it can i think, at least on druid moonfire it does
#assassination
inland gull
honest vessel
levelled a dh this week. timewalkers gave me 455 ring with expedient 3
kiiinda pissed
strange python
!Essence
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chrome eagle
harsh sphinx
hidden bay
serene sierra
best aoe mythic plus minors if using beam major?
sterile ocean
so i got a quick question but do i wanna go for the Azerite vender gear or the helm and chest from raid and azerite sholders?
i seen people run both ways and just confused what to go for
young portal
rigid mango
Not a huge amount but it's not like it's bad
civic hatch
Anyone else have ma simming almost the same as subt, it’s like 20-40dps more..doesn’t seem worth
royal lantern
subt is like 50dps more then ma for me
civic hatch
Is 3xss/3xeb still the best m+ build? I got 3xss/2xeb/1xhod as my best set up, hopefully can get final eb this week
covert mesa
Subt is 600 dps more then ma 4 me
civic hatch
Subt is 600 dps more then ma 4 me
@covert mesa is that cus you’re running any ss?
strange python
Soooo would anyone be accepting gold for a 400 dagger maybe lower
Im a dipshit and trashed mine
Now I cant use my mutilate
crimson palm
MA started pulling ahead again for me, with 2 expedient II pieces and Strikethrough III
elder kernel
If you have a lot of Crit and play Blood+coral then MA is a waste .. except at pull
plain goblet
wide delta
is it worth playing with Breath major when sim tells u it is better ?
feels clunky i dont know
does anyone play breath major? in mythic?
strange python
@wide delta you can check here, but it's usually just on drest: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/24#class=Rogue&spec=Assassination&search=8.1.-1|abilities.310690
wide delta
thx @strange python
seems like noone is playing lol
how do u filter out essences tho?
strange python
you get the spell-id from a log and then there's a magnifying glass top-ish right side of the ranking page that opens up a page you can put it in
scenic marlin
what would best minor essenses to run if you dont have c&s rank 3?
ik simming but some seem to be a bit weird at times
mighty elm
the swirly boi
scenic marlin
like ive seen some logs
people use vision of perfection
but surely that just throws out the Vanish cd line up
scarlet sequoia
tell me what sims highest for you and ill tell you what to use
scenic marlin
scarlet sequoia
okay, use that
lean jackal
Why does Wowhead say shrouded suffocation is a good azerite trait but on bloodmallet(which is linked to the same page on Wowhead) that trait is like 5th from the bottom one of the worst traits for dps?
tropic ocean
because it is a good azerite trait
and bloodmallet herodamage or all these site are very static
arctic walrus
Both sites use one talent/gear profile to sim all traits against it, and ss has practically any value without subt
civic hatch
Is 3xss/3xeb still the best m+ build? I got 3xss/2xeb/1xhod as my best set up, hopefully can get final eb this week
echo crest
hello!
im playing poison build with subterfuge
i should only cast one garrote right? i shouldnt use 2 since im not using SS traits
can i refresh the subterfuge garrote with a normal one once it is 5.5sec or less?
strange python
dont refresh wait out until its gone and then reapply and if u dont have ss traits u use it once
echo crest
ok and what about when i get mu cds again
strange python
u use vanish on cd and apply buffed garrote
dawn root
What's the better play in visions? Exang or TB?
dawn root
Have that setup. Normally do outlaw so gonna melt some bosses as sin
ionic hemlock
You've gotta be kitten me right meow. I got Honed Mind I (Mastery buff) and Ineffable truth II
I got 60 pairs of boots and gloves I just need a not 425 trinket!
naive cypress
Does exang work on NP dot?
naive cypress
Ait
bleak spoke
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mNqmSvAYRkjVJKejptxLhB i n f i n i t e s t a r s b o i s
tropic ocean
@ionic hemlock man can't have enough boots
ionic hemlock
haha
leaden garden
How is asa compared to outlaw for m+, when it comes to raw damage output?
rotund schooner
I feel like that mans name is a lie
harsh sphinx
it's not 
bleak spoke
@gusty kestrel 
next solar
finally got gorak tuls. THANK YA RNGESUS
lethal heart
imagine
playing infinite stars
and not even
triple ss build
nice bait
are you
trollings
cobalt pelican
lmaoe 25 corruption coward sim
lethal heart
ye i can have 40
i did this sim long time ago probably
2-3 days
i have 9% crit belt that is like 1200 dps upgrade
but it puts me on 40 corruption
8/12 raider
an confirm
75 corruption is not high as rogue 🙂
lethal heart
ye they're hard stuck 8/12 probably XD
harsh sphinx
Not high 
bleak spoke
@lethal heart hehe i just hit 15 cloak today >_>
<_<
was feeling sick this week, didn't cap pvp or do all my visions lmao
tacit pebble
SS exsan build simming that high? neato
next solar
gah sims are taking forever
scarlet sequoia
let me have a look how void sims
next solar
i can see void outsimming, but good lord how much haste do you have when expedient procs?
scarlet sequoia
void is 340 dps worse than iris
next solar
interesting
scarlet sequoia
and with every single haste proc i reach 250% haste
next solar
fucking hell
scarlet sequoia
thats lust + op proc + racing pulse + vita + berserking
next solar
im having some fun memes times running t7 tendies, I have a few expedients that i should probably sim
crystal vault
@scarlet sequoia does it simm more than DD tb build?
modest gazelle
what are your guys thoughts in running VoP over Conflict on mythic nzoth? most of the asia guilds are running it, where as us/eu are doing conflict. wondering if anyone has experience, specifically for 2nd psychus group
next solar
crystal vault
feelsweirdman
next solar
t5 tendies + racing pulse is my highest so far, have way too much gear to sim
wet ruin
is exsanguinate snapshotting?
