how high should i set it ?
#assassination
strange python
set to max and blame healers
quasi pewter
39 is good
red plaza
My guild is capping mythic raiders at 39
royal lantern
Thing from beyond can REALLY fuck you and force a wipe
drifting cloud
I almost died from a wq rare at 68
crystal notch
@strange python 
drifting cloud
slow from shadow and 3 eyes 
harsh sphinx
drifting cloud
so its like 50:50 who dies first?
crystal notch
rly? how was it goin?
grizzled mist
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
crystal notch
corruption makes things even worse
outer lotus
i tried arena with 2x r3 infinite stars
did like 3 games but it didnt work at all
i just died too fast
latent field
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
errant viper
Is there a Guide on how to Sim / how to understand what you're getting from Sims?
Looking to try and find what my optimum rotation / opener is.
strange python
if you look on youtube there's some vids about how to sim yourself
and if you look at the top in the topic there's a guide linked with rotation etc
errant viper
I tried looking into the Guide, but it doesn't include when to use essences, that's what confuses me. I've tried using memory of lucid dreams on my opener to maximize my burst but I end up over-capping in energy.
strange python
3rd post in the pins here cover some essences
errant viper
Also one Guide (https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-battle-for-azeroth-raid-dps/) mentions Condensed Life Force as being the best essence for slightly higher overall damage, but the other guide (https://www.wowhead.com/guides/assassination-rogue-azerite-essences) has sims which show otherwise.
errant viper
I've got SimC and Raidbots, I can export from SimC into raidbots and check which item is best or which talent is best
Not sure where on raidbots I can check which azerite trait is best. Advanced sim?
strange python
in top gear
at the very top you have azerite and close to the bottom you have essences
faint canopy
You guys think is worth gearing up for assassin for this raid? i feel like most encounters are add-filled and outlaw would end up being better even for st
Isn't kind of the same? i get most of outlaw dmg would be padding but adds gotta die anyway
drifting cloud
well assa is the better spec
hollow stone
They are both equally viable for m+ and raiding from a dps perspective. Do whatever
Just be good at it
Maybe not quite equal. But close enough that if played well it’s irrelevant
near pilot
rlly about 50/50 on the fights, id gear 2 sets
hollow stone
Agreed
honest needle
for sin m+ and on aoe fights is it ok to use 1 ss and 3eb or should i do 2-3 ss i dont have any pieces with eb and ss so im trying to find my best option
right now i have i can do 1 ss 3eb with 3 scent of blood
is that good ?
or is it better to run more ss
crystal notch
I disagree
rigid mango
Cool.
honest needle
also for aoe raid fights and m+ how should i sim
Im trying to find my best sin m+ gear and for raid for aoe fights
so i dont have to keep switching to outlaw
crystal notch
3x EB, 1x SS, 2x TtK was always best option for me. It fits my playstyle the best. I have done several tests and I was like 5k DPS overall higher
it is on sense to sim aoe
non-sense
harsh anchor
drifting cloud
good for you, guess well just have to take the word of people with timed 25s over that tho
vast forum
3xSS
rigid mango
3SS > 3EB
vast forum
there's NOTHING ttk provides that SS doesn't
rigid mango
TTK is just a wetnoodle rn really
There's no reason to play it over SS
SS does more overall than any other trait
It does better boss damage
Does better cleave
vast forum
even better prio
harsh anchor
Does this include raid scenarios too or does that vary more depending on the fight
vast forum
you don't play subterfuge in raids
honest needle
so if i dont have any ss eb gear its better to run 3ss and atleast 1 eb right
rigid mango
But you're entitled to your opinion of the spec, it's very feelcrafty in general but saying 1 SS is optimal is kinda deluded at this point.
vast forum
so you don't want SS
honest needle
^^
honest needle
ok and besides eb and ss is scent of blood good ?
thats all i got
or what else is decent
drifting cloud
well ilvl of azerite is also a factor
vast forum
because you can do bigger pulls now that emissaries aren't here and you can stack ruptures more
honest needle
all my gear is 445 or 430
vast forum
obviously ilvl is a factor but we're assuming equal ilvl pieces here
honest needle
but always 445 over 430 no matter what right ?
drifting cloud
yeah but its kinda hard to have that since only ss/eb pieces are from vendor
vast forum
you've had the entire season to get them 
drifting cloud
I know, but for example I have 475 ss/raid trait
id use that over 445 ss/eb probably
crystal notch
If there is 15 ilv difference I keep the one with better traits, dunno how but I have higher dps
vast forum
obviously you're not gonna run 3xSS 3x EB on 385 gear if you have ttk/scent/BBI on 445
honest needle
ya i dont have any eb and ss unfortunately
honest needle
Im trying to find out what to use so i can finally delete some gear, Once my aoe sin set is done i can start deleting shit https://gyazo.com/aa16def70f9e02b40e51adddd9410f84
i have way 2 much
i have even more 430 stuff
way 2 much gear i have and i need to get rid of some i just cant figure out what to get rid of due to i cant sim everything it doesnt lett me and only doing a few at a time isnt accurate
from the looks of the first link i sent u guys would u be able to tell me which 3 peices to use for m+
would soem 1 be able to circle the ones to use for me
eager river
halcyon zealot
Best minors for M+ w/ bote major? dont know if strife and vop are worth at r2
drifting cloud
strife definetly isnt
breath and pp then I guess?
hard to say, not some insane differences
halcyon zealot
yeah rn i have iris lucid breath minors, should probably put VoP inplace of iris
and im pretty sure dungeon slice sims for assass are wrong
drifting cloud
yeah its far from ideal
youre usually better off just asking in here but since we got alot of new stuff might take few weeks to see if alot of stuff has changed
breath at r3 might even be played as major from what I heard morningwind say, he even likes it at r1
halcyon zealot
wonder if 445 Torment in a jar is better than a 455 resonating heart w/ coral in M+, seems like it would be
honest needle
is there any 1 here who can look at my azerite if i link you and show me and give me my best option to use in mythic plus
i can pm u my gear if you can help me
unkempt solstice
can assassination do comparitable aoe dps with echoing blades/twist the knife to outlaw rogue?
