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#assassination
cobalt pelican
winter moss
3/8 is gutter tier raid progression for sin
solid nova
You're also vanishing 4 seconds into your opener
rigid mango
Yeah honestly
winter moss
8/8m or you are trash
solid nova
Not sure about that one
upbeat bridge
Not even world first lol git gud
rigid mango
3/8 prog plebian here 
onyx hedge
@solid nova ever heard of MA?
winter moss
onyx hedge
I think this just a bad time of night, u all fking drunk or something lmao
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
rigid mango
It's day here mate
solid nova
^
rigid mango
we're all gucci here
distant lava
we're drunk 
onyx hedge
Clearly lmao
winter moss
drunk
solid nova
You can take it to another channel now, the spec channels isnt the place for trolling
winter moss
but still better than normal greys
cobalt pelican
tbh though even if you somehow weaseled your way into a raiding guild you'd probably spontaneously explode if this is the reaction to light criticism
fiery sage
is it worth gambling for a 440 piece?
cobalt pelican
like, 445?
solid nova
Definitely
fiery sage
445 yeah
cobalt pelican
o yea that's what everyone on the planet does
except those freaks who wait 6 weeks
spice frost
i gambled a chest, it paid off. np/ttk
onyx hedge
wow is a lottery
cold patio
Should gamble for chest or? : ^^
rigid mango
logs aren't mate
cold patio
summer marten
my luck will get me blighted tribe... yet again, probably
onyx hedge
got it first try
cobalt pelican
i woke up to a 440 holed cape a 435 holed ring from the pvp box and a 445 ceph
upbeat bridge
What makes Master Assassin good compared to Subterfuge? Can the bleeds crit or is it more for Mutilates and Envenoms?
fiery sage
so whtas worth going for chest or shoulders
steady grotto
Good day 4 u @cobalt pelican :o
cobalt pelican
very
onyx hedge
bracers from pvp and M+ box when i have bis Benthic peice Pepehands
cobalt pelican
bleeds can crit but they're not really significant
it's just guaranteed (or close to) crits inside your vendetta for big bubble bose and envenom
fiery sage
okey need help gambling chest or shoulders D:
cobalt pelican
depends what you have
cobalt pelican
generally it's safer to roll chest but
some of the good simming chests are not things i would like to play with
cobalt pelican
and once you rule those out you're basically d own to 2/6 on both
summer marten
shoulders are 1 jackpot and 1 decent, but chest has less of a "peak", but better chance of good, for me at least
upbeat bridge
So MA is just more burst?
winter moss
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
winter moss
and i recommed reading the talents carefully
cobalt pelican
it's like.. more burst.. but it's just more damag eoverall
in a single target environment subterfuge ads x damage to your garrote
ma ads x (crit multiplier damage) to 3 spells
winter moss
MA provides a 50%crit buff for 3 seconds where subterfuge allows you to use abilites from stealth for 3 seconds
cobalt pelican
that damage > garrote damage, for the most part
so it's more up front but more overall
winter moss
comes in handy when playing SS traits for m+
marble tartan
Hey guys do you use the azshara trinket before pull or like the sim tells you after 1.56min
cobalt pelican
if you can apply that thiqy garrote to more things then the story changes but
oh man
i'm GOING places
winter moss
@marble tartan 5secs before pull
winter moss
rigid mango
upbeat bridge
Okay. I just thought the extra damage on full garrotes would add up to more damage than crits for 3s so I wasn't sure when MA would be good. Thanks
dark crag
Don't think, sim
distant lava
the max you can get is 11 tho
onyx hedge
harcore jebaited
cobalt pelican
since santa clause brought me
onyx hedge
im to lazy to keep count
cobalt pelican
lots of goodies
onyx hedge
i just say arond 15
undone moon
Are you going BoTE for unitarget as major and Lucid Dreams on minor?
safe bay
Guys and Girls, I am a tad confused.
Im reading two different stories from different sources.
First. MA, high crit, Blood major essence with lcid minor, crit pot and its all about burst windows.
Second. Sub, High Haste, lucid major, focus energy minor, random dmage pot and having a smooth output.
Our RL who has a rogue alt is adamant on the second and my sims back him up to an extent, but im seeing the logs being the former. I also find a lucid based spec means i over cap energy loads on progression (progression = 1st boss mythic) . Input?
cobalt gyro
Well crit pot in general sucks
distant lava
if you don'thave blood rank 3 I'm guessing you go second one
I don't see why you wouldn't pick it if you can tho
safe bay
I currently have blood rank 1 and lucid 2
cobalt gyro
And yeah, the blood build is only going to be worth it if you have rank 3
dark crag
Sub build only works/is required if you have ss traits
cosmic pier
how exactly does the tradewinds trait work when it jumps? does it pick the nearest ally?
