hey guys so i have a q regarding trinkets. i currently have galecaller's boon and first mate's spyglass. should i use both of em every time off cd? or should i tie one of them to vendetta and use it with that?
#assassination
amber tiger
drifting cloud
2 on use when one of them isnt font is pretty bad
you are just losing alot of value on them
mighty elm
Probably just check your APL @amber tiger
mighty elm
The action priority list through your sim
strange python
Shadowstep in first boss sob still bugged?
onyx hedge
Anyone else feel like blizzard hates them loot wise?
All my gear can get when i try sim it at least
My guild refuses to use worldvein so no point simming it
rigid mango
Nope I'm pretty happy with my loot 
onyx hedge
😭
jaunty arrow
Loot? U mean azerite? 
rigid mango
All my logs are private 
onyx hedge
Heroic
rigid mango
onyx hedge
:I
onyx hedge
im currently doing mythic rn
faint harness
but maut for instance
i did 68.5k or some shit on our first kill and got a 94, real sad
rigid mango
Highest log is 73
chrome forum
What level of corruption would you say is a good amount for assassination?
onyx hedge
That was first raid when i logged it
rigid mango
Not like that's unreachable sim wise
onyx hedge
Riad leader has all the logs
rigid mango
39 to be safe
faint harness
one thing simming it, another reaching that dps
rigid mango
But under 50 works for me on prog atleast
Yeah but he's not out dpsing his sim by 6-7k (probs)
faint harness
very likely not
meh i dont like maut, felt like i was killing myself as soon as cloak dropped
onyx hedge
Im not perfect either and not blaming entirely, but my guild has some pretty terrible players
rigid mango
So idk wym when you say you need to clap your sims by a lot to get good logs
onyx hedge
we dont kill fast enoguh or efficiently enough to get rediculously high shit
faint harness
@rigid mango simply a comment about the 59k sim reaching 95ers
which is impossible in mythic
onyx hedge
I never said that it was in mythic 🙂
chrome forum
mythic logs are the only logs
faint harness
pretty much
onyx hedge
^
faint harness
i dont pot in heroic, play sloppy
rigid mango
Idk like week 1 hc logs are kinda nice but w/ever
chrome forum
week 1 heroic logs with totally RNG corruption
rigid mango
Any r1 week 1'ers
faint harness
that too
chrome forum
our feral druid had 2 Echoing void traits
harsh sphinx
chrome forum
top dps kek
faint harness
played outlaw week 1 heroic x)
harsh sphinx
very early
onyx hedge
My guild aint killed mythic, this is our first night on it. So i still pre pot heroic
we got 6/8 last teir in M
faint harness
u on wrathion?
faint harness
its a rough fight for casual guilds
progd some shadhar last night, it fucking sucks as sin?
we have 1 paladin
no freedom
ur fucked
rigid mango
We have 2 brms?
faint harness
tigers lust?
rigid mango
Hm?
faint harness
how do you get out of the raid with the blobs to avoid cucking your raid with the blob
rigid mango
Cut the room in half have one side be "soak side" one be where everyone stands
faint harness
can it be used on others?
rigid mango
They solo them
rigid mango
Our tanks do them w/out needing any intervention
If they aint doing them
Flame the shit out of them
faint harness
nope
harsh sphinx
yo did you go pirate or stay assa for hivemind
rigid mango
I went pirate first night assa for kill
faint harness
not there yet, but outlaw
faint harness
is it easier?
harsh sphinx
tonight
faint harness
we reached p3 shad in like 1 hour of prog, so it doesnt seem too bad either
faint harness
fair
faint harness
i'm just a dumb dps, i show up and hit my assigned target
rigid mango
Either you have it or you don't
onyx hedge
Zine can you link a sim pretty plz
faint harness
we have quite good dps
rigid mango
We've got an arms warr doing meh dps but he will be the main execute
Same for fmages/bm hunt
Sim for what mate
I'm on my phone so aint gottem on me
onyx hedge
nvm then
harsh sphinx
are you still a bote gamer
harsh sphinx
harsh sphinx
debating if i save for ss/eb pieces or not 
rigid mango
Loa is 150 dps, goraks 800. Nothing else is a win
So idk, I'll just use it for m+ ig
Roll shoulders until I get m+/goraks and then change
If u have 3 eb ss it's dope on hivemind btw
harsh sphinx
ya idk if i'm gonna roll. i mean i do at 450 lol
rigid mango
Really stupid shit outlaw can do it too but meh
harsh sphinx
think i have better outlaw shit
rigid mango
Yeh I ran 2 ss eb 1 ttk np 
Came in for one pull as sin
Could've easily done another 10-15 if I had some more pulls to optimise my shit
harsh sphinx
see how thing's look maybe try both
faint harness
how is bote major bis
what kind of stat spread would cause that
do you run crit dmg corruption?
rigid mango
I've got one that amps amount of crit
faint harness
ah
rigid mango
But rn my gear wants vers like fuck and some crit
faint harness
crit/vers seems to be the best if you run EV
rose violet
Don’t have that. Still bis for me
faint harness
all the stats to boost the dmg
rose violet
Just a strong essence
rigid mango
Yeh well gushing wounds fucked my stats a bit
faint harness
"hurr durr i have GW btw"
mighty elm
You lil lucker
faint harness
f*
mighty elm
rigid mango
2.5
faint harness
Jaysus
mighty elm
How many inches?
