Finally got coral
#assassination
signal glacier
signal glacier
the heroic one
dense cedar
Nice
signal glacier
but still, nothing else simmed higher. and guild heroics werent giving me it
dense cedar
heroic coral still better than most other trinkets anyways
severe bough
A 430 coral is a 1200 dps increase for me
sour wasp
any coral good coral
severe bough
It is that stupid
sour wasp
370 best coral
sour wasp
get that 430 titanforge
sour wasp
do punchcards sim properly? i put a 420 yellow but the sim still says its 415
hazy canyon
Hmm, what is the ilvl of the trinket itself? Itโs an avg of the red/yellow
sour wasp
418 now
dense cedar
soon i shall be one of those 40k+ simmers
calm bough
Is 40k sim considered high?
sour wasp
nvm the sim is fine
severe bough
Feelsokayman
dense cedar
1.5k dps upgrade 
icy ember
i've bought 2x shoulders, got pistooleers and sanguine monstrosity
sour wasp
ecks dee
icy ember
and 1x chest, got venture co
sour wasp
can we get 50 likes? 
icy ember
well i've got engi helm and the chestpiece, i just need shoulders.. damn you victoeur 
i'd even settle for tentacle laced spaulders, im not picky
last tier i was fine w/spymaster's wrap
dense cedar
Gorak's a a minor upgrade for me now
Defs best to save
the other 4 are a downgrade now lol
idle lance
I like what the top announcement says
tropic ocean
its the bestest weak aura ๐
tropic ocean
you'll get it too
short wasp
Is x1 ttk, x3 EB, 2x SS optimal for M+, or is 2x each trait better?
rigid mango
Both work really well
glass matrix
just a quick one think u will gain or loss more going 3ss 2ttk 1eb compared to 2/2/2
short wasp
IM running x2 each trait atm, but wondering if x3 eb would be better and toss a ttk
solar rivet
quick question, i just got font and i had coral already, i used to coral during VD and cyclo at low energy on CD, how do you use both of these most effectively? font at 14 secs on VD CD?
glass matrix
thats true also
lost horizon
You'll lose out on larger pulls though
@short wasp it can be for some dungeons/affixes
sullen sphinx
@solar rivet check tc updates
short wasp
So it sounds like x2 each trait is very well rounded for every dungeon
if i dont have the luxury of swapping all the time
tropic ocean
yes
lost horizon
Pretty much, but if you're pulling big enough often you might find yourself better off with 3EB
tropic ocean
i basically use 2/2/2 for everything now except kr/tos tyran and teeming fortified week
short wasp
okay nice. i might have another eb laying around somewhere
lost horizon
I go 3EB on like ML and fort FH
cedar maple
Whats the most optimal way to use font of power combined with coral?
solar rivet
@sullen sphinx sweet thanks, yeah sounds like what i was thinking was about right
@cedar maple at the bottom of tc-updates
short wasp
@cedar maple Not sure if this is totally correct becuase it was just something I was reading on a forum. Some people say they like casting before the encounter as long as they can and then getting a stealth before boss pull. Then activated coral.
I dont have font, but I think if I did, this makes sense
prisma carbon
yeah font 5-6 seconds in pull timer
@frigid briar put out a video for it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcTa7HzFz58
solemn meadow
ripe nimbus
Updated SimC usage of Font+Coral for Assa. This change seemed to net solid 0.8-1% gains depending on build and the best I've found so far.
- Use font 4s precombat and after that pretty much on cooldown as long as Vendetta has less than 20s on its cooldown.
- Then, with in-fight Font, the idea is to hold Vendetta(+Vanish) a bit to make it also profit from Coral. It's a gain to hold it until Coral is ready (hence the 20s condition above) but...
- If a Toxic Blade is coming up before Coral (which is the case in default fight timings) it's better to Vendetta right before TB and then use Coral ASAP.
- Summary of example timings: 4s precombat Font, Coral ASAP to start stacking.... Font when ready again at 1:56, Vendetta before next TB around 2:10, Coral into it at 2:16.
I'm pretty sure infexious video is wrong just from reading the comments but I haven't watched it so can't say for sure. The above is from TC updates.
noble vale
Shoutout to this disc. Kept getting purple parses and had no idea what I was doing wrong. After a few days or reading and listening, got some big boys last
Thanks to the folks who anwser questions and such ๐
lone junco
videos are static, and he is often behind the TC by days/weeks/months.
noble vale
Playing with a lot more patience and intent is ST raid now
frigid briar
lol
ripe nimbus
This video was uploaded yesterday that post has been in TC updates since Aug 2nd
noble vale
Not just beating my keyboard
winter aurora
drifting cloud
no, its just closer
rigid mango
They're just so close now that it wont matter for every pug, p much
noble vale
Just play what you have more fun on man
Yoda played sub last night and did like 52k. If you understand how the spec works, you can keep up pretty much lol
lone junco
I have tried to love outlaw a few times, but in ST, between procs and rolls and dead zones, I dont really enjoy it. Sin is so much smoother (to me). Outlaw in M+ cleave however is ๐ธ
*probably have 40-50 days /played as outlaw.
noble vale
I keep up with outlaw boys all the time, just have fun with it and play what ya like unless youโre trying for MDI or something
lone junco
shudder at the suicide watch times of TB fishing with 6 rolls in a row during lust open.
not for me.
ripe nimbus
I hate all 3 specs 
strange python
When do you reset the coral stacks for the crit buff?
