i use blood major, lucid dreams (versa proc and energy), iris for boss fights and purification
#assassination
quick egret
Oo nice, thanks! No one using worldvein?
ocean ore
in single yeap
single i use worldveins, lucid, iris and breath of the dying
but some in some logs, ppl are runing blood of the enemy
dont know why
maybe farm aoe
or fights with high moviment
but not for sure
quick egret
Thanks for all the help man!
So worldvein major in at and blood for air gotcha
I've been fooled by the iris Sims for aoe!
ocean ore
i dont like iris gameplay
i have blood of the enemy in 3-4 chars
just to dont have to play with iris
haha
tropic ocean
@ocean ore u should not refresh bleeds during bote
and naturally by playing correctly it doesn't happen
ocean ore
no during, just after
quick egret
Haha is the spa difference between bote and iris a lot?
DPS*
In real world gameplay
ocean ore
humm cant tell you, i just play with blood
rigid mango
Bote has value on every target count
iris might be better on super high target? but bote is waaaaaaaaaayy better on boss/lower/prio etc.
It's a lot more versatile and a lot better in general
quick egret
Awesome, thanks for all the info guys. will be farming bote when I'm home!
tropic ocean
iris gets worse the more targets it hits
ocean ore
yw bro, have a nice farm
tropic ocean
bote applies debuff so should be superior on high target counts
tropic ocean
target limit is 20 iirc
ocean ore
easy
rigid mango
idk since the day I got bote I've not used iris
Sin doesn't have those dead GCD's like other classes have
quick egret
Oh sweet haha. Does honour I've got currently count towards the cap once I do the mission to get rank one, or is it reset?
quick egret
Ok awesome
ocean ore
track it from 1 atchievement
1 sec, i will see it for u
Battlefield Tactician
track this atchiev
quick egret
Thanks! I will track that.
tropic ocean
I tested it some time ago already
here u can see high DR on target count by iris
~50k dmg more while hitting 10 more targets
quick egret
So bote is way better in pretty much all situations. Got you!
tropic ocean
for sin at least
storm perch
sry for dumb question, what is the best way to sim sin in aoe? dungeon slice, like outlaw? thx for answers
tropic ocean
you can't really properly sim it
storm perch
to correct myself - i mean m+
tropic ocean
stack crit/mastery use 3x ss + as much eb as u can
gusty mirage
Dungeon slice doesn’t really work well for sin
tropic ocean
change for dungeons like kr/siege/tos by reducing eb and adding stuff like ttk or bbi
ocean ore
you can kind simc your aoe with patchwerk - 5 boss 1 min duration
tropic ocean
thats an outlaw sim
rigid mango
That'd be outlaw in sin
ocean ore
to have something to study, compare and some things
tropic ocean
u don't really want to stack mastery on outlaw
languid magnet
i just rerolled to assassin for raiding; im ilvl 454 and sim 60k dps. Does that seem right or is my gear terribly optimized?
quick egret
I sim 57k and I'm 462 on patchwork default lol
gusty mirage
Depends on your essences and traits @languid magnet but that sounds like a pretty solid dps not knowing anything else
languid magnet
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/od8yY2wAeP2DeX69gfNqH
i changed sockets and enchants to mastery after doing a statweight sim
tropic ocean
use topgear for that not statweights
ocean ore
try change talent subterfuge to master assasin
tropic ocean
cant compare in quicksim
ocean ore
prob will emprove your damage @languid magnet
tropic ocean
can u pastebin simc string ? or link top gear sim
gusty mirage
Bote rank 3 would be a huge upgrade in itself
languid magnet
yup, working on that
gusty mirage
God bless you 😭 I hated that grind
languid magnet
yea it sucks; already did it on 3 others (unintentionally though)
ill try to do a best upgrade but cant seem to get into wow right now
ocean ore
NP is good, but if u have another trait in the head/shoulder u should change 1
tropic ocean
^nope
cant tell anything besides bote/breath rank up without having his simc string or a top gear sim
oh and, dont use mainstat food
languid magnet
thanks, much appriciated 🙂
ocean ore
This is a quick simc
dont have too much time
but i change your talentes and major essensce for single
have a nice upgrade damage
tropic ocean
probably lucid major will be better as well as his current major essences
languid magnet
i aim for BotE 3 before next raid
ocean ore
next raid prob it will no longer exist haha
tropic ocean
:^)
ocean ore
next raid is the new expansion
languid magnet
next raid day 😛 ...
potent raft
isn't CLF better for you than BotE?
tropic ocean
doubt he can get clf anytime soon
potent raft
for me it's either WV or CLF, BotD if i think i can get resets
ocean ore
i dont simc that
tropic ocean
he will need to do 2? or was it 3x? mythic radiance/court/azshara for r3?
ocean ore
i like wv
if u track boss skils
you can pretty much know when to use
to not move so much
tropic ocean
wv loses out on movement to clf/bote though
especially when u dont have allies using it
ocean ore
and can use all the burst damage
tropic ocean
if you lose one cast it probably is already inferior to bote or clf
which are no brain essences
tropic ocean
or maybe clf has some more brain usage than bote, as u want to pair it with vendetta depending on fight duration
ocean ore
line up vendeta with clf is boring
bote you just need to save your 2 bote for the vendeta
ocean ore
yeap
ocean ore
if you are farming dps, save it for the little adds
if your RL dont replace you, keep going
xD
ocean ore
hahahahahahaha
languid magnet
should i line up bote with vendetta/vanish always?
ocean ore
yeap
languid magnet
okay; so the 30 sec difference in CD i just "waste" ?
ocean ore
in my pov, yes
languid magnet
thanks!
ocean ore
but im not the best rogue alive
rigid mango
You should, yeah.
quick egret
Do you get extra honour from the PvP teeming islands this week for bote?
ocean ore
dont know, srry
languid magnet
Is the teeming actually happening?
