@strange python thanks for your input👍
#assassination
young portal
solid nova
Socket?
winter moss
ye
winter moss
socket 
nimble tartan
im an outlaw main now
marble elm
spending pearls on your main on gear 
nimble tartan
i was desperate bro
solid nova
@nimble tartan Got all 4 pieces in under 500 AMA
strange python
i equipped boe gloves that were woth 100 dps but coulda sold for 600k u pist?
mighty elm
utlaw
nimble tartan
ive spent legit so much
faint harness
Not having your best benthics in 425 + socket by now 
nimble tartan
pepehands
dire spoke
nimble tartan
this is an outlaw tier see u there bro
marble elm
Imagine being a casual and not doing dailies on 9 characters a day
winter moss
@dire spoke 
faint harness
Or just get lucky 
sullen pagoda
casual people 🤢
neat shell
Imagine playing 9 characters a day
nimble tartan
all those benthics just to be a 3rd tank 
marble elm
I’ve had all my pieces for a week and a half
sullen pagoda
i only did the intro quest on 8 chars
exotic rose
Hey guys, when to use Azshara Font of Power?
winter moss
hey nev
exotic rose
And mid fight?
sullen pagoda
was enough for all bis socket benthic and some other effects with sockets in case good ones get nerfed 
exotic rose
Got it. Thank you so much.
winter moss
5 secs before your opener and on CD
exotic rose
Nice.
sullen pagoda
i really wish they do
winter moss
470 mythic gear 
sullen pagoda
or atleast balance it out a bit so mythic gear is actually upgrade over it
nimble tartan
they wont nerf it we have to live with it
nimble tartan
we have to accept it all..
strange python
i might give up and boost my pufferfish bracers that procced a socket
sullen pagoda
it splits on aoe @solid nova
strange python
they are .2% dps worse than the frost damage one for me
sullen pagoda
oh trust me pufferfish on ST is complete garbage
solid nova
Cant relate 
sullen pagoda
that fish either misses all the time or i was just unlucky with procs
but i had terrible results with it
marble elm
It’s delayed so if target is moving you are off
harsh gate
Why do most rogues use fury potion instead of focused resolve? (On singletarget)
sullen pagoda
while our warlocks frost wrists did 200k i think it was
sullen sphinx
Chances of them needing the benthic gear?
marble elm
50/50 it either happens or it doesn’t
sullen sphinx
Ah yes
drifting cloud
@harsh gate resolve got nerfed its trash now
harsh sphinx
you either crit or you don't
marble elm
Not wrong
marble elm
It got nerfed a while ago
placid dawn
how big of an impactis HoA level on dps? im 57 right now
sullen pagoda
im using a shit potion for nothing and i got 80 more left 
sullen pagoda
hey anyone in need of some resolve potions on twisting nether
winter moss
more dps :)
marble elm
It still sims as your potion on raidbots if you let simc decide but it’s not good
harsh gate
@drifting cloud think Simulation still uses it 🤔we use fury instead ?
winter moss
unbridled fury > resolve
sullen pagoda
unbridled is crit one or?
tropic ocean
unbridled is 1minute fire dmg proc
oblique jackal
whats the rotation for ST when using MA, w/o SS, and Lucid
strange python
dire spoke
lean thorn
!benthic
solid nova
lean thorn
I haven't even asked anything yet 
ionic arrow
how is the order of vendatta tb and vanish (MA)? vendetta-tb-(Mut)-Vanish or vendetta- vanish- tb?
ah pins lol
placid dawn
what do you mean
dire spoke
guide is not entirely up to date, with a number of DD/TTK some start to use mut over tb after vanish
idk why it's not being fixed, probably too little of an increase
ember rover
It's whether you have BotE or not.
vast forum
yea with bote
ember rover
With BotE in MA uptime you use Envenom, Mut, Envenom
dire spoke
that too
vast forum
you tb, build to 4-5 and vanish env mut env
placid dawn
yeah, makes sense. I hate pvp so I dont have bote
shadow zealot
anyone use iris and master assasin talent?
wuld think it would be good burst instead of a envenom after vanish
ember rover
Master Assassin does not increase crit chance of Iris.
shadow zealot
seems to work for me
sharp lily
MA only works on class abilities
vestal wren
essences are not affected by any class/spec damage amp, its easier to balance this way
ember rover
Versa is the one and only thing that affects essences, as far as I know.
hazy crater
and Disc priest Schism
mighty elm
How does one get rank 1 Gorgonzola after the change 🤔
What was changed in the sims? I sim 400 less
vast forum
btw, any1 know if Elaborate planning increases dmg of cyclotronic?
by the tooltip, it should, but i didn't bother checking
mighty elm
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rBF8N9M1dGD3wQY3oY7Qzj
Yday ^
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iWrkRwtWC4SQP9cx8huzSC
Today ^
Gear should be same , unless I’m blind on phone .
winter moss
where does the 1 ilvl diffrence come from
vast forum
on the very first look, you're 1 ilvl lower on the 2nd one 😛
winter moss
vast forum
it's the trinket for some reason
your punchcards aren't being counted in new sim
or something
night vale
vestal wren
@mighty elm ?
mighty elm
Nvm , no clue who tagged you
vestal wren
punchcard tooltips in sim are likely wrong as those come from 3rd party, if that was a question
mighty elm
Ah alright
dire spoke
Does the armory support essences now?
short pebble
yo why does twist the knife sim higher than nothing personal for me when herodamage shows that NP is way better :)?
