60% of the dungeon
#assassination
cobalt pelican
orchid sequoia
true
cobalt pelican
probably even more but i don't want to make outlandish claims
short pivot
Tanks will probably pull big this week so eb is always good
orchid sequoia
Yea that’s true
harsh tusk
zinc zealot
how much dmg buff did u guys get after the cape upgrade?
i went up almost 5k dps for some reason
arctic walrus
tribal marlin
I wonder if I should cleanse it or put it in bank
just in case blizzard decide (1 month after progression started) that this corruption deserver a better uptime than 0.000001%
strange python
fml
tribal marlin
for M+ it start to be good with like 10 targets and already a bunch of critical strike
pliant apex
is it okay to be assa on vexiona? or are logs going to suck?
cobalt pelican
logs are against the class you're playing so
you could play blood wizard and log well
generally assassination is the best spec for the fight though
patent topaz
full ST pump the boss and let others handle adds would be my guess, unless the raid leader wants you to do something else
strange python
which items should i gamble on if i have
maut mythic head
carapace shoulders mythic
darkheart robe 465
tribal marlin
https://i.imgur.com/v75AC1S.png
My casual friends who only do PvP dropped this on his alt rogue
Even in dreams I never seen this one
swift sparrow
i got the exact same corruption on crit/haste pvp boots just now
tribal marlin
I mean the corruption is good
but that damn ring
like having it 475 is still a damn luck, but with that specific corruption is gambling over 9000
tribal marlin
Well with that one in bag, I think it worth the farm for one simple Division 465
cobalt pelican
i need the stabby from the back ring now
just cause corruption budget
and i still don't even have a base one
ornate gazelle
Is Infinite Stars a bait over other corruption like it is for some other classes where it sims highest but doesn't really perform as well or consistently in raid?
Just trying to not be a slave to sims.
desert surge
its the best for pure ST its not bait or whatever it literally does damage to a target if that target is there alone and nothing else will spawn
tribal marlin
76k simdps with <40 corruption and forced vita-sharded/BotE equipped
not that bad right ?
desert surge
infinite stars tend to hit other targets
i mean it came to a point once i saw infinite hit the thing from beyond
cobalt pelican
pretty average i think
cobalt pelican
53 is totally playable if you're not a coward
tacit wing
https://i.imgur.com/3KyHnJd.png how often does this proc? anyone used it before
round harbor
like 90%+ uptime
ruby wind
Yeah it’s really good for uptime
pliant apex
can assa work on carapce? or i need aoe traits or outlaw?
crimson palm
Azerokk's Resonating Heart -> any good in M+ or straight to the scrapping machine?
pliant apex
what gear should i buy first with titan residium, ive 4800
one that gives me highest ilvl?
hello?
abstract moon
What Major do you guy use? BOTE or CLF? or BOTD?
cobalt pelican
assassination is fine on carapace, azerokks is like not great for anyone except maybe some meme sub build i think
buy whatever is your biggest upgrade using droptimizer
and i play clf currently but most people play blood i think
abstract moon
I seen Method is using CLF for longer boss fights and BOTE for anything around 3min fight or less
is CLF Rank 1 worth using over BOTE R3?
cobalt pelican
no
drifting cloud
patent topaz
I tried assa on HC carapace and it was awful
lost horizon
Clf rank 1/2 is bad, rank 3 is where it becomes usable
cobalt pelican
hc basically has no assigned damage anyone needs to do
lost horizon
Similarly to bote
cobalt pelican
so you can play whatever kinda
patent topaz
small raid so I had to constantly switch to the eye stalk, tumors
CD line ups were bad
uptime on boss was low
lost horizon
Any boss with a lot of swapping you'll find frustrating compared to outlaw
torpid sluice
Worldvein major? ;_;
lost horizon
But if you can just spam fan its not bad
patent topaz
I hsed respecced my shoulders and went outlaw
lost horizon
@torpid sluice yeah, CLF/BotE aren't that far behind for fights where WV isn't so hot
torpid sluice
True
crimson palm
bote is cool with focused resolve
abstract moon
Thnx for the help guys/girls. Glad I joined this discord its been helpful and quick responses ❤️ you guys are awesome!
crimson palm
but fkin sucks that u have to delay shit for it
abstract moon
so for instance......mut, rup, mut, garrote, vend, toxic, vanish, evenom.....where does BOTE come in to play to be most optimal?
crimson palm
after tb before vanish
abstract moon
sweet ❤️
dark crag
Or if you look at tc there is someone suggesting using bote and vanish separated
torpid sluice
Spread it out instead in 1 burst?
storm perch
what is tc?
spark oyster
maiden raptor
Is versa is actually good for use for multi target right?
i dunno how reliable the sims are for that corruption
cobalt pelican
it's kinda meh
some fights you can have decent uptime on it
some fights you don't really get anything
you'd have to sim on a fight by fight basis with some logs as reference for uptime
sullen pagoda
I got that too kms
raw rune
at this point in bfa, is it possible to get enough mast to make mp viable again?
