assassination

[lethal heart]

isnt it literally restricted

[marble hemlock]

but once you see DH with double mythic caress pumping

[lethal heart]

for only raden weapon?

[marble hemlock]

ye

i remember ram having 14% lash

in a freehold

with hc and normal caress

[quasi pewter]

our main dh still doesnt have it btw

[lethal heart]

ye its insanely strong

dps/corruption

[marble hemlock]

its ridiculously strong for dh

[frigid briar]

Yo, question on Writhing trinket in mythic+, sims worse than torment in a jar at same item lvl, but the APL uses bote after Writhing trinket use. The trinket has chance to crit per target hit meaning The trinket seems to gain 2-4% overall dps when using Bote before it. Is the default APL just to use trinkets after 3 garrotes for Assass mythic+?

[cobalt pelican]

if you have any stars on your gear expedient value goes through the roof instantly

prolly explains the gw shenanigans

[quasi pewter]

3x mythic raden 5x hc splits no weapon for our dh

[shut garnet]

thats unluk

big time

[marble hemlock]

i coined hc caress on my monk last week, in case i wanna swap to WW 😄

[fading walrus]

do we have a guide for assass pve spec and essences?

[lethal heart]

its fine breo

just bring other classes

right

🙂

not like you must have 2 demon hunters in

[marble hemlock]

theres a guide in the pins @fading walrus

[cobalt pelican]

if a trinket has no implementation it just presses it on cd after things ahead of it in priority @frigid briar

v last in the list

writhing has no implementation

[quasi pewter]

worm trinket is not bad

[cobalt pelican]

it'd probably be better with bote but not significantly

[fading walrus]

@marble hemlock sry not that experienced wit hdiscord but how do i see them ?

[quasi pewter]

i had it 475 socket so i tried it last week

just using with bote everytime is pretty good

[frigid briar]

yeah same saryero

[edgy pawn]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-battle-for-azeroth-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[frigid briar]

I was on for rank 1 assass carapace last night

[edgy pawn]

there you go

[fading walrus]

ty

[frigid briar]

76k before hero and add pack came in with BoE and another trinket use

using that trinket

thats what made me look into it more

[fading walrus]

is there a pref guide between those ?

[marble hemlock]

@fading walrus

[lethal heart]

@marble hemlock btw regarding triple np/triple ss

the apl is full troll

when it comes to exsang

and it already sims kinda close

idk

[marble hemlock]

ye

[lethal heart]

and it has higher stat weights than my usual dd setup

so maybe

ss/hod

might be bis setup

[marble hemlock]

i wouldnt be surprised that if you can fit vanishes in well on any given encounter

with how add-heavy fights are

[lethal heart]

once everyone gets % stats on everything

xd

[marble hemlock]

that the build outperforms DD by a significant margin

i also think people are still sleeping on void ritual

[quasi pewter]

but vop major is the future

[lethal heart]

but yea its not that relevant really

naa man

vop minor maybe tho

i think bote is just too good to ditch

[marble hemlock]

its just like worldvein

vop major sims well

but realistically

theres just situations where it proccing is useless

[quasi pewter]

ye

ive been using it on nzoth

[marble hemlock]

its good for pure st

[lethal heart]

exception being dog boss

[marble hemlock]

but how many fights do we have like that

[lethal heart]

but this boss

[quasi pewter]

i wanna build some coral stacks

[lethal heart]

is kinda

infinite memes already anyway

[quasi pewter]

proccs vendetta on boss

very nice

[lean marten]

VoP is literally the essence version of IS

[marble hemlock]

yeah

[quasi pewter]

but even then its not bad

[marble hemlock]

i think controlled burst is the way to go this tier

[quasi pewter]

idk

[marble hemlock]

im gonna run 3ss 3np on nzoth on sunday

cause i wanna see the psychus and basher pump

[lethal heart]

i'm 100% sure you wanna play triple np

[marble hemlock]

i did ye

[lethal heart]

at least that

[quasi pewter]

blizzard knew

[lethal heart]

im sure of

just looking at 1st china man log

[marble hemlock]

and put np/ss everywhere

[lethal heart]

his NP does 1/2 of his double dose

and he played

3x dd vs 1x np

so yea

thats literally

eye test

shows that np is just much better xd

[marble hemlock]

you just dont mutilate all the time anymore

when theres

[lethal heart]

ye

[marble hemlock]

10 psychophages or shitters on carapace

even with 2 or 3dd its not worth mutilating

just plays much better with more crit

and no dd

honestly

only thing thats good about 3dd is like 20sec burst like vita on raden or smth

[lethal heart]

also for most people DS is better

[marble hemlock]

cause you do some good damage there

[lethal heart]

so you dont mutilaet that much aswell

because of that

[marble hemlock]

mmmh

what do you think of my 400iq assa build btw seb

[lethal heart]

triple ss/triple np?

if you have setup for that that can work

[marble hemlock]

3ss 3hod ct deeper stratagem formless void

yoink lucid for st

yoink bote/iris for aoe

[lethal heart]

rofl

idk

[marble hemlock]

do you know

how much

lucid+deeper pumps on st

[lethal heart]

but people have ot play

lucid major

for you to steal it

[marble hemlock]

mage

[lethal heart]

or

[marble hemlock]

protwarrior

they both play lucid

[lethal heart]

prot warrior plyas vision major or?

plays*

[marble hemlock]

no

[lethal heart]

or conflict major

[marble hemlock]

well, maybe now

[cloud stratus]

Anywhere I can look into assa 2v2 guides on which target to focus on and so on?