I use it at pull with vendetta and 2nd time with the second vendetta or earlier?
ripe nimbus
If u only have coral use it on pull then with every vendetta.
noble vale
If youโre having a hard time keeping up with outlaw, you might just not have the right azerite cause sin is so dependant on it
strange python
Alright thanks, second trinket is spyglass
ripe nimbus
Don't re activate with first vendetta tho just let it stack till 2nd
strange python
Yes sure I just activate as a macro with my first vendetta and then let it stack till second vendetta
ripe nimbus
U might be losing out on a couple stacks if ur macroing with vendetta use it on pull along side ur first incombat ability
raw lotus
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rxoDBwJ6uPgBQ5LozR7gH9 So i sim at 42k but can barely sustain 34k.. Is there something im doing wrong here?
rigid mango
You gotta link your sims or smth
ripe nimbus
Yes u didn't post a log with ur question
rare pond
If TB is coming off of CD in a few sec but rupture has needs to be refreshed, do you wait to use TB until after rup has been refreshed? How much do you pool energy before activating TB?
rigid mango
You TB on cd and rup inside of TB
short jacinth
You simmed with max worldvein and TC and I don't see you running either of those for starters
rare pond
even if it means only getting 2 env during tb instead of 3?
raw lotus
Yeah i have been using TB on cooldown
rigid mango
2 is a minimum and is fine
rare pond
cool, thanks
raw lotus
Changing those options in the sim didnt change anything
vestal abyss
Hi All, i just got ashvane's razor coral
but i dont get it
probably frequently asked but if anyone can point me to some references?
rare pond
you can macro it to vendetta
vendetta first
remember to reapply it after using vendetta
vestal abyss
but how long after do i repapply
rare pond
as soon as the buff is off
real bay
first vend you just apply coral , second you use it and apply again
rare pond
you want the buff to be up during vend so it works out well
ripe nimbus
Ur missing out on 1 to 2 stacks by not applying it as soon as combat starts fyi. It's fine to macro it to vendetta but just use the trinket first thing on pull
summer cedar
Progging on Ashvane with a dribbling inkpod. Should I hold my vanish until 30% so I have high crit?
noble vale
Unfortunately
summer cedar
alright thanks
noble vale
But if you have a coral pop it right before
Had a 1.9mil Inkpod crit yesterday. Juicy
summer cedar
I got a 440 font, so they dont go together that well
rare pond
what specific azerite pieces should I be going for as sin? when using droptomizer it tells me I have the best help (shroud of unmooring whispers) and chest (cephalohide jacket) but my shoulders should be gorak tul's
currently using tidal drifter's
vestal abyss
@ripe nimbus Vendetta is my fourth cast, should it not be?
ripe nimbus
That sounds fine but not using coral on pull is still 1 to 2 stacks
desert pelican
where can i find the spreadsheet for use or not use env on aoe with eb traits? depends on how many targets or so. one day im find it here, but nothing in pins or somewhere
vestal abyss
Does using it pull or can i use it before the pull
rare pond
it deals damage so it will pull
ripe nimbus
Yah don't use it pre pull
rare pond
I think crit wants you to use it immediately after opening with garrote
so the opener would be garrote > razor > mut to 4 > rup and on
I'm lazy and hate changing my opener so I'm just gonna eat the 1-2 stacks lol
ripe nimbus
It's not on the GCD u can just macro it to ur stealth garrote and forget
rare pond
do you have it macro'd to both garrote and vend or do you just activate it manually?
does that interfere with vanish > garrote, as well?
ripe nimbus
I do both I have it macrod to vend but I use it with a keybind for opener and if im using inkpod to activate it manually at 31%
Yes if ur using SS I guess it could
Strictly talking MA here
sand otter
got level 55 on my heart, and a new trinket from the raid. slowly creeping up there
strange python
When I have resetted the coral stacks and the crit buff is gone, do I need to activate it again to build up stacks again?
ripe nimbus
Yes
fathom wyvern
is BotE better for ashvane progress due to it being up for each burn?
better than the raid essence that is
drifting cloud
no
icy ember
idk im pretty convinced you want to use CLF
raw lotus
With DD, do you want a certain crit rating min?
stable plinth
CLF is better for Ashvane
icy ember
ye the 5% burn dmg is nice
stable plinth
You use CLF and CDs on the first break
And then you do that again on the second break
And boss dies
Second break is almost exactly 3 minutes after first break
rare pond
sin wants double haste enchant on rings, right?
hoary crown
I just started pooling energy before using envenom so I have 2 buffed mut and it feels like I do more dmg with DD is that just random or does it acctually make a difference ?
stable plinth
Pretty sure even if you're doing prog on that fight right now you use that strat
Cause it's easier
fathom wyvern
@stable plinth my guild has me and 2 more dps pop cds on pull for timers
drifting cloud
ashvane isnt all about dpsing her when shield is down you know
breaking the shield at correct time is equally important
if not even more
stable plinth
No but if you wanna kill the boss easily and quickly you do that strat
scenic wagon
if i have no shrouded suffocation trait master assassin is generally better right?
