But u might want more ttk this week
#assassination
small thicket
surreal hawk
yo guys if u have 3 DD at how many targets do u start using fan? or do even use it ever?
small thicket
Isn't it like 5 or smnthn
stark crescent
yeah just got a 445 piece with eb and ttk
surreal hawk
thats a very good piece then
royal lantern
if you use 3xDD you are inside a raid, and in most raids you dont need too press fok sooo......
stark crescent
never use scent of blood?
small thicket
Ye dont use that
surreal hawk
aight
dark crag
Bubbles are not your job as assa
surreal hawk
i only use it for energy
royal lantern
^ tell your frking 2 dh's too keep eyebeam for 2seconds, and use it for bubbles
cobalt pelican
5+
royal lantern
if the small dh brain can understand that
dark crag
You can muti one but fok is wasted
surreal hawk
kk
tribal marlin
I'm effraid Protocol will be the go to 3rd slot for m+ ...
it's the only stupid essence I didn't bother farming
surreal hawk
same xd
tribal marlin
I have it rank 1 and I need 20 oscilator for rank 3 ...
dark crag
If your dh's don't pad the bubbles you should ask them if they forgot how to dh since illidan left them
small thicket
And all the crates 👌
tribal marlin
I'm fine with the crate, you can farm it straight forward. But the oscillator are so long to farm
stark crescent
i just use iris and lucid for dungeons
surreal hawk
nah hes talking about 3rd minor
shut yacht
yo, anyone up to help me discover why did I pull 7k dps more than my average in our last ashvane wipe? I can't find why all of my abilities simply hit harder when I had less crits and less buff/debuff uptime
rigid mango
Link it
tribal marlin
depend on when you died, fight duration etc...
a lot of factor
maybe you did 3rd vendetta that fight
Also sin can have huge RNG with DD procs and seal fate combo during 1st vendetta
royal lantern
DD procs and rng during vendetta 
crisp steppe
@shut yacht playing loyal to the end?
cobalt pelican
you died just as your vendetta ended
shut yacht
tribal marlin
yes you have like 60% chance of procing DD each mutilate assuming you are under env buff
tribal marlin
in some very rare case you are procing DD off every single Mutilate during Vendetta
shut yacht
@cobalt pelican dps was way better right from the start of the fight so this is unlikelly
tribal marlin
I noticed that I sometime pulled a lot of dps at the opener and discover it was about DD procs
cobalt pelican
for example for me i have 20-30 iterations at 41k dps
20-30 at 50k dps
if you filter solely to the opener spike
you have 16dd hits on one
26 on the other
shut yacht
like i think lucky numbers like DD and so on don't make it up for such a big differene
crisp steppe
how much do you sim for narzz
cobalt pelican
tribal marlin
told you, you would be surprise how high you can go during the opener with DD lucky streak
cobalt pelican
the first 1:34 of the fight, including your opening vendetta
shut yacht
I sim like 40.5k or so if I can remember correctly
crisp steppe
like your dps isn't very good across the entire night. so im assuming you might just have been playing better as well on some pulls
shut yacht
But shit player so never reach anything similar to that
crisp steppe
and you wouldn't be able to identify when you're playing good either
if you did then you'd probably do it more consistently I think so at least
anyway rng can be a thing
as melee on ashvane
don't try to be a mechanics hero
the goal as the raidgroup is to maximize ur dmg while doing the mechanics. melee going off the boss a lot is not part of that
shut yacht
sure
I didn't do the maths, but I was skeptical about small rng buffs or DD would make up for sucha big difference
crisp steppe
it usually is at least part of the story
tribal marlin
DD is half abut RNG unless you are playing near perfeectly
It's more about good managing Env windows
but rng is rng and DD has 60% to proc with env buff so if you proc it 10 time in a row it does go in the higher part of the variance
Assa doesn't have high variance like Outlaw, but most of its variance comes from DD procs and Env crits during TB.
shut yacht
also, I play assa as I played it in legion cuuse I was god at it so I cba learning class stuff for bfa, so I should start investing some time on that now I think and stop blaming bad ping formy poor dps overall
tribal marlin
Necrotic
young jewel
^
tribal marlin
they could ask for frost mage tho
but rogue is good
rogue is shiny
rogue is stealthed
tropic ocean
necrotic wasn't a reason to take assa last 2 seasons 😄
tribal marlin
long live rogues
shut yacht
thanks a lot fo the help guys btw ^^
thorn trout
Guys can you check these out please:
Yesterday:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iTTFmkJ4gFqGMUgkWBP1DZ
Today:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6SR6wVQEvQYZBqkARQNXT5
I wonder did I make some good progress ?