[marble hemlock]

but its usually either

conflict or lucid

cause with lucid you get 2 avatars during it

[shut garnet]

@cloud stratus #pvp

[marble hemlock]

issue with lucid major is that its useless on aoe

or id play it over bote

but with formless you wouldnt have to

if you need burst aoe

just yoink iris

or bote

so in a protwarr/mage/dh comp

you definitely get access to both

[lethal heart]

im just gonna play outlaw

i know that

[marble hemlock]

[lethal heart]

raden weapons are just too free

and too good

[marble hemlock]

thats the lazy mans option

honestly

with how much dmg corruptions make

and a ss/exsang build for example

[lethal heart]

i mean

thats my azerite

[marble hemlock]

nothing stopping you from playing

[lethal heart]

right now

lmao

[marble hemlock]

caress as assa

[fading walrus]

if u have 50 corruption and ur resistance is 52, so meaning i have no corrutpion taken, does heart of darkness work then ?

[lethal heart]

no

[fading walrus]

ok thank u

[lethal heart]

you must have 25 corruption post resistance

[jaunty arrow]

@marble hemlock do we still use 3x EB:? or its not worth with td atc..

[lethal heart]

dont thnik you wanna play eb

with how heavily st oriented this season is

[jaunty arrow]

thats what i am thinking about

3x looks like waste but 1x i guess its not worth to use it

[lethal heart]

ye 1x maybe

[marble hemlock]

nah

0, 2 or 3

id never play 1eb

it doenst put you over the threshold where you actually start using fok instead of spending CPs

i think 40% crit 1eb was 9 or 10 targets to fokspam

2 was 8

might not look like a big differnece, but it is

[lethal heart]

idk im gonna get raden weapons thats 50 corruption already out of the way for outlaw and then probably some random td or infinite stars or idk

% crit/% vers maybe

or gushing wounds

and done

its just so conveniant for outla wgetting 2x raden weapons because its very cost efficient way of getting corruption

[marble hemlock]

yeah

as i said

i wouldnt be surprised

to see assa run raden weapons

and just ditch mutilate entirely

[lethal heart]

maybe

rofl

[marble hemlock]

most fights, even the prio ones, you just fok anyway

[lethal heart]

depends on your corruptions obv

[marble hemlock]

whether its spider or fear general

[lethal heart]

but

its just so cost efficient

[marble hemlock]

most bossfights have adds on occasion

and with decent crit its still only

[civic hatch]

But my tentacles daggers

[marble hemlock]

3styles for 4+ finsihers

with muti its 2

so 110energy per finisher

vs 105

🤷

and its not like mutilate deals any damage w/o dd

[lean marten]

can u even garrote/rup/env without dags

[lethal heart]

yes

you cannot use mutilate tho

[jaunty arrow]

Remind me legion antorus

[marble hemlock]

its legit only mutilate you cannot use

morning ran a double folly 3eb dungeon once or twice

wasnt really that bad on st

just ask peopel to pull trash with boss

[tropic ocean]

@quasi pewter raden weap is a myth

[marble hemlock]

you do it in good weeks anyway

[tropic ocean]

im coining 2x since raid release

🙂

[marble hemlock]

and then you barely notice a difference

[cunning moat]

Hi, can anyone give me some tips how to play subterfuge on single? Or point me to some links. I need to know proper opener and some rotation tips

[quasi pewter]

how much loss is it even to fok on st with 3eb over mut

[marble hemlock]

dmg wise per builder its not much

its the cp loss that hurts

[quasi pewter]

ye cant imagine it being that much

[marble hemlock]

but when 20% of your dmg is corruptions

that will matter less and less

[quasi pewter]

yea and you can still garrote

[marble hemlock]

esp when you can then afford to run like

2lash

like just imagine my gear

[quasi pewter]

which is like all of ur dps anyway

[marble hemlock]

with 3gushing 2lash

its not gonna matter if i mutialte or not

my st will still be good

cause, well, 2lash 3gush

😄

[scarlet sequoia]

this good or

[rigid mango]

ye should blast

[scarlet sequoia]

nice good

[tropic ocean]

neck 83

wtfffffff

[quasi pewter]

there is 88 necks isnt therer

ok neck*

1 guy

[tropic ocean]

nolifers

[quasi pewter]

its always casuals aswell

kinda weird

[rigid mango]

idk I'm close ish to 83 and I havn't done a single wq since I hit 80

[tropic ocean]

well if u dont pvp raid or m+

all u do is wq every day

[rigid mango]

true content

[lean marten]

past 80 is just 2 ilvl per?