quasi pewter
3ss3eb can beat outlaw on aoe/overall dps in m+
rigid mango
Does more if it's "uncapped"
unkempt solstice
so raid trash
rigid mango
But outlaw can beat you if they never get "punished" for having a stack mechanic
tropic ocean
Play more 🙂
unkempt solstice
I just got this guy to 120 last weekend, I couldn't get into a raid or m+'s cause noone would take him
I'm lucky i got the 6's done
tropic ocean
Doing all m+0 is a good start as well
And playing your own key
Atm everyone is grinding 5s 6s for corruption most ppl dont care carrying low geared ppl due to high key demand
unkempt solstice
donno, I had no luck, I wanted to spam tol dagor this week, and it just kinda sucked.
really wanted to get in raid 🙂
drifting cloud
its just not gonna happen overnight
unkempt solstice
drifting cloud
but with few more ilvls you shouldhave no problem getting into normal
unkempt solstice
that's better, still no weapons or trinkets 🙂
drifting cloud
then it just depends if its even worth it to do normal or just m+ instead
unkempt solstice
anything i can improve there?
unkempt solstice
working on it, need revered I think
unkempt solstice
I have rank 2 of lucid
drowsy snow
The difference between 2 and 3 is pretty low
strange python
Anyone having issuse where muti doesn't generate combo points? It's rare but happens to me at least few times in raids
rigid mango
It's called parry
tropic ocean
Attack boss from behind
strange python
Thanks I am not a dumb shit 
unkempt solstice
I can't sim all the essences, raidbots doesn't allow me enough itinerations.
tropic ocean
@strange python ok but thats the answer to your question
drifting cloud
technically it doesnt generate combo points if youre on max combo points
maybe you have bad WAs
or something
happened before
strange python
Maybe it's my wa right
rigid mango
It's literally just parry, probably.
It happens more frequently than you think
And it's equally annoying every time
rigid mango
it felt like they stealth buffed it during what was ashvane prog iirc(?)
unkempt solstice
optimally, what essenses should we be using?
rigid mango
For what content?
unkempt solstice
raid and m+
rigid mango
bote clf wv iris lucid strife pp breath for raid, bote lucid vop strife breath for m+
unkempt solstice
bote major for both? hope next week is honor week 😦
think it's gonna be mythic week, though?
raidbots is saying that's my best setup
drifting cloud
well ofc, because he told you at max ranks
like I said its just a process, as long as you are simming and making good use of your time
youll get there
unkempt solstice
be a week, i think, before i get to what I need for rank 3, require the 4800 battlefield training thing.
drifting cloud
but I assume this week alot of normal groups just put 440-445 req
and if you dont have that you dont even see those groups in lfg
yeah and after that week you never have to worry about it again
woven pine
Well if you get all the weekly things you can get like 2000 Xp + the 300 per day on the Nazjatar ally achievement
Really doesn’t take that long
unkempt solstice
just bought the ominous tomb, think that's 450 more
short arch
Just grinded for bote for like three days, was actually quite enjoyable in a three stack. Though now that it's over fuck BGs lol
low junco
noble mesa
yea I just found out the hard way that I have to use it to apply it at the start
I understand it now
versed mica
My guildie had an interesting question:
He plays subterfuge with 1 SS (sims higher). ravenholt site says that after opener, use vanish to reapply powered up garrote when your original one from your opener falls off. He thinks it would be better to wait to use vanish for the next time vendetta comes off cd so they are in sync. Which way is better?
drifting cloud
lol you get them in sync to delay the 2nd vendetta
instead of delaying a 2 min cd for basically 2min
versed mica
Wait, you delay the 2nd vendetta??
versed mica
True
faint vale
Delaying ond cd for 20s vs delaying a cd for 100s 
glad delta
So is blizzard not gonna do a balance patch?
civic palm
They've plenty of time... > _>
frosty talon
You guys using 2nd Vendetta after you poping coral Stacks right?
glad delta
ay dude just get a corruption for 30% of your damage dont worry about rotation 😎
civic palm
:|
2nd Vendetta is used along with everything else in your rotation.
Changes are made when there are mechanics that disallow you from getting your entire Vendetta.
half tartan
Heya I'm curious if someone can help me with corruption values, is the 40-59 corruption difficult? I can get either 48 or 58 or not wear 1 piece and sit at 33
shrewd night
39 is optimal for prog
civic palm
You can wear w/e you feel comfortable wearing, 39 is the sweet spot atm.
There's a LOT of misc. little damage that will proc the slow in the raids.
shrewd night
Besides, its not really up to the amount of corruption, but dependant on which corruptions you have
civic palm
IIRC if you've the level 7 cloak and use a corruption essence you will be @ like... 38? corruption after resistances.
half tartan
48
civic palm
With 1 +75 corruption piece.
drifting cloud
yeah EV isnt a 75 piece
civic palm
85?
civic palm
Uhhuh.
half tartan
im wondering if I should just not wear the 25, it's 3k dps
shrewd night
Is that including the additional level of cape youll get this week?
civic palm
If it kills you, probably not.
half tartan
kk ty
drifting cloud
EV is just too strong
civic palm
for now
half tartan
that's what im sayin
drifting cloud
also cloak8 doesnt get extra corr
civic palm
O_O
glad delta
imagine playing a melee dps that isnt dk warrior or dh
esp dh
i guess weve hada enough patches being op 
glad delta
i had to pvp on an alt to get conflict and strife so im just babyraging about dh and fire mage 
drifting cloud
dk 
civic palm
mmm, that makes sense.
