assassination

[lost tree]

i guess i have to 😄

[steep obsidian]

bote is op as hell for outlaw

in dung

[rigid mango]

Not anymore

bote is insane for sin

[lost tree]

i will try it for sure but hell that sim is serious

[languid ore]

Why not both @rigid mango

[rigid mango]

What?

[languid ore]

Bote good for both

[rigid mango]

Not saying it isn't good for outlaw

just not as good

From what I've seen, it got worse bost nerf

post*

[languid ore]

You sure it's just not the week affix

People change playstyles

Especially the 1%

[rigid mango]

Yep, sure.

[lime echo]

Hello all, it's better to have 2 NP or 1 NP and 1 Loyal to the End ?

[short jacinth]

W/e your sin says is better for you

Sim*

[lime echo]

ok thx

[steep obsidian]

loyal is decent you can change the amount of other peopel who have it in raidbots to test it properly

our ashvane strat the tank dies a few times so its almost liek another cd for me

[rigid mango]

Loyal is BiS if you have 4 others with it.

[vast forum]

👏 3x LOYAL 👏 SACRIFICE PEOPLE 👏

[rigid mango]

One day we will yoppa, one day we will

[shy dust]

Just spit on azshara pre pull

Get that buff

[vast forum]

just get 27 shamans with loyal and 2 tanks and sacrifice 3 shamans at a time and have them ankh

3k all stats with 100% uptime

[languid ore]

There's a Chinese guild right now setting that up

[radiant python]

yay servers up

let's see what disappointing M+ chest I get this week!

[desert vault]

heh, sanguine and quaking this week, apparently they hate melee 😃

[desert vault]

another 150 pearls down, 0 gloves

it is just comical at this point

[plucky stream]

How do you guys sim for M+???

[desert vault]

2x eb/ttk/ss is the baseline

I'm trying to decide what to run this week ... thinking 3x EB, 2x SS, 1x ttk maybe

[uneven pecan]

need some help with my azerite traits

my sim has unstable catalyst at 50% uptime

but i only get around 30% in fights

replacing the trait is a .8% dps loss in sims

is it worth it to change it?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mo3yWzDhYA9qGH7SQ5k6Xg

[frosty talon]

Guys, when i run atleast 1xSS with subt should i garrote twice? I cant geht tbh im opening anyway from stelth.. Isnt my 1st Garrote empowerd? 🤔

[rigid mango]

You pandemic it

[frosty talon]

So garrote rupture garrote and then waiting till garrote falls off vanish and the same thing?

[rigid mango]

Yah

[frosty talon]

Tyvm mate

[scarlet escarp]

so a little birdy told me assassination is using the master assassin trait now

[rigid mango]

Sim yourself

trait dependant choice

[scarlet escarp]

is the little birdy lying to me or should i not cook him

[molten folio]

What is the optimal traits to run in m+ ? 3 ss,1 eb, then what? is it worth getting more EB's depending on my crit+

[rigid mango]

2 eb ss ttk

[uneven pecan]

any guess on my question? :c

[molten folio]

2 of ea u mean or 2 1 1 ? 🤔

[rigid mango]

2/2/2

[molten folio]

ight tyty

[rigid mango]

@scarlet escarp like I said, depends on your traits, simming is the simple option

[scarlet escarp]

its been so long since i bothered with simming its going to take a min to remember

[scarlet sequoia]

rofl look what i got

[vestal wren]

#off-topic 👈 is that way

[rigid mango]

Raz no

[limber flame]

gorak tuls last week and cephalohide this week baby

[distant lava]

is it not loading for anyone else ?

[quasi ledge]

Maybe he got 2 diamonds?

[cunning urchin]

engi helm bis for sin?

[red plaza]

zaqul

[cunning urchin]

ooh gotcha

[red plaza]

but if you're not close to mythic zaqul, engi helm and slithering loa helm are good as well

[molten folio]

how do u guys gear for m+? can see diffrent stat prios in pin but how big diffrence is it rly? I understand siming is main prio but aint easy to sim rly a m+ ,and dungeon slice isnt rly that accarute

[distant lava]

you can't really sim for m+ sin

for stats you go balls to the wall crit / mastery

[molten folio]

yea ik, ight what i needed to know , ty

[distant lava]

basically the idea behind that is crit is very good with EB traits

and haste has close to 0 value in packs

[median sand]

I change my stat weights a bit between tyrannical and fortified weeks. I had a feelsbad moment during tyrannical with next to zero haste

[full jungle]

i keep my normal gear that isnt for EP and just throw on 1 EB trait

[median sand]

I also swap out some mastery for crit during fortified weeks bc mobs live long enough to devalue SS

[placid kindle]

any1 knows any addon that i can customize boss frames that are shown on the right side(for example to see unit frames from zolatroids on orgozoa and active dots on them)

[lean coral]

ruinous bolt chest

3x in a row

god i fucking hate the gambling tied to such important shit

[delicate sapphire]

Does Vision of Perfection also proc the Nothing Personal trait?

[distant lava]

yes but only for the duration of the proc iirc

[desert vault]

This feels like a 3x eb, 2x ss, 1x ttk kinda week? Or just another 2x across the board? I still have nowhere near enough crit unless I run Font, but kinda lousy this week with all the shit on the ground

[tranquil ruin]

how does razor coral sim so high for aoe?

[steep obsidian]

because crit is very very strong for aoe?

[tranquil ruin]

are you asking me?

[steep obsidian]

its called a rhetorical question

sorry if that wasn't clear i forget that english isn't everyones first language here

take the ? out

[tranquil ruin]

cute

[steep obsidian]

i wasnt being cute sorry ill shut up

trying to be helpful

[tranquil ruin]

does the coral automatically crack when the target dies? the cd usually is a bit too long to reuse it before the mob pack dies

[steep obsidian]

how did you sim aoe?

[tranquil ruin]

im basing it off the bloodmallet site

[steep obsidian]

oh well

[tranquil ruin]

which sims coral at the top for hecticaddcleave

[steep obsidian]

ahh well id just do my own sims and have a look at the breakdowns and buff uptimes im not sure otherwise

[tranquil ruin]

thanks i'll check that out

[solemn meadow]

who is simming really high atm?

[tranquil ruin]

https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#rogue_assassination?data_view=trinkets&fight_style=hecticaddcleave

[solemn meadow]

I wanna know what's a high sim atm

[steep obsidian]

over 50 is what the dudes who have 65 necks and mythic gear are getting

[distant lava]

rav is 52k iirc

[agile tulip]

hey, I've ran a couple of sims (1 target 3mins and 5 targets 10mins) for m+ talents, deeper stratagem is simming 0.5% higher and 6.4% higher respectively, should I give it a shot? is anyone else playing it?

[distant lava]

that's a high sim

[solemn meadow]

52k?