[tropic ocean]

so i can see casuals with high necks ok

[quasi pewter]

your essences get stronger aswell

[tropic ocean]

but in top raiding guilds with 4+ raiding days and alts and shit

[quasi pewter]

@lean marten

[tropic ocean]

its just insane

[rigid mango]

Azerite powers scale with neck level

not only azerite piece level

[lean marten]

[rigid mango]

The increase is far from massive

but they get slight increases each neck levl

[tropic ocean]

increasing my neck from 80 to 88 is a dps difference of 11 dps

in raidbots

WORTH

[idle lily]

is infinite stars good on sin?

[rigid mango]

Really?

[vagrant vale]

Hey guys. My core group is starting to push past 15 keys and are pressuring me to go combat even though our aoe group is pretty nutty. I play sin with iris major to help out my aoe but wondering if I should start running bote for fok spam. Any of you guys have experience in this?

[rigid mango]

IS isn't good on any classes that don't have sky high haste unless the fights allow you to use it

[tropic ocean]

@rigid mango

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/knUftqhFvbxubx6Mr5A2De

[rigid mango]

Classes such as havoc or affli with giga haste, it's always good

[tropic ocean]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7jEqDPyBvmJyAQkB8CRfn8

well worth

[rigid mango]

hm that's interesting

Wait do they stop scaling past 80?

or

Should be a bigger diff than that if they scale

[marble hemlock]

i mean

[tropic ocean]

could be

[marble hemlock]

easy to compare

how much bonusdmg is a 480 SS for you

with 83

2028 with 81

[rigid mango]

2211 with 82

[marble hemlock]

well

could be

mastery

actually

[tropic ocean]

2715 on 80

[rigid mango]

ye

was gonn say

[tropic ocean]

2175*

[rigid mango]

it's mastery

[marble hemlock]

need to unequip mastery/versa gear

[tropic ocean]

so probably no scaling past 80

[rigid mango]

Don't have slots in my inventory for that

[quasi pewter]

what did you even change in that sim

becuase whatever you did i don think it worked as you intended

[tropic ocean]

i changed necklvl from 80

to 88

[marble hemlock]

i mean

[quasi pewter]

that doesnt work

[marble hemlock]

how much mastery do you have zine

[tropic ocean]

how so?

[quasi pewter]

you have to change the ids iirc

[rigid mango]

Ok so

with only cloak

[quasi pewter]

ur neck is still ilvl 493 in both sims

[rigid mango]

it's 1705

[cobalt pelican]

yea you can't just change the lvl lol

it's like

~300 dps per lvl

[marble hemlock]

480?

[cobalt pelican]

roughly

[marble hemlock]

cause mine is

[cobalt pelican]

when i last worked it out

[rigid mango]

ye

[marble hemlock]

sec

i have vision minor for versa

[tropic ocean]

1350

[marble hemlock]

😄

[tropic ocean]

@neck 80

[marble hemlock]

1785

🤔

[tropic ocean]

@rigid mango

[rigid mango]

that's 431 mastery

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/FfrhF/282145e86e.jpg

429

cause you know, 1 less neck

[rigid mango]

[marble hemlock]

you still have haste from somewhere

cause it says

1.7sec

[vagrant vale]

Hey guys. My core group is starting to push past 15 keys and are pressuring me to go combat even though our aoe group is pretty nutty. I play sin with iris major to help out my aoe but wondering if I should start running bote for fok spam. Any of you guys have experience in this?

[rigid mango]

oh shit need to go full nekkid

[marble hemlock]

yeah

[tropic ocean]

well cloak stats i guess

[rigid mango]

'

480

[marble hemlock]

so

same dmg

[rigid mango]

y

[marble hemlock]

no scaling past 80

cheers

essences scale

past 80 tho

[rigid mango]

ye

[quasi pewter]

ye i didnt think azerites scaled

[rigid mango]

iirc vop scales to 82

[quasi pewter]

wasnt sure tho

[rigid mango]

for some reason

I swear I've read that

[marble hemlock]

0.3% cd reduction per level on vision

[rigid mango]

@ 82

[marble hemlock]

yeah

24.3% on 81

[rigid mango]

@scarlet sequoia

[tropic ocean]

uhm

[rigid mango]

what is vop for you raz

is it more @ 83 or same

[tropic ocean]

thats weird

[rigid mango]

hm?