rigid mango
Yes
stable plinth
With current gear you don't need people popping CDs on shield like you did the first week
2 phasing the boss makes it drastically easier
drifting cloud
lol talking about 2 phase with someone thats progging on boss
theyre never going to 2 phase, because if they had dps for that
stable plinth
People progging on that boss should be doing the 2 phase strat
scenic wagon
which opener should i go for then? im looking at ravenholdt.net but there are two openers, the new and the old way dunno whats the difference
drifting cloud
they would have killed the boss 3 weeks ago
stable plinth
Why would you not do the 2 phase strat
modest tendon
Iv never tried MA in m+, you could get some sick burst aoe with it I reckon
stable plinth
It's easier in every way
ripe nimbus
The only ones that should be popping cooldowns on pull are people with 1min 30 second cooldowns and DHs
Everyone else saves
stable plinth
Friends guild took 16 pulls and they only just killed cause they're casual af
ripe nimbus
That's is if ur doing 2 phase Strat
velvet talon
Is there any text on how to use Azshara's font of power and Ashvane's razor colar?
rigid mango
stable plinth
The DPS check is a joke with current gear lol
icy ember
ye i dont pop ANYTHING on ashvane until the first expose
font/vendetta/cyclo EVERYTHING
ripe nimbus
@velvet talon it's in #tc-updates
summer cedar
My guild is progging with the 2 phase strat. Everyone with CDs greater than 1.5 minutes is saving for the fix break. We pretty close
velvet talon
Thanks!
summer cedar
Then all CDs are up for the 2nd break too
stable plinth
Your DHs should be using meta on pull if they aren't
rigid mango
Progging w 2 phase seems stupid
icy ember
ye they linger for 1m
noble vale
Yeah it definitely does
icy ember
we 2phase ashvane, not easily but we killed her last night
noble vale
Iโm glad we donโt have double brewmaster, cause we do 3 tank and my ink pod pads LOL
summer cedar
clear two sets of coral and ignore the rest. Much easier
stable plinth
Less bubbles to soak and you only ever have to deal with 1 set of Arcing Azerite (2 if you can't clear them all in just 1)
ripe nimbus
Unless ur entire raid parses grey/green on every boss the 2 phase Strat is just straight up easier
coarse tusk
it is if you want to 2 phase her
summer cedar
think its like 37k dps average across the raid tho
noble vale
Yikes
frosty obsidian
On multi target when you vendetta and toxic blades, do you fok and envenom spam the toxic blades target or do you keep refreshing rupture on every target
noble vale
If you just vendettad and TBed a target, prio him hard. FoK to 4-5 CPs and dump envenom still the Ven is done
Great thing to do on stuff like Matrons at start of UR if you pull her into 4 troll pack
vagrant urchin
what's better for 2s? Elaborate planning or Blindside?
molten mirage
so font of power used on pre pull makes your trinket timer not allow you to pop coral until after your opening vendetta window is over, does this mean we just let the coral stacks rise till our second vendetta window and then dont use the font before our second vendetta window and pop the coral for the crit buff?
i have looked over the pinned message but it doesnt really answer my question
noble vale
Yeah my ink pod sim only 180 DPS less cause itโs a 450, sometimes the ease of use is worth it lol
molten mirage
thank you @stable plinth
yeah i agree toasty
i wanna run the ink pod over the font just for the ease of use
my font is 415 but my ink pod is 435
noble vale
Font I think is better when you need windows of DPS at certain points
I go between them depending on the boss
molten mirage
were progging on m ashvane
stable plinth
@marble elm have you tried inkpod on azshara
spark temple
I'm not sure how to tell from the sims, but can anyone confirm whether or not simming with Loyal to the End takes into account a raid member dying?
young portal
Might be a stupid question, but should I be worried about capping energy whilst using font the second time?
molten mirage
no
its bound to happen
if you have decent haste
i think 22-23% is like the sweet spot
cold rampart
guys
i have azshara and ashvane trinket
which one do i use with cds
( not the opener)
drifting cloud
have you tried scrolling up 10 messages
ripe nimbus
It should be pinned here. Tbf
Oh
It is
It's a pretty bad pin tho gives no info on the coral
edgy ginkgo
young portal
@molten mirage thank you, just swapped from the blast trinket and I always used that whilst pooling for tb so it feels a lot different
limber dew
wha are the best M+ essences?
molten mirage
no worries bro i just swapped from that blast trinket too lol
M+ essence is iris beam and lucid minor
void venture
In the guide they are talking about master assasin talented the old way and the new way, anyone can elaborate on that? (Note: Never played assasin in ma life, but i gotta learn it for raids...)
noble siren
Hey guys can you channel the font of power trinket in stealth?
ripe nimbus
It breaks stealth so u gotta restealth after
empty tide
no
noble siren
cool ty
molten mirage
@void venture you pop vanish after your opener and vendetta and TB for the crit window bonus
void venture
For some massive crits, aah gottcha
But with the opener, it tells me to use rupture with only 3 combo points?
that correct?
empty tide
Mut rup mut garrote vendetta toxic blade vanish env mut env
molten mirage
^
run 1 SS trait for 2 combo point garrote and youll get 4-5 combos in total after your garrote / mut
empty tide
If youโre using Clf use it before the vendetta
void venture
That was my 2nd question, i dont have a SS trait in my gear
empty tide
SS is not that good on ST anyway, aim for double dose , nothing personals, twist the knifes
void venture
Got it, chief!
empty tide
Loyal is good too if your raid got a bunch
molten mirage
the highest parsing rogues are using 1 SS trait
but yeah SS isnt really good over all for ST without running subtufurge
but 1 is super helpful to your opener
and the parses dont lie
gloomy slate
What if you only get 3 cp off the first mut, would you still rupture or throw a garrote in there before rupture.
