assassination

[severe bough]

hmm

it seems that we do, barely, if everyone saves litterally everything for first shield break

[kind cliff]

hero and pot with CDs after second shield break and its pretty easy with the right group

[severe bough]

second shield break is ez

problem is first break and consistnetly letting her on 55-58%

ottherwise it's no bueno

[shy dust]

Hey anyone mind looking over our rogues log for M ashvane and see whats going wrong?
Using 2 phase strat for referrence
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gTm31JCHwPqyGR9z#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=5&view=timeline

[woeful minnow]

you have a 99% parser in the same raid lol, why aren't they talking

[shy dust]

Im not particularly good at reviewing logs.

Id rather someone else do it.

[obtuse ruin]

Do you guys use dungeon slice for m+ summing or is there a better way to sim?

[woeful minnow]

I'm honestly not finding anything particularly egregious in his ability usage

his opener is good

he got briny bubbled 3 times though

I'll let someone else go through the entire timeline to find mistakes but nothing screams bad to me

[arctic walrus]

he got bubbled 3 times and cutter 7 times

poor guy

nvm he got knocked up 7 times

[woeful minnow]

lol

[sterile ocean]

should i use the coral trinket on cd or dont use it?

[shy dust]

i dont see any rotational mistakes though

[woeful minnow]

!coral

[prisma monolith]

The way to use coral in M+ is using it on your priority target,
and then whenever that target dies, reapply it to your next target.
Whenever your target dies it gives you the crit it would give from using it,
so consuming the stacks for crit mid pack is generally suboptimal.

[woeful minnow]

oh that's the wrong one

[shy dust]

Just bad rng with abilities im guessing?

[woeful minnow]

check the pins

[sterile ocean]

i was gonna say for in raids

cause i use it the stacks go off

[arctic walrus]

He gets knocked up a lot

he needs to watch his feet

[shy dust]

Aight thanks for the help Vel!

[sterile ocean]

looks like use it with vendetta

[woeful minnow]

yes

[arctic walrus]

@shy dust just by going through ability log, he had 3 moments where he had 0 instances of any damage for 10 seconds

that's 30 seconds of doing nothing, because I'm assuming it was either bubbles or a knock up

[shy dust]

yeah im trying to look at replay

to see if he got bubbled or something

[distant hound]

mfw force multiplier is simming less now

for me at least

[arctic walrus]

ye that happens

@shy dust so his problem was just getting bubbled 3 times actually

However, he is choosing not to cloak off the debuff

I'm assuming he saved it for a big bubble burst? But he can survive any damage with feint + pot, and should be saving cloak for bubbles

[bleak spoke]

Mannnnn the third shield came up like 4 times with nearly nothing on the boss including one pull I actually was at 51k

Wouldn’t have been enormous but would have still been a decent rank zzz

[shy dust]

Yeah I saw on the replay he did get bubbled 3 times

[bleak spoke]

I hate this game

[shy dust]

Ill just tell him to save cloak more for the bubble

[bleak spoke]

@dark crag

@arctic walrus when do you font/coral on ashvane

I tried several different timings but results were inconclusive

Cuz random cutters/weird bubble placements

[rigid mango]

We do 2 phase strat

[bleak spoke]

Can’t seem to figure if I font so I can coral bottom 10 or bottom 5s of vendetta

[arctic walrus]

I feel like it depends on how fast you push shield phases

[bleak spoke]

On the kill pull tonight I never hit coral on first shield break which was some monkaS

[rigid mango]

I just font'd during first break, coral during tb after 1st vend

[bleak spoke]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jKPtFrHYDzZyaWA6#fight=28&type=damage-done

[rigid mango]

And then everything together later

[arctic walrus]

I did coral/inkpod last week lol oops

[bleak spoke]

2 pulls before that I was flying though

Only 1 dd feels so hecking strange man

[arctic walrus]

you only coraled on your last vendetta?

[bleak spoke]

I didn’t hit the button

I need to change the keybind

It’s on alt f, my Tb is f and my vanish is shift f it’s a hecking mess

[arctic walrus]

well I attempt to follow the sequence in tc updates

or at least how I think it's meant to be

[bleak spoke]

I did it right in the pulls prior to the kill pull

[arctic walrus]

sec let me find

[bleak spoke]

Or at least I think I did it right

Like the tc says up to 10s before vendetta you can font

But on different fights it feels wrong at different times kinda

[arctic walrus]

just as an example 2 weeks ago

I font at 59

clf at the end of the cast

63

[bleak spoke]

Oh

So you do dots before donating

Fonting

[arctic walrus]

vendetta at 71

[bleak spoke]

What an autocorrect

Wait

Oh cuz clf is long cd too

[arctic walrus]

this is easier

[bleak spoke]

And then you coral on tb

[bleak spoke]

Alright yeh I see it that way your rupture and garrote ride through most of vendetta

[arctic walrus]

I don't know if this is correct so yeah

[bleak spoke]

Kinda like on an opener

[civic palm]

That's right.

[arctic walrus]

dope

[civic palm]

👌

[arctic walrus]

[civic palm]

Kick for posterity.

[arctic walrus]

kick for stupid mecha ring that I don't have anymore

[civic palm]

lol

[bleak spoke]

Oh for the proc chance

Man that’s big cheez

[placid mulch]

So close boys

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7Wau8cvF1eHDaAvdh7kdMp

[arctic walrus]

I need neck 68 to get 53k without any upgrades

[placid mulch]

at least you've got a goal

[icy ember]

hey how bad are gold-tassled epaulets, the shoulders, for ST dps... prolly dd/tradewind+shrouded... how bad is tradewinds?

[placid mulch]

depends on alternative

[icy ember]

well shrouded is the alternative

but this is for ST dps

[placid mulch]

I mean your alternative shoulders

[icy ember]

oh

gorak tuls 420

it gained like 400dps on sim

but just wondering how bad tradewinds is, it seems pretty decent

it is just below DITB lol

[placid mulch]

its better than gorak 420 but worse than gorak 435 if you've got 450 epaulets

[icy ember]

ye, just a weakass piece, i also have venture co's chestpiece, i'm working on the subpar sin rogue

[placid mulch]

epaulets are pretty good m+ tho

[icy ember]

.<

i don't run sin in M+, i run outlaw

the game is pushing me towards running sin, last week i got pistoleer's shoulders

in m+ anyway

[placid mulch]

if it sims best then do it, you can just bank on the fact that there's better you 'can' get

[rigid mango]

Tradewinds isn't terrible

But it aint great either

[obsidian sandal]

does anyone know if theres a way to change ur spec on raidbots

[arctic walrus]

In your simc string there's a line towards a top

[obsidian sandal]

oh okay! thanks

[crisp hollow]

which dungeons would be the best to spam for socketed rings? Was thinking siege cuz it has 2 with good stats

[rigid mango]

If u want less cancer, wcm has crit vers and haste vers, ur has haste mast and fh has crit haste

[bronze kelp]

sots has high crit + mastery ^^

[fierce pivot]

Does vendetta increase the dmg of cyclotronic?