I wanna see that

before i believe it

[scarlet sequoia]

with or without worldvein

[solemn meadow]

without

worldvein's a meme

[vapid scarab]

@agile tulip what m+ pull are you doing that lasts 10minutes

that is literally the worst possible way you could sim for m+

[scarlet sequoia]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gbS6U5DcGX9u4aTkLttK1X

there u go mate

[agile tulip]

I like 10mins for m+, regardless though even in a 2min sim it still pulls ahead for aoe

I just haven't done any dungeons with it thus I thought I would ask if anyone has had better results

[solemn meadow]

insane how much you sim

idk why I sim so low then

fuck

[short jacinth]

Jesus I thought I was doing good at 42k lol

[sturdy dust]

The additional minor is big, and he essentially has perfect traits as well

Haste at 23% seems to be the sweet spot for a lot of the high-end Rogues

[vapid scarab]

@agile tulip still, what m+ are you doing where the pulls last 2min

[agile tulip]

if you go high enough they do last quite a bit

90-120s is not absurd for an m+ with a proper difficulty

[solemn meadow]

guess I don't have enough luck

[fleet whale]

i mean sims are really just a tool to see what's an upgrade, what to do to maximize damage etc.

[solemn meadow]

ye but when you sim like 8k more

that's not normal

even if i had 65 neck

I would sim like 48,5k

that's still 5k away

[fleet whale]

how are you doing in logs?}

[solemn meadow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/blackhand/tylur

meh

I mean you can't compare logs if you compare

world 500 vs world 100

killtimes efficiency

if you just get to dps or do some mongo strategy

[fleet whale]

your logs seem fine enough to me, well i guess maybe not the orgo parse lol. But as long as you feel that you are helping your raid, just wait for the upgrades and the sim will go up

[solemn meadow]

that orgo was the only try

I didn't get any good buff for the whole last intermission

and then we killed him

the other tries where I had a 5 roll

[fleet whale]

yeah, i know how that feels

[solemn meadow]

the other bobo rogue

fell down in the run down phase

[solar rose]

Finally Gorak Tuls

[idle ember]

Me too.

In 130k res.

[distant lava]

let's go flawless

[faint sand]

I have a doubt about the use of razor coral (i did read the pinned message for that). You do the normal openner apply the razor coral using vendetta

And should you wait to your next vendetta to use the active of the razor coral stacks or at how many stacks do you use the second effect?

Can anybody help me with that?

[tropic ocean]

on any amount of stacks it has with next vendetta

and no you don't apply it during vendetta

depending on your trinkets you apply razor coral asap, as its not on a gcd

so if you don't have azshara trinket you apply as soon as possible when you start attacking the boss

[honest needle]

can some 1 help me why does sims not want me to use both 440 ilvl rings https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vpU1AunuJXRKsH1F7EvT19

why does it want me to use 420 with bad stats

over both crit haste 440 rings

[tropic ocean]

because your 420 ring has a socket

and crit is very good, versa is decent

[honest needle]

ya but 440 has much better stats

[tropic ocean]

obviously not, else it would select your 440 ring

[honest needle]

that just dont make sense

[tropic ocean]

yes it does

[faint sand]

Ohh ok @tropic ocean but for example

What will be better to do between these 2 options

[tropic ocean]

compare the total amount of stats from your 440 ring, compare to your 420 socketed

use ur stat weight, multiply the stats by statweight dps gain and ull have same result

[faint sand]

Apply razor coral and pop it at 3 stacks every time or should i wait to stack more (how many stacks aprox)?

[distant lava]

you wait

for your next vendetta

[tropic ocean]

I can't answer it as I am not a mathemtical genious

[cobalt pelican]

ilvl on rings is lidderally useless

[faint sand]

So should i perma stack it until next vendetta?

[tropic ocean]

run a sim and see how raidbots is using it

but its most likely activate razor coral

[cobalt pelican]

it's p simple dud apply it on the opener then press it when you next press vendetta

[tropic ocean]

let it stack and activate again with vendetta

[faint sand]

Oh yeah that should help

[cobalt pelican]

if you have no 2nd on use

it's literally just the global you press vendetta you press coral and reapply right as vend ends

[honest needle]

ALWAYS USE RAZOR CORAL WITH VENDETTA

stacks dont matter

[tropic ocean]

so you have the crit buff during your 20% dmg buff

[faint sand]

Yeah but i mean i could use it during vendetta and also during the fight without vendetta (several times) or i could just use it 2 times in the entire fight

Thats what confuses me hahaha

[cobalt pelican]

when you claim the crit buff the dmg portion of the trinket is not doing damage

[distant lava]

if you stack it more you get more crit

[cobalt pelican]

it is not worth it

[faint sand]

Ohh ok that makes sense

Tyvm guys i really apreciate it

[prisma monolith]

The way to use coral in M+ is using it on your priority target,
and then whenever that target dies, reapply it to your next target.
Whenever your target dies it gives you the crit it would give from using it,
so consuming the stacks for crit mid pack is generally suboptimal.

[viscid lichen]

hey can anyone help me a bit with this pars

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/ZGjYWK7fPCAMpwtz/21-4+The+Queen's+Court/Unodostres

I dont see where i really went wrong and pars is 44% wowanalyzer doesnt give anthing except use better consumables

[tropic ocean]

use pots use flask

enchant ring

[spice surge]

It doesnt give me any tips except the things that will increase my damage by a fuckload

[tropic ocean]

idk whats ur gear but 29k dps is very low on multi target cleave fight

[viscid lichen]

M8 thats like 100off stat I dont think thats that much also Im 430

but I will get better enchants

[tropic ocean]

prepot is good dps increase as well

[viscid lichen]

that might be a big increase but not 50%pars

[tropic ocean]

it adds up

no, you have 50% parse cuz u play poorly or are undergeared

or both

[viscid lichen]

well yeah

but wow analyzer doesnt say to me

what to improve

idk what part did I do poorly

buff uptime over 97%

[spice surge]

Wow analyzer isnt good for roguexs

Nobody maintains it

[viscid lichen]

I time ashvanes coral with vendetta and tw

what do I use then

[tropic ocean]

I don't think you understand the fight

the issue is not you not keeping your dots up or playing rotation wrong

its a multi target fight

dot both bosses

dot sparks as well

[viscid lichen]

yes

[tropic ocean]

use shadow step/sprint to have dots up on both bosses

[viscid lichen]

I do

as much as I can

[solemn meadow]

@scarlet sequoia 80 dps more pog

[viscid lichen]

but

I am not sure when to dot them

[polar shale]

no benthic also doesnt help(esp boots,crit dmg is nice)

[viscid lichen]

cause then I lose some dps

[solemn meadow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oc74YjouGxiE6bFNJBGfnz

if you socket haste

[viscid lichen]

I didnt take it to be worth running from one to another without sprint or ss

so I let my dots fall of If I didnt have either

is that correct or would you still keep them up?

[crystal vault]

does TB buff inkpod ?

[tropic ocean]

no

rogue abilities buff rogue abilities

[warped siren]

should I sim to know which would be my 2nd best minor?

