15s cooldown come back up for near-death
Since usually the adds took 15-20s to die
Depends on how fast your group is killing them
fleet anchor
Timing isn't actually that sensitive, you have 3s to have the mob die after you cast it to get the buff/refresh. So on short lived targets it's actually pretty easy
rigid mango
afaik it's the major with the highest highs but lowest lows (of the best ones) and that's up to fight knowledge and more skillful than just pressing smth synced w cd's p much
I used it for xan/vex/drest
Can probably use on more places
glacial steppe
If I dont snipe low hp I get around 17-20 casts on drest
fleet anchor
For example doing H N'zoth earlier today in the alt run I would cast on Synapses at like 50% health and deal full damage to them, then everyone else would finish off the last 10% health or so
rigid mango
Ye
fleet anchor
It is all about understanding the incoming damage on the target
rigid mango
For me it's just about psychus dmg so idc about synapse damage there but idk
I think botd is really nutty
Just takes time to learn it for each fight
When you can/can't use it and where
fleet anchor
Well then I funneled one into Psychus after he was fully debuffed
And got a 1.4m crit
So that was fun
rigid mango
Yeh I only do boost runs where I'm always a funneler of dmg on it so I just play 3ss exsang bote for it since it's nice and simple
fleet anchor
I've gotten higher with higher stacks haha.. I think my biggest Reaping on Psychus was like 2.4m
rigid mango
mhm
I think it has giga potential
Because you can hit spike tentacles with it it down phases
fleet anchor
Some of the top H logs for Havoc have Reaping at like 24% damage lol
rigid mango
But again I think bote is probably just simple best for myth but idk
fleet anchor
But you are right that like.. it definitely has the lowest lows
If you rip off 45s cooldowns when you don't want to
It's sad days
rigid mango
That's why I personally don't recommend it
When people ask me what to use in raiding
glacial steppe
in our H runs its p much impossible to get some dmg on first psychus tho, we have like 5 dhs throwing meta and guardian at it
fleet anchor
But I don't think it's that hard to use. Basically if you are conservative with it, it does well
rigid mango
because odds are a person who asks me that has more to worry about than sniping botd
glacial steppe
melting like crazy
fleet anchor
When you start overthinking gaining max value, it's risky
fleet anchor
Like for most people I think you can use it in a "straightforward" way and still get like.. 9%+ out of it
rigid mango
but it's all about knowing exactly when you can/can't use it on boss
fleet anchor
Which is still really good
rigid mango
That's what I felt like with it on vex
And that's why I picked it for vex
Because it did maaad damage last phase
and it was also really easy to get resets obv
fleet anchor
yeah it's naturally quite strong on execute fights
even doing nothing in particular
rigid mango
ye I mean the entire fight I just like
Use adds to funnel big proc on vex
And then the fight is literally just last phase
that's all
fleet anchor
Was spitballing with Guy last night and figuring out roughly what it would scale with at higher heart levels
By around 100 it should be roughly 40% more damage than now
Will be interesting to see how the late stage Mythic farm goes over time haha
glacial steppe
Top parse with reapin on Xanesh did like 3mil dmg
p decent
190k per cast on average
fleet anchor
Yeah 2.8-3m seems pretty typical
I've seen upwards of 3.7-4m on some
Think you expect around 16 casts
fleet anchor
2 in the opener, 1 on each add, then 1 into the boss and repeat that cycle until boss execute
fierce pivot
where does blood of the enemy and coral fit in openers with Master Ass no suff
patent topaz
How to use Razer Coral trinket?
- For Assa, apply it as soon as possible and consume stacks with each Vendetta, reapply after.
As for bote you use it after vendetta and tb before vanish
fierce pivot
cheers
rapid night
Stealth > garrote > multi > rupture > vendetta > racial+ bote > spam multi with evenom so its wrong opener ?
And whats ur stats guys ? I have 12% haste unbuffed only
tropic ocean
ur stats depend heavily on your corruption
haste is my highest but i have expedient so its naturally good for me
winter gale
Twisted Apendage over Infinite Star for Carapace Mythic progress?
What I see from WoW logs its like that. I have 475 rank3 IS
@rapid night i have 27%crit/24%haste unbuffed
tropic ocean
IS is good for last phase only
oblique jackal
Has anyone tried the VoP build with x3 NP?
faint harness
yes
is it really pure shit tho
i had quite average RNG on last nights carapacci reclear
and it did 9k boss dps
1x 475 IS
winter gale
So I shoud go TA?
Have one 35 TA and gushing wounds
Will try to get some more of those, they are most used on wow logs atleast
For Carpacio
winter gale
I went to like top 500 players and most are using it
faint harness
the corruption is very RNG heavy, so it makes sense that some outliers are in the top
did you really scroll over 500 players
thats dedication
faint harness
with IS on that fight u just gotta pray your procs are coming during add downtime
sometimes you can come out of P1/2 with 6-7 stacks, which is quite good
and sometimes 1
its just rng
I had 1 pull where i procd 2 IS in a row on thing from beyond, thats the good shit
winter gale
Well we are dmg dealers on boss itself and eye?