I really want a ez way to get the last 20k honor I need
storm perch
why worldvein is simbait?
tropic ocean
because it is a static essence
so whenever you need to move while it is active
you lose the value
storm perch
you mean move away from current target? seems it's cause of 18-19 seconds...
while bote is onle 10 seconds
languid magnet
Crit on rings? Would mastery not be better?
tropic ocean
according to raidbots nope
(this is simmed with breath and bote r3 so that might influence it)
languid magnet
Oh okay! I did a statweight that favored mastery but bote3 probably has a big effect
tropic ocean
statweights are not a good measure
as you would need to resim after every gem change
topgear does that automatically
languid magnet
Ok great I'll work on my bote3 and adjust to changes. And you changed 1 x nothing personal to dark heart (or w/e) as well right?
languid magnet
Alright! Guess I need to learn to navigate the 'best gear' part of raidbots my self 😁
tropic ocean
no worries
languid magnet
Tyvm! Hope I can get some good parses next raid :)
tropic ocean
mild bane
does Top Gear know to check various combinations of azerite traits if they're in your bag?
faint harness
you have to select them
mild bane
oops, I see
acoustic bramble
Hey guys. How long does a target have to be alive for me to be worth applying bleeds on it?
tropic ocean
the full duration
u can snipe energy if in desperate need for smth by rupturing low hp mob
usually bleeds are just applied to sustain energy (4~5 bleeds) and rest will be used for fok/envenom
idle ember
Does haste affect IS proc rate? Mine seems to run significantly higher than the 4 others in my raid and I started stacking haste in lieu of a simmed 1k dps drop from crit and it seems to be even better.
acoustic bramble
So on a boss fight that occasionally 1 add spawns and we have to kill it, if it dies within 10secs, its worth for me to bleed it instead of just finishing it?
shut garnet
it depends, do you need energy?
rigid mango
Just put a rupture on it but not garrote
quasi patrol
Does anybody know if the T25 set is up to date with the ev nerfs and detection spam fix? Because it still uses double ev
rigid mango
no in that case.
cobalt pelican
it's not used ev since like
many moons
unless you mean the dungeon slice profile
or something
because i don't even know that the raid base profile ever even did use ev it just moved from stars to gw
and is still on gw now
quasi patrol
Sry I guess I clicked on a different spec or something idk 😄
Dungeon slice uses double ev. Guess I clicked on that one
cobalt pelican
the dslice profile is out of date i think, don't think anyone really cares enough to change it
quasi patrol
Yeah I also noticed that retribution pala is missing in the raid profile
scarlet swift
What’s the play for mythic wrathion, I see the logs running bote, are they just dotting up all the spikes and using bote to kill?
Get out as many ruptures on spikes and follow it with bote?
subtle tundra
spike damage is your least priority
idle ember
Bote with Vop lines up vend with blood for boss dmg.
cobalt pelican
play vop major if you're alpha
scarlet swift
Rup is like 3rd damage on this log that’s why I figured they used bote on the shards
cobalt pelican
you can pretty easily see when they use bote but like
rupture being your 3rd damage
scarlet swift
10% overall just under envem 12% and IS 13%
mild bane
how hardcore do you guys go in swapping gear (azerite, non-azerite) in M+ vs. raids? it seems like the combinations could be crazy
strange python
as a hardcore +10 player i just equip 3x echoing 3x shrouded in aoe fights and m+
and st for rest
dawn root
This is one reason why assassination is way harder to gear for both compared to outlaw, for example. A lot of the best sin m+ pieces are from the azerite vendor
gusty mirage
I have 2 sets of azerite gear, and other slotted gear with crit/haste haste/mastery for ST and like 7 trinkets lol
rigid mango
gusty mirage
an entire bag dedicated to gear 
gusty mirage
@mild bane to answer your question, not so much hardcore as necessary to perform, rip to all your bag space if you switch 'sin for all content
mild bane
ok cool, just now been starting to practice all these things and turning to the sims and listening in for growth now
I originally thought I'd do outlaw for M+ and assassin for raids but assassin was too fun
gusty mirage
the tough part for sin in m+ is getting the azerite from the stupid vendor now
strange python
outlaw is suffering
mild bane
I am also intimidated by the simming for M+ since it seems there are no good profiles.. then
if I go by the stock advice and do 3 x SS, some EB or TTK or BBI for non-trash dungeons
is a 15 ilvl difference or 30 ilvl difference worth it to get that?
how do you even sim that?
gusty mirage
yeah dungeonslice just isn't good for sin, yeah outside of siege & KR, and temple on tyran you go triple SS triple EB if you can get it. For those 3 dungeons switch out some of the EB for TtK and BBI
tbh I just run lower keys for a feel of how switching out a trait feels, I only sim for raid
mild bane
ohhh interesting
gusty mirage
but that's mostly because I'm too lazy on customizing a sim to figure out max dps potential in keys
mild bane
then, I can do 11s and 12s for weely residuum.. should I buy a bunch of 460 stuff to roll the dice, or save up for random 475s?