[tropic ocean]

@warped siren thats a very good idea

[polar shale]

except prey i guess,since it explicitly states "from all sources"

[warped siren]

I just unlocked 2nd minor slot and was simming but still making sure what I simmed was actually the best

[scarlet sequoia]

@solemn meadow thats probably because its without iris

and worldvein

not real

i have done the sim do not worry

[cobalt pelican]

played shrouded but didn't garrote both bosses, didn't use vendetta with vanish, generally overcapping combopoints a lot, didn't use guardian with 4th vend cause you randomly delayed all your vendettas by like 15 secs each etc etc

[viscid lichen]

okay thanks

[dense cedar]

Got Phial from Emissary of War

Almost beats my punchcard trinket

lmao

[viscid lichen]

thank you all for your time and help

[desert vault]

are people just using Coral on CD in m+, except on bosses? I can't see much point in holding it on lower keys that I run, just 10-15s, seems like shit dies to fast.

Might even just run dice/spyglass instead of spyglass/coral actually ... all same ilvl

[empty badge]

Yes

dice is absolute garbage

[rigid mango]

wdym dice is garbage lol

It's not far behind spyglass

[royal lantern]

its not the 100%best=its absolute garbage

zine, you need too learn how onnline communitys/meta work /s

[teal hatch]

Whats the opener for a raid boss ?

Im confused cuz if i pop vendetta and lucid at the same time i overcap my energy

doesnt feel right

[hoary crown]

How can ppl do 75-80 k dps in opener without bl O.o ?

[hushed arrow]

^

[scarlet sequoia]

just do the opener?

[solemn meadow]

ye

actually I do higher openers with subterfuge

than with MA

and opener with life force is just rng anyway

the 3 no crit envenom opener

[scarlet sequoia]

tfw you play MA and get 2 cp on first mutilate

[rigid mango]

[solemn meadow]

the change from 100% crit to 50% crit

was the dumbest decision

[rigid mango]

Balancing smh

[harsh sphinx]

crit or bust

[cobalt pelican]

idk whos idea it was to have a talent functionally just be a 15% chance to make you cry

[solemn meadow]

I mean you can have 140k crits

or 40k non cirts

[severe bough]

@rigid mango
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wzNEy61ea7kUdDCi1amKjK

[rigid mango]

44k

[severe bough]

i dont have a coral okay

[rigid mango]

💩

[severe bough]

i would get 45k with one

like i've already run gear compare

[solemn meadow]

I have not gotten a big upgrade in like 2 weeks

and I sim 46k

[rigid mango]

Yah dope gaer apart from that

[severe bough]

[crude topaz]

How do i sim for M+?

[rigid mango]

I'm at 47k and I'm getting fuckall upgrades

Jut smol shit

[scarlet sequoia]

[severe bough]

rip

[cobalt pelican]

same

my only upgrades in the last 2 weeks are

a 415 coral

and getting 63 neck

for +5 to my goggles

epic nice.

[severe bough]

im getting unlucky with azerite boxes

[rigid mango]

@scarlet sequoia 💩

[solemn meadow]

you know

[severe bough]

i opened a 445 chest thats a piece of trash

[scarlet sequoia]

[severe bough]

not even good for outlaw

[solemn meadow]

our brewmaster tank got the tank trinket for ashvane on our first kill

[echo cargo]

Still haven't gotten an upgrade ever from weekly chest

[solemn meadow]

and on the second kill

he got the coral in 455

[cobalt pelican]

kinda feelin like scrapping a piece tomorrow

to gamble goraks again

[severe bough]

Do et

[cobalt pelican]

but any piece i scrap is a piece gone from my m+ set

(temporarily)

[severe bough]

rip

[solemn meadow]

my gambles

atleast they can be used for shitspec

[hoary crown]

Opener with ma is mut-->rupture-->Garrote--> Guardian--> Vendetta--> TB---> envenom, right ?

Mut before Garrote**

[distant lava]

or mut mut rupture

if you don't get more than 3 cp on first mut

[hollow gyro]

Vanish after TB 🤔

[rigid mango]

Both work.

[sturdy dust]

I'm yet to get a usable item from the Weekly Cache so far this season. I got the Gold hands talisman the first week, then boots and bracers every week since then. Wish me luck today boys

[solemn meadow]

I only get stuff that is replaced by benthic

2 belts bracers so far

[hollow gyro]

same 😦

[solemn meadow]

oh and

440 cannonball runner

[cobalt pelican]

mydas kinda owns

[tropic ocean]

get out

[desert vault]

I had a max cannonball for a while last season, did some pretty silly numbers in m+ on fort/teeming weeks

what are you thinking of running this week for m+? Just a 2/2/2 week? I was thinking of fooling around with 3x eb/2x ss/1x ttk cause why not really

[teal hatch]

Whats the opener for a raid boss ?

[tropic ocean]

[slender urchin]

Does inkpod work with master assassin

[cobalt pelican]

n o

[teal hatch]

@tropic ocean ty

When is the best situation to use toxic blade? before i reapply my poisons on a target or after ?

[scarlet sequoia]

what

[royal lantern]

@slender urchin master assassin is ONLY for rogue abilitys, it doesnt work with any trinkets etc.......

[modest mason]

!weakauras

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[lone junco]

kinda nice you dont have to hold vanish for the Inkpod timing.

[pseudo hamlet]

@teal hatch TB on CD

[silver musk]

yo guys anyone parrying to Lady Ashvane mythic? specially on pull

[distant lava]

yeah everyone

[jolly agate]

Does focus resolved potion affect trinkets?

[royal lantern]

dont attack her from the front if you can

[jolly agate]

I popped mine before 30% on Ashvane

Not sure if it helped or not, still got a 300k crit

[crystal storm]

when to use blood with subterfuge/shrouded suffocation. In terms of the opener

[waxen nacelle]

[strange python]

What are the best traits to compete against an outlaw dps in M+? x3EB+x3SS?

[rigid mango]

If you want pure overall, 3 eb ss, yeah

[strange python]

kk

[crystal storm]

in the pins it talks about how to use blood with MA but not Subterfuge.

[cobalt pelican]

just press it sometime during vendetta+tb+shrouded garrote ensuring the full 10 seconds lands in vendetta

i doubt that's your best setup though idk blood subterfuge sounds like buttass

[teal hatch]

I cant use 2 on use trinkets at once right ?

[waxen nacelle]

correct

[severe sedge]

is it dumb to stack galecallers haste with vendetta?

better to hold it?

[haughty verge]

no

[sudden hound]

@crystal storm

gar > rup > gar > vendetta > bote > tb > envenom spam

[crystal storm]

ty

[teal hatch]

If i wanna use the droptimizer but dont want the sim to count undulating tides as a good trait seeing as that is a sim trap, is there anyway to do that ?

cuz im afraid it says a chest is a upgrade for me when it isnt because of undulating tides

[real bay]

ez

[teal hatch]

ty

[real bay]

biggest simbait ever

[slow mortar]

Is there a point where a certain amount of crit makes ttk>dd, in that you'll get more 4cp muts

[simple meteor]

guys what you play for m plus 3rd essence ? played abit with protocol did 4m 4% in motherload 17

[languid ore]

@slow mortar I don't know but right now Sim is telling me np/ttk is 150 dps increase over np/dd

My crits only at like 30%

4m for a third essence seems good no?