drifting cloud
what parses are you ven talking about
because thats not true
theres like a total of 2 or 3 ss parses on top50 shivara and behe
empty tide
You rupture , you just need a rup running while you do your opener , you can refresh it after
drifting cloud
so please dont make up things ty
molten mirage
im eatting dinner rn ryler but im not making anything up
ill link the logs when im done
drifting cloud
you cant link logs that dont exist
molten mirage
lmao ok bro
im legit not here to talk to toxic people
if you wnna have a discussion im down but if not pce
drifting cloud
yeah youre just here to spread wrong info then I guess
raw coral
idd
drifting cloud
I actually bothered to check for first 3, since they are mostly st fights
legit like 4 ss parses in top50 on all combined
and those ss parses are probably just people having azerite with ss that actually sims highest for them
gloomy slate
Is CP on rupture just time based or is it damaged based as well. Havent looked at it in years.
gloomy slate
Makes sense, never really paid attention to it for 15 years, always just ruptured on 4 and 5 cp
drifting cloud
it didnt used to be
rigid mango
^
drifting cloud
got changed in legion or something
gloomy slate
Ah ok
drifting cloud
legion prepatch I guess
steady owl
silly question, are sims always correct? my stat weights tell me i need more haste, but i sim higher with masterful navigaion on my off hand than quick navigation.
steady owl
no force multiplier
drifting cloud
sounds odd, but not unusual
just trust the sim
unless you simmed it with difference essences or something
latent gazelle
Amount of stats the wrap enchant give could push you toward that certain stat compared to a ring enchant or gem
Weap *
steady owl
yeah i thougth that could be the case
void venture
How to start a fight with coral? Do u use it before vendetta?
ripe nimbus
Use it on pull then with every vendetta after that
real bay
you just apply it and wait for stacks for 2nd vend
meager kiln
Hi all, is this a decent place to ask for just general help with assa rogue or should I go to a different channel?
peak saffron
this is great for that
meager kiln
Awesome, I just dont know kinda where to go with it, i'm pretty decent geared but my damage/logs seems to be low in comparison
peak saffron
you can link logs, and someone will usually help you analyze them
meager kiln
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bBwadDkGWLFtyMnR This is tonights run, I'm the only rogue ๐
drifting cloud
dont use wv minor
even if half your guild has it, its only decent on like 2 fights
peak saffron
sim top gear for accuracy, but the vast majority seem to have Condensed Life Force major, with Lucid Dreams minor simming the highest
meager kiln
Ive got one more boss until CDL rank 3
peak saffron
okay, definitely hold off until rank 3 then
meager kiln
Awesome
peak saffron
I would like to top gear sims to figure out what's best for you then
I ran Blood of the Enemy rank 3 major with Lucid Dreams minor for a while before I had CLF rank 3
meager kiln
Nice alright
civic palm
Just turn WV down to ~3 stacks, unless you are tracking it yourself and see that you're at higher stacks.
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
civic palm
some passive shiiiiiiiiiiit
drifting cloud
I use cyclo and dice
dont have the siege trinket tho, would probably use it over cyclo
umbral mauve
Which azerith traits would u use on orgo ?
arctic walrus
I go coral/inkpod but idk how useful each is
void venture
Does the crit window of Master Assasin affect the rupture and garrote u cast within the 3 seconds, or basicly na?
woeful minnow
what
raw lotus
How far ahead of TB coming off cooldown should you pool energy
wary ice
theres no hard rule for that
raw lotus
Good rule of thumb then?
wary ice
1s or so?
scarlet sequoia
try to have ~120 energy for it
during lust just use it as you will probably have enough regen to be fine
wary ice
that sounds absurdly high
scarlet sequoia
no
scarlet sequoia
how much energy have you been pooling
wary ice
enough for tb env mut mut env
scarlet sequoia
and how much do you reckon that is
junior ridge
anyone get 65 yet? trying to figure out what our 2nd best minor would be
peak saffron
iris sims highest for me
worldvein technically sims highest, but im not running that shit
junior ridge
yea i hate worldvein also
woeful minnow
for me it's clf/crucible/lucid but 
smoky topaz
question what is the best race for assa rogues or rogues in gernal?
smoky topaz
horde and idc that much about looks
woeful minnow
the difference is so small you shouldn't really care BUT if you really do https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/races/1t-t24-assassination
smoky topaz
ty ๐
fast barn
how do u guys play the final boss in SoB? all the running is disgusting
dense cedar
Kill slammy
kill holder
run
Nothing else to really do
its just a fight of adds
fast barn
yea but the dps loss seems to be massiv for me
dense cedar
its not great for any melee iirc
fast barn
true..but 20k dps in 17? that's...
dense cedar
Which tentacle are u using vendetta on?
fast barn
the grippling
wary ice
I mean if someone calls u out for not dealing a lot of overall damage on a fight that a) has a lot of target swaps and b) has extended periods of downtime, especially for melee
dense cedar
I see people go both ways
fast barn
I'm calling out myself for it - it's way too low
dense cedar
but the slammo is better to vendetta if ur trying to get higher on meters
wary ice
but liek its not
well it might be
But my point is if you're looking at "dps from start of combat to end of combat"
marble elm
@stable plinth I donโt have inkpod
wary ice
theres a lot of 0's in there
as per the nature of the fight
of course ur avg is going to be lower.
dense cedar
Honestly just think about it like the Blackwater Behemoth fight
fast barn
obviously...but is 20k really that realistic? I still feel like there could be done a lot
dense cedar
There's time where u just can't be doing damage
wary ice
but if i were trying to improve that fight, i wouldnt be looking at the overall
I'd be looking mostly at the burst sections on the gripping / why are we getting multiple slammers etc
wary ice
yeah
fast barn
got 2xSS 2xEB 1xTtk 1xBI
dense cedar
the quicker u can move the more damage u do on that boss
fast barn
might replace 1 EB
dense cedar
Well EB is dead on that fight so
dense cedar
But yeah
wary ice
let rupture/garrote DP + the tank finish it off
dense cedar
Its the same logic as Blackwater Behemoth
sometimes you can't be hitting a target
All you can do is try to get to a target quicker
stable plinth
@marble elm gonna try inkpod over coral on azshara
fast barn
so shadowstep more and different traits...
crystal vessel
we figure out how to sim punch cards yet?
wary ice
speaking of trinkets
What are the bosses i should save rerolls for?
