i mean i get your point
#assassination
potent raft
and unfortunately the gorak+ceph+engi is not even in the top 10 combinations
winter moss
we could argue if mantle of gorak tul can be replaced by frothing rage
winter moss
i said solid setup
rigid mango
but the two others are arguable BiS
winter moss
not the best
potent raft
well isnt the point of simming to find the best?
rigid mango
I did the sims with droptimizer + common sense
winter moss
again why even start simming what you dont have
rigid mango
it's not very hard 
rigid mango
winter moss
i think you dont understand what dropimizer is used for
e.g: i use droptimizer to see what boss has the most value
to my current gear
winter moss
but i dont sim how much ceph chest+gorak+ zaq would increase my dmg
because
simply enough, i dont have em
rigid mango
uhh loyal sims are a bit off but ye
potent raft
the point of all this was not to invalidate all of your gear or choices
It was a simple text addition to sim all current viable gear, if you want to see the best you COULD get and what to aim for.
night vale
i dont think the 1st boss helm is better than engineering one
winter moss
dropimizer does that
night vale
engineering has DD and OP
winter moss
- a simple brain usage will help
potent raft
droptimizer doesnt do that, not to this simple 1-step extent.
you'd have to run multiple droptimizer sims to find what thsi can give you
rigid mango
What's the engineering one called?
winter moss
Charged A5C-3N-D3D Gearspun Goggles
night vale
its prety close to BiS iirc
weary lagoon
quick question. Do sims take into account the Benthic gear benefits compared to gear with same or higher item level?
potent raft
yes
rigid mango
they were worse for me
winter moss
yes
strange python
Do you hold rank3 blood of the enemy for vendetta? I assume i shouldnt use blood and razor coral at the same time?
rigid mango
pins
weary lagoon
so why is gear with not so favorable stats simming better than benthic gear? just because of 5-10 item levels? if so that sounds knids jacked
winter moss
and @potent raft im tired of arguing over something that is dead for a long time: BIS list dont exists in that sense. sure benthic and azerites have some sort of preslected ones that are really good eitherway. but due to tittyforging and socket procs stats can shift from char to char so fucking much that even a various amount of sims will prove that other azerites can be better than the ultimate "bis one"
modest jasper
Do you have sockets and enabled "In Nazjatar" in sims, Rollback?
weary lagoon
some sockets and some without and yes
modest jasper
Well then other gear is probably just better 🤷
Feel free to share a sim if you want.
weary lagoon
just seems to me that maxxed benthic should be better than 430 w/o socket and shite stats...lol
night vale
ooooh interesting, Spymaster's Wrap is the BiS chest for me
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rR1dHUkNbyABPXEXfE7HDg
weary lagoon
will do later, gotta get to work now....thx for the sounding board and input...
rigid mango
Is it because your chest is the only one with NP?
modest jasper
Always welcome 😃 Have a good workday!
@night vale
rigid mango
Blackwater's equal to ceph for me
night vale
probably Zine :p
and i know mac, i was expecting the usual, its only slight but not what i was expecting
potent raft
@winter moss EXACTLY why the BIS list in herodamage is unreliable. Exactly why doing a Top Gear sim on your char with all azerite gear which can't TF/socket is a good idea.
Why are you telling me that taking mutiple steps/sims with droptimizer + brain is the better alternative to a simple brainless sim which does the same thing anyway? You may like doing it your way because it makes you feel smarter, but it doesn't invalidate "the other way" which is simpler
rigid mango
is it or is it not
night vale
well i mean i dont have nothing personal anyway
rigid mango
Why not just use droptimizer
rigid mango
There u go, no NP means spymaste rbetter
winter moss
night vale
i thought i linked droptimizer
winter moss
i mean you basically try to sim your own bis list
night vale
im confused
winter moss
which is worthless because you cant have deterministic sources of loot
potent raft
your bis list in terms of azerite gear yes
modest jasper
I do indeed use a BiS list for my tank.
winter moss
ilvl upgrade is the bislist for tanks?
modest jasper
But obvsly random gigaforges invalidate every item on that lsit
🤷
I mean you can still aim for certain base items from M+
That do have favorable stats.