dire spoke
Because herodamage is a default profile
short pebble
okay
dire spoke
So first TTK can be better than second NP or gets out-dps by ilvl
cold stream
Soooooo how long will it take for me to get 44k honor?
scarlet sequoia
6
mighty elm
2 and a half days it took me 😃
ember rover
That's with 50% more honor
As at the start of the patch, we had BG week, when you'd get 50% more honor.
mighty elm
Didn’t play on the event f that’s what you mean
mighty elm
Just no life, que as ally with 15% flag aswell
cold stream
Were you playing all day?
mighty elm
16-18h day I think
cold stream
nuts
Will we still be using blood of the enemy after unlocking r3 of the azshara ess?
scarlet sequoia
no
cold stream
hmmm, in that case I might just nope that grind
dire spoke
depends if either of them will get a nerf
scarlet sequoia
yeah we get it next week so its quite pointless
sly slate
I heard something about a pve bg thing coming up soon that might be a good way to get blood of the enemy rank 3. As someone who isn't a fan of pvp I hope this is true? Rerolling from lock to rogue soon once I catch up to around 430 ilvl and dreading the bg grind
lament abyss
i enjoy bgs so wasnt much of a grind to me
eternal acorn
bg so cool
lament abyss
at like 85k/100k honor for the next rank
sly slate
well i havent even got rank 1 yet, need to do that opening mission with the pvp island and stuff!
dire spoke
xd
ember rover
I would say that it's not worth it to do the BG grind right now for BotE.
You get Raid essence in 3 weeks, if you kill Radiance on Mythic.
And considering Radiance is piss easy..
dire spoke
hope they nerf guardian to the ground (:
sly slate
we have 26 people in squad and 7 are on holiday this week and next week so we're just doing heroic at the moment, trying to do azshara 😩
rotund mural
is it weird that subterfuge for single target is simming higher for me than ma? (have 2ss)
cobalt gyro
With SS? No, i mean that's expected
rotund mural
yeah but on MA i have 3dd 2np 1bi xD
which is like, the best?
i mean im happy if it's like this now, always enjoyed subterfuge playstyle more
sturdy dust
Some of the top rogues are running 3x TTK instead of Double Dose. Is this just due tot he raid gear available in EP?
rotund mural
off, i wish i had 3ttk, only have 1 for now
slim socket
APL with font of power and ashvane is correct?
Since it uses font of power before every vendetta and coral at 17s and then again around 4min when no more fonts can be used during the fight
it works almost like kimbul this way
crystal vault
for font of power not, its using it in fight like 20-30s into the fight, atleast for me
slim socket
u use nightly or weekly?
crystal vault
nightly
slim socket
can u pm me ur sim?
golden bobcat
so when exactly are you meant to use font when you have ashvane?
unreal perch
pre-pull and then off CD
stable oxide
5 sec befor the pull: Font > Normal opener with cooldowns > 20 seconds later activate Coral > 5 seconds befor your cooldowns are up use charge font again > Use cooldowns (Vendetta - Toxic blade - Vanish) > use Coral at the next Toxic blade
basically Font with Vendetta and Razor Coral with the upcoming toxicblade
dim sigil
Am I dumb or is benthic gear neither mentioned in the guide nor the pins?
nvm im dumb
@crystal vault for reacting the ♿ you have to answer my next question
https://gyazo.com/ec5193bcccaf0bfd786ae15110da9afb?token=57906b5eb09dc39dcbe40dca573e4931 Is that the belt mentioned in the pins?
lament abyss
dire spoke
crystal vault
^^
dim sigil
yes yes i saw that
lament abyss
so you saw its listed
crystal vault
in a perfect world you need both
dim sigil
but thats one of them ?
dim sigil
so thats good enough for an alt then. Thanks my man 
dire spoke
lol
cold rampart
how bad is it if i used toxic blade before vandetta in the opener
unreal perch
I mean, it's a waste of TB time
dire spoke
try a dungeonslice sim
atomic saddle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mwdXiiuwKN7zpHfHb7JujG
You guys think we can go higher than this? Should be pretty much BiS gear in my opinion.
glacial grotto
I sim for 35k at 424ilvl :/
faint harness
@atomic saddle yea another minor
scarlet sequoia
ofc we can sim higher than that
faint harness
you've also not taken any +5 ilvl on the azerites
scarlet sequoia
i sim for 42.7k and im 426
ppl are gonna have sockets etc
50k at least by the end of tier
atomic saddle
it shows there are no minor but there are, check overwhelming uptime below
misty tusk
When simming with worldvein, is that for 100% uptime standing still or is movement included e.g Radiance?
atomic saddle
also enchants are not shown and ilvl of weapons is displayed wrong
faint harness
i meant minor as in another essence minor that we get at 65
atomic saddle
o ok
scarlet sequoia
also sims are using font wrong or?
seems incredibly dumb to use it like it does in that sim
atomic saddle
can you post your sim raz?
would like to see how you sim for 42k+ with 424
thats insane
unreal perch
god I want that dagger
atomic saddle
well your gear is crazy
faint harness
With only 2 benthics 
vestal wren
sockets best 😛
faint harness
just get lucky 
vestal wren
wdym lucky, all skill
faint harness
100%
dire spoke
the system is fine if you're lucky
stuck knoll
@scarlet sequoia font should be fixed in the nightly
scarlet sequoia
awesome
vestal wren
to be fair, you can get some rly good gear without a lot of luck atm
faint harness
crafting helps
turbid ruin
Am I the only one finding the master assassin talent somewhat odd? I get the on demand burst it provides having lined up all combo points with cooldowns etc, but what gives that in general people seem to favour it over subterfuge with shrouded?
