nah more like
#assassination
wind falcon
dunno man
drifting cloud
not really
wind falcon
mage has zero problems with thing from beyond
royal lantern
its more of a "if you can handle it" situation
drifting cloud
39 is just the cookie cutter asnwer
you can go up to 59 on pretty much every boss in mythic from the first 9
the slow is more of an issue than the actual thing
white wyvern
On prog <40 is smart. Once a boss is on farm it is time to corruption meme.
true pelican
does killing a skitra clone count for reaping major reset?
seems like it would be strong there but I guess the fight is too short
subtle tundra
tbh skitra is so easy maximizing dps should be the least of your worries
candid jasper
If I have 2 mind flay weapons, can they stack?
bleak spoke
idk if you tb before you bote @hollow stone
hollow stone
Idk either tbh, just guessing based on the sim sample
bleak spoke
i don't think it makes a difference really
but the reason i think to muti before you tb is pretty simple
muti costs more energy and you want to cast more envenoms?
like you have 8 globals or whatever you're probably gonna want to start on your best foot so to speak
rigid mango
tb > bote ye or wat
arctic tulip
Iris or bote for major in mythic plus?
Trying out assassination and want to do it in mythic plus.
arctic tulip
I got bote, pain but got it to r3
sullen garden
noob question: in Visions, when do you use Exang?
outer lodge
Poison Bomb or CT for Assass in M+ ?
I see alot using bomb, but CT is more than 2x dmg at the end for me
subtle tundra
you have to take in consideration the fact that you press ct instead of fan
distant cypress
Sims want me to purify Twisted Appendage II corruption on dagger to get infinity stars II and Racing Pulse III on ring. Should i go for it ? Says its like 800 more dps
distant cypress
god damn it
subtle tundra
and does well on 2/3 fights
distant cypress
so maybe instead of using Stars ill just go back to using Appendage plus racing pulse and just keep infinity stars in bag
rancid spade
Appendage scale with what stats?
subtle tundra
just ilvl i believe
lean marten
crit 🙂
coarse tusk
Vers
rancid spade
not haste? or mastery anyone can confirm this?
marble hemlock
more haste = more procs
but not to the degree that you wanna stack haste just for it
the only classes where its actually noticeable are like hunter, dh, boomy maybe
coarse tusk
It isnt
marble hemlock
well, the dmg doesnt
subtle tundra
the proc rate
marble hemlock
like, youre not getting more ticks from having haste
outer lodge
more procs though = more dmg from haste?
marble hemlock
but theres a reason DH have much higher procrates on everything, and that is becuase thanks to meta and furious gaze, they have a metric fuckton of haste.
coarse tusk
It's the one rppm corruption that doesn't get more procs from haste
marble hemlock
do you have any source on that tho?
because even just running a single dungeon with a DH with both people running the same tier of TA
youre gonna have 2/3rds of this TA damage
marble hemlock
mmmh interesting
subtle tundra
(fuck TD tho)
marble hemlock
how accurate is that information though
because it also says that TA has a haste scaling for the intervals between ticks
which is straightup not true
TA always ticks every second, no matter how much haste you have
tropic ocean
pretty sure ta is hasted as well
i've more than double uptime on dh compared to rogue
there seems to be a difference in procrate between weapon ta/proc ta as well
subtle hemlock
so I just got coral last night. since I dont have font, should I just build up stacks until vendetta comes off cd and then claim the crit stacks from coral?
marble hemlock
yes
subtle hemlock
and use it the first time right before vendetta?
marble hemlock
just immediately on pull
quasi pewter
you apply it as soon as you start fight
subtle hemlock
ok awesome. thanks!
coarse tusk
Ta seems to be very volatile when it comes to procs
I haven't noticed my dh on average doubling my procs
fading wigeon
In m+ are we applying coral on each pull to the mob that will die the fastest?
wind falcon
what's the general consensus on the different rogue specs across raiding/m+/pvp? which spec outperforms at each element?
jaunty crystal
in terms of popularity sin in raid and outlaw in M+. I think sin is king in pvp right now too?
wind falcon
my dumb guess from playing other specs, i'd say outlaw in M+, sin in raiding, sin in pvp?
jaunty crystal
but in terms of what's good, sin/outlaw are both somewhat equal in everything.
wind falcon
outlaw so rng
tropic ocean
outlaw 0 rng
tropic ocean
its flawed thinking
jaunty crystal
it is rng but it affects you less than you may think
tropic ocean
outlaw one of most consistent dmg in the game
wind falcon
roll the bones "SHIT TERRIBLE ONE BUFF" roll the bones "CRAP ANOTHER ONE BUFF, WHAT DO?!"
jaunty crystal
yea like getting a 5 buff is obviously real rng.
jaunty crystal
but getting a few bad buffs won't fuck you completely
rigid mango
so losing a dispatch doesn't matter
tropic ocean
theres few high parses due to 5 buff rng
besides that dmg super consistent
if u play consistent
wind falcon
i haven't played outlaw since legion
but there was a "you want to keep rolling until you have at least 2 of these buffs" kinda thing in place
tropic ocean
its still the same
but it doesnt affect ur dps a lot
egalizes itself over the course of the fight
jaunty crystal
it's far more popular among the top players but there's a few sin M+ guys that pump just as much.