dark crag
Else you play ma
cobalt gyro
I probably wouldn't run sub without SS traits at all, yeah
And definitely not lucid major, imo
spice frost
im using blood r2 as major rn just cause my gear doesnt support ss build. workin on that r3 but i hate bgs
strange python
I do what the sim gods tell me
dark crag
And essence don't restrict you to one playstyle
spice frost
still sim 40k soz. difference between bote r2 and r3 is like 1k-1.5k sim dps
dark crag
Even ma with lucid major is just a small bit behind blood major
pine prism
!essences
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
cobalt gyro
That will likely change this week with people getting rank 3 guardian
dark crag
If your raidlead is stubborn tell him to join here so we can dispatch him
teal fog
what is best piece to roll for azerite first? assuming all my pieces are 420
dark crag
They are all worthless because noluck
distant lava
for sin most likely chest or shoulders
dark crag
I roll chest
ornate meteor
My sims tell me to use crucible 3 major and lucid 3 minor, do i just use it when its up? For extra dmg button?
cerulean walrus
If you have Engi helm definitely chest or shoulders
ornate meteor
So like use 1 then normal rotation and them when the dot drop use another?
stuck knoll
Yeah
honest heath
is life force not good until rank 3? my iris rank 2 + lucid rank 2 sims higher than my life force rank 1 + lucid rank 2
round harbor
@dark crag subt is only about 70-80dps behind MA builds, without SS
I'm considering it
Due to font of power being able to cast inside of stealth making prepull less fucky
honest heath
Hm...that's interesting. I need to get BotE...need to suck it up and do island expidition -_-||
stable oxide
Did they change that? Cause font does break stealth in raids
misty tusk
Where do you BoTE while playing subt?
quasi pewter
thank god i didnt get blighted tribe again
cobalt pelican
font breaks stealth with ma but not subterfuge
stable oxide
Hmm okay
cobalt pelican
i feel like calling that piece blighted tribe is just to mock ppl who roll it
stable oxide
1 to 2 seconds of font uptime is not the end of the world though
woven summit
I rolled on Hood of the Slithering Loa
damn it
Still sims 1k better than the 420 one so guess it could be worse
honest heath
I feel like I'm simming low for my gear...or maybe it's because I see all these other people a few ilvls higher than me simming for like 35k+. Is it mostly my azerite traits? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7GHS2sS2h9GWv4nBUjLMCt
tropic ocean
U need benthic items
woven summit
ye and try a sim with subterfuge combined with lucid + resonance
tropic ocean
also iris major probably bad for st
summer marten
slithering loa is best residuum helm for me
woven summit
just for scientific purposes
summer marten
so shouldnt be too bad
honest heath
benthic pieces eh? I have some...but Im waiting for socketed ones before I upgrade them
woven summit
yeah only upgrade with socket from what i've heard
I only got the bracers with socket
upgraded them to 425
honest heath
i might get a socket on one piece...by next patch lol
low junco
anyone else who has coral which sims worse than any other trinkets
honest heath
did that on 3 alts...nada...still grinding though slowly
low junco
i think i am actually ufcking my gearcompare somehow
summer marten
probably, it sims crazy good for me
low junco
for example
i gearcompare my current gear (410 lurker and 435 spyglass)
and it sims -400 if i use 430 coral instead of spyglass
before stealth
stable oxide
Font > Stealth > pre-pot > pull
blazing pumice
!essences
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
ember rover
@low junco try putting coral in Slot 1.
If you have it in slot 2, you have 2 active trinkets, which is not so great.
cold rampart
guys
low junco
wait isnt this trinket supposed to be used when it has certain amount of stacks? i mean i feel like i can use it with my lurker @ember rover
cold rampart
why MA decrease my damage by 1k?
winter moss
sim?
cold rampart
yep
winter moss
or something to look at?!
low junco
can u post the sim yeah
cold rampart
i simmed it
winter moss
comes into spec channel
why does talent a sim 1k less
no evidence
cold rampart
1 @gusty kestrel
winter moss
winter moss
you cant provide any form of useful information but it's everyone else's fault?
cobalt pelican
you have shrouded suffocation on your chest
low junco
use loyal to the end on chest instead
low lodge
Hey guys, do you use a different potion for different amount of targets, or is it okay to use one of them?
low junco
@low lodge i use unbridled fury for everything
low lodge
On the Ravenholdt website it says to use 3 different potions depending on the amount of targets
It'd just be easier to keybind one if it didn't matter that much
marble elm
If you only wanna bind 1 just use unbridled fury
cobalt pelican
@cold rampart https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dpBwYCEitUJCGRThx6ApPk swapping out shrouded,pls note this assumes 4x loyal in your raid
unbridled is pretty much a fine potion in any situation you get 1 minute out of it, if you start getting into big m+ consider changing then but bleh
low lodge
What about Focused Resolve?
cobalt pelican
do not touch
marble elm
Nerfed not good
stable yarrow
so many pots to useee
low lodge
I can easily manage to different ones I guess
two different*
But 3 would be a bit more difficult with key bindings
strong folio
any reason why blood of the enemy is always simming for me like 1k less dps when im positive its very close on my best options?
winter moss
strong folio
is the sim just using it on cd?
cobalt pelican
no
the other options are just better or worldvein
disregard the worldvein sims (unless you know you can't) clf is better than blood for the majority of players
marble elm
Life force and world vein are devil essences!!!!