[quasi pewter]

does the np / ttk piece have overwhelming power by any chance?

[languid ore]

Yup

[quasi pewter]

and the other one doesnt?

[languid ore]

Gutripper

[quasi pewter]

then thats the reason

[languid ore]

So it's basically that

[quasi pewter]

yea overwhelming power is insane

[crisp hollow]

anyone know of a good coral WA?

[rigid mango]

OP is well, OP:

[inner pier]

bois, how much better is abberation benthic belt compared to the other one on orgozoa?

[rigid mango]

About uhh, 2%.

[dense cedar]

quite a bit

[rigid mango]

For reals though, enough to make it better

Enough for people to care.

[dense cedar]

its also super easy to role compared to other slots

roll* rather

[quasi pewter]

vims does like a little more than 1% usually

and aberration well

2

[inner pier]

yikes

gotta roll then

is it usefull for anything else except for orgozoa?

[quasi pewter]

zaqul

[rigid mango]

Zaqul

Both are abberations

[slow mortar]

Would leeching poison be of any use in delirium realm?

[dense cedar]

also bonus damage against ur guildmates

since they are also abberations

[strange python]

If i have both font and ashvane's, do I care to line up vendetta with ashvane's as the font counts down, or does using vendetta with longer font take priority?

[rigid mango]

Yes, leeching is the better play

@strange python read #tc-updates

[hexed meadow]

[rigid mango]

how to use the two in conjunction is in there

[strange python]

Thank you Zine

[dense cedar]

btw is your name pronounced like "zeen" or the other way? @rigid mango

[rigid mango]

It's a short version of zineira which is my IGN, just bec I didn't wanna look like egirl bait

[drifting cloud]

[rigid mango]

Most people say it like sign but with a Z

[dense cedar]

ok

thought it might've been pronounced like zeen

[rigid mango]

I've mostly heard Zign and Zin

Never zeen

[dense cedar]

pronounced zeen makes it an actual word tho

[quasi pewter]

zeeneh

[rigid mango]

Hey man, try having 10 eastern europeans trying to call out Zineira mid raid

[lusty narwhal]

zzzzz another shit shoulder rolls

[dense cedar]

if u have done mroe than 4 rolls than u lose

[quasi pewter]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3t257c5ebCFgwdYwQkyAuC need bigger font that i still wont use because i hate double on use

[rigid mango]

Christ your dick is big

[quasi pewter]

but its not the biggest 😡

[arctic walrus]

Everyone's getting gear and I'm being left behind

[quasi pewter]

im like 90% sure im not gonna get any significant upgrades until end of tier now

i mean there is not much to upgrade apart from mythic font and rings

[distant lava]

@arctic walrus it's ok mate

[rigid mango]

No one's as big as Raz

That simple

[arctic walrus]

Cloak and rings is it for me

If I get a font I'll eat Raz I think?

[distant lava]

you'll eat 53k ?

[arctic walrus]

Idk what he's at after reset tho

[quasi pewter]

ok i guess i can get zaqul helm

thats pretty big still

[rigid mango]

You're close to 53k?

Fuck all of you

Tryhards

[quasi pewter]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nTRip3ejMoi5j2CKPExANp yea need font and zaqul to get 53

[rigid mango]

[crystal vault]

without boTe, do i TB before vanish or vanish - TB

[quasi pewter]

i mean

i dont think i will go for cepha

[rigid mango]

Just get behemoth

[quasi pewter]

exactly

[rigid mango]

It's better than cepha

[quasi pewter]

once i get zaqul helm

i can yoink a behemoth

[rigid mango]

Wdym, you can't yoink both?

[quasi pewter]

i dont think i have to yoink zaqul

im the only one that needs and doesnt have

fucking boomkins 😠

[rigid mango]

So just yoink behemoth whilst you're at it

[quasi pewter]

thats the plan

[rigid mango]

Yoink it all

I just need 2 neck levels, zaq helm, goraks, better coral better font, more sockets, better off hand

I'm so close to you guys, really

[quasi pewter]

[drifting cloud]

same 🙂

[quasi pewter]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q7GwJUsVXMCKcngESNWTcF behemoth isnt even that big actually

[rigid mango]

That's not counting the added bonus you get from forcing other loyal wearers to suicide in favour of your dps

[quasi pewter]

literally gonna buy rank 1 logs by having people suicide one by one

[junior flume]

Wait why is Behemoth better than ceph?

[lost horizon]

Loyal is good

[junior flume]

Hm okay, mastery just doesn't seem all that good for me currently, good to know though.

[lost horizon]

You get a shitload if you have 4 other people using it, which alone is really good

But if anyone does using it within 20yards or something you also get a fat stat buff, so it can actually do better than it sims for

[junior flume]

Yea, just thought TtK would be better I suppose 🙂

[distant lava]

they both have Ttk

I guess you meant DD

[junior flume]

Well yea DD/ another TtK

[hushed arrow]

DD 🙏

[daring cave]

is worth dropping Ilvl for the gear used in raid, like boots etc..

is it*?

[quasi pewter]

you mean benthic?

[hushed arrow]

Ofc it is

[daring cave]

yeah

[quasi pewter]

yes

[daring cave]

OK, just curious because i'll drop 445 for 425

[quasi pewter]

you should always sim but its gonna be better for sure

[daring cave]

ok i'll look into it

[scarlet sequoia]

fuck

what is that

full socket max ilvl or what

holy moly

i dont think i will get that lucky

[drifting cloud]

455 socket mecha rings?

[desert vault]

I have great rings not sure if they would beat mech but 445 FH and 445 mast/haste. Would be nice to get a dagger tonight

[tropic ocean]

Unless your rings are socketed mech set will beat it

[desert vault]

Dang. Crazy. At 430? Base drop is 415 in mech right?

[tropic ocean]

yes

I have 415/435 set no socket and it hard beats 450 + 430 socketed rings

[desert vault]

Oh cause the haste ring is worth 2+ gems basically

[tropic ocean]

and nature dmg proc is inferior to haste proc afaik

its worth 3+ gems

[scarlet sequoia]

fat kys

holy moly

if anyone gets that

they need to fuck off

[tropic ocean]

it has 15s icd and 15s proc

[desert vault]

Oh? I never run mecha should prolly start eh? Is the nature good for m+ or just need crit rings for that?

[tropic ocean]

i dont use it in m+

As the stats are shit for m+

maybe if I had haste ring

https://prnt.sc/ovb3ad

[scarlet sequoia]

i will

[desert vault]

Mecha is just a once per week loot drop right?

[median roost]

which logic ring is best, recursion?