tropic ocean
depends on ur group and how much better u can play outlaw than sin
and on your gear
jaunty crystal
outlaw has some more utility with gauge
subtle tundra
much better
jaunty crystal
gouge*
wind falcon
and shot between the eyes
subtle tundra
but you'd rather have a outlaw with slightly less dps than a sin
tropic ocean
if u just pug and depending on ur azerite outlaw the better choice for sure
tropic surge
hey guys, conflict and strife rank 2 or purification rank 3 for m+ ?
wind falcon
outlaw is much easier to ae with
tropic ocean
its not
wind falcon
as sin, spam fan of knives, tab target rupture/garotte gives carpal tunnel
subtle tundra
sin is literally spam fok and fall asleep
tropic surge
ok thx
wind falcon
you dont bother bleeding these days?
subtle tundra
you do but its a small part of the aoe
wind falcon
how many targets do you want rupture on before resorting to just spamming knives?
(lmk if there's a guide for this sorta stuff. haven't touched my rogue in ages until 2 days ago)
tropic ocean
4-5 depending on ur haste
subtle tundra
btw sin is really azerite trait dependant, so if you dont have good ones your damage will be pretty bad
jaunty crystal
3x SS is the must have for sure
wind falcon
it only affects the garrote from stealth though right?
subtle tundra
yea, but it still is a fuckload of dmg
wind falcon
does MA still snapshot bleeds?
subtle tundra
huh?
jaunty crystal
you don't really do normal garrotes in M+ anyway (except on bosses ofc).
jaunty crystal
you do the three to open on a pack then literally stop garroting.
shut pasture
No?
tropic ocean
yes
jaunty crystal
the literal best sin M+ player plays it that way. Ask him lol.
shut pasture
Hmm
tropic ocean
every sin player does
subtle tundra
^
tropic ocean
u never regarrote in aoe sitaution unless stealth
subtle tundra
guides can be shit too
tropic ocean
and u never use bleeds on cd
jaunty crystal
yea ravenholdt always seems out of date to me
wind falcon
people don't play NS these days? lol
shut pasture
I also remember when 2/2/2 was a thing
tropic ocean
where on ravenholdt it tells u to use garrote on cd
shut pasture
That's outdated this days
tropic ocean
its not
rigid mango
2/2/2 is still a thing
tropic ocean
🤷
rigid mango
Very much so
shut pasture
Isnt 3/3 much better now
tropic ocean
2/2/2is just a generic setup
rigid mango
tropic ocean
that u can use for everything
jaunty crystal
yea that's the old logic. I remember even seli saying to do that in like the udlir days.
tropic ocean
it doesnt
tropic ocean
it also heavily depends on what u pull
wind falcon
what's 2/2/2 or 3/3, which talents?
rigid mango
TTK has a magic effect of speeding up the key without showing on overall
rigid mango
ttk ss eb = 2/2/2
ss eb = 3/3
Yeah obv you don't play eb in those keys like it's not needed
subtle tundra
hod is strong in m+ too
wind falcon
is EB bis in keys?
rigid mango
SS probably is
wind falcon
damn, that good eh?
tropic ocean
then u just palyed it poorly
rigid mango
Guess we don't play the same way 
tropic ocean
its giga for piro
wind falcon
do you vanish off cd on long fights like raid fights, just for ss application?
tropic ocean
u dont play ss in raid
rigid mango
TTK doesn't give insane prio or anything
just kinda helps it
Just there to smoothen out packs not pump huge prio or anything
jaunty crystal
SS mega dead in raid 
rigid mango
SS stacking on hivemind 
jaunty crystal
unless you want to pad on hive
rigid mango
wdym pad
subtle tundra
sin is so easy tbh
wind falcon
oh lol. what's the necessary traits for raid then?
jaunty crystal
don't take my usage of pad too seriously. I'm aware adds are a prio in that fight 😛
subtle tundra
wish it was more complicated 😦
distant cypress
wish subtelty was good
shut pasture
I'm dumb so whatever is easier is good
arctic tulip
Why does SS sin higher for me then? Am I doing something wrong?
distant cypress
zulul
arctic tulip
Sim
rigid mango
You just have bad gear in that case.
jaunty crystal
you probably lack double dose
arctic tulip
I only have one double dose
rigid mango
Less about DD count, more about your azerite being bad in general.
wind falcon
i simmed my shitty gear on 5min patchwerk and it said 3x ss
arctic tulip
Ah
wind falcon
perhaps because my other options were garbo
distant cypress
share sim
arctic tulip
Same bad rng with that
rigid mango
Odds are it was, yeah.
wind falcon
why does herodamage have rather generic traits performing so much higher than class traits for rogues?
rigid mango
Stats = good
distant cypress
especially lategame, stats = king
wind falcon
its not like that for the other classes i play
distant cypress
damn i remember whan Champion of azeroth trait was like at the very bottom during uldir
now look at that top 4 position
wind falcon
stat stuff is boring
strange python
doesn't that sim profile have like 6x gushing wounds which scale off of secondary stats?
rigid mango
It does.
wind falcon
procs or things that fundamentally change the way you play are more interesting
rigid mango
Doesn't mean it's still kinda true.