tribal marlin
you are welcome
thorn trout
yeah
ripe shale
hey i got a question
vagrant tapir
Swap your essences bud and get r2 LD
tribal marlin
Maybe people believe Outlaw is broke and it now sucks even if it's probably still the best sustained cleave spec
they see nerf, they think spec is dead
thorn trout
I'm working on ld atm
ripe shale
so i am currently rerolling and basically the gear i have is all i could get right now
why is it simming subterfuge over master assasin ? for ST
should i still use master assain in raid ? im a bit confused right now
thorn trout
@vagrant tapir what should I swap ?
upbeat geode
you use sub if you have shrouded suffocation traits
if you have better traits you can go Master assasin
thorn trout
these are essences I got
grim cedar
What level of stacks should you let coral build to? Or just wait until just before VD is coming off CD then pop it no matter what your stacks have built to
And how do you use it in the opener?
ripe shale
i dont have better traits
upbeat geode
then you spec into subterfuge
ripe shale
so basically my opener changes again ^^
upbeat geode
it should be something like: Garrote Rupture Garrote
do rotation and wait for garrote to fall of
then vanish, Garrote, finisher, Garrote
hoary crown
@grim cedar yes you should use it with vendetta mate!
ripe shale
that sounds dumb oof... been practicing the MA opener the whole time
well ill try thanks @upbeat geode
hoary crown
@grim cedar I pop it just before my vendetta in the opener, but I think you can use it earlier aswell, it’s off the gcd right?
upbeat geode
@ripe shale also press vendetta after the 2nd time you hit garrote, np, have fun
hoary crown
If I’m gettin a 445 piece today with subt even if it’s an upgrade on st, I wont use it!
drifting flame
you guys think 20% haste is good enough to gem other stats instead? not simming btw
tribal marlin
Sims
drifting flame
no
tribal marlin
you should, because haste value is variable
upbeat geode
why guess if you can know
hoary crown
Why wouldnt you sim? xD no one can acctually tell What you should go for, much that plays in in your stat weights @drifting flame
drifting flame
not waiting for it
tribal marlin
depend a lot on your essence used, your azerite etc...
hoary crown
Just sim it and do something meanwhile?
drifting flame
no
upbeat geode
in that case ye sure 20% sounds great
drifting flame
thank you esha
hoary crown
Well good luck with gemming your best stat then cD
limber abyss
no echoing blades
upbeat geode
Do you have any echoing blades?
hoary crown
4 targets i think
grim cedar
@hoary crown ty 👍
tribal marlin
If you can't/don't want to sim then I'll bet that you can go to 22-23% haste before considering geming something else
but as I said, some azerite can make crit better anyway
fervent jasper
How many targets before you just spam FoK? Like not even spending your combo points
cerulean walrus
???????
crisp steppe
hard to say @fervent jasper depends on ur crit %, echoing blades traits etc
tribal marlin
Basically haste will sim best as long as you can't consistantly get 3 env during TB
crisp steppe
I wouldn't bother untill at least 6-7. usually theres something that can benefit from getting some prio dmg
fervent jasper
2 EB 40% crit
tribal marlin
once you get enough haste to accomplish 3 env during TB in most case, haste start falling.
I think OP devalue haste for exemple
same for Major Lucid if there is anyone still playing with it
crisp steppe
ultimately just use top gear
fervent jasper
Will top gear tell me that?
upbeat geode
you usually want to have 5 bleeds up to get mor energy to spam more FoK
limber abyss
how can I see raid bots cast sequence again?
fervent jasper
@upbeat geode so bleeds are rolling and I'm energy positive. How many targets before FoK > finishers
crisp steppe
nobody is going to tell you anything but a feelycraft number
you can sim it yourself if you really care
fervent jasper
I'll take the feel crafty number
upbeat geode
14
crisp steppe
gave you one earlier
upbeat geode
well his feelcraft number is half my feelcraft number. so good luck with those ;D
this is why we sim
crisp steppe
yours is complete nonsense but yeah
bronze kelp
There is a sheet with which u can calculate this
molten mirage
is dribbling ink pod good to run for us in any scneario?
rigid mango
Ashvane
royal lantern
its good for progression
bronze kelp
EP finisher or FoK spam sheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IWvPyqa0qja-8-VnsBvzcbXHn5nunbCiu2JKceeM-RU/htmlview
bronze kelp
@crisp steppe @upbeat geode
dire steeple
empty badge
after vendeta window then on cooldown
zenith hatch
crisp steppe
@bronze kelp very cool thanks !
zinc furnace
Good
upbeat geode
im looking at it right now fahwi, it looks cool
zinc furnace
Small? 🤔
crisp steppe
feel free to sim it and then its going to tell you phial is good
then you're going to use it and look at the dmg it did at the end of the dungeon
and never equip it again
empty badge
you cant sim m+
upbeat geode
" if you have less than 3 EB Traits, you should probably be casting finishers" lol
the sheet has spoken!
crisp steppe
you can attempt to sim it to get an idea of what gear you should bring. but reality will turn out different of course.