glad delta
unholy too and destro
civic palm
Wanna just keep going?
glad delta
at like mongoloid rank you just get one shot faster than they one shot you 
im not tryna play wow pvp more than i have to because its boring snooze fest playing normally
civic palm
Fact
cursive sun
how does assa compare to outlaw in m+ =)?
frosty talon
Assa is strong but if you going for high Keys Outlaw is better
If you doing your weekly and Light push Keys youll find assa very Solid for it
cursive sun
what traits are most important for assa ? 🙂
frosty talon
If its possible get 3x double Dose and atleast one Vendetta trait for ST
drifting cloud
I mean hes asking for m+
cursive sun
alright cheers guys. thanks for the help!
honest needle
how to kill maut when he does reflect dmg ?
any tricks for us ?
to stop it ?
or do we just not dps ?
whole onyx
healers heal
eternal salmon
hi guys. what triats you would use for m+ and for raid? is it usable at all? thx https://www.wowhead.com/spell=305941/superior-gearspun-goggles
potent raft
iirc always use Relational Normalization Gizmo on the 2nd largest ring.
DD for raids obvs., TTK i guess for m+
spark sky
barrage of bombs graphics are awesome, damage maybe not so much but the graphics are awesome
cobalt flint
@honest needle cloak works
eternal salmon
thx guys. the last one (def ring) doesnt really matter, right?
shut garnet
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
frigid briar
You can cloak mauts reflect damage when you use vanish envenom mut envenom with all your cds up or ask for an external cd
woven pine
Yeah that’s what I’ve been doing too, stops that cheat death panic attack
real bay
sync some raid cd with dps popping cds , stupid to burst at different times unless cds don't match
quartz rune
So what are the best bets for residuum gamble this tier? Im thinking about just buying specific cephalohide. Got hc nzoth shoulders and Engineering Helm
strange python
can anyone take a look at my xanesh log?
warm parcel
shoot
real bay
@quartz rune droptimizer, you can check what slot has a chance of giving the highest upgrades
warm parcel
You font as soon as its off, but then wait until corals back until you ven
strange python
ye I think I waited for worldvein resonance
warm parcel
Fair
strange python
but they shouldn't be mismatched either way
warm parcel
Did you do balls?
strange python
no
warm parcel
Yeah, well
Seems you already know you missed the tbs you did 😄
Other than that you might wanna keep an eye out on the tb window more in general
Like as assa you dont have to be at 0 energy every global
So when tbs coming up, youd naturally hover above 100
but tbh looks like youre doing that too
strange python
I'm holding tb like 5 sec extra for it to line up with worldvein
warm parcel
Im more so talking bout this
Which you are doing by the looks of it
Not going into tb at 0 energy
So I guess just get good corruption and youre good to go
strange python
ty 😄
warm parcel
If one could nitpick, torrents are a bit sloppy
Like I know you dont need to cast it during lust
But you only cast it 3 times in 7:33 fight
And I feel those poisoned knife casts werent necessary
You might have capped during your first one
deep crest
people mentioned that 430 font should be on par with 460 dragonscale, but it's still simming 1k less compared to my hc font (no socket), wat do 
deep crest
delet EP trinkets
warm parcel
tbh ep trinkets are just too good for how assa works
¯_(ツ)_/¯
It isnt untill you have 200 corr when "haste" takes over
and makes dragonscale and vita not suck
golden heath
what was "tbh" and "font" again ? 🙂
warm parcel
Font is the trinkets name, font
tbh is a normal internet short
stands for to be honest
golden heath
oh ok, thx mate. should visit this chat more often.
anyway 🙂
i play a german client. thats the problem ^^
You mean the Azharas Font big Main stat yolo thing right ?
strange python
@warm parcel wdym torrent?
warm parcel
racial
real bay
is furry good, still not in bloodnmallet
strange python
it's 2 min cd
warm parcel
Is it 2 now? 😄
strange python
y
strange python
but ye the poison knives are a bad habit sadly
strange python
fok does more damage then poisoned knife?
warm parcel
I doubt doing either or is going to matter in the grand scheme of things
We talking bout 200 damage over an entire fight
warm parcel
Thats my habit
quartz rune
@real bay yea just move literally into them
real bay
yea , just sometimes the black shit is right there
warm parcel
Any black under the tentacles themselves doesnt do anything
Just the one from psycho
Small tentacles just have some weird visual under them
quartz rune
First time we were on nzoth someone said the zones under tentacles drain sanity.. good thing i tried out myself
warm parcel
Na, they just spooky
quartz rune
Yea true. Would still feel better if they had proper hitboxes
Especially the one on the edge of the room they feel so bad
idle ember
Wish granted @patch notes.
rigid mango
Huh?
zenith hatch
Hitboxes are bigger now
idle ember
Slightly expanded the distance at which melee characters can attack Exposed Synapses on Normal and Heroic difficulties.
Sorry meant hotfixes.
crimson palm
Do you delay your TBs if you need to re-apply dots in the next ~7-8 seconds?
rigid mango
nah
crimson palm
But never let dots run-out because of TB right?