rose violet
faint harness
ring?
rigid mango
faint harness
leather?
rigid mango
Feet
faint harness
ah
rigid mango
First thing I'll socket
faint harness
makes sense
rigid mango
But yeh I'm pretty stacked atm :)
faint harness
shit is broken
mighty elm
How much y simming now
rigid mango
74k
mighty elm
Hope u get some utter trash from weekly
rose violet
Is there a reason why gw is so rare
faint harness
its the end game corruption
faint harness
its like getting ur bis legendary in legion
rose violet
Like blizz would know what’s best
mighty elm
timid slate
Did BotE drop from #1 major essence for m+?
rigid mango
Nope
rose violet
Why would it
rigid mango
Idk iris hasn't been bis since pre-bote
frigid briar
Iris can be strong on hivemind, mass grip the darters in, cap totem or leg sweep and 6 people use iris, job done
rigid mango
I don't see what the issue is there?
patent topaz
tfw you sim for 48k 
rigid mango
Not everyone can be a gamer 
distant lava
patent topaz
I dont think we can resurrect the mythic team this exp, we slapped together a couple of people to at least get curve and chill
keen nebula
I sim for 30k
keen nebula
me? ye xd
frigid briar
Whats the biggest 5min sim single target posted for assass so far in here
mighty elm
frigid briar
How much?
onyx hedge
@frigid briar Pog, big fan 🙂
frigid briar
How much corruption?
distant lava
43
rigid mango
Granted it's with 48 corr but it is what I'll be using
onyx hedge
First boss mythic down. Ezclap
frigid briar
I can equip 78k but corruption to high
rigid mango
Could cut it to 38 and lose 700 ish or something
distant lava
Imagine not playing with thing from below 
rigid mango
I mean I can go to like 80 but who cares it's an irrelevant sim
frigid briar
What corruption you running?
mighty elm
Below 
frigid briar
For standard progress single target
distant lava
I'd say under 60 should be fine for most bosses, you can probably vet away with under 80 aswell
mighty elm
60+ is what I’ve been running on all progress, it’s rng tho, u could be fine or you could be brutally fucked
rigid mango
Idk I wont run above 50~ I don't think
mighty elm
The amount of times I had 3 circles on hive mind and shadhar
distant lava
But 63 on hivemind wasnt bad
raven mica
That’s where your cloak active comes in clutch
distant lava
Worst case scenario you lose a little bit of uptime
mighty elm
I cloaked 3 circles then after 7 sec, I saw 2 purple boys 
rigid mango
Next week I can add another decent piece probs
distant lava
Yeah when it wants to fuck you it definetly does
raven mica
distant lava
Imagine raiding with thatmonster
mighty elm
In MH?
raven mica
Like that’s just all I can think of when you said 2 purple BOIS showed up
rigid mango
frigid briar
If I get dagger im gonna need to cleanse it :(
mighty elm
Not having carapace dagger 
onyx hedge
^
rigid mango
Idk if I will
onyx hedge
Mine lul
frigid briar
I already gor 475 mind flay boots and dagger with 2x rank2 echo void
mighty elm
I need 1 junkyard ring them I’m afk till shadowlands
rigid mango
We'll see, I'm hoping I get wrath dagger too so
sullen pagoda
Fuck mindflay so rng garbage
onyx hedge
@frigid briar gimmy gimmy
raven mica
Oh, so just like the entire rest of the system?
frigid briar
Cant afford more corruption from dagger
mighty elm
I fuck with mindflay, got rank 5, that shit slaps
sullen pagoda
Its worse
raven mica
Yea I have a dagger with t2 twilight on it and it’s cool but mang i want carapace dagger more
mighty elm
Did 50k dps for me by itself for 1 min
sullen pagoda
Legit 1pull top dmg next 50k
raven mica
Also cuz carapace dagger would be 35 ilevels
distant lava
Meanwhile my mindflay does 1.5
rigid mango
Idk gushing is so consistant
distant lava
rigid mango
It's scary
raven mica
You did HOW MUCH FUCKING DAMAGE?
sullen pagoda
I mean thats being lucky not standard
raven mica
50K????
sullen pagoda
Sure
frigid briar
I mean really you want echo void and as many pieces as you can play with
raven mica
Ah yes, I am surely going to be able to target pieces with echoing void
frigid briar
Twilight is bait, stars is bait
raven mica
Especially as a non brewmaster or non feral Druid
sullen pagoda
Ev also seems most consistent
frigid briar
Gushing is cheap dps
raven mica
Twilight ain’t bait, twilight’s hilarious
mighty elm
I want some EV
raven mica
Everyone wants EV
mighty elm
frigid briar
Can proc on nothing, can also spawn further than the boss and deal no damage
distant lava
I just want full gushing
mighty elm
And tencacle buff 
raven mica
No.
sullen pagoda
Doubt more balancing is gonna come
distant lava
Leave EV as it is
raven mica
Oh hell yes this shit needs balancing.
raven mica
Fuckin DJ
sullen pagoda
Ye we also said benthic will be nerfed after rwf but it stayed xd
raven mica
Did your raid lead also snipe an EV BOE off the AH and just hand it to you?
distant lava
Nah
All my corruption is mine
I got given a rank 1 TD from heroic clear but it's not worth
raven mica
And DJ took an incredible amount of skill to acquire it.