cobalt pelican
(i am not one of those players somehow idk what happened)
marble elm
winter moss
^
stable yarrow
think BotE is less value with subterfuge @strong folio
distant lava
Blood is bae
winter moss
go chill in your djakuzzi @distant lava
cobalt pelican
clf being 1k~ upgrade is about right from what i've seen from lots of ppl
for me it's 12dps
and i'm too tsupid to know why
strong folio
this sims drive me insane
mossy ferry
I can't get CLF to outsim Lucid for me. It's about a 500 dps diff no matter what I tweak.
strong folio
1.4k haste
winter moss
still spec channel max
winter moss
stable yarrow
subter simming higher for me with no ss 
winter moss
show sim
cobalt pelican
once you drop blood i think it's par for the course if the t24 profile is to be trusted
winter moss
wdym subter is simming higher
stable yarrow
3rd one downn
stable yarrow
stable yarrow
yeha
winter moss
subter doesnt necessarily require SS traits
devout schooner
Hey Guys, what benthic gear should I aim for as a assa in raid? Stat prio is on haste/mastery (4,26/4,25), but vers/crit is close behind (4,19/4,14)
tall narwhal
winter moss
change on haste crit ring to mastery crit ring and your stats will shift also
ripe bramble
Has anyone hit 45k yet? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4TMje11f9CJJyzipJqhGY9
glossy ocean
is the "if you hit an enemy from behind" and "Then you deal xx dmg to a nearby enemy" simming correctly? meaning is it really that shit
stable yarrow
no trinkets
devout bone
everything I have read says until you get the raid essence, that lucid is the best major. However, most the top parsers are using blood of the enemy. Can anyone help me understand that?
glossy ocean
depends on what you sim the highest with
winter moss
nothing else to add
dont take top logs as 100% true comparison
they all have bote r3
stable oxide
I have the feeling that warcraftlogs is more reliable than a simulation
winter moss
i guess you do not
devout bone
yeah i know, conceptualy trying to understand the implementation
glossy ocean
your feeling is wrong
winter moss
i wouldnt say that either
stable oxide
In my experience, I rather look at warcraftlogs than sims
Sims are in a perfect world with 100% uptime
glossy ocean
I mean, what you sim the highest with is gonna be the essences you should use. Not much else to say. But yes if you have the right gear and essences then blood of the enemy is better
strong folio
can som1 confirm me that sims dont use blood of enemy on cd or something? idk how to check
last seal
hey guys, my statsim shows that crit and haste (i only have 13% haste) are more valuable than mastery but if i sim haste/crit gems it shows me i shouldnt change them. am i doing anything wrong here? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fg8mdf7q4q9zW5X2djtaCq
stable yarrow
xD
severe bough
13% haste is sad times
devout bone
Sims- "In theory" vs. Logs - "In Practice". Thanks everyone!
severe bough
Are you using lucid major.
stable oxide
^
severe bough
??
last seal
@severe bough yes
severe bough
I have 27%
Ohh then it makes sense
Swapping to blood rank 3 made me swap everything to haste
winter moss
wdym sad times
severe bough
I have 833 crit 1700 haste 1100 mastery
winter moss
it's just legion sin again
severe bough
I mean with lucid it makes sense
winter moss
cmon lady gaga
shell lodge
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wGk7i8UvevMCPYzLwYuU4e if u were me, which piece of azerite gear would u try to replace first with REsidium gamble ?
stuck knoll
@shell lodge try droptimiser
winter moss
you actually have r4
severe bough
Yes
winter moss
do you work
shell lodge
oh it acctually works with residium ?
winter moss
or study
severe bough
Not right now, ill start on 2 weeks
stuck knoll
Yeah it works with dungeon pieces too
winter moss
friends 
winter moss
i mean
stable yarrow
r4 bros 
severe bough
If i didnt have someone to queue with i would have left it on r3
minor thicket
what is the red card that everyone is saying dps should gt cyclotronic blast?
Is it that good?
winter moss
havin what 25% mastery?
winter moss
crit is a little low imo
severe bough
Yeah i think it is too
Im gonna ask for a friend to use raidbots premium to sim my gems
winter moss
i mean yeah it could be that you hit the point where quantity > quality
severe bough
I want to gem crit
strong folio
whats the name of the bis benthic belt again?
severe bough
But not sure how much
winter moss
ill just do it for you gaga
severe bough
Yay ty
summer marten
vim's
inner tree
so loyal to the end trait is actually good with enough people having it ?
winter moss
i enabled all gems and enchats
winter moss
do you have 4 allies that use loyal
inner tree
yea it's giga bis for healers
severe bough
I mean im not gonna swap without asking
mossy ferry
It is really good
Esp if you have lower uptimes on the Tides trait on the other chest
inner tree
and orgozoa and za qul not so much
severe bough
If not chest,shoulders
quartz dew
yea go chest, then you can join me in the sadness that is blighted tribe
severe bough
For gorak thuls
mossy ferry
You can do a droptimizer sim against the azerite vendor to see what your best options are
hollow stone
You almost definitely want to roll shoulders and hope for gorak's
winter moss
manto de gorak tul
hollow stone
But i cant speak for you
winter moss
please dear god get mit a seph chest
inner tree
yep i don't have behemot chest but already got za qul and orgozoa shoulders so idk
will try a sim
summer marten
and then you get sanguine monstrosity shoulders and they are even worse than blighted tribe
devout scaffold
what are we doing for weapon enchants in eternal palace?