I have some weird overlaps sometimes where I try to squeeze in the 2nd Envenom and have to apply the dots
Doesn't happen that often, but happens
Dunno which is priority
rigid mango
You can reapply bleeds 2-3 sec outside of pandemic if it means you don't have to during TB
rigid mango
^
warm parcel
And then feel bad cause rupture drops 
quartz rune
Praying to crit Gods never works though not even in opener
crimson palm
with 25% crit it's not even worth wasting a prayer
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1z23bk8TMgaHG6JW#fight=32&type=damage-done&source=15 if someone could take a look
warm parcel
Dont hit boss from front
wv before tb
also your tbs suck cause you go into them dry
unlike the lad before
he always had around 100 energy going into them
your second pots useless
warm parcel
36 energy when you cast tb
no wonder you dont double envenom during it without crit gods
then at 2:40 youre wasting energy
all the time
you have random delays between your globals
when youre losing energy
rogue has flat 1s gcd
yours is 1.5-2.5
mental obsidian
simming gear compare mecha ring set doesn't work right? need to have 1 equipped already?
crimson palm
@warm parcel can the dot refreshes be displayed on that graph?
warm parcel
thats energy graph so no
crimson palm
I wanna see when I refreshed my dots compared to when I got tb windows available
found it
warm parcel
warm parcel
you wouldnt have to
if you just didnt go into tb dry
assa doesnt lose anything from mutilating at 120 energy instead of 50
if no ven etc are up
crimson palm
so the idea is just to get 2 envenoms up as soon possible and then continue normally?
crimson palm
I try to go in the tb window with 4 CPs and just practising my timings
warm parcel
just going into tb with
A. more energy
B. more cps
allows you to be more flexible
Say I go into tb at 4 cp 100 energy
I can tb env into mut mut rup mut env
Quite likely and easily
where as going into it with 35 energy and 0 cp
you barely get one env in
crimson palm
true
sometimes i get it right
but sometimes i panic about overcapping
and just overspend before the window
empty ravine
good tip i never realized how much i was actually wasting my tb
warm parcel
tb can be cast at 5cp
thats not an issues in terms of dps
just
A cast it on cd
B dont go in dry
green scroll
cast it on cd
felt like we should be padding it from your previous messages
crimson palm
how big of an impact does it have on overall dps though?
warm parcel
Thats the problem
With assa it feels like any minor optimisations like this are irrelevant in terms of real dps
Cant really answer numerically
crimson palm
I think I was simming around 53k at the time
So I was hoping to be around that number instead of 3k lower
warm parcel
That 3k is easily within variance tho
Sims are 50000 pulls
Compared to your one
And yours is shorter
And team comp affects it
etc etc
empty ravine
id still like to know what essence combo ppl are using :p
potent raft
sim yourself
crimson palm
whatever sims highest
warm parcel
What sims highest is what people use
empty ravine
ugg
potent raft
WV/CLF/Lucid/BotE -> lucid/c&s/iris/botd
empty ravine
well i guess i should ask, should i be usinmg one of the newer essences?
warm parcel
Thats also answered by the robot
crimson palm
if you've a lot of corruption i think yes
warm parcel
Or yea if you really need the 10 corr reduction
empty ravine
and ya for raiding should i be worried about having corrupted gear on?
warm parcel
Does it kill you?
crimson palm
There're some mechanics where it can suck
empty ravine
nah not the circle thing
crimson palm
I.e. on n'zoth deathwing phase if you get slowed
crimson palm
For progression 39 is suggested
empty ravine
got it thx
potent raft
39 or lower*
quasi scroll
For things like Mindflay, does the damage scale with the +corruption?
(of the item)
I noticed someone had a mindflay that did 14000 dmg but the item I got with it does like 8300
white wyvern
There are three ranks of corruption. Each making the corrupted effect stronger, but also raising the amount of corruption on the item.
quasi scroll
ah ok thanks
I just got pants with mindflay that replaced ones with Twilight Devastation and the mindflay seems to do better even in M+ big packs
quasi scroll
that's what I assumed
Not perfect comparison but
I guess I'm more surprised the dmg from twilight is that low
white wyvern
It is a lot more than Twilight > Mind Flay. Gunna depend on what rank each one is, what size pulls you are doing, and rng.
Mind Flay gets a ton of value on bosses, but Twilight doesn't.
Two dungeon runs is not a good sample size.
quasi scroll
across a bunch of runs... maybe tank just needs to pull bigger
sullen pagoda
are you also positioning properly for twilight
quasi scroll
is it just a frontal cone? or that weird curve it draws on the floor?
quasi scroll
Is there a way to sim an item you don't have yet?
on topgear
Like if I want to see if the Alchemy trinket is worth it
sullen pagoda
yes add a string for it
stiff fern
Yeah could add manually
sullen pagoda
you can get the string from wowhead
quasi scroll
oh you mean just edit the simc blob?
stiff fern
Yep
warm egret
For razor coral, use crit stack on burst phase or use crit stat on sustainment
storm lodge
@quasi scroll you can also create a gearset for comparison
crimson palm
@warm egret you use it on pull and then activate it before vendetta
white wyvern
Random from spookie mobs.
I spent like 10 minutes farming a lesser and got all the patterns.
storm lodge
its from the assault zones...i got lw and engg from the kthir and cultist mobs
quasi scroll
Do you just use Patchwerk to sim all the Nyalotha bosses?
crimson palm
If you tunnel vision the bosses, sure
quasi scroll
I mean I don't, but when is it actually suitable to use patchwerk?
is there any fight that's really like that?
harsh anchor
Shadhar prob
quasi scroll
Also wondering how you reconcile discrepancies between e.g. bloodmallet & simbot
I got a 445 Cannonball, comparing to the Alchemist 440
crimson palm
Shad'har, Ronaldinho, Wrathion
quasi scroll
ok hah
crimson palm
i still don't understand at what point worldvein starts simming better than clf
harsh anchor
I wouldnt think wrathion would be considered patchwerk with the downtime phases
Other than your bleeds/poisons, your dmg uptime would lower
crimson palm
SimmedDPS - downtime % = actualDPS
quasi scroll
So for the bosses other than what you mentioned do you use Hectic for boss sim?
crimson palm
You focus on boss dmg dps
It depends on what your role is
On vexiona, I'm pumping boss dmg so I don't care about add cleave
harsh anchor
wish my guild would let me pump boss 😦
distant lava
no one ever said that
hollow stone
People sim patchwerk because it is accurate for what it is. But obviously every boss is not patchwerk. We’ve said it a thousand times before and will say it another thousand times: “sims are not EVERYTHING, you need to use your brain too”
crimson palm
Any reason the sim is doing Vanish -> Mutilate Envenom Mutilate
Instead of 2x Envenoms 1x Mutilate?
hollow stone
Like, most fights arent exactly 5 mins either
arctic walrus
quasi scroll
Like my instinct whenever there's any adds nearby is to FOK to generate CP and then just fok->env forever
esp with bote up
crimson palm
And why is it spending a GCD on second target during vendetta window on first target?
