assassination

[drifting cloud]

and its probably more accurate than whatever dungeon slice would sim for assa

[vestal wren]

2-2-2 is the most opinionated build there is

[rigid mango]

Dungeon slice likes fucking DD and shit

[vestal wren]

its like mentined the not entirely relatable way to make a spec good in every aspect

i say questionable bc. a lot of assumptions this build comes from are exactly that

[drifting cloud]

yeah the traits can change alot for assa depending on comp dungeon and affix

[tropic ocean]

2/2/2 is not optimized at all

It just works well for 98% of things

[vestal wren]

in the end everyone is just mindlessly folowing 2ss 2tt 2 eb

or goes 1ss 3 ttk 2 eb

[drifting cloud]

its just a good baseline, not sure how you can honestly figure out what would be better

[tropic ocean]

In reality you do/should change traits according to group/dungeon/affixes

[drifting cloud]

youd have to run a dungeon on same affix set 10s of times a week

with same group, same pulls

[tropic ocean]

2/2/2 will just fit most of people asking here in 8/10 cases well

[vestal wren]

in fact you can pick not optimal traits and play sub optimal and be still sucessfull

[cobalt pelican]

i think a modified fight script with larger packs would be pretty reliable for sin it just wouldn't line up very well with peoples feelies most likely

[vestal wren]

as a lot of m+ is not actually beeing super optimized there

[tropic ocean]

but then you wouldnt need sim at all

[vestal wren]

2-2-2 actually sims worse then some other builds

that get in here labled as trolling

[tropic ocean]

2/2/2 is not the best setup

[vestal wren]

you can lable that how you want

[tropic ocean]

And I guess most ppl know that

[cobalt pelican]

how easy is it to just increase the pack size on the alternating packs in dungeonslice

[rigid mango]

I'd like to see what build that gets labled as trolling that isn't 3 eb ss that sims higher

tbh

[cobalt pelican]

i've never touched fight scripts before

[vestal wren]

you can essentially do whatever you want with custom fight scripts

[tropic ocean]

and for statements here you should anyway always take them with a grain of salt as regularly ppl just copy paste what they heard but have 0 own xo

Xp

[cobalt pelican]

maybe i'll play around with it

[rigid mango]

if u do, spam link me shit

[vestal wren]

if you choose to use my custom fight script it actually maps the probabilties of packs to the duration of those in the sim

[fluid falcon]

to run your custom script do you need to have simcraft actually downloaded? I'm not figuring out how to use it on raidbots, maybe i'm stupid lol

[vestal wren]

you can use it in advanced sim

just paste it above your gear string

[polar bloom]

is there a big dps difference between assa and outlaw in m+ ?

[vestal wren]

depends on your traits

but assassination is better tuned in pure st, so if you go more st oriented it can provide a lot of benefits in tyranical weeks

[polar bloom]

hm kk

thanks

[vestal wren]

outlaw shines in aoe and priority target damage

[rigid mango]

Outlaw has a bit worse prio w wits nerf

[polar bloom]

outlaw is far ahead ?

[vestal wren]

ahh interessting would you mind show me the math/sims?

[magic fossil]

3 ttk with with 2 eb and 1 ss make my numbers in s+ comes pretty close of any outlaw out there

in m+*

[vestal wren]

nice

[strange python]

What are you ending dungeons with? And what stats are you going ?

@magic fossil

[magic fossil]

let me double check for not give u bad info

logging in

[cobalt pelican]

o yea that randomly reminds me

is there no equivalent to the priority rotation for sub for assassination

when i was trying to build orgozoa sets and see what was playable every assassination set seemed like butt besides just playing st wacker guy

[vestal wren]

the priority_rotation parameter works for both specs

[cobalt pelican]

it wasn't seeming to like

do anything

[vestal wren]

it limits the bleeds of assassination

[cobalt pelican]

oh yeah to 5

hmm

i guess all the numbers have been over for lower bleed caps right

just ancedotally playing orgozoa as sin and maintaining 5 bleeds seemed like a decent amount of dps lost on the boss but that is purely feelies

[rigid mango]

Just go 1 sob?

[cobalt pelican]

mmmmmmaybe

[arctic walrus]

Check wow general

[rigid mango]

gz

[vestal wren]

i think koji mentioned that mut would be more beneficial for prio damage then fok

so, if you want to deep dive into you could adjust apl to do mut there

(so when you dont need to use fok to refresh poisons)

[inner wedge]

Hey guys, any good tips on how to maximize dps on Asz Court(M)?

[echo cargo]

Do sims account for Phial of Arcane Tempest being at 6 stacks @ maximum uptime?

[vast forum]

sim account for how the game works on single target while standing still

also standing behind the target

[vestal wren]

well patchwork is more or less target dummy

you can btw adjust those parameters 😉

e.g. change that you stand infront

[nimble vault]

I love how my 435 wrists sime 25 dps higher than my 385 socketed benthic wrists. What a great system

[tropic ocean]

Welcome to season 3

[royal lantern]

2 pieces of gear

both sockets

stat growth with higher ilvl is not really big

1 piece has a additonal effect WITHOUT losing stats

ofc bethnic gear is (too) good

[icy girder]

remember when they said they wanted ilvl to be king

i do what a meme

[royal lantern]

tbh

[tropic ocean]

it was a typo

[royal lantern]

everyone knew it would not be that way 🤷

[nimble vault]

Gonna swap em in to sandbag my ilvl for the parse obviously

[scarlet sequoia]

they simply need to fix sockets 😄

[royal lantern]

except if they REALLY pushed mainstat too be a much bigger dmg/hps growth over everything else

[inner wedge]

Since I first started Palace my ilvl only decreased:)

[scarlet sequoia]

sockets right now is the most broken system ever

[tropic ocean]

i like soclets

they just need to increase stat growth per ilvl

[royal lantern]

sockets would be fine

[scarlet sequoia]

or just make sockets not rng

[royal lantern]

if you could get them without rng

[tropic ocean]

Or make mainstat actually good

[scarlet sequoia]

wtb old socket system

[vast forum]

mainstat is only bad because there's so much of it

[royal lantern]

like i said once before: let blacksmith/leatherworkers/tailors craft a AH item that gives you sockets, but you can only have X ammount of sockets on your character

[tropic ocean]

tbf lately I figured downsides of 2 much sockets as well

having sub 300k life can be very threatening in higher keys

[vast forum]

just gem vers lol

[tropic ocean]

lul

need stamina gems

[royal lantern]

it just feels like total shit that 1 week after raid opening the only way too get better gear is

[wild stone]

All items socketed!