next solar
It shoudn't, blizz "took snapshotting away" a while back
wet ruin
isn't feral snapshotting
lean marten
bleeds & poisons scale with haste now, so i assume it reduces the duration but ramps the scaling
for sin
feral is the only spec that snapshots now im pretty sure
wet ruin
thats why I ask if exsanguinate snapshots, if I remember correctly it used to snapshot
cobalt pelican
it only uses your haste from point of cast yes
wet ruin
only the haste?
next solar
So do rogues for the most part, sim low compare to other classes? starting to see a lot of 90+ sims in my raid lol
cobalt pelican
yeah, only haste as far as i know - the actual dot tick damage is still dynamic
it's just the rate they tick at while exsang empowered is from point of cast
and rogues sim kinda on the lower end yes
wet ruin
so how do you use blood with esxang, is it exsang->blood, or blood->exsang?
if its dynamic crit then it should be exsang first right
cobalt pelican
exsang blood i'd imagine, both bleeds will still be >10 sec so using the gcd after ensures they get the entire blood buff
wet ruin
yea, exactly
next solar
welp, t7 tendies current max sim lmao https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9SuEae8fn4DuwXHdPWiLUh
next solar
xD
lean marten
that fat 10 worldvein ally sim
vagrant eagle
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static cove
anybody have a brief answer on why subterfuge sims better with razor coral?
static cove
ok was just curious like on hero damage trinket sims it shows sub with razor coral is better then razor coral without
quasi pewter
coral gives crit in ur burst window
ma gives crit in ur burst window
connect the dots
regal bluff
does mastery effect the dot on nothing personal?
quasi pewter
yes
regal bluff
thanks
serene portal
Hey guys, when should i use blood major?
quasi pewter
when as in at what point in the rotation?
serene portal
Yeah
serene portal
and do i take it over focusing in keys?
quasi pewter
most people do yes, but you can try iris too if you want
overall damage iris might actually be a little bit better
in some dungeons atleast
lime path
quasi pewter
yes
polar timber
is there any info on ss builds is it the same stat prio
scarlet sequoia
no
@polar timber
haste and crit (at least for me) became a lot better than mastery / vers
unless u mean for m+ then ignore me
vast forum
@scarlet sequoia i did a sim with 3xSS exsg DS and mastery came out on top
with CLF even, idk why
all the stats were still pretty equal
arctic walrus
went troll 
scarlet sequoia
had to do it bro
vast forum
still pretty close, but i got this on my first sim, gonna check out a few different things (bear in mind you have 2 expedients so it makes sense for your haste to be valued higher) 😄
wet ruin
imagine not getting helm + vita from the first kill 😄
ionic vault
Hi everyone, I'm new rogue and I was wondering if Cheap Shot would work on raid boss (not the stun but the 2 CP build up)
harsh sphinx
negative
ionic vault
ah damn, I thought I was going to revolution the assassination opener rotation
crimson palm
Why would you even cast cheap shot
arctic walrus
well you can open with mut instead and get even more than 2 🙂
crimson palm
Even if it gave cp
ionic vault
because im using subterfuge
strange python
still?
crimson palm
So...?
ionic vault
so I can cast garrote 3 secs after breaking out of stealth
crimson palm
ionic vault
well what do you open with
strange python
garrote?
ionic vault
but thats the thing.... garrote awards 1 CP, where CS awards 2. I wanted to open with something that would give me 2 CP and THEN I would still have 3 secs to cast garrote
so in the same amount of time I would be at 3 CP
instead of 2
quasi pewter
cast mut?
civic hatch
Mute garrote?
civic hatch
Lmao
strange python
u do garrote then mut no?
crimson palm
ionic vault
I know but I would need something that would switch my action page out of the stealth one
remember I said I was new to rogue lol...
rigid mango
I mean u always open w garrote if ur running subt aslong as ur coming in w 0 CP
ionic vault
The problem is my setup. My Garrote is number 1 key on my stealth bar and Mut is number 1 key on my action bar
civic hatch
Just use garrote on both bars?
ionic vault
the subterfuge talent makes the stealth action bar stay for 3 secs after stealth
strange python
xd
civic hatch
As 1
ionic vault
but then I would spam number 1 key and cast 4 garrotes lol
crimson palm
ionic vault
I know the fix is easy, breaking the habit of spamming that same key isnt lol
cosmic summit
bind it to mousewheel 
crimson palm
Are you even refreshing garrote?
crimson palm
I've a feeling you don't have it binded 
civic hatch
You garrote in and out of stealth so I would find 2different keys for same ability annoying
crimson palm
So bind em on the same key?
ionic vault
yes thats about the easiest fix lol. I guess Im just being lazy trying to find workarounds lol
that quarantine is melting my brain
cosmic summit
a great time to learn assasination in and out
crimson palm
Just play a DH
civic hatch
No more bar switching 😂
mighty ridge
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kind eagle
is Sin better for 5 mask visions than outlaw? what kind of setup for essences ect are you using
rigid mango
yes and 3SS + as many NP as possible
Using blood if you feel like you just want boss dmg, breath if u want a lot beter claer but a fair bit worse burst
Exsanguinate too
kind eagle
hmmm i'm going to make some azerite changes and see how it goes thanks @rigid mango
think 2% healing food is the play or the move speed food?
wet ruin
just go with leaching poison and use whatever food you are using normaly
kind eagle
i had been using the healing food as outlaw...so i guess just go with crit food then
true nexus
the healing food is really nice
rigid mango
@kind eagle really didn't feel the need for healing food, never drop low since you don't pull big but controlled. MS food is really insane though.
subtle aurora
hey guys is breath of undying a good major? Esp for this week's tyrannical
and if I were to squeeze in breath for the opener on ST, I guess it will be after vendetta before toxic blade?