I was no1 on boss and eyes non stop so I guess I am doing ok
faint harness
This was my dmg breakdown on boss dmg yesterday
And i dont think i was incredibly lucky with IS
but hard to tell
winter gale
But want to contribute as much as I can.
scarlet sequoia
are u playing vision major as well
faint harness
i was trying out full RNG build for fun
scarlet sequoia
ye looks really fun
faint harness
u never know what happens
scarlet sequoia
if u wanna do that TA is always gonna be better than IS
on fights like that anyways
hardy wind
really wanting to get rid of my IS (rank 1) boots even if it's just the LW boots. fire mage in the guild has rank 3 and had a few fights where my rank 1 did more damage than his rank 3 but also had other fights where IS only procced 4 times in a 5 minute fight
hardy wind
I'm all for rng but it going from having 4-5 proccs (trying to find the log to prove it) to beating someone's rank 3 is crazy. shouldn't be like that
winter gale
This was my IS procc on Vexiona Phase 3 on our 1st kill
Rng is sick but I dont like it
faint harness
give me all GWs
dark crag
What? You don't like that 36% of your dmg is an rng proc from a random gear piece?
winter gale
Not this exact moment that I dont like
faint harness
going full casino spec
winter gale
I dont like rng is what I meant
dark crag
Japanese school girls hate my gear
winter gale
😂
faint harness
Weebs?
dark crag
Tentacles, my friend. Lots of them
faint harness
i can run many tentacles
but got many bad memories
from it not procing at all
so fuck that shit
mystic crest
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
glacial steppe
I like running t5 tentacle that does 500k dmg in 4 mins
obtuse perch
3SS 3Hod/NP/ttk/etc build in M+, I get why it works in KR and workshop, I dont get why people take it into FH, AD, etc (other than not having better azerite) Is this build literally just a Vendetta burst machine and do nothing else when cd's arent up?
white wyvern
🤔 3 SS will carry you threw trash as well..
obtuse perch
specifcally talking about why you wouldnt take EB into keys
I dont know i just feel like for a bit more ST I'm loosing 10k+ dps overall, seems bad or more likely I'm bad
quasi pewter
what people are you talking about that dont take their 480 eb ss into freehold?
white wyvern
Most of the time people to take EB.
obtuse perch
Seli
white wyvern
You don't always need trash damage though so opting for ST is better.
quasi pewter
does he have 3ss3eb available?
white wyvern
Like playing with a UDK.
obtuse perch
He's been using 3ss 2hod 1ttk a lot recently
white wyvern
I wouldn't pay attention to what he is playing without asking. He could just be testing stuff out.
obtuse perch
maybe
white wyvern
Plus he can make anything work.
quasi pewter
hod is extremely strong
obtuse perch
theres a chance hes just letting the other dps carry the overall and just focusing on his burst windows
white wyvern
Likely what it is.
obtuse perch
like rogues are so mediocre now unless you have really sick gear
quasi pewter
no reason to run ttk unless he has nothing else tho
white wyvern
Rogues are not mediocre.
obtuse perch
only needed in 1 or 2 keys anymore, double dh likely better otherwise
set groups ofc should always have a rogue
white wyvern
Just because you are not being taken in every dungeon for Shroud anymore does not mean Rogues are mediocre.
I can pump more than plenty of DHs.
obtuse perch
all things being equal dh should do more damage
white wyvern
Then rolll DH.
obtuse perch
can't I like rogue too much
raven locust
Rogues doing slightly less than dhs doesn't mean they're mediocre lol?
obtuse perch
maybe I'm having a mid patch crisis realising how much more damage mages and hunters can do than me i dont know
honest vessel
not #1 != mediocre
raven locust
^
Mages an entirely different story, nothing really compares to them if they have % stat increase corruption
copper lintel
Hi
strange python
does NP gain anything from haste?
raven locust
It'll increase the tick rate for more damage
strange python
ah i thought mastery would be the best for that ill go start simming again ty
raven locust
Just depends on what your stat weights are and corruptions, simming is easiest answer. I think you might have read my "more damage" as haste is best, I only meant it increases the tick rate which means it does more damage
tropic ocean
@obtuse perch sounds not like a class issue
maybe they are just playing better than you? the only class atm that I see being in front is hunter but I pretty much do same or more dps as mages I play with
(obviously if u dont play 3 eb u will have less overall, but that does not mean its necessarily slowing down the key) if you're talking about combustion burst, well noone can compete with that(which is pretty handy for hard pulls) but for overall dps they are not better than dh rogue or most other classes
young portal
is 60% mastery a good amount for m+? running 3 x ss
agile phoenix
if i was to buy corruption, what should i aim for?
i know simming is best but kinda difficult for me to sim all these items if i dont have them already
vast forum
gushing wound
agile phoenix
is there a specific set up or just try get any of the good corruptions?
tropic ocean
if u can freely choose
as much gushing wound as you can get to a corruption level you can play comfortably with
agile phoenix
okay, because ive gave up on trying to loot corruption so im thinking about just buying it from AHs now lol
lean marten
the gauranteed corruptions from visions are pretty solid as a source
agile phoenix
how do you get guarantees?
white wyvern
Horrific Visions always drop a corrupted piece. It is still random which one you get.
honest vessel
all vision loot is guarunteed right?
loud light
I mean technically you can get azerite if you're getting the 460 loot but otherwise yes
agile phoenix
how do u get max ilvl?
honest vessel
5 masks
agile phoenix
whats just normal with no masks?
loud light
445 I think, +5 for each mask
white wyvern
You can only get each masks reward once a week too.