strange python
yeah of course
distant cypress
6 gushing wounds .... yea i still have to get one.
tropic ocean
raz probably
distant cypress
im still looking for someone with more than 2
rigid mango
strange python
seli has at least 3 iirc
wind falcon
ive yet to get 1 across 3 toons
rigid mango
He does.
strange python
on 3 BoEs 
rigid mango
nah 1 isn't a boe iirc.
distant cypress
why that corruption is so rare? has lower droprate than others?
distant cypress
eh and probably doesnt help that one corruption usually have 3 tiers
so gushing wound with one tier gets lost in the crowd
thorn falcon
i'm happy and sad about gw, because i have 2 gw that are 445 and i get those slots from my mythic + chest but they sim less 🙂
scarlet sequoia
eh gushing is like weird
distant cypress
wonder why they designed it this way, making that one very specific corruption better than others, make it have only one tier, lower droprate and turn it into a holy grail in ravenholdt. Does any other class have such corruption that is "that good" and "that rare" like GW for sin rogues?
scarlet sequoia
475 gw boe simmed 200 less than 460 expedient t3 boe for me
rigid mango
Ye but ur special
shut pasture
@distant cypress haste% for arms is bonkers
strange python
mastery% for firemages aswell I believe
strange python
It seems super good in m+, pretty average on single target
but maybe if you have multiples and stack crit it's great ST aswell
subtle tundra
summer valve
@distant cypress it doesn't have lower droprate, it just seems lower because it has 1 tier
all corruptions have equal chance to drop but when most have 3 tiers and one has 1 it looks like the others drop 3x as often
distant cypress
i see
summer valve
there are 52 total corruptions if you count all the tiers separately so ~1.92% of gw dropping vs ~5.7% of most any other
distant cypress
thats still fucked up, if they made it get lost in the crowd of all of the tiers of other corruptions, why not balance things up and rise the droprate a bit ?
strange python
@meager bridge actually got curious since I checked the herodamage profile and it has like no crit gear, strikethrough sims almost as well as expedient for me
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hd4m3LwWej3yF5sgzGSje2 in pretty average raid gear with 2x mind flay dagger and only changing corruptions
distant cypress
question, whats the limit of corruption you guys set in your sims and feel comfortable running with in raids and pve overall?
lethal heart
39 is usually decent
distant cypress
Yea i lock mine on 39 but i see a lot of ppl running with more than 50
lethal heart
Too risky for actually hard mythic bosses
I think
But can play up to 50 i guess. More than that definitely unplayable
distant cypress
i already feel uncomfortable as fuck with just the slow and that damn annoying eye
strange python
@subtle tundra https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gaoMsukQysEAphxJ2j5Msc ?
distant cypress
subtle tundra
thank you, i will try stuff out tomorrow
i mean, it's mostly cause 300k iterrations
distant cypress
ah you dont have the subscription?
subtle tundra
nope
strange python
just ask here im sure someone will sim you
crimson palm
https://www.wowprogress.com/character/eu/ravencrest/Hemotherapy almost first member of the 100k club Q.Q
scarlet sequoia
cringe
quasi pewter
rigid mango
abstract moon
So Warcraft logs not updating when I clear bosses in Raids 😫😫😫 shows I only have 1/12 in normal Ny”Alotha
rigid mango
Did you log it?
abstract moon
Yeah see I don’t know how to personally log them
I thought it does it automatically?
strange python
someone has to log the fight
abstract moon
Ah great lol
strange python
else wcl doesn't know about it
cobalt gyro
i mean itll track the kill because of armory apl
strange python
cobalt gyro
but it wont have any idea about ur dps
abstract moon
My guild requires us have 70% avg each boss downed in Normal to progress to Heroics
strange python
start looking for a new guild
tropic ocean
??????????
abstract moon
Lol it’s ranked 7 on my server
And just so happens their raid times work with my time
So do you guys start log right before and end log right after down?
tropic ocean
u run the wcl app
enable advanced combat logging ingame and type /combatlog when u enter the raid
(or let exorsus raidtools do it automatically for u)
abstract moon
What’s the wcl app on twitch called?
strange python
abstract moon
Thnx
fleet whale
Is this just not that great of a tier for assassination? It's near the bottom in statistics on logs, and it isn't even top anymore for boss damage
abstract moon
Do you guys run logs for whole raid....or each individual boss? Im using Loggerhead app for simplicity
tribal granite
i just run it for the entire raid. sometimes the logs in the file gets too big so i delete it from time to time
rigid mango
Entire raid.
late plinth
any1 else dying to the small aqir swarmers in horrific visions? right before rexar? tried 4 times now i just get insta killed
rigid mango
They hurt but I don't die.
late plinth
they legit killed me 4 times in 4 different perfect runs.
rigid mango
Idk don't die dude
Get healthpots and stones
Dunno I drop low sometims and fine others, never died tho
flat wadi
Can you garrote 6 targets if you first garrote 3 from normal stealth then vanish and apply 3 more? or is this not done because its impratical?