sterile ocean
Should i purify these or no?
cobalt pelican
do you need them if they're purified
sterile ocean
Dropamizer says there a little better then what i got on but i dunno if the corruption is that good
cobalt pelican
it's not really that great no
you can put a purified version of them into your top gear sim and check out what it suggests
but it's likely you wouldn't ever use them unpurified
cobalt pelican
then.. remove something else?
sterile ocean
ah k
short quarry
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next solar
Raden is fun, timings on cds can be a pain during early prog haha
grave trail
did they stealth nerf TA my proc rate has been so shit
rigid mango
no
steep obsidian
this is probably a dumb question but why is subterfuge simming better then ma now even without any ss traits? seems weird
rigid mango
Scales better
steep obsidian
yar
ionic vault
My apologies if this has been covered before but when you sim for m+ do you guys use, no buffs, Patchwerk 5 boss, 90secs duration ?
grave trail
consistently doing 1 mil dmg with rank 4 used to be 2 mil 3 mil
velvet willow
any recommendation on which r3 essence to buy first? Choices are BoE, BotD, Unbound Force, VoP, C&S, PP, RiS, Formless Void
thinking BoE
drifting cloud
bote or breath I guess
velvet willow
breath it is
honest needle
why is subterfuge simming higher https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bfLz7m2gAyr4D2nduyckpr
rigid mango
Do u care about damage?
steep obsidian
its damooj
why wouldnt you
just get used to it get a weak aura to remind you to not be an idiot and overwrite your garrote too
honest needle
is opener the same on ravenholdt site ?
so when re u guys refrwshing gar how many seconds and do u still vanish garrote aftter first 1 runs out "?
steep obsidian
dont overwrite an empowered garrote
honest needle
so i do this 1 No Shrouded Suffocation powers for Toxic Blade
Garrote
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Rupture
Vendetta
Mutilate
Toxic Blade
Mutilate if less than 4 combo points
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
Vanish when Garrote hits 5.4 seconds or less when talented into subterfuge
steep obsidian
its diff with no ss
honest needle
this is with no ss
steep obsidian
yeah that seems what the apl is doin
steep obsidian
yeah i was wrong methinks
im just lookin at the buttons the apl is pressing
it uses vanish at 13 secs in to pandemic it to max
doesnt ever garotte twice like with ss because thta is only for cp gain
languid sail
For visions which is better - 3SS + 1NP or 2SS + 2NP?
rigid mango
first
hoary apex
how do you deal with thing from beyond?
sterile ocean
question if im speced into Sub without any ss traits do i vanish on cd?
honest needle
should i really use razor coral and eady eye spyglass ? because sims want me 2
which i dont understand why
I have really high trinekts
@sterile ocean u vanish at 5 secs left on your gar after opener
to give it the increase duration
and yes on cd after that
or line it up with vendetta
sterile ocean
ah ok
honest needle
theya re close to the same cd
looks like this new opener uses vision major tho so it might be every other vanish
with no ss and subterfuge do u still gar as many targets as u can
grave trail
so now it did 5 mil damage on my last pull from doing 1 mil 3 pulls
TA really is RNG as fk
dire terrace
can someone please refresh my memory on patchwerk AP traits? 3x DD 1x NP and? I forget the rest
rigid mango
Whatever sims best
ancient ginkgo
Damn boys my rogue got 2x 6% and 1x 9% haste from all sources. With triple heart of darkness I have a solid 3200 haste which is like 47% haste while still having 31% Crit and 40% mastery. Feels like I have perma bl with my trinkets or haste navigation proccs. Somehow with this high haste my stat weights say haste is still kinda even worth with the other secondarys
I never really starve energy with this and it makes my lucid proccs feel like they are overkill
worldly fable
Is echoing void so bad atm that it's better off if I cleanse the item?
rigid mango
Most likely.
worldly fable
I'll sim it ofc but I'm also looking what the general consensus is
rigid mango
Really really really bad
worldly fable
I'll just cleanse right away then
stiff pivot
In workshop, king's rest and other dungeons with less mobs do i still go 3x SS?
stiff pivot
Thanks!
drifting light
is the Azerok trinket worth using instead of lets say Torment in a Jar?
for m+
or hivemind for example too
terse orchid
How good do y'all think TD3 really is. It's so much corruption and I feel like my current setup of a shitton of mastery would be better overall
vast forum
if you actually hit all the mobs with your TD every time, it's probably best dps/corruption
strange python
is there a way to copy a gearset of 1 sim and then compare it to another gearset of the other sim?
crimson palm
Deeper Stratagem just started simming higher for me, how does this affect the TB windows / pandemic timers?
rigid mango
Pandemic is still static 30% so you can do the maths yourself quite easily
Tb windows shouldn't be changed afaik. If DS sims higher my assumption is huge haste so should just be fine
rigid mango
Same same
Don't understand why DS would change it
Aslong as you're not overcapping you're not losing damage so
crimson palm
Since I probably need 3x globals to reach a DS if no crit?
I'm envenoming at 5-6 CP no?
rigid mango
I mean hopefully 2 GCD's to reach finisher, 3 is giga unluck
There's never been a strict rule on amount of env's inside of tb, the simple answer is just as many as possible
Aslong as you're not wasting potential damage it's fine
crimson palm
aight, will give it some tries
rigid mango
with vend
wide linden
i mean i start boss i put it then wait until i get cd backs pop it with venda and blood of the enemy?
crimson palm
yes
tropic scroll
Hi I got 2 innefable truth today. Is it really bad or average corruption?
rigid mango
Probably the worst ther eis
honest basin
It has a potential on some raid fights though, some people have been doing pretty well on some specific fights with 3 NP and VoP Major. IT might be fun with that build.
rigid mango
Don't see how it becomes better because of that.
