assassination

[cobalt pelican]

: ' (

[tropic ocean]

@cobalt pelican if you attack from behind ti cant parry

[cobalt pelican]

thank you for the tip

[tropic ocean]

[cobalt pelican]

i will

[tropic ocean]

np always glad to help

[cobalt pelican]

try this next time

[shy dust]

If you don’t attack the boss at all it can’t parry your attacks

[lost horizon]

Shadowstep ashvane always

[deft nymph]

i wish our tanks were a little less vehement about getting amazing barnacle bash stacking toward the end of the fight

like...we've got plenty of room, just give me her back

[tropic ocean]

just stand in coral and tell healers to git gud

[lost horizon]

Just stand in

E

z

[tropic ocean]

if they blame u link mechagon ring set

[deft nymph]

oh dang

445 inkpod doesn't actually beat 430 font for sin

neato

i feel better about blowing all my coins before org this week

[tropic ocean]

inkpod can be really good on some bosses and in progress

but yeah for overall font is giga

[weary marten]

!pot

can you guys tell me what pots we need ? i remember about ST / 3-4 / 5+

[vestal wren]

wowhead guide has the pots

[weary marten]

ok thanks

[vestal wren]

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite overview: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[vestal wren]

should link to the guide (need to change to consumables)

[left moth]

i got a pretty dumb question and i dont know if it even matters, i have two 445 mythic daggers, 1 has leech the other one doesnt, do i put the leech one in offhand or mainhand? 😄

[tropic ocean]

doesnt matter

[left moth]

aight thanks

[deft nymph]

the way i decide which hand to put weaps in is usually about which one i'm going to use as an outlaw offhand

[viscid lichen]

!benthic

[deft nymph]

and what lets me not re-enchant

[viscid lichen]

anyone know what pieces should I get for mythic progress?

besides the boots obv

or feet rather

[deft nymph]

belt wrist hands boots

[viscid lichen]

cheers mate

[deft nymph]

wrist is prob the highest prio

[viscid lichen]

any priority?

okay

thanks

[deft nymph]

np

[viscid lichen]

I assume I should go for socket?

thats like a huge deal

[deft nymph]

yeah don't upgrade benthic until you get it socketed

[rigid mango]

@viscid lichen feet > wrists > hands > waist damage wise

[deft nymph]

so much free stats

[viscid lichen]

okay thanks

[rigid mango]

feet and wrists are rough to get

[tropic ocean]

should get feet>belt

belt is ez to get

[rigid mango]

Fair bit worse than both hand and wrist on most fights, though

[tropic ocean]

yeah

but its super ez to get so if you're unlucky

smaller gain > no gain :p

[fleet whale]

how is belt any easier to get than the other pieces, does it have a higher chance to proc a socket or something

[severe yoke]

i just got razor coral i have some basic unstands what its does but i dont know when and how to use it in aoe fights ( i play mainly m+) o hope someone can help me

[fleet whale]

You use it on whatever the priority mob is

[severe yoke]

and i guess i use it again when hes baout to die ?

[fleet whale]

and when it dies, you get a crit buff for whatever stacks you had on it, and just use it on the second priority

no need to use it again on the same mob

[rigid mango]

!coral

[prisma monolith]

The way to use coral in M+ is using it on your priority target,
and then whenever that target dies, reapply it to your next target.
Whenever your target dies it gives you the crit it would give from using it,
so consuming the stacks for crit mid pack is generally suboptimal.

[rigid mango]

^

[severe yoke]

k thx

[fleet whale]

It's quite efficient in M+ if used correctly

[swift moss]

@fleet whale belt only has two options to roll giving it a higher chance to roll with a socket compared to the 4(?) for wrists

[rigid mango]

6 wrists

5 boots

[swift moss]

Lot more than I thought dang

I rolled wrists in my like first 50 so I guess I was pretty lucky

[fleet whale]

my very first wrist roll was puffer fish with a socket

[tropic ocean]

@fleet whale theres only 2 belts?

afaik

[fleet whale]

yeah that makes sense

[glad horizon]

on queens court mythic when you get dont repeat abilities and need CP do we use poisoned knife?

[tropic ocean]

u can use kick

arcane torret afaik

or fok

[deft nymph]

step works

[edgy pawn]

detection works as well

[jolly fable]

hey would anyone be able to look at my logs, if i link them, and tell me if theres anything i could do better thankss

[royal lantern]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nkcARqPXMNeQJ7UBJvmTY9 @rigid mango blackwater simming worse then my m+ chest

[tropic ocean]

@jolly fable just link

[arctic walrus]

0 loyals

[tropic ocean]

[stiff vortex]

So someone said 2xss 2x twisted knife 2x Echo are optimal for m+ , i am thinking i losing much dmg for single then. Is there a like must have for aoe ? Like min. 1x ss 1x Echo ? And fill the other with Single Target like Dose and nothing Personal ? Or are this traits to Single Target fokused? I really struggle with traits.

[tropic ocean]

no dd or np in m+ ever

mix ttk echo ss as you like

3 ss 3 eb biggest overall

[arctic walrus]

You would never pick dd or np over an ss/ttk/eb

[tropic ocean]

less ss/eb more ttk = more prio less overall

[arctic walrus]

"required" is 1 ss and 1 eb to be okay

[jolly fable]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/n7zyftrmAN6cw3hY/

[stiff vortex]

But i suck at Boss fights then of Not ?

[arctic walrus]

you don't.

[marble hemlock]

youre still doing decent boss-dps, but its just not worth the tradeoff to get more ST because of how much cleave/aoe dmg you lose

[arctic walrus]

@jolly fable are you eaglewing

[jolly fable]

no

prokrisqq

[arctic walrus]

okay well yikes tell him to not run venom rush and deeper strat lmao

[rigid mango]

[tropic ocean]

dont use poison knife

dont waste as much cp with tb

have less downtime on boss

[trail kestrel]

Hello guyz I'm looking for a wa or Tell me when to track empowered garrote thx!

[tropic ocean]

(you didnt cast anything for 30% of the fight which is too much even with pooling)

[jolly fable]

should i pool for tb as much as i do, because i always sit at 5 cp to wait for it

for tb

[slim lava]

Hey all. I have a question about assassination and outlaw.. Mainly gear grinding.

[tropic ocean]

you should pool for tb yes

but you shouldn't cap energy and just wait with full energy for tb

ty to have 4-5 cp and ~140~169 energy when tb comes off

[slim lava]

I raid with my guild and we are 8/8N, 6/8H, EP... and I enjoy M+. I know I grind TR with 10+ each week, but I feel like there is more I can do on my rogue as DPS. I get beat by a hunter, and warlock in damage... I'm pulling roughly 30k

[stiff vortex]

Is this bug of losing the ss Bonus because u use a normal garrote on a 4th Target still present?

[shy dust]

No.