[royal lantern]

get mythic items with sockets

or insane tforges with sockets in m+

[vast forum]

but your point is invalid @tropic ocean

you can have max stam with sockets

455 gear isn't exempt from having sockets 😛

[tropic ocean]

yeah

[vast forum]

just get lucky loooooooooooooool

[tropic ocean]

felt weird getting 1shot by sky capn in 17

😂😂

[royal lantern]

just feint it every time

[wild stone]

Yeah just forget about CD bro

Feint feint feint

[tropic ocean]

i‘d really like to have some currency from raid like that shit u collect for essence

To buy t-set like bonuses

assa with antorus 4p 🤓🤓🤓

[royal lantern]

if i learned 1thing from my guildmates

its

''why did you not use cloak''

for everything

[jolly comet]

honestly feinting and not getting hit makes me

cause i dont have a chance to prove to pug healers how gosu i am. then the next shot i get hit with no feint up and look bad

how could blizzard do this to me

[magic sparrow]

How do we feel about Gloves of Incomparable Beauty ?https://www.wowhead.com/item=168887/gloves-of-incomparable-beauty&bonus=4798:1487

[jolly comet]

aethanel is a first phase mob on azshara

not sure why it says it drops from her its from the last boss

[magic sparrow]

yeah ik. its simming higher than my 430 with a socet but idk, giving up a socket for the on use ability seems wack.

[jolly comet]

I dont think its an on use. Its a proc

the whole raid goes off at the same time i believe

theres also a belt for leather that is a crit proc

[magic sparrow]

i also says "random mob within 60 yards". so wait... it only happens on certain bosses at certain times?

[jolly comet]

it happens every 2 min

the entire raid if they are wearing their version

they all get the thing at the same time

[magic sparrow]

aaaah so useless in m+

[jolly comet]

yea

[magic sparrow]

got it

[jolly comet]

idk prob easier to get a higher ilvl slot with socket

[magic sparrow]

asuming Queen is on farm yeah

my 430with a socket has to be better then

[jolly comet]

yea ive gotten literally everything else from azshara except those items

[magic sparrow]

might only be simming higher due to my current weights

[jolly comet]

not sure about the sim

but prob has some weird conditions

[magic sparrow]

yeah. still th glovees have to be better thn the socket in raid i imagine

forgt a couple E's there

[cobalt pelican]

the azshara gloves are v good

in pretty much every environment

they're basically benthic that you can't force to socket but are usable everywhere in the world

[vale quest]

Whats easier to roll a benthic bracer or glove

[cobalt pelican]

if you're aiming for puffer/ori wrists are easier, if you specifically want ori gloves are easiest to roll

[vale quest]

are puffer/ori similiar dmg?

the 2 wrists

[cobalt pelican]

yeah, kinda

ori are just way more reliable

[placid flint]

Just started to gear up my sin rogue....What essences am i aiming for with M+

[vocal ginkgo]

@placid flint

think bote and memory

its what has been being recommended

[placid flint]

Cheers ❤

Good week for bote

[void wharf]

yo quick question

finally got razor coral, whats the best way to use it, or is there a vid that explains it?

[civic palm]

[dapper plover]

mize check the pins rok

[tired shell]

does guardian of azeroth benefit from your own buffs?

[cobalt pelican]

that depends on what you mean

it scales with versatility and haste

so weapon enchant procs for example will effect the guardian

[strange python]

anybody know if there is a way to sim myself with 2nd minor if i'm not 65 yet

[woeful minnow]

change neck_level in your simc paste to 65

er azerite_level

on the neck line

[strange python]

says cannot make valid combinations

[woeful minnow]

ya

you need to pick 2 minors now

it can't sim 2 slots with just 1 selection

[strange python]

ahh

ty

[vale quest]

can i do 90%+ without the bracers/gloves?

[cobalt pelican]

yes

[neat remnant]

!essences

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[vale quest]

cause i just can't get those to drop and doing this wqs on 8 toons every day is starting to melt my brain

[cobalt pelican]

if y ou don't wanna do it don't do it

for example for me comparing 425 ori/poen to random alternative pieces (450 wrists no socket, 430 gloves socketed) is like 1.1k dps

and 90th percentile is like, several thousand behind top ranks on most fights

[umbral mauve]

The reason to play bote major on zaqul is to get more dmg during burst phases?

[drifting cloud]

its too kill the adds

since they are less than 2 min apart alot of rogues take VoP

and bote is already 90s not 2min

[umbral mauve]

I see

[strange python]

what second minor aer we using?

[bleak spoke]

@vestal wren there’s no way you can believe that outlaw prio dam hasn’t changed at least a bit since the nerfs given the mechanism is slower, and most of us who play sin in high keys have never said 222 was the best build

Just that 222 was a good primer for the way that sin is observably the strongest in high keys and that you can play the build and be successful in any key

The sin builds in keys all center around play side bias - the more ss you play the more short period burst post stealth you have and the stronger your vanish becomes, the more ttk you play the harder you funnel into envenom dam, the more eb you play the more sustained aoe you can output

[strange python]

ashvane mythic. if i'm rocking coral/inkpod combo should i save all coral stacks for 30% when inkpod activates

or just treat coral like normal

using it on vendetta

[quasi pewter]

save for inkpod

when 2 phasing though you can line it all up together aswell

atleast thats how it worked out for me last time

[bleak spoke]

At what point do you have to start stacking for bote + coral to guarantee a crit

Like how long does it have to stack rather

[arctic walrus]

Depends on your current crit

But can't you calculate how much % each stack gives you, then add 25% to your current crit value and divide the difference from a 100 but that %

[marble elm]

yes

[worldly ledge]

Morning lads!
I am a bit ccurious about the opener. I saw 2 types of opener and I wish to know which is the best. I saw an opener like gar muti rup vend muti tb vanish enve.
The secojd one is muti rup muti gar vend tb vanis and the basic rotation after that. So ehich is the best and why there are 2 types of them ?

[polar shale]

opener depends on traits/talents (specifically subterfuge or master assassin)

the 2nd one can also end up being muti muti rupt gar,if your 1st muti only gives 2-3 cp

[worldly ledge]

Oh I forget to say thqt MA talent, 3DD 1 NP 2 TK

[polar shale]

thatd be the 2nd one then,more mutis with ma crit buff

[worldly ledge]

So it change nothing, but the number of crits with muti

[polar shale]

muti benefits from ma more than garrote cause crit buff isnt snapshotted

and cant crit for extra cps as well

[worldly ledge]

I see. Thank u, have a nice day!