gusty mirage
For me, it depends on the traits. Right now my m+ traits are in a really good place so I'm not bothering with 460s
mild bane
interesting, I think I can answer my questoin there then.. my shoulder/chest 460 has SSx2, TTK, EB so maybe I try again on helmet then start hoarding for 475s
gusty mirage
yeah if your traits are solid/doable for now I'd try the worst set of traits first and then horde residuum for 475s 🙂
mild bane
thanks for all of the advice 😄 😄 I am trying to not ask the things where obviously simming helps
frigid kestrel
Does anyone know if there is a bug with Relinquished Azerite Spaulders? I find it odd that i just rolled Tentacle-Laced Spaulders 4 times back to back
Either RNG hate the living fuck out of me (Possible) or something aint right.
rigid mango
RNG.
atomic willow
if you keep you stat weights current does pawn do good with sin gear?
atomic willow
10-4 that's what i had been doin
idle ember
RNG Nullfox, been there with chest piece before. Half way to my first piece. 😐
frigid kestrel
Thats sucks my RNG has been utter shit lately, first pokemon (Hatched over 1500 eggs and still aint get a shiny) and now this. Might be time to take a break from games for the day.
golden heath
is Noxxic kinda worthless ? just want to see a general st dps ranking. this seems beyond everything i feel right now
ocean ore
was simc 55-56k dps single and now with the weekly chest, im simc 60k.... but im pretty sure i have something better to do, just dont know what :/
vestal wren
golden heath
iam looking for answers because a Warri from my guild with 6 ilvl less sims 5 k dps more. there must be a solution 😄
and thx for the link
true ingot
Corruption/better stats is the easiest conclusion.
rigid mango
Yes noxxic sucks major cock
neat estuary
yea ilvl doesnt realy mean shit when a 50 ilvl downgrade minus socket ends up being a 14k dps increase with some of the corruption affixes
this patchs itemization has been insane
vague tundra
Hi all! Can someone quickly tell what mythic dungeons have best gear pull?
for rogues
golden heath
oof.
Tol dagor for dagger ?
Freehold for trinket?
Siege for trinket ?
Underot for ring ?
something like that maybe
vague tundra
ty
next solar
damn, got 4% crit dmg on bracers and figured itd be an upgrade, nearly 1k dps loss. rip
sand whale
475 dagger IS3 ezgame totally worked hard for it
rigid mango
sand whale
sand whale
ready to die on maut
sonic yacht
Grats *
halcyon falcon
I know the answer to this question is inevitably “it depends”, but I’m curious if there’s a common census on how much corruption everyone is running ? Under 40 is nice to avoid the lil bastard running at you, however, OP corruption can outweigh the risk.
frigid briar
39 for progress on mythic
79 on heroic if you got the balls for it and fights are short
Dont go above 39 if your not confident in dealing with the thing from beyond
You dont need 70 corruption to kill bosses, you need to be alive to kill bosses tho
atomic willow
how bad is NP for M+?
rigid mango
Situational.
frigid briar
Okay for tyranical higher keys, there is better though
atomic willow
450 SS and EB or 480 SS and NP for M+
frigid briar
On the 480 piece what is other trait? SS and NP/??
rigid mango
I'd probably use the NP piece, but that's just me. Feelycrafter deluxe 
subtle tundra
depends on your other traits and dungeon
cause if its a motherlode the eb piece is much better
atomic willow
I've got 3 450 EB+SS currently 2 weeks ago I got tentacle laced spaulders....good for raid bad for M+. I rolled a gore splattered chest this week so I can sim patchwork but wondeing for M+
and @frigid briar the 480 is first ring DD/NP and 2nd ring is SS/filthy transfusion
hallow coyote
Has any one in here gotten good use out of Breath of the Dying Major in raid or M+?
wild mural
It’s pretty awesome on drest’argath
latent gazelle
I haven’t but a DH friend likes to run it to snipe things
May be useful for hemorrages on carapace 🤷♂️
uncut bronze
is there like a BiS list for Assa rogue somewhere
wild mural
Not really
hallow coyote
Yeah I heard you can get some pretty great value of Breath on certain encounters
ocean ore
that is hugeeee
crisp hollow
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kKGup7AW5T5uNfSRd2qhHA is breath major good in practice or is this simbait
marsh heath
How is VoP major with 3x NP for ST raid
magic sparrow
So why would a 460 Vita and a 475 Lustrous Golden Plumage not sim higher than a 435 Azshara's Font??
rigid mango
It'sgood @crisp hollow and if you can execute something else and then onto your main target it's even better 😄
@magic sparrow Because font works really well with coral, and you need expidient pieces to make vita good enough. nothing replaces coral so plumage is out of the picture 😄
magic sparrow
yeah but a 435 font over a 475 plumage that can be used similar to Font seems odd. (hate font and reaaally want to drop it for what i thought was a decent trinket)
frigid briar
Font and coral is so strong due to the 10 second overlap everytime you use 2m cds
ocean ore
the thing of font
is the 30 sec buff duration
with other on use trinket
and with vendeta
rigid mango
Yeah font and corals strenght come from the 14 sec overlap
not just because you can use them both
It's because sin is a CD based spec atm and aligning shit to you vend is a big deal
magic sparrow
yeah i know that but still. hate having to place Font just right all the time. idk, maybe its just a pipedream to drop the 2 on use trinkets ;D
rigid mango
No it's just about getting expidient pieces 😄
Enough of those and vita beats font.