[tropic ocean]

@jolly fable

https://prnt.sc/p4xlh2

idk whats going on here but in first boss you should never have such downtime

use cloak step sprint to play mechanics

u basically dont use 3 gcd

4*

https://prnt.sc/p4xm1b

same here

theres plenty of gaps in your rotation where you just don't do anything while not pooling for tb

[jolly fable]

okay thanks a lot

[strange python]

Read the guide in ravenholt

It will help you alot

[jolly fable]

i think some of it is me pooling to just wait for the envenom buff to drop off

[strange python]

That is your opener with MA

[stiff vortex]

In m+ on trash you Open How ? 3x garrote 1x rupture ?

[tropic ocean]

yes

[rigid mango]

depends on your haste

but yes

g g g rup build rup

[stiff vortex]

But you only want 4 bleeds right ( or more when some will run out)

[rigid mango]

5 if you have under 11% haste

[vital dove]

Sorry if it's been asked before but is the belt with the crit proc from azshara worth it to use? I have 440 belt with socket atm and i got it as 435 with socket

[rigid mango]

Hard to sim

Depends a lot on how many others you have

[stiff vortex]

Thx guys 😊 you helped a lot

[lusty narwhal]

I dont think ill ever see Oris socketed

gg

[sour wasp]

got pufferfish and i'm sticking with it

ori's 60 dps more whatever

[royal lantern]

pufferfish ftw

cute fish that is killing itself>boring ice dmg proc

[unique sierra]

Is the 50% from skirmishes even worth the time per honor gained

[fleet whale]

if you are talking about BoTE farm, honor from arenas don't count

[sour wasp]

if for a second you thought it's gonna be easy and fun

it ain't, there's only pain

[fleet whale]

and skirmish queues actually take longer than regular queues, plus regular arenas count for the weekly

[viscid lichen]

is there a energy gain buff for every dot you have on different target?

[rigid mango]

http://prntscr.com/p4y3hw

[fallow estuary]

with dead-eye spyglass

do i need to AA the target

or does stuff like fok count

(m+)

[tropic ocean]

no

fok etc count

[bleak spoke]

Okay someone give me the cheat sheet on zaqul I’m getting unsat tonight

[scarlet sequoia]

so what u wanna do is save cds for the small adds

they take extra damage

just pump those

[bleak spoke]

I’m assuming I need vend for both the delirium adds

[rigid mango]

yah, vop minor

blood major + lucd + vop

[bleak spoke]

So I v on pull and first puncture and then i hold for delirium adds then

[rigid mango]

What strat are you doing

waiting for overlap or zerging?

[bleak spoke]

I know my guild holds

[rigid mango]

Then you don't pop

on pull

first puncture, both adds

coral inkpod if u have it

[bleak spoke]

No inkpod

[rigid mango]

[bleak spoke]

If I can only font 1 I might as well not play font right

[rigid mango]

I did uhh

font first break

font 2nd echo?

me thinks 2nd echo

I played diff strat after like 50-60 odd pulls

[bleak spoke]

Okay but if I van on puncture do I van first echo and then just let blood carry me second echo

[rigid mango]

Nah, van on each echo

van + blood on both

[bleak spoke]

Wait that’s not possible

[rigid mango]

no

Ibrained

[bleak spoke]

Otherwise

[rigid mango]

vend*

yes

Vend + blood on both, hold vanish for 2nd

1st one normally melts

[bleak spoke]

If I van puncture will it be up for 1st

[rigid mango]

depends a bit what you do strat wise

what you've got downstairs w u

[bleak spoke]

Cuz my thought is I have to disjoint van and font

So ideally I have one up for each right

[rigid mango]

Well, you can just pop coral + blood + vend for first

font, bood, vend, coral, van for 2nd

1st one doesn't need much

[bleak spoke]

Assuming I just coral them all yeah

[rigid mango]

well, you can coral after 2nd one tbh

to finish off

a bit clunk

[bleak spoke]

Okay just van font puncture and then van font second echo

[rigid mango]

yeah, you'll generally need more cds for 2nd one

than you will first one

[bleak spoke]

It’s two other rogues an spriest and an mm hunter I think

[rigid mango]

two other rogues?

You can only be 4

so one's gotta go out

Demo's pump downstairs

nuts numbers

[bleak spoke]

alright gonna be 3 rogues and spriest probs

or 2 rogues 1 spriest and our lock idk

[rigid mango]

If u have lock

you're really safe downstairs

demo will pump 2x your damage to add

easily

You're more or less there to make sure it dies comforably

[lean veldt]

would it be better this week to run my ST sin for a 13 dungeon?

or stay outlaw

[rigid mango]

outlaw

[tropic ocean]

problem with demo is u need to position urself really good

or he will rape u

@lean veldt u never run sin st on m+

so play what u enjoy more/have better gear for

[rigid mango]

"really good"

I never had any issue with it what so ever

[tropic ocean]

well we had demo down

and he killed me and fellow rogue 😄

[rigid mango]

Sounds like that was bad positioning

[tropic ocean]

yeah not really good 😄

sadly its not always as easy to position in a good way to attack from behind and not get smacked by tentacle or rdps

[lean veldt]

should i use my dribbling inkpod instead of harlan's loaded dice then? for M13 siege

[tropic ocean]

personally i don't like inkpod in m+ at all im using spyglass and harlans (for convenience so i dont need to bother activating on use)

spyglass+ashvane is pretty good as well

when I tried ink pod due to low haste and nature of sin u generally dont put really much stacks on the mobs

I mean you don't even really use it on fury which has way more procs on it due to naturally high haste so idk if it is even used at all in m+

[shut garnet]

i imagine inkpod coral could be okayish on outlaw since it helps your st when doing bosses

but spyglass coral feels really good with assa as ausgelebt said^^

[plain moon]

okay, how many of you saved up for gorak tul and how many just rolled it. I want to save up but im getting antsy

[granite rampart]

ive rolled 4 random shoulders. got sanguine monstrosity twice, and pistoleers twice

[plain moon]

feelsbadman

[granite rampart]

yup its rough out here

[plain moon]

your bad luck mightve scared away my gambling itch

[lusty narwhal]

Ill help you out

[granite rampart]

yeah id just hold if youre reasonably close

[lusty narwhal]

Ive got 5 shoulders all non goraks

[verbal knot]

I rolled one set of shoulders and got Goraks

[lusty narwhal]

You can always scrap if youre a desperate bastard

[verbal knot]

But I didn't get a font till this week if that makes it any better.