And yes I am talking in reference to single target
stable oxide
It gives very very high burst
faint harness
it nets you more dmg than the added dmg from subt + SS?
turbid ruin
I get that, it just feels odd to play around, like your opener doesn't double benefit like subt + SS but still does more damage overall
I just find it kinda odd
quartz rune
It feels odd to delay Vendetta with SS+Subt for 20 sec because you have to wait for Vanish
stable oxide
Personally I like SS+ Subt more aswell. MA simply does more damage
stable oxide
Unfortunate Palace is not so SS+ Subt Friendly as BoD was
modest mason
How bad is my azerite to start raiding with? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oefVEie2wtrEaHSCehiaC9
Seem to be simming like 10k behind some...
unreal perch
it's all preference, I don't like how SS + Subt feels
For what people think feels good*
tall narwhal
best what i can come up with in terms of traits is 2 x SS and 3 x TTK
can that setup work in m+ ?
stable oxide
BoD had alot of bosses where SS+Subt were really good
unreal perch
you're going to was some EB for M+
lament dove
that's fine
tribal shuttle
!Essence
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Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
atomic saddle
I'm hardstuck on a 1x SS 1x ttk chest, so I am missing a 3rd Double Dose and cant swap to from Subterfuge to MA. Would you rather wait for wednesday and gamble 1 mythic chest or use the Titan Residuum on Heroic chests and hope for good traits?
modest mason
I got a pretty high ilvl dagger on our first Sivara kill, so kinda wanna get into assa a little bit... Never really played it much, what is the bis traits? 3x DD + 3x NP?
lament dove
gambling for good mythic traits > gambling for good heroic traits
stuck knoll
Don’t waste your residuum on hc pieces
vast forum
any1 know if elaborate planning increases the damage of cyclotronic blast?
brave fable
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7cFSwQfzYPFWn1Zh2hfeMT Looking for advice on what I focus on to increase my dps potential? Do I farm AP, new traits, new gear in general, other stuff?
strange python
Best stats for assa rogue for raid
vast forum
no such thing as best stats
strange python
Cap of haste?
vast forum
nonexistent
modest tendon
so i've been accidently stacking a lot of mastery meaning I sim quite well with ss, im ok with this 😮 https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xh9ztHV2Z5tpyGcLRnZg8W
scarlet sequoia
undulating tides 
scarlet sequoia
maybe for arena but fuck arena
vast forum
btw since no1 answered, i went and tested, EP doesn't buff cyclotronic 
ember rover
I think we did answer?
Cyclotronic is affected by Versa and Crit.
And haste, I believe.
jaunty plinth
haste for sure
ember rover
But effects that increase damage, only increase damage to class abilities.
jaunty plinth
both the cast and the channel
vast forum
i guess that's where i can improve my dps, been using cyclo with EP
stable oxide
So on the Wowhead essences page it says that Lucid dreams major is better than BodE
Yet I see the most people using BodE major and lucid minor
vast forum
jaunty plinth
on 1 target i used cyclo on pull, with time for a garrote still during stealth
stable oxide
So in what situation/statweight or trinket use would Lucid dream Major be better than BodE major
Or was that not targeted to me :P?
ember rover
Lucid increases in value if your gear has very low amount of haste on it.
BotE is currently better if you have R3.
stable oxide
Why would you do Cyclo on pull?
ocean void
What about condensed life force, bloodmallet says its the best with lucid major
tall narwhal
does the achievement for BOTE count across the entire account ?
ember rover
Nobody has CLF R3 yet.
tall narwhal
or is it per char that i have to grind 50k honor ?
ember rover
CLF is indeed BiS, but you can't have CLF R3 this week.
scarlet sequoia
per character
ember rover
Next reset, people should be rolling in CLF R3.
tall narwhal
fuck me...
keen dome
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
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https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
vast forum
stop looking at bloodmallet and herodamage and sim your char
vast forum
as major or minor?
golden bobcat
major
vast forum
that's both good news and bad news
golden bobcat
was like 200 dps diff
vast forum
good news is that i don't have to care about changing my playstyle
bad news is that i'm not getting a dps boost next week
jaunty plinth
my other trinket is dice, so i don't have that problem. and with no garrote traits i don't have to spam them out on 1 target
full flame
These sims are getting nuts! I sim at 35k single target right now with rank 2 blood. Does rank 3 blood make that big of a difference that people jump 5kdps?!
bronze kelp
^^
sullen sphinx
😦
modest vector
!essences
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
vast forum
why would you twink like that when you can just unequip your cloak and wear high ilvl on everything else
go without cloak, r1 ilvl parses everywhere
normal knoll
coming up on 800 pearls spent, still no socket boots or wrists fml..... 🙃
vast forum
could have had full upgraded non-socket boots and wrists by now 🙃
thorn bronze
Why is vision of perfection bad
faint harness
you'll end up holding vendetta regardless
visions has been used by method/limit rogues on za'qul tho
so they have vendetta in each delirium phase
vast forum
imagine if vision reduced CD on both vanish and vendetta so they line up
and it was 25% so it also lines up with BotE
faint harness
bråken
vast forum
bote major visions minor would be pog then
rigid mango
Dmg>fun
daring parrot
hey guys, im kinda new with sims and all, but i will appreciatte your thoughts on my gear and stats/also suggestions or what can i do better is appreciatted :D
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sHMPTrxs1hU26Z8GjsJzuW
rigid mango
More benthic, more sockets, better trinkets, better azerite, better dagger
golden bobcat
ya i get that and thats why i dont use it lol
rigid mango
Your sim is good for that level, but a lot of upgrading to be had before high sims
modest tendon
does vendetta increasse the damage of focussing iris?