drifting cloud
you can
strange python
I heard there's also a way to skip all the trash mobs in the rexar wing after killing the bear by speed potting and going left after the gate or something like that
haven't seen a video on it though
honest needle
can some 1 help me plz
honest needle
I kno i messed up my opener. I dont usually mess it up so bad, but how did this rogue do 7k dps more then me. I parsed a 88 he got a 99 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/B6xNg2Rc1KZw8yAD/B6xNg2Rc1KZw8yAD#fight=16,16&source=195,194
I wanna fix what i did wrong
flat wadi
he has 3k agi on you, i think his attacks jsut hit harder
if yo uare the left one that is
true pelican
well his agi comes from lifeblood
flat wadi
aah
honest needle
@true pelican i used worldvein major
he used clf
Im thinking i should have used clf
but again besides me fucking up the opener he beat me by 7k
i gotta stop dpsing during reflect phase and keep using defensives but im sure he is to
true pelican
font is the reason for the extra agi
honest needle
well ya i dont have that
so his extra dps 7k is comming from font and mech rings maybe ?
drifting cloud
no
honest needle
I kno i fucked up the opener but besides that am i doing rotation correctly ?
distant mist
And not stopping dps during reflect shield
flat wadi
Is it impossible to have azeite gear thats good for both raiding and m+? i dont know which specc i wanna invest in but i want to do both thoe contents without huge costs at azerite reforger
rigid mango
Yes, essentially.
drifting cloud
yup
flat wadi
aight time to farm some gear i guess
drifting cloud
I guess you can get 1 piece with reforging that will be good for both m+ and raid
but yeah youre still reforging
honest needle
so does any 1 kno where the 7k dps difference comes from ?
strange python
if you want to have an easy time gearing play outlaw tbh
flat wadi
yeah ill probably start out outlaw and slowly get together assa pieces
are tehre good pieces to buy for both m+ and raiding for residuum?
strange python
this tier is better than before since practically all bis raid azerite for assa comes from the raid, so you can use residuum to gamble for m+
drifting cloud
all the best m+ pieces are from vendor
or well I guess ss/hod from raid is pretty good for m+ aswell
strange python
@honest needle have you looked at stats
the guy has like 3k more agi in the fight
2 more gems
mecha combo
drifting cloud
that 7k doesnt mean shit in context, atleast tell us how much you both actually sim
strange python
76 speed
drifting cloud
then outside of rotational stuff theres just crit rng on a 5min fight
true pelican
there's cloak proc rng these days too
drifting cloud
the other guy got 10 cloak procs you got 6
distant mist
did your corruption do work
rigid mango
honest needle
i sim 72k
whats that mean ?
i just need to kno what im doing wrong so i can fix it
I dont like losing
i refuse to suck. I want to improve so i kno you guys can help me
@drifting cloud how do u get more cloak procs
so those cloak procs prolly made the difference
so if his cloaked proced 4 more times then mine thats 60 secs he had 3300 more agility then me
drifting cloud
4 cloack procs probably dont make 7k im just saying the guy could just be simming more baseline you know
honest needle
i mean im higher ilvl as well with better corruption
is my rotation wrong ?
besided the opener
drifting cloud
I dont do log analysis so I wouldnt be able to tell you
im just saying comparing two people from 1 fight is kinda pointless
maybe if you both had the exact same gear and pressed the exact same buttons
sullen sphinx
does heart of darkness go off of your total corruption or just your corruption after resistance
drifting cloud
after resist
sullen sphinx
thanks
rancid bobcat
sometimes u just lose
true pelican
mech rings are bis if you have equal corruptions in other slots
rancid bobcat
crisp sluice
Are font and razor coral still BiS for PURE ST in raid ?
fleet whale
well razor for sure as hell is, font it depends
rigid mango
Coral + font/vita
rancid bobcat
depends on your font ilvl
crisp sluice
I have a 440 socketed font. It's always the best for sure on st pulls where I can continually pump boss but example I dont use it on nzoth
So I should swap it for vita on those fights? Where I dont have continual access to boss example carapace
rancid bobcat
not really? cause vendetta is still a thing
true pelican
font gets better when there's downtime
rancid bobcat
doesnt really affect the playstyle to use font
true pelican
as long as you don't lose a use
crisp sluice
Yeah but generally I want to use font right when it gets off cd and line it up with vendetta and vanish / toxic blade / master assassin procced envenoms
On a fight like carapace it comes up awkwardly for example when he doesnt take any damage then I waste it. And I dont wanna hold it for 30 seconds with vendetta and vanish up
Waiting for him to phase etc
dark token
whats respectable dungeon dps nowadays
averaging about 60k, wonder if its enough for 17-18s
drifting cloud
logs say formless void
with some pp here and there or even vop
depending on overall strat I guess for the vop
rancid bobcat
yea looking at formless right now
just wondering if anyone has personal experience
cause i was looking at wcl too
coral seems kinda wack
but most popular on logs
drifting cloud
well even for janitor squad coral is still pretty decent
and well most people have it and might not have alternatives
abstract moon
Just did a Ny Normal Clear uploading combat logs now In WCL do I need to clear and delete my combat logs folder after upload?
wise grove
Does anybody know if running formless void minor can proc off someone running vision major?
wise grove
Interesting, I know that it states in the major text that passive effects don't work, but the minor text has nothing about it, and blizzard is always weird with wording.
