just be a heretic and put it ontop of your e nergy bar
#assassination
civic palm
O _O
civic palm
His problem is that there is other shit there and a moving bar like that looks weird sandwiched between other things sometimes.
"problem"
cobalt pelican
when i said ontop i meant lidderally on top
you can make a nice
bar sandwich
TRI LAYER WEAKAURAS WOO
civic palm
I mean people have asked for that too https://media.wago.io/screenshots/S1DnKtp9G/5ac00abde67a8b778552fcd0.gif
KBnooo
robust gull
if running WV major do you just use it on CD?
civic palm
Same place you would use CLF in the opener, stack with buffs as well as you can without losing casts over the course of the fight.
civic palm
STACKED
hidden bridge
BIG sandwich
I had to put my health bar there because I never pay attention
It makes a loud noise when it hits <30%
civic palm
o _o
hidden bridge
Cause my awareness is uh
GREAT
Is there an easy way
To make the gcd move left to right
Instead of right to left
or do I just rotate that bitch
twilit hollow
display yeah
cobalt pelican
i think???????
hidden bridge
🤦
Is there any reason not to macro envenom in with my vanish for my opener
I see a lot of logs have a delay, not sure why more people wouldn't want them to go instantly together
cobalt pelican
i.. don't know actually, i've never done it just because i use vanish for other things and changing my binds seems like a pain
i'm not sure if macroing them would cause ma to not be up before the envenom or not
civic palm
MA would be up.
hidden bridge
I only thought of it because my vanish is shift + f
so its a bitch to envenom right away
But I don't see a reason not to have them bound together
Then have a separate vanish keybind just in case
civic palm
Otherwise there are other issues as you can still Vanish+BUTTON within the macro delay.
This coming from someone that had 100% consistency doing the Vanish+Finisher bug in Legion without a macro.
hidden bridge
In practice it seems like there's only a delay if you use the macro well before your gcd
Then it vanishes too early
civic palm
Which is why it's a bad idea.
cuzLag
You'd rather be a little late then fuck it up.
autumn badge
So we're replacing CDLF with Worldvein now?
rigid mango
pearl pagoda
yo is anyone having issues with stealth at the beginning of your horific visions?
it keeps ripping me out of stealth a couple times at the start
rigid mango
yuh erryone
pearl pagoda
GAH
rigid mango
no clue why
pearl pagoda
AWESOME
rigid mango
Just mass pull need the mementos anyways 😉
pearl pagoda
yeah
fleet whale
it's that debuff
rigid mango
That'd be the filter famalam
fleet whale
the one that kind of looks like quaking but isn't, seems to break stealth
reef mulch
Is there a way to sim all diff foods at the same time on raidbots?
proven talon
just sim ur stat weights bro.
reef mulch
ah yeah stat weights :S it's late
tall peak
Are the sims working fine for corrupted items, plus is a 420 corrupted peice better than my 450 legs if it has infinite star?
rigid mango
heavy haven
breath of the dying rank1 as minor is a Jebait in sims or rly that good wtf? like how can it sim better for me than every other essence 😄
is it just still bugged?
fleet whale
well, it has corrupt resis as well
near coyote
Ah yes corrupt resist for the gear I don't have QQ
Legit had one piece drop so far lol
near coyote
I got bracers and that's all lol
fleet whale
420 pants with that verse proc when i take damage, and gloves that give leech
proven talon
the horrific visions were supposed to be guaranteed drop of corrupted gear
fleet whale
only the first one
proven talon
no
fleet whale
of the week i believe
near coyote
Did they fix it? I have one more vision to do
dire lintel
is there a way to sim fourth slot ?
proven talon
ive held off doing the rest of my visions till i hear news of it personally but i wouldnt advice you to hold off
fleet whale
i just decided to get my cloak to rank 6
reef mulch
change neck to 75 in simc output works @dire lintel
pearl pagoda
did one hard zone and 2 easy just now, i honestly enjoy these visions
dire lintel
nvm its late an iam stupid
pearl pagoda
wonder ho long thatll last
rigid mango
Just until you move to wow gen is my best bet, dunno about you tho.
near coyote
Yes c'mon now leave room for people to ask about the best sin essences
Some people here need a purpose in life
rigid mango
Ah yeah I love posting the same pic again and again 
near coyote
😂
rigid mango
Feel free to have this talk in the right channel, just not here 😉
magic fossil
WORld vein top tier for everyone?
rigid mango
magic fossil
it was just to talk about dude, if some poeple are using aswell, i know i have to sim myself
but thanks anyways
rigid mango
yw, no problemo
robust gull
so using top gear, are all corruption effects supported?
robust gull
and the adjustments have already been put in, like is nerf, botd fix, etc
maybe i should put it this way...when something gets adjusted, how long does it take to update in raidbots, and how do i know when it has been updated?
cobalt pelican
changes get pushed onto the nightly build.. well.. nightly
if it's a simple number change/etc it's same day it's confirmed
if it's something more complicated it can take a few days
only real way to know what's added is to look at the commit log on github
rigid mango
Yuh just swap to nightly
robust gull
do most people run the nightly build?