[tropic ocean]

Yeah

[scarlet sequoia]

no you can get it from m+ box

just no one has been lucky

[tropic ocean]

Attack from behind + haste

Is strongest afaik

[cobalt pelican]

i am lucky

just nobody knows it yet

[desert vault]

I guess that makes sense you could get from weekly box didnt think about that

[scarlet sequoia]

u secretly hiding the biggest sim or

[tropic ocean]

cant wait for mecha m+

It will be upper kara farm 2.0

[desert vault]

There really is a bunch of crap 445 head pieces from vendor ... not even sure what I'd want

[silent fossil]

#blessed https://i.imgur.com/pcsorG7.jpg

[tropic ocean]

Gz man

[desert vault]

Seems like it's tough for much to beat zaqul helms really

[lyric finch]

For condensed life force in major slot, should I prioritize to just use this on cd?

[tropic ocean]

zaqul helm is kinda bis if you can get on 445

[desert vault]

430 saw, 445 Blackwater's, guess just roll for shoulders pretty much

[lyric finch]

My understanding is nothing else will effect its damage

[desert vault]

For sure on 445, even 430 it's pretty strong cause the OP

[tropic ocean]

the other raid helm is not too bad either

[tepid oar]

Hey guys... was wondering with how many mobs i just keep spaming FoK instead of using Envenom. Probably depends on EB traits aswell. No idea how to find out, can someone help?

[desert vault]

The dd and loyal helm?

[tropic ocean]

no

Ttk dd

From first boss? I think

not in the game rn but it drops at one of the earlier bosses

[hushed arrow]

Can someone give me Font ID I can implement into simbot?

[cobalt pelican]

any item can be fetched from wowhead p easily

[tropic ocean]

copy paste it from my char drîppin-twistingnether

[spice surge]

Gear compare as well

[tropic ocean]

If u want

[hushed arrow]

@cobalt pelican The ID is enough? Cuz in simbot logs there's like a "bonus_id:"

[cobalt pelican]

click links at the top right

[desert vault]

Ccv

[cobalt pelican]

to change the ilvl just click on the ilvl 415 thing below the item

[hushed arrow]

Gotchu thanks

[tropic ocean]

wow i never knew that possibility

[fervent jasper]

I know the answer will be "sim yourself" followed by some post about how you cant really sim assassination in mythic+, BUT if you had to take a guess, which would be better in keys? 445 socketed crit haste gloves or 455 unsocketed crit mastery gloves?

[tepid oar]

@fervent jasper my guess goes to the socketed ones

[fervent jasper]

My intuition is the socketed ones because using the 455s means I'd lose 40 crit. And even though haste is bad for keys I've been told you're never supposed to sacrifice crit

[cosmic wren]

So is there like a pin for coral usage or something

Its not jumping out at me

[cobalt pelican]

nothing is pinned for coral by itself because oyu just use it with each vendetta (excluding the first)

[cosmic wren]

got it

[tropic ocean]

@fervent jasper id def use mastery

Haste is poo

[fervent jasper]

But I'd be losing crit

[tepid oar]

Hey guys... was wondering with how many mobs i just keep spaming FoK instead of using Envenom. Probably depends on EB traits aswell. No idea how to find out, can someone help?

[fervent jasper]

Which is super good

[tropic ocean]

a little

But gain a lot of mastery

40% + crit 35+ mastery is good

very good

[fervent jasper]

With my 445s I have 40 crit, 15 haste, 38 mastery, 0 vers. With the 455s I have 40 crit, 13 haste, 41 mast, 0 vers

[tepid oar]

second option for sure then

if you dont even gain 1% crit of it

[tropic ocean]

^

[desert vault]

You feeling a 2 ttk or 2 as week this week? Going to spam some 3 eb for fun

[tepid oar]

Can nobody help me with my question? Pls

[hushed arrow]

alk you spam fok and with combo points you rupture. Also depends on amount of targets.

If you have eb's just go all fok if you have enough energy with 5+ targets

with 3 I've heard you can start focusing one envenom after applied all dots

[slender urchin]

anyone know how to sim 3rd essence in raidbots if you dont ahve 65 yet?

[hushed arrow]

Input 65 essence

[lusty narwhal]

Edit the simc input neck lvl

Then choose

[fervent jasper]

Is 2x TTK, 2x EB, 1x SS, and 1x BBI a good m+ set up? I can run 3x TTK, 2x EB and 1x SS but it would involve using 435 shoulders instead of 445

[slender urchin]

Got it

Thanks 🙂

[fleet whale]

yo, huge assassin nerf on the recent ptr build: cut to the chase removed!!! lol

[dark crag]

Again?

[fleet whale]

i think it's just blizz clearing up the database

[lusty narwhal]

?

[fleet whale]

cut to the chase was an old passive for assassin

[polar bloom]

What IS the cut to the chase ?

[fleet whale]

basically sin used to have snd, and whenever you used envenom, it would refresh it

[wintry mica]

eviscerate refreshes slice and dice

it also says fan gives 20% of attack power combo points instead of 1

looking forward to getting 5k combo points from each fan of knives lmao

[fleet whale]

i think blizz just wanted to say that fan awards combo points

instead of just one

[wintry mica]

probably just an error since thats the fan of knives damage ratio

[fleet whale]

yeah, but the cut to the chase stuff and the artifact trait stuff is just database clearing

[wintry mica]

yea def

[fleet whale]

i'll admit i felt a little nostalgic when i saw those traits in the notes...

[wintry mica]

I was worried when I first saw your post lol

[dark crag]

MA removel is in next ptr build

[wintry mica]

its already a shadow of its legion version what more do they want to do with it lol

[civic palm]

o _O

[fleet whale]

he wants it to be a sub talent

[wintry mica]

would be pretty op if it procd on shadow dance

[fleet whale]

sub needs all the help it can get

[wintry mica]

I don't really like it as a talent anyway. 50% crit on 3 GCDs every 2 minutes is pretty lame

[fleet whale]

it's a bastardized version of the shoulders for sure but with higher crit it's alright

[wintry mica]

plus it hurts my heart everytime I do envenom muti and then a 4cp envenom and neither envenom crits lol

[fleet whale]

BoTE major makes it reliable though

[wintry mica]

Dont have unfortunately, Im still rocking lucid until I get rank three raid essence this week

[fleet whale]

lucid is still fun though, at least imo

[lusty narwhal]

Wait what is MA actually being removed lol

[wintry mica]

not that i've heard

[fleet whale]

no he's just messing around

[lusty narwhal]

Was gunna say

[wintry mica]

would be a real bummer now that I dont have much azerite with SS on it

[lusty narwhal]

Yep considering i was gunna scrap 3x 445 next week to reroll on shoulders

[keen bloom]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[lusty narwhal]

Id lose SS

[wintry mica]

I'm still working on trying to get a decent mythic+ set with SS and EB but havent had much luck

all my SS gear is like 420

[keen bloom]

best essence for this week m+?

[lusty narwhal]

Its legit all im getting from my weekly rolls

Just m+ azerite

[wintry mica]

I got a good 445 this week so im gunna stop complaining about my rolls

[lusty narwhal]

Whatd you get

[wintry mica]

spymasters chest

[lusty narwhal]

Ah yeah thats what i got first week

[keen bloom]

azerite ? @lusty narwhal

[wintry mica]

now I just gotta wait 2-3 weeks and pray for gorak tul

[lusty narwhal]

Then last 3 have all been outlaw lol

[wintry mica]

I really need to make an outlaw set, I havent tried it since leveling in legion but its definitely busted for m+

[lusty narwhal]

@keen bloom idk the affixes this week dude but a balance of SS TTK and EB is always a go

[keen bloom]

ty

[hushed arrow]

Why's gorak thul bis btw?