[lusty narwhal]

Certainly doesnt

[plain moon]

I got 2 fonts back to back on first heroic weeks

im only 70k tres so im not really close

Joined a new guild who ill trial with this week which is making me want to roll even more, but I know i should just save

[tropic ocean]

i just roll roll roll

got 2 bad shoulders

1 tentacle 1 ss/eb

kept 1 for raid kept 1 form+

so not too bad

[cobalt pelican]

on my 6th shoulder roll i think

don't really regret anything

but still kinda tilted

[rigid mango]

Hope u get sang next time

[cobalt pelican]

i will!

i've gotten 2 fastiduous in a row i've not had my monthly dose of sanguines yet

[fallow estuary]

Those statweights

Topgears like : Yeah, socket crit or haste or mastery or vers 👌

[rigid mango]

I got fastid last time

Not too mad tbh

[cobalt pelican]

they're p ok, usable for something at least even though i don't really use them in m+ much

i use them for pvp

don't even really care that much about actually owning goraks anymore i just want to be free from residuum slavery

[lusty narwhal]

Im almost tempted to save up but Ill be on azshara shortly so may as well keep rollin

[muted maple]

i scrapped a 445 yest. to buy a token that gave me the exact same piece! 😂

[sour wasp]

oooor

you could get it first roll

[lapis shale]

Guys, cooldown usage at hc Za'qul?

[sour wasp]

depends what your group is doing @lapis shale

you guys progressing?

[lapis shale]

Nop, we are clearing

But trying to improve my parses

That actually suck

[sour wasp]

well, for parse whoring attack the small guys that spawn as soon as they come up

[arctic walrus]

you won't parse heroic unless you go full pad

[drifting cloud]

not true

[sour wasp]

don't vendetta on pull, vendetta on the first 30% dmg increase

add coral debuff on pull tho

[lapis shale]

@arctic walrus I'm doing much better with your advices, did a nice parse at Ashvane

I don't have coral 😦

[sour wasp]

pretty much always have uptime on boss when he takes 30% more and use vendetta on those

and attack small guys

pretty much

[lapis shale]

I'll try, pulling in 5' so I'll let you know how it goes :p

Also at Radiance I'm doing really good till add comes up

[sour wasp]

you can parse no padding

[lapis shale]

I don't know how to get better at that part

[drifting cloud]

if you dont go in twice on zaqul you wont do alot more than 50k

[lapis shale]

I'm doing 2nd group

[drifting cloud]

2nd group is the worst

you stay in for 20s then get knocked out when he goes 50%

if even that long

[sour wasp]

yeah, its not gonna even last enough

not a fan of bosses that are huge padfests tbh

i wouldn't look at zaq parses without some context or jut ignore it completely

[drifting cloud]

hes not that big of a pad fest

but if you arent in the 1st delirium your probably aint parsing good

difference between like r10 and r200 is 10k

and difference between r1 and r10 is more than 10k 😄

[unique sierra]

It doenst count for all star points

so

[drifting cloud]

oh they removed orgozoa for all star aswell

[sour wasp]

ah fair enough

the wclogs guys agree with me then

[drifting cloud]

what a hot take

[sour wasp]

[drifting cloud]

especially since they removed 1-2 of these kinds of fights every tier

[sour wasp]

well you can do a lot to pad it's not just the deliriums

like have no uptime on summoners, just pump small guys and boss on buff

[lapis shale]

I was on delirium for like 7s so my parse was really low

But well, I'll try next week

[sour wasp]

tbh if you still get the second delirium you can blame your group too

[tropic ocean]

you dont need hard pad or delirium to do > 50k

[sour wasp]

at this point you really don't

[tropic ocean]

think the most important part is doing the 30% windows good

[drifting cloud]

50k on zaqul is a blue log

[tropic ocean]

and keep dots on adds

[sour wasp]

the 50k i had was a purple one, although like a month ago, by being 2nd delirium and getting stunned out

i just padded hard

small ones, 30% windows

pure whoring

[tropic ocean]

i did 54k on first kill no hard pad and it was 86%

Some days ago

really unclean kill as well

[sour wasp]

it's actually a fun fight to train your switching skills and management

[tropic ocean]

think with r3 conflict and bote i can do a lot more

[bleak spoke]

man fight looks likle vaguely scuffed m+

zaqul i mean

[tropic ocean]

will see when queen is dead

[bleak spoke]

i was wondering too do i even play lucid on that fight

i get the feeling crucible of flame might slam

[tropic ocean]

Lucid i think so but iris seemed subpar

[bleak spoke]

cuz it's rppm haste

yeah iris is definitely no good, it's 5% haste when you tunnel a target

[tropic ocean]

or even protocol if going in delirium

[bleak spoke]

but like

crucible does more damage than protocol even on aberations

[sour wasp]

protocol sounds interesting

[bleak spoke]

and higher proc chance, stacking procs etc

[sour wasp]

but not sure it beats crucible overall

[bleak spoke]

so as long as you're at like 3t or less roughly then it beats protocol even on aberrations

[sour wasp]

not sure if i even have r1 protocol lmao

[tropic ocean]

Dont think crucible will beat pp

just so many adds in zaqul

and in delirium ull proc it like a maniac too

[sour wasp]

if you pad as group then yeah, if its scuffed and adds are all over the place

[bleak spoke]

actually yeah you're right cuz

there's a stack limit

so in a giga haste situation you cap on crucible stacks

nvm

[tropic ocean]

c&s just giga cuz perm 400smth vers

[bleak spoke]

yeh

atm though i'm blood lucid vop

might change lucid to pp or to conflict maybe

[tropic ocean]

so y probably bote lucid c&s and going 1st and 3rd delirium

And tell others to git gud no vendetta 2nd add

✌🏿

[sour wasp]

you make me want to get protocol now

LOL

just to see how it goes

[cobalt pelican]

o wait they actually removed orgozoa aswell?

that's lit i never have to do eb memes

[sour wasp]

yeah, down with the padders

[drifting cloud]

protocol is insane on zaqul if it procs at correct times to cleave all the adds

ive seen logs where it literally does 10%

but pure st its probably worse than flames

but hey adds gotta die on that fight

[cobalt pelican]

tbh if it's similar to things i looked at for orgozoa it's really not that far behind flames st on aberrations

[sour wasp]

not if you pad, you want them to hang around for just a bit

[tropic ocean]

It depends solely on if u go deliriums or not

crucible no sense if u go 3 deliriums

[cobalt pelican]

ah seems like the difference is bigger between pp and flame st than as sub

hm

[tropic ocean]

proc rate should be giga in delirium of pp

Its already giga proc rate with fury built in haste

Now having 150% haste 🤔

[bleak spoke]

If crucible didn’t cap it’d be huge

[sour wasp]

how does crucible cap?

has ICD?