dark crag
Nerf ev, stars, make all procs consistent
raven mica
frigid briar
At that point you can just remove it because all would feel the same
raven mica
Where’s my corruptions mang
cobalt gyro
raven mica
On second thought I’m glad that
frigid briar
Only some will be buffed
dark crag
That's step no2, remove all dmg procs
distant lava
Just hang in there roguebrahs
mighty elm
I like that it’s not balanced
meager bridge
mighty elm
Want to have some loot that is pog to get, don’t want to have everything be at same level
real bay
most loot except azerite feels so insignificant unless it's giga corrupted
few hundred dps wow. Or you could get rngd and get 4k dps
Titanforging was bad and we made it even worse 
glacial flare
Indeed @real bay ...
night vale
I’m all for having super powerful loot that feels impactful like corrupted gear. It gives you something to work towards and keeps you playing the game. The problem is it’s awarded randomly and that doesn’t feel great to me
glacial flare
They should at least make some sort of compensation mechanism. For example, every time you'd cleanse a corrupted item, you'd get a currency that you could use to imprint a corrupted effect/rank.
mighty elm
Method is yoinking them all
faint harness
i'm playing on giga small realm and we have memento raiding here
the very few pieces that end up on AH
is sniped instant
so we can just forget about getting any decent boes
rigid mango
You have slack too
Stormreaver is just like 2 big guilds iirc
Or is korruptio there too?
faint harness
korruptio too
and now theres a new finnish guild created by some memento lad
we call it the finnish race on our realm
but its clearly memento winning this time
rigid mango
Isn't stormreaver just fins p much
faint harness
Finnreaver
rigid mango
Like it's the fin server
faint harness
Trolltyg
Oldest guild on the realm
Would guess their average age is 30+
at the very least
rigid mango
Boomertown, seem aight
faint harness
Stormreaver is competitive for its small size, but the player count and AH is fucking terrible
everythings giga expensive
rigid mango
Sounds about right
tender folio
Any specific % of haste when it comes to the myth+ build ?
scarlet sequoia
23,9
outer lotus
You are crazy 736 haste is obviously optimal
tender folio
ty
outer lotus
Just to clarify, we were joking. There is no specific number you should aim for
faint harness
you do want to prioritize mastery/crit in m+ tho
im sure its written here somewhere in a guide
deep wedge
is there any positive side for assa instead of outlaw in m+ ?
gusty mirage
Crippling poison is nice for necrotic weeks too
faint harness
outlaw can keep up in aoe and does better ST than 3x EB/SS build
deep wedge
really
i feel like my outlaw does really bad dmg in st
in aoe I can get to 70/80k in most packs, but I'd be sitting at 30k or 35k in st in m+
faint harness
have you tried 3x EB/SS build
gusty mirage
The 2nd EB goes a long way, more than you’d think
And a third puts you over the top
deep wedge
I'll try it when I get 2 other traits, but in my head I was focusing on AoE for outlaw and ST for sin
oh
faint harness
i mean outlaw deals its dmg through ST so you should prob work on that regardless
30-35k sounds low if you do 48k with 1 EB and SS build
gusty mirage
I’m running 2x SS, 2x EB, and 2x TtK right now and it feels good for ST and it’s doing solid aoe. I just play around with my essences and trinkets to help buff either aoe or ST depending on the week
He said he was doing 30-35 as outlaw ST
amber tiger
what are the bis trinkets for mythic+?
faint harness
yes and 30-35k outlaw ST sounds low
the spec should be doing more on ST, but i have no clue about gear or traits
gusty mirage
Yeah idk how to play outlaw, I spend all my combo points rerolling 💩
deep wedge
I'm ilvl 450 equipped on outlaw with 3 dead shot, one ane up your sleeve and one keep your wits
kinda the same as oxi, i spend most of my point rerolling for buffs
faint harness
Welp
That doesnt sound good no
but a question for the outlaw channel
nonetheless
running LD helps a lot with rerolls
most 2x rolls are good enough to keep
gusty mirage
Try to get a TtK and NP or 2x TtK with at least 2x EB and 2x SS and your ST will be just fine as sin
deep wedge
yeah I know, at first I was wondering about sin aoe in m+ haha
i thought outlaw was just better in aoe compared to sin but it seems i was wrong
gusty mirage
But you won’t break the meters by any means
faint harness
sin aoe has giga potential but difficult reaching
getting tripple EB/SS on decent ilvl pieces
deep wedge
it seems that you're sacrifing a lot for sin aoe right ?
like if you go full aoe you'll be lacking st
gusty mirage
Haven’t had triple EB/SS since season 1 
faint harness
yes, thats the "main issue" with sin m+, you either go full aoe or full st
deep wedge
hmm I see
faint harness
the "inbetween" build is usually just worse than outlaw
but its doable if you absolutely hate outlaw
deep wedge
hence why outlaw is supposed to be the go to I believe ?
since your st traits are also great for aoe
gusty mirage
Outlaw is just better utility for m+ because of gouge and a ranged KS. Plus the cleave for explosives
deep wedge
what is KS sorry ?
gusty mirage
Kidney shot
deep wedge
ah yeah
rigid mango
How did you have eb in season 1 @gusty mirage 
gusty mirage
Just play what you enjoy most IMO. Sin is more than capable of being okay ST with solid AoE
rigid mango
And 6 traits
gusty mirage
It’s been so long I forgot 🥴
That we didn’t have 6 traits 😂
I miss the poisoned knife trait
arctic socket
gusty mirage
I think I meant to say season 2, it’s early forgive me
teal geyser
does some of u guys use plater and knows how to turn on the nameplate for the 40 corruption image ?