warm egret
whats the best major ess rn for parse? ive been running boe r3
or can someone analyze this and tell me improvements
storm perch
i guess wv could be the best one on maut heroic
not really much movement on him
but on logs ppl also using guardian of azeroth/bote
warm egret
yea my guild is debating trying to run it . we are just getting into raiding scene, so there is still alot of kinks to work out. we are 5/12H which isnt very good but its not the worst for alot of first timers.
strange python
With that killtime I'd go CLF and hold vend/vanish for 3 mins since you won't get a 3rd anyway
Do people go with crit haste or crit mastery for vision 5 mask clears?
cobalt pelican
don't think anyone uses a specific gear setup outside of ss np azerite if they can
and maybe some meme trinkets
scarlet sequoia
if anything mastery is probably best
patent topaz
mecha trinket works well on tanks, might be decent as well, idk
strange python
aight, thanks
knotty pond
tribal marlin
My healer meme-ing : https://i.imgur.com/xonc2S9.png
strange python
Bote or Iris for visions? the east side in org has some annoying packs with a lot of small shits.
tribal marlin
Me simming : https://i.imgur.com/WjxUz8O.png
cobalt pelican
bote if you're planning on killing elites before they do anything
breath if not probably
don't use blood on small mobs in visions like ever tbh
tribal marlin
Tbh you can go chill for 5 mask
you don't need to do mass aoe
Just enter the vision, start killing stuff slowly, when you get a Gift proc rush the closest elite
repeat
like in the 1st lost zone (not Rexxar, the other one) you can just kill the first mob solo, if you don't get a gift, engage the packs after, start killing things as soon as you get a gift go
this is for the bar / proc tracker
this one is for the Gift cooldown and has been hard coded by a friend who just recorded multiple vision to get the exact CD.
If you manage potion / gift, you can't go wrong in 5 mask
strange python
Thanks @tribal marlin Appreciate it
patent topaz
saw a DH use PP major in 5 mask
tacit plaza
One stupid question... Is it worth it IF r3 as assa? I mean, does it procs with dots?
tropic ocean
what is if
scarlet sequoia
infinity stars
tacit plaza
Is it the best corruption for assa?
tacit plaza
For ST I mean
scarlet sequoia
its okay for a few bosses
patent topaz
its gigasim but a bit different in practice
scarlet sequoia
the best consistent corruption is expedient
patent topaz
procs like IS and tentacle flay are inconsistent
tacit plaza
Expedient it's the % haste?
dusky bronze
Best Traits for this week M+ 15-19Keys?
tacit plaza
I have 1 goushing wounds
But just one idk if it's worth it tbh
Maybe 3 or 4 of this would be awesome
flat musk
Do multiple Twisted Appendages increase the spawn chance or do they affect damage as well?
storm perch
Has anyone done a five-masked vision?
strange python
How those leeching poision perform nowadays?
cobalt pelican
just the damage, proc rate doesn't change
lots of people are doing 5mask visions now
and leeching is a good talent that's just never used because cheat death is an irreplacable crutch
wide lake
yeah, you're opening is bad
wide lake
your second vendetta is also weird
dark lily
you should TB before your vanish
drowsy plover
Is galecaller's boon good for raids ?
faint harness
since when do we bote before vendetta
warm egret
I was thinking vendetta then bote cus that’s a waste of time of bote
wide lake
check the pins, you have a lot of explanations
rigid mango
You do.
warm egret
My tb was at 85%
dark lily
8 out of 13 possible casts. You kept it on cooldown 63% of the time. (>80% is recommended)
faint harness
dont look at wowanalyzer
faint harness
pretty sure that thing hasnt been updated for a while
arctic socket
Bullying in coming
rigid mango
Don't give advice if the advice you're giving is copy pasting wowA, that's an outdated source for assa.
warm egret
I’m not giving advice. I was looking for advice
arctic socket
Not you
rigid mango
You just asked for help matr
faint harness
The help you received was inaccurate
warm egret
I def admit I messed opener for fight tho. I should have not used G my opener only popped for 3points so I used a G for the extra point I should have mutilated and just 5 capped it
I usually get the opener right
And I didn’t line up my bote with my 2nd ven vanish so that my fault also
wide lake
and you should do something about your uptime of your bleed too
tacit wing
what azerite traits you guys running this week?
wide lake
you should never have something like 70%
warm egret
Yea I had bad timing of burst phase with dots dropping I need to work on set ups before burst phase
narrow comet
managing reflect phase is a peanut also
wide lake
and i'm not sure that 2 quick navigation enchant are good
narrow comet
litterly depends on healers what i can do
warm egret
My guild has probs with healing during reflect
narrow comet
yeah i been there could not do a mut lol or i be dead
warm egret
I have a lot of saving myself and backing off on dmg especially when inf star stacks get High
My and the other rogue in my guild have killed ourselves so many times when we burst to hard during that phase
wide lake
keep your cloak for your burst phase during reflect
warm egret
I usually try to sometimes I have to use it tho for grand delusions cus I’ll get bad procs
wide lake
or run less corruption
quasi ledge
Especially if you're already dying to reflect :p
warm egret
I usually poison knife for the slow.