(Garrote cast)
wanton pond
how do you guys go about using cds on nzoth, I felt like sometimes I was holding for too long
quasi scroll
This looks like the best I can get with my current gear, any recommendation for what's the weakest stuff to try and upgrade first?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ptkdtTdmUym3oSgNmpW7E2
hollow stone
Use cds on nzoth. Youre there for boss dmg. If you want to parse only, just use on cd on whatever thing it will last full duration on @wanton pond
wanton pond
yeah figures with heroic
managed to kill last night and was most on boss dmg
but feels so bad just holding for so long
scarlet swift
Is there a better way to sim all essences? I’m trying to figure out what’s best for my setup but with all the essence options it over the raidbots threshold
wanton pond
wasnt using coral tho, does it stay on nzoth if he phases? and whats the best way to go about using it?
just hold it on nzoth till burn phases?
wanton pond
?
hollow stone
Nah. Coral on psychus p1; when it dies, you get the free proc. Use again on nzoth for first burn; thatll put the debuff on nzoth and your buff from the psychus coral will be up for at least half of that nzoth burn. Then in p2, if youre group 1, repeat that
If youre group 2, coral again on the 2nd big tendy
Same play; let that fade when it dies, coral debuff on nzoth, burn
And then reverse
Then p3 should be obvious :p
hollow stone
Lots of shit going on. It happens my dude
But tldr version is you want to abuse the free “2nd cast” from mobs dying as much as you can on that boss
crimson palm
Is it worth coraling the basher?
I feel like you won't have max stacks for the last phase burn
timber meadow
is there anyone playing assa with decent corrupted gear who doesn't have giga vers stat prio right now
my vers weight is like through the f'ing rough
i understand why cause of corruption dmg scaling off of it, I believe
but it's still a little odd maybe
hollow stone
Youre welcome to do whatever you think is better @crimson palm but i laid out the usage for the whole fight above
Crit haste vers for me atm, 1x t2 ev and 1x t1 mind flay boi
Vers was catching up last tier. Doesnt surprise me it has become a best stat in some cases
Oh. Sry, also have a 2% chd
frank pike
Do you guys think sin would be my best bet instead of outlaw unanimously in raiding? I've had a lot of trouble with keeping a consistent dps in outlaw obviously
cobalt pelican
if you really had to play one spec playing assassination is better than playing outlaw
being proficient at both is ideal though
quiet parrot
Question about Hivemind & Vexiona, has anyone tested running hidden blades instead of poison bomb?
If so, how did you find it?
From this https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/24#boss=2333&difficulty=4&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination&bracket=6
It seems like alot are doing the AOE build.
rigid mango
The thing with sin is just like
You want to pump the bosses
You essentially ignore adds
lavish grove
could anyone assist me with a simming question?
rigid mango
Sup
lavish grove
so my sim is showing i should be pumping 40k dps but i struggle to get past 25-30k.
this was from yesterday before logging off since i cant get in now to do a new sim https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/owx3Pso83XqjhMiHGphTwy
im wondering if its just not accurate or if (more than likely) im just doing an inoptimal combo
rigid mango
It's correct
lavish grove
hmm alright so my rotation is probably poopoo.
rigid mango
It's also using all buffs and hero etc
lavish grove
ahh ok that makes sense im going to do some more testing when it goes live. Thanks!
vast tinsel
what secondary mechagon ring should i get as sin, +haste or + nature damage proc?
frank pike
@cobalt pelican I'm definitely proficient with outlaw, and I've played sub for the longest time. I've dabbled in sin before and know the rotation pretty well. I'm thinking of building a sin set and use that for raids, and continue my outlaw in m+/open world. Just need some daggers lmao
copper dove
Boosted a rogue to try since my main is a ww. Went outlaw and hate it. Cant stand the constant rerolling. Can someone maybe pm me and help me get situated for sin? Idk anything about it at all.
strange python
Erm
Check the Guides maybe?
They are in the Pins. And the one on icyveins is written by seli, so pretty good too. Idk If its up2date for 8.3 tho
Shouldnt matter for getting started though
swift crest
@rigid mango so you are saying essentially that I dont swap to adds and such?
rigid mango
Essentially not
You can drop ruptures here and there
But you're essentially just a boss slapper
timber meadow
just go dh and do what outlaw and assa do in one character
swift crest
Without feeling accomplished
echo cargo
outer acorn
Does +12 give you a 465 or 470 ilvl item from weekly cache?
unborn otter
470
outer acorn
And how much residuum?
frank pike
Mythic 10 465
Mythic 11 465
Mythic 12 470
Mythic 13 470
Mythic 14 470
Mythic 15 475
@outer acorn
10 17,000 1,700*
11 17,900 1,790*
12 18,800 1,880*
13 19,700 1,970
14 20,600 2,060*
15 21,500 2,150*
16 22,400 2,240
17 23,300 2,330
18 24,200 2,420
19 25,100 2,510*
20 26,000 2,600
21 26,650 2,665*
22 27,300 2,730
23 27,950 2,795
24 28,500 2,860
25 29,150 2,915*
just divided by 10 it looks like
unborn otter
Which is more worthwhile, 3x SS or 3x echoing blade? Currently have 3x SS and 1x EB and it feels fine as long as I can get the stealth reset before tank pulls.