[tropic ocean]

@neck 80

:^)

[rigid mango]

wdym yaboku

[tropic ocean]

but i guess

blizz

[rigid mango]

no we don't care about that

Just comparing for memes

This isn't about actually increasing anything

just checking scaling

also if there's a situation you don't run Bote in

then it might be diff

[scarlet sequoia]

24.9

[marble hemlock]

imagine playing fucking outlaw

[rigid mango]

o

[marble hemlock]

and not having any of this minmaxing with traits and azerite and essences

[rigid mango]

so Vop actualyl sacles

past 82

[marble hemlock]

god i love playing assa

[rigid mango]

can u try formless void now or

I wanna see it sounds fun

[lethal heart]

as outlaw you dont have time to think about these things

[marble hemlock]

i mean

id need proper grp

[rigid mango]

When does vop stop scaling then

just grab a mage and sebek

jeez

[lethal heart]

till it is 100%

[rigid mango]

yoink

[lethal heart]

[marble hemlock]

yeah youre busy using bte on mobs in sanguine @lethal heart

no time to think

i really need to write some typical outlaw moments down

for chadsassin vs virgin outlaw meme

[lethal heart]

if anything

[lethal heart]

im the assa overlord here

the OG

season 1 gang

[marble hemlock]

i could game shoulders 4 times ye

but cba

[marble hemlock]

although i think i might

[lethal heart]

i'm most og

[rigid mango]

I've gotten 2 turbans

I need fucking raden helm

[marble hemlock]

gonna be

[rigid mango]

Fuck goraks

[marble hemlock]

glory in battle masterrace

[rigid mango]

Seli can u just kill nzoth

fast

please

[marble hemlock]

we cant even kill

2nd psychus

[rigid mango]

idgaf just hit nzoth

jeez

[lethal heart]

just do this

[rigid mango]

I want raden helm

[lethal heart]

my guild dropped

8 raden helmets i 2 resets

i think

[rigid mango]

hello

halcyon take me

[lethal heart]

i looted 2 of them

back to back

[rigid mango]

can u mail me one

[lethal heart]

had to trade one to dh tho

😡

coz i want one

for offspec or sth

so dont need to respec

[rigid mango]

I want one for mainspec

[marble hemlock]

yeah

id rather not have raden helmet

than be on alakir

[rigid mango]

I want raden helm and carapace dagger then I'm happy

I'd take raden helm for dog serv

tbh

[patent topaz]

Al'Akir used to be a good realm

[marble hemlock]

really

and then you cant buy potions on AH

[rigid mango]

Dude I'm desperate

[marble hemlock]

cause there literally is zero on it

[rigid mango]

Runnign around with my fucking

[lethal heart]

dude i swear

[rigid mango]

450 irontide

[marble hemlock]

i remember doing m+ with seb

[lethal heart]

if we dont transfer

[rigid mango]

[lethal heart]

after this tier

once cross realm opens

[marble hemlock]

"i cant keep playing, im out of pots and theres none on AH"

[lethal heart]

i trasnfer turkish nether

or some shit

and i cross realm raid

with my guild

its legit

unplayable

LMAO

herbs are like

100g/each

ff

[patent topaz]

I transferred from al akir 5 years ago

[rigid mango]

Twisting kebab

[lethal heart]

i transferred to alakir

[rigid mango]

[lethal heart]

like 6 months ago

[rigid mango]

Yeah because u wanted to raid high level

dingus

[marble hemlock]

you could go czech'thul

[lethal heart]

czech'thul

wtf

[rigid mango]

[lethal heart]

i dont speak czech

[patent topaz]

it used to be good but all of the alliance disappeared and the horde as well

[marble hemlock]

whats the polish realm even

[rigid mango]

Dude weren't u on like

kazzak

sebek

[lethal heart]

burning legion

[rigid mango]

burning legion

[lethal heart]

ye i waws

[marble hemlock]

oh yeah

burning legion

[faint harness]

go to shattered hand, trust

[lethal heart]

i was in legion/uldir

[rigid mango]

anyways

sin

[patent topaz]

there are a lot of polish guilds on Defias Brotherhood

[rigid mango]

btw

[lethal heart]

but then ragnaros gang

[marble hemlock]

ragnaros is danish gang

[lethal heart]

ragnaros is mikkel gang and preach gang

[rigid mango]

TN is swe and kebabs

[marble hemlock]

ye

[faint harness]

just like irl

then

[lethal heart]

so thats easy 👉 🚪

[rigid mango]

TRUE

[marble hemlock]

TM is method+arabs

stormscale too

[rigid mango]

Kazzak is just

[lethal heart]

@gusty kestrel

this guy is TM

[marble hemlock]

@wobin

[rigid mango]

[patent topaz]

im going to look for a guild during the weekend

will 100% need to transfer somewhere

[marble hemlock]

kazzak is giga realm though

for BoEs

its legit insane how they have like 3times as many BoEs on AH

[rigid mango]

ok guys off topic now hehe mod btw 🙂

[marble hemlock]

than any other big realm

🙂

[rigid mango]