[bleak spoke]

Max 3 stacks of the dot

[tropic ocean]

Yes

[bleak spoke]

The proc is the dot application

[tropic ocean]

But it can also only be 3x on target

i think if u go in 3 delirium

[sour wasp]

ah yeah tought you meant something else

im fried

[tropic ocean]

Even lucid is not best choice

When i was down i basically was just limited by gcd

Not energy

so not sure i want energy refund

Might go bote c&s and pp

Will see

[sour wasp]

so bottom line, convince your rl to let you in all deliriums so you can boost your internet swag on an unranked boss

[tropic ocean]

well u cant go in all

but 1 3 4 should be decent

[sour wasp]

yeah, i was just memeing

[tropic ocean]

Imo the play is to go in first

And stay until transition

[drifting cloud]

I have a feeling you mean mythic

and hes still on heroic

[sour wasp]

yeah, the discussion was initially about hc

[tropic ocean]

Just take all delirium in hc

and blast

[sour wasp]

blast ass

[acoustic cipher]

Evening everyone ^^

[tropic ocean]

play sub pad all

Ez r1

[sour wasp]

the scav approach

[acoustic cipher]

I'm kinda new to rogue and I've got a couple of questions if someone can help

Will be greatly appreciated

[sour wasp]

go ahead

be sure to check the guides first

[acoustic cipher]

Alright so i made a rogue alt to have some fun in m+ since i like the playstyle of assa. I feel like my aoe is just fine compared to my ilvl but when it comes to bosses im doing terrible so im not sure if i lose a lot of my ST damage because of aoe traits/stats or if im actually doing something wrong

Im running x3 shrouded x2 eb x1 ttk

[drifting cloud]

link your whole char if you want

[acoustic cipher]

Like raider.io page or?

[drifting cloud]

but yes assa does suffer a little on st because of azerite traits, its not that huge if you have decent overall gear tho

straight up armory link wont hurt

[acoustic cipher]

Sure 1 sec

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/draenor/Monkmaín

[drifting cloud]

but when you say terrible, what are you comparing it too

[sour wasp]

good name so far

[acoustic cipher]

XD

Im comparing it to a disc priest beating me on bosses lol..

[sour wasp]

oh

[drifting cloud]

thats just rotaion then

[arctic walrus]

are you timing your cds correctly to have them on bosses

[drifting cloud]

unless disc is doing 30k dps

[arctic walrus]

you're running iris which will lower st damage

[sour wasp]

could be a boss disc

[acoustic cipher]

Depends on how long the fight is but usually i do average of 25k on bosses

Maybe a bit less even

And yes i do have vendetta and vanish for bosses

[sour wasp]

should be rotational then

gear is fine for m+

[drifting cloud]

25k is on the lower side yeah, but it also depends on boss timers for example

[sour wasp]

what bosses/ dungeon are we talking about?

[acoustic cipher]

Any boss

[drifting cloud]

like anything around or just below 2min is pretty bad for assa

[acoustic cipher]

Hm

[drifting cloud]

because right after youre pumping for next 30s

[acoustic cipher]

I havent done that high level keys on my rogue yet to have a long boss fight

Maybe i get 2nd vendetta when boss is 10% so not worth using it

[sour wasp]

that might be it then

anytime the fight ends just as vendetta comes up is a big nono for assa

you hate to see it

[acoustic cipher]

Hm could be easily fixed in higher level keys then

But how is my st rotation should look like?

[sour wasp]

as any st rotation

[acoustic cipher]

With CDs cuz im nit sure when to use vendetta/vanish etc

Like i start the fight with garrote, garrote then rupture with 5 cp

Then i apply vendetta

[drifting cloud]

you should g r g opener

[acoustic cipher]

Then i spend my cp on envenom until i need to refresh garrote or rupture

[drifting cloud]

not a huge deal, just slightly better

[sour wasp]

g rup g iris (if you wanna use it for st but i wouldnt) vendetta tb envenom muti envenom etc.

[cobalt pelican]

bress toxic plade

[sour wasp]

save vanish for mobs for 3 garrrotes

[cobalt pelican]

it good button

[acoustic cipher]

Rup with 3 cp only?

[sour wasp]

yes

[acoustic cipher]

Hm

[sour wasp]

well it comes down to you not knowing st rotation, not even a m+ discussion

as toxic as that sounds

[deft nymph]

rupt with lower cp aren't really a problem since you get what y ou spent

[acoustic cipher]

Ye thats why im asking cuz ik im probably doing smth wrong with st

[deft nymph]

just keeps you from capping with the second garrote

[drifting cloud]

well just read the st guide with subterfuge talented

[acoustic cipher]

In the guide it has totally different stst prio for st than aoe

So im guessing thats a huge factor for lower dps on bosses

Also iris yeah

[drifting cloud]

not really

you lose way more from azerite traits, but thats just assa life

[acoustic cipher]

I mean ideally what traits do i wanna choose?

Cuz i see so many ppl running differenr stuff

[drifting cloud]

no point gearing for something that takes less than 10 min out of a 40 min dungeon

if its going to make you do alot less dmg the other 30min

[sour wasp]

well obviously your traits in m+ aren't the best for st

but that's normal

you just have to do good with what you have in those circumstances

[drifting cloud]

theres no correct answer for traits because its alot down to personal prefernces

but atleast 1 eb and usually atleast 2 ss is a good way to start

[acoustic cipher]

Yeah i have x3 ss x2 eb x1 ttf

[drifting cloud]

people will just give you the 2-2-2 cookie cutter answer

[sour wasp]

2/2/2 is ideal, you lack a ttk if we wanna talk that

[drifting cloud]

and its fine, I mean ilvl of the azerite matters aswell, so does the rest of your gear

[sour wasp]

but your main problem is rotational

[drifting cloud]

1-2 different azerite traits dont make a huge difference

[sour wasp]

the extra ttk will help your st sure

[drifting cloud]

unless you have 0 eb on fort week

[acoustic cipher]

Each choice as assa affects something else it seems not like there is 1 ideal build to chase

The extra ttf will help st but will lower aoe

How about essences?

Is bote that much better than iris?

[drifting cloud]

nah, its not

iris is more than fine on an alts where I assume you wont farm out 50k honor

[acoustic cipher]

Yeah but if i wanna push higher level keys

[drifting cloud]

iris is still fine, bote is really not that much better

if anything youre better of farming ap for 65 then before farming bote

[acoustic cipher]

I didnt even farm bote on my main

Lol

Screw that

And what minors do i wanna go for?

Currently i have lucid

[midnight flower]

First week of patch was ashran weekend. So many people skipped it and didn’t get the free rank 3 bote

[vernal fern]

Lucid + conflict, protocol on waycrest/underrot. Iris minor or condensed life force can be good as minor as well for ST dmg

for m+ that is

[drifting cloud]

"free"

you get it like 30% faster, thats not really free

[acoustic cipher]

Protocol as major u mean or minor?