[stable plinth]

The sims are currently not using razor coral when a boss is reaching 30% while using inkpod right?

It's just optimizing razor coral based around our CDs

[lusty narwhal]

@hushed arrow DD Blightborne and Overwhelming

[hushed arrow]

Oh shit ok

LOL

[tiny finch]

hello!

guys if we have 1 or more Shrouded suffocation should we talent Exsanguinate?

or can i just keep toxic blade?

[civic palm]

no

[lusty narwhal]

Tb

[wintry mica]

TB outperformed for me even with multiple SS

[fleet whale]

Exsang has sadly gone through two expansions of just being outscaled and outclassed

[wintry mica]

It was good at the start of legion

[fleet whale]

you mean in the pre-patch?

[tiny finch]

aaah i see

thanks mates :)

[wintry mica]

nah it was good in EN before the poison build was better at higher Ilvl

[fleet whale]

i think tail end of en you swapped to agonizing, def in Trial of Valor

[wintry mica]

I guess if you were doing mythic EN you probably had enough mastery for poison build to outperform

I wonder if we will get to that point this expack with master poisoner being used over EP

[fleet whale]

i despised Agonizing btw... almost quit the game because of it. Well that and crappy leggo luck

and i doubt it for MP

[wintry mica]

yea I stopped playing legion like right before you could buy your preffered leggo

[civic palm]

MP will never win this Expansion.

[fleet whale]

MP only effects DP damage

so unless if there is some trait that steroids DP damage by a crapton

it will just be a pvp talent

[tiny finch]

its weird to change to the Subterfuge + Shrouded suffocation rotation

[wintry mica]

oh yeah it doesnt effect proc rate anymore so it cant help DD damage

[tiny finch]

got used to master assassin

all because of a single piece

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7cp6RRVD3ijgu2FKvCXU2g

[civic palm]

The one way for MP to be better than EP this expansion is for them to change MP back to modifying ENV, then it wins by quite a large margin.

[fleet whale]

it also modified TB and PB i believe

back in legion

[wintry mica]

or bring back agonizing but no thanks

[lusty narwhal]

Remember agonizing poison

Oof

[civic palm]

Yeah but it would just need to modify ENV now to win.

PBOMB would do barely anything since its scaling is shit from the beginning.

Thankfully

[wintry mica]

remember legion pbomb

[fleet whale]

it was a love hate relationship

[civic palm]

More like hate hate.

[wintry mica]

yea, the amount of times it would proc on the last remaining trash mob in a m+

but then you get 2 procs on a trash pack in a row and no one can out AOE you lol

[muted maple]

or as a tank would reposition for a sanguine

[fleet whale]

or opener with concord proc and leggo shoulders

3 pbomb procs in a row.... no one touches you on opener

[wintry mica]

I thought i would like it better with lower damage and higher proc rate but they really fucked the damage of it

[fleet whale]

eh, the damage ain't all that bad

it's about 2-3% of my damage, which is basically a trinket

[wintry mica]

I kinda wish crimson tempest was actually good

at least its an interesting ability

[fleet whale]

nah, i think they should just axe it again

[wintry mica]

maybe if it procd energy regen itd at least be useful for aoe

[bleak spoke]

Ctemp is good as is for padding

It sims highest for me still with 2 eb

[muted maple]

that talent tier is really boring as far as playstyle goes

[bleak spoke]

With three it’s neutral so that’s where I think extending ep isn’t worth

[tiny finch]

Ah last question, is the font of power trinket that good when compared to inkpod? 600+ dps increase for me.

It sure does feels weird to have 2 on use trinkets

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/KJW5crJqaq8Q6yLXhMVkz

[fleet whale]

but i agree the sin 100 talent row is arguably the worst in the game

[wintry mica]

yea its basically gimped legion mechanics or a pretty trash aoe

[bleak spoke]

No

You haven’t seen warlock talent rows

😂

[wintry mica]

although I will say, timewalking with the legendary cloak and that both stacking up is pretty dumb

[muted maple]

yeah i guess, but playing my warrior alt they have neat choices on almost eveyr fury tier.

[bleak spoke]

Isn’t the fury build like uniform with cshb

[fleet whale]

assassin makes up for it in other areas though outside the talent tree

[muted maple]

thats true

[bleak spoke]

If you add in pvp our talents are interesting at the top of the tree

[jaunty arch]

what's the best food for assass?

[fleet whale]

yeah, but it feels kind of lame that TB is basically our ultimate talent

and 93 stat food likely

[bleak spoke]

Tb is incredible though

[fleet whale]

for damage yes

[bleak spoke]

The depth of it is

[fleet whale]

but it's not exactly an exciting ability

[bleak spoke]

With the way we play energy

[muted maple]

i like the playstyle around tb. like pooling and making sure your bleeds wont fall off when it's active

[bleak spoke]

The button is whatever but th way we play around it is crazy

[muted maple]

its something that, once i got the hang of i really saw an increase in my damage

[fleet whale]

would be better off being baseline imo

[jaunty arch]

whats the 93 stat food called?

[fleet whale]

i forget the names of all of them

[dark crag]

Big mech

[serene sierra]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[fleet whale]

big mech is the crit one

abyssal fried is the mastery one

[bold marsh]

didn't find it pinned or maybe I'm blind, but with 3x DD, do you prio Mut spam over Env (on pure ST boss) during TB window?

[fleet whale]

nah, you need to envenom

to keep that buff up

[bold marsh]

yeah, but with TTK, just wondering if pre Enving before TB to make the buff last for the first 2-3 Muts is worth

instead of Enving as soon as I get 4/5 CP

but I guess I kinda answered my own question though, since I have 2x TTK along with 3x DD, so maybe I'm just dumb

[crimson condor]

!coral

[prisma monolith]

The way to use coral in M+ is using it on your priority target,
and then whenever that target dies, reapply it to your next target.
Whenever your target dies it gives you the crit it would give from using it,
so consuming the stacks for crit mid pack is generally suboptimal.