[marble hemlock]

going full don on us

but yeah anyway

im definitely gonna try exsang at some point

i do think that theres a spot for gcb exsang in m+ again

[rigid mango]

Dunno if good or not because I'm a RH zoomer but yes 👍

[marble hemlock]

with generals and stuff

[rigid mango]

I don't like

GCB

At all

[marble hemlock]

with exsang its like

doesnt matter

[rigid mango]

I know

[marble hemlock]

you just need to snapshot

[lethal heart]

im running

meme sim

[rigid mango]

But doesn't mean I like it more

[lethal heart]

lets see

[marble hemlock]

and with the vop gameplay

its nice

cause you just pop everything on pull

[lethal heart]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dyzCYjG94kwkqtCuFTWmSx

[marble hemlock]

exsang 45sec in

[lethal heart]

[patent topaz]

exsang +gcb on ghuun, those were the times

[marble hemlock]

hold vanish etc.

[lethal heart]

thats not even that bad

[marble hemlock]

and pop everything with 2nd gcb at 1:30

i mean

what do you sim in

dd gear

[lethal heart]

81?

[marble hemlock]

also

[lethal heart]

and exsang apl is troll

[marble hemlock]

shame on you for not having

http://puu.sh/FfrB0/0e3b94c332.jpg

[lethal heart]

i dont even have

baseline

coz fucking

swedish guy

[marble hemlock]

did you know you can equip 2 logic loops for giga crit?

[lethal heart]

couldnt trade

[marble hemlock]

theyre not unique if its different triggers

[lethal heart]

@lyllot

[rigid mango]

Can't even use

bec I have severe ring

Or could stick a socket on this?

[marble hemlock]

yes

i mean

first socket goes into my 455 coral obv

[rigid mango]

can't

[marble hemlock]

imagine playing the same trinket

[rigid mango]

socket them

[lethal heart]

cant

[marble hemlock]

oh

wow

only nya gear?

[lethal heart]

yes

[rigid mango]

u

[lethal heart]

it says

[rigid mango]

y*

[lethal heart]

sth like

cant socket old season gear

[marble hemlock]

im quitting

[marble hemlock]

oh wait

[rigid mango]

[marble hemlock]

i just realized

[rigid mango]

Missleading title

[marble hemlock]

gcb memes wont work

cause coral

:<

[rigid mango]

Yep

I was sitting there thinking

if u had thought of coral or not

[marble hemlock]

just for the memes id love to play a

[rigid mango]

assuming you had and thought GCB would replace it

[marble hemlock]

void ritual gang once

everyone running like 4 or 5 rituals

[rigid mango]

I can join you I have enough peices I think

🙂

[marble hemlock]

i have 0

or maybe ill just become a tentacle tamer

[rigid mango]

think I might've purged a lot of them

I have 3 TA pieces in 1 slot

🙂

[patent topaz]

how many do you need to be a tamer?

[peak jungle]

Do you guys use Focused Resolve or Unbridled Fury for single target? I'm using FR

[rigid mango]

W/e sims best man

FR for me

[marble hemlock]

id say

[rigid mango]

Gonna be nice to socket these

[marble hemlock]

t5+ flay and youre a tamer

[rigid mango]

Dj played t11 flay

[marble hemlock]

once your flay killed someone solo in arena

youre a proper tamer

[patent topaz]

think I have t4

[rigid mango]

Yeah just see 3 tenties

Kidney bomb dead

[patent topaz]

my flay has solo killed someone

so guess I can be a tamer

[marble hemlock]

you dont need 3 tenters

when one of them ticks for 40k noncrit

its like

[rigid mango]

Man why do these BoE's have to be fucking

crit haste seli

[marble hemlock]

charming 5snakes at once vs charming that 40y anaconda

[rigid mango]

it's painful to wear in m+

[marble hemlock]

yeah

tell me about it

or my pants with haste/mastery/gushing

im running 15% haste in m+ rn ><

[lethal heart]

i guess

[rigid mango]

Same 🙂

[lethal heart]

thats a socket

or spyglass

not sure yet

[rigid mango]

Ooft

That's a socket from me dawg

[marble hemlock]

just imagine being @sage lintel

and getting gushing wrathion dagger

[lethal heart]

thats ok aswell i guess

[rigid mango]

mac did the same dude

he got a socketed 475 dagger with GW from m+ box

[marble hemlock]

but hey, its only 1/52 chance to get gushing

[lethal heart]

ye

and yet

i get void ritual

3 times

[shut garnet]

is it actually 1/52

[lethal heart]

🙂

[marble hemlock]

well not exactly

[rigid mango]

I've 0 motivation to sit and spam m+ for it either

[marble hemlock]

1/50

cause 18 corruptions, 3 tiers each

[lethal heart]

i'm ff'd out of m+

[marble hemlock]

gushing is the only one with 1 tier

[shut garnet]

tbh gushing wont be that good in late patch right?