So if you 5 mask full clear you get 470.
If you 5 mask full clear or 4 mask full clear again in the same week you get 465.
Etc.
agile phoenix
any1 wanna help a brother out? ive only full cleared, havent tried with the masks
xD
white wyvern
If you can't 5 mask full clear then corruption isn't your problem and you need to git gud. no kap.
agile phoenix
or maybe im 455
but ill start doing masks, havent bothered previously i didnt know
white wyvern
Then also corruption isn't your problem and you just need to get more gear. Do some M+.
agile phoenix
i still like to know whats best etc, instead of having to ask when im 470, now i know as im getting there
ty for answers tho
scarlet sequoia
its in the pins BRO
dawn root
really you just need 3 SS azerite pieces, a decent ilvl, and knowledge of all of the vision mechanics
Also having your titan console filled out w/ titan proc and elite extermination are pretty much mandatory
Proper use of titan proc allows you to go into most boss pulls with 10-15 seconds of sanity drain immunity and a crazy lust. It's nutty dps
inland gull
btw is there a script to check chich rewards i got this week already from vision?
mighty ridge
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
inland gull
im not sure if i did 3 or 4 boost
dawn root
i dont know about that
inland gull
bcuz i do 4 for gear only xd 450 sounds meh
keeping the other to boost if someone in friends group wakes up that he wants some corruption
frozen karma
so I'm starting N'Zoth prog tomorrow, trying to go through logs and figure what build I should go for
I see a lot of perfection minor, I guess that's the way to go?
This is the setup I was thinking of going for
faint harness
nutty mainhand
frozen karma
thanks, I outplayed the game pretty well
vapid delta
Anyone have any info why vita shard is giga played when its a sidegrade from most m+/wraithion trinket?
frozen karma
DM or tag me here if someone has advice for N'Zoth 🙂 and if my setup is optimal
scarlet sequoia
@frozen karma
it depends which psychus group youre in
1st psychus u dont play vision minor, 2nd psychus u play it
lean marten
soccy that mh :^)
vapid delta
its literally a +100 dps gain for my set// same for another rogue Tryan
vapid delta
for our gear sets i mean
not the combination
just thinking if it should be traded to some1 else
unless theres other implications
frozen karma
@scarlet sequoia I'm first group so I should just play a normal setup then?
scarlet sequoia
correct
then u use cds on pull, psychus, 2nd tentacle set when u come back out and then boss
frozen karma
also I've heard a few people mention IS is good for the later part of the fight, should I try to put a r3 or is it just pure rng and not worth trying
scarlet sequoia
i played IS on first kill but honestly idk its kinda eeeh really
TA is just as good
its rng
can be good can be insane can be completely useless
scarlet sequoia
that depends what other classes go down with you
in my raid we have 2 hunters that solo synapses, so i barely touch them
just focus synapses for the first few pulls and if you feel like its whatever u can hit psychus
assa is complete shit at synapse dmg so its not the biggest deal
frozen karma
hmm we've got a DH, Ret, SP, Hunter and Feral
scarlet sequoia
ye i have 0 idea what thats gonna look like, so just try it out and focus synapses first bit of progress and take it from there
frozen karma
so I use cds on psychus and not on n'zoth once we go out?
distant lava
yes
cause you have to beat a timer on the psychus kill
and it can be kinda tight on the first psychus
scarlet sequoia
^
frozen karma
ight, sounds good, thanks for your inputs 🙂
honest vessel
i focus every synapse except the seventh, which i just rupture, if that helps
but keep dots/deadly poison on psychus at all times
eternal turtle
what is best prepot rn, unbridled fury?
honest vessel
depends on you, for me its unbridled, but default sim uses focus resolved i think
fleet anchor
@white wyvern @tropic ocean I'll be honest, I don't think someone saying Rogues are mediocre right now in general is all that much of a hot take. Rogue damage currently is mediocre for sure all things being equal with player skill/gear levels. Rogues don't really have any "broken" interactions with corruptions and basically are just praying for tendies to hang with classes that have much more abusable things currently. M+, Rogue is still quite strong in the AoE department for both Assassination and Outlaw. Raids are really another issue though.
All specs are competitive if you play better than people around you, but Rogues really aren't having a great tier in general.
tropic ocean
well even in raid
i just try to see it as I do my job super good
usually top dps on boss or prio target by far
fleet anchor
On aggregate, Assassination has fallen behind 8 other specs even on Shadhar, and only 4th on Maut. Then gets stomped on most other fights.
tropic ocean
well yeah im 20k behind overall from mage but idc and wouldnt use it as argument to call rogue mediocre
lean marten
without the right azerite a sin is a jack of all trades