zinc furnace
True, im torn between various azerite pieces and traits. Cant figure out if i need some aoe+st half measures or go into aoe even in Tyrranical
crisp steppe
depends on the dungeon
like TTK is a great combination of the two
solid ST, good prio and adds to ur aoe as well
SS same thing
good prio, decent ST
zinc furnace
I mostly doubt if DD should be there, as its my highest ilvl pieces
crisp steppe
DD is really poor. but maybe in kings rest
zinc furnace
Unlikely , as used only on bosses
crisp steppe
you just have to figure what the pulls are going to be like
rigid mango
DD is one of the worst m+ traits there are
zinc furnace
I pug 14-15 mostly. Not mdi pulls. Casual routes
rigid mango
Aoe is till valued highly on tyr weeks as you can pull bigger
What traits are you debating between exactly?
zinc furnace
Currently i have 2 EB, 2 TTK 1 SS and 1 Blood Rite (meh). I consider dropping 1 EB for 1 More SS or NP
For this week i mean
As with these traits my boss dmg looks so poor
rigid mango
I wouldn't dropp an EB this week
Blood rite is unfortunatly really bad, do you have any lower level shoulder with decen traits?
sturdy dust
I see a lot of rogues in top guilds running 2 or 3 TTK traits for Eternal Palace. Is this just due to available gear or is it close to DD for a ST trait?
rigid mango
Available gear mostly
Ttk isn't a bad trait, far from it, but it's not as good as dd
Just a bunch of 445 pieces with it on it
bleak spoke
ttk+goodtrait+op is very good
zinc furnace
@zine my blood rite is on 445 piece with EB. The alterbative is 420 with SS and smth else... Will consider buying a new 430 piece i guess, have 12k TR
How many TR do 445 pieces dust to?
patent ridge
hello guys! i seek your guidance, great ones. i have Font of Azshara and ashvane coral trinkets and they obviously sim way more than the others, but in pratical terms is it really worth to be using the Azshara trinket ? i mean 4 sec casting something mid fight, will it be worth it ? i also have the ink trinket (430) and loaded dice (440) what are u running with ?
night vale
The 4 second channel is built into the sim 😃 so dw about it, if it sims higher then its worth it
zinc furnace
Well the Agi bonus is huge, but prolly sim says truth.
rigid sonnet
any specific settings I should use on raidbots to sim for dungeons? using dungeon slice keeps valuing my single target gear over using any SS even with subterfuge, they are a lot lower ilvl but does the dungeon slice setting represent SS usage poorly by any chance? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2mzGr2JpSjYVSH5bCqC4iM
zinc furnace
Cries in corner with no coral/font but with 440 Galecaller
patent ridge
@zinc furnace haha i feel you bro, just got mines in the same raid, crazy shit
thanks for the support guys
zinc furnace
The on use effect is literally "forces your tank drag boss 20yd away"
placid dawn
I think dungeon slice doesnt re stealth correctly so that might be why
also, its way to biased towards bosses from what ive hear
rigid sonnet
ye was thinking it'd be better for assa simming because of bossbias as that's what I'd be focusing on with assa dmg
but this doesn't seem right
narrow mauve
Btw guys. What would be the general stat prio for sin in raids? A bit confusing that seeing some logs where 1 rogue is going all out crit, other one is focusing on mastery/haste. Both use similiar talent builds.
empty badge
sim yourself, im at 34 crit 28 haste 42 mast
narrow mauve
ah aight. So there are no soft caps or anything. Just go nuts at what ever sims shows you?^^
empty badge
yes
vast forum
link sim
could be the haste, as clf scales well with haste
and lucid doesn't at all
sour wasp
tried playing around with the np's i have available
i thought it will pull ahead with np on shoulders
jolly agate
How bad is swirling sands trait? I just got a 445 slithering loa. At least it has DD and OP
jolly agate
Oooh
sour wasp
i need to make a big boi sim with enchants gems and shit then
jolly agate
I'll never get m zaq helm
jolly agate
I hit the lottery with gorak tul's tho
rigid mango
Full premium from guild
@jolly agate all u need is cephalohide/blackwater and u have ST BiS
sudden ocean
Does anyone know off the top of their head whether Poen's gloves are simming properly
they weren't for a while
sturdy dust
Spent 150 Manapearls yesterday trying to get Poen's gloves - no dice. Feelsbadman
sudden ocean
I just remember there was a thing about sims overestimating the effect of poens
was wondering whether it was fixed
royal lantern
thats the dmg/healing proc right?
sudden ocean
Yeah
royal lantern
the thing is pretty simple: its a projectile that flys a straight line from you too the boss
if it hits the boss, it does dmg, if it hits a player, it heals
sudden ocean
I know but it shared a proc with the healing proc or something?
royal lantern
and the sim takes it as 100%dmg proc
sudden ocean
I just remember raidbots not accounting for it properly or something and wanted to check
royal lantern
wich will probably not happen, you will heal
sudden ocean
So the Queen gloves are better than poens?