rigid mango
yah always p much
robust gull
ah kk, ty
i still dont have anything besides void ritual...but i figure if im prepared to actually get a piece, one will drop for me 😄
quasi scroll
sorry if anyone asked this but has anybody noticed stealth dropping in horrific visions?
no debuffs, no truesight, just stealth drops randomly
rigid mango
yus.
rigid mango
No clue.
safe stratus
I assumed I fat fingered the button or my UI wasn’t showing an eye properly.
rigid mango
Nope just something weird
quasi scroll
same spec, other rogue?
drifting cloud
our talents outside of 1-2 rows are pretty fixed
and even that is relevant maybe 1 boss a tier
outer lotus
Maybe you walked over some blue void stuff on the ground that does some damage?
narrow comet
aye i looked it up after i was in raid and tinking the f i became good
well bed time, nn
dapper bough
Sims say i should go with font of power + coral, what's the cd again when you have 2 on use ?
prisma cypress
15 or 20 seconds?
rigid mango
Should be in the pins
vital dew
I think I wanna give assassination a try, ive been maining BM all expac, whats it like?
rigid mango
Good at p much everything.
fleet whale
really strong at boss damage, so it's pretty much useful in just about every raid fight in some way, even the cleave ones
and can be pretty solid at M+ as well if geared right
little sandal
whats the name of those sorry
vital dew
Worldvein resonance and alternating minors to suit
little sandal
oh ok ty
split veldt
do you gotta do anything special to transmog legendaries?
it wont let me mog my daggers, even tho they're on my list
vital dew
gotta make sure its in the appropriate slot
split veldt
daggers on daggers
vital dew
no main hand on main hand
vital dew
odd open a ticket
loud light
you have to right-click the one that shows up in the ui to change it to the other one
steep obsidian
i wasted a fair bit of gold trying to figure that out 😐
its kind of a bug
does anyone know if the heart of darkness trait procs if your cloak takes you below 25 corruption? I'd assume so?
drifting cloud
last I heard it didnt
steep obsidian
hokay
drifting cloud
that was still from ptr tho iirc
faint canopy
Is there any way to farm corrupted gear as of now?
umbral mauve
Wait till next reset
somber hill
prisma roost
It's a minute long CD
So it'll line up with every Vendetta if you're hitting it on CD
inner granite
what essences should i use at new raid?
honest needle
Im simming my toon and on raidbots it says max corruption do i make that my current cloaks resistance ?
which is rank 5 so 20
sacred hatch
vulpera racial before or after vendetta?
dusk onyx
wich essences you use for Eternal Palace now?
strange python
@honest needle some amount of corruption is manageable
covert basalt
Say, would you guys recomend assasination or Outlaw for the next raid?
distant lava
probably assassination
covert basalt
even with all the Aoe going on?
distant lava
other classes are better at doing that kind of aoe, sin dmg is ultra good single target
you can get by fine as outlaw but sin is always a safe bet in raid
its damage profile is way better there
ornate meteor
Is ppl using sins with ss trait or dose trait in nylotha? As in from ptr?
quasi pewter
same as before
marble tartan
distant lava
no corruption, unlucky
frozen karma
Yeah...I've literally only gotten the bracers everyone else gets, rest was plain ol' 420-445 gear
violet ermine
Hello guys, is it possible that the Ritual corruption might be getting me out of stealth?
dapper zodiac
best essence combination to take now?
frozen karma
the ones that sim the highest 
dapper zodiac
no help whatsoever
frozen karma
I could tell you my combination and yours will be completly different
all I can say is Worldvein as major seems to be the go to for most people
hidden bay
rigid mango
Literally like, 3 of them are simming well, everyone in shit gear, we have limited corruption, and yet people expect a bis tier list of all essences when they all look diff on paper person to person
frozen karma
yo what's the best setup for mythic n'zoth???
no help??? bruh people here are toxic smh
rigid mango
Meh I understand their frustration especially when the answer is as simple as sim yourself, even though that answer is annoying to hear.
wooden elm
On say, a 3 pack, is it better to triple empowered garrote or garrote, rupture, garrote?
unborn otter
Garrote, Garrote, Garrote, Rupture
wooden elm
👍
honest needle
so for simming what should i set the corruptiuon bar to
i dont undetstand what to make it for simming
distant lava
39
timid grotto
is there any info on vulpera yet?
honest needle
can u explain how it works
so i kno what to set the corruption bar to myself
I dont understand it
pseudo hamlet
Shadowstepped to Thrall, got DC, didn't get cloak upgrade. Nice design Blizz 👌 
covert basalt
which essenses should a new 120 go for?
shut garnet
lucid, clf, visions, pp, strife, bote
subtle tundra
vop aswell
shut garnet
yyep thats what visions is
subtle tundra
ah didnt see it mb
shut garnet
not gonna lie, you should probably, realistically, get all of them
subtle tundra
its not essential but it has its uses in m+
glacial flare
any recomended build for sin for soloing visions ?
perhaps m+ ?
with or without CT
glacial flare
iris as major or bote ?