glacial grotto
I have 7 sockets benthic boots and I only sim 1k more than that
rigid mango
@modest tendon no, vend is whitelisted and only increases dmg of rogue abilitirs
tropic ocean
@modest tendon no
daring parrot
@rigid mango what is the ideal combination of traits for my setup /spec
rigid mango
Uhhh
modest tendon
ty
rigid mango
445 zaq helm + gorak tuls + cephalohide for azerite
Every benthic, socketed, a higher ilvl dagger and better trinks aka coral font
daring parrot
thank u so much 😃
vast forum
just kill mythic za'qul 4Head
sturdy dust
Easy peasy
modest tendon
is the ashvanes coral trinket as broken in m+ as I think it is? with the constant resets and extra single target damage, how likely will this be nerfed?
strange python
pls some paste me their focus tricks macro
cause mine just won't work
dno if it's a problem with the game or my macro at this point
always worked 100% of the time and i changed nothing
unkempt seal
your tank is probably running blue punchcard
unkempt seal
punch him
summer marten
with a card
unkempt seal
and spread the word to all other tanks they are simply not aware
faint harness
it can also be on your end if you equip the neural silencer card
glacial grotto
If you're running it it doesn't work eithet
unkempt seal
good to know ! Thank you
cobalt pelican
well do you have the blue card equipped or not
sturdy dust
Purification Protocol - is it viable in M+ at rank 3?
hollow junco
if you are asking "does the autokill proc chance make up for the difference in raw dmg value between this essence and essence of the focusing iris?"
the answer is yes if you are lucky, no if you're not, and you'll always look better on meters with essence of the focusing iris.
silent silo
So I'm looking at logs and instead of the normal gar mut rup opener I'm seeing people doing mut gar mut rup. Is this for big dd crits? Should I be doing this instead of the normal opener?
hollow stone
It should be m, m again (if first m is 2cp) or r, then m or r depending on what you used 2nd gcd in MA window, then g
fallow estuary
which item are you guys gonna gamble tomorrow?
hollow stone
Its not much of a diff. So you dont "need" to swap up from the so called "regular opener"
fallow estuary
Shoulders for blightborne?
hollow stone
But it is potentially better
faint harness
most likely shoulders for me
silent silo
I was just curious since I've been doing the normal opener forever. I'll give it a shot in raid tonight and see if there is much of a difference
hollow stone
The only time there's a diff is if you get lucky dd procs in the first m's, which is not likely since you dont have env buff running
The reason for the delayed garr is that opener E regen is whatever thanks to lucid
rustic delta
!essence
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formal willow
why do people keep recommending twist the knife for mythic+ when it sims so poorly on herodamage?
dusky tinsel
ttk is great for priority target damage, which is what assassination's main job is in M+, hero damage sims are for raids
rigid mango
If you wanna go full end of dungeon dps, you go 3 eb ss and pad like a madman
However, playing with a couple ttk means you also do good prio dmg, and you then focus on "value damage" aka doing damage to the right things, over just blasting pad dmg
strong sorrel
!essence
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quartz depot
why does font break stealth in raid, but not outside of it
slow finch
What is the best Red/Yellow/Blue stats we are looking for for Assa Raid?
Pocket-Sized Computation Device - Trinket
sturdy dust
Cyclo for red. Yellow all depends on your gear
Crit - Mastery / Crit - Haste / and Versa-Crit are all good options
marble elm
@quartz depot breaks stealth if you have master assassin doesn’t break stealth if you have subterfuge
slow finch
@sturdy dust ty vm
marble elm
That is it
distant moon
what are the best trinket combinations atm?
ember rover
Razorcoral + azshara(not asshvane)
mighty elm
adrian im pretty sure thats just 1 trinket
ember rover
Ye, BotE R3 devalues crit.
ember rover
:D:D
faint harness
first boss in the new raid drops a dagger
carmine herald
bis dagger
lone mirage
Td
scenic saffron
Is 3echo+2ss+1ttk still bis for dungeons ? Or is there a better combination ?
ember rover
Underrot drops really great leather pieces, and it's one of the easiest ever since nerf.
lone mirage
Yes but if i do only underrot with my luck, ill never get
sullen sphinx
What’s the most complex thing about sin
ember rover
Doing nothing. If you play DH / Fury Warrior / any other class that spams abilities, you get confused when you play Assa and see that you have to not do anything for 3-5 seconds at time.
faint harness
takes a while to get used to
rigid mango
Doing damage. 👀
faint harness
Looking at perfecto PoV he's basically half asleep
desert pelican
Loop rings from mechagon simmed right? 415 set of recursion + damage worth it, somebody using it on st?
faint harness
has anyone lucked out with it yet
ember rover
Guildie got 420 haste one.