Unless the boss dies within a VERY specific window.
worldly fable
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vagrant tapir
strange python
can you link a log that uses it
manic cairn
does it makes sense to play with Infinite Stars Rank 1? xD
dark crag
magic willow
Im watching many ppl using blood and VoP on assa but do u need some specific traits or smth to make it worth, at least for me using Worldvein, lucid, breath and iris is the higher sim
highest**
soft pond
Problem is no one besides us use worldvein and i think frost dk
magic willow
I actually play with frost dk in raid and he runs worldvein
strange python
hunters too i think
leaden garden
Enh aswell :)
strange python
How do you guys deal with the last pack before Rexxar in visions?
distant cypress
Got 465 ilvl plumage trinket, is it good with 3 x appendages II corruptions ? Probably should sim it, but i wonder what the general opinion on it.
somber vector
Is there a cap at which you should stop getting more haste for PvP?
pseudo hamlet
@somber vector there's PvP chat, but I think it's 20% haste > versa
somber vector
Ah sorry but thanks anyway
crimson palm
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https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
misty hazel
Is there any other way to get a SS trait head piece besides titan residuum and ra-den ?
rocky ruin
World Quest Emissary maybe, Warfront if there exist a SS Head maybe
flat wadi
DO you just blood after you get a desired roll?
rocky ruin
@flat wadi Roll? Outlaw?
crimson palm
During vendetta opener with bote and deeper stratagem, do you envenom at 4 CP or 6 CP?
Since most mutilates generate 4 CP, I feel like I'm wasting envenoms during tb to do 6 CP ones
scarlet sequoia
rupture 4+ envenom 5+ @crimson palm
crimson palm
So you do overcap 2 cps during the bote window?
scarlet sequoia
ye
crimson palm
crimson palm
1 sec
scarlet sequoia
by quite a bit
crimson palm
I tried variations with clf but It was lower
scarlet sequoia
ye link anyways
scarlet sequoia
aight give me a few min
crimson palm
aight
nimble mesa
Hey guys. I'd like to start thinking ahead for N'Zoth progress (our guild is progressing on Ra'den, so that would be in a 4/5 weeks). I'm trying to understand what are gonna be the best spec (I'd assume Assass honestly) for progress, and what would be the best corruptions to aim for. My understanding is that for this fight, appendage would probably be the best. What's your opinion on Infinite Stars though?
I find looking at warcraftlogs tricky, cause it reflects what gives the best overall DPS rather than what will help most solving strategy challenges (sometimes it's both, on some fights/raids, not really). For instance, I don't mind loosing some padding, as long as I'm much more efficient on the phases that matter. As I don't have the overview of this, and most people for did this progress probably do, I'm hoping I could get an answer here.
tacit pebble
infinite stars blows mostly on nzoth because in the phases that matter theres always 3-5 targets up
i'd play sin, but outlaw is fine on the fight too
neither spec is great for the boss, sin does better in the burn windows
unborn pendant
Wait, is beam actually better than Blood of the Enemy?
I feel like it shouldn't be but that wowhead guide is showing it as a LOT higher for some reason.
royal lantern
blood is a nobrainer in m+ for sin
unborn pendant
Yeah, I thought so.
royal lantern
the interaction with EB alone makes it really good+its better for st than beam
cobalt pelican
stars can kinda work on nzoth just due to the nature of how long it is, but it's still pretty rough sometimes
when i looked (briefly) at logs for rogues they'd get to 10 at ~8 mins andi t'd hold for the rest of the fight but
there's quite a few where there's like 7 procs on a harvester 2 on nzoth somehow from 8mins to kill
strange python
Would you use focused resolve over unbridled if unbridled only sims 200 more?
strange python
I was wondering if it were more stable, but idk 😄
dawn root
I mainly play outlaw but have been playing sin a lot more lately, and once you get use to the pulls in visions as sin w/ 3x SS + Exang. At 472 ilvl things just absolutely melt. I just did a 5 mask org, all chests, all crystals and had all 3 orbs left at Thrall. Fun stuff. 3x SS slaps, as does BotD
strange python
Cheers @scarlet sequoia
wet zealot
im wondering if its worth going outlaw for mythic nzoth ?
fallen sapphire
Hey chaps I'm working (albeit late I know) on r3 BOTE essence. I'm happy using this as Outlaw as even at r2 it feels awesome to use and feels a lot better than r3 iris. For Assassination, Raidbots always sims Worldvein or CLF as higher, so I was just curious if you think for now r2 bote would actually beat wv or clf, or if I'm better of just going with w/e sims are saying? Also, I see a lot of sin rogues going bote +vision for Wrathion mythic and stuff like shadhar, both cd's end up being 1.5mins so I understand the synergy, but again, this isn't reflected in sims and that combination never sims the highest. I guess my question is, considering how prolifically used Raidbots is, why the simulations aren't reflecting the best essences and combos?
cobalt pelican
r2 bote shouldn't be used as basically any spec as a major
dawn root
All I know is R2 blood is terrible compared to R3. You want R3 or use something else
cobalt pelican
and in the case of wrathion it's not just because they line up, it's because every 2 minutes you spend a minute doing nothing and your options are either get 2 vendettas before that, or hold your vendetta for over a minute while doing the intermission
fallen sapphire
yeah that's what I was thinking, thanks, I'll run CLF probably until r3.