rigid mango
Bote fam always
glacial flare
cheers Zine 🙂
covert basalt
should I go farm the other esseses first or do the quest in 8.3? keep in mind I just dinged 1 hour ago
shut garnet
honestly, you have so much daily shit to do
i dont think it really matters where you start
though the 8.3 stuff gives you some gear
so maybe do that first
fervent beacon
@frozen karma The raid isn't even out but its a safe bet that sin will be best for progression, that corrupted dagger off carapace is thicc.
fading wigeon
Damn was hoping to play outlaw, but will stick to sin then
rigid mango
Play either
fervent beacon
^
fervent beacon
Outlaw is still good, especially for cleave
But sin is just typically used if you're pushing but outlaw is just as good if not just slight below
In M+, outlaw is really stronk
rigid mango
so is sin
near apex
The downside of sin is the azerite traits,going into next tier
elder gulch
for islands Should I stick to a trinple EB assa or go outlaw? just trying to get islands done as quickly as possible by grouping everything and AoEing it down
dark crag
strange python
ey guys, maybe a dumb question but do i have disadvantage if i dont use slow poison? cause dont want to slow the zaqul adds
covert basalt
Do the rare give the gear in 8.3 or where do i get the new gear?
tropic ocean
only from vision and quest rewards, after next reset u can get it from dungeon raid etc. but thats not sin related
🙂
covert basalt
wat
wet zealot
what essence should i use in the 4th minor ?
tall geode
sim it :)
covert basalt
Ah i see
gusty mirage
@wet zealot I've been running PP as my 4th minor and messing around with different majors, ran a few keys w/ crucible major last night and it felt like a pretty good set up in m+ tyran weeks until I can get breath of the dying upgraded
obsidian sandal
If I’m looking to get pieces with 2-EB, would you guys recommend buying specific pieces or just gambling? For m+. I was hoping some raid gear would have it +SS but from what I can tell I’m fresh out of luck in that dept
gusty mirage
that's entirely a personal decision, I think the math comes out to 8 weeks of doing 19s to get 1 specific piece
surreal solar
2 weeks for a rando
outer adder
is there a limit to the amount of corruption pieces you can wear? or is it only gated by ability to stay alive
vast forum
the latter
radiant python
Wow all of the new raid gear looks pretty trash for us this time around
I don't think we are using any of the azerite stuff, and it has us mostly stacking mastery
Unless we get a good corruption piece I don't think we have much to look forward to outside of M+
frozen karma
headpiece from Raden is good, it's been our bis for the last 2 raids, not sure how corruption affects this tho
radiant python
Yea, if we don't get a good corruption most of the gear isn't great
The dagger is pretty sick at least
strange python
hey guys do you know how many AP i get from a +20 next week in the chest?
or its a static value?
drifting cloud
9k~
buoyant kraken
Do we use unbridled fury or focused resolve pot as assa?
tropic ocean
Unbridled
drifting cloud
if its still double ap which I think it is
sacred hatch
back of tricks before vendetta or after?
jolly spoke
^ curious too
sacred hatch
ok ty
drifting cloud
its probably whitelisted, just test it
acoustic patrol
What do u think about the new craft ring?worth?
tropic ocean
personally not gonna go for it
imo for raiding engineering+leather work
and just grinding mechagon m+
rigid mango
unborn rampart
need to figure out how many wv we actually have in raid
civic palm
➕
grave elk
Do you guys think sin will still be way to go for new raid? i keep hearing about the aoe. so i thought maybe outlaw would be good as well
civic palm
Yes
rotund stone
It’ll be situational and if your comfortable with whatever spec. Lots of adds = outlaw, I’d say like 3-4 targets sin does pretty good if you can manage bleeds well. Also depends on what azerite traits you get lucky with.
I know in my guild if we lack boss damage both me and other rogue go sin. Let the others aoe.
grave elk
gotcha. i mean i have a 95 overall in heroic ep on my outlaw. so i think i can do both fairly fine
I have all my essences to rank 3 that i think are good to have
so im fairly prepared for whatever
rotund stone
Sin will always pull ahead single target damage, so if boss damage lacks it’s always good to have rogues go sin for boss.
grave elk
ive never been good about multi dotting in raid. cuz if targets are separated i never know if its a dps gain to shadowstep out to mobs and dot or not
but obviously if enemies are stacked i can dot all of em and maintain well
like in queens court as an example. i never knew if it was worth it to dot both bosses and maintain or not
rigid mango
I don't think outlaw is looking good, if you have a comp that you can easily optimise
Outlaw works in the grey area of fights with long, extended cleave, not the burst aoe that seems to be the go to next tier
You can always have too much aoe, but never too much ST.
grave elk
Ok its hard for me cuz i planned on doing a lot of m+ to gear. but i play outlaw so much in m+ cuz its just so good. so ill just have to dbl gear again
tedious
rigid mango
need double gear for assa anyways
unborn root
do we know if the nature damage ring from mechagon cares about toxic blade?
like does it get the damage boost during the tb window?
grave elk
@rigid mango why does sin need dbl gear anyways?
rigid mango
m+ and raid
grave elk
yeha i just dont know how i like sin in m+ compared to outlaw's state atm lol
never had a very optimal setup for sin this season so ill see, thanks for advice
shut garnet
sin is veeeery gud in m+
rancid blaze
what essences do you use for M+
shut garnet
blood, lucid and vision of perfection
rancid blaze
thanks
unkempt solstice
what's optimal azerite right now?