But no first part 😄
I couldn't find info about the nature proc one, if you use " When attacking from behind + then do 5k nature proc dmg "
Does that have a CD?
desert pelican
Just dropped set, quickly use it on last boss and end up like 100~k damage, or something like it -_- expected as partially op, end up like bad thing ( idk, maybe its just feelycraft
Idk about icd rly
marble elm
Free damage is free damage
desert pelican
Crit like 10k, but icd or proc chance is too low
faint harness
100k on a dungeon boss?
desert pelican
Yeah
ember rover
That's a lot
faint harness
yea thats probably equal to benthic procs
marble elm
It’s just free damage which is always worth
Assuming your other rings aren’t significantly better
naive latch
Hi, new rogue here and I'm having issues to do damage on targets who dies quickly (Za'qul) what should I do??
royal lantern
they still have the same stats as normal rings
fallow estuary
Correct opener with BotE?
marble elm
Yea that’s the big thing if it isn’t gimped stats to account for the proc why would you not take it
fallow estuary
What would i change if it doesn't crit?
ember rover
You mut again
royal lantern
2cp rupture is bad
frank sentinel
Two muts into rupture
royal lantern
why i dont use that opener tbh^^, and just stick with the ''normal'' one
royal lantern
if he doesnt crit...?
dire spoke
just crit 
fallow estuary
@ember rover one last followup question : if i get 5cp with Mut-->garrote do i still toxicblade?
royal lantern
yes
fallow estuary
thanks :)
mighty elm
royal lantern
if you are at 5cp and tb is up, just use tb
marble elm
Nope
floral loom
ok
unreal notch
how do i sim which minor essence is best
solid nova
Top gear
upbeat hazel
How about the crit potion? Does it affect cyclotronic
i.e. should i use it within the potion widow
mighty elm
Why do u use crit potion
upbeat hazel
It sims more
mighty elm
Did u try with unbridled?
upbeat hazel
Yeah crit sims highest atm
upbeat hazel
My crit is pretty low im guessing thats why
But i still wonder should i use cyclotronic in it or nah
cobalt pelican
not really
marble elm
More benthic
faint harness
yea you lack benthic
cobalt pelican
the answer to all simdps questions is more holes and more pearls
sour wasp
gotta do more leyline wqs
outer vortex
So i just restarted playing again after a few month break - and i was checking the pins about benthic - but it seems like its saying either belt as long as it has socket?
scarlet drift
Hi guys, maybe a stupid question, but are anyone running master assassin instead of subterfuge? or is subterfuge that much better?
scarlet drift
Yea 😃 thank you
dusty basalt
Does anyone know if it's better to leave OFF a blue card in the Pocket-Sized blahblah? Blue cards are generally 404 ilvl does that lower the total ilvl if you have a 415 red and 415 yellow, for example?
Right now my trinket is 415 ilvl with the red and yellow, would hate to socket in a blue that is mostly worthless and for the item level to drop
cobalt pelican
blue card ilvl does not impact cyclotronic damage
nimble tartan
😍👌
dusty basalt
@cobalt pelican What about yellow card stats? My alt has a 440 ilvl yellow card and the stats are LESS than the card states because the total trinket ilvl is less than 440
hearty junco
So what pots are you guys using, i read somewhere today in this chat that a pot got nerfed. But its too long of a scroll to find out which one
cobalt pelican
i'm not sure i follow the question
you want the highest ilvl yellow you can get
blue is irrelevant
if you're asking whether socketing a blue card lowers the yellow card stats the answer is no
the blue should be seen as a throwaway slot that has no impact on anything outside of the util the blue card gives
outer vortex
He was asking if the blue card lowers the over ilvl on the trinket period - worried that his overall ilvl would go down for a useless effect
faint harness
@hearty junco the crit potion was nerfed like 2 weeks ago
raw girder
what is the preferred potion now for single target?
faint harness
I'm using unbridled fury at least
young portal
^
tall narwhal
Guys for MA build top traits are DD and TTK?
lost horizon
TTK isn't really top, strictly speaking NP is better
Loyal is also very strong with multiple people using it
You'll see TTK a lot because of pieces with overwhelming power as a tertiary trait
urban junco
^
lost horizon
That have TTK as the best option on a ring
scarlet drift
is Undulating Tides better than DD?
nimble tartan
triple ttk SQUAD
lost horizon
In a perfect world sim it out
But undulating drops in value when you hit 50% health
short widget
I’m running sub ins
lost horizon
Because when your shield procs, you can't proc the dmg (or shield) for 45sec
nimble tartan
undulating is so bad man
short widget
Instead of MA
lost horizon
So undulating is kind of a trap
nimble tartan
its a farm parse trait
short widget
But I’m also using 2 SS
scarlet drift
Thanks Squawk
lost horizon
Subterfuge is the play if you have to run SS
short widget
Yea
urban junco
Lol
lost horizon
He had like 70% uptime on the debuff from the shield proc
short widget
2 SS 2 TTK 1 DD 1 NP 
scarlet drift
lmao, well then I guess its time to change the undulating to DD 😃
lost horizon
If you never drop below 50% undulating is great, but yeah I wouldn't play it on any kind of prog if you're looking to get any damage out of it
tall narwhal
And MA is a build that you ruń in raids and ST scenarios ?
tropic ocean
undulating good for normal 😄
strange python
other than feast. what is the best food now. Ive been using crit
strange python
oh...i just saw that. Didnt realize you could do that
tall narwhal
Do some people run MA in m+?
tall narwhal
Ok :)
scarlet drift
so m+ is strictly subterfuge then?
vocal kelp
Yes
zenith gust
whats the macro vendetta->trinket or trinket->vendetta?
faint harness
@tall narwhal subterfuge is also assa
scarlet drift
think he is talking about MA
tall narwhal
Yes
What i meant to was, are there any m+ builds that would use MA instead of subterfurge
And by builds i mean azerote traits...