stable yarrow
ur best stat nav + force
shrewd plover
How the fuck is that ??
cobalt pelican
galecallers suk butt
and it wouldn't be used with vendetta nyway
so it's just like suk butt haste randomly in the middle of nowhere
woven summit
yeah and it's also hell to deal with in a boss mechanic when you need to move around
shrewd plover
so sad for me...for a time i got a good item on chest...
woven summit
I play subterfuge and it says I sim better with no shrouded suffocation lol
but I left one anyway because I'm used to it
summer marten
i recommend!
woven summit
the difference is slim
winter moss
Storm prepares to link a sim
woven summit
that would be mac
solemn meadow
45k yet?
winter moss
raz probably
winter moss
45,348
woven summit
lol I guessed it
woven summit
wow
severe bough
Kek
woven summit
yeah I got puzzled there him simming that high with 427 ilvl
woven summit
what's your trinkets?
winter moss
sockets > rest
winter moss
sim is still running alejandro 
severe bough
Kk 
night vale
Same storms, only got 416 ilvl tho
severe bough
No blood rank 3?
shrewd plover
THe Benthic is so strong on Sim ! you need to have all benthic
woven summit
you sim 37K almost with 416 ilvl?
night vale
Almost 38 I think
severe bough
Ye
woven summit
I got 426
night vale
i got like 10 sockets tho
summer marten
if the right slots are high ilvl
summer marten
no OH, cloak and such, but MH, azerite, trinkets... can do
warm void
Raz doesn’t actually sim that high there’s only 1 person with neck 65 for 3rd essence
woven summit
So Raz is a fraud?
warm void
With the third essence, yes
solemn meadow
yes
woven summit
damn
lucid bolt
wow
idle ember
Sitting here sifting through droptimizer tabs and traits spreadsheets. How do you actually decide what to spend your residuum on? I was burnt 3 times in a row with the worst chest last season from the random box before I saved enough to do a single purchase. Then the Mekka chest dropped the VERY next day.
Really thinking about sitting on the res until further mid tier.
lucid bolt
what does loyal to the end do ?
summer marten
just pray you dont get sanguine monstrosity shoulders
solemn meadow
mastery flat and for each raidmember with it up to 4
you get more mastery
and when s1 dies you get all stats 200
or smth
for 15secs
lucid bolt
right now my main traits are crit and haste i think
summer marten
if you didnt like blighted tribe... those shoulders are even worse
lucid bolt
i mean stats
lucid bolt
my sim is not good at all 😦
im at work so im just doing quicksim
that dude is like the same ilvl but about 10k dps more
feels fucking badman
lucid bolt
yeah
solemn meadow
is that naked
lucid bolt
no lol
rigid sonnet
did I do it?
lucid bolt
its quicksim so it might not be too accurate but still its shit
winter moss
das jebait
idle ember
the benthic azerite shoulders seem really good maxxed out
solemn meadow
but they only go to 430
prisma dagger
is blackwater chest that good? ttk and loyal to the end?
lucid bolt
any advicie on my setup would be greatly appreciated i think my rotation is fine its just my gear optimization sucks
strange python
I have a quick question. How does my DoT (Garrote, Evenom,Rupture) build works with Master Poisoner talent?
summer marten
benthic helm is even better than shoulders, isnt it?
hollow junco
MP buffs envenom and your own poison dmg, but not your bleeds. EP does, which is why it sims better 99% of the time
idle ember
I have engy helm, chest is the weakest point for me assuming 430 benthic shoulders
safe bay
on raidbots how do i change the sim so that it saves blood essence for cd window?
solemn meadow
it should do that?
safe bay
I think it uses it on CD
strange python
hi, just a quick question
Looking at our stat prio I have 1280 crit
750 haste
600 vers
1100 mastery
I should be stacking haste, but raidbots wants me to stack mastery gems. Dhould I just go w what the sim says?
solemn meadow
stack what raidbots says
not what a guide says
theres no stat prio anymore it changes with your gear
sim every item that you get
strange python
cool thx
rigid sonnet
1.6k for me so I'll take it
solemn meadow
what did you have before
rigid sonnet
420 tentacle laced
solemn meadow
ah
rigid sonnet
NP-DD-Gutripper
rigid sonnet
yeah was a long time since I last changed azerite gearstuff
magic thorn
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bqpRx7UCRwB1MeqdZeArXj
Loyal to the end is so strong with 4 ppl
hybrid laurel
wtf, i have 3 benthic pieces (probably not the best ones) but with socket, and my highest is 34.4k lol
421 ilvl
stable yarrow
Iris major 
hybrid laurel
i still dont have blood lvl2 and iris sims better though
tropic ocean
lucid bro
dry thicket
raid essence?
dry thicket
r2 should still be better than iris though, right?
toxic burrow
Ugh... Had a frustrating moment with Heroic Ashvane last night. I DCed mid-fight and my Azerite traits from my chest piece stopped functioning. Checked the log and not a single proc of Undulating Tides went off (for the damage or shield) during or after the fight until I relogged.