[tribal marlin]

I personnaly do Gar Mut Guardian Rupt then Vend vanish TB mut Env

It feels better because 1st env benefit from EP bonus dmg :3

[nimble tartan]

@arctic walrus grats bro

now give me all the secret juice

[muted maple]

does DD get more bang for your buck in m+ over NP?

nvm

[arctic walrus]

The secret was the friendship you develop along the way

[nimble tartan]

fuck...

how does it feel being free vel

next raid next year bro

[arctic walrus]

Bro I'm giving up retail for world first rag

[arctic walrus]

bbi in m+ isn't any better than ss/eb/ttk right

[sullen pagoda]

yea i dont think its better if u have equal piece but idk just feelycraft

i guess most of m+ stuff comes down to feelycraft

[rigid mango]

Bbi is like, potentially really good, but it it procs when you're just finishing off mobs or smth it's quite bad

[fleet flume]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[arctic walrus]

trying out 3ttk/2eb/1ss for tyrn week idk

[rigid mango]

I'm lucky enough to have 2/2/2 with only one 420 piece so

[arctic walrus]

420/445/435 lol

[rigid mango]

Yah I've got gold tasseled and behemoth at 445

[nimble tartan]

i scrappped gold tasseled cause im a slave to goraks

[rigid mango]

I'm debating just ignoring goraks

[arctic walrus]

do you have em yet

[rigid mango]

Nah

[arctic walrus]

a 430 dice

[rigid mango]

Dice

[arctic walrus]

Idk what to do anymore

I'm tired of islands

[rigid mango]

[sudden ocean]

All I do is islands and bgs

[arctic walrus]

No point to islands cuz I'll just hit 65 on reset

[nimble tartan]

dont need 65 boss is dead bro you're free...

wow is dead to u until next raid u did it

[arctic walrus]

Taking 3 weeks off for classic too

[rigid mango]

classic

[sudden ocean]

3 weeks

[rancid granite]

Is there a guide/pin to see what benthic to use over (hc) raid drops? Or ‘just sim it’ ?

!benthic

[rigid mango]

It's in the pins 😄

[zinc furnace]

What essences do you guys plan to slot for ST and M+ with 65 neck?

3rd ones

[merry sparrow]

think it will be blood of the enemy + lucid dreams + conflict and strife

for m+

[tribal marlin]

For few test I did, C&S is quite meh since you get stack drop off after the pack end

and you barely reach 8 stack on a single pack

_Iris give a hell lot of ST dps with being really close to other option is aoe

_Protocol is purely AoE dmg and it does a LOT of dmg. (even more in WM)

_VoP is all about QoL like doing 2 vendetta on a 2mn kill timer boss or having vendetta up more often for priority add.

_CLF and Flame are good in general too.

My bet is that Protocol will be the go to option with Iris/Flame being a option for more ST dmg in Tyranical week and VoP a situationnal option.

also
_Ripple in Space have a wierd mechanics that make it "hold the proc" while out of combat so that you mostly have it procing at the begining of each pack. Seems a bit tricky to refresh every 30sec tho

[vestal wren]

@bleak spoke didnt say that, but the nerf does not mean that outlaw does significantly less prio damage.
And directly pointing out that outlaw does worse prio after mentioning that outlaw does higher prio sounds like outlaw is worse there.

For traits, i am not sure i can follow, every time i read the channel 2ss 2ttk 2 eb is suggested
3ttk 2ev 1ss is suggested as an alternative.

As you mentined all traits have their strenghs/weaknesses but this also means that its somewhat absurd to only have those 2 build paths mentioned all the time.
Besides that i still think some traits are valued wrongly and taken/not taken for the wrong reason.
But let me emphasize again that a lot of high key is not about the spec optimization rather knowledge of the key/pulls.

so if you run high keys you still can play sub-optimal and be fine (in every lvl of play)

[zinc furnace]

As for traits i think blightborn from gorsk tuls shoulders is a thing to consider

[vestal wren]

blightborn is super good

[zinc furnace]

Also good in m+. I run 1 eb, 2ttk, 2ss and bb.

Very satisfied this week

Also got a socketed coral

But before u kill me its LFR 😂

[vestal wren]

big gz

[zinc furnace]

Y, still happy. Looks fun with 440ilvl total

[bleak spoke]

Agreed. Personally I think I’d rather play a setup with 2 ttk 1 eb 1 blightborne and 2 ss

And probs swap an ss for eb on heavy trash dungeons

My sin m+ set has ~41% base crit and a spyglass + coral. With this season I think I should gear to approach 100% crit on pulls basically (with 3-4 coral stacks and procs I think I might even overcap)

Ideally if I can sustain 85-90k dps on most pulls that are medium in size I think maybe it’ll win out against outlaw in the end

[rigid mango]

You're running 11% haste right?

[bleak spoke]

I think though the reason why these builds are suggested because at the high end there’s the implication there that you have to do something better than outlaw should you play sin

Yeah 11.4 or so

[rigid mango]

hm

9% felt real good to play with

[bleak spoke]

If you have iris you can get away with less I think

[rigid mango]

Aye I've been running iris

but currently on the bote farm soi

[restive smelt]

@bleak spoke how many Overwhelming pieces? I just dropped from 16 to 12 and it took awhile to adapt to.

Haste

[bleak spoke]

3

[restive smelt]

Ah nice

[bleak spoke]

But as I get eb pieces the odds are against me for keeping 3

[rigid mango]

Wait what pieces do you run lettuce?

I'm running 2/2/2 2 op 1 flames

[bleak spoke]

Atm still using somewhat older gear but 445 goraks Blackwater and an irontide from last season

[rigid mango]

So you don't run 2/2/2?

hm

[bleak spoke]

when i play 222 i use orgo shoulders

just hc ones though

didnt get one from mythic zz

[rigid mango]

Aye I don't have them :/

idk, I'm unsure how much haste is aight to drop to with 2 op + iris + lucid

[tropic ocean]

i have 5%

[rigid mango]

Yeah so can I do

[tropic ocean]

and I would go less if I could

[rigid mango]

but I'm fucking about with haste values seeing if something atleast feels better

I wonder if I just go 4 bleeds and rely on procs for last one

[tropic ocean]

for the moments where haste is an issue usually have bl or op/iris/quick nav

[rigid mango]

I mean if I can reliably go for 4 bleeds instead of 5

[tropic ocean]

in small packs like 3-4 mobs popping vendetta as well so not really an issue for me

[rigid mango]

that's a gcd saved from ramping into damage

[tropic ocean]

the more I reduced haste and increased crit the better it felt playstyle wise so I just kept going

[rigid mango]

yeah I mean I've been running 6%

only because I have sivara dagger

[rancid granite]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[tropic ocean]

and for the blightborne thing, i think its not a good trait - while it probably evens out over the course of a dungeon I don‘t want to use up a outer ring slot for a proc based trait - I tried using bbi in s2 and it just feels so bad when it procs at the end of a pack

while other choices in outer rings are just on demand there when you need them

[tribal marlin]

Is there a way to force the trigger of Ripple in Space

I'd like to see the numbers in a situation like Ripple proc at the pull and then proc another time 30sec after

800 agility buff with like 66% uptime feel huge

[modest tendon]

can I confirm, the damage scaling of EB is non linear right? so the bigger the pack you do purportionally more damage

[tidal jetty]

it "only" triggers for the first 5 crits, so its linear up after guaranteed 5 procs