[lethal heart]

i dfid so many yunkyards

[marble hemlock]

thats why it seems so rare

[shut garnet]

with 150 corr resistance

[marble hemlock]

why

[lethal heart]

was flaming realms

[marble hemlock]

if you have like

6 gushings

its still gonna be huge

[lethal heart]

[peak jungle]

For what reason, and when exactly, did haste take the general priority over other secondary stats? I feel like just last month it was simming like garbage for me, now it's tops

[shut garnet]

so if you 1/50 6 times?

[marble hemlock]

yeah

cause youre on it

and ricky

[lethal heart]

coz everyone was bullying mine

[rigid mango]

TM

[lost wharf]

So it's 6/50 for 6 items, right?

[marble hemlock]

cause alakir is trash

[lost wharf]

Ez then

[rigid mango]

Not TN

[hollow stone]

You spelled tissue wrong

[shut garnet]

lmfao

[lost wharf]

#math god

[shut garnet]

thats not how stats work

[marble hemlock]

i mean

what are the odds of getting gushing dagger on wrathion

its 1/50 for the corruption, if it drops, and if it has a corruption

so probably only like

[shut garnet]

%chance of hitting loot +%chance of it being dagger

[marble hemlock]

300kills if youd like a ~50% chance of getting one?

[shut garnet]

yeah like u said

[marble hemlock]

considering its 3 items that can drop

[lethal heart]

so

[marble hemlock]

and maybe every 3rd item has corruption?

[lethal heart]

once burning legion LEGACY servers start

[marble hemlock]

yeah

then im out

[lethal heart]

it will be as rare to have that dagger

[marble hemlock]

lol

[lethal heart]

as

ashes

or

from kael

[marble hemlock]

but yeah dunno

tentacle seems sick for m+ actually

the prio you get is huge

and it always procs on your target

it doesnt scale well with haste either

[shut garnet]

it doesnt get aoed down as well right?

[marble hemlock]

nope

and it can soak shit

like bleed on berserkers in KR

[shut garnet]

[marble hemlock]

although once youre like a t7 or t8 tamer

youd rather not want your tendie to die

[lethal heart]

[marble hemlock]

i can only be a t5 tamer right now

right now it is, yeah

but eventually it wont

after r15, cloak is 3corruption resistance a week

i mean

we wont know until it happens

but that was the plan

and the item IDs for that do exist

whether it actually goes live we dont know, but id assume it does

cause it would be a constant nerf to the content

[shut garnet]

constant nerf to the content without actually nerfing the content

corruption good system?

[rigid mango]

idk what do u think seli

Dump deadly mom + severe for another t2 TA?

[marble hemlock]

i dont know what either of those are

[rigid mango]

Crit proc + crit %

[marble hemlock]

deadly momentum is a shitty generic azerite trait

i know that one

[rigid mango]

Severe = increased crit %

[marble hemlock]

no idea why the radioactive one came first

when i tabbed

[rigid mango]

[marble hemlock]

idk

[rigid mango]

Looks lke smth from guild discord ngl

[marble hemlock]

i dont have crit stuff

[rigid mango]

idk they're on crit haste / vers mast pieces

Kinda feels bad ngl

[marble hemlock]

mmmh

i mean, tentacle has one major issue

and thats the inconsistency on st

[rigid mango]

nvm doesn't give me enough corruption open

[marble hemlock]

with spyglass and coral

i think crit% or critdmg is pretty huge

[rigid mango]

Makes my rings useless then 🙂

I'm using a 475 socketed torment rn

It's normally ~5% overall

[marble hemlock]

i dont like torment

pulls through walls/floors and breaks cc

[rigid mango]

idk I've not had any issues yet apart form once on 1st boss siege

[marble hemlock]

im just in general not a big fan of aoe that has wide aoe coverage

nautilus, torment, td

a lot of it is just pad

on mobs that would die anyway

doesnt matter if i kill small shit in 10 or 20seconds if the biggest mob takes 30

im not saving time, i just have higher overall

[rigid mango]

Exactly why would I care about stuff that isn't overall tho

[vernal flume]

Is IS pretty much sim bait? I'll have to really compare logs but it felt like mindflay was just better :X

[rigid mango]

Gotta stick it to these outlaws and dh's

It's p much simbait, yeh

Good on some fights, really inconsistant on the rest

[marble hemlock]

idk

i stick it to the outlaws by making them wonder why every key with me is faster than theirs despite them doing way more damage

[rigid mango]

Really don't like dice either, don't have a good spyglass yet.