First time in raid tonight :^)
woeful minnow
use droptimizer
empty tide
First boss and court for daggers , ashvane , orgozoa azshara for trinkets , gotta see what you need
dense cedar
@fast barn I wouldn't change to different traits just for that boss
considering you can't even hit the thing
fast barn
But wouldnt it be better for tyrannical weeks?
dense cedar
Well sure I guess
fast barn
gonna give it another try tomorrow, with more st focus..
woeful minnow
feels silly to gimp yourself for an entire dungeon just for a last boss you shouldn't really do particularly well on anyway
but that's just me
it'd be interesting to see how much time you lose on trash overall in the dungeon by doing that vs time gained on the last boss
fast barn
I only do 35k overall throughout the dungeon...so there might be an improvement
dropping of to around 31k after final 2 bosses...
*f
but I feel like especially on tyrannical weeks this could pay off
restive elk
Is it worth using an addon like hekili for rotation if youre new to rogue?
strange python
No @iron rock u will just get bad habits
languid ore
Is it worth? Maybe. Do you need it? No @restive elk
There's someone in here that does really high level keys and uses it. But he knows rogue inside out. He doesn't rely on it.
civic palm
languid ore
Undead master race.
strange python
Night elf day and night elf night? What did I miss
unkempt solstice
mag'har orc? really?
dark crag
NE get different boni from day/night time
civic palm
Races don't matter for ST.
strange python
Since when is that? @dark crag
civic palm
Ever.
strange python
lol
6 years ago I was alliance played and even played nightelf, didnโt know about it
dark crag
Haste and crit. Don't ask me what is what time
civic palm
I am looking for when it was added.
cobalt pelican
it was wod
pretty sure
when they did the rebalance on racials so that everyone had something
like they added the crit to belf or whatever
draenei got their primary stat scaling etc etc
empty tide
Best animations is undead for sure
strange python
Ahh ok, I didnโt play during wod and Legion thatโs why I missed the news
Yooo boys - Anyone tried Visions of perfection rank 3 with 3x Nothing Personal?
fresh notch
It's not as good as CLF for single target, but NP does a good amount of damage
empty tide
Itโs good on mythic zaqul for minor
fresh notch
It was just behind envenom for 2nd most dmg on a fight when I used it
empty tide
So you can have burst for every add
strange python
I was more facinated by the Vendetta Proccs and the fact that you got Energy Return + the Poison dot - With Toxic blade also
cobalt pelican
people have tried it it's just ass
crystal vault
does feint work on barb shot to soak ?
livid stratus
You still die if it does or not I dont know xD
It hits like a truck.
Cloak is only way to survive it.
Vanishing still hits you also.
livid stratus
no idea, just tell them to always swim up.
sour wasp
oh, so it's just base damage?
civic palm
Man if only there was a way to look this up!!
sour wasp
because it does dmg to the phizique
dapper plover
miz i have a question
civic palm
No you don't โ
sour wasp
don't ask him anything
civic palm
Next question please.
dapper plover
where do you get all those cute asian girl clips
civic palm
gfycat, also that's #off-topic , NEXT QUESTION.
crystal vault
feint - piercing barb
inner pier
Hey boys, i've been having a problem lately with my toxic blade. To be more precise - sometimes bosses dodge it o.O. Is it because i didn't cast from behind of the boss?
civic palm
Stop stabbing from the front.
sour wasp
do it from behind
civic palm
No that's when it can be dodged/parried.
Missing is different.
Though it should not MISS either.
inner pier
okay, i thought that was the case ^^ thanks ๐
tall narwhal
!coral
prisma monolithBOT
The way to use coral in M+ is using it on your priority target,
and then whenever that target dies, reapply it to your next target.
Whenever your target dies it gives you the crit it would give from using it,
so consuming the stacks for crit mid pack is generally suboptimal.
civic palm
Though TBF I have no idea what the attack table looks like for WoW now ๐
left moth
Is using more than 1 "Nothing Personal" viable?
quasi pewter
yes its still strong even past first one
left moth
okay thanks ๐
crystal vessel
are NP sims < than actual performance?
civic palm
Probably not.
cobalt pelican
why would they be it's lidderally just a damage spell that does a very predictable amount of damage
if you end a fight just after vendetta ends np will obviosuly gain largus valus
cobalt pelican
but that's not really the sims fault
civic palm
and it might not now, but I am pretty sure it's right now.
cobalt pelican
you mean the fact that the dot wasn't marked as hasted to begin with?
or something else
civic palm
Yeah that.
cobalt pelican
cause that was fixed like 3 weeks into dazaralor
civic palm
Correct.
cobalt pelican
slacking math nerds smh
civic palm
But errors can and have been made, but like I said, things seem right now, would be a stretch otherwise.
strange python
raiding: do i go for subterfuge or master assassin (if i have the gear for both)
umbral fiber
what sims higher
civic palm
Yeah the SIM is perfect :3
violet mural
hey guys can anyone tell me what i am doing wrong i still cant figure out why i am doing low dps while i am suppose to do high according to my sim
civic palm
Play better.