winter moss
sure
modest jasper
In the end I will obvsly just use ilvl > all
potent raft
lmao, how about a "bis-azerite gear in relation to your other gear" list. makes more sense?
winter moss
time is the changing factor
as time continues to march onward to the inevitable end
your gear changes with it
which makes the sim in the first place
pointless
warped shoal
when raidbots says the phys benthic belt is better for me then the abberations belt does it inlcude the bonus%?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9kB8Wzus8RFhyRkxiyjk64
warped shoal
ok thx
modest jasper
@warped shoal https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bRMSZgewPRv91WPGvJEvMf this is the sim with the aberration dmg taken into consideration.
It's slightly stronger on those bosses.
Weird actually, the 2% seems to sim weirdly.
Ah nah, it sims correctly. Ignore me.
topaz trout
if you're only going to use one belt and dont want to spend time/pearls on rerolls for both, then the physical damage belt is the better choice as you can see the benefit on all fights in EP
thats assuming you dont end up with a socketed aberation belt first
modest jasper
He has a socketed abberation belt eq already as far as I can tell.
I'd probably just keep that, the difference is not that huge. Gamble for and upgrade other slots first and then come back to belt.
🤷
topaz trout
yeah id work on other pieces
just dont save the wrists for last like me
forever stuck without socket
night vale
i mean being able to farm pearls on 3 alts made the process a lot easier for me
night vale
holy sockets batman
scarlet sequoia
no socket on bracers 
night vale
oh yeah i didnt spot that
topaz trout
yeah thats why they stay 415
im too many pearls deep into trying to roll sockets on them
dim sigil
rigid mango
Yeah
sturdy dust
Is BOTE still simming higher than Condense Life Force rank 3?
severe bough
For some people
severe bough
For me, Rock sims like, 230 dps more iirc, which is an upgrade but
it's not like the end of the world
i honestly dont like lucid major for assasination
too many chances to overcap
sturdy dust
I'll finally be getting rank 3 of both this week, so will run plenty of sims
Yeah I don't like Lucid Major. I want to run 25% haste or so, instead of 18-20
rigid mango
CLF is the end game
There's some people who still sim higher with blood, but they're rare
winter moss
lady gaga what did i tell you bout the lucid major usage
severe bough
Not really
rigid mango
severe bough
I was using rank 3 for like, a week though
winter moss
it hard to not overcapping in lucid major
which is okay
bc the minor can still procc
severe bough
Yes
in fairness i havent simmed lucid major in a while, mostly because it feels bad overcapping energy
im getting rock basically right after reset
winter moss
want me to sim? 
severe bough
Oh, im also considering trialing for a guild who's also on Ashvane but it's consistently top 500
Sure
one second
i got some new toys
like a 450 belt
severe bough
which sims decently high
gz
supposedly a 425 benthic with the damage proc is just better by 175 dps or something, cant recall
thing that im trying to roll for but no luck
i do have the aberration belt
winter moss
benthic with their base passive and socket are almost unbeatable
in nazjatar or eternal palace
outside of that id rather stick to the 450 belt
winter moss
^
rigid mango
What're you looking for
winter moss
@severe bough https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x33FS3CNh4Kw1Cj1V7pmBuyou can check yourself
severe bough
i dont have premium
winter moss
just simming enchants and gems for raid
already at 11 ml
you gotta up those benthics tho
severe bough
rip
rigid mango
I only have the 4 mil iteration
severe bough
Yeah i know
severe bough
yay, finally learnt how to use github
this is the whole code in case something's borked
leaden garden
hey I just came back to my asa rogue and did a sim...it's telling me to enchant OH with crit rather than haste for st (force multiplier mh), and mastery on rings, is this common? thought haste was king for st?
rigid mango
Sims differ a lot.
severe bough
D:
faint harness
D:
frozen karma
iron heath
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
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sullen sphinx
When you gamble on the azerite pieces with residium, is there a pool of pieces you’re gambling within or is it completely random
frozen karma
The 6 dungeon azerite pieces of that category
dusky tinsel
you can see what pieces by just scrolling through the vendors specifics
unborn silo
if i play Supterfuge in Raid do i need to combine the next Vendetta´s + Vanish´s after the opener and sit on a Vendetta until Vanish is again rdy?