am i allowed to ask this here or is this off-topic?
strange python
didn't they disable nameplates for it so that you can't use target macros?
shut garnet
im pretty sure its coded like the explosive affix, meaning you cant macro shit to it
strange python
ah right
quasi scroll
3X EB when you pop BotE is good times
gusty mirage
Esp if the tank can kite the pull in a tight group @quasi scroll
quasi scroll
Just gotta make to tricks first
fresh flint
Hey guys, don't know if this applies as a sin question but i'm looking for a wa with an energy bar that has like marks on it when my mutilate could be used etc etc... Been browsing wagio for some time but no luck so far 😒
faint harness
why do you need one? curious
you either pool or spam it, why would ever want to know exactly when it can be used
quasi scroll
feels like it should exist? I think the druid one has marks for when you can Starsurge?
or maybe it just changes color...
faint harness
i feel like that makes more sense for a builder resource
energy is just there, fluid
gusty mirage
Hypothetically it shouldn’t be hard to make, I could try when I get home from work later
quasi scroll
Anyway might be worth asking here: https://discord.gg/hCVjCZ
fresh flint
It helps me remember :p don't have the luxury to pay attention to dps whilst RLing
faint harness
melee raidleading
gusty mirage
Oh don’t mut when you get to 55 energy, you’d want to pool a bit for your next TB window if pooling is necessary
arctic socket
Rogue RL instead of tank/healer 
faint harness
thats my point too oxi, why bother knowing when you can use mutilate if you're just pooling anyway
we dnot lose any dps by not spamming mutilate
hollow bridge
question, can you stack infinite stars, aka get a rank 3 infinite stars on 475 and then a rank 2 IS on 475? or just one copy only?
quasi scroll
Is IS really much use on anything other than like M+ bosses where they're the only mob in the room?
quasi scroll
well not just pure ST but there can't be anything else around
outer lotus
It's not good on m+ bosses cause they die too fast, even in high tyr
gusty mirage
Wouldn’t know my best corrupted piece is 9% inc in mastery from all sources
outer lotus
3 minute fight is like 5 stacks
quasi scroll
like I remember several fights on Ring of Booty where some azerite trait would attack the training dummy nearby
so if your IS is hitting a training dummy then not too useful
outer lotus
Yeah i definitely saw IS do that when playing the trash thats at the dummies
Should not happen when you arent in combat with the dummy though i Think
quasi scroll
this was on my warlock where you stand closer to the training dummy
outer lotus
Which you shouldnt be during boss fight
quasi scroll
well regardless, on almost every raid boss there's other stuff in the room that IS could randomly target
outer lotus
Yea
faint harness
it seems to be really good on wrathion mythic because of how long that fight is
quasi scroll
makes simming annoying because it always thinks IS is #1 on patchwerk
arctic socket
Just use EV 
outer lotus
I played double t3 IS on wrathion
quasi scroll
Wrathion is also the only mob for a good chunk of the fight
outer lotus
When it died i has 4 stacks
outer lotus
Yeah told my Paladin to HoF me on CD and give me beacon loo
quasi scroll
that is wild
faint harness
it had 4 stacks?
quasi scroll
how big was your eye circle?
faint harness
on mythic?
outer lotus
No hc
faint harness
ah
arctic socket
If someone is using 150 corruption on mythic
outer lotus
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/silvermoon/váughn#boss=2329 it's the fight where i only did 37k lol
arctic socket
That would be awful
fresh flint
Aaight, thx, also could someone give me the window to use CLF in opener?
Running Master sin talent
hollow bridge
wait so i can stack IS rank 3 475? what an amazing system rofl
storm perch
how will it work?
hollow bridge
well u have base 150 corruption
i imagine it just doubels the damage
proc rate stays the same,
outer lotus
Yea
near magnet
guys any tips on pooling energy ? How much energy do you pool before casting envenoms and toxic blade in general?
outer lotus
But IS is trash so...
quasi scroll
Did they take out the stacked damage graph from wowlogs?
I'm not seeing it anymore, not sure if I turned off some option or what
hollow bridge
so what, stack twilight devastation?
outer lotus
Echoing hoid
quasi scroll
if you're a prot paladin with TD
thin patio
DD
quasi scroll
thin patio
oopsie
arctic socket
@near magnet pool around 100-110 energy and around 3-4 Combo points... you want to fit in three envenoms during your TB window
I don’t believe there is really anything too just stack atm it’s really just use what ever sims best for you and stays under 39 corruption if you’re doing mythic content
near magnet
thanks a lot man , appreciated 🙂
potent raft
any idea how to bring vita trinket closer than this? I really want to stop using font
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vhAadEVeaoV4RSQcL5Xtw7
teal geyser
@shut garnet yep i dont meant macro... i know its possible to turn them on in the elv ui but i dont use them :/ i really like plater and thought somebody has figured out a solution ^^
white wyvern
@near magnet You do want to pool energy for TB, but not at the cost of holding it. Use TB on CD.