young portal
They sim better for me, but my Queens gloves have socket as well
royal lantern
poes is still good, cus you can force a socket
but it sims better then it is in reality
sudden ocean
Mmm but even with a forced socket its +60 dps only, so is that margin small enough to take the Queen gloves over poens for better consistency
Taking a log from tonight, 31 procs of damage
to 12 procs of healing
cobalt pelican
don't think poens is a projectile
it's just random
if the difference is like.. -50 for azshara gloves i'd just play those
sudden ocean
Yeah that's my thoughts, just was wondering whether anyone could confirm whether Poen's sims true
sweet pebble
Do you guys use Dungeon Slice to sim for mythic+?
sudden ocean
@solid nova you wouldn't have any idea would you?
rigid mango
Poens sims worse than socketed azsharas hands for me
dapper plover
so are the crit boots the best benthic?
sudden ocean
Check the sim data I posted
rigid mango
Poens are more or less equal to the wrists from what I've seen, but they have inherent rng in them
Crit boots are the best, yeah
rigid mango
Uhh, with a 50 dps diff I'd personally take azsharas hands for encounters
Unless you know there'll be downtime at any 2 min mark
shell lodge
thats odd.. so i have 25%crit, 25% Haste and sims tells me to stack.. well haste. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jjfam4X6toA1gELdXEKEAD
sudden ocean
Thanks Zine, that was my thoughts but just wanted to see about Poens
shell lodge
also it tells me to replace Force Multi with Deadly..
night vale
esp when using CLF over lucid major for example
rigid mango
I mean crit is normally valued very highly for clf
But I think it might be the benthic pieces that increase crit value too(?)
inner tree
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nc2ZwmtiiuvkquHqGq9WB i know gorak tul's are broken but does that seem right ?
shell lodge
no idea.. just gonna follow what it says and sim again to be sure
rigid mango
Yeah, I don't see any major issue with that sim?
upbeat geode
are gorak tul's OP enough to save up for or shall i gamble?
sudden ocean
Droptimizer it
rigid mango
I'm gambling because I want m+ pieces too
inner tree
DD/NP 445 spaulders being only a 170 dps upgrade over a 420 gorak tul seems weird to me but ok
inner tree
i know but when i sim orgozoa shoulders it's still a 500/600 dps upgrade even with double NP is OP that good lol
rigid mango
I'm not too surprised 
Op is worth a lot, NP has seemingly lost value in 8.2
Maybe not lost valuez, maybe just other traits being superior as one ofs
sudden ocean
and higher base haste
rigid mango
Hm?
sudden ocean
less value on the bonus energy I assume
rigid mango
Oh, I mean I don't think that matters too much
The issue is that mastery has been surpassed by crit thanks to clf + benthics it seems
And instead of gearinf haste mast at top end like I was at the end of 8.1.5, it still seems like crit haste
slim socket
not sure tbh
slim socket
bbi ofc
rigid mango
Np increases mast, bbi reduces crit value
I suppose I can run goraks sims later and see if I find anything conclusive
sudden ocean
My sims want me to keep a second loyal with a np rather than go for bbi on my gorak and NP on my Zaq helmet
slim socket
ohh and i changed inkpod for font
fervent jasper
Best trinkets for m+?
sudden ocean
suprisingly not low
slim socket
perfect stats weight 
sudden ocean
I'll throw my raid stuff on after this key
rigid mango
I'm not
sour wasp
rigid mango
Leaving in like 5 min, I'll check within 30
sour wasp
cheers man
rigid mango
What's not low dingo?
sudden ocean
hold up
prime geode
guys is the head from tos good with the sands trait ?
rigid mango
Yeah, 2nd bis helm
slim socket
prob 2nd best
prime geode
which is 1st ?
slim socket
zaqul
shell lodge
hymm tho i could get like 25%+ Haste right now, tho it tells me to put a ring with Versa instead : P. Wasnt versa supossed to be, u know. Bad?
shell lodge
well now they look kinda broken.. 24% Crit/ 22%Haste/ 43% Mastery/ 7%Versa.
dapper plover
can i vanish briny bubble or barb on fish boss?
slim socket
i died there 2 times because got barb on my vendetta vanish combo but dont remeber if i had cheat death
sudden ocean
@rigid mango
shell lodge
i could have almost the same stats with the only diffrence for Versa being on 5%. no idea why sims tells me diffrent.
slim socket
different traits,trinkets,benthic
sudden ocean
^
slim socket
there is no ideal stats template
rigid mango
40% aint that high is it?
sudden ocean
I'm supermaxed on crit though
440 spyglass and a coral
Which is probably why loyal comes out over bbi
sour wasp
lmao
grim cedar
Got the coral trinket today and have a 430 dice
Raidbots is saying font to go alongsode my coral is 500dps increase
Has anyone tried the 2 together in game? Is 2 in use a thing or is it just a simcraft thing
last ingot
Today i'll buy a 445 azerite gear (helm or shoulders). IM almost scared of opening another sh_t loot
summer marten
monstrosity shoulders incoming!