[sour wasp]

if i have to do that ashran trash, it aint free

[vernal fern]

minor

[sour wasp]

it's actually pretty far from free in my books

[midnight flower]

Yeah it was free cause everyone who knew it was time to get bote was grinding it

[vernal fern]

as major i think always go for Bote or iris

[midnight flower]

Playing with people who want something vs not. Is night and day difference

[drifting cloud]

yeah I bet you magically farmed x3 more honor

[acoustic cipher]

Alright

[midnight flower]

Imagine having fun playing ashran cause everyone is playing it correctly

Casuals

[acoustic cipher]

Do you even play ashran? I thought it was lag simulation lol

5 fps

[midnight flower]

I guess you really haven’t played it if you think that’s still going on

[acoustic cipher]

Last time was 2 weeks ago

Never again

Maybe 3 weeks not sure

[midnight flower]

Oh my what a shame. Sorry you had to do that 😄

[drifting cloud]

just turn off your phone if you got nothing constructive to say

ty

[acoustic cipher]

Well if u like it then good for you mate

Nothing against u lol

Not everything is meant to be liked from everyone

[midnight flower]

Playing the game can be such a chore* 😆

[acoustic cipher]

Some ppl like pvp, some m+, some raids, etc

[midnight flower]

@drifting cloud don’t read your phone if it triggers you

[acoustic cipher]

Well he was being helpful in the community when i asked questions

Mind telling me what did u say here that was any useful?

[midnight flower]

Bote farming ashran week one was easy

[drifting cloud]

just ignore him and he will stop typing

[acoustic cipher]

Ok good for u man

Easy for u not easy for others

Now im out

Thank u guys a lot for your help

[midnight flower]

For the majority of us that farmed it

[acoustic cipher]

Much appreciated

Goodnight

[fading stag]

Is there a list/guide somewhere that has which benthic pieces to upgrade first?

[balmy cloak]

I would recommend using gear compare on Raidbots to see which piece will give you the most DPS for the manapearls when upgraded, but probably won't be a huge difference

[drifting cloud]

yeah theres barely any difference, maybe 100 dps between highest and lowest upgrades

[balmy cloak]

yea, was pretty trivial for me too

[fading stag]

ah okay, I have boots and wrists already, was just wondering between gloves and belt

[balmy cloak]

Hey so, I feel like this subject gets brought up a lot, but... toxic blade. Ideally you want to use it to go from 3/4 combo points to max so you can get as many envenoms in during the TB duration, correct?

[drifting cloud]

yes, but you should never delay it

and even using it a 5 cp is fine

[balmy cloak]

Does anyone else use it at max CB?

ah! nice, so the wasted CB isn't as much as the gains from more envenom

when you say never delay, like... make sure you smash in on CD? or no longer than 3 seconds?

[drifting cloud]

pretty much, you should play in a way that you are prepared for it when it comes off cd

its probably the only true skill req for assa

or what will make one the highest impacts on your overall dps assuming you know how to keep up dots and use cds

[balmy cloak]

right on, so my vanish usage is, get to 3-5 CB, Vendetta, TB, Vanish, Envenom, Mut, Envenom, that's optimal yea?

[exotic hearth]

Can someone look at my raid logs from last night and help me figure out what im doing wrong?\

[tiny granite]

Post them I'm sure someone will take a look

[exotic hearth]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PLjM8VgqF9tGCDwH/

Im Attius (obv). My sims say I should be at least 10k higher :/

[wintry mica]

any tips for orgozoa as sin, i have 2 EB, 3 DD, and have been rupturing all three adds and using fan as combo point builder outside of toxic blade

i assume its a loss to cast fan instead of muti while TB is up

[raven mica]

wtf focus boss

play like a sub rogue

[wintry mica]

not even worth it to dot the adds?

[lost horizon]

honestly this is just weird

[wintry mica]

yea its all i had with EB on it

my single target is 3 DD 2 NP 1 TTK which is what i was using originally

pretty much all the top parses have 2-3 EB though

[lost horizon]

if your raid doesn't need add damage just stick with ST build tbh

if it does... find a better set up, those DD traits are completely dead when adds are up

and they're up like the whole fight

[wintry mica]

yea, definitely not ideal setup

if im goin single target is it worth it to rupture the adds at all for the energy regen

[lost horizon]

you can get head from ashvane or sivara w/EB

and shoulders off radiance have EB as well

and yeah it's worth to rupture adds for regen

shouldn't need to hit all 3 unless using SoB

but legit if you're playing 2 EB and 3 DD

just stop and go back to ST

[wintry mica]

so just rupture 1 or 2 and then back to boss?

[lost horizon]

yeah, use the energy gain to funnel into boss

[wintry mica]

yea thats what i was doing originally

[lost horizon]

unless you have SoB then probably worth hitting em all

[wintry mica]

i could get SoB

and go to 3DD 1 NP SoB TTK

[lost horizon]

tbh not sure if it's worth, but probably better than 2nd NP

[balmy cloak]

what is SoB?

[wintry mica]

i just simmed and SoB is only like 400 dps loss on patchwerk apparently

so its prob worth

scent of blood

the rupture azerite trait

[vapid scarab]

You could just sim 4t patchwerk

[civic sentinel]

What's the first benthic piece to go for?

[civic palm]

Boots

[civic sentinel]

Ok that's what I was thinking, thanks.

[lament hedge]

Managed to pick up the Frothing Rage Shoulders tonight, I see in the logs that most rogues are using 1 Loyal to the End, I can't figure out why though. Could someone quickly explain why they are better than a second Nothing personal? Thanks.

[granite rampart]

loyal is a very good trait

while nothing personal isnt a great trait to stack compared to others

[lament hedge]

Because of mastery? Mastery is my lowest weighted stat, its really that good?

[granite rampart]

its my lowest rated too but the sheer amount of stats it gives makes it worth i guess. either way you should sim yourself with both traits

[lost horizon]

Make sure you sim with4 loyal allies as well

[bleak spoke]

Okay I kind of inted on zaqul

Like I got inted and then I inted and then when I stopped inting everyone inted together

The tentacles in delirium are actually invisible on lowest graphics I hate blizzard I hate blizzard I hate blizzard

[granite rampart]

crushing grasp or the other ones

[bleak spoke]

The square ones

[drifting cloud]

I play on lowest and im pretty sure they arent invis

unless its a projected textures thing

[bleak spoke]

Idk maybe it’s my color settings or panic or something but I’d requested to sit up until tonight and

[strange python]

if your using loyal you should check how many people are wearing it in raid, can change how many on a drop down menu on raidbots, it might sim low if you haven't done that, also you get a dps boost if someone dies

[bleak spoke]

Idk people left spawns on my delirium spot a few times

So I’d get in and die insta

Or get knocked out rather

Assuming those weren’t my fault

[granite rampart]

rip that happened a few times to us on prog. we just had our first group purposefully get hit by square tentacles to not have that happen

[bleak spoke]

Oh

Okay

Idk it got really weird in there a few times

[granite rampart]

yeah it can definitely be a little weird

[bleak spoke]

Especially with weird spawns outside

Man I think the fight could have been so fun if the overlaps weren’t so rng

[granite rampart]

I still think the fight is fun.