teal geyser
but thanks for the invite for the rogue ui ❤️ cheers
tropic ocean
besides that when u get rppm corruptions
haste will gain a lot of value as well
cloak r12? i think with mainstat proc will also devalue mainstat some more
potent raft
i already have IS 3, for the time being i cant fit anything else
faint harness
why do you want to stop using font tho
potent raft
cos i dont like the gameplay
potent raft
doing 4 sec channel 😄
tropic ocean
luckily my font is only 435 so haste one was better for me anyway, but yeah I can feel you I dislike font/coral gameplay too
tropic ocean
you can try gear compare with socketed haste trinket
faint harness
i simd the heroic version, was quite a big dps loss, but yea no socket in it
potent raft
socket is about three-fiddy dps
tropic ocean
also can craft socketed boots and legs so your stats might shift towards favoring haste
😄
oh and
potent raft
i already got engi & jc
tropic ocean
once u get azerite shoulders and chest
it will value haste more again
as theres no op on it
potent raft
yeah thats my hope
faint harness
i have 1 OP now and haste is still nowhere to be seen on weights
tropic ocean
well
faint harness
probably cus of EV not giving a shit about haste
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potent raft
yeah that's the other thing
i'm looking into swapping out IS, as it's situational at best
haste will drop in value
vast forum
situational as in shit on anything other than pure ST where it's just decent
potent raft
i have ev2 + haste proc
but i dont wanna cleanse my only 375 dagger 😄
IS is still good for the pure ST or pvp
minor thicket
hey guys how is heart of darkness doing in Sims?
white wyvern
Sim it.
minor thicket
I can equip it but I cant figure out at what cost is it worth choosing that over vandetta
potent raft
@warm parcel indeed, and we are going to progress on the dog next reset, hence i dont want to cleanse IS yet
IS is okay for wrathion if you are lucky
and very dangerous for Maut but yolo 😄
hollow stone
Sim it is the answer. But if you want a feelycraft answer, id prob say 1np then any others can be hod
real bay
hope vita-charged pulls ahead when many have it in group
cobalt pelican
font by itself is super playable it's the restrictive font coral stuff that makes it insufferable sometimes
warm parcel
Well gladly this tiers encounter design seems to battle against this font big dick stacking
Or maybe coral more so than font
cobalt pelican
ya i think i'm probably going to end up playing like
some not so hot sim trinkets in the end
warm parcel
Currently rocking wings and spyglass
cobalt pelican
like font+deadeyes or some shit for progress
cobalt pelican
mm yea
potent raft
yeah i think i might take the vita over font even though it sims less, just for ease of use and raid-benefit
faint harness
is wings good for us?
wrathion trinket
i would want to equip it simply cus its fun to glide around
hollow junco
wraithion trinket can get you into SO MUCH TROUBLE.
gusty mirage
its not terrible, but it's not great
hollow junco
unintended glides are basically character control loss if SS is on cooldown
gusty mirage
does cancelling the aura cause you to lose the haste buff too?
hollow junco
yes
gusty mirage
great game design 
hollow junco
you can also neural silencer it, but this wasn't working for me in an instance last night, it only seemed to work in the open world. also you can't use ToTT when you do that so good times.
gusty mirage
yeah, I remember the nightmare when the mechagon trinket was fresh and all the tanks were running that blue punch card
skittish weeks were esp fun during that time
outer lotus
"Rogue why dont you tricks me??"
tropic ocean
*rouge
outer lotus
My druid tank sometimes runs around on his stupid crab for no reason
Instead of travel form
Have to tell him every time that i cant tricks him lol
tropic ocean
imagine mounting up as druid lol
outer lotus
I mean if i had the crab i would probably also use it
tropic ocean
potent raft
TIL
strange python
can anyone here take a look on my shad'har log?
rigid mango
Yup
autumn girder
Is it better for me as Assa to buy the Uldum Accord contract or Rajani contract?
tropic ocean
uldum gives a very good essence at exalted
cobalt pelican
rajani gives like nothing
distant lava
reusable rune is bis 
strange python
Hi guys, i started raiding with my guild a few weeks ago and i wanna know if i can improve my rotation, clicking the wrong spell at the wrong time etc. Anyone got time to look at some logs and help a noob out?
distant lava
sure just send them here
strange python
Can find more logs for normal and older runs but dont know if that is is helpful or not
tropic ocean
don't refresh garrote too early
only real flaw I can see on shadgar kill e.g.
use toxic blade after vendetta
strange python
I thought i was refreshing at the 5 sec mark, isnt that the sweet spot?
tropic ocean
not before
strange python
Yeah that make sense, to get value of the extra combo point
cobalt pelican
make sure you're double garroting from your vanish if you're playing shrouded
tropic ocean
think it would've been smarter to used the envenom after toxic blade
cobalt pelican
don't clip your buffed garrotes with new ones let them expire fully
tropic ocean
just minor flaws, rest will come with gear
strange python
Yeah i usually garr-rupt-garrot
cobalt pelican
you used vendetta completely seperately from your 2nd vanish
which is a nogo
on a fight like this there's no reason to use any of them till 2nd clf and then have buffed garrotes inside vendetta with clf up
at least for shrouded
strange python
So at the 2 min mark i should vendetta-vanish-garrot-rupture-garrot?