(and they're great as is)
magic sparrow
well i just got Vita/coral to sim over coral/font by 375 dps on patchwork
frigid briar
itmlvl is your font?
arctic tulip
questions.. master assassin vs subterfuge.. any big differense on those?
rigid mango
Generally go for MA until subt sims better, and that can happen at any given point. Frequent sims help you.
arctic tulip
gotcha.. thanks
magic sparrow
i can put another one on and move my IS rank 3 to my belt but thats alot of corruption
golden heath
btw - how can @crisp hollow run 30 million literations ? i can only do 16 million if i would do the "epic" thing on raidbots
rigid mango
hm?
strange python
thats something different
golden heath
ITERATIONS: 15.300.000 / 5.500.000 (3.060 COMBINATIONS)
strange python
thats million
golden heath
i found the problem , i had subterfuge and master assassin clicked so it doubled
strange python
the number you see on the right on the results page is how many iterations the sim needed to be confident it's correct
i think
hardy wind
Any idea why sims are telling me to run SS and subterfuge instead of double dose and master assassin? Not a huge dps difference but that's what it's telling me to take
ocean ore
@hardy wind for single? maybe your stats? i dont know for sure
hardy wind
explains the subt but not shrouded suffocation instead of double dose. like a 400 dps difference
tropic ocean
@strange python the number on the right is how many iterations u can sim with ur premium plan
tropic ocean
what he posted above is he wants to sim more than his plan allows
e.g. with max premium u can sim
15mil iterations
strange python
oh i got confused 
rigid mango
@hardy wind link the sim 😄
rigid mango
You do realise ilvl is huge ye?
honest vessel
nah
ocean ore
humm true
hardy wind
I knew it made a difference but going from double dose to ss makes that much of a difference? i mean going from normal to heroic gear isn't always an upgrade if the traits are garbage
honest vessel
any chance xsang makes a comeback this xpac?
rigid mango
Scales worse than TB
honest vessel
o
rigid mango
Niche usage for really fast kill timers
hardy wind
i'll use whatever is better but it was just weird since I always believed traits were more important than item level (to an extent)
hardy wind
I guess. But now I can do cleave fights a little easier
hardy wind
as soon as I turn in the emissary from today, I unlock the +5 item levels on the helm which will probably make the difference a little larger. well.. guess this is how I show up to raid tonight
worldly condor
What is the rotation for using Subter over MA?
crimson palm
gar rup gar
cosmic obsidian
Garrote1, Garrote2, Garrote3, Vanish, Garrote4, Garrote5, Garrote6 - that's what simc quicksim does
worldly condor
whats the ideal order for cooldowns?
hollow stone
Subt over ma in m+ or st?
manic prism
Hey guys what would be my best roll with residuum, i have 465 gorak tuls, 480 eng helm, and heroic vex chest? should i roll chest?
rigid mango
Assuming ST.
hollow stone
Cause g r g in st w no ss and subt is bad
ocean ore
assuming st gar rup gar to extend duration of gar for a few seconds
hollow stone
No ss, subt opener is g m r
ocean ore
actually nzoth is not a full st fight
have priority targets
but not single
st is mauth
maut
idle ember
and doggo
idle ember
I had no idea
rigid mango
Natural outscaling of % based damage vs flat crit increase
ocean ore
i had no ideia²
rigid mango
Worth simming at any given ponit.
ocean ore
you knockout me with that one haha
idle ember
so run like MA but select sub
rigid mango
Was only behind with ~70-200 last tier
misty lava
@ocean ore 👀
rigid mango
and yeah, exact same shit
hollow stone
You should be simming both at this point
idle ember
I feel like I'm getting elite level trolling
worldly condor
so the rotation is same as it was with MA just using gar/rup on every target possible?
ocean ore
@misty lava trying to replace yzarc haha
rigid mango
I was expecting this last tier
P sure me and apple talked about this in BoD
But yeah, it outscales for real.
idle ember
It was just an eventuality?
rigid mango
Give or take, yeah.
Subt scales off of all your stats, and is a % dam increase
Vs flat crit that sooner or later loses value
ocean ore
this raid availability takes us to DD build with MA, dont?
rigid mango
In the world of coral (and especially bote) the crit is overcap and DR's.
There's no "MA or sub" build
There's the standard build, and it uses one of the two.
this all being said, granted you have very low crit, MA can still be better
hollow stone
Yeee. Right now im using 2x dd, 3x heart, 1x np and subt simming 300 dps higher
idle ember
hallow coyote
Subt still marginally worse for me, but I have two Strikethrough pieces
rigid mango
That being said, raz who is one of the highest simming rogues in the world still has MA simming better I think
outer adder
is there a breakpoint for when you should stop going crit? or is it all based off sims
rigid mango
because he's entirely specced into haste
100% @outer adder
There's no stat that stops scaling apart from crit, and that's at 100%.
idle ember
that's me as well.. running like 34% unbuffed iirc I have this strange gumption that IS procs more with more haste and I'm a devoted cultist.
rigid mango
Not strange, it's hasted.
hollow stone
IS does scale w haste so your feelings are correct... this time
idle ember
RB is telling me to switch to crit pots though, a sign I think?
idle ember
I'm glad to have that confirmed, thanks.
rigid mango
I'm even under the impression that sub is even better than it sims
Because of the APL doing some seemingly jank shit, in my eyes.
idle ember
I'll have to play with it.
rigid mango
Stuff that I personally feel is entirely off.