dusky tinsel
that's the pool you'll have for the random
sullen sphinx
Ok thanks
rigid mango
@unborn silo yes
mental plover
when running master assassin do i instantly use toxic blade after i vendetta and vanish or do i wanna wait a few sec
sounds wierd to go a talent for u too just get out of it right away if someone knows what i mean
royal lantern
you go vendetta>tb>vanish>etc.....
unkempt seal
Do you have/use bote r3?
mental plover
dont have it yet
rigid mango
What the guide says is correct, yeah
unkempt seal
@mental plover I think Tryan referred to this pin about master Assassin+ bote usage
rigid mango
No
He talked about another way of generally doing the opener
there are a lot of variations for the opener, all within minor gain of one another
with a drawback one way or another
The one in the guide is the most consistant one.
dusky tinsel
TB after vanish with MA gives you almost always the +2CP from TB
mental plover
ohh okay thanks
rigid mango
I'd recommend using the one in the guide
royal lantern
yeha, sorry, the guide says vanish>tb, but some people, including me do tb>vanish, wich is a bit more risky
mental plover
been playing with Subterfuge all exp so wanna know how to best use masterassassin
rigid mango
Do it.
severe bough
@winter moss 
Yay, ty
well i guess wait an hour for reset and go rock for raid
i'll keep using blood for litterally everything else though
D:
rank 4 is so shiny
winter moss
@severe bough i like how the sim report says lady gaga :)
severe bough
rofl
worn crag
Uff need to get BoE first :D
idle ember
have logs?
raw fox
Damn, that really accounts for 10k dps?
Those essences seem to really be the... essence of DPS.
raw fox
I just got back like 2 days ago.
rigid mango
Yeah, that will account for a lot of dps
raw fox
Raiding for the first time today. But I'll see how things go today.
tropic ocean
CRIMSON TEMPEST VIABLE
royal lantern
what
tropic ocean
rigid mango
pls no
strange python
I think it might be because of sanguine? Mobs probably move too much for PB
rigid mango
Probably just mix of that and the fact that it's a fortified freehold
deft magnet
rigid mango
That build is max pad
cobalt pelican
i woulda thunked even if you weren't going to get pb damage at all hb would be more damage than ct considering fok>ct especially with 3eb
must be something like mobs not always being in fok range or smth
or some NEW MATHEMATICS
on the bleeding edge of addition and subtraction
faint harness
"max pad", just a few weeks ago it was a waste of GCD (even if you go for max pad) 🙂
tropic ocean
I think its just good for sanguine
as the dot ticks even when stuff is not in range to get hit by fok
rigid mango
I'd be interested in seeing if he'd run that during normal weeks.
cobalt pelican
or maybe he's trying it out with iris cause
yo ucan't fok while you're irising
or some shit
idk
seems weird either way
tropic ocean
I mean it increases ep uptime while doing dmg
it should still be dps loss compared to spending the same gcd on 3eb fok if everything hits
the reason I can see is that the mobs are very spread some times
raw fox
so when am i aiming to use lucid dreams?
rigid mango
pins
lucid bolt
anyone got any advice on how i can get more dps ? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uuhP3QaGYg8La7rVfSfMyq
cobalt pelican
get better items
lucid bolt
haha
faint harness
418 ilvl
rigid mango
your gear is obv bad
solid nova
Everything in that can be better
And you've upgraded benthic without sockets
Which is a loss
rigid mango
There's VERY obvious improvements in like, every slot
solid nova
Weapons are bad
lucid bolt
dang
raw fox
Got it thanks
solid nova
Barely any sockets
lucid bolt
so i should just roll for benthics with sockets
solid nova
Yes
lucid bolt
thank you
faint harness
your sim should even be less cus its padded with undulating tides
tropic ocean
it has a bad uptime in a raid where you frequently drop <50% hp
lucid bolt
ohhh good point!
tropic ocean
for normal heroic it can be very good
lucid bolt
okay thanks guys ill try to get different shoulders
tropic ocean
for mythic its nah
lucid bolt
cant wait to get home from work and open the mythic chest
cobalt pelican
same
rigid mango
(: same
final gazelle
I have been asking for advice for helping with my DPS and one pointer I have been given is to use poison knife instead of mutilate when I am on four combo points
is this what everyone else would advise?