[solid nova]

No

[fierce pivot]

so opner should be something like, garrote > rupture > cyclonic > vanish > garrote > vd > rotation

[ember pulsar]

It depends

[fierce pivot]

On SS or NP?

[ember pulsar]

You open with garrote if you have ss and sub talented

Garrote > Rapture > Garrote

[fierce pivot]

What if your stacking NP?

[ember pulsar]

With MA Muti > Rap > Muti

[rigid mango]

You shouldn't open like that ever

Cyclo is when you're outside of all cds, dont need to refresh and have low energy

That's when you cyclo

Stacking NP doesn't matter

[ember pulsar]

You still get energy just from one

[fierce pivot]

Cool thanks!

wait doesnt stacking NP increase the dot dmg it does?

[ember pulsar]

Yes

[rigid mango]

It does

[ember pulsar]

It does

[rigid mango]

Doesn't affect how you play though

[fierce pivot]

roger that

[ember pulsar]

Guys Could you help me with performing as Assassination. I probably can play sin but i want to perform as best as i can. My guild is struggling at Orgozoa and I want to do my best as sin. There are some of my logs https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AznLrHhdQPDbXjRW https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XQhBqCf1yDAWM7J3https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Fqhn6Jz2atyZdXKv
Maybe you will find something that i can't that will help me improve

I can post my sim too but 45k is pretty sad for me especially when you post something around 50k

[rigid mango]

@ me now and I'll come back and take a look at it this afternoon when I come home

[ember pulsar]

@rigid mango

[winter moss]

im onto it

@ember pulsar i mean you are aware that sims will never get close to real performance

unless you have 100% uptime behind the boss, not getting hit by mechanics

[ember pulsar]

I am doing my best to stay behind target

It's pretty easy on Orgozoa or Ashvane

[winter moss]

yeah and imo the only thing that keeps you from that juicy orange logs are killtimes

[ember pulsar]

But Sivara is probably around 50% and Radiance

[winter moss]

which you dont have a major influence in

i mean you parsed 96 on sivara

which is pretty darn good

[ember pulsar]

Thanks? 😄

[winter moss]

point being: you play your rogue pretty solid

[bronze kelp]

on that perf level its most of the times the kill time and crit RNG

[ember pulsar]

Yeah i feel that rng

[winter moss]

in terms to the 50k sims

[ember pulsar]

I feel like my every bleed crits but any muti

[winter moss]

are you 65 yet

[ember pulsar]

yeeeeah

I know

63 😄

[winter moss]

you're azerites are good aswell

maybe get gorak

[ember pulsar]

I am trying

[winter moss]

and replace heroic shroud of upmooring whispers with the mythic one

but all in all a good geared character

[ember pulsar]

I am poor decision maker and i rolled around 15 shoulders 430

I guess 10 were shoulders from Tol Dagor

[winter moss]

the orgo shoulders on mythic are decent also

[ember pulsar]

Well those with tradewinds 445 are around 300 dps better than Gorak 430 in sims

I mean worse

[winter moss]

BBI is a big boost

the amount of crit you get is insane and ppm is good also

[ember pulsar]

NVM

Finally got lucky 😄

[bronze kelp]

meh .... got goraks today, and dont know if i should use them for raid or for m+. hate it to reforge

[winter moss]

430 tho

[ember pulsar]

I know

But NEVER LUCKY

[winter moss]

i know

[ember pulsar]

I have never got them since uldir

[bronze kelp]

i guess goraks are better placed in ST gear :/

hope i get my coral today

[ember pulsar]

I am struggling with one more problem and i don't want to depend everything on sim

I have been using Dead-eye 440 and font 440

Today i got galecaller 440 with socket

And i don't know what i should use

Sim say galecaller + font

[winter moss]

gaycaller is very limiting your movement

if you cant stand in it 100% i would not use it

sims are good and all but you gotta turn on the old brainmachine. sim traps are everywhere

[ember pulsar]

BBl and Dead-eye are random crit procs

So this is going to be interesting

[winter moss]

crit

if all fails

go for coral

• font

[ember pulsar]

If i got one

[winter moss]

[ember pulsar]

I am probably first in queue for it

[winter moss]

maybe this week is the week

keep your hopes up bud

i got mine

after 5 weeks

[ember pulsar]

Our paladin is monster so he got first coral

[winter moss]

and only because other player already had it on 430

i mean there is really nothing you can do wrong as ret. you only can overcap the palapoints

[ember pulsar]

Still

He is pretty good

[winter moss]

not to say that he is bad or something just a statement that imo ret is a very ez class

perfect for us sin player ngl

[ember pulsar]

Oh I forgot to say. Thanks for help

[winter moss]

you're welcome

[pliant wing]

Hi everyone, was wondering how u guys use ur titan residum ? pray the god and roll for random 445 or buy the one you need ?

[shut pasture]

gold tasseled epaulets>gorak thuls?

or nah

[ember pulsar]

Gorak better

Waaait ST or M+?

[primal egret]

first 445 azerite lottery. Should I go for head/chest/shoulder?

[shut pasture]

muhplus

[winter moss]

depends on stats

@pliant wing sim it

[ember pulsar]

EB + SS is pretty good but eb is stronger with larger packs

[pliant wing]

How am i simming this ? if more than 3 shoulder is good i go roll ?

[winter moss]

head to raidbots.com

droptimizer and sim all azerite caches

it recommends the cache tha may bring you the biggest upgrade

[pliant wing]

the best are shoulder, but should i roll 445 random or wait for the one i need ?

[shut pasture]

roll

[ember pulsar]

Well if you feel lucky

[shut pasture]

if you wait you're gonna wait like

7 weeks

[ember pulsar]

You have like 1/3 for good shoulders

[pliant wing]

i mean 5/6 shoulder are pretty good for ST or MM+

[rigid mango]

There are like, 2 really good ones for either iirc

Can't member 5/6 tho

[ember pulsar]

ST or M+ maybe

Maybe 5

[pliant wing]

Ye 2 are BIS, 3 are pretty decent, 1 sucks

i need both st or mm+ so i hope im not gonna get the only one that suck 😄

[ember pulsar]

Gold-Tasseled and Gorak are pretty good

For both

[pliant wing]

yup thats my goal 😄

[winter moss]

a wise man once said man up an roll for the good shit

[ember pulsar]

Just try to roll maybe it's your day

[shut pasture]

from 2 season of M+

I rolled for many characters

majority got bis within 3 rolls

some got bis from 1st or 2nd

[pliant wing]

5/6 are good, i hope rng jesus is not gonna let me down

[ember pulsar]

5/6 are good 2/6 are probably great

[pliant wing]

yup

[shut pasture]

is Blightborne really THAT good

for all rogue specs

[ember pulsar]

If you get the worst one it's still good for mythic Orgozoa 😄

[young portal]

Shoulders of the Sanguine Monstrosity are the shit ones?