I fucking hate playing it though, so I don't.
hollow stone
Sounds like a real potential depending on how the apl uses subt and how “accurate” the ma sim is due to obvious rng w ma
rigid mango
It does whack shit with font coral
last time I checked.
Just doesn't align shit for 0 reason or smth
No fucking clue
hollow stone
Oh yeah? I havent looked myself
outer adder
is it worth then running any SS since subt seems to be simming really well with scaling
rigid mango
No
SS isn't good, subt is.
People need to distinguish there's a definite diff between the two
Subt makes SS good, SS doesn't make subt better.
hollow stone
I included ss in my last sim just to see since i had that same idea. Super confirmed a big nope to ss in st lol
rigid mango
Subt is good baseline, with better traits than the very kill timer dependant SS setup.
hollow stone
Yea. W super fast kill timings, sure. But in that situation exsang might even be usable
hollow stone
Prob felt real good fro champs if you did a full clear lol
rigid mango
Sneaked in on rasta
golden heath
That being said, raz who is one of the highest simming rogues in the world still has MA simming better I think
@rigid mango
is it the full name ? / can you give me his amory link or something else ?
drifting cloud
hes a hacker dont look at the sim
rigid mango
I wouldn't use this as a benchmark though.
drifting cloud
wow raz only has a baseline coral
golden heath
I JUST SIMMED IT - i was wondering what would happen if i had 4 pieces of Expediant_3 instead of my twisted appendage_3
drifting cloud
truly unlucky 
worldly condor
@scarlet sequoia how much corruption do you run in raid?
golden heath
next week iam able to wear at least one Expediant_2
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gZebXEuxAwRhb6UTojweyu
rigid mango
Happens when you have those haste levels.
scarlet sequoia
@worldly condor 50 on most bosses, 30 on the ones i dont
golden heath
interesting, very interesting
tacit wing
fuck me raz, that gear LOl
subtle tundra
what is your haste % raz?
golden heath
148 cor @sterile ocean , i wonder how big is the circle Eye thingy
golden heath
explain "normal" to me 😄
sterile ocean
bigger then small
golden heath
bigger then stormwind ?
sterile ocean
no
buoyant raptor
Quick noob question, does raidbots count other people being around you when simming worldvein?
sterile ocean
also wtf is stormwind 🤔
rigid mango
scarlet sequoia
@subtle tundra 38%
golden heath
stormwind is the capitol of azeroth - now u know
subtle tundra
your dps must be really consistant
golden heath
😛
scarlet sequoia
it is very consistent yeah, at least compared to mind flay
onyx hedge
Never lucky Sigh
strange python
cleanse it 
subtle tundra
i hate you 🙂
royal lantern
subtle tundra
one is 35 corruption one is 15
strange python
i cant watch this
subtle tundra
and im pretty sure it will be close
both scale with ilvl
one is max ilvl one is low ilvl
onyx hedge
@strange python lol
subtle tundra
one is the best dps/corruption one is kekw
onyx hedge
Can blizzard not just give me rank 3 static haste plz
pretty please D:
And non mastery gear
onyx hedge
Like unchanging
subtle tundra
you mean expedient?
pale knot
this higher then raz ?:D
subtle tundra
rank 3? how so
pale knot
😄
rigid mango
👉 🚪
onyx hedge
@pale knot You been stealing all my rank 3 flat haste corruptions -_-
Rank 1 gushing wound hurts my soul
subtle tundra
its the best corruption....
onyx hedge
because its not rank 2 or rank 3
rigid mango
It only hsa one rank tho?
subtle tundra
DUDE THERE IS NO RANK 2
onyx hedge
pepehands
rigid mango
rigid mango
Expidient obv.
subtle tundra
well i asked earlier.
onyx hedge
lol Varas is fucking salty
subtle tundra
im not salty
onyx hedge
i told you varas
subtle tundra
i just bought gushing wounds boe
rigid mango
Just think everyone's getting a headache from reading this
subtle tundra
if you dont drop corruptions, buy them
rigid mango
rigid mango
ironic
idle ember
I love seeing all these cleansed 470 shards. My rogue pals crucified me for wiping it.
onyx hedge
I just want to point out the only reason that i didnt know it only had one rank was because it never fucking drops @rigid mango
latent gazelle
I know a rogue that cleansed the Ra-den fist weap
strange python
it's always pepegas getting nice gear
latent gazelle
(Not sin related but)
dense blaze
Got 475 overclock ring with leech corruption. EZ cleanse just need that other ring
latent gazelle
Don’t cleanse leech. Link it to every healer n watch them cry. Then when they don’t heal you, you’ll be okay cause leech
dense blaze
It has 28 corruption which is weird cause I’ve only ever seen it in increments of 5
latent gazelle
Some are different. Think one has 13? Idk which it is
rough veldt
basic noob question, good or bad to stack 2 rank 2 of infinite stars? one ring and one from belt, 445s ilvl
dark crag
grave trail
racing pulse insane?
tropic ocean
grave trail
very helpful thanks
tropic ocean
np
molten moon
Sorry for the basic question, how do you properly line up vendetta, vanish, and CLF? didn't see it any guides
edgy pawn
vendetta/vanish at 0,2,4,6,8,etc
dark crag
Clf vendetta tb vanish env
ashen ermine
r3 infinite stars on my dagger out of chest 
molten moon
My sims are showing SS and subt to be better than MA. So I'm trying to see if waiting 20 seconds for vanish cooldown before using vendetta a 2nd time is right
grave trail
always use clf before so you dont waste a gcd after vend is up
edgy pawn
you can always quicksim your char and look at what the apl does
honest vessel
^ my fav
modest raptor
Guys. sims are saying that 460 segment of Dres is better than badge. Should i just use segment on CD or together with vendetta?