final gazelle
ok, that is what I have been doing
rigid mango
Do you have any logs that you can link
final gazelle
sure
rigid mango
That's probably the easiest way for you to get help
steel summit
Stop asking whoever is giving you that advice @final gazelle
final gazelle
that is a normal Queen Azshara kill
i have a short video of that fight too - before my CPU overheated and I had to stop recording
part of what I am thinking my problem is
i don't have the mechanics of the fight down
rigid mango
First of all, you missed the first 10 seconds of the fight
final gazelle
quite well enough
gray citrus
oh are we critiquing people! DO MEEEE https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YDQTw2HyhGqX8JCv/#fight=38&type=damage-done
pick from any of those
i want all the opinions
tropic ocean
which rogue are you anodyne
final gazelle
ok, shouldn't I pool energy before casting TB?
final gazelle
@solid nova my computer was puking during that part of the fight
gray citrus
ez
solid nova
86 seconds to 120 you're just not doing anything
final gazelle
come to think of it
this is likely a bad log to link
for that reason
let me pull a different fight's logs
final gazelle
gray citrus
can always value others opinions
final gazelle
there is normal Za'qul
gray citrus
hence DISCUSSIOON
final gazelle
probably better
rigid mango
Probably wouldn't use fok on bubbls
tropic ocean
🤷
tropic ocean
for sure
tropic ocean
its overall less dps but u can put more dps to shield/burn
gray citrus
yeah i was super confused
solid nova
Blasphemy
royal lantern
i always do a cheap rupture and 1 fok, then back too ashvane
mossy ferry
do you guys CD on pull or first vuln?
gray citrus
for ashvane on pull
but it depends on what ur raid leader says to do also i guess
mine wants some of our guys to hold 3 minutes according to w/e logs they looked at
rough agate
Same
gray citrus
ye
rigid mango
The diff between any orange and r1 log is normally just raid shit
that was out of your hands
a couple more crits, one shite rng shit, kill timers
upbeat geode
ur daggers are shit
also you might want to get better essences, rank3 is a must for good dps
gray citrus
ye u rite zine
rigid mango
Can people just like
not ask this question
over and over again
get better gear
essences
gray citrus
lol literally @ me
rigid mango
nono not you
gray citrus
i was there 2 weeks ago tho
then i found benthic gear and sockets
AND THEN I WAS LIKE OOOH
hollow junco
@chrome mirage azerite pieces are meh, generally few sockets on gear, no raid trinket (ashvane/font/inkpod all stronk). you're also using a mythic+ essence for a patchwerk raid sim.
lots of small upgrade opportunities for basically everything you're wearing
chrome mirage
ty
lament dove
yeah when you spend like 150+ pearl on a piece and still no good benthic you're starting to realize maybe this game is not for you anymore...
solid nova
150 pearls is literally nothing
lament dove
it's a lot if you're a casual who doesn't play all day
solid nova
When you can take 50-100 a day
rigid mango
^
lament dove
yeah, that's why I'm saying this "casual" game is not for me anymore i guess
tropic ocean
rookie numbers
ripe nimbus
I've completed the 1000 pearl achievement twice 
rigid mango
I mean if you're a casual
urban junco
XD
solid nova
I work 50 hours a week and manage it just fine
tropic ocean
wdym game is not casual
urban junco
solid nova
It depends on what you do
rigid mango
hollow junco
I feel like I read somewhere that the odds of rolling a socket on a drop are like 12.5%, but i can't find a source to back that up
solid nova
Like its best in slot tier gear for from a WQ vendor
Dont think it matters if it took me 1k per piece
tropic ocean
150 pearls
marble elm
If you don’t have all the benthic pieces by now you couldn’t have been trying that hard
tropic ocean
i have 14 chars and all of them are hitting 1k pearls achievement on thursday/friday
lol
vital haven
how
tropic ocean
@marble elm bla bla
vital haven
is that even possible
tropic ocean
wdym is that even possible
urban junco
Lol
vital haven
how are yuo even asking me taht question
you said you have 14 chars and all of them are gonna get the 1k pearl achievement
vital haven
so you are telling me in total you have gotten 14k pearls
tropic ocean
around y
upbeat geode
did you get ur boots?