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
unkempt solstice
!azerite
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Azerite overview: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o
rigid mango
read my status
fleet whale
A few majors are kind of all close-ish right now. Hell even Lucid major wasn't that far off of CLF and WV for me.
so what's best depends from person to person
shell walrus
what about in M+ blood or beam major?
waxen vine
3x EB, do you just spam fok with bleeds up, or use env / rup to maintain EP uptime?
for m+
vast forum
depends on pullsize
usually use rupture on a target that doesn't have it, or pump envenoms into a prio target
vital dew
hrm if i only have 400 daggers can I still do okay with thrall?
rigid mango
Should do
obtuse sleet
Just came back to to the game, will CLF be worth farming out?
rigid mango
Probably
vital dew
imo WV is easier to get /works better with groups
strange python
i tried to do some visions on ptr as assa rogue but the problem was i was getting destealthed every some seconds, i really don't understand why, can anyone help? this is the combat log https://pastebin.com/raw/m1aAgWsY
vital dew
one of the corruption thingies is damage, the other is a pulsating aoe attack
they both probably drop you from stealth
strange python
but i never experienced this behavior as outlaw
does that mean outlaw is bugged right now?
rigid mango
Dunno I've no issue w stealth outside of visions
but I think outlaw is fine in visions
strange python
im talking about strictly visions environment
rigid mango
Yuh, think assa is bugged and outlaw is working as intending
rigid mango
Since I've run w people playing outlaw that've had no issue but I get cucked out of stealth
strange python
so we can't play visions then
rigid mango
You get hit by nothing, you take no damage but destealth
ofc we can, stealth isn't needed
strange python
i will take those 3 silence garrotes
rigid mango
If you're in a group you mass pull, even if you're not you can still just masspull
strange python
nah i want to solo
rigid mango
I just played 3 eb, stealth works fine outside of first zone iirc.
strange python
yeah but you don't get the silence garrote properly
multiple times i was destealth'd way too far for my silence target
rigid mango
You don't, but you can just spec into being a powerhouse outside of stealth too.
strange python
there are double dominator packs
you can't just risk not silencing
especially when you are solo
this is really frustrating tbh
rigid mango
Can just vanish garrote
rigid mango
or just kidney one and kick other, blind other out of kidney kill other and kick out of blind
or just play outlaw, it's annoying but not much more to it really.
Make a ticket I suppose, but you're not the first I don't doubt it.
strange python
as outlaw i can't burst rexxar properly
rigid mango
I'm assuming rank 5/6?
strange python
ah
rigid mango
vital dew
icy veins is up to date right? Im lookin to go assassination over outlaw
rigid mango
Yeah, seli writes it and it was updated right before the patch
cobalt pelican
it's some shit with bloodthirsty like the buff spam applying removes stealth
so it should only be in the start zone, and shouldn't be the case next week when the debuff thing rotates
rigid mango
odds are it is.
cobalt pelican
that talent barely works somehow
rigid mango
Yep, always is.
strange python
fuck subterfuge then i guess
rigid mango
Yuh.
strange python
yep that was iut
languid leaf
how is assas looking compared to outlaw? just leagues ahead?
versed mica
I heard something about a sin glitch? What's going on?
sacred hatch
lustrous golden 440 should be better than coral 415 right?
civic palm
@languid leaf OTL probably still better in Mythic Dungeons, Raid is a crapshoot but SIN probably a head due to DPS model.
@versed mica Where'd ya hear that from?
@sacred hatch Should be, no harm in checking through https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear though.
strange python
@strange python you can skip the double dominators for % in the northern lost zone. You’re over % if you kill those and everything else.
fervent beacon
@civic palm subterfuge will randomly pull you out of stealth during h vision is what I hear.
bronze wagon
are you guys simming like 2k lower than normal or is it just me
with naz + benthics
fervent beacon
Yes because you cant use benthics benefit anymore in new raid
so it does sound right for this to happen.
bronze wagon
well I mean simming for EP i'm lower than normal not sure why
robust gull
Clf nerf?
civic palm
@fervent beacon Yeah that one is fun.
versed mica
@civic palm trade chat lmao
civic palm
@versed mica o _o get me an actual source. Unless it's the stealth drop in Horrific Nightmares, as I can vouch for it dropping Assassination Rogues with the Subterfuge Talent out of stealth but not Druids/etc.
sacred hatch
coral 415 still better T.T , ty @civic palm
civic palm
Good to know :3
versed mica
@civic palm I think that was it
So wait, sin rogues with subterfuge get dropped randomly
?
in all nightmare types?
civic palm
It's due to the effect you get in the first area IIRC, weird interaction.