Ask the other Rogue in your guild.
don't wait 5 seconds to attack
etc.
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
ancient onyx
ancient onyx
well tbh your log is so terrible i'd suggest going form the very basics
civic palm
Yeah that's due to your poor play and loss of damage boosting abilities.
waxen vine
toxic blade and inkpod work together yeh?
civic palm
Like, look over the guides.
Then if you have specific questions, I will answer them for you if it's before raid or during raid between wipes.
marble elm
no toxic blade does not affect the damage of inkpod
cobalt pelican
first things first my dude
civic palm
surewishitwouldthough
civic palm
That is a goooood point.
civic palm
I really love it when this discord doesn't post messages 
left moth
@cobalt pelican could i send you my /simc link for you to sim? i got many new azerite pieces today and im so lost with this site xD I would really appreciate it
cobalt pelican
i guess??
jagged wigeon
I bet heโs not putting poisons on his weapons
civic palm
Could probably just put your azerite in chat and we could point to what to take.
Not that complicated really.
violet mural
well i am bad but not that bad XD
civic palm
Gotta cover the bases, yaknow?
left moth
nvm the simc link is too long to post haha
civic palm
Just take your highest item level :3
cobalt pelican
exactly
left moth
haha so i click "find topgear" and then send the result?
cobalt pelican
when you paste your simc string in there
it should all appear
the traits will be clickable
left moth
yes
cobalt pelican
click all the ones you want to check
and any other gear you would like to check
then click the green button at the bottom
ancient onyx
just pick the good ones 
civic palm
Looks right.
If you can check your Raid to make sure you have ~4 people also using Loyal you're all set.
left moth
i really dont know with this "loyal to the end" stuff, idk how many people peeps have it and if it stack
civic palm
So, if you hit;
ancient onyx
literally cant get better with whatu have 
civic palm
go all the way to the bottom;
where this is
It's under Simulation Options;
and you need to check and see how many stacks of Loyal you will have in raid and how many stacks of Loyal the SIM is assuming you have.
left moth
ahh
arctic walrus
@quasi pewter when were you using coral on azshara
cobalt pelican
you can have two loyals just fine, the only thing you need to check is how many gamers in your gamergang also have it equipped
civic palm
Do you get a buffbar buff?
cobalt pelican
not for the trait itself no
civic palm
mmm
cobalt pelican
only for the death portion
left moth
i only pug, any fast ways to check xD
civic palm
Course.
cobalt pelican
you'd have to inspect people one by one, or for safety just sim at 2 loyal allies and see if it 's still better
cause SOMEONE else will have it
at least one
ancient onyx
damn Jnas out there exposing peeps
civic palm
Just ask in raid IMO.
It's on all the fucking raid azerite so it's almost hard to dodge.
left moth
okay guys thank you so much, but what about if i wanna mythic+, do i switch it back to sublety and shrouded suffocation? because there is like no way of simming mythic+ i guess
ancient onyx
i simmed shit ton of azerite pieces and most of the time u want to run 2xLoyal if u dont have BiS Azerite Vendor pieces
civic palm
Yeah you will need entirely different traits for M+.
woeful minnow
knowing my luck loyal to the end would be a dead trait every time
ancient onyx
bruh
its week 5 and im yet to get mythic weapon
or any kind of coral
im tilted as fuck
cobalt pelican
it's still a 300dps upgrade over my cyclotronic with a 430 yellow in it
which is both great and also depressing
ancient onyx
mythic coral is 1.5k upgrade for me
cobalt pelican
as a guild we had 0 corals drop out of 23 gamers today on heroic, maybe mythic will be better..
left moth
same here, only one i saw was on normal
violet mural
i dont understand what is the issue XD?
civic palm
?
icy ember
3-4 people are using loyal to the end in my raid
left moth
i didnt do heroic azshara yet and saved a reroll so im rellay hoping for the azshara trinket
icy ember
is it worth using?
ancient onyx
yes
civic palm
Yep.
ancient onyx
pretty much BiS
violet mural
one guide say put w/e big offhand dagger :x
ancient onyx
bruh
woeful minnow
please put your 445 in your mainhand
civic palm
It also said to put your highest item level dagger in the MAINHAND, I assume.
and then your largest item level dagger in the OH.
true nexus
does it make sense that a 410 dagger with a socket sims lower than a 420 no socket
sims higher i mean
civic palm
Yes.
woeful minnow
yes
civic palm
Stats are good.
violet mural
but man even thou this is only recently change i've made :x
true nexus
feels so bad having lower ilvl weps haha
violet mural
i mean only today
civic palm
So?
woeful minnow
I mean it's not the only issue, it's just a good representation of everything that's wrong with your parses
ancient onyx
Tsy please watch and read some guides man, we can't help u with literally everthing
violet mural
and my dps still sucked even b4 like after opening
woeful minnow
read the guide
ancient onyx
i literally sim 44 444 rn 
violet mural
and i had 445 main and off 425
cobalt pelican
you're literally not doing anything right like, people can go through it step by step with you but there's a plethora of guides that detail the basics
civic palm
It would take too long to point out the errors at this time, read the guides, come back then.
true nexus
i'd say having a good weakaura that shows your bleeds, and changes color for pandemic is a good start
civic palm
Having a tool without knowing how to use it or why you are using it is a waste of time.