drifting cloud
atleast I would assume thats a a big reason why the minor has really good uptime
but yeah im working with old info since I used it for like a day and then breath rep got nerfed to revered
wise grove
Gotcha, i'm testing out breath major with void minor, i've seen quite a few builds with it and will be running with a lock friend for some keys so i wanted to give this a whirl, thanks for the input
abstract moon
I need someone to help me out fix my issues if anyone feel to share their wisdom
arctic walrus
stop overcapping cp with mut
and get better gear
and line your cds up properly
depending on the pull they seem to be all over the place
rancid bobcat
does the breath of dying need to get killing blow for increased damage or just like have the mob die quickly after
tacit pebble
die quickly after
arctic walrus
you get like a 1-2s grace period
fleet whale
and it appears if the mob dies in that grace period, Breath will have no CD rather than a 5 second cd
arctic walrus
correct
if it's actually the killing blow you get 5s, if you use grace period, it's off cd, and on the rare occasion if you killing blow it goes back to 15
fleet whale
wouldn't recommend gaming for that though, unless if you really have a good feel for it
i call the grace period a hidden "feature" of the trait
dim yacht
is there anything aside from heart level and azerite piece item level that affects how much damage an azerite trait does?
dim yacht
does that affect the tooltips?
or just the damage it does
nvm answered my own question
stoic token
Anyone trust dungeon slice sims for accurate gear and talent choice in M+
gaunt echo
I suggest hectic add cleave to sim a multi target set up. and gear for single target or multi target depending on the dungeon + affixs pf the week
arctic walrus
I suggest neither of those, because neither are optimized for sin
stoic token
i don't want to play outlaw .. I like the Sin playstyle.. so was hopin for something viable in M+
gaunt echo
Sin is quite good in M+
stoic token
Just wanted right build.. Figured I would run at least one echo then as much SS as I can get
stoic token
ok then will u role iris over Blood major
stoic token
so u still go with Blood, lucid, Breath and either Conflict or VOP?
stoic token
OK cool.. and what about unbound force or purification protocol?
quasi pewter
not good if you have the ones you mentioned above
quasi pewter
ideal setup would propably still involve echoing blades in some form
but its always 3ss
stoic token
traits.. I assume always 3SS but what about HOD vs others like Twist and or NP and or SOB
quasi pewter
most dungeons i would always take 1 np
stoic token
so if adding the EB cost me a SS dont do it
quasi pewter
hod is better than ttk
dim yacht
ive found that 3 SS and 1 EB works well
quasi pewter
ss> eb yes
dim yacht
then whatever you can get for ST
stoic token
yeah.. Im trying to get that .. lots of gear none with that arrangement
quasi pewter
ideal setup is just unrealistic to make unless you have all the residuum eb pieces
stoic token
buy .. U mean with titan residium?
quasi pewter
3ss>eb/hod>ttk
dim yacht
the chest from carapace is nice
stoic token
cool.. great to hear.. I tried specing outlaw and not to be rude but I fucking hate it
dim yacht
same dude
stoic token
so not fun means dont give a shit if I do less dps
stoic token
when it comes to optimal traits vs ilvl where do u draw the line?
honest vessel
sims
honest vessel
i just got here!
quasi pewter
cant make a rule for that
honest vessel
i just try and make my own sim that i like more than dslice
then i pretend it matters
and follow it
stoic token
ok gotcha im too dumb for that.. but what I get is: Mandatory 3SS and once that is covered .. the ilvl difference would be to not take the higher if its a dog shit trait
quasi pewter
yes
if 15 ilvls lower i would propably always take better traits
but i mean
what do you have ?
stoic token
Ok now I feel stupid.. Been Runnin: 460 head SS SOB, 445 shoulder echo HOD and 460 chest NP and HOD
here is my options
one sec
drifting cloud
youre playing vita saryero?
drifting cloud
I guess youd play spyglass, maybe even dice instead of it or?
quasi pewter
if i had a spyglass i would
i do have 465 dice but i got it tuesday so didnt try it out
i have 2 bm hunters in my grp
they rly love the vita party buff
drifting cloud
oh ok
quasi pewter
we have like 60% uptime on the buff
tank has it aswell
also i had very low haste so i felt like vita would be decent
stoic token
So head I can Run 465: SS and SOB or 450: SS/HOD... Shoulders: 450 EB/HOD or 450 TTK or SOB/SS or 450 SS/SOB or BR and Chest: 465: NP/HOD or SS and or 450: SS/NP...
quasi pewter
head ss hod for sure
stoic token
Even with losing the ilvl
quasi pewter
ye sob isnt good
stoic token
ok good to know
quasi pewter
shoulders ttk ss
fierce pivot
Is there like a place I can see rankings on corruption?
stoic token
yeah
fierce pivot
cheers
stoic token
Darkheart RObe
quasi pewter
take that one then
stoic token
it matter what ring SS on?
stoic token
perfect u rule
quasi pewter
ring doesnt matter
and i would personally always play blood major lucid breath vop minor
stoic token
sounds great
quasi pewter
if you feel like you do more dps with the other pieces go for it
just my feelcraft opinion
stoic token
um .. traits to focus and or essences?