[bleak spoke]

I’m just annoyed cuz I shouldn’t have asked to sit the two nights of prog before tonight

Cuz like some of the early wipes were definitely me

[granite rampart]

ohh that’s always rough

[bleak spoke]

Though in the end on the tally I think I was at the bottom for getting hit by legit tentacles

I swapped outlaw for like ⅓ of the pulls cuz people don’t understand how to swap to adds apparently

And st sin makes you feel so helpless

[granite rampart]

just have 6 shadow priests PepeLaugh

[bleak spoke]

But I think that might have caused some issues too cuz we weren’t pushing and I was always pretty high on actual boss damage even when I only went in on second delirium wave (am also supposed to go in on the burn but we never got there)

So when we went fear realm and started wiping I swapped outlaw to blast the adds

[granite rampart]

wait so you don’t go down there for at least one echo?

[bleak spoke]

But then we’d miss overlaps by like 500k and idk if they knew but I felt like it was me

Yeah but I had cds lined so I’d have clf and coral for that

And that actually bursts fine

Not quite as hard as a real vendetta but like

You don’t really get a real vendetta in there and if you set up buffs and pre clf I think you hit the equivalent of an unlucky Tb window

Cuz the burst evens out around 14 seconds before outlaw drops off hard cuz no cycle for another bte fast

[granite rampart]

you can definitely get good vendettas down there

you may lose a few seconds of it at the end

[bleak spoke]

Yeah but I guess in my mind a good vendetta is like a qc double on use vendetta or an ashvane vendetta

Like there’s definitely excess damage

[granite rampart]

it takes some good timing for sure. On the first echo I use font 15secs before and pop coral stacks from the boss when it comes out

use font a little earlier for quicker use on coral

[bleak spoke]

And my line of thinking was I’d be able to bridge the remaining dps given we’d have another 2 rogues and some combo of mm spriest demo

Yeh

Kinda treat the vend Tb like a combust

[granite rampart]

lmao on my reclear this week I was down there with 2 locks and this guys infernal actually hit me for 600k

[bleak spoke]

And set up for overlapping font with coral

Loool

[granite rampart]

my lock infernald me xd

that’s not the best part either

[bleak spoke]

The infernal aura scales with haste

Big violent haha

[granite rampart]

the next pull he accidentally havoc’d the other lock down there and killed him 2 CBs

[bleak spoke]

Man he’s actually pvping

Lool

[granite rampart]

actual trolling

and then he was taken out of delirium group

[bleak spoke]

Look out for his accidental double mortal coil next week

[granite rampart]

lmfao gotta heal so he can stay down there longer

[bleak spoke]

Honestly you could probably coordinate some sick double cloak play with that

Or you could just not havoc friendlies xd

[granite rampart]

yeah xd

[bleak spoke]

Big meme

When it becomes reclear I’m definitely going to go for the full kidney blind on someone

[granite rampart]

LOL

blind won’t work since hysteria stack will break it

[bleak spoke]

If it’s a faster ima play subterfuge and do an iron wire garrote

If it’s a caster*

[granite rampart]

I kinda wanna pepega play sub on it and hit someone with a 300k evis

[bleak spoke]

The waycrest manor special

Still works btw even without shuriken combo I killed someone at the start of the season in a single evis when they got mcd haha

[granite rampart]

NV too strong

if it hasn’t been done by then yet, my next rekill of azshara next week I’ll play sub

be the first

[bleak spoke]

Man I’m sad sub didn’t make a comeback

Like it looked like it could potentially at the start of the season

Err tier rather

Cuz I thought it’d be good in raid

[granite rampart]

yeah I would’ve like it too, but it is what it is

[bleak spoke]

FeelsBlueNamesMan

[granite rampart]

there is a 2.7k io sub rogue in Korea keeping the dream alive. I’ve seen some of his clips and he does really good damage even in keys

[bleak spoke]

Is it grimzyo

[granite rampart]

yeah he’s nuts

[bleak spoke]

Man I’m glad at least 1 persons carrying the flag

I’ve long since turned into outlaw fotm for keys

[granite rampart]

I can’t stand outlaw. I quit that shit months ago in keys. probably why I’m only 2k atm and only got 2.8k in season 2

[bleak spoke]

Idk with outlaw it’s always been about everything but the rotation almost for me

Like everything you do outside of actually dosing

Dpsing *

[granite rampart]

I like outlaw aoe with wits and fluent it is, but man that single target

[bleak spoke]

It’s better now with more ilevels

And deeper strat on bosses

It’s competitive with most classes on st if you get out of burst windows

[granite rampart]

it’s not the damage, i just hate when your ss never procs

[bleak spoke]

And into that no man’s land of like 1:45 or 3:30 or something

Yeah that’s by far the worst bit of rng with outlaw

[granite rampart]

yeah it’s not rtb

[bleak spoke]

Even though muti crits are almost as rng it feels like infinitely better I think

Cuz there’s other buttons to press and worry about

[granite rampart]

muti just feels more consistent because in most cases your hitting 2 mutis to finish anyway

[bleak spoke]

With no dots to refresh and a clear defined rotation where there’s always a correct answer when the rng doesn’t favor you it feels a million times worse

[granite rampart]

yeah. to me the only super frustrating thing about assassination right now is MA rng

when you aren’t running bote

I love when I have 30% crit on my character +50% from MA, and I get 2 cps from muti and envenom doesnt crit

[bleak spoke]

Yeah that’s the most annoying bit

I think ma should have been 100% crit

[granite rampart]

yeah. I feel like they made it 50% just to piss us off

[bleak spoke]

Like +50% is so close to 100% in practice you just randomly annoy the shit out of the players once every 10-15 pulls

[granite rampart]

yeah. and then not give it to sub xD

[bleak spoke]

Man bring back crit tfd

That was fun

[granite rampart]

yeah I miss that too. but NV is fun to play with so I’m not too upset

[bleak spoke]

Yeh

[granite rampart]

imagine 2+ crit tfd + NV

[bleak spoke]

Insanity

[granite rampart]

that would be good, that would remove the crit rng from NV

[bleak spoke]

Blood of the enemy on that

And just giga stack mastery

[granite rampart]

g i g a

[bleak spoke]

Anyway going to try to forget about the pulls I inted, maybe we’ll actually kill it and get to azshara tomorrow D:

[granite rampart]

GL

[warm harbor]

how do y'all sim for orgoza? hectic add 4mins?

[bronze kelp]

i just sim ssingle target ^^

[winter moss]

4 target patchwork

you will always have 4 targets present

but if your job is to blast the boss as sin you prolly want to go st

[deft nymph]

would it at least be worth running subt

to garrote up the adds or nah

[winter moss]

whats your job on the fight

st

or padpad

i wouldnt consider it worth running subt but logs are mixed tho and it depends what your job is

[robust spire]

Hello, guys My gear 435 and raid trinket. My Mythic+ dps 28~29K ass. Is it good enough to play or need to improve? btw i have 2 ss 2 twist 1 np 1 echo azerite

[modest tendon]

You could also go for a 222 build and envenom pump into the boss for the best of both worlds but that would be really shitty compared to outlaw, it’s probably best to either go pure ST or pure aoe and go 3eb and a mix of SoB and ss

[robust spire]

435 430 dagger and necklace lvl 60

[modest tendon]

You should aim for an average of 40k in m+ as a benchmark

[winter moss]

i mean as said mixture of almost everything

[modest tendon]

What Azerite traits do you have for m+?