cobalt pelican
i guess doing it this way you technically got a 3rd vend
but it's like.. not great
at around 2:20 or w henever your vanish is up vanish garrote garrote (or single garrote if it'll get it to max pandemic) then vendetta
the first vanish at around 0:26 always has to have 2 garrotes in it
cause your initial buffed garrotes fall completely
so 2 gets the next buffed ones back to mx duration
minor things are like using your pot seemingly randomly which isn't an awful thing but it's a hasted proc so using with your clf or something can be good
fading wigeon
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potent raft
can someone double check my thoughts..
talking about font+coral
if you open with font ~5-6s before pull and proceed normally
you get 30 secs of font (20 in vendetta) at start
But
come second rotation, you font at 1:55, then hold vendetta til 2:15 so you align it with coral (correct?) and get 10 sec. of both trinkets and vendetta, and full 20sec of coral+vendetta
My thoughts - is it worth fonting earlier at pull so that you dont have to hold vendetta come the second cd rotation?
strange python
you vendetta when coral has 6 sec left on cd second time
cobalt pelican
default fight timings are just, font on cd vend when tb comes up
strange python
Whats tb?
potent raft
and disregard coral cd?
cobalt pelican
if you've scuffed your tbs somewhere along the way it might be closer to lining up with coral but if you're playin optimally it won't
the DEFAULT timings are like, 1:55 font, 2:11 tb comes up so you fire vend -> tb, coral when it's up at 2:16 or so
the 2:11 tb falls further and further back the more time you waste not pressing it obviously
random furnace
@strange python Toxic Blade.
strange python
ah, make sense
potent raft
alright, thanks for the info. will try it out
random furnace
We need an acronym pin.... or somewhere.
cobalt pelican
doing it this way you end up with the majority of your vendetta inside font (18~ seconds) and 13~ seconds of both
if you tighten it up a bit you get 14 seconds of both inside vendetta, a little font outside at the front a little coral outside at the back
strange python
nameless fairy can you take a look at my shad'har log?
fair delta
new to assassination:
- when trying to AoE, do you:
- 2 - rupture/garrote both targets, normal single target
- 3, or more - fan of knifes but still apply rupture/garrote, normal single target
- 4 or more - just fan of knifes, normal single target
could be WAY off...
rigid mango
I would look at your logs but wcl on phone sucks ass (:)
white wyvern
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white wyvern
@random furnace
random furnace
@white wyvern
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strange python
can u look at it tonight zine?
white wyvern
Someone tell on the RH website. It is being bad.
Or the bot linker. Someone is being bad.
rigid mango
Sure can, I'll look at them in an hour~ish.
strange python
Thank you 😄
rigid mango
@vestal wren more commands aint working
cobalt pelican
tbh your play isn't like bad at all, there's some minor things but a lot of the reason your dps sucks is cause your group does the 3rd phase random fire lust shit on heroic when you have no cds up
general stuff i can see at a glance is like
drop the worldvein shit, even on shadhar your 4stack uptime is awful and you're losing a lot of dam
if you see lust and you've not 2nd potted just p ress it if you're using unbridled don't worry about lining it up with shit
in this fight you used it at like 4:04 when lust is ending, lost like 10 seconds of the pot and the majority of it not inside lust
cobalt pelican
your rupture drops like
rigid mango
Pot is better with lust than cd's
cobalt pelican
2x towards the back end of the fight
not really sure why
like you have a couple 4-5 second gaps with no rupture
jolly fable
Hey guys, if I’m running triple double dose, at how many targets does it become a dps gain to fok?
civic palm
Checking Netflix for the next episode of Queer Eye, rupture drops 😐
cobalt pelican
garrote is off the boss for like 10 seconds just before it dies
which isn't super significant but isn't great, i guess you thought it'd die a bit quicker or something
the big gap on tb before 2nd vend is kinda a no go but you already know that
besides that there's not much else tbh
strange python
I guess I should take CLF instead of worldvein then?
minor thicket
I use CLF since most of my guild doesn't run wolrd
cobalt pelican
i'd just drop worldvein from your sim or lower the # count to like 2 or something
but like something like this
random furnace
I use Worldvein, but the other 2 rogues in the group are as well.
cobalt pelican
is nowhere near what sim expects value wise
strange python
I asked before raid who ran it and I got like 5 people saying they ran it
so I thought it would be worth
guess they weren't :/
cobalt pelican
the garrote is kinda understandable
if the boss was at like <5% and you have a bad estimate of time to kill
it's kinda ok to wing it and just pump envenoms
the ruptures are earlier on and kinda just weird rotational errors it seems
strange python
were they under tb?
bc I might've thought I could fit another envenom
to sum it up. my mistakes were that I missed one TB, somehow missed ruptures and didn't pot during BL?
cobalt pelican
yeah, more or less
and yeah looking at it both of the rupture falls are like
at the v end of tb windows
strange python
ye I try to min max rly hard bc we usually lack damage a lot
cobalt pelican
just be less greedy with it, if you don't know you'll get the envenom safely it's just not a gain
minor thicket
what do you mean get an envenom safely?
sorry ive been following as I had a similar issue
strange python
get envenom without losing rupture uptime
cobalt pelican
yeah, fit a final envenom into tb with enough room to not have rupture downtime or at least minimize it to like <1s
minor thicket
so I f I have to slightly delay an envenom to make sure I don't lose a rupture than do it
buoyant raptor
Is there any place to test your ilvl dps against others?