And @cobalt pelican thanks, makes sense
strange python
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worldly fable
Is Iris Major actually better than BotE Major for M+? It's sim-ing higher for me however that might be because I don't have Breath of the Dying R3 yet (I'm pairing Iris with bote/dreams/pp and bote with breath/dreams/pp)
worldly fable
I see
tranquil goblet
so BotD is not best for assa?
next solar
Any tricks and tips for mythic raden for sin?
vast forum
depends on what your group needs, i ruptured boss and funneled the prio adds
strange python
If you don’t have blood of the enemy, is Condensed life force, or world vein the better major?
dawn root
CLF or BotD
strange python
Okay, what minors should you be using?
dawn root
Always VoP, but Conflict and strife is good, Iris is good as a minor. Also BotD is almost mandatory if you're using CLF or BotE
shy dust
In what scenarios @strange python
Vop isn’t usually taken in a raid scenario but is a nice minor for m+
white wyvern
Memory is the only mandatory that us used in all content.
royal lantern
vop minor is good on some fights cus it gives you more blood+vendetta cast
strange python
Alrighty! Thanks for the tips !
hoary crown
meeh playing with 1 r3 and 1 r2 appendage atm, it seems fckn garbage
royal lantern
appendage is "pray too rngesus" the corruption
sometimes its #1 with like 24%dmg done
sometimes it does 0,8% and never procs at all
dark token
yeah stars = shit, tendies are the real parser
shy axle
how do you do the opener with subterfuge and no ss? any guide got it covered?
dark token
ravenholdt guide
shy axle
u sure, people here said it isn`t maintained anymore because of behind the scenes stuff
subtle dust
does twisted appendage crits benefit from increased crit damage corruption? since its considered a pet
marsh aurora
hey guys. Have golden plumage 465 and razor coral on 430. plumage sims better than coral but on warcraftlogs I can see that every rogue is using it. Toughts about it ?
arctic walrus
because that's a pretty low ilvl coral and a pretty high ilvl plumage
marsh aurora
should I go to raid with coral ?
arctic walrus
no because obviously your plumage simmed higher
quick harbor
Would you guys use 3 x rank 2 mind flay OR 1x rank 2 mind flay + 1x rank 3 infin star on mythic carapace ?
quick harbor
YEa 475
strange python
Is on a multitarget fight?
Idk if thats the right call but im not at mythic carapace soo idk
drifting cloud
only dmg that matters for rogue on the fight is last phase boss dmg
and going into it with 5+ stacks of IS is pretty good
pseudo hamlet
I need help. I got some trinkets last 2 weeks from the M+ caches and I have no idea which are best for M+? (I don't use font/coral, cba clicking them)
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/44tiuDVRrReJjeiECyuv6B
crimson palm
@scarlet sequoia is the mythic carapace chest a requirement for the 3SS build you're rolling? I've got the heroic piece and tomorrow hopefully I can get ra's helm
scarlet sequoia
@crimson palm i mean its the highest ilvl ss piece, not required but its bis
strange python
@pseudo hamlet hear me out.. what if you.. run something like this: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mvijwfn9on2cqSt3nrHCL7
upper wedge
Raidbot's so weird. Subterfuge simming 800 higher than MA on ST without any SS traits for me
scarlet sequoia
thats not weird
crimson palm
It just scales better than MA
upper wedge
Blood + MA doesn't interact well on sims?
pseudo hamlet
@strange python that's awesome, thanks! Anyway, are Wrathion trinket(460) and Dead-Eye Spyglass(440) better than the Tiny Electromental in a Jar(475)?
For M+ obviously.
radiant berry
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
crimson palm
@scarlet sequoia https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mSTZZdCgsLFm1QPGFp8L6K this is the build right?
It still seems to be simming the same as my current gear
(If I equip goraks, ST would be 84.5k-ish)
crimson palm
the 3x SS Exs build
crimson palm
Even tho It's simming 83k on 5 min I guess It'll be much bigger on shorter fights
& some padding potential 😄
scarlet sequoia
ya
distant cypress
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aThX46XA15QhivyNdMKC5c which should i try to replace first? Engi head or chest piece ?
quasi pewter
with residuum or what?
distant cypress
yea residuum lottery
quasi pewter
you can do a droptimizer
and see where you have higher potential of upgrade
propably chest tho
outer lodge
Breath major > BoTE and Worldvein in my sims 🤔
idle lily
going energy starved a lot on bosses in mythic what should be the haste % im looking for
strange python
Is it normal for rogue to be really shit in bfa untill they get good gear. When leveling from 110-120 I take a lot of dmg from mobs and i do like no dmg at all. When i leveled my pally i did more than double of the dps. My guildmates keep telling me that when i get gear rogue will start doing even more dps then ret. Is this true? Because i really like the rogue play style but i always run out of energy and dps seems so low
north basalt
Hiya quick question, is it better to stack double dose or nothing personal, and is heart of darkness worth it?
drifting cloud
assa is not really good lvling spec
hod is good, 1st np sims really good then drops off a little bit
strange python
but im 120 but i only have 250 Ilevel
drifting cloud
just depends on what pieces you have exactly
strange python
so i gotta gear
north basalt
I got all the hc pieces from ny
drifting hare
are you guys actually playing with more than 20 corruption? my cloak is not good enough now to dump down enough but I really don't want to let some of my items in my bag until I got enough resistance
drifting cloud
you need 25 to activate HOD so yeah we do
north basalt
currently running darkheart robe, nzoth shoulders and stygian guise
Is it better to swap out for the other azerite pieces or not?
drifting hare
whats HOD?
rigid mango
Heart of darkness
north basalt
heart of darkness
knotty pond
can somebody explain to me what the fuck im doing wrong
i dont understand why the fuck my dps is so dogshit
cobalt pelican
have you read the guide
rigid mango
You seem to be fundamentally playing the spec wrong
Since you overcapped nearly 30 CP during one maut kill with mut
Which fyi, is an atrocity alone.