tropic ocean
I didnt use all
on main tho
2 alts have boots wrists
but yeah its really rng
I have people in guild that used well over 200 token on 1 slot
vital haven
only one that took me a while was the wrists
eveything else i got relatively quickly
marble elm
I’m pretty sure the average is close to like 100-200 per
final gazelle
as far as rotation goes, should I use envenom on less than 4 CP's to keep elaborate planning up?
tropic ocean
@final gazelle no
vital haven
well depends on the piece @marble elm
tropic ocean
@marble elm can be yeah
vital haven
waist is really easy
tropic ocean
gloves seems hardest for me
vital haven
at least compared to others
tropic ocean
or at least its the slot I spent most token on so far
vital haven
wrists realistically should be the hardest one
tropic ocean
wrist took me not that much
belt>wrist>boots>gloves so far from least to most needed so far
vital haven
ye at the end of the day it's all luck
hollow junco
bracers were a nightmare, i ended up settling for puffer bracers and moving on to other pieces
i'll come back for ori's
shy axle
if using CT, do you spamm it with enough rup active to sustain energy or just refresh the dot and focus down highhp mobs with env
marble elm
Being that unlucky is so insanely rare
tropic ocean
no
you spam fok if u have eb traits
and just use 1 ct whenever its about to fall off
hollow junco
the existence of EB more or less invalidates CT at current tuning
shy axle
seen it gotten used by seli iirc. I don`t use it, just wanted to gather info
hollow junco
i'm sure you can come up with or find a niche scenario where this isn't true, but that'd be uncommon
vital haven
seli hasnt used it in a while
rigid mango
I'll just say this, not as a meta changer or anything
Seli used it just now
in a 20 FH
vital haven
holy shit
rigid mango
But most likely on the basis of it being a fortified fh key, with sanguine
vital haven
imma ask him
rigid mango
And sanguine lower sthe value of PB
a fair bit
Thanks to how the two play against one another
wet ruin
what is ct?
solid nova
Crimson Tempest
wet ruin
ah, lol
solid nova
🚤
vagrant tapir
MA opener?
rigid mango
Is that even a question?
vagrant tapir
What is the MA opener
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
rigid mango
like most other stuff (:
vagrant tapir
hasnt been an MA opener in there for a while
shy axle
at least since january
vagrant tapir
Oh no
mystic vault
isn't that wrong tho?
mystic vault
what about toxic blade vanish envenom mut envenom?
thought that was superior as well
edgy ginkgo
My sim is saying this
vestal wren
^
vestal wren
run a quick sim
rigid mango
Yes.
worn magnet
Is that on raid boys?
rigid mango
yes, that's the raid opener
edgy ginkgo
Its on raidbots, yes
marble elm
Try changing potion to unbridled fury
worn magnet
Thank you
rigid mango
That too
rigid mango
Why would you use it with vend
edgy ginkgo
In youre using lucid with vendetta you are overcapping your energy too Hard
rigid mango
When you're already energy capped
rugged panther
@honest heath Epic BGs gives you a quest that provides 1000/1500 honor , if you return it while in a bg it counts for the achievement
honest heath
thanks! I'm guessing that's like a weekly quest? @rugged panther
rugged panther
yup
timber meadow
which azerite slot is typically best to gamble for first
shy dust
Use droptimizer
timber meadow
oh nice didn't realize it had that functionality
sullen sphinx
Any big juicy ones in any mythic plus caches today ?
urban junco
yeah that's pretty pog
timber meadow
ye it's the loop of pulsing veins
near python
not having 2x 445 socketed rings yet, yikes
novel seal
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
novel seal
worldvein really worth as minor?
bronze kelp
Just farm dice and spyglass
urban junco
Just farm it 😃
woeful minnow
4Head
urban junco
Fix your mog
severe bough
Tru
rotund pivot
Isn’t that a lot of haste?