[pliant wing]

ye already have it 430

[ember pulsar]

Yeah

[pliant wing]

yes

[young portal]

Thought so, got them twice in a row

[pliant wing]

😄

[young portal]

Insta scrap😂

[rigid mango]

@shut pasture for outlaw and sin, yah

[pliant wing]

is TTK underrated on herodamage for m+ ?

[rigid mango]

Yep

[pliant wing]

so the priority is SS > EB/TTK ?

[rigid mango]

You need 1 ss eb to function in m+

After that, any mix

2/2/2 is pretty good for every scenario

[pliant wing]

alright, NP is also good or far behind from these 3 ?

[rigid mango]

Nah, a bit behind

Has niche uses in v high tyr keys

But wouldn't even recommend there

[pliant wing]

ok thanks 🙂

[simple meteor]

is it worth vision with x3 np and 0 haste items for zaqul any tried that build?

[rigid mango]

You never run vision

Not major.

[bronze kelp]

hm.... the opener with bote was "m r m g bote vend tb van env" or am i wrong ?

to have the whole tb window profit from bote

cause simc sample sequence is bote after vendetta and tb

[rigid mango]

It's tb>bote iirc

[bronze kelp]

hm... so use bote after tb ?

[rigid mango]

Yah

Think so, equip it and do a quick sim, check what the apl does

[bronze kelp]

also sim uses bote at 0:05 and as second use at 2:41, ig uees to line it up

[rigid mango]

With MA it might be wack

[bronze kelp]

cant quick sim atm :/ at work

[rigid mango]

Should be using bote with each vend

[ember rover]

BotE should be used before vanish, if you have MA.

Literally last GCD before Vanish.

[bronze kelp]

hm... okay

thanks for the help 🙂

[remote orbit]

Whats the best sim site? Taking notes

[viscid lichen]

on lady ashvane do I save my vendetta for breaking the 1st shield

[sudden ocean]

You do what your raid lead tells you

[distant lava]

You sim on raidbots

[sudden ocean]

I'll sim u idiot

and get a higher number than mine

[distant lava]

I was answering a question della wtf

[sudden ocean]

Answer my question then

[distant lava]

Which was ?

[bronze kelp]

lol della

[lethal heart]

@fast nacelle im actually the worst like you

gambled cepha week ago into goraktuls now

[fast nacelle]

i did the same but begining of progress

back to back both first attempt

[lethal heart]

yee we're still progressing so still counts 😄

[fast nacelle]

:D

[lethal heart]

maybe today tho 👀

[fast nacelle]

pog

[lethal heart]

13% last week, more people gonna get 65 now

but yea not issue of neck levels, just misplays obv

[fast nacelle]

meanwhile me grinding vanilla dungeons

[quasi pewter]

[ember rover]

@viscid lichen tell your raid leader that you want to use your CDs on pull on first shield, as it will line up with 2nd shield and then again with 2nd burst phase.

[distant lava]

It depends on your comp

Its not about topping the meters its about killing the boss

[ember rover]

I found out that my raid struggled with breaking 2nd shield optimally, so me having vendetta for the start of 2nd shield actually helped my raid a fuckton.

[arctic walrus]

Ashvane is not a "one fight fits all" kind of fight. It largely depends on what you're planning to do as a whole

[shut garnet]

yo, so with coral

should i use it in my opener just after vendetta and then remove it when the 2nd vendetta comes around?

i have read the pin just not sure what it means^^^

[lethal heart]

do you use azshara trinket aswell

[shut garnet]

nope

just coral

[lethal heart]

or coral is your only on use

then yea use it insantly on pull

and then 'gather' stacks around your 2nd vendetta

[shut garnet]

so then when 2nd vendetta comes around i go

[lethal heart]

ye

[shut garnet]

vendetta coral (to pull) toxic blade then rotation?

tyvm

[bronze kelp]

coral is not on the gcd, so you can trigger it on pull with your first cast

or am i wrong ?

[shut garnet]

wdym?

[frozen karma]

Just macro it with Vendetta really

[solid nova]

Coral is not on the gcd, correct

[bronze kelp]

i meant for the initial cast of coral you can cast it immediatly on pull with your first skill, so you apply it 4-5 secs earlier, but i guess that doesnt really matter

[sudden ocean]

[shut garnet]

o and also, assuming the fight takes longer than 3mins 30 or something, what would coral usage look like then

1st cast on opener, 2nd cast to pull on 2nd vendetta, then instantly cast again once it comes off cd and save for 3rd vendetta?

[dark crag]

If you get a 3rd vendetta yes, else i use it before the fight ends and cover tb with it

[bright smelt]

finally

[balmy bridge]

/wa

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[bright smelt]

Am I crazy or something? I really don't get why my versa sims so high https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kwRY4RcwXoNPcroPEr8e87

[dark crag]

Its 0.03 over mastery

Zero point zero three

I sim 50k and all stats are really close to each other

[ember rover]

It's because you have 2 trinkets that give crit and also use CLF.

CLF changes value of Crit, and the 2 trinkets decrease it even further.

[dark crag]

Clf favors haste but its not really decreasing crit

[ember rover]

It favors haste and versa.

[scarlet sequoia]

why would clf decrease the value of crit

[ember rover]

It's not that it's decreasing crit, it's that the value of both haste and versa goes up, while crit stays the same, so overall still makes it have a difference.

I edited to say it changes.

[scarlet sequoia]

pretty sure crit value goes up with clf

did for me at least

[ember rover]

Basically, let's say crit, haste and versa are all valued at 1 without CLF.

When I equip CLF, the value of crit stays 1, but haste goes to 1.05 and versa like 1.01

So even though crit stays the same, haste is better than it was before.

[scarlet sequoia]

haste went down for me with clf

[ember rover]

??

[scarlet sequoia]

well you get haste from clf

[ember rover]

The minor is hasted.

Without CLF, mastery is my best stat.

With CLF, haste is.