quasi pewter
but 3x ss should never be dropped
stoic token
Right now i try keep corruption under 40
quasi pewter
yea i wouldnt go over 40 for m+ as assa
stoic token
So im only running rank 3 twilight ring and 9% haste proc weapon
quasi pewter
twilight is good as it helps with the lack of eb traits
quasi pewter
what others do you have?
stoic token
I have the crafted 470 alchemist stone trinket with socket .. vers 236 and 2700 agility proc
remote guiidance 445 trink from mecha
mastery trink with agility proc 455 and some bullshit pvp trinks
quasi pewter
alch stone isnt that bad i think
stoic token
420 cyclotronic beam trink
languid sail
Are 450 SS/EB worth over 480 EB/Blood rite (other 2 pieces are SS/SS/HOD/EB)?
quasi pewter
you can run coral but i didnt feel like i benefitted enough from it
languid sail
For M+
stoic token
I honestly hate having that additional thing to click
quasi pewter
blood rite is really bad, i would run the ss/eb piece
stoic token
rather run non on use trinks
languid sail
Yikes. Okay thanks
stoic token
oh.. was gonna ask stat weights? crit and mastery?
quasi pewter
yea crit mastery are good, versa too
quasi pewter
haste isnt bad, its just that in aoe it becomes less valuable
stoic token
and last.. I got 470 gloves. with inefable truth.. 30 corruption.. is this a garbage piece for sin?
rather cleanse for the ilvl if so
stoic token
really appreciate ur input..
quasi pewter
ur welcome
stoic token
im a super dumb ass. didnt realize the titan residium system all different
I have 10k meaning I can buy a piece 🙂
stoic token
9 k
U think better to buy rando for the 4.7 k than save 20k for the right ones
I like that idea.. hate to wait
quasi pewter
well its random
but id gamble
there is i think 3 eb/ss shoulders
and there is also some ss/ttk ones which isnt bad
stoic token
hope for the gold tassled ep
quasi pewter
so the chance to get a decent one is not bad
and if its bad you can scrap it and try again
stoic token
got fucking worst one
quasi pewter
sanguine?
patent topaz
I gambled chest and shoulders. Both are decent for assa and outlaw. Worth a try
stoic token
tentacle lace
quasi pewter
ah well theyre only good for single target
stoic token
here goes number 2
quasi pewter
unluck if you only do m+
stoic token
ok im down like 600 residum.. what does this stuff scrap for?
drifting cloud
1k
stoic token
and 445 pieces?
drifting cloud
40 I think
stoic token
lol
drifting cloud
200 for 460
quasi pewter
40 200 1000
stoic token
Are u Kidding.. these assholes gave me exact same shit
im crying all over myself
This game really hates me
I really want to trow something out the window. waste 4700 residium
chrome eagle
Hey guys I normally play outlaw but my guild started raiding this week and I found that I did better dps as assa even though my weapons are 415 and 390 ilvl compared to 460s for outlaw... Anyway I only have 6% haste does this seem really shite for assa in raids?
chrome eagle
Should mention outlaw in m+ is pretty much all I do before now
quasi pewter
you should try a top gear sim to find ur best gear/sockets/enchants
strange python
Tbh with that gear difference u should learn how to play outlaw in ST fights rather than going assa with a crippled gear
rancid bobcat
does running over multiple drest buffs clear them all
or if you run over 2 does it leave the 2nd
quasi pewter
it leaves the 2nd
chrome eagle
Roger, thanks man, generally assa is much better in raids however?
quasi pewter
usually assa is preferred, but you can do fine as outlaw too
strange python
I was outlaw prenerf and swapped to assa postnerf cuz it sims higher
Id play whatever brings in more raiddps
quasi pewter
so if you feel more comfortable as outlaw and dont want to learn a new spec you can just stay outlaw too
strange python
But there is no way ur sin should do more dmg than ur outlaw if u have 415 weapons
chrome eagle
It might have just been that it was the first few attempts and we were wiping a little bit trying to learn, then when I swapped to assa we started doing better
All good thanks yall
odd frigate
what do you guys change in nyalotha when it comes to aoe? i'm lacking aoe damage on fights like hivemind, vexiona, carapace
strange python
I dont change anything other than the spec in mythic
I go for outlaw on those bosses but in heroic i just go for boss dmg as assa idc about hc logs
odd frigate
i just switched to hidden blades, but it wasnt that much of a difference
strange python
As i said if i run assa i play it for max boss dmg if u want aoe u should opt to outlaw imo
rancid bobcat
reaping flames isnt buffed by vendetta right
quasi pewter
no
royal lantern
vendetta/master assassin is for Rogue abilitys only
essence/trinkets are not boosted by it
zinc zealot
for hivemind i run 3xechoing blades 2x shrouded 1xttk cos those are my only aoe peices
storm perch
what is the best start at hivemind? double garrote on two bosses, while they are together, vanish for bees?
meager bridge
Ye, strikethrough seems pretty good @strange python
fast nacelle
tropic ocean
@storm perch u cant double garrote on both bosses, well technically u can but it would be very bad to do so
you'll garrote 1 garrote 2 garrote 1
storm perch
should i get 3 ss, 2 eb, 1 np on hivemind?
storm perch
how to garrote? trying to garote three targets after vanish? what is the best time for it?
storm perch
when bosses are separated, keep sitting on whom?
storm perch
appreciated for help
tropic ocean
np mate
tacit plaza
Morning!