slim socket
@grim cedar its the best setup check tc-updates channel
last ingot
I already have monstrosity.
grim cedar
Ty
summer marten
ok, you win
last ingot
Gods are against us.
glad light
I actually couldn't believe it when I got my third one yesterday. I just left the room and pet my dog a bit.
last ingot
My shammy friend bought 3 random 445 gear. 3 BIS.
teal locust
for m+, do you go with 3 ss? So basically as many as you can get?
zinc furnace
Would u guys drop EB for high KR key this week?
upbeat geode
what are this weeks affixes?
zinc furnace
Tyr, Bursting, Necro
upbeat geode
yea for kr you can afford to lose a eb, the only big pull will be slimes right?
inner tree
i see people not running force multiplier new meta ?
hollow junco
meta is and has been simyoself
inner tree
ty dude ahah
woven summit
I gambled on 445 shoulders and I got meticilious scheming. Not really lucky. But hey, still an upgrade. I just hope the 3 different abilities I need to do wont be much of a hassle in a raiding scenario.
scenic wagon
unbridled fury or focused resolve for single target?
sour wasp
unbridled
rigid mango
@sour wasp get a better yellow card u hobo
sour wasp
hey don't judge, stopped playing for 2 weeks
lmao
its ok i just changed everything to haste, got up to 22%
rigid mango
I've not touched mechagon for 2-3 weeks
sour wasp
and i got 1k dps
rigid mango
And I've got a bette rone
cobalt pelican
i got a heart of azeroth level today
that's my biggest dps upgrade
for the week
rigid mango
same
sour wasp
@rigid mango got 2 more gemmed pieces i had in bags, up to 5 gems, changed them all to haste, got quick on oh
rigid mango
make a top gear
sour wasp
sim is way better
manic quartz
feels good to buy 445ilvl and its -495dps vs 435ilvl :/
vagrant tapir
opinions on holding CDs on ashvane as sin rogue?
rigid mango
@sour wasp did SS and subt sim better for u?
manic quartz
Raiment of Blighted Tribe
sour wasp
it did yup
rigid mango
sour wasp
maybe cuz lack of ttk
rigid mango
Your char is cursed
sour wasp
i dont fucking know lmao
rigid mango
?
vagrant tapir
Is the question
rigid mango
Are u asking about sin rogue, boss damage blaster extraordinaire's viablity on a patchwerk fight?
manic quartz
well serves me right, i got 445 Gorak's last time
cobalt pelican
his guild is probably doing some weird shit where only half ppl save their cds
or something
vagrant tapir
Im asking about the viability of having sin rogue be the class you use to hold
cobalt pelican
it's kinda weird to decide to offset some 2mins and not all 2mins/3mins though cause nothing will line up
rigid mango
It's entirely fine
cobalt pelican
most guilds just hold everything that's not a dumb cd like dk cds/trueshot/recklessness
rigid mango
You don't lose a vendetta from it
sour wasp
yes, sin rogue is a good class to hold
cobalt pelican
or use everything
sour wasp
probably the best but idk
rigid mango
Boomies and dh's are p good at holding
Like, any class with burst that doesn't lose cast from holding
is good
Vic, how much is your char simming for you now
and gimme ur god damn sim
vestal wren
welcome to the pirate crew
winter moss
guess you outlaw now
rigid mango
nty
last ingot
Do essences get stronger with heart levels simply?
sour wasp
atleast you get fucking weapons
ripe nimbus
@last ingot yes about 200 Damage per neck LVL on most. Vision minor gets .3% CDR per lvl
last ingot
Ty. Anyone near lvl 65?
rigid mango
A lot are
jolly comet
im like halfway through 64
rigid mango
I'd still call that a grinid
rigid mango
same :^)
strange python
I‘m a 58 lowbob, see yall in 5 weeks on 65 tho while u grinding and 68 thx to weekly nerfs 🤗
desert vault
Heroic aszhara gloves seem pretty decent? still not as good as like 420 socket benthic I assume?
wtf, three benthic gloves, all three socketed with the stupid crit strikes heal you ... that is some sweet rng
rigid mango
at socketed 430, they're better than poens for me
stark oxide
I mean its benthic we're comparing
sour wasp
does cyclotronic use dmg scale with ilvl?
cobalt pelican
ya
and azshara gloves are p good a smallforge/socket on heroics is probably better than benthic
sour wasp
shoot me, i thought it was just vers all this time
cobalt pelican
unsocketed 430s are -330 dps compared to 425 poens for me but like, some of that is poen simvalue
thorn trout
guys seriously
cobalt pelican
it's effectively just yellow card ilvl since it's the only one that scales the trinkets ilvl
thorn trout
how the fuck its possible to make 21m dps with 425ilv assassin ?