tropic ocean
learning your rotation is a good start
woeful minnow
you have font and you're not even using it once over the entire duration of this sivara fight I want to DIE
sour wasp
how do you even get so stacked in gear without knowing a rotation?
tropic ocean
just use herorotation or whatever its called its very good until you have it in mind
true nexus
hekilil?
full flame
I may have missed understood the whole pooling concept. Am i pooling to get as many envenoms off in a TB window or pooling to get as many double dose procs in an envenom window?
civic palm
Nah fuck that, read the guides.
tropic ocean
@full flame yes
sour wasp
@full flame both really
civic palm
You are pooling so that when you have areas of increased damage you do not waste time putting as much DMG into them as possible.
woeful minnow
but you look at your garrote not coming out for 5 entire seconds?
before pressing rupture?
civic palm
It's safe to pool up to ~80%
tropic ocean
thats y ppl complain about low apm sin
civic palm
smoothBrainSIN
tropic ocean
If you only fill every 3rd global ๐ฅบ
ancient onyx
assa can be funny at times, constant crits and u pump for 15sec straight and then afk for 10sec to pool for TB 
tropic ocean
well sin is a very easy and straight forward spec
violet mural
well i kinda point that is my issue there that i dunno how to maintain the damage after opening
tropic ocean
Even if you dont pool
violet mural
the guide only mentioning how to do opening
empty tide
Remember BoD assa with no lucid 
quasi pewter
@arctic walrus first time for 2nd hulk, then literally applied to azshara start of p2 and used it in p4 with inkpod procc again
civic palm
Read the wowhead guide, it has a rotation section, reeeeeeead it.
tropic ocean
like i didnt bother min maxing, pooling until i started to raid ce, and still purple log avg with just keeping bleeds up and use everything on cd
violet mural
alright sir
cobalt pelican
nobody can maintain their damage after their opener
violet mural
..... oh well thanks and sorry for wasting ur time guys
cobalt pelican
that's the point of the opener
civic palm
IT'S NOT A WASTE IF YOU LEARNED AND APPLY YOURSELF
If you mongo smash your buttons are do well enough, but there's clear errors there.
sour wasp
and played assa for memes
cobalt pelican
you can get pretty decent ranks without pooling even as sin to be honest
i mash my keys all the time and do fine
i know it's wrong but especially on reclear it just be how it do sometimes you know
civic palm
Most huge parses come from tiny kill times and cheese.
civic palm
If you're just looking at that as a measure of your ability you're doing it wrong.
cobalt pelican
tru
sour wasp
i feel like pooling is more impactful on 3dd
left moth
ok so i decided to go double "Nothing Personal" instead of double "Loyal to the end" just do do something against the RNG since i only Pug with random groups
sour wasp
if you have 2dd or less it doesn't feel like much
civic palm
More so with 3xTtK where you can easily get 3ENV in a TB.
sour wasp
that's just me
tropic ocean
its small gains that add up
ancient onyx
well logs are fine but you need to be able to read them because some of them are disgusting padding that won't get you anywhere on progression on a lot of unexperienced players fall for that trap
or they will look at the log and see what the guy is doing without understanding why
rare pond
If you're low on energy and TB is coming off CD in a couple secs do you just pool until it's up and then build cp for envenom?
civic palm
You plan better.
ancient onyx
nah
tropic ocean
you should pool beforehand
true nexus
you pool before tb come soff cd?
civic palm
You literally should not be spamming ENV.
ancient onyx
u want to have a lot of energy when TB is coming up
tropic ocean
you basically build and spend to not overcap
civic palm
Basically always possible.
true nexus
do you want to clip envenom with elaborate planning or do you mostly let it fall off
civic palm
Don't manage EP.
sour wasp
^
civic palm
You are either smashing ENV through Toxic Blade windows, or pooling to ~80% while managing your DoT timers.
left moth
this chat is so helpful omg i love you guys โค #nohomo
rare pond
but you're still gonna envenom like, 1-3 times between TB right?
sour wasp
we love you too, except mizerok
civic palm
sour wasp
he can't love
tropic ocean
Just dont overcap
ancient onyx
2 should be always
civic palm
2 - 3 ENVs every TB.
ancient onyx
3 what ur going for
tropic ocean
and youโre fine
civic palm
3 is your goal.
low junco
4 99 logs today
rare pond
No I mean, while TB is on CD you're still using envenom
low junco
almost did 100 on ashvane
tropic ocean
yes
low junco
we will get them next time chief
tropic ocean
You use dd/env to not overcap
true nexus
also never overlap envs?
civic palm
Figure out how much you will have to pool as Haste and Crit plays a large enough factor that stats can influence things.
true nexus
or does that no matter
true nexus
kk
civic palm
If you can get to a nice place in Energy then sure overlap ENV buff.
sour wasp
don't play around anything else, no elaborate, no envenom buff
your goal is tb windows
left moth
i have one question that im thinking about for a long time now ๐ When do i press "condensed life force" in opener
civic palm
Before Vendetta.
lost horizon
and not during MA window
left moth
ok nice ๐
civic palm
There are minor optimizations but they do not matter. Before Vendetta.
tropic ocean
I guess the only situation where you build and finish with envenom is when you dont get another tb
low junco
i use it after garrote
tropic ocean
Otherwise pool
low junco
mut rupture mut garrote clf
true nexus
this might be a dumb question but when you vanish do you wait at all or do you start rotation right away
ancient onyx
@left moth Mutiliate-->rupture-->mutiliate-->garrote-->Golem-->Vendetta-->TB-->Vanish--> Envenom
tropic ocean
Wdym wait?
quasi pewter
just dont use it like i did on our orgozoa kill
civic palm
You do not wait because you have the energy needed to mash inside Vanish.