[scarlet sequoia]

crazy

idk

definitely a sim yourself here

cus haste is my 2nd worst stat and i only have 23%

[dark crag]

Clf lucid iris, crit > mastery = haste > versa for me

[scarlet sequoia]

correction, haste is my worst stat

[ember rover]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/riUSsiVCAbRqJjLGMR9gDW

BotE

Vs

CLF

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jNzvMmTVYqct8qigTCmHM6

[cobalt pelican]

i mean

one also has iris..

which is like 500 free haste

[scarlet sequoia]

ah yes

why u running pp

speculation here

and u also only have 17%

definitely the reason haste is so high for you

[cobalt pelican]

stat weights is a fickle mistress that's why i never bother even looking

and i've not put vers gems in my top gear sim once this tier

heheheh

[ember rover]

I was swapping between cleave add and st, since I was simming for Azshara.

Where you have an add up like most of the fight.

In last phase.

[scarlet sequoia]

think the move on azshara is bote major lucid and conflict minor

[ember rover]

That is correct.

Best results I had with BotE since you have to actually not cast the elemental from CLF until burn phase.

So you lose like 1 minute on it.

BotE is a lot more flexible for Azshara.

[scarlet sequoia]

mhm

[lethal heart]

bote suits the fight the best

kind of

[ember rover]

I think best way to sim azshara is to sim Cleave add, to be honest. Which returns me Crit and Mastery being way ahead of anything else.

[cold stream]

On Orgozoa mythic, would it be a single target increase to rupture the adds? My job is just to pump the boss.

[ember rover]

Yes, you pump adds.

You need to have 5 bleeds rolling, ideally.

2 on boss, and one rupture on each.

Or even 2 on boss, 1 rupture and garrote on one, and a rupture on another.

That way you won't have to actually pump all 3 adds.

[severe bough]

^

I made a build which served me well for prog

Before i got 445 divers anyways

3x TTK 3xEB

You played it applying at least rupture on everything, garrote on boss and maybe 1 add

[ember rover]

I think Orgozoa is a fight where scent of blood is actually insanely good.

[severe bough]

Then after that fok > evis

[ember rover]

It literally fits the fight perfectly.

[severe bough]

I mean, perhaps

Id replace 1 ttk for one scent

But idk i never really simmed it

[ember rover]

Just checked logs, and indeed Scent of Blood performs best there.

Every rogue has it.

[severe bough]

3xEB is imo irrepleceable

Interesting

Well i did just run outlaw for the kill though

[rigid mango]

I didn't go full pas because we had more than enough aoe damage, just needed boss damage

3 eb is quite stupid unless you want a parse

[molten cosmos]

good evening boys, new to rogue/sin, what traits should I aim for this week for M+s?

[bronze kelp]

2 ttk 2 eb 2 ss

you can use this for every week for every affix combo

[molten cosmos]

really? sick

[bronze kelp]

yes u can

but any combination auf those traits is fine, if you got at least 1 ss and 1 eb

as we got bolstering, some dungeons favor 3 ttk more maybe

[sick scarab]

guys anyone can explain hot to use coral trinket ? i have both coral and font of power..

font at pull

[winter moss]

[sick scarab]

then coral ?

ah k

[winter moss]

#tc-updates aswell

[sick scarab]

so basicalli font prepull then coral on cd

dont have to wait some specific stack

[cold stream]

You use it with vendetta

[sick scarab]

mm but at pull

if i use font i have 20 sec cd on coral

so i delay vendetta for the coral cd ?

[cold stream]

nah just do everything else normally and press coral as soon as you can

[sick scarab]

ah k so font.. pot, vendetta toxic vanish pew pew

and coral asap

okok tnx

[winter moss]

idk what so hard to understand

[ember rover]

Coral is literally your first thing you cast after Muti.

Since it's off the GCD.

If you have build that opens with Garrote, you do Garrote => Coral, in same GCD.

[winter moss]

[ember rover]

If you have build that opens with Muti, you do Muti => Coral

I wanted to talk about coral 😄

But wrote font by mistake.

[winter moss]

still

[ember rover]

What ?

Coral is off the GCD, you`re supposed to use it literally after your first GCD into the pull.

So that it starts stacking as fast as possible.

[winter moss]

No?

as font will not allow you to

[copper hazel]

You can't do that if you use font Adrian

[ember rover]

Oh, I thought he wanted to know about coral usage, didn't read that it was font + coral.

[placid mulch]

first night using font, not getting hit while channeling is hard

[ember rover]

Use cloak 😄

On orgozoa, font lines up with the dance.

I cloak and font

[winter moss]

you literally wait the first 2 spawns

and as the third starts u run into safe position

start channeling

[ember rover]

Nah, too much effort.

Just cloak it.

[winter moss]

great idea

[hollow junco]

i cloak on the jump down because i don't want to play frogger waiting for flying zoatroid pats to move out of the way 🤷

[placid mulch]

Radiance was hairy

[dark crag]

Wasting cloak for the jump

[placid mulch]

But we were good

Upsurges on Ashy a bit touchy

I’ll get there

[bright smelt]

445 slitering loa head and 450 coral in one day, today was a good day even if I got shit from weekly box

[royal lantern]

3x spymasters now

i mean

its a good chest

[winter moss]

yup

[royal lantern]

but chepalohide

and 3x............

[winter moss]

ceph ~ Spymaster > rest

[steady owl]

when simming for dungeons ive been told to do patchwerk 6 targets and then 40 sec tyrannical and 1 min fortified or was the other way around? i forgot to write it down the first time

[rigid mango]

Neither are good

You can do a sim, but you have to feelycraft/ask/know the rest

There's a lot of wrong shit when simming m+ for sin.

[steady owl]

i use 2/2/2 and do better than ever, but its nice to sim gloves and boots and stuff too. so i cant really trust statweights either? just go for lots of crit?

[rigid mango]

Crit + mastery if ttk/vers if not

Both mastery and vers are very close/good

You can't go wrong with it aslong as it has crit + either

[cedar lynx]

Hi guys, i hope you are all doing well. I'm here for a friend that play Assassination and he struggle to get the most out of it. May i ask you to check his logs pls ? I don't know shit about the class so that why i can't really help him ^^

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7wvDWNpfAhjn23VX#fight=4&type=damage-done
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7wvDWNpfAhjn23VX#fight=1&type=damage-done

and here is it's sim

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9D94T7h8oW34FN7RCEKLQf

Thank you very much in advance 🙂

[rigid mango]

No vanish in opener

wasted 3 cp with muti

[arctic walrus]

Horrible vanish use, don't know how to use coral, wrong pot

[cedar lynx]

Okay thank you guys, which pot should he runs ?

[rigid mango]

Fury

[cedar lynx]

I'm feral player but do you Rogue use the coral at nearly 15 too ?

[arctic walrus]

Used font only prepull and not during the fight

[rigid mango]

No

Sin doesn't just use it

Sin aligns it to vendetta

Apply 1st, consume on 2nd and reapply after, consume reapply repeat for each vendetta

[cedar lynx]

Zine you talking about the coral stack usage ?

you mean that he should aligns it with his cd or smth ?