*to ask
restive inlet
On first boss, can you cloak Overflowing Venom and Overflowing frost (or whatever) to solo soak the mechanic?
mythic sivara
mighty elm
ye
crisp steppe
havent tried but you may be able to solo every signle one if u play the feint talent
neon sedge
So I got the physical belt and puffer on wrist
I guess I should upgrade that and not try for Frost or abb
winter willow
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neon sedge
Really? It’s only show .3 dps difference
upbeat geode
which potion should we be using? or is there a way to see with raidbots?
cobalt pelican
copy your simc paste into advanced sim and create copies with different potions
ie. add like
neon sedge
When I simmed the wrist were 1.6 better and puffer were 1.3
cobalt pelican
copy="agil"
potion="superior_battle_potion_of_agility"
copy="unbridled"
potion="potion_of_unbridled_fury"
copy="crit"
potion="potion_of_focused_resolve"
at the bottom
nimble tartan
Frost Wrist are guaranteed damage
Puffer boss needs to be in range
Bosses move
It’s not as good at all
neon sedge
K I’ll work on upgrading boots first and go from there
tiny granite
What essences combo are most people playing in m+
lone junco
big boi numbers,
near python
does raidbots know to use inkpod with coral + blood of the enemy ?
quiet abyss
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hollow junco
in the pins, you can find:
"But what Benthic gear should I get?"
Boots: Crit damage
Waist: 2% damage to aberrations / Physical damage
Wrist: Frost damage/Puffer
Roll for these with a socket see: https://www.wowhead.com/guides/benthic-gear-effects-nazjatar
open reef
hello - whats best potion for ST ?
placid dawn
fury
arctic venture
Tks
rotund pier
rancid bobcat
is purification protocol really being run in m+
i haven't seen it when browsing through raider.io
opal kayak
Need a tip if someone can help please. I have both the razor Coral Trincket and the Azshara Font Trinket. Can anyone suggest to me how to use them as in timings please
wise shore
does anyone thats watched methods queens court kill know how swag is bursting 110kdps and sustatining like 90k 30+ seconds in lol
turbid zealot
ripe nimbus
Purification protocol is decent
scenic nacelle
Man kingsbane pumped
carmine lynx
does anyone know if worldvein resonance minor works through the delirium realms on Za'Qul ?
turbid zealot
@wise shore all i would say is check the log of it
scenic nacelle
Method doesn’t even public log do they?
wise shore
no lol
short wasp
Been away for a couple weeks. Iris the go-to trait for M+ ?
cobalt pelican
the same thing applies to heroic so it's fairly easy to check
one would assume no, given people are hostile
oh i appear to have misread, woopsie
scarlet drift
Is Deadly nav MH, Force multiplier OH the way to go when it comes to weapon enchantments?
nimble tartan
Dude kingsbane was such a cool ability for rogue
Imagine kB right now...
so hot...
bote kb.....
cold rampart
whats better food 100 agility or 93 haste?
hollow junco
probably whichever secondary stat food sims best for you
have to sim to find out. my character's results will not match your character's results and so we can't give you a general correct answer.
shy dust
rich raft
i did, sim bether raid one rank 2 nad lucid drams rank 3 (Currently run it)
@shy dust oki
hollow junco
for most people, BOTE rank 1 as a major is not better than Lucid of any rank but it could be if your haste is really high or if other things we haven't thought of are true, you really do need to sim it
tepid flower
Is the dungeon slice sim’s APL for rogues reasonably accurate?
At least as far as making decisions? I don’t care about raw numbers.
vast forum
i wouldn't use it
tepid flower
Folks still sim patchwerk at like 4-5 then for multi target decisions?
lone junco
start with the general wisdom of azerites then you can probably use Slice for rings/stats.
That just means ss/ttk/eb. and stack crit.
nimble tartan
Feelcraft is bestcraft for m+
vast forum
dungeon slice will still value haste highly
lone junco
ive been team feels for years.
magic plover
any tips on how to play assa without Shrouded Suff? It seems soooo weird
lone junco
dont vanish gg?
vast forum
ehm, vanish for MA still 😄
lone junco
run the sim apl and read it.
vast forum
sim yourself and look at sample sequence
magic plover
raidbots shows rotation?
lone junco
yeah, You can read the sample sequence from the HTML output
wary ice
@lone junco wouldnt it make more sense to BotE before the TB?
arctic walrus
25% crit damage is more valuable than tb buff
lone junco
doesnt Bote ramp?
magic plover
whats BotE?
rare arrow
What's the fastest way to farm 34k honor 🙃
lone junco
zenith gust
@rigid mango bro, what essences is people running on m+?
lone junco
there you go. rather have the 5 sec overlap the vanish rounds.
lone junco
but I guess if you could squeeze the tb right after.
lone junco
I dont have it, so im just looking at logs.
ancient dragon
i TB before BoTE and im bursting 110k
lone junco
but Ive seen a lot of opener variations.\
ancient dragon
427ilvl
wary ice
is there an argument where getting the crit buff on TB is better than on a mutilate?