cobalt pelican
21m dps dam dude
solid nova
...
sour wasp
if you suck and have no gear
thorn trout
tol dagor m8
thorn trout
13.2k
rigid mango
thorn trout
21m overall
cobalt pelican
nice dude
sour wasp
sounds like a standard zine performance to me
rigid mango
either everyone else blasted so hard u didn't get to do anything
or you're really undergeraed and playiung poorly
solid nova
Sounds like you didnt have your poisons on.
stark oxide
^
cobalt pelican
wait assasination has poisons?????
rigid mango
Nice cyclo fuckhead
thorn trout
I did have my poisons
thorn trout
kept up with garrote and rupture
thorn trout
gonna post gear naw
rigid mango
cool
stark oxide
Pretty sure I auto attack for about 7k dps?
thorn trout
that shit makes me cancer
thorn trout
I mean 425 ilv and 21m overall and i did everything
cobalt pelican
yes you did evverything
solid nova
I mean, thats clearly not the case.
cobalt pelican
true gamer
sour wasp
put a sim with your m+ gear here
stark oxide
you can't have done everything
rigid mango
Seeing as how like
people were doing wayyyy more
with way lower ilvl
I highly doubt that.
rigid mango
Yeah
cobalt pelican
340 ilvl gang
rigid mango
Pretty sure you were
cobalt pelican
when you could farm your gorak tuls
rigid mango
cobalt pelican
well, run waycrest 1x a week
stark oxide
ah, the days
cobalt pelican
heh
sour wasp
2dd
rigid mango
^
sour wasp
ecks dee'd
solid nova
Rank 2 and 1 essences
sour wasp
my ass off
rigid mango
I mean, even then I'm pretty sure over 13k dps is achievable
polar shale
raid traits in m+ sure dont help
stark oxide
I mean he has double SS
and its a m8
that should be shredding the packs with how low hteir hp is
thorn trout
how can I fix this shit
stark oxide
I mean, its a m+ so its hard to say. Were they pulling slow? were there wipes?
sour wasp
you should 13k just by applying garrotes and then afking
stark oxide
your gear isn't optimized for ST or AOE either way
thorn trout
@solid nova man yesterday you sad my traits were shit and I resetted them and choose best with topgear
rigid mango
Doesn't mean they're still not shit
rigid mango
24hrs doesn't mean traits magically become good and not a huge flaming pile of garbage
strange python
aren't traits like money? you get interest on them and they grow larger
pretty sure that's how it works
solid nova
Play the game for more than 24 hours at a time to allow for gear
thorn trout
like is that essences gonna give me 20mil dps when they hit tier 3 ??
hazy canyon
Plant the gear-seed and harvest it once every 7 days, preferably on Tuesday morning
solid nova
You're confusing dps and overall
small thicket
thorn trout
thats the gear I get from playing
solid nova
Your overall damage and dps are not the same
thorn trout
and they're shit
solid nova
Yes and you gear wont change
Unless you play more
Sometimes, thats more than 1 day.
small thicket
signal glacier
Yo
solid nova
But 13k is extremely low so, i assume you can start at basics.
signal glacier
what did i walk into
thorn trout
stealth > garrote > rupture > tb
prisma carbon
Log your runs. That’s very low even with those traits.
stark oxide
spread garrotes on 3 targets, do a rupture and garrote on 4th, then spam Fan and Envenom
for starters
thorn trout
I'm doing same thing
strange python
there is no way you're doing that if you're doing 13k dps dude
rigid mango
You don't want to garrote outside of subt empowered ones 😄
modest tendon
You can do good damage with 1 ss, it’s definitely rotational
woeful oriole
I just got enough to buy my first rando 445. If I'm focusing on single target which piece is the best gamble?
rigid mango
Depends what you're wearing
solid nova
Depends what you've got now 
signal glacier
@woeful oriole Droptimixer on Raidbots
rigid mango
too slow,.
signal glacier
Ikr
dense axle
Xeo, it depends on the gear you have. You can sim upgrades though
signal glacier
Haste too low
woeful oriole
oh thats true, forgot about droptimizer... i'll go check it
rigid mango
Even managed to type out emote
remote saffron
is wowanalyzer good for sin?
thorn trout
dense axle
Yeah, it'll give you an expected value and whether to gamble or buy
rigid mango
It's not supported for sin, if you need help with logs I would post them here
solid nova
I mean linking details doesnt help in regards to rotational errors either
covert tapir
I need to get close r to that sim number lol
solid nova
and if thats 13k including Iris damage
covert tapir
Need to work on my rotate more
runic tree
For benthic: boots waist and hands?
rigid mango
And wrists
signal glacier
Did you have 0% durability or something?