rotund pivot
Ah
rigid mango
Benthic legs 
severe bough
they have a socket, okay
woeful minnow
and no gem in the socket
proper wing
Lads, how do I use Ashvane trinket on multitarget? 🤔 Like, what's it's prio?
limber canopy
What kind of multi target?
proper wing
Let's say a trashpack in m+, soz for not specifying
limber canopy
If dungeons, I personally just equip another trinket lol
rotund pivot
Yeah too hard to keep going
Mobs die too fast
Someone mentioned putting it in all your attack macros
proper wing
Idk, the sims on it ain't too bad and I've seen Seliathan using it in m+ too. That might be just the fact he has 455 tho
atomic crystal
Hey guys. Just got my socketed Crit benthic boots should I upgrade with pearls or go for more bis raiding benthic slots?
dusk onyx
How do you guys start with bote rank3 major? MA build
Atm im running mut, garrote, rupture, muti, vendetta, bote, vanish, TB, envenom,....
lucid bolt
how to farm spyglass or dice?
dusk onyx
Ah ty
lucid bolt
im pretty new to mythics
pulsar hollow
Run the m+ they come from over and over
lucid bolt
i can do it more than once in a day ?
pulsar hollow
M+ yes
pulsar hollow
Don't have to but you should.
lean coral
lucid bolt
thanks sbaak!
lucid bolt
awesome
ember rover
I would say farm Siege, as you also have a chance of getting 2 really good rings from there.
willow wasp
for keys, 1 shrouded 3 echos or 2 / 2
urban junco
Depends on the week
willow wasp
not fort*
shy axle
2/2/2 is always a safe bet. If it is not fort I would not take 3 EB
lucid bolt
aight siege of boralus it is, ill try to find the time some time this week, apparently my gear is all fucked up 😦
like i didnt know undulating tides was bad on the sim it scored well
hollow junco
sim is actually correct assuming you never take damage
it's just that undulating tides' damage effect cannot occur for 45 seconds after you're brought below 50% health
lucid bolt
what level of key should i do Adrian ?
yeah infenso and i think i take a lot of damage 😦
woeful minnow
depends on your ilvl and your personal experience with m+
lucid bolt
i'm 418 ilvl
vagrant tapir
How do you guys open on Court?
woeful minnow
ideally you want at least +10 but if you're a beginner with m+ mechanics you probably shouldn't start there
lucid bolt
this week i only did one 10
quiet forge
How would you guys use Lucid Dream essence? I feel like its an overkill with Vendetta, energy capped
willow wasp
then dont use it together silly
lucid bolt
close to the end
quiet forge
makes sense thanks guys
gray citrus
what would be a bigger upgrade, a third overwhelming power at 445 or 10 ilvls, and 2 overwhelming powers 🤔
basically 430 430 445, 3 OP or 445 445 430 2 OP
woeful minnow
my gut feeling tells me 10 ilvl but... sim?
winter moss
@severe bough id reconsider some gear choices but overall not bad, not meta build but you will get there sooner or later
severe bough
Yeah, im pugging normal for rock r3, i know i need to grab it before raid
strange python
Which benthic piece is greatest upgrade (assuming all shit gear)
gray citrus
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dv97SKBpDb5Mm57DPSA3ZW for anyone wondering
theyre 1 dps apart.
._______________.
woeful minnow
lmao
quiet forge
Why crimson tempest tho?
quiet forge
😃
strange python
do you go for combo point 5, to use rupture or envenom when you already have 4
gray citrus
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h4GcbmXZn2ye5Tmo7Qvo41 ilvl wins by a better amount
strange python
and when do you usually use blood of the enemy? like in the opener or in a normal rotation?
gray citrus
i have a log u can look at
royal lantern
and use blood togheter with vendetta/vanish/tb
strange python
thank you both
hardy mural
from 8.2 live until todayy still can't get socketed ori bracer 
light kestrel
Which azerite piece do you think I should go for? I have the helm from BoD on mythic, gorak tul's @ 420 and spymasters wrap at 420
hardy mural
^ Shoulder if ur raiding mythic first 3 bosses
light kestrel
Probably just the first for now, I was thinking shoulders, here's to that gorak tul rng
royal lantern
first boss drops a good head, so yeha, go shoulders or chest
plain wraith
Any reason why RaidBots is yelling at me to get Mastery gear?