[arctic walrus]

On the mythic kill, he has very long downtime for God knows what

[rigid mango]

Yes "align it to vendetta"

[cedar lynx]

ok

[arctic walrus]

He holds his vendetta for over a minute, only to not even pair it with 2nd clf

[cedar lynx]

Alright so it seems that his cd usage aren't good

[arctic walrus]

He is fonting at exactly 4 seconds on the pull timer, so he's not getting a prepot in

[rigid mango]

Most of the shit he's fucking up on

[cedar lynx]

Yeah our sp did a prepull if i remember on this one xd

[rigid mango]

Would be answered if he was in this discord

🤷

[cedar lynx]

Yeah but he is not rly comfortable with english

that's why i'm here trying to understand his class xd

[arctic walrus]

It's not just a one pill thing, he had it on both kills

[cedar lynx]

Okay

Regarding font usage i think he doesn't really how to reapply it during the fight

do you guys got a specific window for that ?

or just use on cd (dk if it's dps loss)

[rigid mango]

He has both font and coral, right?

[arctic walrus]

He does

[cedar lynx]

Yeah

[rigid mango]

http://prntscr.com/oyqmph

[cedar lynx]

you rock

gonna send him that first of al

all *

Okay so main issue cd usage, wrong pot

and vanish usage

wasted combo point too.......

Assa rogue seems interesting gameplay wise i might reroll for it once i hit 65 with my cat :p

Thank you very much for your time guys i'll send him all that, if anyone see something else i would be glad to read that. Peace ✌

[wet ruin]

I might be wrong here, but looking at the timeline it looks like he only finishes at 5 combo points as well

[cedar lynx]

What do you mean Annsie ? (again i don't know shit xd)

[wet ruin]

you generally use a finisher at 4+ cp

[raw oasis]

Mutilate generates a minimum of two combo points. So when you get four combo points you get more damage by casting a finisher to dump your combo points and then your next mutilate will give you the two points. If You cast another mutilate with four points you'll have five and have wasted one

[cedar lynx]

Ok i got it

[wet ruin]

you will waste AT LEAST one

usually more than one

[raw oasis]

^

[cedar lynx]

Yeah it's a huge loss if he does that every time

[dark crag]

Atleast 1 up to 3

[dawn rock]

Could anyone help me out? I am currently able to buy a piece of azerite gear from the currency, but im not sure what the best option is. Ive simmed on raid bots and it says getting a new chest piece will be the biggest dps gain, but my helm is 405 ilvl compared to my 420 ilvl chest.

Should I got for a new chest or helm? thanks for the help

http://prntscr.com/oyr2um

[keen elk]

Do what raidbots tells you to do. Also worth noting that the helm of zaqul is pretty strong so it isn’t hard to get a 435 in that slot

If you at least do heroic each week

[dawn rock]

I see, thanks for the input. Did I interpret the data correctly also? From the screenshots?

[keen elk]

Yep. The big number is if you roll the best piece. The expected dps gain is raid bots averaging all possible outcomes

[wet ruin]

I would roll for shoulders if you don't have gorak'tul, you can get pretty much bis helm and chest from raid

[arctic walrus]

Be considerate as the pieces sim with you having SS/subt, when the best build atm is MA

If you don't have gorak go for that, as yes it's the only vendor item you need

Helm and chest from raid

[dawn rock]

Thanks for the advice everyone, here my current gear if that helps

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/frostmourne/Byzaa

[bright smelt]

saving 200k titan res and buy gorak shoulders outright or gamble?

[sour wasp]

the world as we know it will end before you get 200k

[worldly furnace]

Do you guys pool energy when deadly navigation is nearing 5 stacks?

for envenom chains

[bronze holly]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/GXMv13HHyQJgDeaybnAuw

[loud reef]

Hi there folks

I kinda struggling with some stuff: my ilv is 430

i have a shitty ring and shitty daggers

My burst is up to 100k

[bright smelt]

do mechagon

[loud reef]

but gets down to 40 and then keeps going down and down

[bright smelt]

the ring set is really good

[loud reef]

til 30 or so

I think i do the rotation well, but, i dont certainly know when to save energy

[bright smelt]

do you have logs or anything? @loud reef

[loud reef]

i basically try to keep garrote and rupture up and cd toxic blade

Yay

[tough dome]

Is stacking 3x DD and 3x NP not ideal? I got new random titan res shoulders last night and they both had DD & NP. My sim tells me that my equipped is best, but I was wondering anyone's thoughts on tripling the traits. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2JD9s7ZxZTsRAPQ6hXBpiV

[loud reef]

hold up

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WGjVzMHTChdbLwkY#fight=10

this is my guild trying myth without even completing hero

But thats more representative, cause in the past days i increased my dps a lot

right know ive been like an hour at the dummie changing essences and im going for lucid dreams as major 100% cause i dont have the Guardian Essence at lv 3

And as secondary essence im just trying between guardian or lazor

Also, i think i lose such an amount of time on my opening (stealth, garrote, coral, muti, rupture, essence,vendetta,toxic,vanish and then spam muti at 4o5cp and envenom)

[wet ruin]

@tough dome you can check the dmg increase of traits on herodamage or a similar website, for example a bbi is very strong to have, also overwhelming power as a third ring trait is very powerful as well, and there are simply no chests with DD, NP and OP

[bright smelt]

@loud reef why do you open up with garotte when you don't have any SS traits to begin with?

[loud reef]

Sorry, what does SS stand for?

[bright smelt]

shrouded suffocation

[loud reef]

i just changed something about my gear

but i still have no SS

[bright smelt]

you shouldn't for raids

[tough dome]

Okay cool, i still have some work to do in the azerite gear dept. trying to get everything up to 430 so nothing is concrete. Thanks!

[loud reef]

I shouldnt go SS for raids?

[bright smelt]

no

[loud reef]

yea, well right now i have no SS

[verbal knot]

I got the blackwater chest, it's better than what I had and my sim is higher DPS, what chest should I be gambling for?

[bright smelt]

also thats kind of what sin rogue is about, you have your burst window and then you'll slowly sink down and then you burst again

@verbal knot the ones from AD and Siege

@loud reef https://wowanalyzer.com/ is rather good aswell to try and point out any big fails you're doing

[loud reef]

Okay @bright smelt ima give it a look

[crystal vault]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eMm1CHEHHzDbCSmcy18oju
50k Club

[loud reef]

Thanks man

[wet ruin]

@verbal knot why do you want to gamble for a chest if you already got one?

[bright smelt]

@crystal vault gz!