dense axle
You gotta click buttons man. Literally anything will make your DPS higher
remote saffron
yeah I'm missing between 6 and 10k damage from what i sim patchwerk and i'm wondering why
rigid mango
boots > wrists > hands > waist dps wise @runic tree
thorn trout
should I just roll to outlaw and expect some more dps or I'm gonna delete that fuckin rogue
strange python
- Fan of Knives 44.1k
runic tree
@rigid mango thanks
rigid mango
fok
covert tapir
I’m probably missing like 6k from my sim
signal glacier
Outlaw is pre easy
rigid mango
@thorn trout that's also a Single taget sim, not a dungeon one
signal glacier
Its just logic based
covert tapir
I find myself making a lot of errors in my rotation due to fat fingering something or not poopin cds at correct times
cobalt pelican
i encourage this motion
signal glacier
^ jesus
solid nova
Yeah not the place.
signal glacier
Ikr
rigid mango
Shitposting
solid nova
Enough.
rigid mango
signal glacier
Quick question, Why is this 420 socket dagger from 10 months ago still better than a 440 chest drop? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jwMzt8gp2gejhHY9NDVQex
rigid mango
is it in offhand?
prisma carbon
@solid nova log your runs dude. You can’t expect people to give you specifics without them.
signal glacier
Sorry, i mean like minimal
solid nova
@prisma carbon ?
dapper plover
that warlock
cobalt pelican
cause it has a hole in it
umbral scaffold
@remote saffron Save coral stacks for your next vendetta
signal glacier
Thats fucked
umbral scaffold
Don't use lucid major
signal glacier
DOes mutilate seeriously calculate dmg off ur MH and MH only?
last ingot
is taking a second SS for raiding bad? ( I have subterfuge) All of my high ilvl azerites have at least a ss
vast forum
@remote saffron you seem to cast a lot of ruptures and your first vanish window is kinda weird
cobalt pelican
if you're taking a first one for some reason a second one usually isn't like very bad
it's the first one that is the worst since it forces you into subterfuge
vast forum
@remote saffron you cast 2 ruptures within 3 sec at 23.5 and 26.5
umbral scaffold
Dude it's 2 different targets
umbral scaffold
@remote saffron Don't pop your vendetta + vanish without toxic blade
don't do this
rigid mango
If it means keeping rupture up, it's worth it
umbral scaffold
No, then you delay toxic blade
solid nova
You dont delay it
stark oxide
Never let dots fall off and never delay toxic blade, the two beginner rules to the spec
rigid mango
You never delay tb unless you wont get the full uptime
cobalt pelican
delaying toxic blade is like cardinal sin numero uno
dapper plover
is it worth sitting at energy cap with 5 cps for 3 secs to go into toxic blade
dapper plover
kk
rigid mango
If you're eng capped
using envenom and building with mutis inside tb, env and ep is quite good anyways
And you will probably still get 2 env atleast inside the windodw unless maybe your luck is garbage or smth
modest tendon
Getting like 99% energy as you tb is the perfect scenario, capping is lost dps though
rigid mango
169?
signal glacier
99%?
rigid mango
^
signal glacier
POg
modest tendon
Lol
rigid mango
It's aight
cobalt pelican
you'll always regen a decent amount of energy in gcd so like 125 is fine
rigid mango
CLF usage is in pins 😄
modest tendon
Most of lucid damage comes from minor
rigid mango
before vendetta in your opener
rigid mango
last zephyr
rigid mango
Heb 
last zephyr
Zine 
rigid mango
Heb 
last zephyr
lucky with the chest?
rigid mango
Got an outlaw weap because I forgot to change loot spec 
rigid mango
Got ss eb shoulders from residuum tho 
Nah fuck that, I'm back to sin now
Spent 2 weeks as outlaw bec of orgo prog, I need back to sin ASAP
last zephyr
same
rigid mango
I've still got scuffed helm for m+ so
Still 420's or ttk swirl op
I might run swirl tbh, it's quite good
last zephyr
ye missing 1 eb aswell
cobalt pelican
i got this hunka junk
i got kinda excited when i saw it
glistening in the box
scarlet sequoia
ttk eb 445 head and eb ss 430 shoulders and have 445 behemoth chest 
scarlet sequoia
😄
cobalt pelican
liberators might looks lit on the tooltip but apparently it's ass
woeful oriole
raidbots said go chest... so I did... 1 in 6 chance of getting a downgrade...
guess I should buy a lotto ticket since I'm beating the odds
FML
signal glacier
same here with shoulders tbh
rigid mango
I can run 2/2/2 again I think
I might just run 420's
for vampiric speed this week
rigid mango
m+ sims are whack for sin
heady tusk
its tyra i could go 2 SS and 2 DD instead of 1 DD and 3 SS
rigid mango
SS/TTK
desert vault
I'm running 2/2/2 with mostly 420s as well this week. Dont like it. If I can get 445 chest tonight will grab my sweet 400 head to run 3x ttk
scarlet sequoia
but why
rigid mango
You never play DD for m+ since it literally has no use for anything outside of bosses
scarlet sequoia
400 azerite 
rigid mango
Aye
desert vault
Yeah I have nothing for ss/ttk pieces sadly
rigid mango
I need more eb pieces
rigid mango
if I wanna boost bozo keys I need to get 3 eb at 445 and spin my ass to victory
grim rose
what does 2/2/2 mean?