light kestrel
Went with shoulders, got rekt. I got the mantle of fastidious machinations
vagrant tapir
how do you sim potions?
severe bough
there's a menu on raidbots
to swap potions or food
i usually swap food because mainstat food is yikes
halcyon badger
guys
traits on ravenholdt and traits on bloodmallet are VERY different
which one should I be looking at ?
rigid mango
In what context
blissful tide
You should look at sims, but blood mallet or herodamage
light kestrel
Looks like they're the same, aside from HD valuing UT over DD
halcyon badger
Well I stopped playing after I got my hota in S1 and came back 3-4 days ago. Now I am gearing up and I have choices between gear so I am looking at raven assa guide vs bloodmallet traits
and they are different in what they are telling me
I assume bloodmallet should be "more correct" since it just shows dmg ?
I can't sim in advance when I am changing a 380 armor with 415
fresh notch
Bloodmallet is more accurate than ravenholdt right now
rigid mango
With bbi, loyal etc
keen spruce
tradewinds + MA outsimming SS + sub? 
rigid mango
Bloodmallet's sims are very off
timber meadow
visions procs NP yeah?
rigid mango
Don't use vision, but yes
keen spruce
yes but don't use VP
timber meadow
lol word
halcyon badger
so I should be aiming for Double Dose and stack it, over Nothing personal and stack it, over what else ?
keen spruce
DD+NP unless you have your raid running loyal to the end
rigid mango
You should be aiming for as many DD as possible, and a minimum of 1 NP
keen spruce
then get that
rigid mango
Sims dictate.
halcyon badger
no idea what "loyal to the end is"
keen spruce
it's the raid trait
rigid mango
Raid trait.
modest violet
Yay, got goral Tuls for my first 445 roll
keen spruce
preferrably both, they're pretty close
keen spruce
timber meadow
may the luck of the residuum be with you in your quest for dd
keen spruce
There are a lot of decent traits
halcyon badger
@rigid mango I cna't sim gear I don't have
keen spruce
twist the knife is pretty okay
timber meadow
gear compare?
rigid mango
You literally can.
granite dust
yes you can
halcyon badger
How ?
granite dust
lmfao
rigid mango
Gear compare
keen spruce
Droptimizer
rigid mango
On raidbots
keen spruce
or gear compare
rigid mango
That too
granite dust
thats like the entire point of raidbots
keen spruce
have there been any blue posts about font of power breaker MA stealth?
halcyon badger
So I can choose my quest reward ?
keen spruce
I want it fixed 
rigid mango
Quest rewards 
keen spruce
breaking&
halcyon badger
yeah, the pvp quest gave me 5 different heads to choose from, what's the problem
rigid mango
At what ilvl
halcyon badger
read up, I just said it
royal lantern
they will not fix it, its a ''feature'' like all the stuff that works with subterfuge, but doesnt work with MA 🤷
keen spruce
big ree
halcyon badger
anyway, I got my answer, thanks a lot guys ❤
restive smelt
How’s cephaloid rank for chest? Seems good
rigid mango
BiS.
It's either cepha or blackwater, don't know yet because I've not seen enough sims with minmaxed gear
royal lantern
goraktuls>cephalo>you can do a smol party
restive smelt
timber meadow
does it ocunt if i have 420 ceph/gorak/righteous resolve
timber meadow
royal lantern
just get a socket, ez
distant lava
on azerite ? 
vital haven
cepha was simming higher for me even with blackwater chest with 4 loyal to the endsd
royal lantern
just crit more 
distant lava
aww poor zine with a 430 bis helm
rigid mango
wdym I have 445 first boss helm
distant lava
I got gorak tul's 445 
rigid mango
Zaq helm is a dps loss for me now at 435 
keen spruce
everyone getting gorak's
rigid mango
Only the shit players, trust.
rigid mango
Who needs NP tbh.
rigid mango
Meh mine's giga scuffed
vital haven
I WANT MY ENERGY REGEN
distant lava
3 dd 2 np 1 bbi
vital haven
unironically using loyal LUL
rigid mango
rigid mango
Yeah man unironically using BiS trait
rigid mango
Yeah lol dude 
distant lava
vital haven
how many ppl have it in the guild?