also thats disugsting
rigid mango
@zenith gust iris + lucid/proto or lucid + proto
ancient dragon
i do however think il change it to BoTE after TB. mutilate with 3 x double dose 100% crit is better than TB crit at 20k
rigid mango
Maybe blood + lucid/proto too
ancient dragon
mutilate 10k crit +18k crit of double dose taht is not including 25% extra crit dmg
deffo hits harder then TB, also not including the 30% buff off TB
red plaza
R3 proto major/lucid minor not good for m+?
wary ice
YEah i can see that
undone moon
Which essences are you currently using for raid?
ancient dragon
depends on the affixes, are you there as assas rogue for heavy boss dmg
wary ice
Im just haivng a hard time finding where to press iris
sick cradle
Anyway on wcl to check damage mitigated by feint?
ancient dragon
or strong cleave + good boss dmg
wary ice
I assume BotE for boss centric and iris for aoe?
ancient dragon
for very high keys this week iris for assass
blood of enemy for outlaw
always lucid dreams minor
wary ice
"this week" being the one that starts tomorrow or whats currently going on today?
fierce haven
I updated my simcraft and it completely flipped my stat weights is that normal
lone junco
@fierce haven why would you install simcraft, instead of just using raidbots?
and Nightly matters. Lots of changes going on.
wary ice
stat weights are also naturally very volatile
lone junco
currently anyway
strange python
doing top gear will serve you better for stats
cobalt pelican
if you can link both of the sims someone will be able to tell you why
fast scroll
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quasi halo
Is there a haste soft cap we want to aim for? I sim myself but it seems to value crit and master more than haste. So I sit at like 15% haste 25% crit and 40%mastery
ancient dragon
okay guys i have manually worked out the individual hit you will get using TB before BoTE whihc leads into 1 final crit of mutile + 3 x DD
vs TB after BoTE
twin kite
Hi guy,s do we pot agilty or Unbriled fury now?
placid dawn
fury
willow coral
Is focused Resolve still the prefered pot? I thought I saw something about some other one being the prefered
ancient dragon
the difference
51.8k mutilate vs 30.8k toxic blade
this includes vendetta (30% buff + toxic blade buff (30%) + BoTE rank 3 (25%)
brave fable
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rigid mango
@quasi halo no there isn't one
ancient dragon
yes you want me to tell you what to take off per DD you are missing>?
as TB will be better depending on how many DD u got
wary ice
I wont objet to the info but i have 3 dd so its pretty irrelevant to me
just appreciate the research tbh
grand matrix
how the fuck people get full best benthic gear with socket
rigid mango
Funnel from alts
quasi halo
Thanks @rigid mango
grand matrix
i just rolled more than 40 tokens i get no bracers with socket
ancient dragon
@wary ice per DD missing you lose 4.1k from mutilate
so i will reiterate for poeple in 1 coment as ive spread this shit out lmao
okay guys i have manually worked out the individual hit you will get using TB before BoTE which leads into 1 final crit of mutilate + 3 x DD trait vs TB after BoTE.
wops ment to shift enter
wary ice
oof
woven summit
Hey guys, what battle potions do you usually use for raiding now? the agi ones or the crit ones?
ancient dragon
so i will reiterate for poeple in 1 coment as ive spread this shit out lmao
okay guys i have manually worked out the individual hit you will get using TB before BoTE which leads into 1 final crit of mutilate + 3 x DD trait vs TB after BoTE.
the difference
51.8k mutilate @3 x DD trait (-4.2k - per double dose missing) vs 30.8k toxic blade
this includes vendetta (30% buff + toxic blade buff (30%) + BoTE rank 3 (25%)
that is 43% mastery
so yours will differ but the base rate always applies
its BiS ST
rigid mango
Until r3 life force, yeah
ancient dragon
even at rank 65 neck BoTE will still your go to atm
ancient dragon
for the 3rd minor
wary ice
@ancient dragon you said earlier the choice between Iris and Bote for m+ depends on the week, could you expand on that? I would've thought this week would have been a bote week
rigid mango
Worldvein is pretty insane
at r3
And if the situation lets you, I think it's the 2nd best minor
only lucid is better
ancient dragon
@wary ice it depends on your group comp. do you have strong aoe but lacking some ST damage BoTE for insane boss damage
is your comp moregot a balanced ST then iris
if your comp is heavy single target damage then iris, but in that situation you should be outlaw
rigid mango
If this makes sense:
If you dont have life force next week at r3, getting bote r3 doesn't matter because the diff you gain from having r3 bote over per say, r3 lucid + worldvein wont matter
wary ice
ok that makes sense
rigid mango
since odds are you're not raiding at a high enough level where it'll matter
What scenario @wary ice ?
ripe nimbus
I'd make an argument for running at least one purification protocol in ur group. The things I've annihilated have been POG
wary ice
Im just trying to make sure im targeting ym grind towards things that matter
for my m+ group specifically
i dont really raid past heroic, generally
ancient dragon
bull jump a channel if u want to discuss it
if you are in a reliable team its so much easier to work around it then pugging
rigid mango
Iris is just insane
ancient dragon
in pugs i have to look at the team and make my choice from there
rigid mango
If you can sync big pulls every 1.5 min and just destroy it, I don't see anythin better
ripe nimbus
Purification protocol actually does more overall damage if u include the AoE dot over the entire dungeon
ancient dragon
this week bosses got 16m hp
rigid mango
Yeah talking that.