We are just waiting for healers to get better
But I’ll start to save it for reflect
faint harness
haste one is
warm egret
I had been using during annihilation phase but it’s prob not as worth it
echo crest
So haste proc when I?
quasi ledge
Attack from behind + haste
warm egret
And for wep enchants should I just swap to a force mult and a quick nav?
quasi ledge
Sim it, never use 2 of the same though
wide lake
yep sim
echo crest
Attack from behind the better one for progress?
narrow comet
force M will be MH 99% but offhand can be deadly also, i mean i sim deadly better than quick
quasi ledge
Better for everything
warm egret
I’ll swap over to force mult
quasi ledge
Best to just sim, force is miles behind the others for me
warm egret
It just sim +662
So I’ll swap today. I’m checking deadly on off hand over quick rn
I’m just trying to stay around top dps for my guild. We have a feral Druid and a dh for me to compete with
warm egret
I usually keep up just overall dmg as a priority for myself
subtle tundra
that's a bad metric for progression
warm egret
Yea that’s what i mean. I just said it the wrong way. I care more about boss dmg
faint harness
in my own experience, we should be just behind fire mage/bm hunter for ST dmg and arms warrior if its a good execute boss
top 5 at least
warm egret
Our feral is pretty good she parses usually around 95 plus
And I stay at 2nd most of the time
For us we use maut for our priority parse
tribal marlin
I have something big
faint harness
i havent played with a feral druid since Antorus
warm egret
She has played feral for 6 years and never touched another spec or class
tribal marlin
Using Vanish on cooldown with TB with VoP Minor seems to be a decent upgrade for me
faint harness
Mikihisa with his STUFF
tribal marlin
Most of all, if place VoP minor at least equal to C&S
strange python
where'd you get the 85k sim you did earlier @tribal marlin
faint harness
118 corruption
tribal marlin
haha that one was a sim bait with corruption and WV
strange python
oh
storm perch
cobalt pelican
i always knew
strange python
couldnt imagine pushing out another 5k somehow
tribal marlin
I have only 1 but it is 490
strange python
cobalt pelican
vop was secret hotness
faint harness
there was a sleeper build with lots of NP + vop
warm egret
Would u recommend when not fighting a ST boss using tendril over inf start since inf star hits anything
faint harness
@tribal marlin whats a "decent upgrade" in this case
how many % we talkinhg
i want numbers
warm egret
I use bote primary with lucid breath and iris should I swap iris for c&s
faint harness
ye didnt click the link
sry
and thats with 1 np
i iamgine this will go further up with more nps
tribal marlin
probably
scarlet sequoia
@warm egret sim urself
warm egret
Ight
tribal marlin
I don't maybe it's just my own profile but it seems decent that's it's better to use vanish on cooldown than to use it once every 3mn (like the APL do when using VoP)
especially on such a long fight like n'zoth
crimson palm
and you'll save us 1 tome per week on wrathion 🙂
tribal marlin
I removed the Font for this sims
tribal marlin
yes for sure but N'Zoth is such a fight where
I mean it's hard to make good use of font
faint harness
carapace too
i did not like using it on carapace
so i swapped into suboptimal trinket
tribal marlin
ye same for me
faint harness
cd usage on carapace could benefit a lot from vop (i think)
crimson palm
on hc nzoth it's not that bad
faint harness
nah
i honestly didnt like font for ra-den either
lots of bosses where i just said fuck you to font
tribal marlin
If you wanna try to sim with your own profile
this is the change I did
1st is default apl
crimson palm
you can channel it so you enter the burn phases on nzoth during p1/p2 if you hold off dmg on psychus with ~5s to death
faint harness
you should post it in TC-research so it doesnt get lost in the spam
crimson palm
but on M it's totally diff fight so dunno
tribal marlin
yes I will
tribal marlin
There are some vision of deathwing throwing you burning flame when you are down there with psychus
making font kinda hard to channel in there
crimson palm
i'd precloak it if it overlaps tbh
it's not like you can cloak anything else in there
tribal marlin
It's probably usable but tbh without the coral + font overlap, I'd rather take vita-shard to give some damage to my teamates
crimson palm
You do get an overlap tho
You coral psychus at the beginning
And when he dies you get the crit + overlap
6-7 stacks is doable depending on raid dps
faint harness
you cloak the soak on mythic
tribal marlin
But you aren't really supposed to hit psychus
tribal marlin
Like you will get some stacks but very little
soaking phase happens late in the phase you can use CoS early on, maybe 2 time before having to soak
But you definitly want to keep it as a defensive cooldown rather than anything else
crimson palm
i'm hitting the crap out of psychus on our kills, tentacles die way too fast for me to do shit due to DHs and range 😄
by the time i reach a tentacle it's 20%
faint harness
yea heroic is in large not something you play around
tribal marlin
it's kinda the same phase in M
The only difference is that Tentacle and Psychus have ofc more health
crimson palm
ye but the flow is different
tribal marlin
and most of all you absolutely need to kill Psychus before he reach 88 energy
faint harness
btw mik, do you think t1 ineffable truth can be worth to use with that build you posted
tribal marlin
because past this timer, there is a spawn of tentacle in the real world you can't deal with
so the faster you kill the tentacles, the faster psychus get stacks, the faster you kill it
faint harness
i hate the hitbox on the tentacles
tribal marlin
I don't know, I see multiple peeps using it in M logs
tribal marlin
We still have peeps funneling Psychus tho (Warriors) and peeps funneling tentacles (Hunters)
ye
crimson palm
and destro warlocks funneling everything 
crimson palm
the corruption resistance should've stacked
it would've made the minor a very good choice
tribal marlin
Well the thing is, if you sim it maybe it will show you a 0.5% decrease for yourself
tribal marlin
but, everytime an ally will use its azerite essence, you will give that guy a 101 haste buff for 20sec
faint harness
sometimes i think he trolls us with his trinket choices
tribal marlin
that's some raid dps which is probably more than only 0.5% of your dps, so ye I think it can be a thing
maybe he just troll indeed xD
tropic ocean
the haste proc minor is super good
faint harness
he was running drestagath trinket + coral on ra-den
tropic ocean
it has close to 100% uptime
individually not as good as breath but if everyone in raid use it
faint harness
do you know which minor is sleeper OP
crimson palm
drest'agath might be legit if you need a little bit of burst
crimson palm
but prolly troll 😄
crimson palm
it's the best trinket ever made for pvp
tropic ocean
after motorcycle
crimson palm
there's nothing as majestic as critting people for 250k with it
tropic ocean
it can't crit 250k in pvp
faint harness
sniping reaping flames
tropic ocean
XD
crimson palm
you can't do it anymore?