Pls don’t bash my head in
hollow junco
i feel like it's hard to make a meaningful comparison in a world with corruption affixes
my 460 bracers might be worth 4kdps more than yours, for example
same ilvl
buoyant raptor
That’s true, I just think at 448 I should be doing more damage but then again I could be over thinking it
civic palm
azerite traits and sockets also ruin direct ITEM_LEVEL comparisons.
strange python
do you have font/coral?
buoyant raptor
Yes socketed with 50+ haste
strange python
just post your sim here and people can help you
cobalt pelican
somehow every patch ilvl becomes less relevant
i didn't think it'd get worse after benthic but people are wearing world quest gear now
so
civic palm
Eh you want it to do that as well so long the looting restrictions are in place, just not SO DRAMATICALLY.
buoyant raptor
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kVWT5EZxR6sii6je73sdha @strange python
cobalt pelican
yeah like, your gear just isn't very good overall
the coral is good
the vision of demise is like.. very bad
azerite isn't too hot, triple ttk isn't exactly what people are aiming for
there's like two types of 450 ilvl player like the ones who raided all last tier and have socketed everything with all the best azerite and then there's the 'just starting raiding this patch' player who have just a mishmash of things t hey find
buoyant raptor
Demise is my demise...haven’t been able to replace it
buoyant raptor
I’ll have 2 after my 9-5 today and okay cool so basically just better essences and replace the trinket?
cobalt pelican
yeah, you have upgrade paths in most slots tbh besides the coral
essences are big, azerite is big, sockets on gear is big, corruption is like huge
fading wigeon
on single target try to go DD x 3
buoyant raptor
Corruption is also so...exhausting
cobalt pelican
if you're only raiding normal right now or something similar just aim for like either the vex/carapace chest, nzoth shoulders and potentially consider taking up engineering
buoyant raptor
okay, I’m mainly looking for ST, could careless AoE right now
fading wigeon
work on BOTE and CLF if possible for single target
cobalt pelican
you could aim to replace vision of demise with either the raden vita trinket or even wrathion trinket honestly
(or deadeyes/other m+ trinket)
fading wigeon
you can replace visions with anything else lol
buoyant raptor
Gotcha, yeah I’ve done all normal going into heroic first boss tonight
cobalt pelican
beyond that it's just going to be a ton of m+ farming as and when you can, even if it's around the same ilvl drops as the pieces you have a socket is like +300, a good corruption is like +5k
buoyant raptor
Alrighty, thanks for all the help!!!
halcyon zealot
wonder if its worth to drop JC for engi helm for assass, keeping LW for sure
civic palm
ye
civic palm
Jar is at least easy enough to do a run and SEE for yourself 
tribal marlin
well indeed but I have trouble valuing font
passiv trinket are easy to value, but active one :/
civic palm
Font sure Jar should be very easy to see the value.
fresh flint
Is the Font easily replaceable for patchwerk? assuming its 430 /w socket? adding a socket to a vita charged trinket is still a dps loss to the font apparently
460 vita charged trinket*
honest vessel
font is kinda really good, even at 430, and the st trinkets are p meh at best
you might have font a long time
along with coral
fresh flint
Fair enough ty
ruby remnant
Just got echoing void on boots and on raidbot i see that u spam detection why and should i put it into a maccro or something ?
snow storm
you can cast detection while pooling or low on energy to get more EV procs
you can macro it on skills so that it casts it when you're too low on energy but i think that will just get in the way
ruby remnant
hm okay so is it worth it to pool more and spam detection or just pool as usual ?
snow storm
pooling makes you more aware of it i guess so it's easier to fit in there, you can just pool as usual though
just use it as a gcd when you aren't casting any other
ruby remnant
Yeah okay thanks a lot
willow oracle
Wait, I'm sorry to jump in - why are we casting detection? I'm new, but I don't think I even have that on my bars.
white wyvern
It does nothing, but it can prov EV.
marble tartan
Echoing void triggers with spells
white wyvern
Buy it from Legion Class Hall.
hollow stone
Gushing wounds is bis dps per corruption. Yes they stack
willow oracle
Oh! Okay, good to know.
marble tartan
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fHDcCyzdz1TDHXTH8QXP7U this result is kinda underwhelming
Literally no good corruption apart from the weapon
hollow stone
Maybe im seeing it wrong cause im on mobile but it looked like ~1500 dps for 15 corr
Seems pretty good
marble tartan
Yeah its quite good but overall I feel unlucky this patch, lets hope that my M+ and my pvp chest will give me good corr
urban bough
hey so i've got some new questions 😄 last time someone told me to play with CT as last talent but now i saw in the leaderboards that they play with Poisen bomb could you tell me why? https://raider.io/characters/eu/twisting-nether/Seliathan#season=season-bfa-4 this guy is playing with it and he playing rly good with it so why do they play with Poisen Bomb?
idle ember
Maut - Cloaking MA opener, using leeching poison. I have a shield trait or two. Anything else you can do for shield? I'm spending half of it with full energy almost auto attacking. There's a lot of strat to clean up and healing with only a couple pulls before raid end But I'm wondering if there's something else I can do.
strange python
I found elusiveness more effective than leeching poison
white wyvern
@urban bough Quick reference.
PB: KR, SoB, and Tyr ToS.