Mmmm yesterday I get rank 3 infinity stars :P
And I went from 61k to 72!
But I want to improve more so I suppose that I must change some thinks
Things
I am working on r3 essences, I guess that I must change my trinkets but... Something more that u think that I must change?
storm perch
woot, dungeon slice sim?
storm perch
you linked dungeon silce
storm perch
with patchwerk you got 70k with this setup
tacit plaza
Ok, I am going to try this week
Ty
I am simming with r3 essences and Vita + coral
Almost 75k
storm perch
also bote lvl 3
tacit plaza
Then I think that I must go for better weapons and % haste corruption
This week it's perfect to farm bote
How is the fatest way? Spam alterac?
storm perch
whatever you feel comfortable with
breath lvl 3 also good
but you may go WV on some bosses
and get CLF
tacit plaza
CLF = the PvP one?
hot flume
So lazy to farm bote on alts.... Juste waiting and hoping that blizz will make them account wide at some point
storm perch
life force
tacit plaza
I will get VW r3 this week too
Ah ok
Fucking essences :(
@storm perch ty so much for the help ;)
storm perch
life force is not a must have essence
but very viable on some bosses
look for wlogs, used essences on bosses
sterile chasm
Why we sim so bad?
cobalt pelican
rogue in general is a low simming class
at least compared to the 'big' classes you see
but your own personal sim probably just has bad gear, essences, azerite, corruptions
storm perch
watch hunters sims)
sterile chasm
Sims are broken
modest tendon
Dh too 😛
modest tendon
I’ve been able to compete with most of the other classes in my guild on lucky pulls
Rng is crazy this patch
storm perch
complexity limit got rogue on nzot kill, so i don't think we are bad
faint harness
You see all these sim 90k but they do 15k less in a raid situation
So wouldnt worry too much about our sim numbers
sterile chasm
Ye but I am getting better and better gear but my sim is not growing thats sad
cobalt pelican
it's always been this way like
a lot of classes have simmed higher on avg than rogue for multiple tiers, some classes just perform better in a static environment with no mistakes
a lot of the benefit of rogue in the past besides damagep rofile is how flexible it was in encounters
storm perch
nope
sterile chasm
On 20+?
storm perch
haven't played on those high keys)))
sterile chasm
Ok
storm perch
crimson great only for 4+ targets
tropic ocean
ct already dps again on 2+
🙂
the real strength of ct is imo that it has no dr
15mobs
ocean ore
im running with 3 ss 1 HoD 1 EB 1 Goraktul crit int m+
in m+*
with Iris major, breath, lucid and conflict minor
doing a good dps for my ilvl
scarlet sequoia
iris major 
distant lava
gaymer setup
distant lava
no EB
spice epoch
why would you not want EB this season?
viral aurora
Im not completely satisfied with the overall dmg of EB tbh. Feel like HoD and Endless Hunger would be better overall.
But depends on dungeon aswell ofc. And affix.
old escarp
Is anyone using VoP minor on M Xanesh to help with vendetta timings? If no, are you sitting on vendetta or ignoring adds during CDs?
scarlet sequoia
u dont rly have to touch the adds as assa
can just put rupture on them and hit boss
warm parcel
Free dmg tho
distant lava
I think I delay a TB for the first add the first time it spawns
then the cooldowns are fine
ashen oriole
so how would i gear up for m+ keys as sin this week? full ST traits?
ocean ore
@ashen oriole 3 SS is mandatore
distant lava
never dd
ocean ore
dd no
ashen oriole
alright alright
ocean ore
im using 1 EB 1 HoD and 1 BI (gorak tul)
mighty elm
Can’t be friends anymore @distant lava , I’m at 9
mighty elm
Ask me if I’m gna progress with 119 corruption or not
distant lava
without phasing
mighty elm
ashen oriole
ok thanks for that! and essence wise? if there is, what is the meta for m+ this week?
ocean ore
my simc says to use iris major, lucid, breath and conflict
distant lava
blood major. lucid , vop and breath minor I'm pretty sure
ashen oriole
i do have that of course
ocean ore
with 3 EB my bote was doing big damage overall
spice epoch
VoP over CaS?
storm perch
my simc says to use iris major, lucid, breath and conflict
@ocean ore not sure how are you doing sim for m+ as sin
warm parcel
Thats not m+ tho
ocean ore
my tank cant handle large pulls with necro
im doing 15-16 bracket
so
dont give a 💩 about me hahaha
storm perch
5 targets 1 min duration is more outlaw sim
sin can't be properly simed in aoe
it's all about personal feelings and exp
scenic grotto
anyone that has any idea of why my weakaura doesnt track the bleeds properly? ex: weakaura says there is 5 secs left of rupture but on target there is 12 secs left
warm parcel
Just sayin. Random 5t 60s sim
ocean ore
got it, so in low keys i feel iris doing better damage
storm perch
try bote r3
scarlet sequoia
@scenic grotto its probably until u should refresh
faint harness
^
storm perch
it will be probably even better
ocean ore
3 dps with Twilight... adds cant survive enought to blood buff
old escarp
Are you only tracking your debuff? Is it grabbing another rogues rupture?