I can have 2 SS, 2 EB as well.
outer acorn
EB is probably better on higher keys
white wyvern
If you have other DPS that can mongo AOE which you probably will I would recommend 3x SS.
bright smelt
3SS 3EB also works
rigid mango
Just go 3 EB.
fading wigeon
Works on most of the bosses in Nyalotha too lol
white wyvern
You would really choose 3 EB over 3 SS? Why? Not hatin'. Curious.
prisma jolt
what stats u want for raiding? u want to stack haste? or crit?
rigid mango
Fuck 3 EB, SS rips cleave, prio, ST, and just for overall damage
EB is also good ofc, but second to SS.
@prisma jolt whatever sims the best
All stats are +- the same
rigid mango
No
white wyvern
Cool, that's what I figured too. Thought my life was a lie.
rigid mango
Optimally I don't think SS will be played on a single boss, there's possible use here and there
But saying that, it's not bad
It's good for really fast kill timers
prisma jolt
i see i see 😮
rigid mango
I'd say 3 EB is truly at its peak when there's either "forced chainpulls" or so much aoe it like, never ends
High fort ML's for example, where the trashjust never ends
Sin just never stops pumping with 3 EB, granted 3 SS is still amazing for the frontloaded burst and all that, EB just sustains your damage and vanish wont necessarily be used as a dps cooldown but a lot of the time a mix of it and utility.
unborn otter
Awesome, that was along the lines of what I was thinking. With emissaries gone, figured there'd be more chain/massive pulls given the affixes allow it. Thanks for the input!
buoyant raptor
Are the Essences pinned still the ones to use for 8.3?
fading wigeon
Sim what's best for you @buoyant raptor
buoyant raptor
I don’t have many essences so I was trying to see if there are certai ones I should grind for
hollow stone
Yea. The ones pinned are not necessarily the ones for 8.3. It doesnt account for the 3rd minor, the nerf to clf, or the new essences (botd is really the only one we might use). Gotta sim
Also wv buff
fading wigeon
@buoyant raptor memory of lucid dreams, BoTE, purification protocol
hollow stone
Imo clf is still worth grinding. So is wv
hollow stone
But yea, what he said: lucid, wv, clf, bote, pp, iris, c&s
buoyant raptor
Thanks guys. Really appreciate it
hollow stone
Gotcha. Wasnt trying to say you meant it was bad
fading wigeon
Ah ok
hollow stone
And botd, but as long as youre doing the 8.3 content that one will just come naturally
buoyant raptor
BOTD different than Bote?
white wyvern
BoTD = Breath of The Undying
hollow stone
Yea. Botd is breath of the dying (new essence)
buoyant raptor
Okay cool just wanted to make sure it wasn’t a typo hahaha
hollow stone
Dont know if itll actually get used. But youre gonna wanna have it as a corruption reduction option at the very least
subtle tundra
r3 does a lot of damage
twilit grove
Not specifically a sin question, but I have a dagger with Mind Flay on it, and just got boots with it on it as well. Is doubling up worth it? Does anyone know if it increase spawn chance, or just the damage?
hollow stone
I liked it a lot in arena even at r1. Could def see it being used
uneven summit
So what´s the best ST setup atm..
subtle tundra
whatever sims best fam
hollow stone
Sim major, sim minor, sim minor, sim minor. Bis
subtle tundra
if you have low haste then bote and iris minors will sims really well
it all depends on your gear
hollow stone
W my current options (which does not include every essence as i alt’d rogue last tier)... wv major or clf major depending on fight, lucid minor, iris minor, flame minor
uneven summit
3x DD still?
hollow stone
But again, thats just my char w my available essences
Maybe
Dd is still a front runner. 1-3 np. Hod is good (new raid trait). Bbi is still good
Something like 1np, 1bbi, 1-3 dd, 1-3 hod looks real nice
blazing mirage
thoughts on vendor azerite? buy 2 460/465s or wait one more week for 1 475/480?
hollow stone
What content do you do?
blazing mirage
starting mythic tonight
hollow stone
Id save
blazing mirage
didn't manage to clear heroic last week
thinking save rolls for weapons and trinkets, and buy 465s
hollow stone
If you were heroic raiding and doing medium keys (10-12ish), i would say just buy but saving is def the play for mythic prog
twilit grove
Same question but normal/ early heroic. Probably going to spend on the 465s to replace 435s
hollow stone
If youre a heroic raider, id prob just buy the 460s
Get that spike to help clear heroic and dip into mythic or w/e
twilit grove
Cool, that was my thought. Appreciate it. (:
hollow stone
Just my opinion tho
twilit grove
Yeah totally. Replacing 435s for that instant boost seems too good though.
hollow stone
My thoughts too
trim vale
is worldvein best in all cases as major now? whats your thoughts?
hollow stone
No. Only if you can maintain the 4 stack the whole time
wide ridge
is infinite stars our best corruption dps?
hollow stone
Otherwise look at your next best simming option (for me its clf but flame is close)
Check pins @wide ridge
Zine did a little writeup
wide ridge
oh mb
rigid mango
wide ridge
cause i got an infinite stars ring from my m+ cache, but it has 75 corruption, it currently sims 5k more dps than my other combination
but i'm also running the carapace daggers, which has 35 corruption
so i was wondering if i should uncorurpt my daggers
distant lava
no
hollow stone
Uncorrupting is sketchy since we’re all still watching for nerfs
wide ridge
I see
wide ridge
t3 roll?