faint harness
nah
crimson palm
😦
tropic ocean
idk it does 60-80k noncrit
faint harness
killing the tendie doesnt give you reduced cd and dmg increase anymore
crimson palm
i was using it during opener only for the low cd
nop it was player
i deleted the guy in like 3 seconds
faint harness
do you have mythic version?
crimson palm
no clue
faint harness
maybe they are moving in that direction for some things
like i got a 150k vulpera racial off
with worldvein
and font opener
actually nutty
tropic ocean
only thing I could see is
battlefield focus stacks
popping with usage
other than that never
crimson palm
this is first week
the moment i got it
without crit
dmg during opener
with MA
faint harness
it has some wonky scaling, thats for sure
crimson palm
ye i know, MA for the envenoms
crimson palm
i used it for trolling in low cr
orchid sequoia
ive played rogue for 2 weeks now, i did the old raid and got the razor coral trinket, how do i use it exactly? on pull and when i want more crit?
orchid sequoia
ah ok ty
scarlet sequoia
yes
faint harness
so raz, ur at 90k now?
scarlet sequoia
with max pad and all that im a bit above 87k
faint harness
"without transfer"
tropic ocean
??????????
rigid mango
He's on RC atleast ig
tropic ocean
np man
crimson palm
crimson palm
could've been better if i didn't get a trinket this week >.<
230 corruption on that sim XD
quartz rune
475 galecaller is big pog
crimson palm
i call n'zoth daddy
faint harness
@tribal marlin did you try sim subterfuge instead of MA for this vop build?
crimson palm
is the NP dot buffed by mastery?
if it is, subt would probably be better with high mastery %
faint harness
i would assume it is
but can never be too certain
if its considered a part of rogue or part of an item
tribal marlin
No I didn't @faint harness
faint harness
might be good
potent raft
@scarlet sequoia what does max pad mean, IS ? 😄
full flame
Is heart of darkness based on pre-resist corruption or do I need over 25 after resistances?
white wyvern
After.
potent raft
damn it
you got 2 more ranks of expedient 😄
oh and i misread, thought it's IS2 + IS1, it's honed mind instead..
strange python
what do you guys sim without IS?
faint harness
80k
potent raft
same
strange python
why is subterfuge simming higher with triple double dose?
you cheatin cunts
whats carrying your sim dps more @glacial plaza , double expedient or IS
oh 7 allies
mighty elm
strange python
D:
scarlet sequoia
7 allies doesnt do anything
winter fulcrum
is that single target?
strange python
i know stars adds a few thousand dps
storm perch
why you got subterfuge on first sim and ma on a second?) what have changed to those?
scarlet sequoia
subterfuge sims higher in most cases
just cba using it unless its 500+ dps increase
strange python
hmm
potent raft
same
because of so much haste sub pulls ahead (even DS)
but cba for 100-150 dps
MA gameplay is much simpler
strange python
i dont think i can get anywhere near 86, granted you have slightly better corruption than me
potent raft
IS carries
potent raft
i sim the same without IS
strange python
;/
potent raft
actually less
~80k
but WV is bait too
from what we've observed even with many allies
your 4-stack uptime is shit
nowhere near what sims expect it to be
winter fulcrum
whats the best stat weights for ST?
strange python
really doesnt like double heart of darkness does it
storm perch
whats the best stat weights for ST?