I never noticed it in any of the Medium+ zones IIRC.
terse orchid
What talent setup do you guys use for the horrific visions. SS, subt and PB/CT?
median thorn
I'm running ST build, but I also run them in a group. I leave the AoE to the others 🙂
strange python
does infinite stars sim better than it actually performs? on some fights it does 7% of a persons damage on others 20%. I have twisted appendage and its the same, some fights with 5-6% and other fights does 20% of my damage
but twisted appendage doesnt sim as high as infinite stars
what tier of infinite stars are we talking about?
both tier 3
distant lava
It's a random proc so the dmg is RNG, it can vary a lot, specially in short fights
strange python
thank you
yeah you have to be way more specific than that, fight lengths and overall dps
that must be it
shell walrus
anyone know why everything i read says to use 3x double dose 1 twist 1 nothing personal and 1 blightborne infusion but all the top sin's on warcraft logs for heroic use 3x shrouded instead?
strange python
bosses die in 2 seconds, i guess thts why
distant lava
Yes SS is better for shorter kill timers
It's bad to look at logs at this point of the tier cause it's just people memeing to parse higher
shell walrus
ahh i didnt even think to look yeah all the kill times are sub 2 minutes
so the go to still is the 3x double dose?
for progression that is
sterile ocean
all this simming is makeing my head hurt lol
arctic walrus
also don't look at heroic logs lol
distant lava
Just sim the gear you have honestly
sterile ocean
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/81MQxvKrkUTt5qEVj2KfdB it said world vein if theres 3 people atleast but not sure if its wanting it in my major or minor trait XD its bounceing back and forth
arctic walrus
our bis from very minimal testing so far looks like um
distant lava
The trait setup you mentionned was very good with previous OP, but maybe something's better now
sterile ocean
plus im not sure if any my guildies is gonna be useing it
drifting cloud
blood siphon
arctic walrus
take the 3rd ring traits with a grain of salt, those are probably very close and will depend on what essences we pick up
runic terrace
Since Guardian has been nurfed: what essence shall I now take? Worldvein as simmed in Raidbots or maybe Lucid Dreams or maybe even something different?
Progressing Azshara Mythic today for the last time...
shy dust
Blood is usually taken as major for azshara.
runic terrace
Unfortunately got none of the pvp-essences🤨😅
quasi pewter
Clf then
arctic walrus
clf is still really strong
if you're not taking wv it will most likely sim highest for you
runic terrace
You guys are great, thank you so much. Now it's just the last 10% that need to be burned down...
arctic walrus
Gl! the last 50% is just a huge burn
sterile ocean
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/61vpSFri3eKqDcwdMavvNY is it better to put worldvein in my major or minor? i know its +29 dps but trying to think whats better
runic terrace
And quite easy too! Last time 9 of our people were killed by an eye beam. Otherwise this would have been the kill... @arctic walrus
plain moon
Whats your guys opinions and estimates for ra-den trinks. I'm trying to plan heroic rolls and im on the fence on raden. i'm leaning towards not rolling it for trinkets cause font+coral is just so good but getting some more opinons on it wouldnt hurt
winter gale
We still need to use benthic for EP queen Mythic ? Or to go with corrupted parts we have?
distant lava
benthics are still extremely good
plain moon
just sim corrupt vs benthic. prob benthic will win
distant lava
the only way I'd see you replacing a benthic is if you have IS or EV on that same piece
shrewd night
I sold all my benthic gear, fuck going back there ever again 
arctic walrus
You don’t reroll anything
You need last 2 bosses
And raden trinkets I’m 99% sure are straight up shiiiiit
plain moon
well depeding on how fast your gonna clear mythic using more than 2 tokens on first heroic is the right play
arctic walrus
Still raden is definitely a hard avoid
Tbh you can sim droptimizer now
But, no trinkets will beat our font coral unfortunately
plain moon
yeh ive simmed drop for both
distant lava
fortunately
arctic walrus
I liked having 4 last tier
distant lava
arctic walrus
Sin rotation already complicated enough please don’t make me use 2 trinkets 🙂
plain moon
at least for me bosses 3-7 drop pretty much trash even on mythic, so unless you're clearing up to il'gynoth quickly its better to roll 3 or 4 heroic bosses first week
arctic walrus
Man I really hope up to ilg is clearable first week
reef mulch
For Heart of Darkness, is the needed 25 corruption before or after the reductions you have?
candid anvil
Please, anyone knows what is that item with which I can ress? Not battle ress, just normal ress, I think it's some kind of dagger, but I'm not sure... Can't find it on google :c
plain moon
I prob wont roll ra-den for trinkets but if i dont get maut helm i prob still roll him
candid anvil
gnomish army knife, nice thanks
winter gale
Wich essence is now bis for ST?
winter gale
Ty
warm hatch
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
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sterile ocean
^
placid kindle
can someone tell me what ilvl reward we get from next weeks weekly box
frozen pecan
480
distant lava
Pretty sure 440 still
young portal
Next week is 475 in your weekly from a +15
sullen pagoda
ye 440 and no residuum
frozen pecan
450
fading wigeon
I'm pretty sure Tuesday reset is still a season 3 chest. So item will be 440
young portal
Yeah but he's asking about NEXT weeks chest, not this weeks
frozen pecan
460
frozen pecan
lies
real bay
rigid meteor
Can someone give me some tip of what I do wrong?