jaunty crystal
rank 3
hollow stone
Corruptions come in 3 tiers (most do, anyway)
wide ridge
o
hollow stone
So higher corruption and higher dmg
wide ridge
wtf i never knew that
hollow stone
True. But you need 5x gushing wounds to “equal” 1x t3 IS (poorly explained, but i know you get what im saying, zine)
unborn otter
Absolutely going to sim myself, but 9% increased vers vs 12% increased crit. Thoughts? I'm sitting at 30% crit, 2% vers. Waiting on sim
surreal solar
High Crit plus the Crit boost throws your Crit to a higher value, but it all pans down to the sim
hollow stone
IS debuff last on the target indefinitely unless dispelled
surreal solar
I’ve got 2 Crit boosters which barely flex my dps but they toss my weights around
wide ridge
@hollow stone thank you sir
uneven summit
Condensed or Blood ST+
rigid mango
CLF better for overall, bote can be better because of timers/windows
uneven summit
aight thanks ❤️
rigid mango
WV is the best for overall though 😄
untold vigil
Hey guys can u help me :() I have some problem with my energy idkn i never had energy 😦 how we generate that after 20sc of fight
crimson palm
what bug?
merry sparrow
you randomly dropped stealth
inside horrific visions
something to do with subterfuge talent I think?
merry sparrow
no I'm not
white wyvern
That is not why.
merry sparrow
doesnt happen with outlaw
candid anvil
Are wrists from junkyard good or not really? Compared to corrupted wrists everyone has.. (for m+)
river knot
@merry sparrow I read that there is a fix for broken stealth in the notes
hollow stone
Siiiiiim
drifting cloud
No
true ingot
Does anyone have any tips for actually.. achieving anything on Dresta'gath?
teal urchin
sly ferry
Is gushing considered a bleed ?
twin kite
@quasi pewter thanks for the answer, sorry i just saw it 🙂
hollow stone
Even if it is considered a bleed, it will not scale with anything sin specific
Like mastery, or venomous wounds, or whatever other cheese youre hoping for
worthy moon
Gushing is still probably BiS now with the void nerf right?
Assuming based on the logs I've seen for that corr. Man the Void nerf was heavy handed af.
hollow stone
Check zine’s pin. Gushing has always been best
hollow stone
Ev is just easier to get and still really good. And more versatile
sullen solstice
hello, is triple SS more valuable than triple EB in M+ ?
hollow stone
Simple answer is “yes” @sullen solstice
sullen solstice
any detailed info anywhere? noticed a lot of folks running BOTE with triple SS
haven't played in a while trying to figure out what i'm looking for
candid anvil
Not gonna make you happy, 3ss 3eb
hollow stone
Not that i know of right this minute. Check icy veins as seli was the one who updated it. But check the update date before committing to what he’s got in there
sullen solstice
currently have 3x SS 2x EB with a TtK
hollow stone
Yea. 3ss 3eb is the goal still afaik
sullen solstice
got a 465 dagger with 6% crit bonus from all sources today
candid anvil
Damn you lucky.. Nice gear and corrupt
Here goes my m+ question, are mecha wrists worth using?
Or rather corrupt ones?
hollow stone
Sim em brotha
candid anvil
Everyone kept telling me simming m+ is useless
subtle tundra
both of them seem trash, i'd take the corrupted wrists for the stats as long as it doesnt make you have too much corruption
candid anvil
Have one with crit+haste+socket but they are 430, I guess they cannot be compared to these..
Or is socket on wrists worth that much?
topaz crow
so question guys i have a 435 coral a 450 inkpod and i could potentially have a 460 pvp insignia that gives vers if i were to use coral and the pvp insignia how exactly would i go about this?
graceful musk
what's the preffered essence setup for nzoth ?
hollow stone
Did you sim it, frosty? Chances are with those 3 options you will sim best with coral + inkpod
topaz crow
is there a way to change the ilvl of a piece on raidbots i have a warlords trophy and could bump the insignia to 460 but would rather not do it just for a sim
hollow stone
Add it at 460 in gear compare
tropic ocean
@graceful musk bote/wv-lucid-iris-conflict(or breath of the dying if u have big corruption)
graceful musk
arathi bot ?
tropic ocean
yeah sometimes theres some event where u do arathi ? i think vs bots
tropic ocean
yeah
gloomy slate
What is the opening sequence with wv? Same as life force?
waxen vine
any good rogues streaming mythic right now or vod?
honest needle
are best sin weapons from raid or m+/weekly chest ?
rough agate
raid has highest ilvl dagger you can get
white wyvern
Gunna be the dagger from Carapace as it drops 10 ilvl higher. So it is a 485 dagger from Mythic compared to 475 any where else.
surreal solar
But wouldn’t 475s potentially better corrupted pull ahead possibly?
rough agate
sure but you can get any corruptions on another piece
graceful musk
the raid one is corrupted
surreal solar
Yes, and I said With Better corruptions
graceful musk
oh I misread
steady owl
What essences should I use on nzoth?
white wyvern
Both of what they said. You don't NEED corruption on your weapon it can be on any piece. You aren't going to have corruption on every item possible.
graceful musk
@graceful musk bote/wv-lucid-iris-conflict(or breath of the dying if u have big corruption)
@tropic ocean
graceful musk
hehe
steady owl
Oh sorry I’m there now was typing ina hurry lol
graceful musk
np np
sterile field
does anyone have a razor coral macro to automatically apply it when using a skill?
tropic ocean
make a macro of your skill and add
/cast Skill
/use 13/14
depending on trinket slot
sterile field
thank you
errant viper
Guys, not quite sure... when in my rotation should I use Worldvein Resonance / Lucid?