[verbal knot]

I mainly raid so I'd like to lose the SS trait for DD

[wet ruin]

blackwater has loyal to the end

[loud reef]

right know i have: 2Twist the knife, 3OP, 2 NP, and 1 Blightborne

and 2 DD

[bright smelt]

I mean, what?

better to sim yourself for best results

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear

and get the simulation craft addon for game

[loud reef]

Yay, i already got it

I simmed myself

And im on my "best gear"

im still not sure about my dps going down to 28k

[bright smelt]

link the report?

[loud reef]

in a static boss

[bright smelt]

the sim you did

[loud reef]

omw

im doing a sim again adding azerite powers

[bright smelt]

k

[loud reef]

are you Horde by any chance mate?

[bright smelt]

yes

why

[loud reef]

May i invite u to a group and see with your own eyes at orgrimmar whats going on

at the Dummies

[cobalt pelican]

you'd be better linking a log

[loud reef]

im on it

[bright smelt]

rather a full kill on a boss than mythic prog

since full length fight

[loud reef]

Yay, ill have that in a couple hours

[bright smelt]

and not just 1min snippets

[loud reef]

with the new changes

i made

today we are doing 5 or 6 bosses prolly on HC

[bright smelt]

poke in channel with logs and it'll be way easier to see

[loud reef]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qq6Jn1wU1ZJQN37tV4TzYN

i already have focusing iris as minor, but i was testing some stuff

[cobalt pelican]

looking at your sivara kill from the 24th you're playing subterfuge with no shrouded, your opener was garrote vendetta lucid mutilate, you didn't prepot you only potted 10 seconds into the fight using the wrong pot, you're randomly pressing your coral for no reason, you average close to 30 seconds between tbs

[loud reef]

and about rupture: if i have 4 combo points, is it worth to do another mutilate to get it to 5 or its also worth with 4

[civic palm]

Nope.

[loud reef]

@cobalt pelican yay but that log was before doing my recents changes on my character i kinda sucked there

Tonight ill have a better report on that

[cobalt pelican]

you're mutilating at 4cp for some reason frequently

ah you asked about that just

[loud reef]

Cause after doing some research my dps increased

Okay

[cobalt pelican]

you'll need a newer log then

[crisp hollow]

anyone mind looking through my logs for me? I see other rogues opening bigger before our dps evens out during the boss which makes me think i'm opening wrong but doing the rest okay

[loud reef]

Yay, tonight ill have

Thanks to everybody, for real

U guys are an amazing and very supportive community

[cobalt pelican]

opener burst really just depends on what you're playing

[crisp hollow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/illidan/shabicaonima

[cobalt pelican]

if you're playing dd and ddcrit everything you'll spike really high

[civic palm]

and your crit luck.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[crisp hollow]

i mean low 80's and a 70 probably mean i'm not executing to the best of my ability anyway

so if anyone has time I'd love some help ❤

[rigid mango]

You have a dice

[crisp hollow]

oh fuck

font

probably

the big difference

between me and other rogue

[rigid mango]

Non socketed rings

[cobalt pelican]

your opener on sivara looks fine

like

there's more than the gcd between your globals

but that's the only thing noticably wrong

[civic palm]

micro-pooling

[rigid mango]

http://prntscr.com/oyrw9s

this opening sequence looks awkward af

Try mut rup mut instead.

[civic palm]

Yeah but it's also not WRONG.

[crisp hollow]

DD didn't crit so 2 DD into garrote got me 5 cp

so full rup

proceed

[civic palm]

Doesn't matter.

[crisp hollow]

was the logic behind it

[rigid mango]

Just mut mut rup

[civic palm]

Rupture doesn't scale off CP anymore.

[rigid mango]

or mut rup mut

^

It's more about utlising MA window

[civic palm]

even a 3CP rupture there is fine you will just refresh like, 2 GCDs earlier.

Yarp.

[crisp hollow]

hmm interesting

[rigid mango]

http://prntscr.com/oyrx3n

You don't need that many ruptures

[verbal knot]

does the damage from SS stack? Is that why the guide says double garrotes on openers?

[crisp hollow]

no with SS you double it to get max duration

[loud reef]

Why does he use Fan of Knives?

[rigid mango]

It's because you pandemic it

It's radiance

You can fok on add spawn

[loud reef]

For the adds, ah Ok

[crisp hollow]

should i not be putting low ruptures on baby adds for energy gen?

[rigid mango]

If you're spamming that many you'll be going energy overcap

• what are u doing with that energy

sniping more energy

and using 0 EB foks

that's just no damage

http://prntscr.com/oyry92

That's your energy whilst you're doing that

Especially sinc eyou had tb up, you could be using that energy to pump envenoms

Also, yeah, dice really do suck.

Not having a font at this point is a lot of damage lost.

[crisp hollow]

yeah i got coral last week too

trinket luck is gone

[rigid mango]

And yeah, vanilla 430 rings are very meh too

I cba going through log, but I assume you have enough loyals.

[crisp hollow]

yeah i made sure lol

[rigid mango]

@ember pulsar http://prntscr.com/oys02f dunno about that part, you lost out on a couple of seconds on your CLF thanks to that

You also lack 2 benthic pieces 👀

[ember pulsar]

I lost about 200 pearls for wrists

And guess what 😄

[verbal knot]

I can't sim myself right now as I am at work, but Azerite pieces are pretty standard. Is 1 SS better or worse than 1 Loyal with 0 others in raid?

[rigid mango]

You know the answer

[verbal knot]

[rigid mango]

@ember pulsar You didn't use step a single time on behemoth 👀

[shy dust]

Doubt there will be many scenarios where you’re the only one in raid with loyal.

[rigid mango]

Idk why you keep envenoming there in the opener

[ember pulsar]

You see we have TOO MANY melee dpses so only 4 are allocated to puffer (better that than killing others) and that's not me. Maybe stepping puffer would help and I am stepping from 3rd puffer to behemoth and from 5th to behemoth only if we need to kill that fish

[rigid mango]

Aslong as you use step at all

You can use it to get there, or to get back

there's just damage lost not stepping there

[verbal knot]

Just be careful you don't step to behemoth when he's about to shock lol I've made that mistake once

[ember pulsar]

Try to use Feint

It works pretty well

[verbal knot]

yeah feint is awesome on that fight and Radiance

[inner pier]

Bois is it possible that inkpod (orgozoa trinket) is simming incorrectly? I've seen many rogues playing with but it sims quite pporly for me :/

[ember pulsar]

You won't get killed when using feint on every shock

Maybe you will lose some energy but atleast you won't die and you don't have to move away or pray

[verbal knot]

It might be Coral + Inkpod. I know some people save Coral until 31% then blow it for that 100% crit for Inkpod

[crisp hollow]

@inner pier I'm interested to see too actually, its a pretty minor sim upgrade to my 400 dice with socket which doesn't seem right

[inner pier]

i mean compared to my azshara's 430 and coral 430 it;s 1% downgrade in theory

mythic inkpod

[shy dust]

Well font and coral are our best performing trinkets so

[quick solar]

I'm running inkpod / coral b/c i still haven't gotten a font to drop yet. but also even if i did have a font, there are some fights where it just doesn't line up well with dps windows

[verbal knot]

Do you save coral to 31%

Im curious if that works out as a bigger increase

[quick solar]

I usually hold it for 31% yeah

I'm not sure if that's 'correct', but that's what I've been doing

[chrome junco]

hi, I've been mantaining 41k on ashvane but suddenly since yesterday I just can't even reach 37k. Did we receive any kind of stealth nerf or something?