rigid meteor
frozen pecan
@tropic ocean yea stop lying
tropic ocean
@rigid meteor use prepot, use flask, use food, use 2nd pot, use racial, use tb on cd ( u missed 2 casts), dont refresh garrote from subterfuge let it run out, stop overcapping combopoints by using weird garrotes
stop refreshing as much outside of pandemic you essentially losing dps by wasting dot time
frozen pecan
don't believe him
tropic ocean
you can't have that many empty gcd during tb
plan ahead
plenty of spells you dont want to use during vendetta
e.g. guardian, multiple garrotes
rigid meteor
shall I pull then for tb
tropic ocean
yes
rigid meteor
pool, sorry
tropic ocean
optimal case refreshed dots before, and close to full energy with 4-5 cp
(it wont always work out like that, but you get the idea)
rigid meteor
thank you man
frozen pecan
rigid meteor
can you share log to check how is done properly?
rigid meteor
thank you sir
tropic ocean
frozen karma
what should we roll for next week except the wep from Carapace?
frozen karma
what do you mean about the trading part
frozen karma
won't likely be able to trade 460
tropic ocean
so if I roll 460 piece x
i can trade every other 460 piece x
in reclears
and if you bonus roll weapon
and loot weapon after
u can trade it too
frozen karma
think I'll roll wrathion/carapace wep and then Vexiona/Raden Azerite
dusky tinsel
vexiona azerite is garbo for me, even at 465>current 445s
frozen karma
is there a way to give yourself a fixed amount of corruption on raidbots? it simmed lower for me as well but when I calculated the dps gain from stats using my stats weights it seemed better
obviously stats weights change so it's not as accurate tho
dusky tinsel
There's a slider option for corruption in top gear, but obviously that doesn't help in droptimizer (I don't think it has one, could be wrong). Either way, changing your corruption isn't going to effect the value of your azerite.
I guess outside of dark heart trait
frozen karma
cuz I'm currently at 0 corruption so maybe the sim just isn't calculating it
Yeah that's the azerite I wanna test out (the one from Vexiona)
with Dark Heart
heart of darkness*
dusky tinsel
I think rogues have a good tool kit for handling the 'thing from beyond' add at 40 corruption, but I doubt you really want to be messing with that on early prog, to each their own I guess
frozen karma
well Heart of Darkness is only 25, I just wanna set it to that to sim Heart of Darkness
dusky tinsel
do you have any corruption pieces at all? like the one the questline gives early on?
frozen karma
I don't see an option on gear compare tho
it's only 15 corruption tho, cape brings me to 0
dusky tinsel
I'm pretty sure that corruption still counts, even if the cape cancels it out
could be wrong
frozen karma
either way Heart of Darkness works at 25+
dusky tinsel
probably gonna have to wait til reset and see if you can get some corruption pieces before raid, then run the sim again
frozen karma
guess so
shrewd iron
What essences do you use in visions if you don't have 75 neck yet?
rigid mango
Bote + lucid pp/strife
dire terrace
should we cleanse the wrist piece we got? the void ritual is kinda lousy
shrewd iron
ok :/ if I play clf I can do it tho right?
dusky tinsel
if you're remotely geared, thrall just falls over so it doesn't really matter
dire terrace
I'm only 423 and can solo him easy enough with green essences dont freak out
shrewd iron
when I did him + 2 bonus objectives it took a while to get him down tho
altho I was outlaw
dusky tinsel
his HP also increases the more bonus objectives you do
rigid mango
Idk I don't think you need vop on the bosses
scarlet hinge
o rly ? didn't know his HP increased with objective completion
rigid mango
Prepot and bursting in general should be enough
distant lava
lust too
rigid mango
HP and gets their abilities, yuh.
scarlet hinge
Huh,TIL, thank you.
shrewd iron
I never thought about drums thank you @distant lava 🙂
opal moat
Does already exist a spreadsheet which ability is cloakable or feintable for t25?
rigid mango
Not afaik.
rigid mango
Sounds like a wow gen question my man
storm lodge
bloodmallet is showing lustrous golden plumage as the second best trinket.. is that accurate? when i sim, it sims significantly (1kdps) lower than font
wondering if sim is wrong/hasnt been updated, or if bloodmallet is wrong
quasi pewter
are you simming it together with coral?
font is so good as 2nd on use with coral, because its 30 seconds
plumage is only 20 secs so its gonna be awful together with coral
storm lodge
i see
quasi pewter
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vgVd9VQokchPtVtV2tY6oF same ilvl plumage without coral
only ~160 dps less
storm lodge
yeah im simming it with coral
storm lodge
is it because of the overlap between coral time and font time that it sims high?
quasi pewter
idk how it even uses it with coral
rigid mango
Yus
rigid mango
What, plumage?