spice epoch
@faint harness 5,4 as far as i know
scenic grotto
Idk why it does it because I havn't changed anything in the WA. Normally it only tracked the remaining duration of the bleeds
warm parcel
Pandemic is quite simply 30% of the new dot
faint harness
so it should be 8
storm perch
btw, have someone tried bote out of vanish? something like tb-vanish-env-mut-env-mut-env-bote-keep standart
warm parcel
No its not 8 lol
faint harness
whats the duration of rupture
spice epoch
24
faint harness
3x8 is 24 no 
old escarp
It’s like 7.8s for something semantic
faint harness
if lazy and round up 30% to 33%
warm parcel
And so incorrect
spice epoch
@faint harness Sry, garrote was 5.4 Rupture should be 7.2
warm parcel
Also rup also isnt 24 always
faint harness
are you really going to argue about 0.8 seconds
warm parcel
Yeo
faint harness
Finns man, cant handle em
faint harness
Must be fun at partys
tacit wing
do the mechagon rings attack from behind in the sims?
bleak spoke
i would actually love to party with weak 
THE SAME WAY I LOV REFRESHING MY RUPTURES AT 7.2 SECONDS
rigid meteor
🤣
orchid sequoia
Can rogues avoid any damage on motherlode last boss?
like Cloak the snipe
or something
bleak spoke
Can feint the drop from the boss
orchid sequoia
Ye but cant avoid any dmg right?
bleak spoke
If you get heartseeker you can parry or evasion but only by looking at the boss
And not the adds
Can cloak micromissiles
If you have cloak you can play the micromissile Gatling gun overlaps very aggressively with sprint
molten mesa
Explain your name
bleak spoke
The dps differential between a playable (crit GM bs solo) and a good (double buff) roll in aoe is very minuscule if you play properly
This is assassination channel though
orchid sequoia
so i can evasion to avoid the snipe from the adds? If i understand u
bleak spoke
Yeah the red line
orchid sequoia
thx
bleak spoke
But you can’t look at the adds while you evasion you have to look at the boss
Even if it means turning your back to the adds
Very strange mechanic
Vanishing will make the damage hit you instantly btw
So don’t do that unless you want to force the damage to hit the same time the boss lands and sync cheat death as a defensive there
kindred skiff
I truly cant figure out what to use for m+, i guess more specifically this week. Anyone that would point me in the right direction? https://i.imgur.com/1u0W0qP.png
ocean ore
take off DD in chest, put NP
in shoulder use SS and ttk
simc it
and see if will be better
cobalt pelican
prolly just eb ss helm, ttk ss shoulder, ss hob chest
fathom frost
I need help
I have decent 460 azerite for both assa+outlaw, I have enough residuum for a mythic gamble, I play outlaw in m+ and assa in raids. Which item out of helm/shoulder/chest is the best gamble for me?
cobalt pelican
do you raid mythic
distant lava
Droptimizer ma dude
cobalt pelican
i'd probably just say shoulders if maut mythic helm is realistic/you play goggles, and helm if neither of above is tru
both vex chest and carapace chest work for both specs
kindred skiff
Nameless, what is hob
fathom frost
so chest is a no go then atleast. Maut helm is doable but not in the near future
fathom frost
Droptimizer works somewhat but I need to take azerite from raid into account aswell as 1 off traits so it all just feels like a labyrint
ocean ore
if dont have 25 corruption, by a decent boe if you can pay for it, or play nothing personal
kindred skiff
Hmm, any suggestions on what I should buy? I just came back to the game yesterday after a half year break.
The mind flay one? I could get the boots at 475, for 375k
kindred skiff
ocean ore
GWounds, mastery procs or even mastery % are a good corruption for assassin m+
Twilights devastation
but... should be expensive
kindred skiff
Eh ill wait i think. only rank 7 cloak as well
gusty mirage
Just do what I do, use all the stat corruptions because you don't get any of the damage ones
then roll an alt and watch them get like 6 pieces with twilight dev and cry
gusty mirage
ocean ore
all from WQuests
gusty mirage
extra points if the stat ones you get on your rogue make no sense, like my haste from all sources by 12% on a crit mastery ring
ocean ore
haste is so strong for ST bro
gusty mirage
I don't really raid on my rogue I meme around in heroic w/ my m+ gear
ez purple parse on hivemind though 
ocean ore
yeap, so not worth
but crit and mastery are good
i use actually
crit % t2 mastery % t3 and TD t3
gusty mirage
I have t2 mastery % and I got the danger noodle after 40 keys, so it could be worse
gusty mirage
are you even trying if your eye ball circle isn't half of the dungeon though?
ocean ore
isnt that large
gusty mirage
get 150 corruption, be red w/ corruption imo
ocean ore
58 is playable
my corruptions proc in my bis itens
so cant change it
or lose too much dps
delicate fern
does heart of darkness stack?
cobalt pelican
ya
delicate fern
im running x2 heart of darkness x2 double dose and x1 twitst the knife
would it be worth dropping heart of darkness for 1 more nothing personal?
faint harness
could try sim it and see
shy dust
Sim it
rose violet
I get the feeling that you should sim it