Hell, a buddy glitched out too and he still had the unhealable debuff from Blackwater Behemoth during the Ashvane fight.
stone crescent
Cyclotronic trinket really outdpsing lurkers in Sims? :/
stable yarrow
night vale
yeah its very strong, mine outsims my lurkers
stone crescent
Big yuck
hollow junco
consider that if you can't use lurkers in your CD window for any reason it loses a lot of value
...and that newer trinkets are generally going to be a better choice for your cd window (font or good ilvl coral)
lurkers just falls behind. cyclotronic on the other hand has no interaction with our cooldowns at all. the only real requirement is that you fit in as many casts as possible
the sim assumes 3 casts in 5mins
stone crescent
Yeah got ashvane trinket earlier and it just replaced lurkers. Was really under the impression that it would get rid of cycll
tropic ocean
well lurkers and ashvane are both trinkets u want to use during ur vendetta
while cyclo doesnt benefit by vendetta so u can use it to fill ur pooling windows
stone crescent
Yeah that makes sense
cold fossil
while also giving you +300 secondary stats
upbeat geode
lunkers ramps up over 30 sec, so you can use it, then use ven with ash
tropic ocean
it doesn't ramp up at all
hybrid laurel
@stable yarrow thanks! i will try that change
stone crescent
Just to confirm, cause the pins don't really say much on how to use ashvane
Even with hero on pull, do we hold vendetta til we have max stacks of it
toxic burrow
300 secondary? Do you have a crazy titan forged yellow punchcard?
hollow junco
probably a slipup since punchard did used to give that much combined secondary stat before it was nerfed
stone crescent
Wait so even with hero on pull, we just apply the trinket but hold vendetta til we have the max stacks then start holding it for vendetta?
toxic burrow
It used to be that high until they slashed their stats though
hollow junco
gg, if i remember correctly the APL just cycles the vendetta opener normally and doesn't hold anything
but you can run a sim and check, don't take my faulty memory as gospel
upbeat geode
@stone crescent you use vendetta on pull, apply coral on pull, and the consume coral with 2nd vendetta
severe bough
@winter moss how are the sims going btw
upbeat geode
also there is no such thing as waiting for max stacks, max stacks is 100 and you wont get there during a fight
sour wasp
so worldvein minor sims like 1k more dps for me and idk what it even does
sour wasp
is it misleading?
winter moss
can you stand still next to the shards all the time?
woven summit
I noticed the shards always drop
So even if I have to move away from one another will drop
to refresh that one
is that correct?
quasi pewter
winter moss
depends on how many users you have
but still
worldveins isnt really made for melees
quasi pewter
its kinda shit for alot of fights
sour wasp
so the sim assumes you have it constantly?
quasi pewter
good for first boss maybe
winter moss
ill try something
fathom wyvern
when do i use bote essence?
after vendetta pre tb?
so its vendetta -> essence -> tb -> vanish -> evenom
or whats most optimal way
merry zinc
do we still want combinations of ss/eb/ttk depending on the affixes for m+?
severe bough
Nah
Vendetta / tb /essence / vanish /envenom /mut / envenom /mut
Imho
I do giga burst with that sequence
winter moss
ok only thing i can come up with is shifting stats heavily
cold fossil
you do essence Tb
because essence is 10 seconds
and tb is 8 seconds
so the gcd makes them both 8 seconds
cold fossil
and 30% more nature damage might be bigger
severe bough
Okay ill try that
cold fossil
depends if you get the extra crits or not
if you still get the full envenoms out its fine
but if youre running 3 dd
severe bough
I mean i fish for them 🙏
cold fossil
you want more mutilates in your toxic blade
severe bough
Hmm
cold fossil
so even the last 2 to get 4 cp
severe bough
I think i have 2 rn?
cold fossil
as tb runs out'
severe bough
I need gorak thuls
cold fossil
is still big dps
winter moss
simming essences now and then enchants and gems again
winter moss
probably wont change much tho
severe bough
I can get 3 DD but i lose TTK for loyal and OP for unstable
lost tree
is it worth to farm bote with the Brawl? this PvE units are dog shit 
severe bough
It is a slight dps boost if 4 other ppl are using the trait
winter moss
and besides azerites you have so many socket that outsim the others easily
severe bough
@lost tree the play is to grind as alliance or mercfor the alliance
I know
It is great 😍
lost tree
so i guess its better? 😄
serene basin
does the merc thing apply for brawls as well?
cold fossil
yes
serene basin
oof thats big honor
cold fossil
you can do the quest as horde and ally too for 3k honor total
serene basin
hmm
cold fossil
or something
lost tree
its only BG Epic BG PVP island and Brawls
strange python
random 445 token gave me hood of the loa, Fs in chat boys
urban junco
F
stone crescent
@upbeat geode Ty. So how many stacks do we save up? Or just whatever is with the second vend?