iron plover
@rigid mango so vendetta wouldn't pump up damage from say, breathe of the dying ?
what's whitelisted mean?
rigid mango
That there's certain things that it works on
so trinkets etc
Stuff that isn't rogue specific
iron plover
oh gotcha gotcha
rigid mango
Same for TB
north cobalt
M+ AoE Openers
With Crimson Tempest talented
G1 G2 G3 CT FoK R1 BotE 5xFoKWithout Crimson Tempest
G1 G2 G3 R1 FoK Env BotE 5xFoK
sorry, new to rogue. In that pin, what is CT R1 BotE?
hardy wind
crimson tempest, rupture (g=garrote) and blood of the enemy (essence)
north cobalt
ah. rip not having blood of the enemy lol
hardy wind
focusing iris is just fine or worldvein works too. iris is better burst aoe
but blood of the enemy is usually better
hardy wind
for aoe fights, yeah. I still use worldvein just because a lot of guildies use it and I like it better
solemn meadow
tacit pebble
bote is the highest performing trait on most mythic fights
rigid mango
north cobalt
How much of a difference is exsang vs tb?
hallow coyote
Probably pretty noticeable
It's 1.8K for me
I don't think there's any encounter where it's reliable better in terms of overall throughput
fast steppe
Humming + Vita-charged, Vita + Writhing, or Humming + Writhing for m+? All 360-365
vast forum
360 is pretty low my frend
drifting cloud
writhing+humming I guess
fair delta
why does top gear display a completely different number than quick sim? top gear has my current setup at ~66k dps and when i quicksim my current setup, it's at ~58k
hallow coyote
Did you change your settings on one of them?
drifting cloud
different settings/gear
rigid mango
Link the two.
fair delta
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a91YE3u3seTuNQP4CYrSRt
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6XcH4kv8LcgwU1nbwLQyDn
rigid mango
uhh
I can see ad iff already
470 > 466 ilvl
buddy these are diff sims
wait
ok I see the issue
You've entirely diff items in the two sims
crimson palm
fair delta
maybe im misunderstanding the way top gear works. what i did was run top gear selecting different gear (from simc)
then took same simc and just ran quick sim
fair delta
i assumed that the quick sim would match the currently equipped portion of top gear
harsh sphinx
cannonball 
rigid mango
without actually wearing what top gear had given you
crisp hollow
ok perfect
crimson palm
Tbh Id use it after vanish if it benefits from MA
Mut rup mut gar ven tb van dying env mut maybe
crimson palm
rigid mango
It doesn't actually add flat 50% crit rating, just adds an extra 50% crit chance to your rogue abilties
😄
You can look at your crit when you destealth it wont move
crisp hollow
another W for subterfuge
crimson palm
Ye I noticed that but had no clue how it worked internally
rigid mango
MA/TB/Vend are all whitelisted
Just imagine an inkpod with all those 3 working
50% increased crit, coral stacks, 60% increased damage, + bote increased crit dmg (which actually does work for inkpod)
👌
crimson palm
- crit corruption +benthic crit dmg
sudden ravine
Are the spell IDs for the major and minor proc of Vita the same? I can't seem to find anything differentiating
I want to track my own proc as well as other's procs given to me ; but they share a name. Trying to go to spell ID but it seems like they share a spell ID too
marsh heath
VoP major 
sudden ravine
im using those atm
unless i messed something up on weakauras which is possible, ill double check
warm parcel
These least have different tooltips on wowhead
So I would assume this translates to ingame
Could be it doesnt
sudden ravine
im using those 2 different spell IDs and both WAs proc for the individual proc
hm.
warm parcel
Eeh could be theyre nto separated. Even logs have just one id
sudden ravine
yeah
i don't need to track both, i just wanted to track both for on the fly knowledge sake. isnt a big deal if i cant, oh well
fathom wyvern
what traits does assa want for m+ now?
mossy light
Anyone here happen to be a wizard at logs analysis and could give me a hand?
mossy light
Pms not working o.O
halcyon falcon
I played the vendor lottery 2x today and got Gorak Tul’s and the shoulders with SS and EB and unstable flames...today was a good day
rigid mango
SS EB still, TTK is good too @fathom wyvern
fathom wyvern
ty
manic prism
is shoulders still the best roll for rogues?
shut garnet
stoic violet
Does droptimizer count azerite? I thought I remember it not taking azerite traits into account
summer cedar
Is there a way to sim removing your corruption from a piece of gear?
strange latch
you can do an item compare and use the same item without the corruption
languid sail
HOD or TTK for m+?
dark token
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aBYpCqzmgZDrNG3Q#fight=55&type=damage-done&source=69 why does my percentile DPS blow? is it just my gear/essences?
silent silo
can you macro blind to be used on things from beyond?
hidden bay
@dark token reforge shoulders to dd/bbi and chest to dd/filthy tranfusion (if its called like this), use master assassin and might aswell change essences to bote major
bote major, strife/iris, lucid, breath
and u have shitty trinkets
hidden bay
try to pug eternal palace for font/coral
i mean
everything is playable
but theres always better stuff
gameplay wise u looking fine
thick kettle
anyone using mind flay for corruption?