distant lava
yikes
keen spruce
like everyone
rigid mango
Enough to make it work
keen spruce
I making them all use it 
distant lava
for me with 2 people it's an upgrade
modest violet
I have 1 ttk 1 bbi 1 NP and 3 DD
rigid mango
do you think I just use it because of nothing or what
granite dust
look at his face 
keen spruce
so gambling on a hat
there's only like 2 good ones
should I just save for a specific piece
vital haven
no one in my guild uses it yet
rigid mango
or 2 dd 1 ttk np bbi loyal 3 op
keen spruce
and sit on my 435
vital haven
so its worthless to me
vital haven
just go engi shmeeps
vital haven
dont even have to roll on a helmet after that
timber meadow
first boss helm is still very good even if it doesn't have overwhelming
it's a poor man's ceph
rigid mango
I'm genuinly waiting with my residuum now I think
distant lava
I should do that
keen spruce
once i decide on my hat situation
rigid mango
just another 8 weeks of m+ 
distant lava
I need one for outlaw too
keen spruce
i'll probably save for a gorak
vital haven
i mean
vital haven
you get a roll every 2 weeks
keen spruce
feels 2000 guild man
distant lava
yeah you get a roll every 2 weeks if you're decent at m+
distant lava
100% is not always better
do you want bis when tier is done
or do you want a good enough upgrade during progress
keen spruce
big facts
vital haven
id rather roll honestly
vital haven
9 or 10 weeks i wanna be saving up again
distant lava
anyways I play outlaw man not rolling is a pussy move
ripe nimbus
Wrong channel
distant lava
you're yellow tho
vital haven
idk how to change the color
also too lazy
havent played outlaw in raids in forever
timber meadow
shoujld i use 1 nothing personal or 1 blightborne for M+ (assuming i have to pick between the two)
cobalt flame
guys is there any way to get 425 benthic item strings ? For the ones i dont have ofc
keen spruce
blightborn actually sims pretty dern high ST too
there is a way
but i don't remember it
I think if you use gear compare
timber meadow
oh ye blightbonre is god tier for ST i just haven't done much M+ so didn't know if that changed
keen spruce
you can pull it from the output
strange python
Is Memory of lucid dreams rank 3 big dps difference? I'm not sure if I wanna farm those trees to gather bodyguard reps
lucid bolt
strange python
6000 rep :'( ugh I hate that kind of grinding
frigid briar
rank 2 isnt big, rank 3 is a big jump though
strange python
also need 50K honor from bgs too
vital haven
gotta get to grinding son
sour wasp
so atm triple DD+ MA sims a wee bit lower than ss+ sub for me, isn't it always a clear winner? or i guess stuff changes when i get clf or bote?
granite dust
its not even a grind its like 10 minutes per day
lucid bolt
feels like forever though
strange python
for only 3 dailies yeah, but you can get much more exp with hidden chest/trees/rares
lucid bolt
i like the rune quests thats about it everything else can go suck a dick
vital haven
well the honor grind
keen spruce
I still cannot be fucked to farm honor for BotE
lucid bolt
rune and ley line quests are the only fun things in nazjatar
strange python
I'm at 17K honor lol
sour wasp
yeah i enjoy ley lines
strange python
and that was just by farming the brawl
strange python
once its gone, its going to be a real pain
tall snow
Hey guys, how are you? I just got the ashvane trinket. Are you using it with a macro? I looks to me that it would be ez to use it on a macro with a main skill.
keen spruce
lucid bolt
i feel like there arent enough emissaries for Nazjatar and never even seen one for mechagon
sour wasp
@tall snow macro'd it to vendetta
keen spruce
@tall snow just macro it to vendetta
strange python
well there are no wq's for mechagon to have emissaries
keen spruce
#showtooltip Vendetta
/Use 13
/Cast Vendetta
lucid bolt
oh word
lost sentinel
you need to reapply though
keen spruce
put ashvane in 13
lucid bolt
well seriously though need more nazjtar emissaries
vital haven
you guys ever do the defense quest in nazjatar