[modest tendon]

and thats why assa dont do unholy damage on larger packs, ty

it occured to me that this is why bote works quite well with EB, escpecially on tyrannical weeks becasue you can do bigger pulls to make the most of EB

not to mention the extra boss damage

[rigid mango]

I think bote is just insane

it's good in like, every aspect of sin in m+

helps with prio, helps with aoe, helps with cleave, helps with ST

it's good in any and every scenario and all you invest is 1 gcd

[modest tendon]

ye, i do think iris might potentially be better when you only have 1 EB but bote is good in like every scenario as you say

[rigid mango]

uhh, iris might be better then yeah

but in what scenario would you want 1 eb where blood wouldn't be better

I only run 1 eb in shit like kr and tos, and bote is better there

[lime path]

I still haven't even farmed my blood of the enemy r2 or r3 yet

I probably should

[rigid mango]

This is the week to do so

[fervent jasper]

I hear everyone saying 2/2/2 is the best M+ set up. Right now I'm running 3 ttk, 2 eb, 1 ss. How important is it that I drop a ttk for an ss? My big issue is tanks not letting me restealth so I wanted to reduce my dependency on it

[rigid mango]

It's not super important

2/2/2 just lways works

[strange python]

If I'm understanding properly, out of steath I'm wanting to garrote as many mobs in a pack as I can quickly, correct? For SS?

[cobalt pelican]

you can only garrote 3 and it doesn't need to be particularly quickly as long as it's your first 3 globals

[strange python]

Ok

And then I use FOK for EB and just envenom while there's enough adds for 5cp?

or is vanish to re-garrote worth it? (assuming fortified)

[prisma monolith]

The way to use coral in M+ is using it on your priority target,
and then whenever that target dies, reapply it to your next target.
Whenever your target dies it gives you the crit it would give from using it,
so consuming the stacks for crit mid pack is generally suboptimal.

[steady owl]

Is crucible of flames major better for raids now than lucid major? It sims higher. I don’t have bote or clf

[sour wasp]

if it sims better, go for it

[steady owl]

okidoki

[sour wasp]

you must have insane haste

or idk

[night cypress]

ok gang my parses are ass, can I chalk it up to suboptimal azerite and trinkets or am I going to have to examine myself

[scarlet sequoia]

link it mate

[tropic ocean]

examine yourself

trinkets suboptimal traits wont make parses ass

[night cypress]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xfWMjZ76gHRCpTwb/#boss=-2&difficulty=0&source=16

I think that linked correctly

[tropic ocean]

you overcap

you only use 1 vendetta when you can use 2

you cap energy

you refresh garrote too early

you are using meticulous scheming so when you proc it you should try to use 3 different spells to get the haste buff

else its a worthless trait

[night cypress]

ya that one's less of a choice

[tropic ocean]

its not an optimal choice but with your current playstyle you don't use it at all so its like having no trait

your opener is completely wrong

you don't use vendetta

https://prnt.sc/ou75en

this is really bad too

[night cypress]

which fight are you looking at? because I definitely vendetta open

[tropic ocean]

you don't want to use lucid during master assassin buff

i'm just looking at first fight

you use vendetta first time at 2 min 10 seconds

and in other fights you use vendetta badly

https://prnt.sc/ou760r

this is your opener

[tribal marlin]

tbh I think we should compare not BotE vs Iris

but BotE + 3 FoK vs Iris

since you take at least 4 global to do iris

[tropic ocean]

https://prnt.sc/ou767r

this is how your opener should look

[tribal marlin]

Personnally I open Garrote -> Mutilate -> Guardian -> Rupture

but that's just me

[junior flume]

You waste a lot of your MA buff like that though

[tropic ocean]

imagine using 2 no dmg spells during ma

🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷

[tribal marlin]

I loose 1 Mutilate inside MA windows

I win 2 garrote tick and my first envenom benefit from EP

I lose 1 rupt tick tho

[tropic ocean]

you gain low cp rupture in worst case

and gimp yourself on cp too

[tribal marlin]

no

[tropic ocean]

yes

[tribal marlin]

I do Garot -> Mut to 4+ -> guardian -> rupt

[tropic ocean]

yes so

you gimp yourself

unless you have 100% crit chance

which you don't

[tribal marlin]

MA "new" opener was only a very minor gain with BotE

it was neutral in other situation

that's why they implemented it

[tropic ocean]

ma new opener is just guaranteed 4 cp envenom

but thats not the point

using guardian during ma buff is just

bad

_>Garrote -> Mutilate -> Guardian -> Rupture

worst case

garrote 1 cp mutilate 3 cp

then what

[tribal marlin]

well I do believe that the value you add to your mutilate during MA

is barely equal to the value of having EP up in you first Vend+TB envenom

[tropic ocean]

its about the cp man

[tribal marlin]

I mean it was an upgrade because of BotE

[tropic ocean]

can you read

?

[tribal marlin]

I don't understand what do you mean

[drifting cloud]

dont bother trying to reason with him

[tropic ocean]

there is no point in using guardian during master assa buff

it doesn't benefit from it

[tribal marlin]

We used Gar -> Mut -> Rupt opener for 2 tier

[tropic ocean]

yes

gar-mut-rupt

not gar-mut-guardian rup

[tribal marlin]

What's the difference between Rupt and Guard

[tropic ocean]

and the new opener is good, cuz its guaranteed cp you will have before vanish

even if u don't crit mutilate

[tribal marlin]

I mean there is no difference, both does not benefit from MA crit buff

[tropic ocean]

because with 1 spell you get bleed and energy rec rolling

and with other spell not

the sole reason to use bleeds during ma is to get energy rec rolling

[tribal marlin]

Why do you ignore the fact that your first big envenom is inside EP

[tropic ocean]

how is it big?

when the other is 5 cp

and yours is 4

[tribal marlin]

it's not 4

most of the time it's 5

[tropic ocean]

so u just spam mutilates to 5 cp

or what

[keen pumice]

🤔

[languid ore]

If you Sim your character you can get optimal opener from sim

[tribal marlin]

Gar -> mut -> Guard -> Rupt -> vend -> Vanish -> TB -> Mut -> Env

[tropic ocean]

wtf

[raven mica]

Guard?

Oh CLF

[tropic ocean]

how is this opener superior to new ma opener when you talk about envenom?

[tribal marlin]

Your first env is buffed by EP

that's all

[night cypress]

sorry, when you say I overcap do you mean buffs or energy?

[tropic ocean]

yeah but you also only hit 1 evenom into master assa

while on the other you hit 2

[junior flume]

Energy quack 🙂 I think

[tropic ocean]

one of them is mostly 5 cp

and the other 4

[tribal marlin]

I mean we can do the sims and it will show that the difference between legacy open, my open and new open is close to target error

[languid ore]

Do a quick Sim miki

[tropic ocean]

your opener will be worse than the both

[tribal marlin]

it's just the open I use because I dislike having my 1st envenom outside of EP and do believe new open is not a gain with CLF, but indeed we just talk about feelcraft here

[tropic ocean]

but go custom sim it

[languid ore]

Quick Sim to end argument

[drifting cloud]

atleast youre capable of getting an orange log in mythic Miki, he isnt

all theory, no practice

[tribal marlin]

chill we just discussing

[languid ore]

Oh damn. Roasted

[tribal marlin]

maybe i'm wrong

[tropic ocean]

@drifting cloud do you have any substantial thing to bring into an arugment or just trashtalk?