[cobalt gyro]

https://i.imgur.com/ZJoaCIE.png

fok spec on ptr

[scarlet sequoia]

cant wait to spam fok > envenom

[cobalt gyro]

fok env fok env

[scarlet sequoia]

20.5% of ap with 9k ap

hell yeah

wtb anticipation back

[dark crag]

1000 ap × 0.205 = 205 cp

[true nexus]

wtf

[cobalt gyro]

only 2,000 cp per fok

np

[true nexus]

deeper strat new meta

[scarlet sequoia]

time to go full mastery

[true nexus]

deeper strat should and (+20.5% of attack power) more combo point maximum

add*

[lusty narwhal]

Wtf

[arctic walrus]

All this haste feels like a scam

[fleet whale]

it's just a tooltip bug

[arctic walrus]

my clf is hitting just as much as it did last week

[dark crag]

Use mini rock boi pet to get more dmg

[arctic walrus]

Although, I did somehow 4k more on radiance

[lusty narwhal]

Keep 3x 445 for m+ and wait 2 more weeks or scrap them for random reroll next week 🤔

Tough times

[bleak spoke]

Does nightstalker buff crimson tempest

[drifting cloud]

probably?

is there anything ns doesnt buff

[amber trench]

it might only buff the initial hit and not the dots

similar to kb back in legion

but who knows

[bleak spoke]

Will test on dummy but raiding soon so ugh

Was just thinking that if this cp change is real do we just play nightstalker ds ct with three twist three echoes in keys lmao

And vanish for nightstalker snapshot

But also for utility

Cuz basically we never muti again ever lmao

[worn magnet]

how long is it worth saving cds for inkpob?

inkpod*

[shy dust]

saving CDs for inkpod?

rogue cooldowns dont affect that

[winged basin]

is inkpod bugged?????
just lost out on some damage cause my inkpod kept stacking after 30%

[wet ruin]

the only thing that matters for inkpod is your crit rating of the time of proc for what I know

[crisp hollow]

how should I be using coral on Ashvane? stacking until shield breaks every time or is there a set number of stacks I wanna pull out at?

[wise shore]

finally got mythic dagger

[strange python]

Took me 3 weeks to get a OH dagger, and now its all I get is daggers.

if ur fonting at 4 seconds when do you pot?

[ornate lodge]

font at 6 or 5 and then you can pot

[scarlet escarp]

what two enchants are assassination going with atm ...on their daggers

[crisp hollow]

whatever sims highest

[night summit]

where can i find BIS azerite items for assassination

[strange python]

@ornate lodge thats what i normally do buy #tc-updates says if you are using coral+font you should font at 4

[night summit]

@crisp hollow is force multiplier any good?

[crisp hollow]

i have it on my offhand

[hazy geyser]

SO i just got a coral how are you supposed to use it?

on pull then on 2nd vendetta?

[cobalt pelican]

the post in tc assumes you can font and stealth, ideally you font at 4.1 and prepot+stealth 0.1 seconds before combat

how much room you need to leave yourself is up to you and how slow you are/how much your guild pull on 1

[hazy geyser]

so basically use it on pull to start stacking and use it when i can get the most out of it

even if its just 1 use

[cobalt pelican]

hwat

[radiant python]

what is the best way to use the ashvane coral trinket?

[cobalt pelican]

click on it

[muted cove]

Its wrong to refresh bleeds during your vendetta window isn't it?

[cobalt pelican]

no

in an ideal world you won't need to, but if you do need to you refresh them always do so

[radiant python]

Yes, I'm aware of how to activate it.

What is the general concusses of how many stacks to consume each time?

consensus

[cobalt pelican]

on thursdays between 7 and 11 and on fridays between 3 and 5

all other days you don't consume

[radiant python]

thanks man

you're super helpful!

[cobalt pelican]

literally 5 seconds of actually looking would've found you your answer

if you're not playing any other on use consume with every vendetta except the first one

[arctic walrus]

How do you use coral

[cobalt pelican]

no . . .

[arctic walrus]

[cobalt pelican]

one day i will get a coral and be able to ask this question myself : ' )

[austere scarab]

how do I actually use this razor coral thing

do I save it for 2nd vendetta?

ahahahaha

hell yeah

scrolled up some

[low junco]

nice

[cobalt pelican]

i'm proud of you dud you did it

[radiant python]

Yea, be careful of snarky edgelords!

[cobalt pelican]

truely

[radiant python]

I was unable to look at pins as i finally got it

apologies lol

too much excitement

Now I'm weighing the Harlans 440 vs Inkpod. Harlans parses better but I think I can get a guaranteed crit from the coral on the inkpod.

Not sure how sim handles that

[median hedge]

anyone feelycrafted third essence slot for m+?

tried simming but results were different from what i saw in keys

[arctic walrus]

pp/strife seems good

[cobalt pelican]

the gain from having coral during np is greater than the gain of inkpod critting (generally) so the sim will continue to use as normal

i think the only fight that it might be beneficial to consume any coral stacks outside vendetta would be a very slow 3phase ashvane kill

but even then if you vend 1 3 5 7 the 7min vend will probably be around inkpod pop time anyway, so it's safe to more or less assume you'll be using it with vend always

i gotta remember to keep getting my oscillators.. i don't even have pp2 yet

[radiant python]

So if my sim says harlans > inkpod thats correct?

I've seen so many conflicting things posted on reddit

[balmy quest]

Is that PTR change just a bugged tooltip?

[cobalt pelican]

a lot of other classes and specs don't have cooldowns as impactful/stackable as vendetta

so playing around inkpod crit is viable

critting nearly every spell during a 30% damage amp is p powerful

[balmy quest]

inkpod crit or coral crit?

[cobalt pelican]

inkpod critting because of coral

like just for rogues i'm p sure outlaw does it cause ar blows buttass

but it's just not worth it for us

so ya i'd trust the sim

ptr tooltips are always super wonky to begin with, just ignore most of them tbh

[opaque island]

So is mostly everyone playing assassination for all content?

[cobalt pelican]

assassination is playable for basically all content ya, outlaw is the most played spec in m+ though

[opaque island]

Gotcha. Thinking about alting my rogue to my shaman

[dim yacht]

What is the best way use coral when using font aswell? I know there's a pin, but it doesn't mention coral usage. Would best way to be font, wait for font to hit 20 seconds, then vendetta, and then coral as soon as available?

[cobalt pelican]

refer 2 mystlers post in #tc-updates

[gentle raft]

Whats the best trinket combo for a fortified week?

[fresh notch]

Are the mechagon rings BiS if they're socketed?

[dim yacht]

Oh I see. So hold off on vendetta and vanish entirely until coral is up/

[cobalt pelican]

you basically font, then hold vend until coral OR tb come up

whichever happens first

[dim yacht]

Gotcha, thank you.

[cobalt pelican]

if tb comes up first, tb+vend and coral as soon as you can, if coral comes up first, coral+vend and tb as soon as you can

mechagon rings are bonkers with or without a socket, so i'd imagine they're even better with a socket

bis lists are kinda a pipe dream these days but if you were to make one they'd be in it almost certainly

[fresh notch]

So its worthwhile just to get the pair of them anyway

[cobalt pelican]

ya the value on the affix is very high so unless you have alternative rings that are actually insane they'll probably be better unsocketed than most

[fresh notch]

Ok thanks

[fallow otter]

455 GCB in my chest fml

[ripe nimbus]

Week 6 of mythic Eternal Palace, still dont have 445 dagger... still reppin M+ 430 daggers.... does anyone know a nice bridge i can throw myself off of?