[marble hemlock]

assa niche has and always will be targeted dmg on a select few targets

i dont wanna play a trinket that is counter to that niche by just having blanket aoe

and its why i think EB will be gone by the end of the season

cause everyone else just goes blanket aoe

so we actually time the key by going for st/selective dps

[rigid mango]

Seems like if you have a group that can do the aoe

You can just go as much pump onto prio

[marble hemlock]

everyone just plays TD

every group has it

[rigid mango]

3 SS will be mad

[marble hemlock]

3ss 3hod is play imo, ct for supplemental aoe

then stat corruptions or gw/flay for prio/st

and lets roll

do 20k less dps than everyone else, still be faster

[vernal flume]

It would be nice to not have to win the lottery to get 3 ss 3 eb pieces :X

[marble hemlock]

thats how we roll

[rigid mango]

I need ilgy and raden for that

so you need to chop chop seli

dude 3 ss hod will fucking assblast bosses though

You even get 2 OP's with it

[marble hemlock]

yep

[rigid mango]

0 RP again :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

[marble hemlock]

and we already do solid ST

dont need RP

just play Leeching

[rigid mango]

nty

Not good enough

[drifting cloud]

seli spot stealer

[rigid mango]

mr seli

[marble hemlock]

end of the season youll see everyone play assa

with leeching

[drifting cloud]

even tho I feel asleep and forgot to apply

[marble hemlock]

and no eb

oh

did i get spot? sweet

[drifting cloud]

yeah he just updated it

[rigid mango]

Atleast you get one vamp speed ig?

[marble hemlock]

yeah

and

movespeed

is always nice

[rigid mango]

hm waht about vita

If ur gonna play exsang

[marble hemlock]

was thinking about it, yeah

vita+coral

[rigid mango]

If you ever get vita + op proc

that's mad haste

[marble hemlock]

yeah but you cant play around it

it just happens

and with how cd-based your dmg is

[rigid mango]

yeah

[marble hemlock]

getting procs outside of it is barely worth

id rather play spyglass

cause the vita is gonna be close to useless on aoe

[rigid mango]

idk I'm really good on boss dmg right now

[marble hemlock]

yeah same

[rigid mango]

I can only imagine this shit being even better

[marble hemlock]

i played 450 azerite and still matched DH/mages unless they got 2nd combust

[rigid mango]

I really like 1 Np for whatever reason

It feels great, but actually think it's mediocre

but man does it feel nice

Crit probs

Crit mastery again

[zinc coyote]

Anyone got a gushing wound sim I can check out? I’d run one myself but I’m starting to think it doesn’t existent lol all I can get are crit/haste/mastery for sin

[rigid mango]

Why do you want a sim with it?

[scenic nacelle]

use gear compare @zinc coyote

on raidbots

[zinc coyote]

Thanks! someone sent me all the corruptions.

[obtuse socket]

For Pure ST would Blood of the Enemy be better than Lucid Dreams Major and, where would you put Blood of the Enemy in the rotation, before you vanish? (all rank 3)

[strange python]

sim it, but yeah bote is better for most

you use it after toxic blade with 5CP and then vanish, yes

[tropic ocean]

[glad light]

@marble hemlock does playing with a fire mage change your opinion on the value of sin rogue in keys as it brings similar thing in terms of prio damage.

[subtle tundra]

is there a different apl for simming VOP major?

[marble hemlock]

it does cache

i think firemage+assarogue is an amazing combo 😛

complements each other very well

firemage with the bigass burst

assa with the sustained

both good prio

[upper elm]

is loaded dice any good for dungeon situations?

[marble hemlock]

#outlaw

unless youre talking about teh trinket

[upper elm]

trinket ofc

[marble hemlock]

its pretty gud, ye

[upper elm]

what about torment in a jar seems to be really high on bloodymallet

[vapid terrace]

would it be better to use 450ilvl azerites with the right traits for aoe with 3x ss/eb, or keep using 470ish with like 1-2x of ss/eb? trying to decide using residuums for hivemind progression

[marble hemlock]

not a fan of torment at all

[strange python]

i hope shadowlands will be atleast twice as more rng than this, and the +10 affix in m+ suddenly either turns your screen off or flips it, and on som bosses lime wire and kazaa just force installs

[honest vessel]

i hope the 10 affix is a random chance to turn into a bfa dungeon at +5 the key level

[strange python]

or just fucking develop perma timewalking m+

[honest vessel]

nahhh

[hollow stone]

Nah. The seasonal affix will just be to do all dungeons in water

Have fun

[pliant apex]

Can assasination work on hive mind, Vexiona and carapace

If I don’t have EB trait

[rigid mango]

Only want EB for HM but yeah

[jaunty crystal]

vex/carapace are really just single target fights for what it's worth

[idle ember]

I don't have a very good EB set and my Outlaw is missing some key pieces. I just sat myself on Hivemind. My team has 3 BM hunters, 4 warriors and 3 DH. No room for me aside from maybe a mid range dps slapping wounding poison around.