@winter fulcrum there are no stat weights, it's only sim
winter fulcrum
but what do you guys think is the best for ST?
my single target damage has been slacking and ive been wondering if its because i have low haste
storm perch
sim yourself with top gear
storm perch
it's all about corruption
winter fulcrum
well, considering i got 3% leech corruption today i wont even try improve my dps
strange python
i refuse to give up my r5 tentacles for haste procs or crit procs
50% the time its a rank1
humble igloo
@mighty elm sorry
hollow stone
Where are the zombies??? 😦
winter fulcrum
when i pop into this discord i feel like im a bot xD i sim max 50k dps and these guys are at 90k
solid venture
a thousand pardons, but I was told there would be zombies here and I have been waiting in lfg for 2 hours now.
covert mesa
why are you simming so high ? its cause of is ?
idle ember
well that one triple OP, triple heart, 485 dagger and socket city
ashen osprey
Cause he is a beast
covert mesa
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/94AS2J3rvRvg2SyyV68hQC im so low in simming
echo parrot
hey guys i have a little question.. if i play assa with vision of perfection as minor my vendetta comes off cd with blood of the enemy (major)... so when i activate "bote" with vendetta my vanish still have cd... so should i play vanish with toxic blade only without vendetta?^^ sorry for bad englando
upper wedge
Finally got ashvane trinket.. never used it before so at what stacks is the optimal use?
jaunty crystal
Yea
upper wedge
Thanks
short arch
For m+, running 2x EB, 3xSS, 1xBlight
What trinkets would you run with? Got Spyglass 465, Dice 465, Torment 460 and Coral 445
rigid mango
coral spyglass
old escarp
Spyglass coral probably
old escarp
Coral is just that far ahead still and haste isn’t very strong in aoe
hollow stone
Why do you guys think spyglass over torment?
Would your choice change depending on base crit in m+ gear?
Actually curious; not saying i would go torment
Its always tough for me to compare stat trinkets vs dmg trinkets where you can clearly see the dmg torment does vs the dmg the crit does
Naw mee
old escarp
I think my perception of torment is skewed low by seeing a low damage % for a dungeon. But it is artificially being skewed low with corruptions being a high % or dungeon dmg. It may well be stronger than I perceive it which is probably why I think spyglass is better?
cobalt pelican
it's like 4-5% dmg consistently, it's prolly significantly better than spyglass if you're playing like 1eb or something
crimson palm
my experience with it has been ~3%
old escarp
I think for high EB/FoK spam (like last weeks affixes) spyglass May be better. Otherwise torment?
cerulean bronze
@crimson palm what, torment?
crimson palm
ye
cerulean bronze
yes the application and the stack prock
old escarp
As outlaw (heresy here sorry) it’s typically 3% (1.5/1.5 split) for most dungeons. Occasionally seeing 5%. That’s with only a 460 torment though
hollow stone
I play it w my ol set (460) and it usually does around 4-5% over a key (i just do 15/16s on rogue)
Personally, i like it
old escarp
Do you have strong on hit corruptions?
hollow stone
Which is why i wanted to get your opinions
old escarp
I like it for outlaw, but I exclusively run outlaw for keys. I haven’t yet run torment as assa
old escarp
I’ll have to keep a closer eye on my torment damage. It may be better than I think
night vale
Torment feels bad for me, I’m playing really low haste for m+ so could be that but usually 2.5-3% of overall (475 version)
I’ve got about 9% haste iirc
crystal vault
can we macro blind thing from beyond ?
winter fulcrum
how can i improve my ST dps? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/w3sTur3UemedtrCbTH2bgU
its really bad right now
white wyvern
@crystal vault No. You can use a Mouse over though.
crystal vault
k thanks
delicate ermine
Is there a WeakAura similar to Pawket's Feral Display for bleed effects?
hollow stone
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
hollow stone
Take yer pick
gaunt yew
casino build 
hollow stone
And if you just want bleeds, pull it out of the group and delete the rest
tacit pebble
that builds simming highest of any not WV build for the other rogue in my guild too
lots of %mastery and mastery proc corruptions
strange python
3 weeks, 3 legs with shitty corruptions, fucking joke
abstract moon
What addon you guys using to help keep awareness on when garrote and rupture is fixing to fall off?
tacit pebble
most people use weakauras
abstract moon
I have weakauras 2 I really dont know how to set it up though to notify me
tropic ocean
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
tropic ocean
pick any of those u like
tidal gorge
What's the best way you all have found to deal with (org vision) Rexxar in high masks with daredevil? I 4-masked pretty easy last night, but the boars chain stunned me and triggered cranial. I think I might be able to 5-mask if I can deal with that
toxic burrow
With 3 SS traits, you can just garrote him twice, rupture, pop vendetta, Blood of the enemy and Exsanguinate. Use Cyclotronic Blast too and Rexxar should drop faster than most groups on LFR Skitra.
tidal gorge
Oooooh. Exsanguinate. That's a good idea, I didn't think of changing that row
toxic burrow
Started using it for visions after seeing a tip about setting up for it in Sin. It has helped make short work of elites!
hard garnet
anyone know why my mission table hasn't got the next step for my worldvein rank 3/ how I can get it?