Drops in TB casts for some reason
civic hatch
Do you even finishing moves
rigid mango
Your opener is horrible
Guides are a really good start point and try to replicate the information you find in the icyveins guide, wowhead, RH or the pins.
civic hatch
Is that an envenom into vanish into first rupture?
rigid mango
Yessir.
whole sinew
My sims say that triple twist the knife is about the same amount of DPS as triple double dose, what causes double dose to be the proper pick in most/all situations? Is it just more consistent of a pick and less RNG dependant on envenom crits?
rigid mango
Link the sim
whole sinew
last time i had simmed it a few days ago, when i was using font, it was like a 50ish loss to use the 465 darkheart
rigid mango
I feel like it's pretty obv to just pick the bigger sim in these cases bec it's nto a matter of small numbers
nearly 600 is a lot
1.8k is fucking enormous
rigid mango
I mean this sim is just kinda w/e
whole sinew
which was when i had meant to ask, but raid was already over for the week and it didnt cross my mind
rigid mango
it's v irrelevant
whole sinew
thats my point of asking, at the time it just seemed to be basically the same as each other
drifting cloud
that sim has a 465 chest
drifting cloud
the 1.8k doesnt?
whole sinew
as i said, i dont have mythic vex killed, so the 480 isnt viable
rigid mango
I mean uhh
Ur also simming w vop minor which probably should be better there(?)
or are u simming for smth specific
whole sinew
still in essences for wrathion
with normal essences, the difference is 400dps https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nZ2hJ6Pnt3nSoYxR1j8jQc
since last week when they were equal, ive lost a bunch of crit and gained some haste, could that be a factor as to why?
pure harbor
Hey im putting up a wanted poster for this assa WA
does someone know where it can´t be found, cuz can´t seem to find it on wago :/
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
cobalt pelican
just.. ask the person in the screenshot? it just looks like a homemade basic set
pure harbor
its me but i had a pc wipe so i lost it :/
found it... it was litteraly front page on wago xD
sullen sphinx
on xanesh do you hold your second vendetta until after the second set of adds?
or do you pop it on cd
during second void ritual
sullen sphinx
just seems like it would be wasted if i popped during second void ritual then had to kill adds
drifting cloud
if your kill timer is between 5-6 you can easily delay
since you wont lose a cast because of it
honest needle
should i really use razor coral and eady eye spyglass ? because sims want me 2
which i dont understand why
sullen sphinx
thanks
rigid mango
What's wrong with that @honest needle ?
honest needle
I was told 2 much crit will make it not work
@rigid mango
with NP vision major when should i be using coral with every vendetta ? or wait till 20 stacks and use with second 1 ?
rigid mango
Obv that's not enough crit.
honest needle
i was told with coral and spyglass it woul over cap my crit
how many stacks should i use razor coral with vision major and 3 NP
rigid mango
With vendetta?
hollow vault
the API correct in that subterfuge w/ no SS is just casted once per open/vanish?
rigid mango
Yessir
honest needle
@rigid mango so i always do it with vendetta
i dont wait till more then 10 stacks ?
rigid mango
Just with each vendetta cast yeah
dark token
getting unbenched so quick im playing sin with outlaw azerite
hardy wind
obviously 3x SS is a staple for m+, but for tyrannical and probably even raging weeks, is it still worth stacking EB or better to have TTK/HoD instead?
sour glade
Even on tyr weeks m+ is heavily about how fast you kill trash.
Maybe you drop EBs in KR/Siege/Temple Tyr but I wouldn't reforge or anything.
fading wigeon
crimson temp AD tyranical?
quasi pewter
3ss 3 HoD is a very good build, not only for tyrannical @hardy wind
rigid mango
idk 0 eb just felt bad on fort weeks
when shit doesn't die relativly fast it feels like ur dmg is just gonezo
quick solar
does anyone know, on mythic N'zoth if the neurons are blindable?
amber trench
Yes they are
If you blind one as it spawns and put at least a 3 cp ks into another you can prevent 2 neurons from growing
And dps a 3rd
quick solar
sounds hot, thank you
amber trench
Np
honest needle
so with no ss and when using vision major with 2 NP when i come out of stealth can i still pul empowered garrote on more than 1 target
Like can i garrote 3 targets out of stealth when using subterfuge ?
rigid mango
Dunno u tell me
knotty pond
wish i knew
arctic walrus
No zine you figure it out
knotty pond
define bad gear?
rigid mango
Bad enough to sim 64.4k
knotty pond
so helpful
knotty pond
well im posting for advice
rigid mango
ur simming ur major without half of its strength
You have unsocketed ring
you have 1 corr
Like
knotty pond
i dont have unsocketed ring?
rigid mango
455 ring w/o socket?
ur simming some real dogshit trinkets too
I mean u literally have 1 piece w corr on it like idk
knotty pond
all i got
rigid mango
You have 2 socketed items and a bunch of vanilla shit
like idk dude
this seems unreasonably bad gear ngl
drifting cloud
you have 0 corr and hod in chest
knotty pond
lemme resim.
rigid mango
Idk how u don't have like any corr tho that must be like mega unluck
drifting cloud
he has 3 cleansed items from weekly equipped
rigid mango
^
knotty pond
surge?
rigid mango
Yes.
knotty pond
ok thanks.
leaden garden
Hey guys i can finally buy an essence on my asa alt. He currently has like rank1s. What do i go for first? Wv (we have many melees using it) or CLF? I do not have access to bote
faint harness
Bote, so its sad that you dont have it
leaden garden
Sad indeed
leaden garden
Thanks @hidden bay
faint harness
breath is really good for all content
sullen pagoda
@knotty pond on hit vers is pretty strong actually 
all that 475 purified gear
please tell me u've been purifying vers on hit
white marten
so i just started 8.3 stuff and barely have any essences should i go for blood of the enemy
drifting cloud
Yeah
Isnt next week pve Ab brawl
Or well I know its sometime soon and thats perfect time to get bote
drifting hare
do you actually get more upgrade for your cloak when you defeat more quarters in visions?
or is it enough just to kill the boss?
lethal heart
depends on which upgrade part are you
drifting hare
part? I don't know what you mean, just started a few days ago since dazaralor
I just want to push my cloak level
strange python
first 6 upgrades are "kill the boss"
then you gotta do some side areas
then some other side areas
and so on
idk if this is still updated but you should get the idea https://www.wowhead.com/news=306277/legendary-cloak-upgrades-will-be-weekly-capped-with-a-catch-up-mechanism
drifting hare
ok thanks thats all I want to know
strange python
make sure you read the quest text and take the quest before going in
drifting hare
am I even able to full clear with rank 4 cloak?