quasi pewter
yea
rigid mango
just at random I think
storm lodge
no font + coral
quasi pewter
if you dont have coral for some reason, plumage could begood
rigid mango
Probs yuh
quasi pewter
coral + font or a passive trinket
storm lodge
😭
quasi pewter
high ilvl dice or spyglass maybe? idk
rigid mango
have more faith in new trinks tbh
cobalt pelican
i'm prolly gonna try getting my greedy ass hands on torment in a jar if i can
cobalt pelican
tbh anything that's like
neutral to font coral
and means not playing double on use
is a dps gain
cause i still scuff it once every few pulls
torment in a jar was like -0.7% or something i think pure st though so kinda rough
cobalt pelican
i can see them buffing the wrathion trinket tbh
jar/writhing prolly have their place for cleave fights/other stuff anyway
the wrathion trinket is just kinda ass
storm lodge
@quasi pewter BTE major sims highest for you?
storm lodge
oh
rigid mango
I think from what I'm gathering
quasi pewter
clf sims a little higher
rigid mango
it's mostly like
quasi pewter
im not playing worldvein
spice surge
But what about exsang zine?
dusky tinsel
WV is like sub 100dps over CLF, so I'm probably just gonna run CLF for the sake of consistency
rigid mango
Not yet eleem
strange python
!wa
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rigid mango
Seeing you type in here w blue name hurts eleem
quasi pewter
blood is most likely going to be the most valuable for progress
rigid mango
quasi pewter
but 
rigid mango
Yuh, blood for prog most likely
dusky tinsel
really? 🤔
dusky tinsel
I wonder how much value it would gain if you end up getting mostly crit damage corruption early on
cobalt pelican
3np vop gamers r ise up
rigid mango
I regret giving you greenie
sullen fossil
Won't it be wv + sots trinket better than blood?
cobalt pelican
i'm just 4 months ahead of the curve
dusky tinsel
NP seems to be outsimming a lot of other traits for me, even if I already have 1 NP
cobalt pelican
screenshot this
cobalt pelican
pretty much anything that interferes with font coral at this point is a fat no
quasi pewter
if you look at bosses in new raid worldvein seems even worse than in EP
sullen fossil
because with blood you waste 30s of cd waiting for vendetta+coral with wv and gcb you have a window of good dps every min
quasi pewter
major doesnt make up for that
rigid mango
I still don't get it amnezy
cobalt pelican
and shadhar
dusky tinsel
right? so much movement, can't guarantee decent uptime imo
rigid mango
You'd still wait with blood for vend
And GCB is shit esp during prog
and also just worse than font coral
also a fucking horrible trinket to use, I'd rather use font over it every day
dusky tinsel
if this was Uldir with 3xSS and exsanguinate or something then maybe lmao
rigid mango
Also that goes against my realier sentiment, havinga condensed dps window every 2min is very good for prog
rigid mango
Means you don't lose anything from just playing between
sullen fossil
Oh k got it
sullen fossil
At that point is bote better than lucid?
rigid mango
wv gcb sounds like hotline on movement
Yus, I don't think lucid is realistically better to pick for prog
quasi pewter
does lucid ever sim higher at all?
rigid mango
Yeah, higher than blood on average afaik.
quasi pewter
without wv minor?
rigid mango
Think so?
When I did some sims lucid > bote for me with breath + iris + strife
iirc
I think current sims are irrelevant anyways, kinda
quasi pewter
breath r1 or ?
sullen fossil
Currently i think so.. gotta wait at least for next week for the first corruptions
dusky tinsel
r3 probably, r1 got hotfixed and isn't that great
likely be a default minor once you can get r3
dusky tinsel
I suppose if you get some really solid corruption pieces early on then it would be worth the r1 slot
quasi pewter
oh when i simmed yesterday with the elemental whirl stuff btw
i completely forgot that i also gain a double dose over a ttk
shut garnet
are u guys saying there's too much movement for wv to be viable next tier or
cobalt pelican
any amount of movement makes wv just like
not good
it's not far enough ahead to be considered playable outside of a couple instances again imotbh but remains to be seen
it's pretty easy to assess as you prog though, like if you're barely moving then feel free
quasi pewter
you have to think i mean
shut garnet
ye ofc
quasi pewter
why would we suddenly play it now
when it simmed better before as minor too
and the difference between wv major and clf/blood is not that big
rigid mango
idk think u just keep playing clf on the simple shit
quasi pewter
nah lucid not good as major
rigid mango
and bote on the stuff with windows, timers, etc
cobalt pelican
yea i learned that a lot of the problems i had with lucid on the sims done like as soon as the sim build got merged were just like, circumstance of 3 slots trying to fit worldvein lucid(minor) and bugged breath of the undying into the same character
rookie mistake
shut garnet
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jrBBAVhXBwNXdAWtTi1KXg thats my wv sim
cobalt pelican
only thing i still don't get is just
shut garnet
my clf is legit 1.2k behind
cobalt pelican
why bote is ass
shut garnet
so sad lmao
quasi pewter
cobalt pelican
even if it's worth playing real world
quasi pewter
wtf is this
shut garnet
LOL
quasi pewter
little more and we could play it
cobalt pelican
however
quasi pewter
u have benthic tho
shut garnet
wow
cobalt pelican
(this is just the base profile with all the raid azerite added)
shut garnet
thats
cobalt pelican
carapace dagger
cobalt pelican
cleansed of its corruption
it's hard to tell how much of this is natural gear scaling pushing bote
and how much of it is
echoing void
or
infinte star rather
and there was only bote/clf in this sim no worldvein no lucid no UNBOUND FORCE
quasi pewter
vers mastery ring 
shut garnet
actually ok nvm it'll be pretty dog for raids
cobalt pelican
yeah it's the base profile so some of the gear selection is questionable
cause it's limited to like
raid loot
shut garnet
you only get value at +80% and 20% right
quasi pewter
there is crit haste boe ring right?