ocean torrent
are Sin using VoP minor now just for the vers? since i'm assuming you still line up Vanish with Vendetta
hidden bay
currently the only good fight where u would spec VoP is wrathion
on any other fight u wouldnt pick it
just because everything else is better
n'zoth is good aswell
with triple NP
stoic violet
Anyone got a suggestion for this. I have enough residuum for a 475 piece. I currently have:
450 Darkwood Sentinel's Guise (second from BiS according to bloodmallet)
475 Extravagant Epaulets (meh traits)
450 Darkheart Robe (BiS)
stoic violet
Well I mean. With the residuum, I could get a 475 helm, and risk getting garbo traits. Or just keep the two 450 pieces, and try for better shoulders
But it's gotta be random
stoic violet
I mean, my helm and chest are both great right now. But I have residuum for a 475 piece.
zinc coyote
Anyone use a targeting macro for thing from@beyond?
stoic violet
I'm not sure if I should risk getting a 475 helm, and hope for similarly good traits, or get shoulders, not get any ilvl increase, and just try to get better traits
hidden bay
@stoic violet https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/d3S6rG7Pyx4Vv41EfVDbYT wait till sim is done and u know what to do 
stoic violet
appreciate ya boss
hidden bay
and make sure to enchant ur offhand
its like a 1k dps gain
quick navigation most likely
stoic violet
oh word true, I just got it yesterday lmao. Forgot to do that
same with the ring lmao
hidden bay
and change essences for raid if u arent doing that already
go with bote major, strife/iris, breath, lucid or clf major, strife/iris, breath, lucid
stoic violet
Ugh, but my BotE is only rank 2.
hidden bay
then u wont play that
rank2 is useless
for azerite vendor u can flip a coin between head or shoulders
goraktul/slithering loa almost same dps
stoic violet
Yeah I'll risk it all with the helm lol
hidden bay
survivability wise its the best, yea
due to 475 already on shoulders but lower on head
echo heath
i have a 460 socketed writhing segment of drest'agath that is simming a little higher than my 465 harlans loaded dice, that doesn't seem right
halcyon zealot
whats a good overall dungeon dps for m+? Im sitting between 59-64k atm, and could definitely use better azerite
trying to get a baseline though.
tribal granite
is raidbots working for you guys?
whole mantle
onyx hedge
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226959169633255425/679550897524572297/unknown.png First try, i get mythic Gorak tul's both last tier and this tier
light kestrel
Has exsang fallen so far behind that it's even worse for rogues on running SS? I sim better w/ TB across the board
fallow otter
Yeh I don't even bother simming it anymore, in my world SS and exsang don't exist
Coz i outlaw for m+
ashen solar
SS can be top in st
desert surge
@onyx hedge i hate you
onyx hedge
Why ):
vast forum
exsang has its uses, just not in long fights
there's no higher burst than 3xNP 3xSS exsang
strange python
Quickquestion if anyone may help, is it worth taking the risk to roll for a 475 azerite piece of gear and risk bad or semi-okay traits to replace my 450 azerite piece with good traits?
or should i save the Titan Residuum to buy the piece I want
bleak spoke
Depends on what you’re trying to do
If you want better gear now for progress you should roll
Also depends on the piece
strange python
i am running 3x Double Dose 2x Shrouded Suffocation and 1x Nothing Personal. With 3x Overwhelming Power
onyx hedge
if your not pushing 4/12M + i would prob just waiut and roll mythic ones
strange python
all at 450-465 ilvl
arctic walrus
interesting cut off
strange python
but I couuld buy I think 2-3 pieces of 475 gear now
onyx hedge
Well, Wrathion mythic is harder than maut and skitra so if you kill wrathion then other two are going to be soon after. First place you really need dps is prob shad'har
Up to you tho Uta
strange python
I havn't tried Mythic prog yet, just cleared heroic recently
I ddon't have the proper essences I think as well yet :S
onyx hedge
I would just roll for Mythic then
strange python
onyx hedge
Unless your getting CE or deep mythic early then you prob want mythic peices
strange python
current neck
hmmm okay, so save TR to target the good pieces and just roll mythic loot?
arctic walrus
do you run shrouded out of necessity or do you like the playstyle and are okay with less damage
onyx hedge
yeah
bleak spoke
That’s a bit dated
arctic walrus
or m+ related
strange python
ah.. so what should I be aiming for-- for raiding?
i am not a fan of SS playstyle
bleak spoke
Double dose and nothing personal
ashen solar
Heart of darkness too
bleak spoke
Heart of darkness on the raid pieces
strange python
I see..
so HoD always on raid pieces?
3x DD and 2x HoD 1x Nothing Personal?