[winter moss]

purification protocol minor is giga for gorgon

[robust spire]

i have 2 ss 2 twist 1 np 1 echo azerite and Condensed Life-Force lvl 3 lucid lvl 1

tier 2 over power 2 elemental whirl 1

[modest tendon]

Blood or focussing iris are best major essences

[robust spire]

i go to 10 or 12 mythic lvl

[deft nymph]

main rogue gets boots twice that don't get worn

[modest tendon]

Your traits are ok, my advice would be to try and get 3ss 3eb

And then swap in ttks as needed

[deft nymph]

wrong chat lul

[robust spire]

yeah. I got it. btw i have focussing iris lvl 3 . is it better than blood or condence?

[modest tendon]

Ooo people go MA for orgazoa

[robust spire]

condense, sorry

[modest tendon]

Ye condense is shit in m+

What makes blood so good is it does a lot of aoe damage and single target damage, I use it for everything

Iris is better on bigger pulls, it’s pretty easy to find as well

[robust spire]

yeah, in my realm. it is very difficult to join pvp instance

so then maybe i better use focussing iris

[modest tendon]

Are you min maxing for crit/mastery as well?

I have about 41% crit right now

[robust spire]

If i go to mythic lvl 10~13, many dps gap between blood and focussing iris?

[modest tendon]

No

They should be about the same

It’s just iris does less single target

So this week blood is especially good

[robust spire]

no actually i do not have mythic set. my stat crit 27, haste 22, mastery 36 vers 3.6

[modest tendon]

Too much haste, haste is great for raiding but shit for m+

I have 4% haste for example

Just get as much crit as possible

[winter moss]

how many op traits do you have?

[robust spire]

op 2 ew 1

@modest tendon okay thanks a lot. master

[winter moss]

hasterange should be somewhat 4-8% to not be a useless brick on bosses

crit above 33% asap

rest mastery

[robust spire]

yeah

you mean in mythic+?

[winter moss]

gemerl stat prio crit => mastery > vers > haste

[robust spire]

or including raiding

[winter moss]

m+ alone

[robust spire]

okay

maybe i should more farm in mythic+ and raid

[winter moss]

you should

also to safe you reforge costs

[modest tendon]

Well I’d say 11% and below is fine, having infinite energy with 4 bleeds when spamming fok is quite nice

[winter moss]

with lucid minor haste gets davalued aswell in m+ so idk about the 11%

id consider everything under 8% to be okay

with 2 op traits ofc

[modest tendon]

There are a lot of factors involved though, when I go 11% haste my overall damage is barely affected

Crit is where most of your damage comes from, ss does good damage even with low mastery

[robust spire]

well noted

Btw, if i use focussing iris in general. Can I get good dps in mythic+? regardless of mythic+ affixes

+lucid dream maybe as my necklace lvl still 70

60

[lofty viper]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[winter moss]

@robust spire yes, lucid major is very good in every week or affix

because you have the minor aswell and a on demand annihilation button

[robust spire]

@winter moss yeah, so i go with focussing lvl 3 major + lucid lvl 1 minor

maybe it is the best due to i do not have blood

[winter moss]

do you dailies in naz and get that r3 lucid aswell

[robust spire]

yeah, it is boring but i will try, hahah

thanks man

[winter moss]

you're welcome

and yeah its boring asheck but

im doing on alt too

[robust spire]

you got blood assence?

[winter moss]

yes

atm im playing blood+lucid+purification protocoll

[robust spire]

yeah, conglats haha

[light grove]

What up my pro rogues

How them crits treating you

[winter moss]

grand wbu

[light grove]

Grand :)

[heavy bloom]

!Essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[balmy quest]

how many targets with 3 EB does it take before spamming FoK is better than using envenom?

[scarlet sequoia]

oh nvm before envenom rofl

[balmy quest]

not mut lol

[scarlet sequoia]

mhm

u prolly wanna keep up envenom buff anyways

[rigid mango]

@balmy quest 5

[balmy quest]

thanks!

[prime geode]

when using blood of the enemy on o pack in m+ do I spame fok after it or it's better to weave in a envenom in as well ?

[rigid mango]

Depends what you need in the moment

if you need prio damage, you envenom

if you're aoe'ing, fok spam

[modest glen]

after an hour of simming , i guess stacking mastery with 5 gems gives me the highest sim. 29% crit 23% haste and 34% mastery 2 vers. even though other rogues i know are just stacking haste or crit. am i missing something here boys or just stick to my highest sims?

[scarlet sequoia]

you have low mastery

[modest glen]

i figured as much damnit

thanks dude really appreciate it

[scarlet sequoia]

np

[vast forum]

Stats depend on other factors like essences and traits too

[tropic ocean]

raz with the big advice 😄

[scarlet sequoia]

you know it

[modest tendon]

I’ve never seen someone having low mastery before, I almost have too much, it makes getting a solid outlaw build quite difficult haha

[mystic vault]

My raid leader wants me to hold vendetta for 2nd hulk on Azshara. I can't find any logs of other rogues doing the same. Is it ok to do that or should I protest?

how do you make up the damage on 2nd hulk?

yeah ofc but as it is we are barely making it with my vendetta

I guess other people are slacking on it

[scarlet sequoia]

if you use cds on 2nd hulk youre fucked for timings the rest of the fight

tell him to find dmg somewhere else

[mystic vault]

aight thanks

[tropic ocean]

if u have 2 rogues

use kidney to kidney with prey on the weak talent

gives u 12 sec of 10% dmg inc

[scarlet sequoia]

hulk cant be ccd for more than 10 seconds

[tropic ocean]

the buff applies never the less

for full duration

[scarlet sequoia]

true

[ember rover]

I would say to talk to your RL and tell him that rogues can't use vendetta for that.

Azshara has a very strict timing window transition from P2 to P3.

You need vendetta there 100% and then again on Venomtongue add.

If you use it on hulk, you won't have it for either azshara or the venomtongue add.

[amber arrow]

Make sure everyone is holding resources for the hulk

Ur gonna stop dps for another set of orbs anyways so no reason not to

[mystic vault]

we only have one rogue but I'll tell him that, thanks for feeding me with some arguments

[ember rover]

You can offer this as argument:

Over the course of 30 or so tries.

And our venomtongue add BARELY dies.

[final dust]

@tropic ocean Where did u find he info for the buff still being applied for kidney shot

[tropic ocean]

by using 2 kidney shots on the hulk

[final dust]

Do u have like a log to show this?