It still does ok boss dmg
just run lucid minor w it
and you're gucci
wary ice
YEahI'm looking at the higher end of keys
ancient dragon
i do high end m+
wary ice
I ended s2 at 1835** and my groups trying to push to 2k this season
rigid mango
Even if bosses are hard, even during tyr keys trash makes up about 60%+ of the dungeon
wary ice
i wont call them "high" but timed 18+s is the dream
ancient dragon
wiping to a boss casue you cant kill it in time cause you lack ST will fat deplete your key
look at underrot 2nd boss
rigid mango
You overestimate the difference of the two.
Diff between high tyr and fort keys
of bosses
is smaller than you think
ancient dragon
zine if i may ask whats your highest key this week timed
ancient dragon
then currently this affix for today and tomorrow i am right
nimble tartan
😳
rigid mango
But if you want to gage how good I am on the basis of my score, sure
near python
monkaW
rigid mango
I'm eu, so same tmr
nimble tartan
I agree with zine I did a time 25
royal lantern
calling zine out for stuff 
ancient dragon
not calling out we dont know each other here jsut names we do not know each others skill level. its not callin out
its getting calrification
clarification
rigid mango
Like, I'm not sure if you're trying to measure e-peens or what
harsh sphinx
rigid mango
I've just been very active in here and talked to a lot of really good rogue players
ancient dragon
were all friendly here, we are all here to get better not to slag each other off
ripe nimbus
No one in here is a good rogue player tho... What u talking about
ancient dragon
to ge tan idea of what keys you are talking about
rigid mango
^
cobalt gyro
It's pretty rare you just die to a boss from lack of damage
ancient dragon
to get an idea*
rigid mango
I mean, you doing a hard key
cobalt gyro
Biggest example really is waycrest triad
ancient dragon
a casual player might ocnsider a gih key to them bein a +12
ancient dragon
where as we consider them 20+
rigid mango
when it comes down to the diff of the stuff you're talking
ancient dragon
just an example
royal lantern
for casual people a high key right now is a +10 allright
vital haven
GOOD ROGUE PLAYERS IN RAVENHOLDT OMEGALUL
royal lantern
people throw the word casual around, without really knowing wath it means lol
rigid mango
Yeah and you're talking as if tyr bosses are much higher than fort
Which at the higher end
isn't true 
ancient dragon
okay an average skilled player @royal lantern 😄
royal lantern
(and stuff is not really assassination realted now too guys, sorry too interupt you)
cobalt gyro
The biggest difference between the two is the HP difference, not really the damage
paper bison
You 2 should take your shirts off and kiss
rigid mango
I'm fine.
cerulean walrus
Alright alright guys get back on topic
wary ice
😬 so the take away from this is that iris is really strong, and BotE has a niche of strong ST if your group can handle a 2x Iris instead?
vital haven
sup
nimble tartan
dmd
near python
i once completed a +7 in time, pm if u need advice on how to play rogue, thank you
marble elm
If you pick omie he’s just going to barrage you with anti benthic propaganda
ancient dragon
pick flawless hes #1 in world atm for m+
faint harness
@nimble tartan did you kill trashvane tonight?
marble elm
He’s a deeper stratagem chad
faint harness
was looking through logs and i saw one particular german log with 3 assa rogues running azerite beam
arctic walrus
Omr can't talk about ashvane in this channel cuz he's 
for that fight
marble elm
Outlaw tier
faint harness
who was it that was running tripple beams on ashvane then 
nimble tartan
I’m outlaw bro
marble elm
Don’t need beam when u have blade flurry
faint harness
Outlaw spit
solar rose
im bad dont pick me
arctic walrus
No they're using you
nimble tartan
I’m carrying
marble hemlock
outlaw can carry pretty hard on bubbles too, saves a lot of raid-dps
nimble tartan
None iris
We hitting good hp checkpoints with me outlaw and everyone can focus st
Just gotta do the other shit
marble elm
u are actually outlaw?
marble elm
Thought it was a meme
nimble tartan
3 sin 1 outlaw is hot
faint harness
nimble tartan
I legit hard carry bubbles
faint harness
iris major does too
faint harness
the rank 1 rogue (got it today) is using iris major and pumping boss dps at the same time
nimble tartan
yeah we had rogues run iris and the st loss was basically nothing looking at logs
But this way is fine too
royal lantern
imagine having stable internet
nimble tartan
Even better for some to not run iris with inkpod trinket
So they can get bote value
faint harness
anyone here lusting ashvane on first vuln?
strange python
Guys which specs are you all using for 10-15 Keys atmo?
outlaw just seems roflstomp
nimble tartan
I just hit you offline tisu
lone junco
my favorite dps metric, is top slot for 35 -95%tile.
meaning, no matter how bad you are, you are still not that bad.
sin is top slot up op to like 40% then top melee all the way up to 95%
so, not bad. and relatively easy to play.
rigid mango
For m+?
arctic walrus
What benthic piece gives the most dmg per upgrade
rigid mango
I don't think so
cerulean walrus
Boots
arctic walrus
No tho
lone junco
that was raid.
rigid mango
I don't actually think so
It's literally just the best stats
on them
It'd be better on wirsts/hands I think
nimble tartan
it’s prob gloves or wrist
rigid mango
Since wrists do most dmg, i'd assume them?
nimble tartan
Since those scale up with ilvl
rigid mango
ye
nimble tartan
Boots don’t do shit
strange python
yeah for m+ ^^ @rigid mango
rigid mango
Yeah ik
cerulean walrus
Oh is it?
rigid mango
It is
cerulean walrus
I thought it slightly increased
rigid mango
always 3%
cerulean walrus
Hm