I unlocked rank 2 worldvein but I can't see hoow to get rank 3
cold meteor
Exsang was good back in Uldir, and so much more fun than TB
Rank 3 you need to do a island cap, then it gives you some mission for your garrison table
tacit pebble
TB should be baseline dont @ me
cold meteor
if i remember right, you need 15 items from island expedition
zemlan treasure map or smh
ho no, this is rank 2 isn't it ?
idle ember
there a way to sim the cloak upgrade this week? havent had time to do it yet, just curious
cold meteor
ye you need to do 3 weeks island @hard garnet
you need 3 worldvein intelligence reports
hard garnet
gotcha thanks
ashen osprey
Then days of table quests
hollow stone
@cold meteor oh, youre one of those people who like exsg
ashen osprey
I struggle with rexxar as well. I don’t have 3 ss :/
toxic burrow
Do you have any old azerite gear that might have SS traits on them? Been running a couple of 450 pieces that have it and OP to help expedite his transition to death.
tidal gorge
Can also swap gear in visions, so if you need to swap in a burst trinket like font that you may not be using otherwise, that def helps
ashen osprey
I don’t have font :/
And I’ll look again, but I don’t think I was lucky on SS traits for gear
I think at most I can get is 2 SS
gaunt echo
I just single target bursted rexxar, interrupted and kidneyed the first two boars, then cloaked when all 4 were out to finish off rexxar
marble hemlock
you should also try to move him into the enclose that is the second on the left side. the boar in that one spawns last, and youre LoS of the other ones for a long time so you dont get blasted by them
tidal gorge
Now that is the advice I wanted 😄
I wish the boars started targetable like they do on Thrall. I just sapped one of those to start the fight and immediately killed the other
pale knot
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bH1jq4qpCsJGeZxWpETyPa 624 more with subterfuge
patent topaz
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f5F8HbmtvLRL8MESipZbNH 70k with cloak, maybe?
sacred moth
Does anyone have a list of mythic+ gear that's BiS to grind for when nothing drops in raid? Just any Haste/crit gear??
sacred moth
Gear for raiding, in mythic +
cobalt pelican
i'd just recommend anyone simming bote to add the super tentative basic apl change mikihisa posted in tc when checking subterfuge
it's prolly better for you anyway cause FAST build
hollow stone
Outside of the trinkets, not really because of the volatility of sin stars
cobalt pelican
but ma is still the play for most builds you just have to change bote usage slightly
hollow stone
Stats*
Target slots in m+, not stats
Mecha rings, spyglass are really the only targeted things for m+ that could be used in raid. Spyglass might not even make the cut depending on your trinkets
toxic burrow
@sacred moth You could always target the mechagon rings. Might be a little more frustrating this week since folks tend to eat the big one on tyrannical for Mecha. Logic loop of Division and Overclocking Bit Band.
fervent scroll
Could someone explain please how to sim for each bos in Nyalotha?
toxic burrow
The rings will give a hefty amount of Crit and Haste, with the Overclocking bit band giving additional haste when it procs. You could also settle for the Shorting bit band that does nature damage to a nearby target. Does not get boosted by TB.
turbid ether
Hey guys. Could anyone help me out here. im just woundering how much total corruption i should stay att like whats the sweet spot?
white wyvern
<40
vestal wren
39 is the save spot
white wyvern
Otherwise whatever you can handle.
turbid ether
Alright thanks alot 🙂
dusk harness
In the assa guide on Ravenholdt it says
"Vanish when Garrote runs out -> Garrote twice"
But it also says "Vanish paired up with vendetta"
But if I wait until my first garrote has run out, my vendetta will have run out aswell. So I've been refreshing with Vanish just before Vendetta runs out, since there's pandemic anyway.
Is that the correct thing to do?
dusk harness
That'll leave vanish off cd for 2 minutes, is that really ideal?
toxic burrow
@turbid ether You could try to practice dealing with corruption at a slightly higher level too. Get used to popping abilities (leg cloak, Cloak of Shadows, Blind, poison knife and kite, a quick kidney, Shadowmeld if a Night Elf) to handle them until it becomes second nature, then adjust your corruption down as needed between fights. Some fights the Thing will just spawn far too easily due to the constant flow of incoming damage, and others you don't want to have too high of a snare from the Tendrils. @_@
cobalt pelican
with shrouded you play it exactly as listed
wait until your garrote fully expires, vanish and reapply 2 garrotes
winter fulcrum
is conflict and strife worth for n'yalotha?
lethal heart
its good minor
winter fulcrum
but is it worth over essence of the focusing iris?
cause the haste seems really nice
shy dust
Sim it
clear lynx
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
white wyvern
Nameless, then you wait for Vanish to come off CD to Vendetta the second time?
dusk harness
@cobalt pelican
cobalt pelican
yes.. just wait with vend for 20 seconds
lethal heart
unless kill timer doesnt allow for it
dusk harness
Roger
cobalt pelican
what that dud said
dusk harness
Thanks for the fast response.