[shy dust]

No we haven’t

[raven mica]

Did you change strat or move your kill timing around?

[chrome junco]

anything😭

[shy dust]

Could just be making mistakes you haven’t noticed

Could have been bubbled more

[chrome junco]

is everything the same, maybe some people had se more heart level or who knows but thank you anyways

[shy dust]

Other people having more heart level wouldn’t affect you

[crisp hollow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/WctfuzChFkRCLpUTE3zZx is there any way to have droptimizer evaluate the drops as 450's? my 450 behemoth chest is being compared against 445 chests

[scarlet sequoia]

click the button that says unlock all azerite traits

[crisp hollow]

thanks!

wow even at 450 ceph is a downgrade to behemoth chest for me

kinda nuts

-0.2%

oh no im stupid the sim takes into account i'm 64 still

[rigid mango]

Behemoth is bis so

[crisp hollow]

and won't be buying for a while

1 sec let me unfuck it

changed neck level = 65 and running all traits

life will be so easy on tuesday when i actually ding it haha

i mostly want ceph to be better so i can use behemoth on outlaw set

[shy dust]

Just constantly reforge

And go broke

[crisp hollow]

i am hoarding gold to JC next tier

i hope 3mil is sufficient by that point

[quasi pewter]

Just go on a 3 week holiday so reforge cost goes to 1g again

[crisp hollow]

i keep it sub-100g weekly

i reforge my shit on weekends to pvp for cap to get AP/C&S

and only then

[cedar lynx]

Big thanks for my friend guy he just increased his dps by 6k on sivara Mythic 🙂

guys *

[rigid mango]

[raven mica]

Wait how is behemoth BiS If you don’t know how many people are running loyal

[civic palm]

Check 😛

[edgy shuttle]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[marble elm]

If people aren’t using loyal they’re griefing themself tbh

And the raid

It’s a double grief

[fleet whale]

Is there a single assassin rogue in Mythic who's used exsanguinate on any boss?

for EP

[rigid mango]

Hopefully not.

[bright smelt]

^

[fleet whale]

it just fell off really hard this expansion, even worse than legion

[shy axle]

got coral finally

damn

[fleet whale]

GJ

[bright smelt]

@shy axle gz, coined mine today aswell, 450 tiddyforge

[cobalt pelican]

there will be, somewhere

[fleet whale]

exsang just doesn't seem to scale that well, even when blizz had mastery effect bleeds

[civic palm]

That's because mastery doesn't really influence bleeds THAT MUCH.

[cobalt pelican]

exsanguinate scales fine as an ability by itself

[civic palm]

Comically I am pretty sure Haste scaling has made EX worse.

[cobalt pelican]

it's just too reliant on the overall setup of gear that you have

[fleet whale]

plus it probably has negative synergy with stuff like lucid minor

and even with 2xSS, exsang actually simmed lower than TB back in BDA

[shy axle]

coral usage was at the star and conv for every vendetta wasn`t it? Did not really follow it due to not having it and did read many different versions so far

start

[fleet whale]

yup, that's how you should use it

although if you have inkpod too, it's worth using coral just as the boss is about to reach 30%

cause if inkpod crits, it's a lot of damage

[shy axle]

even when there is no vendetta usage in sight?

where do you place coral in your opener tough? With Vendetta too or as soon as possible?

[arctic walrus]

as soon as possible, but it's not a big difference

[verbal knot]

It doesnt share a gcd so personally I just use it right as soon as I break stealth

[rich jacinth]

hello fellow rogues, can someone please explain what is the right choice of traits assa rogue supposed to use in m15+ keys ? and is there any difference between tyrannical or fortified ?

[lost horizon]

A healthy mix of EB, SS, and TTK is standard

[rich jacinth]

i checked rio and rogues using w/e they want

[short jacinth]

A mix of ss/ttk/eb

[rich jacinth]

its like 2/2/2 ?

[short jacinth]

Yup

[lost horizon]

2/2/2 is a decent set up

[rich jacinth]

for both tyrannical and fortified

[lost horizon]

But you can adjust depending on dungeons

And/or affixes

[short jacinth]

^

[lost horizon]

There's no easy 1 build best for everything

But 2/2/2 is probably fine if you're looking for an easy answer

[rigid mango]

2/2/2 always works, you swap 1 for 1 else dependant on dungeon/comp/week.

But 2/2/2 will be more than fine for every dungeon

[runic basin]

Hi guys which Potion did u use inside raid?

[rigid mango]

Fury

[rich jacinth]

thanks

and for example for tyrannical weeks 3x TTK or 3xSS is better than 2/2/2 or its w/e

[rigid mango]

Tyrannical doesn't really change anything

Dungeon does though

[lost horizon]

moreso the dungeons

yeah

plus how your tank pulls, or if you're a Nelf can affect the value of SS

[royal lantern]

in KR you dont need 3x EB cus the pulls are small but heavy hitting/shitton of hp

as an example

[lost horizon]

SS shines in KR big time

[dire rapids]

Sorry if this is stated somewhere, but where do i fit in BoE with SS in the opener?

BotE*

[rich jacinth]

thanks guys

[hazy canyon]

I’ve just been doing g, r, g, vend, tb, bote, env. Not sure if better to use before or after tb, but it’s probably a tiny difference regardless

[dire rapids]

cool 🙂

[mortal gale]

whats a good m+ build for this week guys? considering tyrannical

currently running this

[rigid mango]

Tyrannical doesn't change anything really

2/2/2 will always work.

[arctic walrus]

you could maybe drop an eb for another ttk, but it's not gonna be much different

[rigid mango]

nah

Hard disagree

[arctic walrus]

^ listen to him

[rigid mango]

Trash is still a majority of dungeon, you still pull quite big

[steep lagoon]

Tips on Ashvane CD's? My Font of Power-trinket and Vendetta just come off cd or 5 sec ish into Hero.. Should I still use it or only vendetta there, or wait for both?