sour wasp
@strange python F man
strange python
a 1k m+ dps increase, but shit traits nonetheless 
is it worth running lying in wait this week for grievous?
strange python
is agi even your top stat
cosmic prism
main stat 
spring iron
umm..... yes.......
strange python
i mean like stat weights
spring iron
it's the MAIN stat....
spring iron
+208 Mastery and has a chance to proc 1,991k Agi.
stable yarrow
thats alot of agi
strange python
I need 2 daggers for assa right? i cant play with one dagger in mainhand and a sword in offhand?
cosmic prism
yeah only 2 daggers
stable yarrow
correct
plain wraith
Do the Benthic Crit Boots NEED to have a socket?
strange python
And for outlaw i would need only one sword in MH right ?
ya
@winter moss only if you're min-maxing and doing like mythic raiding.
hybrid laurel
it sucks that honor from arenas doesnt count for bote
toxic burrow
445 shoulder token gave me Pistoleers. Sims like 730dps lower than 420 Gorak Tul.
strange python
@plain wraith
My sims just get messed up when i use 1 sword 1 dagger for outlaw...
spring iron
@strange python go to the OL group.
magic thorn
How good is Bote for assa? I See every top log is made with it but when i sim myself with r3, lucid dreams Major still outsims it
edgy ginkgo
Hey guys, i have all 420 BiS azerites atm, which one should i buy First for random 445?
edgy ginkgo
Lionpaw, you need Bote rank 3
plain wraith
@strange python Thanks!
lost tree
now i only got 300 honor i guess its not worth then to farm brawl for bote 3
magic thorn
Yeah when simming rank3 Bote vs r3 lucid, lucid wins for me
hollow junco
bote3 unlock achievement is cumulative progress
edgy ginkgo
You Need both
cosmic prism
@edgy ginkgo sim droptimizer for all pieces, tells you the best slot to roll for
steep obsidian
Ergh I should grind out bote at some point but bgs suck so bad
hybrid laurel
same
hollow junco
raid essence at rank 3 outsims bote at rank 3 by just under 500 dps
raid essence should be coming up this week or the next for many people
sweet flame
@edgy ginkgo if you have 420 bis, prolly chest. most of the shoulders are garbage compared to 420 gorak
hollow junco
decide for yourself if grinding bote3 is worth it based on that
lost tree
how got so many people so much high benthic gear cant farm so many manapearls ._.
steep obsidian
Yeah I guess I’ll have r3 of that next week
edgy ginkgo
Ok, and headpiece from First boss myth right?
sweet flame
yeah
one from zaqul could be better depending on what chest you end up with, but the one off sivara is solid
I think ideally you want the zaqul helm, cephalo, goraks?
sweet flame
^
steep obsidian
You can send the tokens from alts to open if you buying tokens on your main to gamble you are kind if wasting em
hybrid laurel
what about the head from engineering?
steep obsidian
The eng head is very good
hollow junco
it's not awful but was not in the top 3 choices of my sims
sim for yourself to determine its value to you
austere scarab
wait so we don't want Undulating?
hollow junco
undulating is good, but sims overvalue it because they assume that you never drop below 50% health
steep obsidian
Sim doesn’t mean crap if it doesn’t drop eng helm not hard to get
sweet flame
yeah, undulating is kinda trash in practice imo
hollow junco
most bosses will proc the undulating tides shields very very often, which then prevents the dmg proc from happening
idle ember
Is it fathomable that rank 3 lucid is better than 3 blood if you're crit heavy. My rogue pal is grinding out rank 3 blood and it's waaaay behind lucid for me on the sim.
hollow junco
hosstile, yes
sweet flame
it depends on your gear/traits/etc
austere scarab
I did heroic last night and didn't read up on any of the fights and it still did ~3.5% of my damage, which is roughly concurrent with a single trait of DD for me. But my stats are fucking wonky, so who knows.
sweet flame
heroic fights don't one-shot you to 50%
sour wasp
is r3 lucid that impactful?
austere scarab
They do when you're playing ass garbage like I was. XD
sweet flame
like mythic radiance and ashvane will proc tides almost on CD unless you spam feint for every aoe
austere scarab
But it's a fair point.
sweet flame
which is a lot of extra energy to spend to make your trait relevant
hollow junco
just as an example, one of the easiest mythic bosses (radiance) will proc your shield every time the boss casts its aoe
sweet flame
for damage that is otherwise very survivable
austere scarab
Will more health fix it as we get the neck nodes / higher ilvl off pieces?