dusk harness
it's fine
dusk harness
I enjoy suffering
lethal heart
this talent tier is just weak
hollow stone
toxic burrow
I miss the MA shoulders from Legion. :<
cobalt pelican
they both suck if you're not playing shrouded for sure
but if you're not playing shrouded you don't even hold vend anyway anymore i'm p sure so it's way less annoying to play
hollow stone
Wdym people over value MA. It has simmed best, thats literally why people run it
Subt is competitive now but like
hollow stone
Its almost like everyone’s definition of “far” is different
lethal heart
it was never more than 200-300 dps probably
and ma has weird variance as it can be useless on half of the pulls
hollow stone
I mean, yea, but then you can argue that dd is overrated too if you apply that logic
lethal heart
not really because you press vanish twice/three times in a fight versus you press mutilate idk
50 times
hollow stone
Law of large numbers, sure. But not using something because it has a small chance to “not do anything” is not a good arg imo
fleet whale
MA feels good with BoTE and at least it's crits are guaranteed with it
lean marten
patchwork sim rotation is having me Smeld garrote does that proc MA/Subt ?
lethal heart
no smeld doesnt proc subterfuge/ma
it used to proc shrouded empower on garrotes tho
no idea if it still does
fleet whale
it still does
lean marten
i have a SS thats why then
fleet whale
be careful when you use it though, meld can break easily
lean marten
will do, thanks
fleet whale
and also hope your tank doesn't yank the mob away when you use meld
lethal heart
@hollow stone yea ofc
and in previous tiers on average MA performed better than subterfuge
hollow stone
All that being said, i agree w you that its not a big diff
lethal heart
which is confirmed by sims ofc
not a case anymore for some tho
and even at the end of previous tier i think it was dead even for me
hollow stone
Yea. Theyre within 100dps for me right now. Im still opting for ma cause i do not like the desynched vanish for vend 2. Thats just preference
lethal heart
ye and 100 dps difference right now is not as big as 100 dps in bod
fleet whale
it probably won't make or break a kill either way
lethal heart
sadly this talent tier is just weak
hollow stone
It really is
fleet whale
like most assassin talent tiers are weak lol, for both gameplay and performance
lethal heart
if anything im suprised deeper stratagem becomes more of a thing now
white wyvern
Imagine M+ without Subterfuge. 
fleet whale
imo one of the worst talent trees in the game
lethal heart
i thought it'd happen faster
but rupture/envenom not really scaling with combo points as it used to early on in legion
kinda sucks
fleet whale
that was a good change imo
dense blaze
Why can’t I see a nameplate above my Thing from Beyond
hollow escarp
because it's just an illusion 
echo cargo
Is there a particular secondary stat focus for running multiple Twisted Appendage?
scenic nacelle
Vers iirc
rigid mango
Seli doing it
limpid bolt
anyone got an idea why raidbots might tell me to drop ss for ttk but still says subt is better than ma? doesnt make much sense to me https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e3iFoH5Bb3GXU3JfuhzZ1M
potent raft
@limpid bolt because you got mucho haste
faint harness
for m+?
rigid mango
No he's playing it on carapace atm
Idk like, if vop minor has value in the scenario you're using it
It can be fine
mortal gale
rigid mango
👍
hollow stone
Still beat by bdk w t1 td 
dawn root
This game is stupid. I've literally found 20ish corruptions and not one has been twilight dev and you have 5?
When will we be able to target specific ones? hello blizzard?
hollow stone
Go to tourny realm 😬
strange python
anyone with 5 mask full clear experience have an opinion on whats most efficient for us to farm for mementos, 4 or 5 mask given the risk of 5
zinc coyote
did it proc before you died lol
dawn root
The play is likely 1 full 5 clear a week for the 470 item and then 4 masks I'd guess
rigid mango
I can full clear every zone of all trash + boxes on 5 masks easily
So there's no reason not to play 5 mask tbh, if you can do it.
dawn root
I'm not pro at all the mechanics yet. Only have a 4 mask clear so far.
This is also playing outlaw and I'm gonna try assassination tonight
strange python
my last one i went with 3xNP and 3xSS with exsang, plan was to use it for rexxar but ended up staying it for whole thing
dawn root
Do you not want any EB?
rigid mango
I play 1 EB because it's the highest ilvl with 1 SS on it
faint harness
vop minor might be good on carapacci
strange python
which is 3xnp, 3x SS and 3x OP
faint harness
dunno about major
rigid mango
I'm just playing 3 SS + 2np 1 eb
Ye, major is a bit of a meme probs
Depends a bit on proc rng xd
strange python
what trinkets are you running for your 5 mask clear
faint harness
but like rn on carapacci im holding vendetta until the growths in p2
strange python
zine
rigid mango
font cyclo
faint harness
could get another vendetta out before
strange python
da fk
rigid mango
highest burst wdym
rigid mango
I just use it to finish off the bosses
strange python
font might be the play for bosses
faint harness
i tried selis build in there
rigid mango
SS carries everything
faint harness
got it from gamble
rigid mango
idk like
royal lantern
idk tbh
faint harness
fluid machinations
royal lantern
i dont even need too switch gear etc....
faint harness
pretty good head
royal lantern
just using my normal 3xSS/EB m+ gear and stuff still melts in like 10sec
with vendetta+bote+exang
rigid mango
Clear everything to thrall with correct usage of elite extermination
and you just don't have to use an orb until years from that
May or may not have hard inted and nearly wiped 3 times but it was fine TM
royal lantern
^ you can clear all 4 zones with using 1orb max if you do good dmg
if you take it slow and safe
(5mask ofc)
dawn root
I'm assuming using 450 azerite with the SS and NP is just fine?