[rigid mango]

2 eb is still good outside of KR/ToS I'd say

[mortal gale]

okay thanks for the tips 🙂

[arctic walrus]

depends on how your group handles cds. are you trying to 2 phase

[steep lagoon]

Not atm, we've done that as well, but played Outlaw then.. And just gotten the FoP-trinket

So 3-phasing, yes

[arctic walrus]

Why wouldn't you use them together btw?

[steep lagoon]

Just wondered if channeling + vendetta during Hero was a waste or if it was better to hold them until after.. I'm asking 🙂

[winter gale]

How to open on Ashvane as MA talented rogue?

New way without cd's or old way with cd's

Can anyone give any tip?

[steep lagoon]

@winter gale At least I'm opening with mut-rup-mut-gar-vendetta-tb-vanish-env.. Hold my CLF.. That's how we do it atm tho, not sure what your guild do

[winter gale]

We are saving cds

[steep lagoon]

2- or 3min ?

[winter gale]

I am keeping all

[steep lagoon]

We only hold 3 min, so I pop CLF after 1st shield

[winter gale]

Guardian and vendetta vanish

[cobalt pelican]

forcefully desyncing guardian from vendetta is a bad decision

either use them all on pull or hold them all

[winter gale]

But how to start the fight was what I meant

[cobalt pelican]

the same way you start every fight

[winter gale]

Same just without?

KK

[dark crag]

Explain to them you are an assa rogue and you need to start with cds because poisons, energy reg, bleeds, cut to the chase and so on

[rancid bobcat]

for a prog fight like ashvane you can advocate for yourself to cd on pull but you can be overruled

[rigid mango]

You don't lose a cast by delaying for first break

🤷

0 dps loss if u just play with head on body

[rancid bobcat]

[light umbra]

at how many stacks u reuse razor coral ?

💩

[rigid mango]

You use it with vendetta

Apply on first, use on each vendetta, reapply aftger

[light umbra]

makes sense ty

[rotund pier]

But do you take it out and put it in often in between? Or do you put it in and then wait for each vendetta?

[rancid bobcat]

wait for each

[rotund pier]

Ah ok

[rancid bobcat]

it's basically a 2 minute trinket that you don't get to use on pull, but it becomes extremely good the next 2 minutes

[rotund pier]

Isn’t that a waist on longer fights where you could get the crit buff a few times in between vends, or is it that the “ coral in” damage proc thing is overall better in between and then having super vend crit is good

[rancid bobcat]

the sims work out that saving the stacks for vendetta is better

[rotund pier]

Ahhh, sweet

Thanks

[light umbra]

@vestal wren still playing ?

[rotund pier]

So when vends coming up, and both trinks are off CD, I’m assuming you font and then vend etc and then pull coral out? Only get a few seconds of vend and coral

[rigid mango]

It's in #tc-updates

There's a paragraph on the usage of the two combined

[rotund pier]

Just read it

Holding vend and vanish for 20 sec sometimes seems harsh haha

Like in terms of patience

[cobalt pelican]

it's likely that tb comes up in that window so

[rotund pier]

Right

[cobalt pelican]

and 4 seconds of it is the font channel itself

[gloomy steppe]

Which azerite piece is best to buy for 200k dust? Gorak Tul shoulders?

[rigid mango]

Yep

Only BiS piece for raid that isn't from raid

[vestal wren]

@light umbra yes, also still on subtlety 😛

[gloomy steppe]

Gorak Tul shoulders, chest from Behemoth and head from Za'qul, right?

I doubt my guild will kill Za'qul on mythic tho

[rigid mango]

That's the combo, yeah

[strange python]

Hey!

[rigid mango]

Slithering loa/430 zaq/first boss mythic/engi helm are all good too

[gloomy steppe]

thank you for help, I'll try to sim engi helm vs 1st boss helm now

[strange python]

How can I improve

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/blades-edge/doublêpen

[rigid mango]

Get better gear

If you're 424 you can improve nearly every slot probably

😄

[strange python]

Wow ty that's extremely helpful

[rigid mango]

Play the game, I mean

What did you expect?

You lack benthic

You don't have good peices

you don't seem to raid

[arctic walrus]

You throw an armory link at us and just say "fix it" what do you want us to do for you

[rigid mango]

Do m+ and raid, get benthic, tadaa

Not more I can do to improve your gear apart from play the game for you

[digital heron]

but what if he doesnt wanna play the game XD

[placid mulch]

Pay for carries

[rigid mango]

[sand otter]

doing a tomb xmog run on horde if anyone wants to go lol

[rigid mango]

Not the place for it 😄

[strange python]

Sorry I ment for like traits and shit but can see this is a shit place to ask for help0

[rigid mango]

I mean, like I said

You have 424 ilvl, probably everything is an upgrade

[placid mulch]

You get out what you put in

[arctic walrus]

If you need help on knowing what traits to go for, you read guides, which are all over this place

[rigid mango]

ok sure dude

[digital heron]

ah blame us when you don't look at pins lmao

[strange python]

Not my fault I cant carry idiots in m+

[rigid mango]

@strange python all your azerite sucks, if you want to know what's good check the guide, your trinkets suck and you lack sockets + benthic that are both easily farmable through m+/naz

There you go, hope it helped.

[sand otter]

get pearls and roll for crit boots for starters

[rigid mango]

Not much else I can say to help you

[arctic walrus]

Probably a reality check, but with your gear, you most likely are the dude getting carried

[sand otter]

im 421 and simming 35k

[rigid mango]

Most of the information to improve is all around you 😄

[sand otter]

benthic OP

[silent parcel]

Is it worth running both azshara and ashvane or should I go ashvane inkpod

[rigid mango]

Both.

[silent parcel]

Azshara sims higher than inkpod but feels so clunky

[placid mulch]

Font and coral are bis

[rigid mango]

You know how to use it correctly ye?

[placid mulch]

Once you get over the mild learning curve

[rigid mango]

Even I hate using the combo in a progress scenario

smh

[placid mulch]

The worst is when a pull gets scuffed and half the raid is waiting on trinket CD

[wet ruin]

is this usage the right way? - using font right after (or like 1-2 sec after) the tb window before vendetta (about 12-15 sec left on toxic blade) and then use vendetta with next toxic blade and follow with coral about 5 sec later? this way I am getting full vendetta during font and about 13-14 sec of coral in vendetta with font as well

[rigid mango]

The way that's in #tc-updates , yeah

[wet ruin]

I mean that's how I understand it from the tc-updates, its that right?

[wet ruin]

the APL seems weird, any reason for that

[cobalt pelican]

you'd have to link the entire sequence but if i had to guess

you hit the energy threshhold just before vanish came off cd

so it envenomed to not cap and then just fired off vanish

there's nothing tying vanish to having combo poinst before pressing it

[wet ruin]

vanish was used 0:07

so it was off cd

[lean veldt]

Quick rogue question..