Or is it just a shit ton of damage?
hollow junco
a lot of mythic bosses by design bring you below the threshold regularly
sweet flame
by the time you've got enough gear for that to be the case you'll prolly have something better than a piece with tides anyways
hollow junco
sure more hp helps and will make it happen less often but it won't offset it enough, no
radiance aoe is like 220k or something
austere scarab
So the alternative is Cephalohide Jacket?
quasi pewter
cephalohide is bis
sweet flame
cephalohide and spymaster's
or vest of reverent adoration
but cephalo is the best
by a good margin
sour wasp
seeing as i do heroic and will do just heroic for a while, i believe undulating might still be worth it, right?
cant remember taking much damage from stuff
hollow junco
undulating isn't a bad trait, that's not the argument
quasi pewter
its not complete garbage
wise shore
I'm newer to melee dps so this may sound dumb. But I miss a lot of white/yellow damage in m+ is that normal?
hollow junco
undulating is a good trait, it's just that sims overvalue it
faint harness
pistoleer 445 from the gamble 
sweet flame
I've had a 430 tunic of the sycophant for a bit now, and I've just been swapping back to 420 mekkatorque on most fights
cause having tides proc feels really bad
austere scarab
Sorry if it seems like I'm asking basic bitch questions, I just resubbed after a break mid-BoD. Is TTK good now because our stat priority shifts after getting Lucid?
sweet flame
1x TTK has been good even in bod
hollow junco
so in most cases it is recommended that you determine if something is an upgrade by running sims. when you include undulating tides pieces in your sims the results need to be considered with a grain of salt. that is all we're saying.
quasi pewter
good for sub @faint harness 
ripe hinge
which rank 2 essence is bis right now?
ripe hinge
what about minor
hollow junco
lucid is basically the best minor in almost every circumstance
sour wasp
wolrdvein minor sims the best for me but its sketch af
sweet flame
iris or worldvein, if you're running lucid major
hollow junco
an argument can be made for the value of worldvein and it's not far off that's true, but it's definitely less consistent
austere scarab
Do you not feel like Lucid major overcaps a ton? I've used it in a lot of situations and it just feels wasteful.
sour wasp
i take it in dungeons its a hard pass
sweet flame
when are you using it?
hollow junco
lucid major has to be used at the right time
sour wasp
ill ask raiders what they run
austere scarab
I usually use it before the 2nd? TB, after opener.
hollow junco
which =/= during periods of already fast energy return like heroism or vendetta windows
sweet flame
if you have lust on that opener I'd wait
lost tree
how do you guys farm so much Mana pearls to get the items on higher ilvl ._.
sweet flame
alts
toxic burrow
Same, Push. :/ At least it's great in M+.
sour wasp
just as the pin says
sweet flame
yeah, if you don't have lust, use it after first TB falls off and you should be fine unless you get really good rng
austere scarab
I'm still rocking 1400 haste tho, and I felt like I never had energy problems in BoD. >_>;
ripe hinge
bote rank 2 good at all?
sour wasp
ok, so the next thing for me that isn't worldvein is crucible major+ lucid minor, how the hell do you use crucible?
stable yarrow
better than bote rank 1 😃
sweet flame
if you don't have r3 crucible, I wouldn't touch it
sweet flame
🤔
sweet flame
it sims better than lucid + iris?
sour wasp
yup
proven lance
I'm late to the party, what are the essences that are simming best?
sour wasp
the ones that sim the best
sweet flame
lucid/bote/cdl majors. lucid/iris/worldvein minors
stable yarrow
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proven lance
Man this crap keeps changing and I can't keep up lmao
sour wasp
atleast there's some diversity in style nowadays
proven lance
Right now I think I am using Lucid Major and Iris Minor
late dawn
so what azerite slot are we rolling for with residuum?
sweet flame
worldvein will be a bit inflated in sims if people you run with only have r1/r2
it depends on your existing azerite gear
sour wasp
get the piece that has your worst traits atm
sweet flame
if you have 420 bis stuff, probably chest.
late dawn
I dont have worst traits
Why chest? The queens court mythic drops a nice azerite piece
wary ice
sweet flame
are you going to be killing court mythic soon?
late dawn
Yes
sweet flame
then I'd save residuum for gorak's prolly
keen meteor
wait..so font break stealth in raid but not in world? just got this trinket
quasi pewter
chest is best value for residuum roll because it gives the highest chance of upgrade
also court chest is kind of a bait for progress
keen meteor
ahh I see. I'm using sub now.
sweet flame
oh yeah, the court chest sucks
sour wasp
@quasi pewter you mean there aren't many bad chests?
sweet flame
tides is trash
hybrid laurel
i just sim bote lvls, and if i dont have lvl 3 lucid and iris are still my best option
quasi pewter
just run a droptimizer and look
vapid needle
Running sub guide says to double garrote from stealth. Doesn’t that override the empowerment from vanish ?
late dawn
but at the same time shoulders in the raid are kinda garbo
quasi pewter
for me there was 5/6 upgrades for chest roll and 3 or 4/6 for shoulder
when i had bis 420's
sweet flame
yeah, but even 445 goraks aren't a huge upgrade over 420 goraks
quasi pewter
orgozoa shoulder is ok and so is radiance if you have people with loyal in ur raid
late dawn
"ok" is not what I go for
short jacinth
iessence
sour wasp
@vapid needle you do it in the sub window of 3 seconds
vapid needle
Thanks
sweet flame
if you're not rolling chests, save up the 200k for gorak's shoulders
glad horizon
so from my azerite i bought with residuum i got tier 2 either scent of blood or unstable catalyst, catalyst sims higher but i feel like i wont get the uptime raidbots sims for it since movement fucks it, any opinions?