[spare flame]

Is there any possible scenario where I replace coral this tier? Thinking it makes for a good candidate for my first socket buy as I have a base 445

[jaunty crystal]

to be honest probably not

I haven't found anything to even replace my 430 coral yet and the 445 is about 500 dps better

[zinc coyote]

i watched a feral snag a 455 socketed coral this week

[jaunty crystal]

rip

[zinc coyote]

big rip lol

[hollow stone]

You cannot socket ep gear

[vagrant tapir]

having 450 font 445 coral is a fucking curse

trinkets this patch are trash

[zinc coyote]

a curse that makes your epeen bigger

maybe

[jaunty crystal]

luckily I didn't have a mythic font and there's a 0% chance of finding a pug that can full clear EP.

[vagrant tapir]

It just sucks using last tiers gear

that never feels good

[hollow stone]

Personally, i love coral so im pretty ok with it

[vagrant tapir]

Just knowing theres no where to go

[jaunty crystal]

yea I don't think anyone would disagree with that. At least coral is kind of fun to use.

[vagrant tapir]

^

Yeah

Font however, is not

Im fine with being stuck with coral sort of

But I dont like being stuck with this 450 font

[jaunty crystal]

yea charging your font in the middle of a fight is real anti-fun

[vagrant tapir]

Its just such a punishing trinket on some fights

[rigid mango]

Lucky you font can be replaced with vita or lucky weekly chests

[vagrant tapir]

^

Yeah

[jaunty crystal]

yea I already replaced my 430

[hollow stone]

I know mages that would literally kill a man for a 450 font

[vagrant tapir]

Got a 470 ball runner

=/

[jaunty crystal]

like week one

[vagrant tapir]

trolled hard by the box

gimme my multi options,

atleast its good for outlaw.

[rigid mango]

dw our mage got a 455 font and then 455 socketed from bonus roll last week of EP reclear 🙂

[vagrant tapir]

geez

[jaunty crystal]

lmao

[hollow stone]

Im sending that to my mage friend right now

[jaunty crystal]

locked into that shit even for shadowlands 😛

[vagrant tapir]

atleast shredder is nuts though

[royal lantern]

inc: font is bis for the first 2 tiers in shadowlands

[vagrant tapir]

gag me

[pseudo hamlet]

Cleanse and use it as off-hand? 🤔 (the one with twilight devastation) Didn't get any N'Zoth Carapace daggers(yet). Not sure how good it's for M+(there's no good M+ sims(?) for rogues).

[distant lava]

what

no

[vagrant tapir]

cleanse t2 twilight dev 🤔

yeah thats the move

[distant lava]

brah

[vagrant tapir]

lolol

[distant lava]

don't kid he might do it

[vagrant tapir]

ya hate to see it

[pseudo hamlet]

I have already ring and boots with twilight devastation.

[vagrant tapir]

so?

[distant lava]

fuck you then

go cleanse it

[pseudo hamlet]

xD

[distant lava]

I'll trade you a void ritual for it

[vagrant tapir]

How many ranks of tdev do you have?

[pseudo hamlet]

@vagrant tapir so it would've been more optimal to get a dagger upgrade(for an off-hand) than nothing?

3x 12% with dagger/boots/ring

[hollow stone]

[vagrant tapir]

Hmmm, do you wear any twilight dev on st?

[idle ember]

offhand is almost a stat stick though, you dont know what upgrades you'll get in your TD slots in the future

[vagrant tapir]

^

Id hold it

tbh

[pseudo hamlet]

Nah, sims shows that 4s haste+10s mastery > td.

I was mostly doing raids, gonna do some M+ soon probably. That's the reason why I'm asking.

[hollow stone]

You want td for m+

As a general rule

[idle ember]

Just don't cleanse it.

[rigid mango]

GW TA warriors only

[hollow stone]

We cant really tell you because its so dependent on your other options

Personally, would never cleanse a td

[vagrant tapir]

TA boiiiis

I've got 7 ranks

😉

[pseudo hamlet]

@hollow stone yeah I understand, but was wondering how good TD is.

[vagrant tapir]

around 470

[hollow stone]

Its very good for m+

[pseudo hamlet]

Had seriously no idea how it performs in M+.

[vagrant tapir]

TD is fucked in m+

its fucked

thats how it is

[hollow stone]

Good fucked

[vagrant tapir]

^

[zinc coyote]

the best kind of fucked

[vagrant tapir]

like, unapparelled

[rigid mango]

It's inconsistant

I don't like it

[vagrant tapir]

^

[rigid mango]

And will never use it

[pseudo hamlet]

lol okay okay

[idle ember]

I've gotten 3 cara daggers, 1 socketed and have a cleansed one in my MH. My cleave is horrendous from my inability to coax the RNG lord into giving me more than 1 TD (R1)

[zinc coyote]

just make sure you face your character in the right direction

[vagrant tapir]

Yeah, its not nice to use in term of ppm/consistency

Can proc at the worst times