rigid mango
I use a helm w it, ye
dawn root
Gonna try this tonight have 2 visions left
rigid mango
ye idk I get like 4.5k mementos but I have to minmax a bit more and I think I can reach nearly 5k
royal lantern
its really more about knowing the ways/wich enemys are dangerous and need too die fast
dawn root
Yeah my biggest struggle is mechanics. Little mistakes add up
tidal gorge
Which route do you take? I've been going Garona -> Rexxar -> totem back -> valley of spirits -> other lost area -> totem back -> Thrall, but haven't done any research lol
royal lantern
thats more or less the way most peeps do org
cus you then can hero rexxar and thrall
tidal gorge
The only mob mechanics that I've really needed to care about are focusing the adds that cast the 4sec stun in some areas and ideally throwing strong dots or stunning the burrowing tentacles so you don't have to chase them around. Everything else seems to die really fast and not be a problem
smoky inlet
is the eng helm good for assassin?
tidal gorge
And I guess cleaning out the bug area as you go is better than skipping crap, because if you're SS / NP focused the knockbacks might screw you up
royal lantern
engi head is more or less BiS until you get raden mythic head
so yeha, its good @smoky inlet
crimson palm
any tips for fkin pack before rexxar -.-'
smoky inlet
im trying to decide if its worth spending the gold to level eng, i have the heroic ra-den helm atm
i have gibbering maw, gorak tul's mantle, and darkheart robe
crimson palm
what else u gonna spend ur gold on
minor sky
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > vers => mastery > haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
slow spoke
how do u guys sim? patchwerk 4-5 bosess and 45 secs with no lust ?
dire lintel
any advice for BotE on shorter fight wanna try to learn it compared to clf ?
dense blaze
Correct
dire lintel
k 🙂
crimson palm
Don't u delay vendetta to match it with bote
dense blaze
Vendetta comes up after bote is already up
crimson palm
i'm 99% sure u delay the vendetta and line them up, unless you're going to miss out on a vendetta cast in the long run
rigid mango
What now
dense blaze
?
white wyvern
Dude, BoTE R3 is 1.5m CD.
dense blaze
This guy
crimson palm
explains why i fucked up bote so much lmao
white wyvern
dense blaze
You are using rank 2?
rigid mango
dense blaze
Well shit you’d have to be using rank 1 to be delaying it, it gets CD reduction at rank 2
crisp hollow
the two pvp shoulders with EB have DD in the 2nd row lol what a useless system
abstract moon
What is your current overall average on warcraftlogs for Mythic difficulty (for your main spec/role) *
How do I get that information ^
rigid mango
go on your WCL page
little sandal
can i make a macro with vendeta wolf vain and orc racial?
abstract moon
Its a Major Essence which I dont know why you would run that?
crisp hollow
worldvein major is bis in a lot of situations Shank
@rigid mango is inkpod seeing any use from rogues this tier? debating scrapping mine cuz im short a couple expulsom from a new engi head
patent topaz
just buy green bracers from ah
shy axle
if you use subterfuge but no SS, do you still open like as if you got an SS trait?
or just like MA
polar cape
Wait DS O.O
strange python
shut garnet
that seems like
odd order
why would u waste an extra global inside TB to mutilate
instead of mut tb blood
woven pine
is rank 2 or double mind flay rank 2
little sandal
isnt world vain best for single target or lucid dream beats it
hollow stone
You need to sim it. Wv is typically best for the fights its good on. Bote and clf are typically the best for the fights wv isnt good on
Lucid is not ever best unless youre lacking other options
little sandal
oh ok tysm and for minors what do you recomend
rigid mango
That opener doesn't make sense it's suboptimal but small enough of a diff to not be updated ig
last time I checked doing that was worse
digital timber
Which is stronger for solo visions, sin or outlaw?
rigid mango
sin
digital timber
Just because of boss melting ST dps?
digital timber
Oh so you just go from pack to pack instead of big dangerous pulls with outlaw?
thorn falcon
you run exsang /w shrouded and stack np right? thought i read it here but just want to confirm
rigid mango
Yes
polar cape
Yaay a use for muh gale caller
digital timber
So to recap, 3xss, 2-3x np, exsang, font/cyclo, and what do you run for essences?
And do you just stealth through the whole place and only kill what's required or what can see stealth?
I guess with 4-5 masks you can't realistically mass pull like I've been doing with 0...
vernal flume
as sin its faster if you dont mass pull
because ss melts each pack in seconds and you just move from pack to pack
tardy flame
Is there like a cheat sheet for abbreviations on this discord? What's SS¿
tardy flame
Ahhh alright.
whole mantle
wind falcon
new rogue here, what's the recommended corruption threshold for Rogues to run in ny'alotha. not looking for cheeky responses like, "whatever the max you can run w/o your raid leader kicking you"
for instance: most mages/DKs run <60
white wyvern
<40
wind falcon
tyty, that was my guess too since you can't reliably snare or cc on a short CD