I always run out of sanity after 2 quarters
lethal heart
nah
you definitely are not
not until cloak ~6-7 probably if you were doing decent clears of your visions
so you have decent tree researches
(table near mother)
cosmic pier
is there a custom option for raidbots so i can sim, not starting in stealth
uncut cave
any recommendations on what vendor azerite to buy for assa?
tropic ocean
for raid gorak tuls
and depending if u can kill vexiona mythic or not cephalohide jacket
for m+ the pieces with ss/eb
uncut cave
well im outlaw for m+ so prolly gorak tuls
inland gull
on tyra 17/18 what u usually pull?
vast forum
i think he meant dps wise
inland gull
ye sry
inland gull
that is with 3ss2eb+np/hod?
inland gull
my st sucks then xd
inland gull
what ur stats look like?
inland gull
so minors vop breath lucid?
tropic ocean
yea
vop minor is really good depending on boss u get at least 2 often 3 vendettas in
- u can use it a lot more frequently on hard trash mobs to melt them
or to kill obelisk mobs when u play them with boss
ornate osprey
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
tropic ocean
and still get 2 vendettas on the boss itself
strange python
What’s the limit of corruption a rogue should aim for?
vast forum
depends on content
59 is fine for most stuff, 39 for n'zoth progress
and some other bosses 😛
generally 39 for progress is recommended
balmy dome
this is our Xanesh kill, I am in charge of interrupting the second add. does anyone have any tips? And also, when my 2nd vendetta comes up it is in the middle of running to the add, should I vendetta the add or hold vendetta for 20 seconds to put on the boss?
faint harness
The add should die really quickly
So if you want to waste like 10 seconds of vendetta, use it on add
balmy dome
so better to hold it for 20 seconds you think?
crimson palm
No
You will lose a cast
Either go with vop minor, or ask your raidlead for a change
balmy dome
Gotcha, going vop might be the play
little sandal
can someone give me a idea on how to use razor cutter i have not gotten it yet but i want to be ready for when i get it
faint harness
I assume you meant coral
strange python
!coral
prisma monolithBOT
The way to use coral in M+ is using it on your priority target,
and then whenever that target dies, reapply it to your next target.
Whenever your target dies it gives you the crit it would give from using it,
so consuming the stacks for crit mid pack is generally suboptimal.
strange python
for st its in the pins i think
little sandal
oh ok so just use with every vendeta ty
can someone help me with the aoe rotation on m+
strange python
pins
little sandal
let say theres 4 targets u empower garote 3 normal garote 1 get 2 rupters in 2 targets and spam fan of knifes and crimson tempest or should u spam 1 crimson tempest then spam evenom with fan of knife and refresh tempest 2 sec left
crimson palm
read the pins
little sandal
i am but i dont understand it
winter gale
Is 29% Crit
24% Haste ok?
wide delta
does anyone know what addon makes this show for me?
http://prntscr.com/rn81ec
plain thistle
corruption tooltip
worldly fable
You empowered Garrote 3 targets, you use ct then a fok, rupture w/e and then you spamm fok
The reason you rupture is for the energy gain
crimson palm
You don't "spam" fok, you use the 5 seconds bote window to cast 5 globals out
wide delta
@plain thistle i have that addon and also the option enabled but it still doesnt show
http://prntscr.com/rn84nu
strange python
sometimes you need to hover multiple times over the corrupted eye thing
How many heart of darknesses you usually want?
crimson sleet
got 2 Questions about Toxic Blade
1: I got Garote and Rupture on my Target, 4 CP, and 2-3sec CD left on Toxic Blade,
Should i w8 and get some Energy ? or do 1 rotation of Evenom / mutilate ?
2: Should i use Toxicblade even on full CP ?
crimson sleet
kk. and should i generally w8 for Energy to do more Evenom / mutillate ? or just spam it
scenic marlin
Question: how come Subterfuge would be simming higher than MA with 0 shrouded Suffocations?
scenic marlin
but majority of the high logs have MA ?
white wyvern
So?
scenic marlin
guess thats just gear scaling too
white wyvern
A lot of people just stick to MA because that's what they are used to and typically the difference between MA and Subterfuge is pretty small.
scenic marlin
hmm fair enough
clear horizon
i'm leveling and my rogue keeps going out of stealth like a second after activating it
whats going on
clear horizon
the dot might be it
faint cedar
yeah, most damage will take you out of stealth
limber lion
I see a lot of Assa rogues using the Vita-Charged Titanshard with Ashvane's Razor Coral. I just got one and according to sims my Font + Coral is 600 dps higher than Vita + Coral. Font and Coral are 430 ilvl, Vita is 460. Even simmed a mythic Vita and it says that font is 450+ dps higher. Kinda dumb if a 430 trinket beats a 475 one.