[dim yacht]

Has anyone noticed that sin/sub rogues are the only spec in the game that don't have a weapon with an equip effect? Feelsbadman

[fallow otter]

@ripe nimbus that was me in BOD

[ripe nimbus]

oh i had 415 daggers all the way to stormwall blockade prog. dont worry

[cobalt pelican]

sub can kinda sorta use folly and tusk

it's just kinda awkward

[dim yacht]

sub still exists outside of pvp?

[vale quest]

so why no Assassin's in MDI even after outlaw nerf?

[dim yacht]

because outlaw didnt get nerfed enough 😛

[vale quest]

So should I forget about doing dungeons as sin?

[dim yacht]

id like to think there might be some specific dungeons that are better for sin, but im hardly an expert

sin is absolutely viable for m+, just outlaw is better

a lot of it depends on your tank letting you stealth lol

[vale quest]

is assassin bettr than demon hunter?

[ancient onyx]

no Assa in mdi cuz they are playing +17 and pull shit ton of mobs. Assa is better for pushing rn

[cobalt pelican]

probably not, dh is like outlaw jr

[dim yacht]

is it, kappa?

is that because of smaller pulls?

[vale quest]

But assasin is still good?

[dim yacht]

absolutely

sin is still good

[ancient onyx]

yeah as longs as u have traits

assa is still good

for whatever key your playing

[quasi pewter]

its propably still ~2nd best m+ spec after outlaw

[dim yacht]

it becomes a lot better when your tank understands they shouldnt pull another pack when the last mob is at 5%

so you can restealth for garrotes

[ancient onyx]

thats why i refuse to play Assa with pugs

[cobalt pelican]

the first rogue in any group that does a reasonable amount of damage is more or less invaluable

[dim yacht]

i play with a pretty consistent tank, so i dont have that issue

[vale quest]

so in pugs its bad

[cobalt pelican]

it's fine

just try both?

[vale quest]

i dont like outlaw

[dim yacht]

then play sin

and youll do fine

even in pugs

[cobalt pelican]

then i don't understand the question

[quasi pewter]

i mean you dont have to play with 3 ss traits

if you play with 1 chainpulling actually doesnt matter

at all

[dim yacht]

mmm, ss is very powerful though

i dont really think theres any dungeon where you wouldnt wanna stack 3 ss

[uneven loom]

idk the 3 garrotes is pretty nice even just for the energy

[vale quest]

3 ss and 3 eb?

[quasi pewter]

you still get the 3 garrotes or wdym

[dim yacht]

eb is dependant on the dungeon. for general m+, yeah 3 eb is probably all around best. but some dungeons twist the knfie is better

i just run 3 eb 3 ss and call it a day

[quasi pewter]

if you do low keys ss is trash anyway most of the time

[dim yacht]

i disagree, on low keys ss is even better

[ancient onyx]

i like Outlaw in m+ much more. Assa feels like too much work for me most of the time

[quasi pewter]

i mean i guess if ur group has 0 dps yea

[ancient onyx]

[quasi pewter]

im not used to that i guess

[cobalt pelican]

yeah i mean what is good changes so much with how long packs live how the dungeon is pulled etc which is why people generally recommend avoiding dungeon slice (wrongly or rightly)

[quasi pewter]

everytime i do a low key shit dies in like 10 seconds

[cobalt pelican]

compared to outlaw where you can pretty much assume you do x and just scale it up or down with mob count

[dim yacht]

if youre doing a low key with a good group, yeah

but if youre doing a low key with a pug group, then no

[cobalt pelican]

if you're doing low enough keys with a blaster enough group i wouldn't be surprised if playing 3eb ma was the gamer move

[ancient onyx]

thats sweaty as fuck

[dim yacht]

i could see that being logical if youre doing insane pulls, for sure

[ancient onyx]

[dim yacht]

so not sin or even rogue related, but does the blue punchcard that increases swim speed work for blackwater behemoth?

[drifting cloud]

no

[dim yacht]

rip

[vale quest]

i only use parachute

[drifting cloud]

I mean it works if you dont take the buff I guess

but they dont stack

[dim yacht]

my goal for behemoth is just to perfect my swapblast timing when swimming over the chasm preboss to get someone killed

[ancient onyx]

yes

[fathom echo]

hey guys when do i CLF in the mut rup mut opener

after vend?

oh just found it in pins ignore me

actually is that pin accurate for the new opener

[strange python]

what are some useful macros and weak auras for this spec? im new to rogue and also just coming back to the game

[fallow otter]

mouse over sstep 🙂

[civic palm]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[crude chasm]

Guys, when do u use the Azshvane Razor?

[strange python]

thanks! any macros?

Hey Guys. What Major and Minor essences do you run. In my simc it is saying Worldvein comes out as a better minor than Lucid dreams, both are rank 2. Blood mallet says Lucid is better but simc is saying Worldvein is better. What do?

[sudden ocean]

If you can 100% guarantee your worldvein will always be at 4 stacks then it's better if your sim says so

if you can't I'd use lucid

[drifting cloud]

it wont be, use lucid

[strange python]

its only 200 agi vs 50% reduced energy costs

[full flame]

Finally got razor coral! And I can read pins! But now my question is more feelcrafty. Coral feels like trash with a 2nd on use so far. Would you drop ~100 dps and just throw in a proc trinket?

[vagrant urchin]

Is it worth using the benthic gloves that summon droplets?

[fallow otter]

@full flame well you play the game for fun, if its not fun then dont do it, but personally i enjoy getting the most out of what i have and the most will include using coral. I think you should learn how to use it correctly and it will feel great - getting a shitload of crit during your DPS CD window is awesome, whats not to enjoy?

@vagrant urchin yes

[drifting cloud]

4 line reply when you didnt even read his question correctly

lol

@full flame whats the other on use trinket, font?

[fallow otter]

he said proc trinket to replace coral

sim says 100dps loss

[drifting cloud]

well considering coral is the highest simming dps trinket, unless he has them at very different ilvls I think he meant dropping the other one and keeping coral

but he didnt say what the other one was, or well I guess I understood wrong then

[fallow otter]

yeh hes saying coral feels like shit to play, should he just use a passive trinket and take the 100dps loss - my reply is for that

[noble vale]

we got the NA dominance back for the memes boys

[full flame]

I mean proc trinket to replace cyclotronic in this case. My dice sims as a 100 dps loss. Admittedly i could make coral cyclo work but having just gotten coral it felt clunky together.

[drifting cloud]

cyclo is pretty easy to use with coral

I mean its only 100 like you said, but sometimes the prio dmg from cyclo is worth alot more

depending on content you are doing

[fallow otter]

and you can dps in situations when maybe you couldnt because you are dodging a mechanic

[timber pawn]

So hopefully someone can help me out, I just came back to game after 18 month layoff got up to 434 ilvl and have been following RH rotation / spell priority guide, but am running 2-3k dps behind what I am simming at. Any top guys got a few tips to drop on me?

[drifting cloud]

you shouldnt be aiming to hit your sim dps

[safe sluice]

is the azhara leather glove better than benthic?

[drifting cloud]

because you arent fighting target dummies for exactly 5mins

[timber pawn]

I am fighting target dummies for exactly 5 mins lol