[junior flume]

Kill > parses though 😛

[tribal marlin]

I definitly believe that the difference, should it be positif or negativ is very minor

[tropic ocean]

cuz maths don't get influenced by being a better player or not

[drifting cloud]

maybe you should hit the dummy more instead of getting so upset by 1 global

[tropic ocean]

maybe you shouldn't talk at all if you don't have anything to bring it

[drifting cloud]

on a talent row that isnt some huge thing by defaulkt anyways

[tribal marlin]

but as you mentionned the MA opener strenght come by having guarentee 5 cp after the opener

[bleak spoke]

using guardian in ma is pretty dumb

[tribal marlin]

which was a win because of BOTE

so that you always do TB into BotE into Env with 5 cp

without bote, I'm pretty sure it's neutral with old opener

[tropic ocean]

just custom sim it

and see

[bleak spoke]

i mean you still shouldnt like

like why waste your cp

you have 3 globals where the chances of getting a 4 point muti is large

[void venture]

the mechagon trinket does not work with master assasin, correct?

[bleak spoke]

it doesn

t

[void venture]

got it

[bleak spoke]

otherwise our opener would be cyclotronic out of stealth garrote lmao

[void venture]

yeah, would be sick tho

[bleak spoke]

would be pretty cheesy

Idk I have a variation on the listed opener tbh

[languid ore]

Sim it 🗣🗣

[bleak spoke]

If I get a 4 point muti twice I’ll garrote guardian vendetta envenom muti to 3+ then tb van

[tribal marlin]

ok I will try to sim it (was quite lazy to tbh) but I will

even if I know it will be in any case a very minor difference

[bleak spoke]

Cuz more important than having ep be on your vanish window is having env buff for dd proc chance

[tropic ocean]

it won't be a very big difference yes

but why not use the better options when you can

[bleak spoke]

Like I’m convinced my variation is accurate

M R M G guardian vend env M tb van env m env etc

The rupture lasts through the tb for 3 globals so out of the last env you m g r

[tribal marlin]

Will be hard to sim your variation

[languid ore]

Quick sim

And look at optimal opener

[tribal marlin]

apl will naturaly use TB asap

[tropic ocean]

what quick sim

[bleak spoke]

And then you actually have energy to extend ep without losing anything

[tropic ocean]

you need to custom sim

[tribal marlin]

need to make a special exception for 1st TB to be fit after Env

[tropic ocean]

to change the openers to how you want it

[bleak spoke]

On the second rupture

So your ep buff actually lasts longer throughout vendetta than the normal opener

[languid ore]

Or you can just look at the most optimal recommended opener

[bleak spoke]

Since you saved cp

[tribal marlin]

There is also a variation when you only get 3cp out of 1st mutilate

[bleak spoke]

Lmao if you don’t realize we were part of the ppl who lobbied for the current opener since last tier

[tribal marlin]

which should lead to M M R G in the current apl

[bleak spoke]

That’s wrong too though

You should m g r in that case

Cuz your probability of wasting is lower and you need the energy from having garrote on in that case cuz you’re down cp

[tropic ocean]

https://prnt.sc/ou7egf

sim does this

obviously

but the interesting thing would be to see the difference between the openers

[bleak spoke]

Yeah that’s the modern opener

[tropic ocean]

also, I guess it has a more or less impact depending on the gear

[bleak spoke]

But I don’t think it’s accurate to Tb at 5 there

[tropic ocean]

I do the same

[bleak spoke]

Cuz unless you get a lucid proc you lose energy

[tropic ocean]

but I guess it depends on your traits as well

[tribal marlin]

But the apl do M M R G in case it get only 3cp

[bleak spoke]

Yeah I’ve been doing that opener since stormwall last tier

[tropic ocean]

e.g. I have 2x ttk so I could see having 2 envenom inside vanish is big

[bleak spoke]

But as I said recently I changed it a bit

Yeah I have ttks but also 2 dd

[tropic ocean]

i got 2 ttk 2 dd 1 np 1 loyal

take what you can get

[bleak spoke]

I think with 2+ dd you want to roll env buff asap

And env is more energy positive than muti

[tropic ocean]

sim tells me to drop np and take bbi for it

but without 1 np the opener feels very clunky

[bleak spoke]

Yeah

[tropic ocean]

so I take the 120dps loss

since I don't play as well as sim anyway

[bleak spoke]

I play with a blightborne atm and it feels good

[tropic ocean]

do you have np in another piece?

for me it would mean to drop my only np

[bleak spoke]

Siege helm

Ttk np op

I’m still rocking ceph jacket from last tier

[edgy pawn]

Might be a stupid question, but does mastery increase env dmg?

[bleak spoke]

Mhm

Very good scalingwise too

[rigid mango]

one of the reasons why mastery is good for m+

[bleak spoke]

I think mastery scaling for sin is some of the highest in the game

Sub is higher but lol

[distant lava]

cough sub cough

[rigid mango]

Subs mastery zoinks

Scary shit

[raven mica]

Where’s my sub aura buff blizzard

[edgy pawn]

Yeah, thought so, but iirc tooltips says "your poisons", so i wasnt sure

Thanks

[bleak spoke]

yeah its really unclear

[raven mica]

Ya took me swordarm and me pegleg on Tuesday, give me my weeb rogue spec back

[bleak spoke]

cuz like mp also says poisons but that doesnt affect env

[distant lava]

I think WW monk mastery is pretty fucking good too

[tropic ocean]

it used to

but they changed it with bfa

[bleak spoke]

yeah ww mastery is very strong

good, i dont want to play mp

i think mp is stupid

ep makes your game so much more dynamic

[rigid mango]

Mp says weapon poisons tho

doesn't it?

[night cypress]

it's just dull, right

[bleak spoke]

yeh

in a perfect world we'd play blindside and tb would be baseline

[raven mica]

kingsbane would be where toxic blade is

[tropic ocean]

mp used to inc all poison dmg

[bleak spoke]

having exsang and tb at the same time would make life really really interesting

[tropic ocean]

they changed it with bfa launch

[night cypress]

before I found resources I was playing blindside because it seemed correct, came in here and was gently coerced into one of the other choices

[raven mica]

Or kingsbane and TB at the same time

[bleak spoke]

blindside is just way too behind

pretty sure muti does more damage even in execute

[night cypress]

yeesh

[bleak spoke]

cuz of the cp gen

[raven mica]

Yea dispatch is only good when you get the free proc

LUL

[night cypress]

speaking of EB tho, should I be aiming to keep it up as much as possible or not overwrite my envenom buff

[tropic ocean]

dont care about it

play normal rotation/priority

and it will keep care of it automatically

[bleak spoke]

err, so you can actually minmax it

it varies on haste but

if you do the ST rotation enough there will be a point where you know kinda instinctively whether you can clip ep or not

but the pattern should always be to get your mutis in the EP window following envenom

[night cypress]

just based on your energy regen at the time?