strange python
Got Cephalohide today
Thinking of going for Goraks but not sure whether to gamble or buy its 4/6 chance to upgrade
Radiance drops a slightly inferior shoulder piece and that seem adequate for now
lucid bolt
im wearing fucking fairweather shoulderpads
opal urchin
pulled gorak tuls mint condition straight out of the chest today
lucid bolt
what are gorak utls azerite traits ?
sour wasp
somebody ban this guy
sweet flame
DD, blightborne, overwhelming
sour wasp
^ so delicious
lucid bolt
fuck i really need that
glad horizon
so opinions on unstable catalyst, is it worth running or does it just sim high cause it assumes 100% uptime
lost tree
Gorak's are awesome
sweet flame
it's okay, I ran catalyst on jaina prog, but it's something I'd want to replace asap
small thicket
Are the bis azerites listed anywhere for m+?
shy dust
It’s okay but yeah you’re not going to have uptime cause it procs randomly and movement fucks it over
signal summit
Go outlyl for m+ imo
glad horizon
do you think a 300 dps loss to take scent of blood was be better if uptime is shit
sweet flame
300 dps is <1%, so it's pretty irrelevant tbh
rich lily
quick question:
while using poisoned blade i ignore replenish my bleed dot or do i prio the dot over the burst ?
sweet flame
ideally you refresh your dot such that it doesn't fall off during toxic blade
sour wasp
yeah try to use any cp during toxic blade for envenoms
that means ensuring bleeds wont fall
rich lily
hardly new to assa and its kinda hard to get into the dmg 😄
but i like the challenge.
winter gale
Guys, how do I learn recipe for 445 leather engi googles?
glad horizon
make the 430 ones
winter gale
From crafting smaller ilvl ones or?
And 430 from 415?
Can I do that in a day if I spend alot of money?
😂
winter gale
And how much time for that?
magic thorn
Did engi today on my realm arround 100K
winter gale
I am 155 engi atm
magic thorn
For 0 to 175 and Goggles
magic thorn
Depends if you do mythic
winter gale
Iam not sure did I do the quest since I didnt pay attention
I will check it today and spend some time on it
sour wasp
is it worth farming purification protocol?
magic thorn
Not really
winter gale
I do mythic ...3/8
magic thorn
You should either have a quest for 15 items you can buy with pearls, After that the 20 Raid thing quest and After that the 200 Raid thingy
magic thorn
Then do 3 heroics or 1 mythic 1 heroic for the 445
winter gale
Great
magic thorn
Hero gives 10 per Boss and mythic 20
winter gale
Ty my friend. And googles themselves, are they good traits or just a quick 445 ? :)
magic thorn
They are good
winter gale
I will craft em tonight
magic thorn
Only Raid head better is zaqul
winter gale
I have a fucked up schedule,working 7 days per week and I am already behind on schedule so I need to catch up
strange python
7 days a week 
opal urchin
now is undulating tides unreliability worth 700 dps downgrade?
sweet flame
yes
opal urchin
your sources, where are they 
stable yarrow
wuts the other trait on the UT piece
opal urchin
scent of blood
stable yarrow
sim it with scent xD
strange python
OOF
sweet flame
basically take whatever dps tides gives you and halve it
strange python
5head
sweet flame
queen's court is the only fight it proc'd in heroic tho
but in mythic it's huge yikes
53% uptime on the debuff on m sivara too oof
vital haven
it so fucking annoying dudce
sour wasp
assuming you arent a pepega and running into stuff in heroic
vital haven
its like bwomsandi trait but worse
you dip to 50
which is fucking easy even in heroic
and boop trait doesnt exist anymore for 45s
coarse lichen
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tulip tide
are there any azerite slots that are specifically recommended to gamble on?
vital haven
use droptimizer on raidsbots @tulip tide
vital haven
really only one shoulder
sweet flame
eh, tentacle-laced isn't much behind gorak
sweet flame
yeah, 500 dps is like a bit over 1%? obviously gorak's is better
lusty burrow
Hia guys was wondering if anyone knows the name of the Opm hardmode azerite piece we get?
sweet flame
but it's not a difference you'll notice until you combine it with it other upgrades
tulip tide
is that solely based on the traits from the vendor, or is it also related to which pieces drop in the raid (specifically the earlier bosses)
strange python
Is there any reason to use Azshara trinket over Coral?
sweet flame
use both
vital haven
no ye but my point is that at some point you would wanna get goraktul
strange python
Doesn't it lock out the "Use" ability?
sweet flame
on coral for like 15 sec or so yeah
strange python
So when would you use Azsh trinket
sweet flame
prepull at like 6-7 seconds, and then like 6 seconds before vendetta comes up
sweet flame
no
vital haven
i said this yesterday but did they change the cooldown on font of power
sweet flame
you channel, restealth, and pot
vital haven
i swear it used to be a minute 30s
vital haven
am i just dumb
shy dust
Yes
vital haven
😦