Why is everyone using Vita, it sims terribly for me
strange python
Firstly, it benefits your raid
Everyone in your group gets the Buff
So If the DPS difference is small for you, it will still be a raid dps increase
Secondly, they probably have expedient pieces which increase Vitas value
limber lion
- Yeah I understand that, but seeing it on the top logs (on all difficulties) is odd. Maybe good for progressions, but you would think that for logs it's not great. Unless of course if the idea is that everyone gets more haste therefore the boss dies quicker which then in turn results in more overall dps.
- Rarely, most just stack Twisted Appandages or have a huge Infinite Stars.
But yeah, I don't know. Will have to test and see. I despise the font and double active, so it would be great if the Vita was better.
subtle tundra
i despise it too but it feels good when you get that banger burst and go ham on dps
limber lion
Yeah, it feels good in the beginning but in the middle of the pull it's awful
harsh sphinx
playing something you despise. why bother 400 sim dps is pretty much nothing
hybrid magnet
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > vers => mastery > haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
sour glade
Is Twilight Dev particularly good or bad for sin for M+?
Anecdotally it feels like it procs less for my rogue than my warrior
My weekly chest gave me 475 trixie/naeno dagger with TD3
Trying to figure out if it's worth the budget
next solar
rng is rng really, and depends on build
limber lion
Rogues don't get GCD reduction from haste like warriors so if they have a lot of haste or bl they're gonna attack faster and thus proc td more often
subtle tundra
huh?
tropic ocean
I dont think twilight is good at all
its super rng, and very little "effective" dmg
white wyvern
How is it not effective damage?
tropic ocean
its good on fury/tanks/dh cuz of the proc frequency but for sin
cuz it randomly procs into stuff where u dont really need it?
strange python
but when it procs you go vrrr haha dead mobs
tropic ocean
like its high overall yes
does it speed up the key significantly compared to stuff like stat/gushing wounds?
no
white wyvern
What do you mean?
The only time it procs and you don't "need" it is if you are positioned poorly and pull extra mobs or roll some bursting with it or something.
IDK how you can say it doesn't speed up dungeons at all.
tropic ocean
read again
white wyvern
IDK how you can say it doesn't speed up dungeons at all compared to stat/gushing wounds...
tropic ocean
I never said it
but ok
does it speed up the key** significantly compared** to stuff like stat/gushing wounds?
white wyvern
does it speed up the key significantly compared to stuff like stat/gushing wounds? no
?
white wyvern
tropic ocean
U play a pack theres 4 mobs 3 mil life
1 mob 5mil life
u td will proc 200k on all
4 mobs will die 1mob will be let with 1mil or w/e from cleave
now if u had x gushing or w/e and putting it on the 1 moball mobs will die at the same time
white wyvern
That example is literally like SoB and that's it.
tropic ocean
nah
white wyvern
kk
tropic ocean
besides it procs very little compared to dh or fury
like
this is from 18 ml
using 18%+12%
13%~ rng dmg not sure if worth it when my 2x carapace already does 10-11% overall
🤷
(not accounting for how much more corruption it is as well)
tranquil goblet
can thistle tea still be purchased?
ionic hemlock
kinda dumb you can't use tea all the time.
ripe geyser
thin bone
I've been battling sims for the past month trying to figure out a consistent singletarget build as assa
Would anyone be able to suggest any good builds of trinkets/stats/essences/traits surrounding crit and mastery corruptions?
Infnite stars and mindflay will always sim so much higher and im wondering if theres a way to reach a sim close to these ones without running any stars or flays
vast forum
coral+vita/font, bote major for most relevant progress bosses, lucid/breath minor with last spot being flexible
thin bone
yeah this is kindof a default
vast forum
IS is simbait (mostly)
thin bone
just cba using stars r4 I cant get tilted anymore by pulls without any procs
and even when I do get procs i just feel filthy to be top dps without any skill involved
ripe geyser
Dropped x2 mind flays for inf now. Dno how it turns out tho. As you said @thin bone stars is simbait
thin bone
it will be a bait aswell
mb a lower bait but still a bait
Im just thinking if any talent or trait benefits highly from mastery or crit
something I could try checking out since all my gear combos are going as high as 50m iterations
so I cant actually compare everything together
and I feel like comparing all of my gear in chunks is just sloppy and I will probably miss on some good combos
tropic ocean
well stars is pretty consistent and strong on st
like shadhar/wrathion/maut
if you pair it with expedient and haste stack even more
thin bone
I had a r3 stars on 475 piece from the start of the patch
it has been alot of things, but NEVER consistent
tropic ocean
on full st?
tropic ocean
idk for these 3 bosses its usually 15~20% of my dmg
way better than tentacle which is 5k dps or 30k
but I play with around 52% non bl haste so
might influence it
tropic ocean
39
thin bone
expedients I guess?
tropic ocean
yeah expedient
3 op
vita trinket quick navigation
formless void
and iris
need to check how much haste when all stuff procs
in bl highest I seen so far was 180ish%
thin bone
anyone here with any info to redeem me off of infinite stars?
tight ridge
what am i looking for on raid azerite in terms of single target? 3 x Double Dose 3x Heart ?
tropic ocean
whatever you can get and sims best out of those of your options
theres no "bis" unless you have access to high rated pvp azerite and 12/12M
🙂
tight ridge
i know, i will sim but just thought there is general direction to aim for
vast forum
SS np isn't bis for ST
spare flame
ionic hemlock
Not sure, I don't raid.
vast forum
you don't sim for drestagath really
alpine rain
What stat weights do i need to start using Master Assassin?
tropic ocean
just sim ur char and see what is better for u
and for drest u pretty much just use breath major thats it
vast forum
my vision with 3xSS 3xNP sims 3k lower than the usual builds (bote/clf/WV)
lean marten
using subt?
vast forum
yes
lean marten
https://i.imgur.com/Si6ggVf.png is top build on HeroDamage using Gibbering Maw, Goraks, Tortured Fleshbeast . doesn't specify the traits