[bleak spoke]

you should never pool at low cp

[severe sedge]

any guide for assa in EP? wit htips for each boss

[bleak spoke]

yeh

@severe sedge theres some on wowhead

[severe sedge]

not that detailed

[bleak spoke]

youd have to read logs

[tropic ocean]

https://www.wowhead.com/guides/assassination-rogue-eternal-palace-raid-tips-bfa

[severe sedge]

im lookming for main objective

[bleak spoke]

or ask in here i guess

for specific fights

[rigid mango]

Killing the boss

[severe sedge]

like waht bosses to just single target

and what to multi dot etc

[bleak spoke]

like all of them

[severe sedge]

no pad?

just full single?

[bleak spoke]

sin's role in raid is to pump the bosses

[tropic ocean]

pad won't benefit you killing the boss any better so

no, no pad

[bleak spoke]

like if i played sin on orgozoa for example i wouldnt even swap off

[severe sedge]

thats what i do now

[bleak spoke]

on ashvane there's like 1 moment in your rotation every 40ish seconds where its lossless to rupture a bubble

[severe sedge]

just full single

[bleak spoke]

so usually you just hard ignore

[night cypress]

Fellas these tips are good for my dps but awful for getting invited back

[bleak spoke]

man youre not going to do relevant damage to the bubbles anyway

though you can spend envenoms on them instead of the boss

if ppl aren't getting out

[severe sedge]

but lookign at logs, do they rly dump 57-60k just singletarget?

[raven mica]

or just swap to outlaw

[tropic ocean]

it depends heavy on killtime

and no 57-60k is usually not st

[bleak spoke]

57-60k doesn't happen in st

[tropic ocean]

but having a good log =//= doing whats best to kill the boss

[rigid mango]

^

[bleak spoke]

most big logs are pad

[severe sedge]

i sim 41k

[tropic ocean]

good logs come naturally when you play the encounter well and your team does too, and the killtimes get lower

[severe sedge]

and i parse like shit

in mythic

hc is fine

[vapid scarab]

well 41k is on the lower end

[drifting cloud]

well 41k isnt alot

[junior flume]

Same my mythics are shit 😛

with 46k sim

[vapid scarab]

player error

[junior flume]

No doubt ^^

[tropic ocean]

its also somewhat reliant on your raid as well

[severe sedge]

well, if i do 41k i still parse blue

[tropic ocean]

in mythic?

[severe sedge]

on some bosses

yea

[drifting cloud]

yeah thats not true at all

[tropic ocean]

on first 3 bosses

[rigid mango]

Which boss 😄

[tropic ocean]

41k will be rorange log

or close to

[rigid mango]

And link your logs

[drifting cloud]

even on 1st boss 41k is probably purple

[rigid mango]

Instead of talking about it

[sullen pagoda]

imagine being in for 1st boss

[severe sedge]

qq 44k for purple

[tropic ocean]

??? what boss

[vapid scarab]

it's a dagger boss, if you aren't in for first boss your RL is trolling you

[severe sedge]

ora 49k for purple

zq 47k for purple

[sullen pagoda]

i got main hand not oh

[tropic ocean]

are you trolling

[sullen pagoda]

but 50 warlocks including me on warlock need gear from it

so rogues are lower prio

[tropic ocean]

49k orgozoa log

is top 100

on assa

what purple

[sullen pagoda]

probably cuz not many assa logs on it

[twilit portal]

EB only

[tropic ocean]

47k zaqul is top 100 too

either your numbers are wrong or idk

[sullen pagoda]

ye but not many people killed zaqul

u need to take that into consideration

[tropic ocean]

how does it matter

[rigid mango]

J U S T L I N K L O G S

[tropic ocean]

when hes saying he logs purple

even tho the dps numbers he tells are top 100

[drifting cloud]

well I doubt the guy simming 41k has killed mythic zaqul

[severe sedge]

i have not, just swapped to sin

from outlaw

[tropic ocean]

how do you have 47k zaqul log

[severe sedge]

lookingm at logs, maybe im reading wrong

[tropic ocean]

if u didnt kill it

[twilit portal]

why ppl use iris as 3rd essence when it sim 800 under other for me, 0 logic

[severe sedge]

i dont

[tropic ocean]

im confused

[severe sedge]

im looking on logs

putting in 80th percent

and that i a purple log?

[drifting cloud]

so youre looking at bosses with 100-200 logs

[cobalt pelican]

he's looking at heroic

p sure

[drifting cloud]

well he said mythic at the start

[severe sedge]

mythic

not heroic

[rigid mango]

You're swedish, right?

[drifting cloud]

I mean do you know how logs works?

[tropic ocean]

wait you are looking at wcl page

sort it by 80%

and compareit to ur dps?

[severe sedge]

yes

is that wrong?`

[tropic ocean]

you shouldn't do that

[drifting cloud]

if theres 200 logs there can only be 10 orange ones

[sullen pagoda]

yep

[severe sedge]

yes

[sullen pagoda]

thats what i meant Ryler

[severe sedge]

but that would make me log shit right?

[tropic ocean]

with 41k dps at current standings

yes

[severe sedge]

since log is off %?

so im not that dumb..

[sullen pagoda]

if you are in high ranked guild sure @severe sedge

[tropic ocean]

theres no point comparing your sim dps to logs

[severe sedge]

ofc

i cant get a good parse

if i play like a robot 🙂

[tropic ocean]

if you play like a robot

you will have a good parse

[severe sedge]

since there are so few kills

[tropic ocean]

cuz he will do everything correct

[severe sedge]

if i sim 41, and 47 in 80%

[tropic ocean]

but the sim dps doesn't reflect the dps in a real raid scenario

[severe sedge]

i cant get to 47?

so bad log?

[tropic ocean]

no

zaqul is not a single target fight

[severe sedge]

or am i not understanding logs?