[tropic ocean]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GHmxP89j3XM4dZVD#fight=28&type=auras&spells=debuffs&hostility=1&ability=255909

[rigid mango]

Imagine not using IB to boost own damage

IB is dps gain

[ember rover]

Just dont kidney it at all 😄

Ask for hunter binding shot.

They lose no DPS by doing that.

And it's an 8s stun

[royal lantern]

its a root, not a stun

[ember rover]

Since the add does nothing, no melee no anything, you can consider it a stun.

Since it just stays there.

[royal lantern]

you expect a hunter too do something productive?

you play rogue, embrace your roll as a mechanic slave

[ember rover]

The way we do it in my guild: Have 1 hunter do binding shot on it, then 2 seconds into binding I do max CP Kidney so that add gets the 10% dmg debuff.

So even with hunter binding, I`m still slave.

Pala HoJ = no 10% DMG buff.

[royal lantern]

you play IB anyway

[ember rover]

Add doesn't die in a few seconds in my guild 😄

Sometimes it even reaches platform and almost completes cast.

[junior flume]

if you Kidney for damage buff, it doesn't matter if you do a 1 or 5 cp kidney does it? Prey lasts 6 sec regardless, no?

With a hunter binding shotting it ofc, otherwise you'll want the stun duration as well

[ember rover]

You're gonna make the add immune to CC

After kidney ends.

So you want it to be 5CP as to last 6s.

If you do 1CP Kidney, it last 2s and the add will sprint to platform.

[junior flume]

We have a hunter using binding shot on it, and I kidney asap for the debuff

[ember rover]

Ye, and after your kidney ends, the hulk becomes immune to CC and breaks out of whatever duration of binding shot there is.

[junior flume]

Alright awesome, wasn't sure how the interaction between the two worked out. Is there a reason at all for a hunter to binding shot it then? If the cc only lasts the duration of my kidney?

[ember rover]

It lasts 2s more.

Hunter binding is 8s, kindey is 6s. You want to use full kidney 2s into hunter binding.

[junior flume]

Ah of course, yea that makes sense, should have picked up on that 😄 Thanks for clarifying

[tropic ocean]

The way we do it in my guild: Have 1 hunter do binding shot on it, then 2 seconds into binding I do max CP Kidney so that add gets the 10% dmg debuff.
So even with hunter binding, I`m still slave.

this is bad

if hunter already binding it no point in using max cp kidney

as the buff is max duration regardless of cp

ArianaToday at 2:37 PM
just have a pala hoj 🤷
no one cares
add dies in a few seconds anyway

thats a pretty bad advice for someone in a raid where rl wants rogue to vendetta hulk cuz they cant kill it

🤷

[mystic vault]

so the add doesn't become cc immune when kidney ends like adrian said?

[upbeat geode]

as far as i know it becomes immune 10 sec after spawning

[mystic vault]

we had binding breaking halfway through on a few attempts

[upbeat geode]

i swap to it, rupture it use 2 mutilates and kidney it then, this way it shows where its headed before getting stunned and i get more dmg on it

[mystic vault]

I didn't want to waste combo points so I just did a 1 cp kidney

but as I said sometimes the binding broke but I can't figure out why

if it's my fault or someone else using a random cc

[upbeat geode]

do you stun before the binding?

[mystic vault]

no

[upbeat geode]

then its prob someone else (most likely the hunter)

[tropic ocean]

the immunity is not time based

it can be cc'd for a maximum of 10s

so u can do binding+kidney

or 2x kidney

kidney is the best option as of the 10% dmg buff

[balmy cloak]

Do you not want to take more than 1 Nothing Personal? Seeing a lot of top rogues that take a lesser power instead of 2 NPs

[scarlet sequoia]

whats a lesser power

[tropic ocean]

they just take whats giving them the most dps

np loses value beyond the first trait in comparison to other traits

[deft nymph]

the extra energy is a big part of NP

[tropic ocean]

however in some circumstances I'd take np over bbi as it is on demand dmg compared to proc

[deft nymph]

but it's still an ok trait beyond 1

[rigid mango]

It's more than ok

It's one of the best

Just that some pieces have mediocre other traits with NP on them

that makes NP seem worse than it actually is

[stiff vortex]

in m+
@ how many targets i use FoK ? And is there a number of Targets where i only use FoK (with 4 bleeds) and dont use my Combopoints? Just spamming?

[winter moss]

FoK*

and 3+

[stiff vortex]

lul its the german NIFE u know 😄

[winter moss]

at 7-8+ just spam

im austrian so hell naw bro

[stiff vortex]

so 7-8 i only care for bleeds right? should i aim for more bleeds than ? feels wired dont use combo points

[winter moss]

5 bleeds should suffice to not starve energy

[stiff vortex]

ahh so 4 bleeds are more for prio target aoe?

[winter moss]

you will be casting some foks b2b but as soon some targets die you will noticed that you become energy negative again

[rigid mango]

You fok at 2t+ and mongo fok at 5+ if you have no prio target

[winter moss]

trust what zine says.

[stiff vortex]

oki 😄

but thx anyway

[winter moss]

yw

[cobalt pelican]

i still think keeping elaborate planning up for the duration of shrouded garrotes is worth it but i'm too lazy to do the math

so i just alternate whether i do it or not in dungeons

the best of both worlds

[stiff vortex]

soo there comes a other question up when i see 2t FoK, will i do it in raid too?

[cobalt pelican]

only if you have echoing blades and no double dose

[stiff vortex]

ahh kay

[rigid mango]

fok at 2 with eb, 3 with nothing 4-5+ with DD

[stiff vortex]

and lets think we doing a GIGA pull is it good to bring on 3x garrot vanish 3x garrot ... spam FoK?

[rigid mango]

If you're doing an insane size pull you're better of going g g g rup fok rup and then mongo fok

[stiff vortex]

okay thx you 🙂 must say in the last 24h the assa discord helped me A LOT ! 😄

[winter moss]

help here?

[rigid mango]

Would never happen

[ember rover]

@tropic ocean the reason for the max CP Kidney is to not make it CC immune.

If you do 2s Kidney over the hunter binding, the hunter binding ends 6s earlier.

[tropic ocean]

why would you binding it if u kidney it anyways

[ember rover]

Binding lasts 8s, kindey lasts 6s.

If you just kidney, total CC duration is 6s.

If you kidney 2s after binding starts, you still get full 8s of CC.

[tropic ocean]

you can cc the add for a max duration of 10s afaik

so if u do 8s-2s

or 6s-4s

wont matter

we use 2x kidney and it works fine

[ember rover]

The add becomes immune when 1st CC ends, mate,.

[dense cedar]

Is worldvein simming correctly for sin rogue?

[tropic ocean]

yeah thats why u chain it into the running cc

6s kidney, next kidney on 1s left

full duration cc

[ember rover]

What if you don't have 2 rogues?

[tropic ocean]

then I'd kidney first