Sorry for the questions guys!
arctic walrus
just do whatever top gear tells you
utilize raidbots
run droptimizer for azerite right now and see what slot you can roll for max benefit
strange python
ok ty
storm perch
does reaping flames get increased value, if it was casted during vendetta?
patent topaz
Vendetta only applies to rogue abilities
modest tendon
Ah yes pieces I won’t get until the end of the patch because I’m unlucky 😛
patent topaz
I was using 420 gorak tuls at the start of 8.3
sullen hearth
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pkFybLw9bhqt9yNtpPczoy WV sims high for me despite having 0 allies. I cant get enough people in my raid to use WV anyways is it worth to run it as a major
on my own
onyx hedge
@sullen hearth i have the same problem, no one thinks its going to be good enough
sullen hearth
Well the alternative is basically CLF or BoTE and the sim show BoTE as a significant loss
onyx hedge
ye same
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/LxADBdnLtamwMoDNJFxqC What im getting atm
my corruptions are pretty bad
asides from GW,
low junco
potent raft
go sim it with gear compare, you should be able to find it if you later click on the "..." and copy the input (from the result with helmet)
storm perch
you can type Stygian Guise in gear compare tab
vast forum
https://gyazo.com/0d30d4ea61794118686015b252ad7128 any KEKW in the chat?
reef mulch
hehe i got boots with that effect just now
crimson palm
this is bis https://www.wowhead.com/item=159335/raiment-of-the-blighted-tribe for M+ right?
arctic walrus
Yeah
knotty pond
crimson palm
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oYx4ErMHTev4bfXM8Rn1vX could someone who plays M+ help me optimize traits here
modest tendon
Don’t use Dungeon slice
Your corruptions are a bit meh
You will also struggle with overall since you only have 1 eb
You have a good setup for siege, KR, etc
umbral mauve
how much corruption you guys playing in progress?
modest tendon
<40 for being safe, <60 for damage
potent raft
fuck being safe :D
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e3Sw7fd326iHyiXbM6P9dH
scarlet hinge
How sure are we that corruption balancing is finished? Got a good ilvl upgrade dagger with VR3, which top gear is telling me to purify
potent raft
you can't be sure. this is blizzard
patent topaz
I wouldnt purify a high level corrupted piece atm, depends on what else you have
winter moss
you can never be sure that balancing is finished
scarlet hinge
dagger is 470 with socket, replacing a 450 and 445
potent raft
how much corruption is VR3?
scarlet hinge
66
potent raft
personally i'd purify it
potent raft
VR is not that useful anyway, and not like your other corruptions are shit. the upgrade in MH is huge, until you get a 475/485 MH, then this moves to OH for a long time
as i said, personally this is what i'd do
scarlet hinge
Yeah, I'm tending to agree
potent raft
i wont sit on 450 dagger for weeks in fear that blizz might buff/nerf some corruptions
scarlet hinge
too much of a dps loss at the moment (progression) to worry about a potential future buff to VR
potent raft
if you are raiding mythic, i'd wait until this week's wrathion first
see if you get a 475 dagger
if not - yolo purify
scarlet hinge
Unfortunately, I'm not on mythic atm. Yeah fuckit, purify it is.
Thanks for the input folks
frigid briar
Wrathion dagger doesnt exist. Its a myth
strange python
i have a heroic one with a socket
awful corruptions tho
as in no t3 infstars or tentacle or bleed or devastation
got the third pair of m+ boots this week when i could just craft one
short warren
Should I purify this? I have hc shard of the black empire and 445 belt with r3 twisted appendage for my other corruptions but i can only wear 2
modest tendon
I’d say no and store it, it might be good in the future
faint harness
when did mindflay get nerfed
green scroll
How do we play with WV on guild, should we make a rotation on the use so raid is constantly under 4 veins buff ? Or is it just a personal matter ?
vast forum
personal, you should have 4 buffs always anyway if you're stacked
modest tendon
On our doggo kill, RL made everyone withWV loosely stack
green scroll
ok thks
onyx hedge
my guild thinks that WV isnt good enough regardless of most raid teams using it in mythic 🙂
modest tendon
Why’s that?
onyx hedge
they think its not going to be worth it
it wont be an upgrade
as in dps increase
the only one i can think of that wouldnt like it is Warrriors
neon hornet
Pally might complain about not running vision major, but I don't see why they wouldn't use WV minor
onyx hedge
taht is waht i said
they just use minor wv
they still refuse lol
not as a whole, just individual players
modest tendon
Well it will objectively be a dps increase, I could understand if they don’t think it’s practical though
But a lot of people are using it now
onyx hedge
it pisses me off
cause its a 600 dps increase
if i have 1 other person running it
1 lol
strange python
what fights tho
rigid mango
Not like it's insane just nice to have
onyx hedge
yeah
rigid mango
I ended up using it nowhere on prog anyways
onyx hedge
I agree zine
rigid mango
modest tendon
Shad har is a good boss for WV
onyx hedge
I just dont understand when all our strats for first 3 are stacking
why would you not run WV ...
modest tendon
Send a message to your RL from payday the nobody ‘you are a noob’ ty
onyx hedge
ye
not the raid team as whole, i talked to raid leader and officers tho
they said if you can get people to run it cool if not its meh
rigid mango
And when I wanted WV I just told melee to run it and they did 
modest tendon
Oops didn’t read mb
onyx hedge
which is sorta true but
onyx hedge
Zine talk some sense into my raid team 🙂
rigid mango
Idk man, WV minor only beats my other stuff by like 600 smth and it loses as a major 
onyx hedge
Ill do a sim real quck with 5 allies
Sorry was doing somethjing
pretty big increase tbh
plain moon
We just shame and call people who don’t put on WV cringe in my raid
Nothing works better than peer pressure
onyx hedge
its only me in my raid grp that knows that if we run WV its going to be good.
no one else LOL
strange python
sim them all with wv and show how much more it is
onyx hedge
would have to get a link from each of them
rigid mango
I forced people into it but they just accepted defeat if I told them to swap 
rigid mango
I'm a budget officer essentially
modest tendon
Do you not piss off the real officers?
rigid mango
shad