If I use Lucid after Vendetta I find myself overcapping in energy.
dense axle
use lucid when not in Vendetta
errant viper
Oh
dense axle
cause you over cap lol
errant viper
Yeah that sounds logical xD
dense axle
or use it at the end of Vend, when youre more starved
or best yet, with the TB just after Vend ends
cause I think it gives Vers? or am I thinking of another
for WVR, use it with Vend, same place as CLF was
errant viper
Lucid? Only gives energy regen
dense axle
"When the effect triggers, you gain Versatility (scaling with Azerite level) for 8 seconds."
but that may only be the minor
I'm unsure
errant viper
Also about essences..
The WoWhead guide has some nice sims run of all the essences
But the Ravenholdt guide mentions something else entirely
dense axle
ravenholdt is old
use wowhead
or sim yourself for best results
WVR is best assuming you can stand still for 18 seconds
or in the group with lots of other WVR shards poppin off
errant viper
Otherwise just go lucid for the most part?
I mean I guess one might sim better than lucid
with specific gear setups
but in general I'm guessing just go lucid
errant viper
In which case blood?
dense axle
or iris for adds
depends ont he fight
use your noggin
you probs wont be too far behind as long as you use what you pick well
topaz crow
whats the m+ ideal azerite setup 3ss 2ttk 1 NP or blightborne?
strange python
3xSS+3xEB for most dungeons
raven mica
Some combination of 2-3 EB, 1-3 SS, 0-2TTK, and maybe some bullshit like BBI or tradewinds if you got unluckerdog
stiff tartan
anyone know why u only can see rank one of corruption on bloodmallet sim ?
onyx crane
are the 8.3 essences any good or should we stick with old ones for now
tropic ocean
r3 breath of the dying pretty decent as minor
I can also see the new raid essence might have some uses depending on fight to copy iris major for add phase and st essence for burn phase maybe
onyx crane
but I don't have r3 of any of those yet
tropic ocean
world vein/bote/guardian major
lucid/conflict/iris/breath minor
purification protocol usefull on carapace
onyx crane
I also don't pvp 😛
onyx crane
how does it PP stack up N'zoth itself
tropic ocean
idk
nzoth just needs dmg in the right phases so not really using proc based essences there
untold current
onyx crane
GZ!
urban junco
ffs
untold current
biggest troll
dark crag
The worst of the worst
storm lodge
is a 1k dps increase worth going from 37 corruption to 43 ?
civic palm
All corruption questions are answered with;
If you can live through the effects, yes.
storm lodge
i havent gone beyond 40 before so im not sure how bad the thing from beyond is and how sing rogues deal with it
quiet parrot
Question about the pined opener.
If you are running SS, you should be running Subterfuge, and open with gar, and gar out of vanish/stealth. OR has that changed?
Reason i ask is that i got 2 upgrades helm and shoulders, both have SS on them.
civic palm
But you have to figure out for yourself if you are able to deal with the effects of the added corruption.
storm lodge
i see
covert crag
3 garrotes
civic palm
@quiet parrot That shouldn't have changed, dunno if SS/SUB is better damage though.
quiet parrot
its siming higher
storm lodge
do corruption effects stack? like does having the same proc (haste) add up? or does it go on some internal cd
i mean the damage i take sure does, so im hoping they proc independently
quiet parrot
@covert crag if its single target would you still do 3x garrotes?
covert crag
Oh thought we were talkin m+
quiet parrot
talking raid
covert crag
nah then you do garrote>rupture>garrote
quiet parrot
ok good thats what i thought
covert crag
and on vanish you pref to go in at 1-3 CP and garrote>finisher>garrote
Sounds weird that SS is simming higher though, are you comparing it to other traits and MA talent?
quiet parrot
yea
covert crag
out of pure curiosity, could you link the sim?
Doesnt look like you simmed tradewinds (2nd trait) on ur shoulders
cosmic prism
http://prntscr.com/qu9ig7 just got this bad boy 
covert crag
big gz!
manic prism
whats the ideal trait setup for sin rogue raid?
covert crag
@quiet parrot whats ur haste %?
faint spoke
about pot of focusing resolve, should I only use it if for the whole 25s I'm only going to hit 1 target? and then just unb pot if there is something else to hit?
covert crag
Not that I can see, I guess sims dont lie @quiet parrot
light pebble
So after simming some of my new higher ilvl gear, since they are upgrades according to raidbots it means that im loosing 3x double dose (now just 1x) and also loosing shrouded suffocation (non at all now). I was wondering how this will affect my opener and what I should change it too?
covert crag
Ur now running no Shrouded Suffication and running Master Assassin instead of Subterfuge?
honest vessel
@light pebble quick sim it and look in the html report for action sequences
raw lotus
light pebble
never played without SS before so not sure what I should be doing
raw lotus
where would you put these bracers in your opener
covert crag
Did you sim master assassin vs subterfuge in the talent tree?
light pebble
no
full flame
Ineffable truth! Anyone else as lucky as me?!?
light pebble
should I be doing that?
covert crag
MA usually pulls ahead with no SS
so ye sim the talents and lmk
@raw lotus try simming it and checking the action prio list
raw lotus
thanks
quiet parrot
Ty @covert crag for your feedback
covert crag
no worries
forest arch
how do you use worldvein resonance as assa?
small kestrel
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Azerite overview: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o
sage forum
is there ever a time in key to just spam fan?
knotty pond
whats our best in slot azerite peices?
covert crag
Chest/shoulders from last 2 bosses and swirling sands head from the vendor
vague rock
anyone know a good assa pov for nzoth?
knotty pond
so elemental whirl is better then overwhelming @covert crag
covert crag
No, swirling sands the primary trait
knotty pond
im talking for peices from last 2 bosses
knotty pond
true
light pebble
@covert crag after siming it still says sub is better
rigid mango
What's teh convo about?
light pebble