rigid mango
Nah those are good
desert vault
looks ok for m+ 😃
rigid mango
More crit if possible
scarlet sequoia
your ilvl must be incredibly low
heady tusk
im missing 2 pieces without crit, wrist and waiste but 1 has socket and the other one is 450
it will be hard to replace
desert vault
my crit is so sad for m+, can't even speak about it without so much shame
why does first boss dagger have to have haste on it
vestal wren
to reach haste cap obv.
rigid mango
but I want that sweet 5.43% haste
desert vault
I need the dang court ring something serious, might give me a shot and getting 30% crit ...
my raid set has 23% haste I think, something like that
rigid mango
Something along those lines for me too
but apparently I'm dropping all my crit gems for haste
desert vault
I miss the socket days, was like that last season, down to 5 sockets now I think
tons of 445-455 gear and no sockets, rip my ilvl parse
signal glacier
Rip
desert vault
445 rings, 450 cloak, 450 bracers, all no sockets
arctic walrus
Any good loot EU friends?
glacial crypt
Nope, shitty boots 😄
dense cedar
Quite literally the next dungeon
modest tendon
@rancid citruse significance of 5.4% haste?
dense cedar
I finally got lucky
scenic nacelle
Would I be banned for linking my 455 Silvarra dagger?
signal glacier
scenic nacelle
signal glacier
Garbo dagger
dense cedar
I'm only linking cos i've been stuck on two 415 daggers the entire tier
thengetting two in a row is pretty uh
nice
scenic nacelle
That actually feelsbadman grats
modest tendon
For an ss raid build what are the best stats? Crit/mastery?
rigid mango
idk why mastery would help that much
modest tendon
More ss damage
rigid mango
I think it's just same shit tbh
modest tendon
I sim higher for sub than MA it sucks man
signal glacier
thats a thing
glacial crypt
Nice dagger dude! 😄
I've got a 450 and a 445 sivara dagger
main / offhand respectively
placid root
what traits do I run this week ?:D
daring iron
depends on the dungeon too.
signal glacier
Depends on the spec
daring iron
safe bet is 2ss 2eb 2ttk + or - any of those.
dense cedar
Depends on the class
vagrant tapir
Ashvane bubble apl?
Are you guys fully swapping and envenoming the bubbles?>
Or just rupture spread
last ingot
should i change my azerite traits on my shoulders everytime i change from raid to d+ and vice versa? my 445 shoulders has dd and ss now, but can change dd to eb. My other shoulders: 420 with eb and ss. and two 435 shoulders (scent of blood and np, and scent of blood and dd)
sick eagle
so is assass better for fortified m+ now?
daring iron
I mean it gets expensive quick if you bounce between the two often.
if you're just changing them for raid, clearing all of the raiding you'll do for the week and switching back thats fine
woven summit
I change but I have special days when I only do keys so I let the price cooldown
last ingot
i can't fanthom why theres a cost for azerite trait changing
daring iron
I had it up to 400k gold in 8.0
daring iron
raiding, pvp, m+ lol I didnt save my azerite pieces
woven summit
My advise is to make special days when you do keys and till raid day comes it will be cheap again
daring iron
I don't understand why they don't just let you change it like talents
last ingot
especially since we can change essence in rest places
woven summit
Yeah they should actually Im with you on that
dense cedar
MMOs need gold funnels
daring iron
gotta make that wow token money
not if it inconveniences you from playing your class lol
woven summit
In Classic you need to spend a fortune to respec tallents. But im fine in Classic, im not fine if they do that in live WoW lol
last ingot
or at least change it so price halves every day, not every 3
dense cedar
I never have to use the resepc thing tho??
It not very neccessary for sin rogue at least
deft magnet
raid traits and m+ traits are v different
dense cedar
I just have a lesser set for M+
woven summit
Oh I thought we are talking about Classic nvm
daring iron
if you're pushing high keys and mythic raiding you want the best options available, usually makes you respec often
woven summit
Yeah, unless you have two equal sets for keys and mythic raiding to swap between
last ingot
whats considered high keys?
dense cedar
15
daring iron
for me atm 18 lol
dense cedar
15+*
From just checking traits
I'd easly do worse dmage by azerite respecing
than by jsut using a different set of gear
daring iron
I feel that's very rarely the case for most people
daring iron
maybe for sub if that's what you're playin
daring iron
tru
dense cedar
Like my only awful gear piece is my shoulders
signal glacier
Woot