CT: The rest.
strange python
if your healers aren't putting down big DR cds you could just delay your burst until right after the shield phase
urban bough
whats Tyr i have never seen this shortcut
white wyvern
Tyrannical
urban bough
ah ty
marble hemlock
I mostly play PB right now because pulls are small due to people figuring out the new affix first
PB vs CT is mostly a matter of mob density. If pulls are big and you want sustained AoE, CT is the better choice.
urban bough
wow holy that is the guys https://raider.io/characters/eu/twisting-nether/Seliathan#season=season-bfa-4
hes talking to me im happy
hollow stone
Leeching poison DOES NOT WORK during maut’s shield
Use elusiveness if youre concerned
strange python
check his stream out @urban bough he answers pretty much any question in chat whenever he's not busy
urban bough
yea i just know him uhh maybe since 1 week (im sorry for this) i will check his stream in the future
arctic walrus
@marble hemlock pog it’s “the guy”
marble hemlock
❤️
hollow stone
Wonder how much seli paid to have this free advertising 
Is that the REAL seliathan??
😎
arctic walrus
Good people are active in their class discord??
marble hemlock
I pay with the pain of having to deal with people questioning my spec-choice for over a year now.
arctic walrus
This is why you need to troll people and run something unconventional
marble hemlock
I used to log out with tiny electromental every night for like 3weeks.
arctic walrus
Then say how It’s a no brainier it’s why it’s good
arctic walrus
You need like an outlaw azerite and ripple major
marble hemlock
Youll see more Assa this season, i promise
hollow stone
Yea, i think so too
marble hemlock
i just want raid azerite
to try 3ss 3hod
we finally wont be dead-weight anymore on bosses ❤️
stiff holly
Is ancient bulwark as strong as sims indicate, despite moving around alot in scenarios such as M+?
strange python
isn't that the trait that only exists on like sub 400 ilvl pieces?
marble hemlock
its on warfront azerite
so technically you can get a high ilvl one via the heroic warfront chest i think
stiff holly
Yeah got a 460 one from the HC wf
hollow stone
Very likely a sim trap as im sure the sim sims as if you have 100% uptime which is definitely not true in a real world scenario
Is it usable? Probably. Is it something to aim for? No
stiff holly
Yeah though simmed with both light and heavy movement sims still claim its big
Like a 1k increase
From a 435
hollow stone
Yea. I mean, depends on your other option
stiff holly
shrouded suff
hollow stone
Whats the other trait option
vast forum
light movement isn't actually constant movement tho
light movement is (if i remember correctly) once every minute you run out 40 yards and run back in
rest of the time you're still standing still in light movement sim
placid kindle
did someone sim lately? my sim went up for like almost 2k over night
drifting cloud
Do you have ev? Probably because of detection
dense axle
is EV > IS now for single target? or did you just get EV and no IS kenny?
placid kindle
i just got t3 EV and t1 increase amount of crit
but like last night i simmed and it was like around 67.6 or something, did this sim just now and got surprised
red marsh
!help
tropic ocean
good thing is ev is not much behind on pure st compared to gw and is either and
halcyon zealot
damn engi helm looks good, regret investing in JC
tropic ocean
better in majority of fights
wanton pond
How's the alchemist stone for assa
Been running 475 spyglass and 465 dice
Worth making the stone to replace dice ?
hollow stone
Engi helm is the most likely to be replaced “probably” due to corruptions. But not by much
Crafted gear cant corrupt so its a toss up
Engi lets you roll other slots early w tr tho
marble tartan
Couldd someone be so kind and check this Ilgynoth fight: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7zp4cMQ1r82XHmBd#fight=last&type=damage-done I mean the coral/font usage was a bit off cause I fatfingered but what about the rest?
river zinc
would you guys spend 850k on a 475 ring with Haste low crit and socket - no corruption?
river zinc
so I have the 455 version..im a few shards short of next rank..is the next rank 475?
river zinc
ty sorry for the dumb questions.
marble tartan
there are no dumb questions just dumb answers 🙂
tropic ocean
Wouldnt spend anything on sockets unless pushing hof
U‘ll socket ur items for free later by mementos
long hill
Does detection proc EV?
river zinc
mementos are so long though honestly
tropic ocean
@long hill yes
when nothing to press or pooling press detection
Or during movement
long hill
but i dont have EV
hollow junco
what's it like having good corruptions?
long hill
Only rank 3 mind flay
hollow junco
me and my 50 dungeons completed since the patch wouldn't know
tropic ocean
@hollow junco it makes you do more dmg so its not as obvious to play bad
hollow junco
then again, those are rookie numbers. i've got to pump those numbers up.
white wyvern
hollow stone
First week of new season/mythic almost done and im not full bis. Unsubscribe
rigid mango
Good I stay subbed
minor thicket
Is there anything I need to do with infinite stars? I have it rank 3. It just procs by itself correct?
rigid mango
dense axle
you just sit back and watch yourself top the meters above all those plebs that didnt roll it
oh, my b I forgot. You have to bitch about EV being too good too. It makes IS proc more
rigid mango
What?
hollow stone
He’s right. Seened it firsthand. If you have IS, and complain about not having EV, your IS procs more
valid sphinx
Tfw I have two 60 corruption EV pieces but that’s too much corruption to play both 🥺
drifting cloud
oh no
vapid delta
dense blaze
After TB
dark crag
vend tb bote vanish env mut env
hollow stone
Still dont have bote to play around w as my rogue rode the bench last tier. Why do you bote then instead of before vend/tb? Is it duration based?