cobalt pelican
but it's the simplest set of gear i can get my hands on without making my own entire set of 475 gear
yea with a sockete guaranteed i think?
quasi pewter
it dropped like every trashpack on ptr
cobalt pelican
oh the t25 stuff is on herodamage now
fun tier when meticulous scheming is better than both your class traits
quasi pewter
meticulous 
outer lotus
BoE ring? Damn thats something new
urban junco
^
storm lodge
@quasi pewter when you use BTE, do you align it with vendetta window?
i also dont like CLF but ive been using it because sim
quasi pewter
yes ofc
storm lodge
so that 30 secs doesnt matter?
quasi pewter
no
hollow stream
Anyone try using Worldvein?
cobalt pelican
even removing the corruption from the profile still puts bote ahead of clf, so it is just a gear thing i guess
wintry fossil
Fresh 120 rogue here, thoughts on the new essence as a major...? Is it decent? Seems to do way more damage than the najzatar they give you
shut garnet
which one?
wintry fossil
The bellow 20% has lower cooldown one
can't remember the name @ work right now so can't pull it up
cobalt pelican
literally the only thing that changed when i removed the corruption from the profile was the sim wanted 3x np and no heart of darkness
wintry fossil
R2 is above 80% also have a lower CD
cobalt pelican
and lucid isn't far behind bote with corruption on actually, ~200 dps
breath of the dying? it's not particularly great
wintry fossil
yeah that'S the one
cobalt pelican
it's really good for like questing and potentially other things like m+/certain specific fight situations
but as a general raid essence it's just like
too limited, i think
wintry fossil
Yeah, working toward getting the good ones :/
cobalt pelican
and in m+ you tend to just want aoe things
wintry fossil
With the new essence slot what is the new minor we're going to use?
wintry fossil
lucid / breath of the dying/ conflict and strife / focusing iris?
quasi pewter
clf/bote major lucid,iris+breath minor most likely
quasi pewter
yes for everyone
r1 breath is almost as good as conflict r3 already and you're most likely gonna need that 10 resistance
cobalt pelican
yaaa, i'm not sure what kinda gear lvl it needs to be at for bote to take over in terms of sim value
quasi pewter
so propably gonna be worth taking it even if it sims a little lower by itself
cobalt pelican
prolly 2nd week gear is more than enough looking at this though
quasi pewter
10 corruption is like 2k dps with good corruption
narrow comet
yeah i am happy with the 10 because now i dont have the aids Grand delusions
wintry fossil
wasn't Worldvein 3 the best?
wintry fossil
but in reality it isn't
narrow comet
13% of my damage ...
wintry fossil
I saw that on the raidbots you posted, you are one lucky guy
quasi pewter
all fights
narrow comet
stars is even more nuts not?
cobalt pelican
i think my goals before mythic are having like
strange python
any sim with top bis?
cobalt pelican
either stars3, or if no stars3 then a mix of ev/appendage
narrow comet
ok i keep an eye out, ty
quasi pewter
appendage doesnt even seem that good
cobalt pelican
it's not
it's just like
when i looked at gear
is3 is 38 corruption mythic week, and if you go ev you end up with like
15 spare
and it's the best 15 corruption i think
wintry fossil
I feel like some of the trait will get mega nerfed though
quasi pewter
tbh the balance doesnt look that bad
wintry fossil
too many underwhelming ones vs crazy good ones
cobalt pelican
it's like a 'fill the spots' corruption
wintry fossil
Well, 6 good ones for like 10 bad ones lol
that's more than 50% of their system that's garbo
quasi pewter
yes its not great
cobalt pelican
ah there are better 15 corruptions
quasi pewter
but not as bad as i thought actually
cobalt pelican
so i'm looking at like
wintry fossil
Its almost like early azerite armor traits where overwhelming power and few other traits were the only good ones in a pool of many bad ones
cobalt pelican
infinite stars 3 (38 corruption), or echoing void 3+one of the stat proc ones like racing pulse 1 (38 corruption)
are the two like potentialy good sets of gear i'm looking at
UNLESS lash is actually proccing on other gear
wintry fossil
GL getting that though
cobalt pelican
don't think it should be that hard if you're grindan
urban junco
Corruption rerolling would be nice. Feels very D3 though.
urban junco
Indeed.
cobalt pelican
tbh i think i'd always want
echoing void + haste proc over stars currently
or mastery/vers proc, any is fine i guess
wintry fossil
So at least if you don't get what you want, you can keep the piece of gear w/o cleansing it and rerolling whenever you can
quasi pewter
echoing void is so good
cobalt pelican
it's just good in general