[drifting cloud]

lol-

[rigid mango]

[sullen pagoda]

u sim 41k on pure ST

zaqul isnt pure ST

[tropic ocean]

people have high dps in zaqul because there is a lot of adds

[severe sedge]

just asked about that

[sullen pagoda]

and it has dmg increase phases

[tropic ocean]

same with orgozoa

[severe sedge]

and you all said just do singletarget

[tropic ocean]

yes

[sullen pagoda]

so you are comparing apples to oranges

[severe sedge]

i mso confused rn 🙂

[drifting cloud]

besides, if you sim 41k and actually raid mythic

get more gear

[tropic ocean]

you should do st as this is what helps you kill the boss

[severe sedge]

working on it bro

[tropic ocean]

you shouldn't care about your log as long as its not bottom grey

[severe sedge]

we only got 3 bosses

[drifting cloud]

getting assa to like 45k isnt that much of a sweat

[tropic ocean]

your logs will naturally go higher as you kill the encounter over and over and your gear gets better and your kill time lower

theres many things that play in having a good log or not

[severe sedge]

need sockets on benthic

[tropic ocean]

but when you are progressing you shouldn't worry about it at all

[severe sedge]

so i keep pumping my 37-38k on bosses and look happy?

logging green and low blue?

[scarlet sequoia]

Hell yeah dude

[severe sedge]

feel like a pleb

[sullen pagoda]

[tropic ocean]

you shouldn't

[vapid scarab]

you're doing something wrong if you do 37-38k and sim 41

[tropic ocean]

lol

dont troll him

[severe sedge]

moving

[sullen pagoda]

he means push your dps for sake of killing boss not having good parse

[vapid scarab]

move less

[sullen pagoda]

[severe sedge]

ill stop doing that

just nuke 🙂

[raven mica]

Or you have to do mechanics on a fight

Kinda hard to pull sim numbers on a boss like idk

[vapid scarab]

so figure out how to keep higher uptime while still doing them

[raven mica]

Lady assvane

[vapid scarab]

??

[tropic ocean]

kinda hard to pull sim numbers on any boss

[severe sedge]

impossible

[vapid scarab]

ashvane you literally tunnel 24/7

[severe sedge]

to pull sim number

[tropic ocean]

loooool

[vapid scarab]

never off the boss

[severe sedge]

if you just single

[tropic ocean]

yeah dont cut corals

[sullen pagoda]

ashvane is actually a good example @vapid scarab

[tropic ocean]

dont soak

just afk boss

[scarlet sequoia]

Sometimes you do less sometimes you do more 😄

[raven mica]

Also

Make sure not to hold cooldowns for HP

[vapid scarab]

yeah.....cutting is rdps job....

[raven mica]

Burn everything on first shield

[tropic ocean]

XD

[sullen pagoda]

you can get links and then u have to soak afterwards maybe and bubbles

[vapid scarab]

melee don't move to cut unless you absolutely have to

[dark crag]

Never get bubble at ashvane

[sullen pagoda]

that mentality kills bosses

[tropic ocean]

i will screenshot this and send it to my rl

[severe sedge]

who said pufferfish?

[raven mica]

Uh no, 2 melee can get linked

[severe sedge]

aint getting that shit

[sullen pagoda]

sure if u get linked with ranged he should go

but 2 melee

u do it

and u are not immune to getting bubbles

[tropic ocean]

you still sometimes need to move when linked to rdps

[vapid scarab]

that doesn't happen every pull tho

[tropic ocean]

to not kill someone

[dark crag]

Only every 2 mins

[raven mica]

So you don’t pull sim DPS every pull

[vapid scarab]

and you can move to not kill someone while still hitting boss

[severe sedge]

LA 80% is 42k

[tropic ocean]

that depends on coral spawn

and boss movement so

just tunneling boss is a very bad advice

and usualy results you on bench in progress anyway

[scarlet sequoia]

@severe sedge if you sim 41k I really wouldn’t worry about your logs, focus on getting better gear first

[vapid scarab]

so is sitting there doing 37-38k every pull

[raven mica]

Also again: it involves you using your CDs on CD instead of on HP bars when your raid lead wants you to hold your cooldown

[signal salmon]

is there some bugs with shroud and reflectin babes?

[sullen pagoda]

also a perfect example of getting fucked my mechanics is mekkatorque

[vapid scarab]

@raven mica no it doesn't

[signal salmon]

cant shroud it

[severe sedge]

@scarlet sequoia my gear is kinda nice, just need sockets on benthic and a trinket and weps

[sullen pagoda]

you can be a god dps but if you get bombs and smallie you are just fucked

[severe sedge]

that should be 45-46k

[scarlet sequoia]

You can’t have kinda nice gear and sim 41k

[sullen pagoda]

can u link ur gear @severe sedge

curious

[night cypress]

"kinda nice" and "need trinket and weps" are uhhh statements

[severe sedge]

sure

[rigid mango]

Doubt that benthic and sockets

are 5k dps

[tropic ocean]

benthic is giga

3k+ for me

[sullen pagoda]

i still dont have coral

[raven mica]

Benthic weapons trinkets and Azerite are the biggest things mang

[sullen pagoda]

its 1.3k increase getting mythic coral 🤔

[raven mica]

I haven’t gotten a single weapon better than 435 this tier

It’s kinda fucking stupid

[tropic ocean]

coral is big too

[drifting cloud]

behe chest is 1k for me over a 445 gamba one 🤷

[tropic ocean]

my coral was 1.7k increase for me

[raven mica]

My font was a 2k increase for me I think

[tropic ocean]

but socketed so I guess that adds some more value to it

[scarlet sequoia]

Tfw the only upgrade from mythic is 445 font 😔

[severe sedge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fthtEi2tVMf5vuUcdQFxGV

[raven mica]

Tfw I still haven’t gotten: dagger, diver’s folly, or radiance shoulders yet

[severe sedge]

benthic wep and trinkets

[tropic ocean]

you shouldn't upgrade

[severe sedge]

is needed

[tropic ocean]

non socketed benthic mate

[severe sedge]

well, if i dont get other

i need to

[solid nova]

Why have you upgraded non-socketed benthic

[tropic ocean]

no you don't

you just keep gambling

[severe sedge]

those still sim better that m+ and hc gear

[raven mica]

Oh shit it’s Richard

[tropic ocean]

you might be weaker for the short run

but you gimped yourself for the long run

[raven mica]

Richard my raid lead made me swap to sin for QC and azshara.

[vapid scarab]

yeah they sim better and now you wasted all your pearls on non BiS gear

[raven mica]

I’m sad AF now

[sullen pagoda]

yea upgrading non socketed benthic is just punishing urself further

[solid nova]

^

[severe sedge]

not that much, its like 200 pearls

[solid nova]

It's RNG

[drifting cloud]

well depends if you do it on alts, its 110 pearls or whatever to upgrade to 420

[ripe fjord]

is the benthic gear bis ? or do you change it when i higher ilvl drops ?

[sullen pagoda]

u upgraded 4 pieces 3 of which to 420 thats 400 pearls or more right there

[severe sedge]

still thats what im missing

[vapid scarab]

@ripe fjord you won't replace socketed benthic gear for the entire tier

[severe sedge]

azerite are fine, most other stuff is fine

[drifting cloud]

I dont think thats terrible if you farm pearls on alts, if you only farm on main then its terrible yeah

[solid nova]

Your weapons are bad and you have barely any sockets

[cobalt pelican]

you're missing like.. most things

[solid nova]

Trinkets too

[ripe fjord]

but unsocketed gear can be changes ?