MUT/etc. is too important in BfA to sit in Stealth.
There were margins in Legion where you would sit in Stealth after Vanish to pool while Shoulders did work.
left moth
@ancient onyx ok and when i also use coral i go Mutiliate-->rupture-->mutiliate-->garrote-->CORAL-->Golem-->Vendetta-->TB-->Vanish--> Envenom i guess?
low junco
tfw
civic palm
But you don't get 100% crit, and MUT is too much damage atm.
low junco
i missed a toxic blade which pmuch fucked my 100 log yes?
ancient onyx
i dont have coral
tropic ocean
yeah just pop coral asap
civic palm
It hurts but doesn't ruin things.
left moth
NotLikeThis
civic palm
If you stab that fat corally cunt in the face with TB and she parries you.
low junco
not orgozoa but ashvame
sour wasp
you can do coral the second you attack the boss, it deosn't count as a gcd @left moth
low junco
mb
true nexus
is there a weakaura that counts/prints out how many ENVs you got in the tb window
just for awareness
civic palm
Your brain.
true nexus
to improve
left moth
@sour wasp oh so before my 1st envenom?
ancient onyx
orgozoa dodged so fucking many TB for today... idk how this bitch keeps doing it
civic palm
There is nothing else going on at that point other than boss abilities, just pay attention like you should be.
runic tree
The benthic gloves and wrist also can have a socket too?
true nexus
i can count but maybe i wanna see the numbers afterwards
civic palm
Then look at WCL.
sour wasp
@left moth as soon as you attack the boss really, you use it besides the normal opener sequence since it doesn't trigger a cooldown, you want the debuff to be on the boss ASAP so it can stack as much as possible until you spend the stcks on your second vendetta
left moth
@sour wasp okay yes, i get it thanks ๐
low junco
dudr
violet mural
thank you again everyone and sorry for the troubles i cause
civic palm
ezpz
low junco
if i get a good ring ill be simming 48
sour wasp
3 shields lul
low junco
probably 48.5
sudden trench
anyone here have the string for a 445 gorak tul's mantle - really wanna sim it.
low junco
@sudden trench 1 sec
sour wasp
@sudden trench droptimizer?
ancient onyx
Neurocloud how much do u sim?
sudden trench
โค thx mate
civic palm
Track Toxic Blade debuff, and your personal Envenom casts.
Can easily see where you hit the ENVs you hit.
tropic ocean
@sour wasp ? Theres not so many guilds 2 phasing it
low junco
@ancient onyx 1 sec aswell
tropic ocean
๐ค
sour wasp
i was just memeing
empty tide
We did 2 phase yesterday
low junco
shoulder=",id=159339,bonus_id=5448/1617/4786/6271,context=35,azerite_powers=129/193/30/217"
should be this?
sudden trench
โค ty bud
tropic ocean
we tried 2 phase today but only got to 50%
sour wasp
i'm casual af compared to some ppl here, only 3/8
left moth
dude the socket system is insane, it hurts me that i have a 415ilvl Crit/Haste Ring with Socket that sims higher than a 440ilv Crit/Mastery one
low junco
sudden trench
yup that works @low junco thx bud
ancient onyx
holy shieeeettttt
civic palm
Do note that it's not that sockets are bad or anything, but that gems are 2x what they should be > _>
ancient onyx
yeah u got gear...
low junco
no
ripe portal
that azerite
ancient onyx
i don't
tropic ocean
455 inkpod 445 ashvane
low junco
i think i got new stuff
tropic ocean
noz
left moth
i wish i had luck and rolled "Gorak Tuls Mantle" i bought Shoulders today and got literally the worst one
loud quail
hey guys anyone have a guide for a proper usage of Azshara's Font of Power with razor coral?
ripe portal
I've gotten 3 blighted tribes so far
sour wasp
<
left moth
@low junco fk u ๐
sour wasp
is loyal nerf worthy?
low junco
i said if it gets nerfed
civic palm
Nope.
low junco
idk if its nerf worthy
sour wasp
idk if my trash guild even know what that is
low junco
but rn it sims -17 than ceph
sudden trench
oops
low junco
wdym some assistance?
empty tide
Loyal is good
low junco
when i am the last one alive
civic palm
:"3
civic palm
It needs assistance from;
- Other people running it and alive
- Other people running it and dying
- Actually Simming other traits correctly
civic palm
Yeah but your typing O _O
sudden trench
@low junco 700 increase from the ones I have
low junco
people with font
empty tide
on kill
sudden trench
nah
low junco
:)
tropic ocean
ur inkpod crit bigger than font
civic palm
writes Jeff Gates
ripe bane
Best week for it
magic thorn
What Potions do we use when ?
low junco
unbridled
sour wasp
unbridled for st
left moth
whats the most efficient dungeon to spamm mythic+ for ๐
ancient onyx
none
empty tide
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cCzCxjFHnRUCNz54mpNrac need that gorak meme
ancient onyx
literally only raid gear matters
magic thorn
Why Unbridled and not focused resolved ?
scarlet sequoia
because one is good and the other is bad
left moth
is that 450 Helmet sold on AH? ๐
robust light
left moth
fk
empty tide
its the best helm besides the zaqul one