[vapid scarab]

azerite is fine? you have full 435 bro

[ripe fjord]

*D

[solid nova]

What?

Change the trinkets, weapons, get socketed benthic

Then you'll have a half decent sim

[severe sedge]

cant get better that 435 in hc

[tropic ocean]

gamble it from m+ npc

[severe sedge]

im saving

[vapid scarab]

like literally every single item you have besides your crit haste ring is unoptimal

[tropic ocean]

roll shoulders first as you can get good chest/head from first 2 bosses

[severe sedge]

not a gambler

[ripe fjord]

i Changed oris tidal wristwraps 385 no socket with 430 wrists

[raven mica]

Inb4 residuum vendor gives him nothing but waycrest chestpiece, motherlode helm, and underdog shludlers

[ripe fjord]

+100 agi and minor stats upgrade

[solid nova]

@ripe fjord You dont want benthic without a socket to begin with

So its no surprise 430 outsims 385 non socket

[tropic ocean]

@severe sedge

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pYEt7AeSoSj2bJsgo3WfGY

here you are not even wearing your best gear available

change this and you will increase your dps too

[drifting cloud]

[tropic ocean]

you wear higher ilvl cloak and pants but socket >>>> ilvl

[drifting cloud]

500 dps sitting in bags lmao

[sonic trail]

anyone know if notters WA's were updatd for BFA?

[tropic ocean]

and your other azerite helm is better too

[vapid scarab]

why are you wondering why you can't reach 46k sim if all you ever clear is heroic as well

like

[severe sedge]

im not, some dude said 45k is easy

i said its not

[drifting cloud]

I didnt say easy, I said its not hard

[cobalt pelican]

45k is p easy if you've been doing heroic every week and coining appropriately

[vapid scarab]

if you do mythic 45k is not hard

[drifting cloud]

and you dont need mythic gear to get 45k even

just correct gear

[cobalt pelican]

you shoulda had at least 2 445 rolls by now

from residuum too

lack of gear, lack of understanding of gear, lack of understanding of play, lack of understanding of mechanics usually doesn't lead to good parse tbhtbh

[raven mica]

I had 3, got the motherlode helmet all 3 times

[junior flume]

Fuck that slot machine though

[solid nova]

I mean if you're not doing content which allows you to get better gear or farming optimal content like socketed benthic, then yes, your sim will suffer

[severe sedge]

a socket is like 282 dps?

[solid nova]

Where are you getting 282 from

[drifting cloud]

his highest stat weight x 50

its not that far off, but its slightly less I guess

well youre missing 3 sockets and combined 25ilvl on those 3 pieces + coral

[vapid scarab]

the thing is sockets only get more powerful the more gear you have as well

[sullen pagoda]

say 250 x 4 benthic pieces 1k dps

[drifting cloud]

just that alone would probably give u 2k sim dps

if not more

[vapid scarab]

since your stats scale harder

[drifting cloud]

so if you had proper benthic and both raid trinkets at 430, you would probably sim around 45

like I said

and you would be like 2-3 ilvls higher equipped than what you are now

[tropic ocean]

ilvl is bad

if its not socketed

[tribal marlin]

@tropic ocean I tinkered some shits with the apl to try out thoose opener things. It's mostly very minor difference (as excepted) around 0.06%.

What I found interesting is that I tested my opener with Pre-combat guardian and it's pretty good.

[sullen pagoda]

another one

[tribal marlin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gBLY9SdmAq6fdgGz3iaUq1

[drifting cloud]

you are simming Loyal to the End Allies 0

[tribal marlin]

this is with guardian as 2nd gcd

[drifting cloud]

I doubt you have noone in your raid using it

[lone crescent]

There’s maybe 2 I believe

[tropic ocean]

is it vs mut rup mut opener?

[raven mica]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nJ6VbXiNs7YMiaVvVVz7bg
Alright I dont get how yall sim so fuckin high.

[tribal marlin]

legacy opener with precombat guardian : https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hcnuaBQYJfroRNBgSVrAXd

Actual opener with precombat guardian : https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fEDauBX45GRw5AojZsfkcP

[raven mica]

BRUH

[vapid scarab]

@raven mica you have one piece of benthic gear and 2 435 azerites

[tribal marlin]

yes "Mikihisa" in the report is the default apl

[raven mica]

I spent 800 mana pearls trying to get crit boots

[tropic ocean]

and 2nd one is urs ?

cant see the actual ability log

[raven mica]

Still havent gotten them btw.

same with poen's.

[solid nova]

@raven mica "Why dont i sim so high" When two people before you have done the same thing

[raven mica]

richard i s2g

[sharp viper]

after 170 boots i finally got akanas with a socket

[raven mica]

oh

[solid nova]

Apply exactly the same answers to your sim

[sharp viper]

300 dps just because of a socket

[solid nova]

If you're asking why i dont sim well yet dont have benthic, delete the message

[cobalt pelican]

precombat guardian seems largely a pain in the ass to do in reality though

it's not castable in stealth right

[tropic ocean]

idk why its so commonly wrong knowledge that ilvl is good

[bleak spoke]

if you start out of stealth its easier to get back into stealth

kinda like with AR

[solid nova]

item level is probably the least valuable its ever been

[raven mica]

why did my raid lead make me play this spec

[solid nova]

With benthic and socket value

[cobalt pelican]

ya thing with outlaw is if you fuck it up it's kinda just whatever honestly

[tribal marlin]

yes well I did trinker so it's wierd fix to force apl using special opener

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gBLY9SdmAq6fdgGz3iaUq1/simc

html report

but this is not what I want to point out

[crisp steppe]

leviathan gem nerf on ptr

[tribal marlin]

it's that Precombat Guardian is something xD

[sharp viper]

wasn't it a large design incentive of blizzard to make higher item level items be better? i remember something like that at the start of bfa or before bfa

[vestal wren]

sockets largely invalidate that

[solid nova]

Yeah and its a load of shit so

[crisp steppe]

Blizzard says a lot of things but they don't stay on top of it at all

[tropic ocean]

@tribal marlin minor improvement yeah

using guardian precombat will be tricky with stealth as well

[tribal marlin]

Problem is that Precombat guardian act like Guardian use don't break stealth, which it do actually and I don't know how to make guardian be used -1sec before pull

[sullen pagoda]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jNK7BuEjkTHLpvykjuev9C @solid nova why do i sim low

oh yes coral missing 😹 🔫

[vestal wren]

46k low

[sharp viper]

i never even had the idea of precombat guardian, does the CD reset on boss engagement?

[bleak spoke]

nice device idiot

[sullen pagoda]

i heard about that mystical item called coral

[solid nova]

Idk i only sim 47k, means nothing if you're green logging